Very interesting evening watching this video and reading all 233 (so far) comments. My grandfather was born in Spanish Fork, Utah in 1869. He was a rock mason. He heard all the Spanish mining stories and would talk with the sheep herders who lived deep in the wilderness with their sheep during the summer months. One told my grandfather he saw a group of Spanish miners travelling a zig zag path to hide their travels from the Indians. These miners were killed by the Indians on their trip home, they stole their gold, tried to sell it to the whites. They were arrested and hung for killing the Spanish miners. Anyway, the sheep herders told my grandfather where they thought the mine might be located. Grandpa told my dad about it. My did was the youngest of eleven kids and became a chemist with a master's degree in geology. He frequently took me prospecting as a kid. He loved prospecting and he showed me an area in the Uinta Mountains near where the sheep herders told my grandfather that the mine might be located. Later that summer I hiked to every ravine in that area, sampling deep gravel and taking it home to pan it out. Plenty of black sand but no visible gold. I'm now 78 with no energy to repeat that trip, but I still think about it now and then. Thanks for posting this video, and, yes, I gave it a thumb's up and subscribed.
Richard, many thanks for sharing your story. I think those old sheep herders knew where many old sites were hidden. I have three grandpa's and all three were sheepherders in the Basin back in the day (I knew two, the other died when I was young). This isn't counting great uncles, great grandpas and etc. Most of them were also sheepherders/cowboys. They found really cool stuff, but never messed with it. Unfortunately, these secrets died with them. I find it fascinating that you had the privilege of knowing people connected with the "old way" and have lived to welcome in the "new way". Very cool stuff and its nice to meet you and welcome to the channel.
A lot of knowledgeable people are living in extended stay nursing homes alone with their families too busy to spend time. As an RN, I took care of a man who had been a cabinet member of the Carter administration who was close to passing away and he told me the” treasure is having good health and all the money in the world can’t buy that”
Interesting story. Think about this. The natives were aware of the mine locations. They would bring as much ore as they could carry out of Timp in one night. They gave a mine to Rhoades for the church. That was likely a drop in the bucket compared to what are in the mountains surrounding us. They were loaded with wealth. They even had refineries at the locations. Where do you think the gold from Aztec came from? Were there eye witnesses, or videos of them killing them? We already have accounts of pioneers dressing up as natives and doing this. How did they figure out it was natives? There was an operation to exterminate them all from the lands for others to take it. They were accused of stealing, and the result was many dead natives. Now they don't own the land. You all know who does though.
my favorite place in the world.. up around 10,000 and out in the wild.. them mountain grayling are tasty... my great grandparents were also from spanish fork area around the same time. great video. very interesting. and a solid theory.
I know where Howard's gabbro/diorite dike is - I saw it while hiking near timberline above White Rocks in summer of 2010. I found no native gold, but it did have a lot of beautiful red hematite in it, and traces of chalcopyrite. The gabbro is green, about 30 ft. wide and dips steeply south at my point of discovery. It was tested in years past by somebody, with a pit dug about 3 feet deep. This is where the hematite was richest. The hematite vein continued at least 100 ft. north of the pit. It is not likely the source for the Rhoades mine IMO. I only spent a couple hours at this part of the dike. It seems to continue indefinitely - it outcrops at various places, east-west with cross dikes traversing north-south(this is what I found). Problem with the Rhoades Legend is there is virtually no residual or alluvial placers to indicate that a rich gold vein may be present. My survey 13 years ago encompassed most of the southern drainages of that mountain range over a 2 month period. I came away disillusioned with the legend. Very, very sparse indications of gold mineralization....
Thank you for sharing your experience and insights and you have my respect for not only making the attempt, but doing so in a logical manner. I created this video to give those searching for this particular mine an edge and you have contributed to that. Here is my take on it: I flirted around (just a bit) with the idea of it being a Gossan type deposit. This was after discovering what appeared to be an outcropping of decomposing iron next to a section of the dike on Google Earth. Down off the mountain from this site my friend had showed me three old Spanish smelters he had found. The smelters are all next to each other and one has extreme glazing and we assumed from roasting sulfite ore. It would be nearly impossible for them to melt gold at above 11,000' elevation using their primitive smelters, so I thought perhaps this is where they were processing the ore. The more I thought about it, I dismissed the theory. It would have been extremely difficult for them to tunnel down to the enrichment zone, let alone the primary zone to get to the rich ore. The water leaching into a shaft that deep at those elevations would have been a nightmare. I keep finding myself leaning more towards the intrusion coming into contact with Carbonate rock. I believe a rich deposit of Skarn Rock was created that is rich in gold (Metamorphic Gold Skarn). The deposit is probably very shallow, but extremely rich. Gold is the primary and copper is the secondary. I have no theories as of yet to explain why the gold has not made its way down to secondary type deposits. It is a mystery, but I believe once it is found there will be a geological answer to this question that will make sense of it all. I do believe the mine is up there somewhere and this is coming from a guy who is very skeptical of most treasure stories. Thanks again Peter.
I’m just going to tell you from a guy here in the flat dead W. Texas area, you, Terry Carter, Dale Bascom, Rick (Tresure Exploration), sometimes Dan L. Lol jk, Mr. DL. You Men are the reasons why I’m retiring on the 1st of November and moving to Roosevelt on the 45 acres I bought last year. Im not fool enough to think Im going to move there and strike it rich with finding gold or a Cashe, that’s just icing on the icing for me, I see the real gold thru you all’s videos and stories! I just want to get lost in the Mountains! Yes, am very trained in search & rescue as I have been a K-9 Unit for 25 years. I have trained in Canada w/ RCMP SAR for the last 10 years 2 weeks a year. I’ve always knew in the back of my mind that I would hopefully and GOD willing, end up in the mountains somewhere, I guess that’s why I took up the opportunity to train in Repelling & Mountain Rescue Courses as part of my annual continual training requirements. I hope I can actually help someone in need one day with my training, where I am in Texas, I’m 2 hrs away from the Davis & Guadalupe Mountains and have been called out with my K-9 to assist many times but always we ended up finding people down low off the mountains. I just want to thank you for sharing your videos and educating me on so much that we never had to even worry about in Texas. Very very little gold here in rare form anyway, lots of looted gold supposedly. I may have even found a gold coin or 15. Im getting up there in age and my memory on that kinda stuff isn’t that keen anymore! 😂! Ill be 51, on Saturday, I was supposed to retire last year but was asked to work one more year to help transition a new K-9 Unit Commander. The fella didn’t need me to stay because he’s 100% better than I ever was, however, I was very flattered with the request and was more than happy to do it. I have officially handed him the reigns and am ready for my last Radio OD call! My K-9 Partner and I are ready to freeze our butts off! I couldn’t stand another Texas summer here! This 2023 Summer was the hottest on record EVER! No Sir, I am not the one to burn like that again! I may come back here and visit in December’s only. Lol. Anyway, I’ve rambled way more than should have, I hope to meet some of you Gentlemen in person one day. Just watch out, I may have to put a GPS device on your vehicle so I can find all these spots. Lol. No, I would never do that! If GOD wants me to visit a special place, he will guide me as he is my GPS. GOD Bless YOU for your amazing videos & stories. Very inspiring to an old flat lander like me! Ty, C
I want to thank you for your service to society and wish you the best of luck in this next chapter of your life! One of my friends works in Search and Rescue and you guys provide an invaluable service. I lived in Texas for a few years and can relate to wanting to escape the heat. I was in Corpus, loved every minute of it and lived very close the the beach. Beautiful area, great fishing, great people, but very hot and muggy. I think you are going to have a blast in the Basin. Outside of hunting season, I go days out exploring the more wild areas and never see a single person. Nobody gets out anymore like they used to. It's very rare to find people outside of designated campgrounds and hiking trails. I think you are going to create many wonderful memories and make some cool discoveries, or at least have fun trying. I wish you the best. Basinite.
Congratulations sir, good luck to you, and god bless. I agree with you just being in the mountain's is treasure enough, and you never know what you may find there either. In any event enjoy your retirement, sound's like you've earned it. Thank you...
The USGS is very determined to drive out all of the small miners. They're very happy to work with the huge mining corporations but they definitely want to stop ALL the small miners.
I've heard its become really difficult to file and maintain a claim, lot's of red tape and bureaucracy. I do know people are still finding stuff, but I think they are working their discoveries in secret. I honestly don't blame them.
Not certain you are correct blaming USGS, don’t get me wrong I have little love for them, but the Bureau of Land Management are more likely the culprits!
The blm is “buying” up or stealing a lot of old mines and blocking them off to the public. My theory is those are the ones that would produce very well. Just like oil they hold it for “reserves”. Example: my dad worked for the blm in the oilfield. He told me there’s a little area of Wyoming that could supply the USA with oil for over 100 years by itself. Can’t drill there tho.
In 1985 you could file claims in the wilderness area, I filed 23 claims, the very next year they raised the proof of claims so high you couldn't afford to keep any claims. We had to loose all our claims. This was a government scam to revile all the locations, as far as I know there are no existing claims left in the wilderness areas. All exploring is done in secret. The FS is a scam
Theory went out the window with Mormon diary called "Mountain Memories." Tom Rhoades lived 8 miles from the Josephine Mine. And his trips from there to the John Hayes mint is well documented.
I hate to burst your bubble, but there are several “Josephine mines”. Seeing how the Spanish named their mines after the female members of royalty, it was normal for there to be lots of different mines with the same name. It’s entirely possible that the rhoades mine was one of the Josephine mines… it’s also possible that it was another Spanish mine that went by a different name. You don’t know anymore than the person who wrote Mountain Memories.
@wolfpecker5710 hate burst your story but it's off a country mile, wolf. Mountain memories is a compilation of hundreds of pioneer diaries and church recorded reports spanning from middle 1800s to 1900s. No one person wrote it. Josephine de Martique was the French Empress when France conquered Spain. There were no choice of royalties, just her. Pay more attention next time when you read your history, or are your alledged facts from hearsay?
Igneous dikes are only one form of gold process. From extreme heat The most productive is metamorphic process where limestone dissolution cavities exist. The video misleads a novice to thinking that's the only thing going on in the Uintas supported by wannabe mineralogy students. Leading to ignorant people causing others to follow the big lie. The Josephine mine at Hoyt Peak is a perfect example of metamorphic gold formations.
I have many rocks from this area. I transported them down all the way to my house in Southern California. I have various rocks I have acquired, some being from the quarry north of Vernal, and some Dark Red Quartz Sandstone from around 7-8,000 feet. Absolutely defining black and red layers. I forget what they are called, but I have definitely seen the name before. Absolutely stunning rocks, I can say this from my own experience.
For your information the Rhoades mines are not lost. You can not locate the Rhoades mines following geology for the clues are covered and only surface in unlikely areas not visible , but on the other hand faults play a big part of the mystery
To listen to the earth quartz doesn't like gold however it will heat the gold up enough to make a vien. The view is where the gold is traveling out of the quartz deposit. It's due to valence the ionic charges present. There are many mines from the past that were being worked here in Utah . The.
True about the wilderness area, but there are numerous ways to approach this. I certainly know how I would approach it, but I'm more secretive about this sort of stuff.
When I used to fight forest fires I got to see dirt boiling and it is from the bedrock being shallow and the bedrock gets really hot to boiling the dirt some one stepped into a spot like that a there boot melted off of there foot.
Cheap chipeawa boots ! They are not stiched together so the glue melts off. Good pair of whites or redwings or any off the new companies procinto similar.. lots of 1st year folks make this common mistake. The boiling soil is a really neat phenomena. But it's not h20! It is all the organic matter carbon and other minerals residues /residuals gassing off from the super heated mostly white ash .
From one Basinite to another, hello. I'm from your neck of the woods and grew up near Lapoint (Whiterocks Road area). If you do figure out who I am, please don't publish my name on here.
I would think if there are dikes like that there might be gossan/ with supergene secondary maybe enriched cycles associated but not directly at the long contact zones. So not only the contact getting a bit of focus but other rich areas related but hard to get to and survey for. Very exciting chat vid for sure. I love these types of vids! Great job.
Wow! Talk about crazy. You just described a mine site I found awhile back. I am going to do a video on it in the near future (as long as the snow doesn't come first). This mine has Skarn AND a gossan of Limonite. I was able to find some of their High Grade Ore that got left behind. The Ore had visible Copper, Silver and Gold. Thank you for the compliment regarding the video, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
On your conversation I wanted to respond . I'm new in Utah and have discovered there are oil paintings showing the conquisidors mining here that are in Spain. Your answers may be documented in oil.
Im from Eastern Utah and my grandfather had gold claims by moon lake and urainium claims on cedar mountain. My dad douses for Gold veins with a ball bearing Dousing rod so yes one rod not two lol. A book was written on what he believes how it works. A Smart man he is.😊😊. Great video and a double 👍👍 for you.
DUUUUUDE TIME STAMP.. 8 minutes & 10/12 seconds in on rite side of screen the walking half.. I SPOTTED A MASSIVE FOSSIL OF AN OCEAN CREATURE THE GIANT SPIRAL SHELL THINGY FACT I SAW IT LOOK.. Great job btw
Thanks William. You are the second person who has pointed that out to me. I am researching something near the area where I filmed that particular spot. When I hike in there next year, I will swing by that spot and investigate it. Thanks again, would be awesome if it is a fossil!
I'm always checking videos out that reference my gg grandfather. So many times, the facts about him and my gg uncle have distorted facts. I appreciate that you have it correct. Yes his California Gold mining was placer gold. I agree with that he didn't do any serious hard rock mining in the Uintahs. The reports are that the gold was rotten with quartz. That may be an exaggeration and mostly coming from Caleb's stories.
Thank you very much for the comment. I try my best to only present facts, at least to the best of my knowledge, resources and understanding. When I think of all the bizarre and strange treasure stories I've heard over the years, I can't imagine what you guys have to deal with!!! Thank you again for commenting on the video. Hopefully someday someone finds that "Gold rotten with Quartz".
That is a very interesting description "gold rotten with quartz" I heard similar if not the same exact words from an old burro prospector name Seldom Seen Slim around a camp fire in Ballarat talking to some of his friends when I was maybe 7-10. I saw a sample of some ore later in life that my Nana had in her collection from my Grandfather (An Arizona Hard Rock Miner) it looked like some one had just cut it out of a ledge, it was stained quartz loaded with pieces of gold bigger than I have ever been lucky enough to find. And it was crumbly rotten. She had all his samples assayed and as the story goes this particular one came back higher than any previously recorded. To bad he only had a third grade education, trusted no one, and only identified his prospects with a name attached to a piece of ore with no locations.
That would be awesome! The only "gold" bars I have ever seen from the Uinta's turned out to be fake; a Mexican guy made some, a guy I knew from high school made some (not a friend) and some Indian guy made some. The Mexican and guy from High School got busted, the Indian guy got away and wasn't prosecuted. I would love to find an authentic gold bar. Very cool stuff.
My channel is tiny but one thing I learned early is treasure and relic hunter types like longer form videos and like talking just like you have been doing the last few videos. They are just excellent. It might serve you well to just record yourself talking about all the stuff your old videos have on them and repost them. I guarantee the views would quadruple or more. Not only because of people liking the talking format better but most importantly your really good. I found myself wanting to watch them because the visuals were so cool but I just had so many questions and I just keep hoping you chime in at some point lol. It would be real easy to do that and in essence you have a new video for rerelease! My guess is you would already be at 3k subscribers if all those were like your recent stuff. For me it took me awhile to get comfortable. I hope that came across as just a humble suggestion. Have a good weekend
Thank you and I love the suggestion. I really appreciate the comment and glad the newer style comes across better, thank you for the feedback. I like your channel also!!!
Cool, glad it came across well. I imagine you've explored a lot of the North Face. I've always wanted too, but haven't really made it to that side yet. I bet its pretty.
@@LowBudgetExploration If you ever need someone to explore with let me know. I would love to get out and do some exploring with somebody who knows the area better than I. Is it legal to metal detect in that area?
@@BWowed Thanks for the offer and will do. Regarding the question.......Very good question and I'm not really sure. It seems like every wilderness area, park, forest and etc, has different stipulations. One time I tried (repeatedly) to call the forest service office in Vernal to ask just out of curiosity, but they never answered the phone. Go figure. This is not legal advice, but I would say go for it. It might be one of those things where its better to ask forgiveness than permission. Most of my encounters with Law Enforcement like game wardens, park rangers and BLM, has been positive. They have usually been really cool and I have never had issues with them. If it was illegal, they would probably just tell you to pack it up, lecture you about the law and give you a warning. Just my opinion.
@@LowBudgetExploration I have gone into the BLM and NFS Offices and spoke to them. You get a lot more permissions when you ask questions than when you get caught, red handed. I found some interesting crystals, right on the utah wyoming border the other day, Just off the flaming gorge scenic byway. I have metal detectors four wheeler inside by side. Just need somebody that has a clue where to start looking. I put an add on craigslist for other prospectors and got replies from nothing but retards.
You left a comment, it was removed (not by me), luckily I read it before it got removed. Probably because you used the "R" word. I feel your pain. If I was you I would investigate the North Flank Fault of the Uinta's for minerals. It is close to your house and probably a great place to start. If you get on google earth look at the area just south of Lonetree and McKinnon. You will find a very long area that runs West to East between the crest of the Uinta's and those towns. This area looks like ripples in a sand bar on google earth (folds). This would be a great place for mineralization and prospecting.
Hmm that's why the MTN name changed interesting great to know the history is well hidden. Also the historic maps topology seen different than what the great grandparents historic topology maps. Love it.
What a great story, with an easy to understand description of the geology. I believe your theory of the contact zone is spot on. Hope to send you a picture of it when I find it. At least see you up there making memories with our families.
After Watching your very interesting and informative video and foaming at the mouth I looked of to the side of the UA-cam page and there it is. Another Story about the Rhodes Mine ( Algorithms i'm sure). Apparently according to the Gentleman telling the story of the Rhodes Mine that it has been found 🙄 Back in 1958 by his Grandfather Ben Bullock and Father, Bullock Mines and Oil Corporation. Whether there is any validity to the story I don't know but it sounded very convincing. The Guy telling the story was Dave Bullock this video is 3 yrs old.
Great question and thanks for the comment Peirpoint. I've seen the video your talking about and he is telling the truth. His dad and grandad created some commotion upon discovering that old mine and some of the big newspapers ran articles on it during that time. This is all confusing as sh*t, but I will try to clarify. Caleb Rhoades found a map taken from an Indian massacre site in an area called Chicken Creek in Utah. This map was taken from the dead Mexican Miners and showed three mines. These mines go by many names; "The Lost Rhoades Mines", "Pine Mine", "Lost Cabin Mine", "Bullock Mine", "Meacham Mine", "1856 Mine" . The video you saw is referring to one of these mines, some people call it "the Lost Rhoades Mine", other people call it "The Bullock Mine". The mine I talk about in this video is , for lack of better words, the "Big Kahuna". It is the original "Lost Rhoades Mine". This mine has not been discovered yet and people have been searching for it since the late 1800's. It is supposed to by extremely rich in gold, a freak of geology so to speak. I have found all the other Lost Rhoades Mines, including the one you mention "Bullock Mine". You can see two of them in a video I did called, "On Top of the World (Discovered Spanish Mines and Mountain Top Hike). I know where the third one is, I just haven't had a chance to check it out and film it. Hopefully next summer. Peace and thanks for the great question.
Years ago, when I was a teenager probably about 14, I was back packing up in the Uinta's with my family. I got separated from the group and found a tunnel going back into the side of a mountain back then I thought it was a cave. I took a piece of quartz home with me years later I realized it was full of gold. I crushed it and it had wire gold in it. Now I'm too out of shape to go back. I did find some float on the side of a hill in the same area that also contained gold, but I've never been back.
That's usually how it goes and people stumble onto old mines by pure chance. I bet 80% of the people who have told me about old mines/artifacts the have found were purely by accident. When I was younger I was helping my uncle and we were working at a guys house in Vernal, Utah. This guy had the back plate of Spanish Armor he found up in a cave in the Uinta's. He was archery hunting and was going to just leave it because he didn't want to bother carrying it around with him while hunting!!! Luckily he thought better of it and did keep the piece of armor and had it setting in a closet in his house.
Crazy that this video was just recommended out of the blue. I have a bit of a history with this mine. I grew up in SLC reading about the Lost Rhoades Mines and lost Spanish gold mines throughout the west. When I was in high school I would frequently make trips to the Uintahs looking for Spanish symbols in trees and cliff faces -- and I even found a few. I also found an old tree in Pole Creek Canyon with Thomas Rhoades' (Caleb Rhoades' grandson?) signature in it. It was located about a quarter mile upstream from the old Pole Creek Sink mine. When in college I studied Mining Engineering, and graduated from the UofU. While in college I was convinced that the Uintahs were barren of precious metals because the geology doesn't support it. The Uintahs are almost exclusively sedimentary rocks, devoid of granite, gneiss, or any other igneous rocks that support precious metal deposition. I had no idea about the dike you refer to in this video. That said, my curiosity is again piqued because the presence of an igneous dike is a game changer, proving that it is indeed possible that precious metals *could* have been deposited.
I know exactly how you feel. I have covered so much country in the Uinta's and found few mineralized areas. This has lead to people thinking, "well all the good stuff must be on Indian". What they don't realize is up until about the time I was still young, you could still freely travel around Indian Land. This is especially true during my dad and grandpas day. I have tracked down reports composed by the USGS and Bureau of Mines that were written for the Bureau of Indian Affairs to assist the Ute Tribe back in the 80's. For all their efforts (Geologists), all they were able to find in areas like Rock Creek were a few good deposits of Phosphate. I have found small amounts of gold in the Uinta's (so small I needed a loop to see it), but that is it. I think this dike is the best chance of finding any real gold in the Uintas.
Very interesting, great explanation of processes! Never trust your cell mates😂 really cool to learn about the history of the area. Gotta love those igneous dikes! Kind of suspicious about the surveys... Maybe they just didn't share that information to protect the area. Enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing 😎
Howdy fellow American, I am not a internet type guy with that said, I use to do quite a bit of drilling up there actually from Four Corners area all way up to Cody Wyoming area, spending quite a bit of time in Duchene- Vernal, Book-cliffs, Rangley , Anith. I reside in Aztec just down road from Farmington N. M. I really have to say I am seldom impress with anything on this damn contraption but I believe (know) you are my sort of American rather person not limiting categories, I find your presentation to be a damn fine job, intelligent, very insightful, very accurately put into context that is enjoyable and educational and I must say you got my sentiment side missing the Uinta basin, from Price to Dinosaur Flamming Gorge to Douglas Pass. You fellow American have earned my appreciation for your time and intelligence Thank You, and my subscription even on this damn contraption. Thanks I didn't catch your handle but I will by the way I am John but most my friends and all my family calls me "Johnnie" and I am real sure we would be friends had we opportunity to meet. I am sure the good Lord will keep Blessing You and all you Love.🙏🏼✌🏼 ROCK-ON🤞🏼 Rockies only place to be dividing this continent. I do miss Uinta Basin. Thanks Fellow American
Your logic is very sound gold is deposited in transition zones, the elements are not "created " they are deposited. I think the lost Rhodes mine is most likely Whiterocks area. There are most likley and from clues other mines as Rhodes claimed and Spanish records show a "real of mines"
Interesting video. I grew up in that area (most of my family still lives there) and I grew up hearing many stories about the mine. Always found it and the legends of Chief Walkara quite fascinating! My wife’s father owned and operated the U Bar dude ranch in the Uinta’s for many years before selling it in 1981. That’s what I miss the most is trips into the high Uinta’s! Thanks for the trip down memory lane!
I went as a 12 year old on a wilderness scout trip from u-bar ranch up to U-32 (Bowden Lake ) we got to horseback back in 18 miles or so. that was back in 1980 what a wonderful wilderness trip
Thank you for the detailed explanation on how gold and other minerals are formed and deposited. I love these mysteries and we have one here, Lasseter's Reef is in the mind of many a gold prospector although it was never truly confirmed. I hope somebody discovers your mine in time for you to appreciate it.
Nice, I'm an out of work Thrill Of The Chase treasure hunter. Might give this one a try, provided there are no Griz in those mountains. Had my fill of them in Montana. I'll mention this to the community. See if we can rattle some bushes and shake this one loose for you. g
At 17:50/51/52 there is an image on the right and on th flat rock formation looks to be a fossilized vertebrate colum with ribs... also the Uinta Mts is where fossil chinoids were found and named Uintacrinus
Kenneth, nice observation. You peaked my curiosity and I went back and checked the original footage. It is just erosion, bummer. I never knew about Uintacrinus, so I googled them. Those are awesome looking! Like alien squids, very cool. I will keep my eyes open for these fossils.
Great video, sure appreciated your indepth knowledge of this mine and the way you presented it, wished i were young again would love spending the summers up there looking for it, I still have my mule to ride as a way to get in the area, in short you lit a fire in me that was barely smouldering, now i can dream again..........thanks ,well done
Where ever the Spanish were, there are still faint traces of their old trails left visible to this day. They don't usually erode away completely. If the Spanish and later Mr. Rhodes where hauling ore or partially smelted gold, there should still be some traces of the old trails left. There are stories that the Spanish did smelt the gold at or near the mines. There should still be traces of the old smelters there too. Keep on looking. Someday someone will find something that says the stories are real.
That would be cool for someone to finally find it "for real". LOL. There are lots of trails in places like this, but they blend in with the numerous game trails. I have found old Spanish mining trails that have been rocked in and built up around switch backs and stuff like that. Smelters are to be found in the Uinta's and I have found a few. Kinda weird, but I have never found an Arrastra. I think erosion has covered over all the old Arrastra's up in the Uinta's. These mountains get a lot of rain and snow. Just my theory.
Caleb is my 5x great grandfather I 100% believe these mines are out there but I’m too young to go out and explore myself I think it would be awesome to head out there and try one day
Thats awesome Goosy! I am also a believer, perhaps you'll be the one to finally close the chapter on this legend. I hope so and wish you the best of luck. Be safe out there my young friend.
@goosy6183 Howdy Cousin. How do you trace back to Caleb? My Great grandfather was John Joseph Rhodes, half brother of Caleb and raised by Caleb after Thomas's death.
I grew up around where your at looking for the mine in the early 70's - 80's, part of the story is Thomas Rhodes was shown the mine by the Ute Tribe under conditions set fourth, A vast amount of the gold was already mined and smelted that was given to Brigham Young on behalf of the church, The Spanish miners were slaughtered for their cruelty towards the Ute Tribe and it was Buried Hidden, back when I used to run and gun, I covered lots of Trails in the Amethyst, Governor Dern, Pony lake Area, There are Spanish markings in the painter Basin. One hell of a hike I tell you, I don't know if I could still make it
I know what you mean and how you feel. I travel Colorado and Utah and have found numerous mines, many more than you see in my videos. There is a major difference between American and Spanish mines. The American mines will have larger entrances, due to legal jurisdiction. The Spanish mines have very small and easily concealed entrances. No legal protection and attempts to conceal the mines to keep other Europeans and American Explores from finding their mine. This mine is Spanish and the entrance is probably very well concealed. This is why nobody has ever found it. The entrance is probably only a few feet diameter and covered with a flat rock. This is just my opinion based on finding mines from both cultures.
They crushed the Ore in primitive mills called Arrastra's. They then used a process called amalgamation to collect the gold using Quicksilver (Mercury). After this they would smelt the gold in crude smelters. I have found a number of their old smelters in the mountains and possibly one old Arrastra. This practice was used by all ancient miners and not only the Spaniards. It dates back to around 1,000 AD. Hope this helps you out.
I am Steve Greene Alaska Miner Google. I finally walked away from it but love the old traditions. Today it is all about greed in the most part. Love your approach and attitude though.
Thank you sir. I enjoy the history and mystery of it all more than the treasure. You could say I enjoy the rainbow more than whats rumored to be found at the end of it.
Thank you very much for the feedback. Sometimes its hard to cram so much information into a video and keep it short at the same time. I'm glad it all came across well.
Yes they did. I read a lot of old books dealing with that time period and they were very cutthroat back then. Claim Jumping, High Grading, Dirty Assayers, Salting Mines and Placers, Stock Frauds, Mining "shareholders", the list goes on and on. I don't blame them for keeping their discoveries so secret. They would often tell a family member or a close friend/associate when they were facing death or to old to prospect anymore, but it's so hard to give directions to a mine. The people they would tell would not be able to relocate the mine. There are old mines I've personally been to when I was a kid, and now I can't find them again. Even though I know the exact area. It's crazy how hard it can be to find these old mines sometimes.
excellent video. Didn't think much about igneous intrusions, but I can see now through your video they are a very important aspect in finding and locating minerals in the higher country. Also metamorphic rock. 'where so much of the Uintah's contain this. Also Informative of the association of igneous dikes and limestone.' Thanks for the geologic lesson. Like you said in the end of the video. It would sure be nice to put some kind of directive at least to the geology of the Rhoades mine saga, its been such a big part of history in the Uintah's.
Hey Doug. Yes sir, I'm hoping this gives someone out there the edge they need, or at least a different perspective. I have found a different geological feature up in the Uinta's that the USGS doesn't know about. They will most definitely be interested in this particular feature and will have to update their maps as a result of it. I'm keeping it secret for now until I have the proof I need (certain rocks). My issue is I need to find an old mine shaft in the area, so I can see the rock formations. I've searched the area off and on, but have only been able to find two old Spanish mines (both collapsed, so worthless to me) and some diggings by American prospectors around the 1940's. The American's knew exactly what this formation was and they dug right were I would have dug. Right were they started digging I believe you will find the contact zone from a Sill. Their prospect hole is very mineralized (Iron and Pyrite). Underneath that deposit, I believe you will encounter Skarn. The problem is they gave up way to early and didn't go deep enough. I was going to head out there next week to spend a few days looking for a shaft that is not caved in (this is difficult, the area is very rocked in and hard to explore). Unfortunately, I have to work and probably won't make it until next year (this area is in the high Uinta's, but not in Wilderness). My interest is when I can prove my discovery, I want them to name the feature in honor of my Grandpa. The feature does not have a name on any of the maps, so I don't think the USGS will have an issue with this. When I have everything I need to prove this feature is what I believe it is, I will make a video so I have a digital record that is time stamped. This way the USGS can't exclude me from the discovery and wiggle out of our agreement to name it in honor of my Grandpa.
What ever happened to the Indian Tribe who knew about the location after chasing the Spaniards away ? Even though they gave the information to the Church, wouldn't they pass the story and location on to their own people ?
Thanks Henry and I really appreciate the feed back and comment. I would love to find the mine, but don't have the time to search. I have so much on my plate and have a hard time searching for the stuff I am currently pursuing. As I get older, I find more joy in finding old Indian Petroglyphs and dwellings anyway. I just wanted to share the information with other people who are actively searching for the mine. Hopefully this will help someone out and give them a different way of viewing the mine. Too many treasure stories have distorted/clouded this mine in the last 30 years or so. Thanks again bud.
Being that somany looked the area over and didn't find any other gold deposits. Brings me to conclude it was only a pocket, and probably the family got most of it.
LOL, yes sir I bet it does. Hanged out with a cool guy that day and had lots of fun! I regret not keeping that rock. I should have brought it home, cleaned it up and took a closer look at it. I don't know why I do stuff like that. Find promising rock samples and just chuck them. One of these days I'll learn. LOL.
Thank you! When I started this channel, I told myself I would only show stuff I could document in person out in the field. I appreciate the comment. A lot of work goes into this stuff.
Many thanks. I just got back last night from documenting an old mine site. I am going to post the video here in a few hours. It will be called, "The history and geology of an old mine site". You might enjoy it also.
@@smokeyandspikeproductions I just checked out and subscribed to your channel. You have some really cool stuff and a nice channel. I hope you do find it, please send me a pic if you do. :)
WE SEARCHED FOR IT AROUND TABIONA UTAH...WE THINK WE FOUND IT BUT NEVER EXCAVATED THE BACKFILL....MY FRIEND AND I WERE BUILDING THE HADES AND RHOADES WATER TUNNELS...BEEN A FEW YEARS
Jeff, funny you mention this. My mom, dad and myself were just talking about this a few days ago. You've probably noticed in my videos I don't do treasure stories. I think most are BS anyway (the ones you read about in the books at least). If I can't film it, I don't bring it up (usually). That being said, I do know many treasure stories passed down in my own family. Many of my family lived in Tabby and most were Sheep Herders back in the day. My Great Grandpa firmly believed he found the Lost Rhoades Mine near Tabby. He found it while herding sheep and it was very near Tabby. He was very excited and told the family. Him and his son (my grandpa) made plans to go up and investigate further the next year when the snow melted. He ended up getting sick that winter and his health rapidly declined. My Grandpa searched the area where his father had said it was located, but was unable to find it. Of course back then, they had large families with many mouths to feed, so his searching was limited. If you ever want to discuss further, just send me an email. I would love to hear your story and the two might be connected.
Man I love your mixology of history, legend, and geology. The icing on the cake was the Spanish, somehow the history of the Spanish, leading to the legends of old Spanish mines, documented by the records of what they pulled out across this country can not be discounted. Somehow the Spanish understood their geology to the point that they established mines in some of the most gold/silver rich areas with no previous history to guide them (except possibly local Indians) I think they had a very solid understanding of how and where minerals form. I hope someone finds your lost mine, but part of me hopes they only maybe tell you about it. It's never the individual miner that does the damage, it's all the pathetic humans that follow, shooting up, burning up, destroying all of that rich history. I grew up tramping through Death Valley ghost towns and mines from the age of five, it is heart breaking to re-visit these areas and see the total rape of what was there. In the 80's if you wanted to see the best collections of town/mine artifacts all you had to do is know someone in the park service they had the best stuff. Don't even get me started on the meth heads, some mines I used to visit I will no longer even enter as their misguided but effective hi-grading have removed most of the protections the old miners knew they had to leave. It's sad, we have lost so much.
John, I have a video coming up in the next few weeks (snow permitting) of an old mine site I found earlier this year. I am going to talk about the history and geology of the old mine site, I think you will enjoy it. What a shame about the meth heads, I can't stand those idiots. Destroying history like that to feed their addiction really pisses you off. I've heard they now are into trying to find old Indian sites and digging them up looking for artifacts to sell. What a shame. I agree about the Spaniards being excellent geologist and I also think they had the advantage of being first and getting all of the easy stuff. I'm sure most of the Indians were helpful in showing them ore deposits in exchange for small trinkets and such. Thanks for the comment.
I spent the winter of 77-78 in a small collection of miners cabins improved by hippies the abandoned after somebody ripped off their pot patch. My 1 room shack was a tin roof had an old hitching post in front of it+we got water by throwing a bucket down into a well and the rough rugged dirt road had two deep ruts from the wagons that ran up to an old gold rush town of Belleville in Holcomb Valley in the mountains from the desert below 1860s-70s. The place was destroyed by a couple of people after I bought my land 12ac+cabin not far below and the 40ac where the “Welcome Ranch’ once stood was rebuilt be a couple + their son+renamed “Luna Vista” at the base of that mountain and the widow+friend live there today off-the-grid in a cool comfortable house where they live. During the blizzards of Feb 78, I got snowed in+it took me 3 weeks to get my truck out! Life in the high Mojave❤
Rhoadesthe rhoads are my ancestors. My 5th great grandfather was captain henry Rhoades, thomas's uncle. Next to him buried is rachel boone rhoads. Who is daniel boones niece whom married into my family. Theyre buried right here in kentucky at browder cemetery. Captain henry rhoades home still stands to this day right by the graveyard.
Not in Utah but find your video very interesting. Merry Christmas 🎄🎅 Greetings from the Gold Hill mining district of southwestern Oregon. ⛏⚒⛏ Best wishes for the New🍹Year. Your presentation was excellent and the historical facts compelling. Take care and stay safe. new sub.
Contact metamorphism is quite common in hard rock gold mining! Most gold found in the Mojave Desert in Eastern California is commonly found in that environment, especially around Amboy.
Ive found old spanish silver mines and ive had a float rock assayed for good pgm bearing results. I also know the big coin shop 8n salt lake city is owned by a morman and he collects those morman gold coins. The XRF readings provide those coins are minted from cal8fornia gold and not uinta gold
Cool discoveries. If silver ever makes a comeback, lots of people are going to make some quick money. I know a guy in Colorado who has two silver mines in the forest behind his house that were dug by the old timers. In the back of each mine is a high grade silver vein about an inch thick (same vein structure). He gave me permission to film them, but also warned me about the rattlesnakes him and his brother often find in the mines. I am horrified of snakes and haven't worked up the courage yet. LOL. I've heard that before about the coins. Very interesting.
Very interesting video as I have read of this mine in several books. You did a great job with information and sources. I actually have 2 placer claims on Lynx Creek in AZ. I spend a good amount of time prospecting and camping, Utah is on my list so perhaps I will spend some time there. It is a beautiful state. Between Gold, fishing, and fossils I cannot imagine too many places that offer more. Best of luck.
Thank you and good luck with your claims. Hope you find some fatties!! I will be posting a vid tomorrow of an old prospectors cabin. You'll probably enjoy it.
I just want to thank you for your amazing and knowledgeable demeanor. I see no reason to doubt your hypothesis. Stuff dreams are made of. My family is LDS and my great-great great grandfather made hand carts for the pilgramage. What an honor it would be to locate the mine. Keep up the good work, I'm definitely subscribing.❤
Many thanks Brenton and appreciate the comment! Many in my family also came across using the handcarts. Those guys were tough!! Take care and thanks again.
@@LowBudgetExploration Yes, they were tough as nails. My great grandfather, Joseph Stewart Allen, made that journey in 1847. He was a bodyguard for Joseph Smith during the tribulation of the saints in Illinois and his son was commissioned by Brigham Young to start a church south of "Zion" (Salt Lake City), which he did in Manti, Idaho and helped to build the temple there. Thanks for your excellent and well researched geologic theory! There might be gold near the limestone contact with the dike, but Thomas Rhoade's gold came from a different deposit...It's fascinating history!
Thanks Susie, but honestly I have no interest in it. I just made the video to help out those who are searching. I'd probably come to ruin if I had that much gold in my life. LOL. The mountains, deserts and wild places are my treasure and I'm cool with that.
Hi Mark and thanks for the comment. I would love to explore New Zealand! I'm a huge Tolkien fan and loved the movies. Your country is absolutely beautiful!
For your information I wrote “ The True Treasures of the Mountains are the Mountians Themselves “ For Paul J Tabbee his headstone December 25th 2002 for his headstone, When you use this quote give it the respect it deserves, Thank you Randy W Lewis great grandson of FWC Hathenbruck (Rhoades Mines ) RWLmedia !-3-2024
Thanks Mark. That's how it was explained to me years ago and the analogy just always stuck with me. I have a video called, "Miners Lore", you might also enjoy.
@@LowBudgetExploration Thank you got the referral to your other video. Will check it out now. Your knowledge is broad and solid. You explain the geological terms well!
If you look carefully, trace the two fault lines that you see at Lodore Canyon, they show up just west of Kamas, where Thomas and Caleb were. The Ute knew the mine at the time of Walkara and later Happy Jack, but it has been lost since Happy and Thomas died.
I never have, but others have mentioned this as well. I'm not actively seeking the mine. I just wanted to share my theory to help out those who are. I imagine the only way it will be found is by using modern technology like you point out (Lidar) and other instruments coming onto the market.
Very interesting evening watching this video and reading all 233 (so far) comments. My grandfather was born in Spanish Fork, Utah in 1869. He was a rock mason. He heard all the Spanish mining stories and would talk with the sheep herders who lived deep in the wilderness with their sheep during the summer months. One told my grandfather he saw a group of Spanish miners travelling a zig zag path to hide their travels from the Indians. These miners were killed by the Indians on their trip home, they stole their gold, tried to sell it to the whites. They were arrested and hung for killing the Spanish miners. Anyway, the sheep herders told my grandfather where they thought the mine might be located. Grandpa told my dad about it. My did was the youngest of eleven kids and became a chemist with a master's degree in geology. He frequently took me prospecting as a kid. He loved prospecting and he showed me an area in the Uinta Mountains near where the sheep herders told my grandfather that the mine might be located. Later that summer I hiked to every ravine in that area, sampling deep gravel and taking it home to pan it out. Plenty of black sand but no visible gold. I'm now 78 with no energy to repeat that trip, but I still think about it now and then. Thanks for posting this video, and, yes, I gave it a thumb's up and subscribed.
Richard, many thanks for sharing your story. I think those old sheep herders knew where many old sites were hidden. I have three grandpa's and all three were sheepherders in the Basin back in the day (I knew two, the other died when I was young). This isn't counting great uncles, great grandpas and etc. Most of them were also sheepherders/cowboys. They found really cool stuff, but never messed with it. Unfortunately, these secrets died with them.
I find it fascinating that you had the privilege of knowing people connected with the "old way" and have lived to welcome in the "new way". Very cool stuff and its nice to meet you and welcome to the channel.
What an incredibly interesting story. Thank you for sharing.
A lot of knowledgeable people are living in extended stay nursing homes alone with their families too busy to spend time. As an RN, I took care of a man who had been a cabinet member of the Carter administration who was close to passing away and he told me the” treasure is having good health and all the money in the world can’t buy that”
Interesting story. Think about this. The natives were aware of the mine locations. They would bring as much ore as they could carry out of Timp in one night. They gave a mine to Rhoades for the church. That was likely a drop in the bucket compared to what are in the mountains surrounding us.
They were loaded with wealth. They even had refineries at the locations. Where do you think the gold from Aztec came from?
Were there eye witnesses, or videos of them killing them? We already have accounts of pioneers dressing up as natives and doing this. How did they figure out it was natives?
There was an operation to exterminate them all from the lands for others to take it. They were accused of stealing, and the result was many dead natives. Now they don't own the land. You all know who does though.
my favorite place in the world.. up around 10,000 and out in the wild.. them mountain grayling are tasty... my great grandparents were also from spanish fork area around the same time. great video. very interesting. and a solid theory.
Awesome. Glad you enjoyed it.
I know where Howard's gabbro/diorite dike is - I saw it while hiking near timberline above White Rocks in summer of 2010. I found no native gold, but it did have a lot of beautiful red hematite in it, and traces of chalcopyrite. The gabbro is green, about 30 ft. wide and dips steeply south at my point of discovery. It was tested in years past by somebody, with a pit dug about 3 feet deep. This is where the hematite was richest. The hematite vein continued at least 100 ft. north of the pit. It is not likely the source for the Rhoades mine IMO. I only spent a couple hours at this part of the dike. It seems to continue indefinitely - it outcrops at various places, east-west with cross dikes traversing north-south(this is what I found). Problem with the Rhoades Legend is there is virtually no residual or alluvial placers to indicate that a rich gold vein may be present. My survey 13 years ago encompassed most of the southern drainages of that mountain range over a 2 month period. I came away disillusioned with the legend. Very, very sparse indications of gold mineralization....
Thank you for sharing your experience and insights and you have my respect for not only making the attempt, but doing so in a logical manner. I created this video to give those searching for this particular mine an edge and you have contributed to that.
Here is my take on it:
I flirted around (just a bit) with the idea of it being a Gossan type deposit. This was after discovering what appeared to be an outcropping of decomposing iron next to a section of the dike on Google Earth. Down off the mountain from this site my friend had showed me three old Spanish smelters he had found.
The smelters are all next to each other and one has extreme glazing and we assumed from roasting sulfite ore. It would be nearly impossible for them to melt gold at above 11,000' elevation using their primitive smelters, so I thought perhaps this is where they were processing the ore.
The more I thought about it, I dismissed the theory. It would have been extremely difficult for them to tunnel down to the enrichment zone, let alone the primary zone to get to the rich ore. The water leaching into a shaft that deep at those elevations would have been a nightmare.
I keep finding myself leaning more towards the intrusion coming into contact with Carbonate rock. I believe a rich deposit of Skarn Rock was created that is rich in gold (Metamorphic Gold Skarn). The deposit is probably very shallow, but extremely rich. Gold is the primary and copper is the secondary.
I have no theories as of yet to explain why the gold has not made its way down to secondary type deposits. It is a mystery, but I believe once it is found there will be a geological answer to this question that will make sense of it all. I do believe the mine is up there somewhere and this is coming from a guy who is very skeptical of most treasure stories.
Thanks again Peter.
Some sort of Refractory Carlin type situation! Placer miners passed over Carlin nevada@@LowBudgetExploration
I’m just going to tell you from a guy here in the flat dead W. Texas area, you, Terry Carter, Dale Bascom, Rick (Tresure Exploration), sometimes Dan L. Lol jk, Mr. DL. You Men are the reasons why I’m retiring on the 1st of November and moving to Roosevelt on the 45 acres I bought last year. Im not fool enough to think Im going to move there and strike it rich with finding gold or a Cashe, that’s just icing on the icing for me, I see the real gold thru you all’s videos and stories! I just want to get lost in the Mountains! Yes, am very trained in search & rescue as I have been a K-9 Unit for 25 years. I have trained in Canada w/ RCMP SAR for the last 10 years 2 weeks a year. I’ve always knew in the back of my mind that I would hopefully and GOD willing, end up in the mountains somewhere, I guess that’s why I took up the opportunity to train in Repelling & Mountain Rescue Courses as part of my annual continual training requirements.
I hope I can actually help someone in need one day with my training, where I am in Texas, I’m 2 hrs away from the Davis & Guadalupe Mountains and have been called out with my K-9 to assist many times but always we ended up finding people down low off the mountains.
I just want to thank you for sharing your videos and educating me on so much that we never had to even worry about in Texas. Very very little gold here in rare form anyway, lots of looted gold supposedly. I may have even found a gold coin or 15. Im getting up there in age and my memory on that kinda stuff isn’t that keen anymore! 😂! Ill be 51, on Saturday, I was supposed to retire last year but was asked to work one more year to help transition a new K-9 Unit Commander.
The fella didn’t need me to stay because he’s 100% better than I ever was, however, I was very flattered with the request and was more than happy to do it. I have officially handed him the reigns and am ready for my last Radio OD call! My K-9 Partner and I are ready to freeze our butts off! I couldn’t stand another Texas summer here! This 2023 Summer was the hottest on record EVER! No Sir, I am not the one to burn like that again! I may come back here and visit in December’s only. Lol.
Anyway, I’ve rambled way more than should have, I hope to meet some of you Gentlemen in person one day. Just watch out, I may have to put a GPS device on your vehicle so I can find all these spots. Lol. No, I would never do that! If GOD wants me to visit a special place, he will guide me as he is my GPS.
GOD Bless YOU for your amazing videos & stories. Very inspiring to an old flat lander like me!
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I want to thank you for your service to society and wish you the best of luck in this next chapter of your life! One of my friends works in Search and Rescue and you guys provide an invaluable service. I lived in Texas for a few years and can relate to wanting to escape the heat. I was in Corpus, loved every minute of it and lived very close the the beach. Beautiful area, great fishing, great people, but very hot and muggy.
I think you are going to have a blast in the Basin. Outside of hunting season, I go days out exploring the more wild areas and never see a single person. Nobody gets out anymore like they used to. It's very rare to find people outside of designated campgrounds and hiking trails. I think you are going to create many wonderful memories and make some cool discoveries, or at least have fun trying.
I wish you the best.
Basinite.
Congratulations sir,
good luck to you, and god bless. I agree with you just being in the mountain's is treasure enough, and you never know what you may find there either. In any event enjoy your retirement, sound's like you've earned it.
Thank you...
The USGS is very determined to drive out all of the small miners. They're very happy to work with the huge mining corporations but they definitely want to stop ALL the small miners.
I've heard its become really difficult to file and maintain a claim, lot's of red tape and bureaucracy. I do know people are still finding stuff, but I think they are working their discoveries in secret. I honestly don't blame them.
Not certain you are correct blaming USGS, don’t get me wrong I have little love for them, but the Bureau of Land Management are more likely the culprits!
That’s for sure! Just file a claim on it!
The blm is “buying” up or stealing a lot of old mines and blocking them off to the public. My theory is those are the ones that would produce very well. Just like oil they hold it for “reserves”. Example: my dad worked for the blm in the oilfield. He told me there’s a little area of Wyoming that could supply the USA with oil for over 100 years by itself. Can’t drill there tho.
In 1985 you could file claims in the wilderness area, I filed 23 claims, the very next year they raised the proof of claims so high you couldn't afford to keep any claims. We had to loose all our claims. This was a government scam to revile all the locations,
as far as I know there are no existing claims left in the wilderness areas. All exploring is done in secret. The FS is a scam
Super interesting channel. Keep the videos coming. Awesome work!
Theory went out the window with Mormon diary called "Mountain Memories." Tom Rhoades lived 8 miles from the Josephine Mine. And his trips from there to the John Hayes mint is well documented.
Get one find that document
@@josh2916 read the book it's on google
I hate to burst your bubble, but there are several “Josephine mines”. Seeing how the Spanish named their mines after the female members of royalty, it was normal for there to be lots of different mines with the same name. It’s entirely possible that the rhoades mine was one of the Josephine mines… it’s also possible that it was another Spanish mine that went by a different name. You don’t know anymore than the person who wrote Mountain Memories.
@wolfpecker5710 hate burst your story but it's off a country mile, wolf. Mountain memories is a compilation of hundreds of pioneer diaries and church recorded reports spanning from middle 1800s to 1900s. No one person wrote it. Josephine de Martique was the French Empress when France conquered Spain. There were no choice of royalties, just her. Pay more attention next time when you read your history, or are your alledged facts from hearsay?
Igneous dikes are only one form of gold process. From extreme heat
The most productive is metamorphic process where limestone dissolution cavities exist. The video misleads a novice to thinking that's the only thing going on in the Uintas supported by wannabe mineralogy students. Leading to ignorant people causing others to follow the big lie. The Josephine mine at Hoyt Peak is a perfect example of metamorphic gold formations.
I have many rocks from this area. I transported them down all the way to my house in Southern California. I have various rocks I have acquired, some being from the quarry north of Vernal, and some Dark Red Quartz Sandstone from around 7-8,000 feet. Absolutely defining black and red layers. I forget what they are called, but I have definitely seen the name before. Absolutely stunning rocks, I can say this from my own experience.
Probably hematite in the sandstone. I have found similar rocks up there as you describe and they are beautiful.
For your information the Rhoades mines are not lost. You can not locate the Rhoades mines following geology for the clues are covered and only surface in unlikely areas not visible , but on the other hand faults play a big part of the mystery
To listen to the earth quartz doesn't like gold however it will heat the gold up enough to make a vien. The view is where the gold is traveling out of the quartz deposit. It's due to valence the ionic charges present. There are many mines from the past that were being worked here in Utah . The.
Not sure this plays out as you suggest. Once an area is declared wilderness there isn't an economic incentive to find the gold.
True about the wilderness area, but there are numerous ways to approach this. I certainly know how I would approach it, but I'm more secretive about this sort of stuff.
When I used to fight forest fires I got to see dirt boiling and it is from the bedrock being shallow and the bedrock gets really hot to boiling the dirt some one stepped into a spot like that a there boot melted off of there foot.
That's some crazy sh*t. Thank you for your service and protecting our mountains!!!
Cheap chipeawa boots ! They are not stiched together so the glue melts off. Good pair of whites or redwings or any off the new companies procinto similar.. lots of 1st year folks make this common mistake.
The boiling soil is a really neat phenomena. But it's not h20! It is all the organic matter carbon and other minerals residues /residuals gassing off from the super heated mostly white ash .
No mention of grizzlies.
LOL, not this time. Sorry.
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Who are you? LOL. I am a Basinite too from Lapoint? LOL
From one Basinite to another, hello. I'm from your neck of the woods and grew up near Lapoint (Whiterocks Road area). If you do figure out who I am, please don't publish my name on here.
I would think if there are dikes like that there might be gossan/ with supergene secondary maybe enriched cycles associated but not directly at the long contact zones. So not only the contact getting a bit of focus but other rich areas related but hard to get to and survey for. Very exciting chat vid for sure. I love these types of vids! Great job.
Wow! Talk about crazy. You just described a mine site I found awhile back. I am going to do a video on it in the near future (as long as the snow doesn't come first). This mine has Skarn AND a gossan of Limonite. I was able to find some of their High Grade Ore that got left behind. The Ore had visible Copper, Silver and Gold.
Thank you for the compliment regarding the video, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
On your conversation I wanted to respond . I'm new in Utah and have discovered there are oil paintings showing the conquisidors mining here that are in Spain. Your answers may be documented in oil.
Im from Eastern Utah and my grandfather had gold claims by moon lake and urainium claims on cedar mountain. My dad douses for Gold veins with a ball bearing Dousing rod so yes one rod not two lol. A book was written on what he believes how it works. A Smart man he is.😊😊. Great video and a double 👍👍 for you.
DUUUUUDE TIME STAMP.. 8 minutes & 10/12 seconds in on rite side of screen the walking half.. I SPOTTED A MASSIVE FOSSIL OF AN OCEAN CREATURE THE GIANT SPIRAL SHELL THINGY FACT I SAW IT LOOK..
Great job btw
Thanks William. You are the second person who has pointed that out to me. I am researching something near the area where I filmed that particular spot. When I hike in there next year, I will swing by that spot and investigate it. Thanks again, would be awesome if it is a fossil!
I wanna say it was a giant cephalopod
I'm always checking videos out that reference my gg grandfather. So many times, the facts about him and my gg uncle have distorted facts. I appreciate that you have it correct.
Yes his California Gold mining was placer gold. I agree with that he didn't do any serious hard rock mining in the Uintahs. The reports are that the gold was rotten with quartz. That may be an exaggeration and mostly coming from Caleb's stories.
Thank you very much for the comment. I try my best to only present facts, at least to the best of my knowledge, resources and understanding. When I think of all the bizarre and strange treasure stories I've heard over the years, I can't imagine what you guys have to deal with!!!
Thank you again for commenting on the video. Hopefully someday someone finds that "Gold rotten with Quartz".
That is a very interesting description "gold rotten with quartz" I heard similar if not the same exact words from an old burro prospector name Seldom Seen Slim around a camp fire in Ballarat talking to some of his friends when I was maybe 7-10. I saw a sample of some ore later in life that my Nana had in her collection from my Grandfather (An Arizona Hard Rock Miner) it looked like some one had just cut it out of a ledge, it was stained quartz loaded with pieces of gold bigger than I have ever been lucky enough to find. And it was crumbly rotten. She had all his samples assayed and as the story goes this particular one came back higher than any previously recorded. To bad he only had a third grade education, trusted no one, and only identified his prospects with a name attached to a piece of ore with no locations.
Seen a gold bar once found in that area from 1656. Hard to tell how long Spanish were mining that.
That would be awesome! The only "gold" bars I have ever seen from the Uinta's turned out to be fake; a Mexican guy made some, a guy I knew from high school made some (not a friend) and some Indian guy made some. The Mexican and guy from High School got busted, the Indian guy got away and wasn't prosecuted.
I would love to find an authentic gold bar. Very cool stuff.
My channel is tiny but one thing I learned early is treasure and relic hunter types like longer form videos and like talking just like you have been doing the last few videos. They are just excellent. It might serve you well to just record yourself talking about all the stuff your old videos have on them and repost them. I guarantee the views would quadruple or more. Not only because of people liking the talking format better but most importantly your really good. I found myself wanting to watch them because the visuals were so cool but I just had so many questions and I just keep hoping you chime in at some point lol. It would be real easy to do that and in essence you have a new video for rerelease! My guess is you would already be at 3k subscribers if all those were like your recent stuff. For me it took me awhile to get comfortable. I hope that came across as just a humble suggestion. Have a good weekend
Thank you and I love the suggestion. I really appreciate the comment and glad the newer style comes across better, thank you for the feedback. I like your channel also!!!
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Glad I stumble upon your channel. With such detail explanations, may your channel qiuckly grow. Love it.
Thanks desertchild, I enjoy doing it and glad you enjoyed the video.
I really enjoyed the continuity and comprehensiveness of your educational geology and history of this region. Well done and thank you!
Thank you Jenna. I'm really glad you enjoyed the video and many thanks for the awesome compliment.
First person to explain geology in a way that makes sense. Great video. I live in Rock Springs, WY. and explore the Uinta often.
Cool, glad it came across well. I imagine you've explored a lot of the North Face. I've always wanted too, but haven't really made it to that side yet. I bet its pretty.
@@LowBudgetExploration If you ever need someone to explore with let me know. I would love to get out and do some exploring with somebody who knows the area better than I. Is it legal to metal detect in that area?
@@BWowed Thanks for the offer and will do. Regarding the question.......Very good question and I'm not really sure. It seems like every wilderness area, park, forest and etc, has different stipulations. One time I tried (repeatedly) to call the forest service office in Vernal to ask just out of curiosity, but they never answered the phone. Go figure.
This is not legal advice, but I would say go for it. It might be one of those things where its better to ask forgiveness than permission. Most of my encounters with Law Enforcement like game wardens, park rangers and BLM, has been positive. They have usually been really cool and I have never had issues with them. If it was illegal, they would probably just tell you to pack it up, lecture you about the law and give you a warning.
Just my opinion.
@@LowBudgetExploration I have gone into the BLM and NFS Offices and spoke to them. You get a lot more permissions when you ask questions than when you get caught, red handed. I found some interesting crystals, right on the utah wyoming border the other day, Just off the flaming gorge scenic byway. I have metal detectors four wheeler inside by side. Just need somebody that has a clue where to start looking. I put an add on craigslist for other prospectors and got replies from nothing but retards.
You left a comment, it was removed (not by me), luckily I read it before it got removed. Probably because you used the "R" word. I feel your pain. If I was you I would investigate the North Flank Fault of the Uinta's for minerals. It is close to your house and probably a great place to start.
If you get on google earth look at the area just south of Lonetree and McKinnon. You will find a very long area that runs West to East between the crest of the Uinta's and those towns. This area looks like ripples in a sand bar on google earth (folds). This would be a great place for mineralization and prospecting.
Hmm that's why the MTN name changed interesting great to know the history is well hidden. Also the historic maps topology seen different than what the great grandparents historic topology maps. Love it.
What a great story, with an easy to understand description of the geology. I believe your theory of the contact zone is spot on. Hope to send you a picture of it when I find it. At least see you up there making memories with our families.
I hope you find it and I mean that sincerely. Best of luck!!
Great stuff again. Just adding this comment so maybe you can find some Jing in your mailbox. :-)
After Watching your very interesting and informative video and foaming at the mouth I looked of to the side of the UA-cam page and there it is. Another Story about the Rhodes Mine ( Algorithms i'm sure). Apparently according to the Gentleman telling the story of the Rhodes Mine that it has been found 🙄 Back in 1958 by his Grandfather Ben Bullock and Father, Bullock Mines and Oil Corporation. Whether there is any validity to the story I don't know but it sounded very convincing. The Guy telling the story was Dave Bullock this video is 3 yrs old.
Great question and thanks for the comment Peirpoint. I've seen the video your talking about and he is telling the truth. His dad and grandad created some commotion upon discovering that old mine and some of the big newspapers ran articles on it during that time. This is all confusing as sh*t, but I will try to clarify.
Caleb Rhoades found a map taken from an Indian massacre site in an area called Chicken Creek in Utah. This map was taken from the dead Mexican Miners and showed three mines. These mines go by many names; "The Lost Rhoades Mines", "Pine Mine", "Lost Cabin Mine", "Bullock Mine", "Meacham Mine", "1856 Mine" . The video you saw is referring to one of these mines, some people call it "the Lost Rhoades Mine", other people call it "The Bullock Mine".
The mine I talk about in this video is , for lack of better words, the "Big Kahuna". It is the original "Lost Rhoades Mine". This mine has not been discovered yet and people have been searching for it since the late 1800's. It is supposed to by extremely rich in gold, a freak of geology so to speak.
I have found all the other Lost Rhoades Mines, including the one you mention "Bullock Mine". You can see two of them in a video I did called, "On Top of the World (Discovered Spanish Mines and Mountain Top Hike). I know where the third one is, I just haven't had a chance to check it out and film it. Hopefully next summer.
Peace and thanks for the great question.
Thanks for the Explanation.@@LowBudgetExploration
Years ago, when I was a teenager probably about 14, I was back packing up in the Uinta's with my family. I got separated from the group and found a tunnel going back into the side of a mountain back then I thought it was a cave. I took a piece of quartz home with me years later I realized it was full of gold. I crushed it and it had wire gold in it. Now I'm too out of shape to go back. I did find some float on the side of a hill in the same area that also contained gold, but I've never been back.
That's usually how it goes and people stumble onto old mines by pure chance. I bet 80% of the people who have told me about old mines/artifacts the have found were purely by accident.
When I was younger I was helping my uncle and we were working at a guys house in Vernal, Utah. This guy had the back plate of Spanish Armor he found up in a cave in the Uinta's. He was archery hunting and was going to just leave it because he didn't want to bother carrying it around with him while hunting!!!
Luckily he thought better of it and did keep the piece of armor and had it setting in a closet in his house.
That’s pretty cool yeah I used to buy worms from some kid in Vernal. He had a sign up on the road I think it was $.50 a dozen back in the day.
Crazy that this video was just recommended out of the blue. I have a bit of a history with this mine.
I grew up in SLC reading about the Lost Rhoades Mines and lost Spanish gold mines throughout the west. When I was in high school I would frequently make trips to the Uintahs looking for Spanish symbols in trees and cliff faces -- and I even found a few. I also found an old tree in Pole Creek Canyon with Thomas Rhoades' (Caleb Rhoades' grandson?) signature in it. It was located about a quarter mile upstream from the old Pole Creek Sink mine. When in college I studied Mining Engineering, and graduated from the UofU. While in college I was convinced that the Uintahs were barren of precious metals because the geology doesn't support it. The Uintahs are almost exclusively sedimentary rocks, devoid of granite, gneiss, or any other igneous rocks that support precious metal deposition. I had no idea about the dike you refer to in this video. That said, my curiosity is again piqued because the presence of an igneous dike is a game changer, proving that it is indeed possible that precious metals *could* have been deposited.
I know exactly how you feel. I have covered so much country in the Uinta's and found few mineralized areas. This has lead to people thinking, "well all the good stuff must be on Indian". What they don't realize is up until about the time I was still young, you could still freely travel around Indian Land. This is especially true during my dad and grandpas day.
I have tracked down reports composed by the USGS and Bureau of Mines that were written for the Bureau of Indian Affairs to assist the Ute Tribe back in the 80's.
For all their efforts (Geologists), all they were able to find in areas like Rock Creek were a few good deposits of Phosphate. I have found small amounts of gold in the Uinta's (so small I needed a loop to see it), but that is it. I think this dike is the best chance of finding any real gold in the Uintas.
You two should team up! Great stories, go find it...@@LowBudgetExploration
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Thomas Rhoades was Caleb's father.
Very interesting, great explanation of processes! Never trust your cell mates😂 really cool to learn about the history of the area. Gotta love those igneous dikes! Kind of suspicious about the surveys... Maybe they just didn't share that information to protect the area. Enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing 😎
I think there might be a lot of truth in that. I've had the same suspicions myself.
Josh hawley (R) missouri is a standing up for the people of missouri and I'm damn proud to have him
Howdy fellow American, I am not a internet type guy with that said, I use to do quite a bit of drilling up there actually from Four Corners area all way up to Cody Wyoming area, spending quite a bit of time in Duchene- Vernal, Book-cliffs, Rangley , Anith. I reside in Aztec just down road from Farmington N. M. I really have to say I am seldom impress with anything on this damn contraption but I believe (know) you are my sort of American rather person not limiting categories, I find your presentation to be a damn fine job, intelligent, very insightful, very accurately put into context that is enjoyable and educational and I must say you got my sentiment side missing the Uinta basin, from Price to Dinosaur Flamming Gorge to Douglas Pass. You fellow American have earned my appreciation for your time and intelligence Thank You, and my subscription even on this damn contraption. Thanks I didn't catch your handle but I will by the way I am John but most my friends and all my family calls me "Johnnie" and I am real sure we would be friends had we opportunity to meet. I am sure the good Lord will keep Blessing You and all you Love.🙏🏼✌🏼 ROCK-ON🤞🏼 Rockies only place to be dividing this continent. I do miss Uinta Basin. Thanks Fellow American
Many thanks John. Appreciate the comment and glad you enjoyed the video. I hope you make it make to the Basin again. Safe travels brother.
Your logic is very sound gold is deposited in transition zones, the elements are not "created " they are deposited. I think the lost Rhodes mine is most likely Whiterocks area. There are most likley and from clues other mines as Rhodes claimed and Spanish records show a "real of mines"
Thanks fittekowner. Whiterocks has some good mineralization and we each have our theories. In the end, it keeps things interesting.
How is it that Spanish exploreres 300 years ago found gold and had a successful mine, yet mondern prospectors can't find it! That baffles me!
As it should!😂😳🤫 The history we are told may or may not be…a story.
WE FOLLOWED ALL THE CLUES IN THE BOOK...STILL GOT THE BOOK I BELIEVE AND IT IS OLD..
great story. looks like a good place to get eaten by a bear.
There should be a movie on the story of the mine. Thanks for the video I love the uintahs it screams for me to b up there. It’s my heaven on earth
That would be very cool and make a great Western.
Interesting video. I grew up in that area (most of my family still lives there) and I grew up hearing many stories about the mine. Always found it and the legends of Chief Walkara quite fascinating! My wife’s father owned and operated the U Bar dude ranch in the Uinta’s for many years before selling it in 1981. That’s what I miss the most is trips into the high Uinta’s! Thanks for the trip down memory lane!
I went as a 12 year old on a wilderness scout trip from u-bar ranch up to U-32 (Bowden Lake ) we got to horseback back in 18 miles or so. that was back in 1980 what a wonderful wilderness trip
LOVE TO CHAT SOMETIME...LOTS OF MEMORIES IN UTAH
Thank you for the detailed explanation on how gold and other minerals are formed and deposited. I love these mysteries and we have one here, Lasseter's Reef is in the mind of many a gold prospector although it was never truly confirmed. I hope somebody discovers your mine in time for you to appreciate it.
Nice, I'm an out of work Thrill Of The Chase treasure hunter. Might give this one a try, provided there are no Griz in those mountains. Had my fill of them in Montana. I'll mention this to the community. See if we can rattle some bushes and shake this one loose for you. g
LOL, no Griz, just black bears and some beautiful country. Keep me posted and good luck!
At 17:50/51/52 there is an image on the right and on th flat rock formation looks to be a fossilized vertebrate colum with ribs... also the Uinta Mts is where fossil chinoids were found and named Uintacrinus
Kenneth, nice observation. You peaked my curiosity and I went back and checked the original footage. It is just erosion, bummer.
I never knew about Uintacrinus, so I googled them. Those are awesome looking! Like alien squids, very cool. I will keep my eyes open for these fossils.
I’m very familiar with some of the areas you talk about in your videos. I’ve spent allot of time in the very places you’re standing when filming
From one "basinite" to another. Thanks.
Great video, sure appreciated your indepth knowledge of this mine and the way you presented it, wished i were young again would love spending the summers up there looking for it, I still have my mule to ride as a way to get in the area, in short you lit a fire in me that was barely smouldering, now i can dream again..........thanks ,well done
That is awesome! I truly appreciate your comment. Many thanks.
Where ever the Spanish were, there are still faint traces of their old trails left visible to this day. They don't usually erode away completely. If the Spanish and later Mr. Rhodes where hauling ore or partially smelted gold, there should still be some traces of the old trails left. There are stories that the Spanish did smelt the gold at or near the mines. There should still be traces of the old smelters there too. Keep on looking. Someday someone will find something that says the stories are real.
That would be cool for someone to finally find it "for real". LOL. There are lots of trails in places like this, but they blend in with the numerous game trails. I have found old Spanish mining trails that have been rocked in and built up around switch backs and stuff like that.
Smelters are to be found in the Uinta's and I have found a few. Kinda weird, but I have never found an Arrastra. I think erosion has covered over all the old Arrastra's up in the Uinta's. These mountains get a lot of rain and snow. Just my theory.
Caleb is my 5x great grandfather I 100% believe these mines are out there but I’m too young to go out and explore myself I think it would be awesome to head out there and try one day
Thats awesome Goosy! I am also a believer, perhaps you'll be the one to finally close the chapter on this legend. I hope so and wish you the best of luck. Be safe out there my young friend.
@@LowBudgetExploration thank you, you as well
@goosy6183 Howdy Cousin. How do you trace back to Caleb? My Great grandfather was John Joseph Rhodes, half brother of Caleb and raised by Caleb after Thomas's death.
Another awseome video. Sending a big Thank you from Southern New England. 👋😎
You are very welcome my friend!
Blue and purple quartz with white quartz, and black sand are indicators of gold being present. Gold floats in the molten iron veins .
I grew up around where your at looking for the mine in the early 70's - 80's, part of the story is Thomas Rhodes was shown the mine by the Ute Tribe under conditions set fourth, A vast amount of the gold was already mined and smelted that was given to Brigham Young on behalf of the church, The Spanish miners were slaughtered for their cruelty towards the Ute Tribe and it was Buried Hidden, back when I used to run and gun, I covered lots of Trails in the Amethyst, Governor Dern, Pony lake Area, There are Spanish markings in the painter Basin. One hell of a hike I tell you, I don't know if I could still make it
So, in other words, nobody ever found this mine? Usually that means it was never there.
I know what you mean and how you feel. I travel Colorado and Utah and have found numerous mines, many more than you see in my videos. There is a major difference between American and Spanish mines.
The American mines will have larger entrances, due to legal jurisdiction. The Spanish mines have very small and easily concealed entrances. No legal protection and attempts to conceal the mines to keep other Europeans and American Explores from finding their mine.
This mine is Spanish and the entrance is probably very well concealed. This is why nobody has ever found it. The entrance is probably only a few feet diameter and covered with a flat rock. This is just my opinion based on finding mines from both cultures.
how did the Spaniards process lode ore?
They crushed the Ore in primitive mills called Arrastra's. They then used a process called amalgamation to collect the gold using Quicksilver (Mercury).
After this they would smelt the gold in crude smelters. I have found a number of their old smelters in the mountains and possibly one old Arrastra.
This practice was used by all ancient miners and not only the Spaniards. It dates back to around 1,000 AD.
Hope this helps you out.
I am Steve Greene Alaska Miner Google. I finally walked away from it but love the old traditions. Today it is all about greed in the most part. Love your approach and attitude though.
Thank you sir. I enjoy the history and mystery of it all more than the treasure. You could say I enjoy the rainbow more than whats rumored to be found at the end of it.
Great video. Very instructive on the basic geology and a great legend.
Thank you very much for the feedback. Sometimes its hard to cram so much information into a video and keep it short at the same time. I'm glad it all came across well.
They always take the location of the gold mine to the grave.
Yes they did. I read a lot of old books dealing with that time period and they were very cutthroat back then. Claim Jumping, High Grading, Dirty Assayers, Salting Mines and Placers, Stock Frauds, Mining "shareholders", the list goes on and on.
I don't blame them for keeping their discoveries so secret. They would often tell a family member or a close friend/associate when they were facing death or to old to prospect anymore, but it's so hard to give directions to a mine.
The people they would tell would not be able to relocate the mine. There are old mines I've personally been to when I was a kid, and now I can't find them again. Even though I know the exact area. It's crazy how hard it can be to find these old mines sometimes.
Why don’t you find it yourself while you have super knowledge about all those rocks and geology ?
In the late 1800s, someone found a huge amount of quartz in the eastern part of Tennessee. They mined it but it still had small amounts of gold in it.
Outstanding presentation! Also it greatly amazes me at just how good the spanish were at finding gold! True masters at that skill.
excellent video. Didn't think much about igneous intrusions, but I can see now through your video they are a very important aspect in finding and locating minerals in the higher country. Also metamorphic rock. 'where so much of the Uintah's contain this. Also Informative of the association of igneous dikes and limestone.' Thanks for the geologic lesson. Like you said in the end of the video. It would sure be nice to put some kind of directive at least to the geology of the Rhoades mine saga, its been such a big part of history in the Uintah's.
Hey Doug. Yes sir, I'm hoping this gives someone out there the edge they need, or at least a different perspective.
I have found a different geological feature up in the Uinta's that the USGS doesn't know about. They will most definitely be interested in this particular feature and will have to update their maps as a result of it.
I'm keeping it secret for now until I have the proof I need (certain rocks). My issue is I need to find an old mine shaft in the area, so I can see the rock formations. I've searched the area off and on, but have only been able to find two old Spanish mines (both collapsed, so worthless to me) and some diggings by American prospectors around the 1940's.
The American's knew exactly what this formation was and they dug right were I would have dug. Right were they started digging I believe you will find the contact zone from a Sill. Their prospect hole is very mineralized (Iron and Pyrite). Underneath that deposit, I believe you will encounter Skarn. The problem is they gave up way to early and didn't go deep enough.
I was going to head out there next week to spend a few days looking for a shaft that is not caved in (this is difficult, the area is very rocked in and hard to explore). Unfortunately, I have to work and probably won't make it until next year (this area is in the high Uinta's, but not in Wilderness).
My interest is when I can prove my discovery, I want them to name the feature in honor of my Grandpa. The feature does not have a name on any of the maps, so I don't think the USGS will have an issue with this. When I have everything I need to prove this feature is what I believe it is, I will make a video so I have a digital record that is time stamped. This way the USGS can't exclude me from the discovery and wiggle out of our agreement to name it in honor of my Grandpa.
What ever happened to the Indian Tribe who knew about the location after chasing the Spaniards away ? Even though they gave the information to the Church, wouldn't they pass the story and location on to their own people ?
Great information and great narration brother, I hope you'll be the one who finds it.....
Thanks Henry and I really appreciate the feed back and comment. I would love to find the mine, but don't have the time to search. I have so much on my plate and have a hard time searching for the stuff I am currently pursuing. As I get older, I find more joy in finding old Indian Petroglyphs and dwellings anyway.
I just wanted to share the information with other people who are actively searching for the mine. Hopefully this will help someone out and give them a different way of viewing the mine. Too many treasure stories have distorted/clouded this mine in the last 30 years or so. Thanks again bud.
Being that somany looked the area over and didn't find any other gold deposits. Brings me to conclude it was only a pocket, and probably the family got most of it.
Good video. Boy some of that country sure does look familiar
LOL, yes sir I bet it does. Hanged out with a cool guy that day and had lots of fun!
I regret not keeping that rock. I should have brought it home, cleaned it up and took a closer look at it. I don't know why I do stuff like that. Find promising rock samples and just chuck them. One of these days I'll learn. LOL.
Excellent video - here is a guy who knows what he is talking about - real field experience.TY
Thank you! When I started this channel, I told myself I would only show stuff I could document in person out in the field. I appreciate the comment. A lot of work goes into this stuff.
Your educational ability is so good. Thank you! I learned more out of this video than all I have ever watched on this yopic.
Many thanks. I just got back last night from documenting an old mine site. I am going to post the video here in a few hours. It will be called, "The history and geology of an old mine site". You might enjoy it also.
This is my last time watching well listening to you. All this is in books and reading the books knowing history. I'm to old and can't go.
So what happened to Enoch?
I'm not sure to be honest, but I believe he was executed.
Call me crazy but did he pass right over a dinosaur fossil in this video and not know it!?!?!
I'm up for the challenge!
Heck ya, that's what I'm talking about. Good luck to ya!
@@LowBudgetExploration I've found several others lost mines successfully. This one will be more challenging since the elevation is much higher.
@@smokeyandspikeproductions I just checked out and subscribed to your channel. You have some really cool stuff and a nice channel. I hope you do find it, please send me a pic if you do. :)
@@LowBudgetExploration Awesome! I appreciate your subscription. It may be too late in the year currently. Possibly summer 2024.
Thanks for not introducing any distorted information about my GG Grandfather and Caleb.
WE SEARCHED FOR IT AROUND TABIONA UTAH...WE THINK WE FOUND IT BUT NEVER EXCAVATED THE BACKFILL....MY FRIEND AND I WERE BUILDING THE HADES AND RHOADES WATER TUNNELS...BEEN A FEW YEARS
Jeff, funny you mention this. My mom, dad and myself were just talking about this a few days ago. You've probably noticed in my videos I don't do treasure stories. I think most are BS anyway (the ones you read about in the books at least). If I can't film it, I don't bring it up (usually). That being said, I do know many treasure stories passed down in my own family.
Many of my family lived in Tabby and most were Sheep Herders back in the day. My Great Grandpa firmly believed he found the Lost Rhoades Mine near Tabby. He found it while herding sheep and it was very near Tabby.
He was very excited and told the family. Him and his son (my grandpa) made plans to go up and investigate further the next year when the snow melted. He ended up getting sick that winter and his health rapidly declined. My Grandpa searched the area where his father had said it was located, but was unable to find it. Of course back then, they had large families with many mouths to feed, so his searching was limited.
If you ever want to discuss further, just send me an email. I would love to hear your story and the two might be connected.
very interesting area , I see two or three areas for sure that are right areas for gold, plus another area in one of your other other podcasts.
Man I love your mixology of history, legend, and geology. The icing on the cake was the Spanish, somehow the history of the Spanish, leading to the legends of old Spanish mines, documented by the records of what they pulled out across this country can not be discounted. Somehow the Spanish understood their geology to the point that they established mines in some of the most gold/silver rich areas with no previous history to guide them (except possibly local Indians) I think they had a very solid understanding of how and where minerals form.
I hope someone finds your lost mine, but part of me hopes they only maybe tell you about it. It's never the individual miner that does the damage, it's all the pathetic humans that follow, shooting up, burning up, destroying all of that rich history.
I grew up tramping through Death Valley ghost towns and mines from the age of five, it is heart breaking to re-visit these areas and see the total rape of what was there. In the 80's if you wanted to see the best collections of town/mine artifacts all you had to do is know someone in the park service they had the best stuff.
Don't even get me started on the meth heads, some mines I used to visit I will no longer even enter as their misguided but effective hi-grading have removed most of the protections the old miners knew they had to leave. It's sad, we have lost so much.
John, I have a video coming up in the next few weeks (snow permitting) of an old mine site I found earlier this year. I am going to talk about the history and geology of the old mine site, I think you will enjoy it.
What a shame about the meth heads, I can't stand those idiots. Destroying history like that to feed their addiction really pisses you off. I've heard they now are into trying to find old Indian sites and digging them up looking for artifacts to sell. What a shame.
I agree about the Spaniards being excellent geologist and I also think they had the advantage of being first and getting all of the easy stuff. I'm sure most of the Indians were helpful in showing them ore deposits in exchange for small trinkets and such.
Thanks for the comment.
I spent the winter of 77-78 in a small collection of miners cabins improved by hippies the abandoned after somebody ripped off their pot patch. My 1 room shack was a tin roof had an old hitching post in front of it+we got water by throwing a bucket down into a well and the rough rugged dirt road had two deep ruts from the wagons that ran up to an old gold rush town of Belleville in Holcomb Valley in the mountains from the desert below 1860s-70s. The place was destroyed by a couple of people after I bought my land 12ac+cabin not far below and the 40ac where the “Welcome Ranch’ once stood was rebuilt be a couple + their son+renamed “Luna Vista” at the base of that mountain and the widow+friend live there today off-the-grid in a cool comfortable house where they live. During the blizzards of Feb 78, I got snowed in+it took me 3 weeks to get my truck out! Life in the high Mojave❤
What a fabulous story of history..great video..loved it
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Gold is where you find it, sometimes it's where it shouldn't be at all.
Rhoadesthe rhoads are my ancestors. My 5th great grandfather was captain henry Rhoades, thomas's uncle. Next to him buried is rachel boone rhoads. Who is daniel boones niece whom married into my family. Theyre buried right here in kentucky at browder cemetery. Captain henry rhoades home still stands to this day right by the graveyard.
Hi Cousin,
Isn't there a group of the family preserving that home? I think I got a notice once about it. Thomas was my GG Grandfather.
Not in Utah but find your video very interesting.
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Best wishes for the New🍹Year. Your presentation was excellent and the historical facts compelling. Take care and stay safe. new sub.
Thanks OG Rocker and appreciate the sub. Welcome to the channel my friend.
Magma cools black , you see all that rock your calling igneous , its red and it use to be blood !
Contact metamorphism is quite common in hard rock gold mining! Most gold found in the Mojave Desert in Eastern California is commonly found in that environment, especially around Amboy.
Yes it is, unfortunately the Uinta Mountains are lacking in this type of deposition.
`Really like your videos, thank you for sharing
Ive found old spanish silver mines and ive had a float rock assayed for good pgm bearing results.
I also know the big coin shop 8n salt lake city is owned by a morman and he collects those morman gold coins. The XRF readings provide those coins are minted from cal8fornia gold and not uinta gold
Cool discoveries. If silver ever makes a comeback, lots of people are going to make some quick money. I know a guy in Colorado who has two silver mines in the forest behind his house that were dug by the old timers. In the back of each mine is a high grade silver vein about an inch thick (same vein structure).
He gave me permission to film them, but also warned me about the rattlesnakes him and his brother often find in the mines. I am horrified of snakes and haven't worked up the courage yet. LOL.
I've heard that before about the coins. Very interesting.
very well explained, subbed. possibly he flooded the mine like the Aztecs used to.
Thank you and appreciate the sub!!
Very interesting video as I have read of this mine in several books. You did a great job with information and sources. I actually have 2 placer claims on Lynx Creek in AZ. I spend a good amount of time prospecting and camping, Utah is on my list so perhaps I will spend some time there. It is a beautiful state. Between Gold, fishing, and fossils I cannot imagine too many places that offer more. Best of luck.
Thank you and good luck with your claims. Hope you find some fatties!! I will be posting a vid tomorrow of an old prospectors cabin. You'll probably enjoy it.
That I will enjoy. I will view it when it is up. I love abandoned places.@@LowBudgetExploration
There is also one down under called Lassiters Reef
Thanks for the info, I just googled the Reef and found some interesting videos. I will check them out. I enjoy old treasure stories.
I just want to thank you for your amazing and knowledgeable demeanor. I see no reason to doubt your hypothesis. Stuff dreams are made of. My family is LDS and my great-great great grandfather made hand carts for the pilgramage. What an honor it would be to locate the mine. Keep up the good work, I'm definitely subscribing.❤
Many thanks Brenton and appreciate the comment! Many in my family also came across using the handcarts. Those guys were tough!! Take care and thanks again.
@@LowBudgetExploration Yes, they were tough as nails. My great grandfather, Joseph Stewart Allen, made that journey in 1847. He was a bodyguard for Joseph Smith during the tribulation of the saints in Illinois and his son was commissioned by Brigham Young to start a church south of "Zion" (Salt Lake City), which he did in Manti, Idaho and helped to build the temple there.
Thanks for your excellent and well researched geologic theory! There might be gold near the limestone contact with the dike, but Thomas Rhoade's gold came from a different deposit...It's fascinating history!
Thank you for that very informative fascinating video. I hope you get a horse and find the lost gold mine!!!!
Thanks Susie, but honestly I have no interest in it. I just made the video to help out those who are searching. I'd probably come to ruin if I had that much gold in my life. LOL.
The mountains, deserts and wild places are my treasure and I'm cool with that.
THERE IS A FRIGGIN FORTUNE IN AQUARIUM ROCK (HARDSCAPE) AT THE 10:00 MARK...IS THAT PUBLIC OR PRIVATE LAND ?
A lot of the video is filmed in the Wilderness Area, but that particular cut was not. It is on Forest Land.
Very interesting enjoyed this very much thank you from new zealand
Hi Mark and thanks for the comment. I would love to explore New Zealand! I'm a huge Tolkien fan and loved the movies. Your country is absolutely beautiful!
For your information I wrote “ The True Treasures of the Mountains are the Mountians Themselves “ For Paul J Tabbee his headstone December 25th 2002 for his headstone, When you use this quote give it the respect it deserves, Thank you Randy W Lewis great grandson of FWC Hathenbruck (Rhoades Mines ) RWLmedia !-3-2024
This video was very very informative. I like the analogy with a caterpillar with metamorphic rock.
Thanks Mark. That's how it was explained to me years ago and the analogy just always stuck with me. I have a video called, "Miners Lore", you might also enjoy.
@@LowBudgetExploration Thank you got the referral to your other video. Will check it out now. Your knowledge is broad and solid. You explain the geological terms well!
Fantastic description of geologic formations, thank you.😊
Stephan, your welcome and thanks for the compliment. I did a video last week called, "Miners Lore". You might also enjoy it. Thanks again.
If you look carefully, trace the two fault lines that you see at Lodore Canyon, they show up just west of Kamas, where Thomas and Caleb were. The Ute knew the mine at the time of Walkara and later Happy Jack, but it has been lost since Happy and Thomas died.
At minute mark 1751 what's the impression protruding out of the bed that looks like a fossil vertebrae? Thanks for your travels.
Just file a claim!
"The yellow metal that's good for nothing, except for making the white man crazy!'" ( A native American proverb)..💔☠️
Have you thought about using lidar to find it
I never have, but others have mentioned this as well. I'm not actively seeking the mine. I just wanted to share my theory to help out those who are.
I imagine the only way it will be found is by using modern technology like you point out (Lidar) and other instruments coming onto the market.
What are they mining up by Red Fleet?
Phosphate
Very interesting story.
15-20% copper
Thanks David. I knew it was high, but couldn't remember the exact percentage.