Did not yet watch the video, but had a question about Jutland for quite some time and am posting it now to have a chance to be answered in the Drydock: Could Scheer hook around Beatty during the run to the south, leaving the old BBs behind as stopping point for the BCs and then having Beatty surrounded with the Scouting Group in the east, the modern BBs in the North and the pre-Dreadnoughts in the south? In my understanding, this was absolutely the germans' goal, would have prevented the chase to the north and therefore, probably, Jutland as we know it. Sadly, i do not have the ranges on hand to calculate if this would have been possible and do not know how far away Scheer had to go to prevent him beeing spotted during the "hooking".
What is your opinion on the the battlecruiser? on one hand we have the Battle of the Falklands which shows the ships strenghts, then then we have Jutland and Denmark striat which shows thieir weaknesses, it seems they are good in anything that doesn't involve other capital ships personally i'm conflicted and what like to hear your views.
30:24 "Aboard HMS New Zealand, Captain John Greene, also known as 'Jimmie', solemnly orders the Maori warrior skirt and green pendant, be brought to the bridge, where he puts them on. Thus enabling the supernatural protection that these items bestow upon his ship." THIS. This is why I am here.
Quite a statement for embracing diversity and multiculturalism in the Navy. Modern RNZN should make this practice regulation for all COs before action.
Royal Navy: does something stupid Scheer: "This must be part of their plan! How can I match the wits of such a cunning opponent and beat them at their own game of 4-dimensional chess?"
@@alexanderhartmann7950 If I recall correctly it was a running joke in the us logistics office and readiness division that hand picked a few quotes from different countries describing US doctrine during WW2: Soviets: "One of the serious problems in planning against American doctrine, is that the Americans do not read their manuals. Nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine" (from a Russian document) Nazi Germany: "The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos and the American army practices chaos on a daily basis" (from a German officer) US Army: "If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions" (Anonymous US guy)
The fact that Beatty's horrible communication, which both his superiors and his inferiors had to compensate for, landed him a promotion rather than disciplinary action infuriates me.
I cannot agree more ! In my opinion, Beatty was directly responsible for much of what went wrong for the Royal Navy at Jutland and actually deserved a court martial, in no way did he deserve promotion.
It’s sorta like the modern day where ghetto abrasive people (usually but not always women) get promoted all the time in business despite making whatever business worse in the process
I’ve heard of people being promoted out of the way, but it’s usually away from serious duties where as Beatty actually got a promotion that carried weight. Truly a Whitehall Warrior.
I have this videos in the background on my laptop while playing rimworld on my pc. Did almost trow my keybord as i heard the old man! "WHUT?! Thats jingles! Were are the video infos? "Bing! You are being attacked" WAS?!?! Pause, Pause, Pause!!!! Goddamnit...
"Major Harvey's last act proves providential again as the heat and embers of the fire in what is left of Lion's Q turret ignite multiple further charges stored in the working chamber, the flash racing down into the ship - but finding only sealed doors and seawater, thus saving the ship from the same fate as her half-sister Queen Mary, fragments of whom are still falling from the sky." "If you are going to make that signal, you had better make it now, sir. You may never make another." This is chilling. Incredible production quality, especially with the model illustrations.
@@chandlerwhite8302 As long as Wales was part of the United Kingdom, the RN was never out of names, AND could put 12 (or more) indecipherable letters strung together from various road signs in Wales, at the same time - like HMS Aberdaugleddau.
Spare a thought for F.J. Rutland. By the end of WWI, he may have been the world's premier expert on naval aviation. He left the service after the war, and accepted an offer to advise the Imperial Japanese navy on aircraft carrier operations. Remember, Japan had been on the allied side during the first scrap. By some sources, he gave them a critical hand up in development of what became the kido butai. By the second war, he'd left Japan. Some reports had him still active as a Japanese intelligence asset. He was interned for the duration. Died in bitterness. Remarkable story that would make a great movie.
Lessons learned that day: Do don your Māori battledress on every occasion. Do not hoard and then deck the halls with cordite. Bonus Fun Fact: Flags only work if you see them.
Good job Bernhard. It was great for Drach to combine the best of army, air, navy, and lowly Patreons such as myself to create somewhat of a community magnum opus.
One point not sufficiently emphasized is that Beatty’s JOB was to scout and REPORT. Beatty was a classic example of a man whose social capabilities (e.g. fox hunting) weighed far more than his naval talents in determining his promotions. His neglect of the most fundamental requirement of his orders would have led to a court of inquiry and dismissal for a man with less powerful connections. It would have been easy for Beatty to have tasked a junior officer to report to Jellicoe every 20 minutes the position, heading, and speed of the battlecruiser force, whether it was all together or separated, conditions of the enemy, if seen, including heading and speed, whether engaged, and casualties either side. These few bits of information would have been invaluable to Jellicoe. Beatty was so deeply incompetent he should have been buried in a Potter’s field, rather than the place of highest honor.
Yes indeed. And yet he continued to be favoured and promoted. I have a book in which he is listed as one of our great admirals. He was eventually an Admiral of the Fleet and First Sea Lord!
That's how it always is: normaltrash win at life. Individuals who hate work and try not to work whenever they can but are nevertheless perfectionists who can't help trying their best are always hindered by hardworking social butterfly normal people who never really do anything usefull.
Sadly, there are no lack of Beatties around today, promoted again and again despite spectacular incompetence - and sometimes because of it - out of the need to pursue some social and political agenda. It's still the people who carry the real burdens of risk who pay the price for their arrogance and entitlement.
It’s my understanding that whatever his flaws as a commander he was an accomplished ballroom dancer and often danced on deck of his ship. That should explain a lot about his priorities.
Those casualty numbers are sickening. It's easy to imagine it's just big chunks of metal battering each other ,but when you're reminded that they're packed with over a thousand men and every hit received has extinguised an untold number of young lives, it's rather sobering .
Well said. Especially the way they die, it’s not a quick bullet like a battlefield, but instead it could be drowning, asphyxiation from the fire, burning etc.
Obwohl die damalige medizinische Versorgung nicht mit dem zu vergleichen ist, was heute zur Verfügung stünde, scheint mir die Bereitschaft in einen Kampf zu gehen bei diesen Männern ungleich höher gewesen zu sein als heute, und das trotz der erwartbaren Schmerzen, Verletzungen oder Verkrüppelungen, Nicht, dass ich dies irgendeiner Weise glorifizieren will, da so etwas immer grausam und letztlich auch ohne Sinn ist, aber meinen sprachlosen Respekt haben diese Männer dennoch.
I've long been of the opinion that Hipper was just plainly the better sailor compared to Beatty, and moreover that Beatty - in a rare humbling - knew it. Though it's not implied, I've always liked Beatty's comments upon Hipper's death: "I am very sorry. One would like to express one's regrets for the passing of a gallant officer and a great sailor." Hipper was certainly both.
Would Nelson have been so humbling if he had been beaten at Trafalgar and survived? He put his life for his nation , Beatty liked his own reflection with his cocked hat. That's the difference.
Hipper may have gotten the better of Beatty, but Jellicoe was a better sailor than he, Beatty, and Scheer combined. The battle would've been an outright defeat for the British were it not for Jellicoe's leadership.
@@Strelnikov403 Thats the tragedy in real life. Unfortunately there are too many competent people like Jellicoe who get shunted aside by incompetent blowhards like Jellicoe. Hipper was definitely more competent than Beatty though.
imagine how terrifying it must have been to be on one of the destroyers in the chaotic battle of the screening forces between the opposing capital ships.
At this time Japans navy in a 3:1 disadvantage crippled the Russians in a single battle and in ww2 Japan was very competent as well America just had a greater production speed and newer technology so out matched it and unfortunately no one listened to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto and went for the carriers that being me and my sister ships Yorktown and Hornet Saratoga I think Wasp and Lexington
@@ussenterprisecv6805 The "competent navies" joke is meant to make fun of the Russian fleet, not the Japanese one. It references one incident where ships of the Russian fleet mistook British fishing boats for Japanese torpedo boats.
@@andrewdiez8353 my father was RN and he said the brits couldn't hit the side of a barn door. His ship was torpedoed in the Irish sea he was injured his face split in two he did survive.
I have a friend whose grandfather was a sailor in the German Navy during WWI and participated in the Battle of Jutland. He remembers his grandfather describing the battle as "boring"--that the ships firing at each other were too far apart for the average sailor to see through the fog.
In regards seaplane carriers, mention should be made of one small boat carrying the last official survivor of Jutland, Henry Allingham, who died aged 113 in 2009 (also both the oldest Britain and, briefly, world's oldest man). Henry, an aircraft rigger for the Royal Navy Air Service, was present aboard the trawler HMT Kingfisher, carrying a Sopwith Schneider seaplane. Henry was close enough to observe some of the the engagements and mentioned seeing shells ricocheting off the water.
I can’t help but imagine a sloshed German sailor, with his uniform unevenly buttoned and mumbling song lyrics, with a handle of liquor in one hand and the ship’s wheel in another. And on his dirty hat, askew to one side, the word “Seydlitz”
@me hee Don't have to, I'm not a sailor, and my armchair admiral credentials aren't enough to get me on any USN fighting ship, sadly. I get remembering their sacrifice, and the horrors of war so that you don't feel tempted to repeat them, but thinking of flash-fried and disintegrated sailors won't bring them back, so why dwell on it?
I would have been even more appropriate if the drunken helmsman was onboard Derfflinger instead since Georg von Derfflinger was well known to have been a complete drunkard himself :-)
I convinced my World history teacher to let me give a shortened presentation on the battle to a 10th grade class It was a bit hard to convey to them some aspects of the battle mostly due to them being 10th graders also because (being from Missouri) none of us had seen the sea let alone a warship There was a particularly funny moment when I was just finishing the run to the south when one student asked me “why don’t they use their sails?”.... it can be hard to be a naval buff in a landlocked state. Fantastic video as always!
Funny that, I had a similar experience sitting English exams as an adult, chose to give my short verbal presentation on the death of Groupe Mobile 100 during the French Indo China war.. I think the bored (at least one chose to demonstrate his ignorance!)teachers listening weren't aware of the French in Vietnam, one asked why the french were moving combat troops in a road convoy, they had plenty of helicopters........
First PowerPoint I ever gave was on the the attack on Pearl Harbor in 8th grade English. Unsurprisingly, it was also my first experience with my audience falling into “PowerPoint Coma.”
@ Commodore Squid Good on you young man. Passing on a very historical moment in naval warfare. Hopefully you can spark an interest in all of your class, but if you get ten interested then you have been successful.
So what I'm seeing here is that the Battlecruiser Engagement is basically a MOBA game, but one of the British players refuses to make callouts other than "I'm fighting them now!", and another one seems to have forgotten his push-to-talk button. We'll call these two players B33-T, and SayM00r, respectively.
@@CiaranMaxwell i mean, the minimap giving intelligence data means a lot of the guesswork is done for you. That, and you already know beforehand what types of ships you'll be fighting and how many.
Fantastic video! The in-depth look at the Battle of Jutland and the tactics of Beatty and Hipper is riveting. Really well-presented-can’t wait for Part 2!
How about the invasion force sitting off of Okinawa, the largest seaborne invasion fleet ever assembled. The invasion fleet was larger than Overlord on D-Day.
Agree completely have imagined it on the order of Midway only with better actors. I just cant see it being complete with one movie, maybe a trilogy like Lord of the Rings. Special effects galore, no way would you Dunkirk it.
I think it's because it has a confusing ending technically it's a British victory, but they don't do much visible damage in a way you could display on screen. Therefore it will be a bit odd as only a few ships are sunk more British than German because the Germans ran away. Half the battle happens at night where not much occurs and doesn't involve main characters of the theoretical film. I think also the number of ships involved would balloon the CGI budget so much that, that alone would be too much if not bankrupt production before it's finished
@@Hollows1997eh, nowadays you can probably pay a game studio like wargaming for the rights to the 3D models and use them, or simply work with them for the CG. Not that it WOULDN'T be expensive, but it wouldn't be impossibly so.
Could do like Ford vs Ferrari did and use Beatty as a sort of "Antagonist on the heroes side" to tell the tale of the British doing their best under an obstructive and petty commander. Unlike Ford vs Ferrari, you wouldn't have to exaggerate or alter Beatty that much to make him a villain.
Retired recently and had a mighty list of things "I will do when I get the time". Discovered this channel and ,today, this video has made me take that list simply sail to Scapa Flow, scuttle it and settle back into a more productive and enjoyable retirement
This is truly an excellent account, amongst the very best I have read or heard. There is a lot I didn’t know or perhaps forgotten. In the finest traditions of this channel. There is an audio recording at the Imperial War Museum in London where a survivor from HMS Indefatigable, who was thrown into the water with another survivor, witnessed that man’s head taken off by a shell. In Steven Roskill’s book HMS Warspite, he recounts an officer dissuading two ratings from to chipping the fuse from a dud German 12’ inch shell during the battle. I am currently writing a verbal family account the battle.
Yes, Derfflinger was firing in almost "practice conditions"... but failed to hit anyone for TEN long minutes! On the other hand, Lutzow and Moltke, the two ships targeted by two RN ships each, beat their opponents to a pulp!
@@shellshockedgerman3947 No, getting hit reduces combat efficiency and short shells obscure and impide sighting, it is definitely a disadvantage. Of course, the RN ships were lousy shooters.
@Jurassic Aviator 5th was the only exception due to their guns, 4rd had been in training for a short period only, them and Iron Duke were accurate at barely medium range and while firing unopposed.
Considering how the average loading time for battle ships was around 30-40 seconds plus the range and natural spread of shot, 10 minutes to do major damage isn’t bad.
Oh my god oh my god oh my god I’m a grown man and I’m giddy like a small boy for this video from you! I’ve been waiting for this for a long time. Thank you!
Stunning work. Drachinifel, BZ to you and everyone who helped with this. I never realized how hard Beatty worked to hand the complete victory to the Germans.
Major Harvey VC, what a hero that guy was, genuinely amazing act of heroism, RIP. Also, I've seen quite a few documentaries and youtube commentaries on the battle of Jutland, but this is my favourite already!
Ah!!! The Harvey legend, lets see what Campbell says about it... "Two or three minutes after the hit, the Lion's Chief Gunner, Mr Alexander Grant, visited `Q' magazine, and while there, one of the working chamber crew arrived in the handing room down the trunk, and told the Chief Gunner the state of affairs. Orders were given for the magazine doors to be closed and later for the magazine to be flooded. At 162 8 the Chief Gunner was approaching the hatch to the handing room on the main deck, when a large sheet of flame came up the hatch killing several of the fire party in the vicinity. As soon as the smoke had sufficiently cleared, a party headed by the Chief Gunner went down to the handing room and other compartments, and found half the shell room crew in the shell room burned to death, as well as the magazine and half shell room crews in the handing room and switchboard flat. The paint in the handing room and shell room near the hoist was blackened and blistered but by no means all burnt, and the switchboard was blackened but intact. It was conjectured that the fire had spread from the gun-house to the working chamber via the electric cables as they were the only things burnt as opposed to blistered or blackened. All that is certain, however, is that a smouldering fire in the gun-house spread in some manner to the working chamber and ignited the charges there. The effect of the ignition of the eight charges that were between the handing room and 4ft above the working chamber, was very violent, although vented by the absence of part of the turret roof, and by the handing room hatch being open. The flame went as high as the mastheads, and `Q' magazine bulkheads were considerably buckled and bulged inwards although supported by the water in the magazine which had probably by then been completely flooded. If the magazine had still been open, the Lion would, without any doubt have followed the Indefatigable and Queen Mary. The above account is largely taken from Jellicoe's memorandum of 16 June 1916 which contained notes on the more important damage to the battlecruisers and the Warspite and was later reproduced in Grand Fleet Gunnery and Torpedo Order No 15 on the lessons of Jutland. There is no mention in this of the part played by Major FJW Harvey, RMLI, the officer of the turret, except that he sent a messenger to the bridge to report that the turret was out of action. Major Harvey was awarded a posthumous VC for giving orders to close the magazine doors and flood the magazine when he was mortally wounded; in the event the order to flood the magazine came from the Captain to the transmitting station, and William -Yeo, Stoker 1st class, special messenger to the transmitting station, was the man actually sent to order `Q' magazine to be flooded. The transmitting station asked for the order to be repeated, as the Lion had partially flooded `A' magazine in error at the Dogger Bank battle, and Grand Fleet Gunnery Orders after the action had indicated that the person in charge of a magazine, if there was no fire there, should take steps to find out why the order to flood had been given, and inform a responsible officer of what was occurring. In this case it was fortunate that `Q' magazine was flooded in time, as tests later showed that magazine doors as then fitted, were by no means flash tight when closed. As it was, a venting plate admitted a tongue of flame into the magazine but no harm was done. At that date magazine venting plates were fitted in handing rooms, so that a sudden pressure rise in the magazine from spontaneously ignited cordite would vent into the handing room and thence up the space between the fixed and revolving turret structures, and also up the turret trunk. They were not flash-tight in the reverse direction. Many lives might have been saved if orders had been given to clear the whole of `Q' turret once the magazine had been flooded, and it is not clear why the charges between turret and magazine were not returned to the latter before closing the doors, which would have prevented the cordite fire." Yeah, some British author wanted and succeeded in inventing a "hero", no doubt the guy had connections.
@CreedOfHeresy That is your first problem, if you dont know him, you dont know Jutland. www.amazon.com/Jutland-Analysis-Fighting-Maritime-Classics/dp/1558217592
@CreedOfHeresy LOL!!!! Yes, Campbell has no clue and has not written extensively on the matter to the point his book is the golden standard for the battle... but you know better... right? LOL!
@@trauko1388 I am utterly confused on what is being implied here. Do you mean that Harvey never existed by going off of Campbell's book? Or is it the other way around? Or neither?
Eh, the Hood probably took a 15 inch shell directly to the forward magazine though the main deck. And if she did then nothing short of that magazine being flooded before she took that hit could have saved her.
Edward Teach Not quite right. Hood was lost to a direct hit aft that most likely struck the upper belt, which was only 7” thick, before then passing through the upper armoured citadel slopes, before finally fetching up in or near the aft magazine. A one in a million shot.
@@crabbyguy2737 Ah, thanks for the correction. It has been a while since I looked at a detailed account of the hit. Either way the original point stands. Only better armor or an already flooded magazine could have saved her.
Edward Teach No problem, and aye, considering the hit she took, only the added armour from her proposed refit or a flooded magazine could have saved the ship, you’re pretty much correct there.
Meanwhile the gun crew of Malaya, just having recieved a non-penetrating hit from a main caliber from one of the nine ships they were simultaneously engaging: "We had no thought that we should come out worse than the enemy, but wanted to know just how many German ships were still afloat to be finished off."
Give one to Evan Thomas while you're at it, he's hardly blameless for the first turn mistake. "I am an Admiral, I am paid a large wage to command the most modern ships in the fleet. Yet it takes me 10 minutes (while still going North East) to figure out WHY my immediate commander has turned SE and increased speed." There's "obeying orders" and there's "being thicker than your armor plate."
@@drewdederer8965 As Thomas had Stated Following the Battle, He Had Believed Beatty Was to Signal a Different Course to Him. In Addition, Apparently, Those Within the Grand Fleet Had Been Taught to Follow Orders, Not to Act Without Them.
@@CapLP7800 Excuses, he was a freeking admiral, not a hollow suit. Plus he's recieved the same radio messages. And "only following orders" was listed as problem #1 right after the battle. Also "he believed" so he WAS thinking, just not very well.
@@drewdederer8965 As Commander of 5th Battle Squadron Beneath Beatty, It is His Job to Act Under the Orders of His Superior, Not to Act of His Own Accord. Just as It is the Job of Beatty Alongside His Staff to Correctly Transmit Orders.
@@CapLP7800 Beatty actually sent that order properly (by aldis lamp) it was missed. Thomas was not on the bridge at the time. When he got there he spent 10 minutes (running Northeast the entire time) to come to the conclusion that Maybe he should follow to the Southeast (he's an admiral he is paid a rather princely sum, you'd think he could come to the decision "follow the flagship" in less than 10 minutes (especially with an "enemy in sight" known). Evan Thomas salavaged a lot of his reputation in the later battle. But his dithering pointed out exactly what was wrong with the Navy. The system could not tell everyone exactly what to do, and too many officers did not think unless absolutely forced to.
Not even that... but all at once. Death coming not in ones, twos or even a rare dozen.... but potentially in the thousands with barely a moments notice.
I love that you had all the important personalities in the battle voiced, while you narrated the action, it added another dimension to the telling that I really appreciate. This must be, what, the fifth time I've watched these Jutland videos, so bravo sir, very well done.
Anybody else think they recognise the German voices from 'Military History Visualised' and 'Military Aviation History' ? Another couple of impressive guys.
Great to see this getting a special treatment and also going into detail on the command challenges, communications issues, and the still extant technical issues with fire control and the tricky North Sea environemnt.
@@cwulfe1 This American "thing" is so awkward to see. Do you go to Mcdonalds and say "As US MARINE I'd like a big mac". You can make a point without trying to score browny points you know
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I seem to recall hearing of some in Afghanistan that performed as well gravely wounded and under fire.
I saw somewhere else that Beatty actually had an extra pair of buttons sewn onto his coat just so he could look cooler than everybody else. What a douche.
Rozhestvensky: *smirks* Beatty: In your dreams, RAGEstvensky the Mad Dog! Rozhestvensky: Say that again and I'll kill you! Beatty: *sheepishly sarcastic tone* Scary.
This video, and the full series for that matter, are the Drach videos I’ve watched the most times. These and the adventures of the 2nd Russian Pacific squadron starring the long suffering Admiral Zinovy Petrovich (Mad dog) Rozhestvensky, may he rest in peace.
And may he rest knowing he will never again lay eyes on the Kamchatka. Just in case he did I'm sure the Heavenly Host would provide him with some suitably explosive binoculars to throw 👍🏻
Castles of Steel by Robert Massie is an excellent and detailed book on each major battleship engagement including Jutland during WWI, amazing what people back then went through
I have never liked Beatty and this video does nothing to polish his reputation. Sadly, he *looked* the part of the dashing and daring Admiral, which rather outshone in the public eye Jellicoe's more measured and effective leadership. We should be grateful that despite it all, he never had to lead the full Grand Fleet into action.
Sad but true, Beatty screwed up almost everything during this engagement, Jellicoe's performance was generally excellent yet he was eventually replaced by Beatty
Beatty's stationing of the fifth battle squadron was considered defective, as leaving his battlecruisers in the lurch. You can argue that he had no opportunity yet to discern the potential harm to the so-called, splendid cats, but his error counted most on the day. Churchill wrote he was a cavalry officer at sea, which puts him in Custers boots, only he never tried to cross a river to obtain the native women, and never got killed while awaiting the fifth battle squadron. No insult to the natives, just highlighting the comparison.
Love the theatre. Just a friendly suggestion from a fellow creator regarding your guests' audio: considering running them through a compressor to flatten the dynamics and bring up their volume to balance it with yours. I find myself yoyoing my volume knob while listening in my car. Though even if you don't, I'll still be listening! Keep up the great work
My great grandfather was cook on HMS Laurel who picked up the few survivors from HMS Queen Mary. He said he'd never forget what he saw in the water that day.
with our bloody ships eh...admiral beatty commanding several battlecruisers in the van of Jellicoes grand fleet.. love to read about this battle! my fav quote though has to be..Hurrah boys..we caught them napping..lets finnish this business and return to our station!..Custer at the Little Big Horn..
Yes yes yes battle of Jutland is by far my favourite event of naval warfare, very much looking foward to part 2 so thank you Drach for the attention to detail!
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Something that I've never been able to comprehend is what it would be like to witness a Dreadnought's magazine detonate, like in the case of Indefagitable. Hundreds upon hundreds dying in a heartbeat, ripped apart more violently than you can imagine. An explosion so large it can rip a ship that powerful in half. The power of an event like that is unimaginable
Thank you for this, Drach. The event was such a melee that elements tend to fall out of the picture. That the role of the smaller units isn't ignored is welcome.
Love the way you acted on requests for names of ships on the pictures! Really adds to the experience, and is greatly appreciated. The dates are a good bonus.
This is the best I have seen on You Tube.. I especially appreciate the use of multiple people for the parts making it much easier to follow what is being depicted.
This battle has intrigued me since my older brother bought the Avalon Hill board game “Jutland” in the 1960’s. It was basically a miniatures game in cardboard. For one thing we didn’t have the floor space for it so we never really played it.
Tactically, it was a German victory. The end result though was the British still maintained sea control simply by still having superior numbers. And while Jellicoe was ready to sortie within 36 hours, The High Seas Fleet, particularly the battlecruisers, would require considerably longer to be battle-ready.
Wednesday is my "beer day". I allow myself to have a beer once a week on Wednesdays during this pandemic times, being stuck at home. Now, Wednesday, Drach's video, my beer - its entirely new quality. I cannot wait for the evening!
In 1973, during the Arab-Israeli October war, my FBM submarine was deployed to the North Sea in order to encourage the Soviets to not interfere in that conflict. We were at 600 feet submerged, making 4 knots on station, while topside a huge gale was making 40 foot waves, and we were taking 10 to 20 degree rolls at that depth. I can't imagine what a U Boat would have been like trying to operate in those kind of seas from less than 200 feet submergence (more likely PD, with some unavoidable time spent on the surface recharging batteries), but merely broaching would have been the least of it.
This is a true masterpiece for history fans, plus having this all-star cast for impersonation of the ships is a real treat in itself. Love Admiral Jingle's style of narration, he is an amazing storyteller.
Ok I have watched a LOT of u tube and this (with all my favorite guests) is the best I have ever experienced. I literally don’t have the words to complement everyone involved.
"I took a very dim view of events" could have been the motto of the Royal Navy for much of what occured during the initial stages of the battle - as was aptly stated by Leading Torpedoeman Thorne aboard HMS Necator (at 42:40 of the video) when he saw what was transpiring. Together with Admiral Beatty's unforgettable "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!", the two quotes are typical of British understatement. (It was also obvious that something was terribly wrong with the bloody signals the Royal Naval vessels did - or moreover, did not - send to each other and Admiral Jelicoe during many stages of the battle !).
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what would the battle of samar look like if halsey hadn't ran off like an idiot
Did not yet watch the video, but had a question about Jutland for quite some time and am posting it now to have a chance to be answered in the Drydock:
Could Scheer hook around Beatty during the run to the south, leaving the old BBs behind as stopping point for the BCs and then having Beatty surrounded with the Scouting Group in the east, the modern BBs in the North and the pre-Dreadnoughts in the south? In my understanding, this was absolutely the germans' goal, would have prevented the chase to the north and therefore, probably, Jutland as we know it.
Sadly, i do not have the ranges on hand to calculate if this would have been possible and do not know how far away Scheer had to go to prevent him beeing spotted during the "hooking".
What is your opinion on the the battlecruiser?
on one hand we have the Battle of the Falklands which shows the ships strenghts, then then we have Jutland and Denmark striat which shows thieir weaknesses, it seems they are good in anything that doesn't involve other capital ships personally i'm conflicted and what like to hear your views.
How does one operate a modern fleet/ decide on the components of that fleet
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30:24 "Aboard HMS New Zealand, Captain John Greene, also known as 'Jimmie', solemnly orders the Maori warrior skirt and green pendant, be brought to the bridge, where he puts them on. Thus enabling the supernatural protection that these items bestow upon his ship." THIS. This is why I am here.
That tidbit just cracked me up! I'm trying to visualize a British Naval Officer in Maori dress giving battle orders.
That never happened ... oh wait...
Quite a statement for embracing diversity and multiculturalism in the Navy. Modern RNZN should make this practice regulation for all COs before action.
Question is, would it work on the Kamchatka?
@@sillypuppy5940 with a girdle of thrown binos?
Royal Navy: does something stupid
Scheer: "This must be part of their plan! How can I match the wits of such a cunning opponent and beat them at their own game of 4-dimensional chess?"
If we don't know what we're doing how can the enemy ever figure it out?
Spoiler alert
@Rafael Enriquez I have a mental image in my head of him saying that while having the same look on his face as your avatar
The US adopted this in their WWII shenanigans.
@@alexanderhartmann7950 If I recall correctly it was a running joke in the us logistics office and readiness division that hand picked a few quotes from different countries describing US doctrine during WW2:
Soviets: "One of the serious problems in planning against American doctrine, is that the Americans do not read their manuals. Nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine" (from a Russian document)
Nazi Germany: "The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos and the American army practices chaos on a daily basis" (from a German officer)
US Army: "If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions" (Anonymous US guy)
The fact that Beatty's horrible communication, which both his superiors and his inferiors had to compensate for, landed him a promotion rather than disciplinary action infuriates me.
I cannot agree more ! In my opinion, Beatty was directly responsible for much of what went wrong for the Royal Navy at Jutland and actually deserved a court martial, in no way did he deserve promotion.
@@SNP-1999 "I polished that doorknob so carefully that now I am the ruler of the Queens Navy!" from HMS Pinafore- Gilbert & Sulivan.
It’s sorta like the modern day where ghetto abrasive people (usually but not always women) get promoted all the time in business despite making whatever business worse in the process
P1l
I’ve heard of people being promoted out of the way, but it’s usually away from serious duties where as Beatty actually got a promotion that carried weight.
Truly a Whitehall Warrior.
Who is the genius that scratched the words "SEA PLNAE" on the picture of the first sea plane ever?
I guess we will never know.
watch me whip, watch me plnae plnae
You were expecting a normal name... BUT IT WAS ME DIO!!
Boomers gotta Boom...except this predates even them
The fact that Warspite's captain is narrated by The Mighty Jingles makes me appreciate this video so much more. Stellar job, Drach!
When the UK or "Earth" finally build a Star Destroyer or Battlestar, it needs to be named Warspite. Absolutely badass.
I have this videos in the background on my laptop while playing rimworld on my pc.
Did almost trow my keybord as i heard the old man!
"WHUT?! Thats jingles! Were are the video infos?
"Bing! You are being attacked" WAS?!?! Pause, Pause, Pause!!!! Goddamnit...
I love that
@@fredsas12 Why would we build either one?
That was nice I love his style as well.
"Major Harvey's last act proves providential again as the heat and embers of the fire in what is left of Lion's Q turret ignite multiple further charges stored in the working chamber, the flash racing down into the ship - but finding only sealed doors and seawater, thus saving the ship from the same fate as her half-sister Queen Mary, fragments of whom are still falling from the sky."
"If you are going to make that signal, you had better make it now, sir. You may never make another."
This is chilling. Incredible production quality, especially with the model illustrations.
and proves Marines do not need major body parts or organs to do their duty.
If people knew how many times I tried to pronounce HMS Engadine correctly and still failed....
Your not the only one 😅
Don't sweat it, you were close :-)
N GA DEEN :-)
A valiant effort
I am from Essex and pronounce it as Avengers:Endgame. Hope this helps.
Royal Navy had such wonderful ship names. One would almost expect the end of a column to be HMS We-Are-Coming-For-You-With-Sharp-Swords.
HMS Kiss-Yer-Bloody-Arse-G'by, Mate!
Or HMS “We Are Out of Names So Here Are 12 Indecipherable Letters Strung Together.”
@@chandlerwhite8302 As long as Wales was part of the United Kingdom, the RN was never out of names, AND could put 12 (or more) indecipherable letters strung together from various road signs in Wales, at the same time - like HMS Aberdaugleddau.
You,sirs,have crafted the most hilarious thread in military history!
@@tcpratt1660 I want a ship called HMS
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
Spare a thought for F.J. Rutland. By the end of WWI, he may have been the world's premier expert on naval aviation. He left the service after the war, and accepted an offer to advise the Imperial Japanese navy on aircraft carrier operations. Remember, Japan had been on the allied side during the first scrap. By some sources, he gave them a critical hand up in development of what became the kido butai. By the second war, he'd left Japan. Some reports had him still active as a Japanese intelligence asset. He was interned for the duration. Died in bitterness. Remarkable story that would make a great movie.
He also gave the IJN chapter and verse in the art of
night fighting important before radar
Doesn't even have a Japanese Wikipedia page.
The Warspite busting a move in front of the entire German Fleet and surviving is the stuff of legends.
Takes a ship killing fritz-x bomb in wwii. Survives somehow
Somehow? 😂 spite she survives out of spite.
With a name like "Warspite" she HAD TO SURVIVE!!
As a Yank I am unreasonably angry at GB for scrapping Warspite.
Of course it did. Warspite had plot armour.
Lessons learned that day:
Do don your Māori battledress on every occasion.
Do not hoard and then deck the halls with cordite.
Bonus Fun Fact: Flags only work if you see them.
Tis the season to serve Beatty
If you want something done properly, kill Beatty before you start.
But we can’t have a proper celebration without the halls being decked with cordite. ;)
Bonus fun fact, Nelson, I see no signal...
"rig ship to detonate aye sir"
Drachinifel's Battle of Jutland - The greatest naval battle UA-cam has ever seen!
Battle of Leyte Gulf: Hold my AvGas.
@@NewtypeCommander Meh, I found Leyte too disjointed into separate actions in separate areas to see it as a cohesive giant battle myself.
@@mattblom3990 yez but the memes Leyte gives us. "Odds? What are those?"
David Tuttle And the Chad USS Johnston
@@MrOiram46 USS Johnston. The slowest destroyer in USN history.
It was unable to overcome the drag caused by it's massive balls.
happy to be in there as well :)
Good job Bernhard. It was great for Drach to combine the best of army, air, navy, and lowly Patreons such as myself to create somewhat of a community magnum opus.
@@mattblom3990 Matt. Thank you for using the word 'community'. My opinion is that this is a 'community'. Drach should be proud of having created it.
I was recognising some of the acents, sometimes thinking: wait, what?
Jingles is there...
You are the Stalin of english pronunciation. Respect to anyone who can bare to finish one of your videos. I can't. You should feel bad!
One point not sufficiently emphasized is that Beatty’s JOB was to scout and REPORT. Beatty was a classic example of a man whose social capabilities (e.g. fox hunting) weighed far more than his naval talents in determining his promotions. His neglect of the most fundamental requirement of his orders would have led to a court of inquiry and dismissal for a man with less powerful connections. It would have been easy for Beatty to have tasked a junior officer to report to Jellicoe every 20 minutes the position, heading, and speed of the battlecruiser force, whether it was all together or separated, conditions of the enemy, if seen, including heading and speed, whether engaged, and casualties either side. These few bits of information would have been invaluable to Jellicoe. Beatty was so deeply incompetent he should have been buried in a Potter’s field, rather than the place of highest honor.
Yes indeed. And yet he continued to be favoured and promoted. I have a book in which he is listed as one of our great admirals. He was eventually an Admiral of the Fleet and First Sea Lord!
That's how it always is: normaltrash win at life. Individuals who hate work and try not to work whenever they can but are nevertheless perfectionists who can't help trying their best are always hindered by hardworking social butterfly normal people who never really do anything usefull.
Sadly, there are no lack of Beatties around today, promoted again and again despite spectacular incompetence - and sometimes because of it - out of the need to pursue some social and political agenda. It's still the people who carry the real burdens of risk who pay the price for their arrogance and entitlement.
It’s my understanding that whatever his flaws as a commander he was an accomplished ballroom dancer and often danced on deck of his ship. That should explain a lot about his priorities.
His home life with Ethel (Field) Beatty was no picnic, either. He had serious issues with tactical judgement.
Those casualty numbers are sickening. It's easy to imagine it's just big chunks of metal battering each other ,but when you're reminded that they're packed with over a thousand men and every hit received has extinguised an untold number of young lives, it's rather sobering .
Well said. Especially the way they die, it’s not a quick bullet like a battlefield, but instead it could be drowning, asphyxiation from the fire, burning etc.
And just one month later, the Somme...
Obwohl die damalige medizinische Versorgung nicht mit dem zu vergleichen ist, was heute zur Verfügung stünde, scheint mir die Bereitschaft in einen Kampf zu gehen bei diesen Männern ungleich höher gewesen zu sein als heute, und das trotz der erwartbaren Schmerzen, Verletzungen oder Verkrüppelungen, Nicht, dass ich dies irgendeiner Weise glorifizieren will, da so etwas immer grausam und letztlich auch ohne Sinn ist, aber meinen sprachlosen Respekt haben diese Männer dennoch.
Battle of Jutland
*Part 1*
HO BOY, this is gonna be fun
I was reading your comment on yarnhub before I clicked on this video
The entire battle is relayed in Part 1. Part two will just be Drach cussing out Beatty for an hour and a half.
Oh dear for Beatty..
@@Zeppflyer as expected
@@Zeppflyer There was nothing wrong with Beatty that 20 years hard labour and demotion to assistant stoker 4th class wouldn't have sorted out.
I've long been of the opinion that Hipper was just plainly the better sailor compared to Beatty, and moreover that Beatty - in a rare humbling - knew it. Though it's not implied, I've always liked Beatty's comments upon Hipper's death: "I am very sorry. One would like to express one's regrets for the passing of a gallant officer and a great sailor." Hipper was certainly both.
Would Nelson have been so humbling if he had been beaten at Trafalgar and survived? He put his life for his nation , Beatty liked his own reflection with his cocked hat. That's the difference.
Agreed
Yeah, he respected Hipper quite a bit.
Hipper may have gotten the better of Beatty, but Jellicoe was a better sailor than he, Beatty, and Scheer combined. The battle would've been an outright defeat for the British were it not for Jellicoe's leadership.
@@Strelnikov403 Thats the tragedy in real life. Unfortunately there are too many competent people like Jellicoe who get shunted aside by incompetent blowhards like Jellicoe. Hipper was definitely more competent than Beatty though.
Any RN ship at Jutland: Beatty we need a heading
Beatty: ...
Flag Officer Seymour: Hard to starboard and plot course to Tibet aye sir!
‘Seen’
"Out there, (points in random direction) that away."
Jingles should have voiced Beatty. He has self stated he's crap.
"Set sail...in a... *that* way direction."
"HMS Dreadnought herself"
"... his flag officer, a one Erich Raeder"
I love this little tidbits, it makes one savour the narration. Great style, man.
I love how HMAS Australia Collided with HMNZS New Zealand. Thats gold. Were they playing rugby?
Probably
Sounds about right.
The New Zealand "won" its confrontation with Australia and actually made it to Jutland.
Lmao, most likely
Battleship sports would be something I would watch
Predictable outcome though. ❤😂
This is the first telling I've found that spares time for the non capital ship parts of the battle of Jutland.
I VERY much approve.
imagine how terrifying it must have been to be on one of the destroyers in the chaotic battle of the screening forces between the opposing capital ships.
But the real question is: Did anyone spot any Japanese torpedo boats?
Oh, wait, these are competent navies, never mind...
Kamchatka has entered the chat*
At this time Japans navy in a 3:1 disadvantage crippled the Russians in a single battle and in ww2 Japan was very competent as well America just had a greater production speed and newer technology so out matched it and unfortunately no one listened to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto and went for the carriers that being me and my sister ships Yorktown and Hornet Saratoga I think Wasp and Lexington
@@ussenterprisecv6805 The "competent navies" joke is meant to make fun of the Russian fleet, not the Japanese one. It references one incident where ships of the Russian fleet mistook British fishing boats for Japanese torpedo boats.
@@VRichardsn ohhhh god I feel like a moron now for forgetting this incident and i guess for misreading it
@@ussenterprisecv6805 No problem.
The British perspective in the Battle of Jutland:
"Man this is some shit RNG"
God saved the kaiser indeed.
He should have changed his name sooner so God wasn't confused. 😂
@@tilio9380 ww
Indeed, Squire was correct.
Damn Royal Navy Gunnery!
@@andrewdiez8353 my father was RN and he said the brits couldn't hit the side of a barn door. His ship was torpedoed in the Irish sea he was injured his face split in two he did survive.
WW1 torpedos aren’t exactly known for their perfect accuracy
I have a friend whose grandfather was a sailor in the German Navy during WWI and participated in the Battle of Jutland. He remembers his grandfather describing the battle as "boring"--that the ships firing at each other were too far apart for the average sailor to see through the fog.
In regards seaplane carriers, mention should be made of one small boat carrying the last official survivor of Jutland, Henry Allingham, who died aged 113 in 2009 (also both the oldest Britain and, briefly, world's oldest man). Henry, an aircraft rigger for the Royal Navy Air Service, was present aboard the trawler HMT Kingfisher, carrying a Sopwith Schneider seaplane. Henry was close enough to observe some of the the engagements and mentioned seeing shells ricocheting off the water.
I can’t help but imagine a sloshed German sailor, with his uniform unevenly buttoned and mumbling song lyrics, with a handle of liquor in one hand and the ship’s wheel in another. And on his dirty hat, askew to one side, the word “Seydlitz”
"Versoffen und beim Deibel is die Ganze Crew yohoho und ne Vuddel VOLL Rum"
Yeah, but even if he were, I bet he'd have had a clearer understanding of his duties than Beatty
@@cogidubnus1953 Maybe Beatty and Seymore were just raging alcoholics who could not think straight when off the bottle
@me hee Don't have to, I'm not a sailor, and my armchair admiral credentials aren't enough to get me on any USN fighting ship, sadly. I get remembering their sacrifice, and the horrors of war so that you don't feel tempted to repeat them, but thinking of flash-fried and disintegrated sailors won't bring them back, so why dwell on it?
I would have been even more appropriate if the drunken helmsman was onboard Derfflinger instead since Georg von Derfflinger was well known to have been a complete drunkard himself :-)
I convinced my World history teacher to let me give a shortened presentation on the battle to a 10th grade class
It was a bit hard to convey to them some aspects of the battle mostly due to them being 10th graders also because (being from Missouri) none of us had seen the sea let alone a warship
There was a particularly funny moment when I was just finishing the run to the south when one student asked me “why don’t they use their sails?”.... it can be hard to be a naval buff in a landlocked state.
Fantastic video as always!
Funny that, I had a similar experience sitting English exams as an adult, chose to give my short verbal presentation on the death of Groupe Mobile 100 during the French Indo China war.. I think the bored (at least one chose to demonstrate his ignorance!)teachers listening weren't aware of the French in Vietnam, one asked why the french were moving combat troops in a road convoy, they had plenty of helicopters........
First PowerPoint I ever gave was on the the attack on Pearl Harbor in 8th grade English. Unsurprisingly, it was also my first experience with my audience falling into “PowerPoint Coma.”
@@t.mitchell9135 Power point coma is a serious condition. I suffered greatly from it in highschool.
@ Commodore Squid Good on you young man. Passing on a very historical moment in naval warfare. Hopefully you can spark an interest in all of your class, but if you get ten interested then you have been successful.
Im amazed at the sails question the ghost of Jackie Fischer didnt appear and begin a rant about hating sails
So what I'm seeing here is that the Battlecruiser Engagement is basically a MOBA game, but one of the British players refuses to make callouts other than "I'm fighting them now!", and another one seems to have forgotten his push-to-talk button. We'll call these two players B33-T, and SayM00r, respectively.
Lol honestly I think an online game would have better organization than that.
@@BoisegangGaming Given the level of coordination I've seen in WoWS _without anyone communicating,_ I'm inclined to agree with you.
@@CiaranMaxwell i mean, the minimap giving intelligence data means a lot of the guesswork is done for you. That, and you already know beforehand what types of ships you'll be fighting and how many.
@@TheRealTburt Agreed. The point stands, regardless.
Fantastic video! The in-depth look at the Battle of Jutland and the tactics of Beatty and Hipper is riveting. Really well-presented-can’t wait for Part 2!
30:26 Thanks you for taking the time to mention the HMS New Zealand. Too often our countries contributions are ignored or forgotten by most people.
The crew of HMAS Australia were pretty annoyed that they missed Jutland - was the collision between the two ships a plot by HMS New Zealand?
Okay, who'd want to travel back in time to 1914 Scapa Flow just to see the entire Grand Fleet at anchor? It would be a glorious sight...
Or to see the Grand Fleet Sally forth!
@@marko11kram And to the sounds of what marches, I wonder.
That, the Great White Fleet departing for their world tour, Nelson’s and the Spanish Armada departing for Trafalgar and so many others
@@spartanofrome5945 And what about the Combined Fleet after Tsushima?
How about the invasion force sitting off of Okinawa, the largest seaborne invasion fleet ever assembled. The invasion fleet was larger than Overlord on D-Day.
9:29 MHV definitely sounds like a German admiral trying to convey his strategy in English for a youtube video.
I wanted icons to begin appearing on the screen.
I wasn't expecting a short "cameo" of Military History Visualized
@@Kevin_Kennelly how about Bismarck at 20m ish
@@1983jarc This made me realise how nice it would be for Drach to remaster his old Operation Rheinübung with Bismarck as Admiral Lütjens
@@LazyTestudines Woow that would be great!
"The Proverbial Cotton Wool Rabbit being chased through Hades by an asbestos Terrier"
What a glorious turn of phrase.
"Twas inspired by the insanity of the moment when I spoke. How else to call great chariots of the sea chasing each other into armageddon?" 😉
Is that a common British proverb? Seems rather... specific.
No but it is the kind of family saying that'd get you (almost) arrested by Inspector Morse.
Born 'n' bred in the briar patch was I sez 'brer rabbit.
Thank's again for making us revive this heroic event. Respects to both nations brave sailors and officers.
Do you happen to know what kind of toy ships he is using? I’m sorry to disturb you but I’d love to buy a set for my husband!
I have no idea how a major motion picture of Jutland was never made
Agree completely have imagined it on the order of Midway only with better actors. I just cant see it being complete with one movie, maybe a trilogy like Lord of the Rings. Special effects galore, no way would you Dunkirk it.
I think it's because it has a confusing ending technically it's a British victory, but they don't do much visible damage in a way you could display on screen. Therefore it will be a bit odd as only a few ships are sunk more British than German because the Germans ran away. Half the battle happens at night where not much occurs and doesn't involve main characters of the theoretical film. I think also the number of ships involved would balloon the CGI budget so much that, that alone would be too much if not bankrupt production before it's finished
I’d imagine the costs would be astronomical. Would love to see it though.
@@Hollows1997eh, nowadays you can probably pay a game studio like wargaming for the rights to the 3D models and use them, or simply work with them for the CG. Not that it WOULDN'T be expensive, but it wouldn't be impossibly so.
Could do like Ford vs Ferrari did and use Beatty as a sort of "Antagonist on the heroes side" to tell the tale of the British doing their best under an obstructive and petty commander. Unlike Ford vs Ferrari, you wouldn't have to exaggerate or alter Beatty that much to make him a villain.
Admiral: Hoist the colors!
Ensign: Which one?
Captain: All of them!
Ensign: Which one? Captain: Yes.
When going big is mandatory because going home simply isn't an option.
Retired recently and had a mighty list of things "I will do when I get the time". Discovered this channel and ,today, this video has made me take that list simply sail to Scapa Flow, scuttle it and settle back into a more productive and enjoyable retirement
This is what we’ve been waiting for
This is the most excellent description of the Battle of Jutland I have ever encountered.
Thanks for all the knowledge, massively appreciated!
This is truly an excellent account, amongst the very best I have read or heard. There is a lot I didn’t know or perhaps forgotten. In the finest traditions of this channel.
There is an audio recording at the Imperial War Museum in London where a survivor from HMS Indefatigable, who was thrown into the water with another survivor, witnessed that man’s head taken off by a shell.
In Steven Roskill’s book HMS Warspite, he recounts an officer dissuading two ratings from to chipping the fuse from a dud German 12’ inch shell during the battle.
I am currently writing a verbal family account the battle.
Do you happen to know what kind of toy ships he is using? I’m sorry to disturb you but I’d love to buy a set for my husband!
Yes, Derfflinger was firing in almost "practice conditions"... but failed to hit anyone for TEN long minutes! On the other hand, Lutzow and Moltke, the two ships targeted by two RN ships each, beat their opponents to a pulp!
You perform better when you are in immediate danger.
@@shellshockedgerman3947 No, getting hit reduces combat efficiency and short shells obscure and impide sighting, it is definitely a disadvantage.
Of course, the RN ships were lousy shooters.
@Jurassic Aviator 5th was the only exception due to their guns, 4rd had been in training for a short period only, them and Iron Duke were accurate at barely medium range and while firing unopposed.
@@trauko1388 I think a shellshocked German will know better than you 🤷♂️
Considering how the average loading time for battle ships was around 30-40 seconds plus the range and natural spread of shot, 10 minutes to do major damage isn’t bad.
Oh my god oh my god oh my god I’m a grown man and I’m giddy like a small boy for this video from you! I’ve been waiting for this for a long time. Thank you!
Saper that !
Stunning work. Drachinifel, BZ to you and everyone who helped with this. I never realized how hard Beatty worked to hand the complete victory to the Germans.
Do you happen to know what kind of toy ships he is using? I’m sorry to disturb you but I’d love to buy a set for my husband!
That line of ships putting out massive black smoke plumes at 14:46 is such an awesome picture of that impressive era.
Major Harvey VC, what a hero that guy was, genuinely amazing act of heroism, RIP.
Also,
I've seen quite a few documentaries and youtube commentaries on the battle of Jutland, but this is my favourite already!
Ah!!! The Harvey legend, lets see what Campbell says about it...
"Two or three minutes after the hit, the Lion's Chief Gunner, Mr Alexander Grant, visited `Q' magazine, and while there, one of the working chamber crew arrived in the handing room down the trunk, and told the Chief Gunner the state of affairs. Orders were given for the magazine doors to be closed and later for the magazine to be flooded. At 162 8 the Chief Gunner was approaching the hatch to the handing room on the main deck, when a large sheet of flame came up the hatch killing several of the fire party in the vicinity. As soon as the smoke had sufficiently cleared, a party headed by the Chief Gunner went down to the handing room and other compartments, and found half the shell room crew in the shell room burned to death, as well as the magazine and half shell room crews in the handing room and switchboard flat. The paint in the handing room and shell room near the hoist was blackened and blistered but by no means all burnt, and the switchboard was blackened but intact.
It was conjectured that the fire had spread from the gun-house to the working chamber via the electric cables as they were the only things burnt as opposed to blistered or blackened. All that is certain, however, is that a smouldering fire in the gun-house spread in some manner to the working chamber and ignited the charges there. The effect of the ignition of the eight charges that were between the handing room and 4ft above the working chamber, was very violent, although vented by the absence of part of the turret roof, and by the handing room hatch being open. The flame went as high as the mastheads, and `Q' magazine bulkheads were considerably buckled and bulged inwards although supported by the water in the magazine which had probably by then been completely flooded. If the magazine had still been open, the Lion would, without any doubt have followed the Indefatigable and Queen Mary.
The above account is largely taken from Jellicoe's memorandum of 16 June 1916 which contained notes on the more important damage to the battlecruisers and the Warspite and was later reproduced in Grand Fleet Gunnery and Torpedo Order No 15 on the lessons of Jutland. There is no mention in this of the part played by Major FJW Harvey, RMLI, the officer of the turret, except that he sent a messenger to the bridge to report that the turret was out of action. Major Harvey was awarded a posthumous VC for giving orders to close the magazine doors and flood the magazine when he was mortally wounded; in the event the order to flood the magazine came from the Captain to the transmitting station, and William -Yeo, Stoker 1st class, special messenger to the transmitting station, was the man actually sent to order `Q' magazine to be flooded. The transmitting station asked for the order to be repeated, as the Lion had partially flooded `A' magazine in error at the Dogger Bank battle, and Grand Fleet Gunnery Orders after the action had indicated that the person in charge of a magazine, if there was no fire there, should take steps to find out why the order to flood had been given, and inform a responsible officer of what was occurring.
In this case it was fortunate that `Q' magazine was flooded in time, as tests later showed that magazine doors as then fitted, were by no means flash tight when closed. As it was, a venting plate admitted a tongue of flame into the magazine but no harm was done. At that date magazine venting plates were fitted in handing rooms, so that a sudden pressure rise in the magazine from spontaneously ignited cordite would vent into the handing room and thence up the space between the fixed and revolving turret structures, and also up the turret trunk. They were not flash-tight in the reverse direction.
Many lives might have been saved if orders had been given to clear the whole of `Q' turret once the magazine had been flooded, and it is not clear why the charges between turret and magazine were not returned to the latter before closing the doors, which would have prevented the cordite fire."
Yeah, some British author wanted and succeeded in inventing a "hero", no doubt the guy had connections.
@CreedOfHeresy That is your first problem, if you dont know him, you dont know Jutland.
www.amazon.com/Jutland-Analysis-Fighting-Maritime-Classics/dp/1558217592
@CreedOfHeresy LOL!!!! Yes, Campbell has no clue and has not written extensively on the matter to the point his book is the golden standard for the battle... but you know better... right?
LOL!
@@trauko1388 I am utterly confused on what is being implied here.
Do you mean that Harvey never existed by going off of Campbell's book? Or is it the other way around? Or neither?
i knew Jingles was old but I didnt know he fought in the Battle of Jutland. LOL :P
He'd made it to Captain all the way from Ensign at Trafalgar.
Lee Well he finally made amends for that incident at Lepanto
Peter Nickle what did he screw up there
Me: Man, I'm missing some good old battlereports.
Drach: Jutland part 1.
Me: EXPLODES
You shouldn't have removed the blast doors from your excitement magazines
@@LuvLikeTruck XD
Hm. There seems to be something wrong with our bloody UA-cam commenters today.
There seems to be something wrong with our bloody Santiago Trujillo Tobons today.
1916: Wanna see me lose the pride of the fleet to ineffective damage control and lax safety protocols?
1941: Wanna see me do it again?
Hood: *scared screaming*
Eh, the Hood probably took a 15 inch shell directly to the forward magazine though the main deck. And if she did then nothing short of that magazine being flooded before she took that hit could have saved her.
Edward Teach Not quite right. Hood was lost to a direct hit aft that most likely struck the upper belt, which was only 7” thick, before then passing through the upper armoured citadel slopes, before finally fetching up in or near the aft magazine. A one in a million shot.
@@crabbyguy2737 Ah, thanks for the correction. It has been a while since I looked at a detailed account of the hit. Either way the original point stands. Only better armor or an already flooded magazine could have saved her.
Edward Teach No problem, and aye, considering the hit she took, only the added armour from her proposed refit or a flooded magazine could have saved the ship, you’re pretty much correct there.
Meanwhile the gun crew of Malaya, just having recieved a non-penetrating hit from a main caliber from one of the nine ships they were simultaneously engaging: "We had no thought that we should come out worse than the enemy, but wanted to know just how many German ships were still afloat to be finished off."
Alternative title: "Beatty's Bizarre Adventure: Something's Wrong With Our Bloody Ships!"
"Incompetence: navel addition"
You thought it would be an actual useful battle tactics BUT IT WAS ME, BEATTY!!
P.S. "WRYYYYYYYY" - exploding Battlecruiser, probably
@@nickcher7071 all I can see now is Beatty doing a Vince McMahon "it was me all along!"
The Germans should have awarded medals to Captain Jackson ("Where is DK located"), Beatty, and Seymour.
Give one to Evan Thomas while you're at it, he's hardly blameless for the first turn mistake. "I am an Admiral, I am paid a large wage to command the most modern ships in the fleet. Yet it takes me 10 minutes (while still going North East) to figure out WHY my immediate commander has turned SE and increased speed." There's "obeying orders" and there's "being thicker than your armor plate."
@@drewdederer8965 As Thomas had Stated Following the Battle, He Had Believed Beatty Was to Signal a Different Course to Him. In Addition, Apparently, Those Within the Grand Fleet Had Been Taught to Follow Orders, Not to Act Without Them.
@@CapLP7800 Excuses, he was a freeking admiral, not a hollow suit. Plus he's recieved the same radio messages. And "only following orders" was listed as problem #1 right after the battle. Also "he believed" so he WAS thinking, just not very well.
@@drewdederer8965 As Commander of 5th Battle Squadron Beneath Beatty, It is His Job to Act Under the Orders of His Superior, Not to Act of His Own Accord. Just as It is the Job of Beatty Alongside His Staff to Correctly Transmit Orders.
@@CapLP7800 Beatty actually sent that order properly (by aldis lamp) it was missed. Thomas was not on the bridge at the time. When he got there he spent 10 minutes (running Northeast the entire time) to come to the conclusion that Maybe he should follow to the Southeast (he's an admiral he is paid a rather princely sum, you'd think he could come to the decision "follow the flagship" in less than 10 minutes (especially with an "enemy in sight" known). Evan Thomas salavaged a lot of his reputation in the later battle. But his dithering pointed out exactly what was wrong with the Navy. The system could not tell everyone exactly what to do, and too many officers did not think unless absolutely forced to.
You need a strong stomach to listen to the recounting of thousands of men dying horrifically. Major Francis Harvey especially shook me up
Why I joined the Army. You Salts can have that.
Eh not really. You just need to live more and toughen up.
Not even that... but all at once. Death coming not in ones, twos or even a rare dozen.... but potentially in the thousands with barely a moments notice.
@@mntahoe_2957 I should have said "Those with compassion for other human lives"
I love that you had all the important personalities in the battle voiced, while you narrated the action, it added another dimension to the telling that I really appreciate. This must be, what, the fifth time I've watched these Jutland videos, so bravo sir, very well done.
Anybody else think they recognise the German voices from 'Military History Visualised' and 'Military Aviation History' ? Another couple of impressive guys.
Rob Val theyre literally listed
Great to see this getting a special treatment and also going into detail on the command challenges, communications issues, and the still extant technical issues with fire control and the tricky North Sea environemnt.
Major Harvey, they don't build men like that anymore.
As a US Marine, I salute THIS hero!
@@cwulfe1 This American "thing" is so awkward to see. Do you go to Mcdonalds and say "As US MARINE I'd like a big mac". You can make a point without trying to score browny points you know
I seem to recall hearing of some in Afghanistan that performed as well gravely wounded and under fire.
@@tommeakin1732 or you could be respectful and not a dick. 🙄
And perhaps he wanted to make clear he was not a Royal Marine - no need for the snarky reply
At last, the infamy of Beaty exposed. The vengeance of Drach for death and endangerment of the poor bloody ships.
Beaty deserved to be either shot by the British or awarded the Iron Cross First Class by the Kaiser.
Simon Waldock There is no reason those need to be mutually exclusive
I saw somewhere else that Beatty actually had an extra pair of buttons sewn onto his coat just so he could look cooler than everybody else. What a douche.
Could have been worse, fortunatey Charles Beresford had retired...
@@yes_head other way around, he had two fewer buttons on his jacket so he'd look cooler, and wore his hat cocked to the side for that caddish flair.
Beatty under the command of Rozhestvensky would be interesting to watch.
"A convoy of fuel-air bombs - Part Deux*"
*introducing Rear Admiral Hognose commanding the 6th squadron.
#and-now-we're-really-screwed
Do you think the navy is made of binoculars?🤣
Flying binoculars abound
Rozhestvensky: *smirks*
Beatty: In your dreams, RAGEstvensky the Mad Dog!
Rozhestvensky: Say that again and I'll kill you!
Beatty: *sheepishly sarcastic tone* Scary.
Beatty: something seems to be wrong with our ships today sir
rozhestvensky: *beats Beatty with a pair of binoculars*
This video, and the full series for that matter, are the Drach videos I’ve watched the most times. These and the adventures of the 2nd Russian Pacific squadron starring the long suffering Admiral Zinovy Petrovich (Mad dog) Rozhestvensky, may he rest in peace.
SAME.
And may he rest knowing he will never again lay eyes on the Kamchatka. Just in case he did I'm sure the Heavenly Host would provide him with some suitably explosive binoculars to throw 👍🏻
While Drach's voice is great, having cooperators voicing different personell is even greater.
Too true I almost fell of my chair when I heard The Mighty Jingles voice a section. 😄
@@reager90 made my day
He also got rid of that annoying bell thing between sections from earlier videos.
Same haha. Had a huge grin on my face when I heard TMJ voicing warspites crew
Come on Karl, HMS Falmouth stole the show... 😄
Castles of Steel by Robert Massie is an excellent and detailed book on each major battleship engagement including Jutland during WWI, amazing what people back then went through
An excellent book, complementing his "Dreadnought."
Brilliant book. I didn't like Dreadnought though.
I can only imagine the horror of being a coal shoveller.
@@Jezza_One Dreadnought was hardly about, well, Dreadnought. The antics of Kaiser Bill were the only thing that got me through it
I have never liked Beatty and this video does nothing to polish his reputation.
Sadly, he *looked* the part of the dashing and daring Admiral, which rather outshone in the public eye Jellicoe's more measured and effective leadership. We should be grateful that despite it all, he never had to lead the full Grand Fleet into action.
Didn't Jellcoe say he was the only man who could lose the war in an afternoon.
Sad but true, Beatty screwed up almost everything during this engagement, Jellicoe's performance was generally excellent yet he was eventually replaced by Beatty
@@markleuck That's what propaganda and politics does sadly. sm
@me hee the Kamtchatka alone is enough to send Beatty running .
Beatty's stationing of the fifth battle squadron was considered defective, as leaving his battlecruisers in the lurch. You can argue that he had no opportunity yet to discern the potential harm to the so-called, splendid cats, but his error counted most on the day. Churchill wrote he was a cavalry officer at sea, which puts him in Custers boots, only he never tried to cross a river to obtain the native women, and never got killed while awaiting the fifth battle squadron. No insult to the natives, just highlighting the comparison.
Love the theatre. Just a friendly suggestion from a fellow creator regarding your guests' audio: considering running them through a compressor to flatten the dynamics and bring up their volume to balance it with yours. I find myself yoyoing my volume knob while listening in my car.
Though even if you don't, I'll still be listening! Keep up the great work
Do you happen to know what kind of toy ships he is using? I’m sorry to disturb you but I’d love to buy a set for my husband!
Now I understand why Drach is furious with Beatty and Seymour. Even I am furious despite not being as knowledgeable as he is.
Do you happen to know what kind of toy ships he is using? I’d love to buy a set for my husband
My great grandfather was cook on HMS Laurel who picked up the few survivors from HMS Queen Mary. He said he'd never forget what he saw in the water that day.
Last time I was this early, this was live coverage.
"There's something wrong with our ships today." 😁 This should be a good one.
with our bloody ships eh...admiral beatty commanding several battlecruisers in the van of Jellicoes grand fleet.. love to read about this battle! my fav quote though has to be..Hurrah boys..we caught them napping..lets finnish this business and return to our station!..Custer at the Little Big Horn..
Yes yes yes battle of Jutland is by far my favourite event of naval warfare, very much looking foward to part 2 so thank you Drach for the attention to detail!
“The battle-cruiser HMAS Australia collided with HMAS New Zealand”....lol
When in truth they're 2000 miles apart.
The trans-Tasman goofiness isn't a new thing. Just a little less high stakes these days :-P
Bloody kiwis
@@rabbi120348 Really?
Keen to see more on that.
Too ironic otherwise 🤔
@@chrisdebeyer1108 www.google.com/maps/dir/Wellington,+New+Zealand/Sydney+NSW,+Australia/@-37.2283274,153.9645018,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x6d38b1fc49e974cb:0xa00ef63a213b470!2m2!1d174.7731458!2d-41.2768778!1m5!1m1!1s0x6b129838f39a743f:0x3017d681632a850!2m2!1d151.2092955!2d-33.8688197!3e4
2225 mi
My god, I have waited for this for so long I almost forgot I wanted it...
Edit: also are those little models from some kind of tabletop game?
You can say that again.
I bought the entire force from both sides and got them painted to provide illustrative pictures :)
@@Drachinifel OMG thats amazing
@@Drachinifel There was no need for you to that but you did because that's the type of gent you are i tip my hat to you sir thank you
@@Drachinifel Are they from Magister Militarum? I've been tempted by those a few times, just waiting for the money god to smile on me
Saymore hoists the wrong signal flag: The Movie.
signal reads: tea time; invite the enemy...
Beatty is incompetent and his flag officer is useless, and other tales
@@sawyerawr5783 From what I read of the story Beatty was hailed and Jellico scapegoated. I look forward to the next episode.
Bruh just use the detonation flag
@@andywomack3414 দেন
So Part 2 is about the clash of Jellicoe and Hipper after this?
Can't wait for that.
You have given the best understanding off this engagement I've ever seen what a fantastic effort .you sir are a master historical story teller
Something that I've never been able to comprehend is what it would be like to witness a Dreadnought's magazine detonate, like in the case of Indefagitable. Hundreds upon hundreds dying in a heartbeat, ripped apart more violently than you can imagine. An explosion so large it can rip a ship that powerful in half. The power of an event like that is unimaginable
Indefatigable was a Battlecruiser, not a Dreadnought.
Epic commentary, setting new standards, cast list is awesome... thanks to all contributors
Good job on all the voiceovers people.
HMS Australia rammed HMS New Zealand ey? Well nothing new there then and its been going on ever since :)
Thank you for this, Drach. The event was such a melee that elements tend to fall out of the picture. That the role of the smaller units isn't ignored is welcome.
Love the way you acted on requests for names of ships on the pictures! Really adds to the experience, and is greatly appreciated. The dates are a good bonus.
This is the best I have seen on You Tube.. I especially appreciate the use of multiple people for the parts making it much easier to follow what is being depicted.
Hearing that about Major Harvey brought tears to my eyes. A damn good man.
Is It Just Me Or Did I Hear The Mighty Jingles Voice-Overing Cmdr Walwyn?
Also Drach, who were the other voice actors
The list of participants is in the description and, yes, Jingles is Warspite's Captain.
Stephanie Wilson thanks didn’t notice
I heard jingles voice and got a tad too excited
yes, other credits are in the video description.
@@stephaniewilson3955 as he should be.
UA-cam algorithm actually made a great recommendation this time. This was fascinating and very well done. Thanks! :)
I've been saving this video for when I have a bout of insomnia! I have looking forward to this event for quite some time.
Drachinifel thank you for your continual informative indepth analysis,of naval campaigns, also your cooperation with Seth and toti on their program.
Cdr Waldwin of HMS Warspite became Governor of the Dominion of Newfoundland from 1936 to 1946. He was very well thought-of locally.
Drach! Stop this! I should be working!
Btw:
See, open, like, and mark to view it later at home 😅
Ah, I just listened to it anyway.....work comes second place to this!
Right there with you. I managed 15 minute during my lunch break....
Finally, I've been waiting for this video longer than Beatty had time to learn competent gunnery tactics
This battle has intrigued me since my older brother bought the Avalon Hill board game “Jutland” in the 1960’s. It was basically a miniatures game in cardboard. For one thing we didn’t have the floor space for it so we never really played it.
My grandfather served in the "Kriegsmarine" in WWII and he said the battle of jutland was a Navy holiday in the German Navy after WWI.
Tactically, it was a German victory. The end result though was the British still maintained sea control simply by still having superior numbers. And while Jellicoe was ready to sortie within 36 hours, The High Seas Fleet, particularly the battlecruisers, would require considerably longer to be battle-ready.
Wednesday is my "beer day". I allow myself to have a beer once a week on Wednesdays during this pandemic times, being stuck at home. Now, Wednesday, Drach's video, my beer - its entirely new quality. I cannot wait for the evening!
In 1973, during the Arab-Israeli October war, my FBM submarine was deployed to the North Sea in order to encourage the Soviets to not interfere in that conflict.
We were at 600 feet submerged, making 4 knots on station, while topside a huge gale was making 40 foot waves, and we were taking 10 to 20 degree rolls at that depth.
I can't imagine what a U Boat would have been like trying to operate in those kind of seas from less than 200 feet submergence (more likely PD, with some unavoidable time spent on the surface recharging batteries), but merely broaching would have been the least of it.
Me: I'm going to do productive things this summer
*discovers this channel
Well shit, there goes all my time
This is a true masterpiece for history fans, plus having this all-star cast for impersonation of the ships is a real treat in itself. Love Admiral Jingle's style of narration, he is an amazing storyteller.
Ok I have watched a LOT of u tube and this (with all my favorite guests) is the best I have ever experienced. I literally don’t have the words to complement everyone involved.
it's here. stay calm everyone... NEVERMIND. IT'S HERE!
I'm about to end this man's whole career
How In the earth are you even still alive let alone still driving people crazy
It wasn’t until54:45 that you actually said something competent
@@suzylstanton I'm not going to lie I forgot this comment existed until now.
@@Sir_David_Beattywell, I guess that isn’t surprising considering
@@Sir_David_Beattyhow are you even alive? you know what I don’t want to know?
great video the voice actors despite the obvious jingles, bismarck and mhv were awsome
"I took a very dim view of events" could have been the motto of the Royal Navy for much of what occured during the initial stages of the battle - as was aptly stated by Leading Torpedoeman Thorne aboard HMS Necator (at 42:40 of the video) when he saw what was transpiring. Together with Admiral Beatty's unforgettable "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!", the two quotes are typical of British understatement.
(It was also obvious that something was terribly wrong with the bloody signals the Royal Naval vessels did - or moreover, did not - send to each other and Admiral Jelicoe during many stages of the battle !).