The War at Home: The Entire History of Battleships and Other Large Gun Capital Ships
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- The story of battleships actually goes all the way back to the wooden sailing ship, the ships of the battle line. From there, curator Ryan Szimanski tells the tale of the big gun capital ships of the US Navy and beyond all the way to the present day.
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I can't get enough of this channel. I just bought my friend the 350 scale Missouri for Christmas. Thanks a lot for making me spend mad cash on a buddy for a gift.
Your knowledge is astounding. I have learned so much from your videos. Thank you
I've watched this video a couple of times, and I still get find new info. It's a very dense video, and I love it.
"Liners" was the short hand term for " Ships of the Line", Battleship as a designation only came into use during the late 1800s with the rise of armored Capital ships.
Thanks Ryan. An excellent presentation. I missed this first time around.
Wonderful. Too bad they didn't keep some of the other Battleships for museums. Thanks.
there is 8 of them as Museums financual reasons , midwest states why they could'nt survive or mothballed on the opposite side of the country.
I love these informational videoes, USS Wisconsin, and USS North Carolina (visited both) museums never go this in-depth. Can’t wait for the quarantine to pass to go see USS New Jersey.
Thats so nice to hear, let us know if theres anything specific you want us to cover, we're always looking for new topics!
The North Carolina is a beautiful ship and I think the state of North Carolina is doing it an injustice.
Agreed. Ryan is doing a great job with these videos. 👍
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Ryan, You've got an interesting set of bookcases behind you, no doubt with a range of naval books.
29:16 In defence of this arrangement, Admiral Fisher believed that the Royal Navy would be closing and/or pursuing a foe when not in a battle line, not totally unreasonably, hence the wing turrets.
Additionally the British turrets were not suitable for superfiring, in fact the first british capital ship where B turret could fire over A at all angles and elevations is the HMS Hood with her MK II 15"/42 Turrets
I love the Iowa’s each of four being a little different but the same. When it came down to not finished Illinois and Kentucky and the difference between the first four would this make them a sub category or different line?
How about a DVD or DVD series for sale with a lot of the information about the New Jersey? I will probably never get there to tour the ship itself, but I love these, and I would buy DVD's of it
Great idea
Wow, lots if information here . I'd like to complement you on the formatting. I like the way you edited in the slides onscreen, instead of filling the screen with the presenter. Much better than bigger organizations with a lot more resources.
No one ever spends much time covering the amphibious assault ships. They always get skipped over. I feel they are more interesting. They have a much wider possible use. It seams since all their offensive actions are done by aircraft and infantry usually far from the ship and not on sea they get skipped.
Thank you for your time and effort and patience making the content i really appreciate and enjoy your videos. I love learning about naval history. Im not sure if they preserved any of the Alaska class ships but i hope they saved one Alaska class ship they were so cool. Alaska class cruisers to me are like baby iowas. They literally remind me of a mini iowa class they looked so cool like iowas are.
Been subscribed for ages and the algorithm only just now recommended this fantastic video. Love this
Great video, especially the evolution of monitors was interesting to me.
If the Montana's had been built, would that make the Iowa's the Battlecruiser equivalent?
They have one less turret and a less extensive protection scheme, but significantly more speed.
The modernized Montana would have the same specs as the Iowas in 1980's?
The Montana's wouldn't have been able to transit the Panama canal plus their top speed would have been 28 knots. By late WW2 they were already seen as pointless..What might have been interesting is if the two last Iowas had been completed Kentucky and Illinois which were delayed by changing priorities for steel to build additional landing craft. Those two made more extensive use of welding in their construction and the bow of one of them lives on because when Wisconsin collided with a destroyer in the 1950s and it looked like neither would be complete the welded it on. When they scrapped Illinois and Kentucky the Navy retained the power plants and used them to power the Sacramento class supply vessels.
Should do a video on how accurate ( for battleship) the iowa's really were and how they truly compared to the others
simple fact. when they were brought back in the 80's they found out her 40's era fire computer was equal to an 80's era computer.
I have read a few accounts that their accuracy in battle at sea wasn't good untill the 80s refit... Because by the time they entered service they where used for shore bombardment and carrier escorts. By the time they entered service the USA was so powerful no hostile battleship could have gotten in range without somebody screwing somthing up. I dear say if they had been in service at the same time as the south Dakotas they would have been just as good....
The history of ship development is fascinating. I’d love to hear more about the development of fire-control systems and the replacement of coal with oil. Better fire control would seem to have a tremendous refurnish on investment if you expect your ships to actually go into battle. Likewise oil vs coal seems like a huge leap but I have not seen much coverage on the topic elsewhere. Love your videos . Visited the New Jersey once. Feel like I need to go back and do the advanced tours now
Great channel I'm glad I discovered Battleship New Jersey.
Beyond cool. Thank you
Oops, sorry, but there was an error (don't see anyone else caught it, but) U.S.S. Iowa (BB-4) fought at Santiago. Only the K's were under construction at the time. Sorry Ryan - love your show, just an fyi, 😁
cheers ryan very intereting and detailed video
Must have been nerve racking for the early monitor crews when being moved along the coast. Low freeboard & any sea state above millpond would have had my finger nails chewed off.😲
Some didn't survive.
Sounds like you had a buddy with you while making this one, Ryan. ;-)
Nothing says lockdown like a guest appearance from the Beagle!
US Navy did reasonably well on Lake Champlain during the Revolution.
Great names
@battleshipnewjersey any chance of a video discussing today's fleet? To the extent possible of course lol
At 52:31 Ryan talks about the Japanese Montana class. I think he made a slipup otherwise the show is going well.
Post Tsushima ones seemed to really point the way to true dreadnoughts. Except slow and not stretched for more main battery turrets.
How did the projected Zumwalt Class...which was envisioned as a "Large Gun" (originally with rail-guns, and then a hybrid "guided munition" platform)...destroyer fit into the what the BB (Battleship) role, that the BB's at least morphed into; providing shore bombardment and indirect artillery support? I know the Zumwalts have been capped at 2 ships and have been controversial (to say the least), but it seemed like the Navy at least realized that they are sorely missing the "guns"...at least in certain roles and applications. The one thing the Zumwalts could conceivably provide was one thing the BB's never could: stealth. The BB's are conspicuous...and maybe were intended to be; like an aircraft carrier, you park a BB off the coast and people know you are serious. A "stealthy" design (like the Zumwalt) is intended "not to be seen" and therefore a different type of deterrent than a BB. Anyway, thanks for the presentation.
There are three Zumwalts which were originally to have been armed with an advanced 155 mm but the cost of the smart round ballooned from about $50,000 a round to nearly $900,000 a round so they were completed without the 155. It's still up in the air whether they'll be equipped with hypersonic missiles.
I would be interested in an assessment of how modern anti-ship missiles would fare against the New Jersey. I assume that they would not be very effective in spite of their over-the-horizon range advantage. The Phalanx air defense system on the last version of the Iowas would probably provide additional survivability.
depends on the missile. anti-ship missiles range from small fast, medium slow to missiles intended to sink Carriers with 2,000 lbs warheads that travel super sonic speeds. Modern Anti-ship missiles would definitely sink an Iowa.
I doubt a modern anti-ship missile could sink an Iowa but it would definitely mission kill the ship. The superstructure would be nearly completely destroyed and the targeting systems etc taken down. A modern sub launched torpedo could probably sink an Iowa though.
Protected cruiser>Battlecruiser, armoured cruiser>Battleship.
wow,,,those monitors, looks like it would not take much of a storm to sink one of those.
They must have been miserable ships to be in in any sea state that was not a flat calm
9:42 weren't most of them burned with Norfolk shipyard at the beginning of Civil War? Thus they never could became really obsolete, they were destroyed just before the era of steam powered ironclads began.
Do Wasa vs. New Jersey
We should of stead as a state defense force
Great info, still don't understand the difference between a Dreadnought and a Battleship.
"battleship" is a more wide ranging term, "dreadnought" is more specific and refers to the ones that only have big guns for firing at surface targets with smaller guns only really for AA defense.
A dreadnought is a battleship but a battleship need not be a dreadnought.... something like a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square.
@@whyjnot420 Thanks
@@whyjnot420 I find it interesting that the 5-inch gun has lasted so long. it was used on Pre-Dreadknots and Destroyers in the 1880s
@@bryanaveri6816 You have to remember that 5" only refers to the width of the shell. There are many different 5" guns out there. the 5" 38 caliber being the most famous on American ships. This refers to the barrel length being 38 times longer than the projectile is wide. Just like you see with the 16" guns. for instance you have 16" 45 caliber and 16" 50 caliber guns on American ships that are 60 feet and 66.6 feet long respectively. Generally speaking, a longer barrel allows more time for the projectile to speed up in the barrel, giving higher velocity to the projectile.
You have a similar situation in small arms. take 9mm for instance, that could be 9 mm x 18 mm, 9x19, 9x39, here the 2nd number refers to the length of the cartridge, the longer the cartridge, the more gunpowder can go into it. The more gunpowder the bigger the bang, more or less.
Then you have to consider the actual mount the gun is in. If you are in a casement, just sticking out the side of the ship, there is no way to aim up at planes, and therefore it is a surface target gun. The ones that can fire up high, tend to be turreted guns, and you can see a slit in the turret that shows the minimum and maximum elevation of the gun. Some turreted guns don't allow for the gun to be aimed that high up, others dont allow for the gun to be aimed low enough to hit a ship, while still others allow for both and are thus "dual purpose" guns, meaning surface and air.
In terms of 5" shells themselves. That is about the biggest shell a human can reliably load, continuously. Bigger than that, and you start needing automation to keep up the rate of fire (think about how the 16" guns are loaded to see what I mean by automation, not to mention how the propellant is separate from the projectile, unlike the 5" guns) America got reliable 8" autoloaders working with the Des Moines class cruisers which could fire around 6 shells per min per barrel, but they didn't come into the picture until just after the end of WW2, a little late for the party. World of Warships did a great video on the USS Salem for the Naval Legends series if you want more info on those ships. (Salem still exists too, you can visit her if you are ever in Massachusetts)
So, just like how we humans haven't changed since the 1800s, 5" has remained about the max that a human can manhandle shell after shell after shell.
It is definitely an interesting thing to think about though. It really shows that guns aren't just pipes with one end capped off. That they really are complex systems.
Why did the US go back to twin gun turrets in Colorados? Weight saving consideration?
Give me a wiley skinny submarine any day...
Why did they eliminate Alaska and Guam? With low service life they could have been useful in some way.
There were a lot of studies done before they were scrapped because of this reason. In the end the studies determined they were either too small for up fitting into some sorta air transport etc and not armored enough to support/replace the battleship role in shore bombardment.
I think Missouri needs to go to Missouri.
Why not use both?
Im sad because Navyfield's Nebraska was never a thing in real life
Is that your dog in the background audio?
Yes. His name is Trooper. He makes a few appearances in our lockdown series
Wouldn't a monitor be hard to hit? ??
(Granted,Japan and whomever had shells designed for water penetration)
Okay his terminology is all over the place with heavy cruisers, armored cruisers and battle cruisers.
Rifles
They need to find a way to get the Iowa home where she belongs.
That's a lot of stamps..😀
LOL so the "Rona" hoax has defeated the mighty BBs as well.!
LOL Good video mate.
Cheers.
First BB?
Maine (BB0) ?
the book library that is behind u , is that on the ship ? can u visit that room ? probably can't check them out ?Thanks for your response
That's Ryans living room. We do have a wonderful library on NJ though, and guests can check out books too!
@@BattleshipNewJersey is there any video or bio on Ryan himself? Seems like he’s kind of a big deal. I don’t know anyone else who literally gets into their job this deep and I’m curious to know more.
Ship of the Line slide has "Capitol" ships (should be Capital).
Missouri not Missorra
Ryan just Said *Japanese Montana* He met to Say *Japanese Yamato*
What's that growling noise during the semidreadnought era?
Lol they’re all in their home states, except 3/4 of them aren’t
3/8 aren't.
@@BattleshipNewJersey ah okay, confused me because you were talking about the Iowas the sentence before
All the Iowa class battleships are in their homes states exept for 3 out of the 4
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Love your work, battleships blah,blah,blah... I'm hearing a dog in the background, sounds like it bored..."Come on Dad play with me!!!", LOL I'm a 20 year Navy man but these days dogs are my "SQUIRREL!"
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Where did the US Constitution fit into you ships of the line schemes.
Constitution is a frigate, roughly equivalent to a cruiser.
Krupp is pronounced "CROOP"
Are all the random noises made by a dog?
What's with all the extraneous noise on this video? Is Ryan being punked?
This video was in the early days of the pandemic. From ryans living room. It's amazing there isn't more noise.
The amount of adds make this unwatchable
You mispronounced Passaic and it makes me profoundly unhappy.
And also Missouri
Great content. /salute@BBNJ. BBNJ . . . sounds like a sandwich. ;-)