Could B-1b Carpet Bombing Or Nuke Stop The 1941 WWII Pearl Harbor Attack? (Naval 48) | DCS
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Aren’t there any anti-ship missiles in DCS? I would think a flight of airplanes launching Harpoons or Exocets would do the trick.
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We don't like to talk about the Exocet. Call it a conspiracy theory but the French gifted those ghastly missiles to the Argentines knowing very well they would deplete the Royal Navy, opening the door for French trawlers to enter British waters and steal all our Cod and Haddock. Obviously a ploy to starve the British people.
@@SpazmodicAndroid That definitely sounds like a conspiracy theory. But then again, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they really aren't out to get you.
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Wouldn't you want an air burst to maximize its effect? And, I'm pretty sure Operation Crossroads showed this would work.
Actually, underwater explosion of a nuke would be most devastating for ships. If I am not mistaken..
Also crossroads was underwater..
This is actually fairly consistent with Crossroads. The capital ships present remained afloat iirc, while smaller destroyers were sunk. You have to hole them under the waterline to sink them. The water surface itself deflects a lot of the blast, with relatively little energy being transmitted into the water.
@@jackroutledge352 Yep. I think the best way to go to take out fleets is with a nuclear torpedo. It would create a sufficiently large and hot bubble in the water to sink entire fleets. There might be a shock effect under water as well that ruptures hulls, but I am not so sure if nuclear blasts propel shockwaves under water very well, it might be that the vaporisation of water doesnt make for a good material to conduct shockwaves. Either way, a 150m diameter bubble of steam doesnt make for very smooth sailing for anyone nearby.
Yep anyone saying airburst is better is forgetting basic physics. Water is denser than air, so the shockwave carries a lot more energy. Undex is the real killer for ships
The issue is that dcs doesnt simulate people. All of the crewmen on every one of those ships would have been killed from the nuke, but that doesnt mean the nuke would have necessarily atomized each hull in the flottilla. The ships may have survived but the sailors? no way.
That's not how nukes work.
@@OneMoreDesu That close to the epicenter everything is getting a lethal dose of radiation. These weren't vessels hardened against nuclear attack. Everyone on those ships would quickly start suffering from radiation sickness wiping out any chance of unit cohesion and likely within hours all would be dead. They were in the blast radius of that thing. They all fucked.
Neutron bombs do work like that.
Yes, a 14kt nuke would most probably not instantly sink a big ship even half a mile away, and its destructive force would decline rapidly after that. (nukemap calculates light blast damage at around 2 miles away) But the decks would be ripped clean and even with the dedication of the japanese army at that time, i guess the morale blast would hit bigger than the bomb itself. i cant imagine the operation would go on after that.
btw: if you search youtube for "operation able" you will find pretty much exactly the same experiment happen in real life.
@@OneMoreDesu After the Crossroads Baker test, most of the old WWII warships were still afloat. Burnt out, smoking, and radioactive, but still floating. Any crew aboard would have been toast.
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Well, that carpet bombing had a VERY bad attack vector. The attack should run along with the line of the carriers not at an angle.
in real life the moment the bombers are spotted, the fleet breaks apart and that is that. no attack vector would be considered ideal, and you would be contending against ships that can see the bombs as they are falling. This is why real life bombers with dumb bombs were never used in fleet actions. They tried a couple times, but never in real life did any get direct hits against a ship. This is probably the best you could hope for in a real life scenario, and the reason why every major naval power develops anti-ship cruise missiles that cost as much all of the bombs in this video put together.
Wouldn't carpet bombing be more effective going from bow to stern? You'd get more bombs on each ship
The entire concept of dropping gravity bombs from Bones is ridiculous. Im sure that you could sink all six carriers with a handful of precision guided 2000lb bombs from a single airframe.
The LRASM has been fully integrated on the B1 for a while now. Each of these planes can carry 24 of the things.
That's why dive bombers existed in WW2. Horizontal bombing is useless against moving targets.
Fun fact, a rather famous US Carrier from WWII had a 22KT Nuke airburst 2km away from it during operation Crossroads in 1946 and suffered major damage which didn't actually sink it. It took a 22KT Nuke sub-surface burst around 400m from it in a second test to totally take it out.
The nuke tests a Bikini Atoll showed that nukes against a fleet are extremely effective. The damage to each hull may not be extensive but the ships were sank as a result of the sea beneath them being vaporized or the massive waves generated from the explosion. I am not sure the mechanics for that are present in DCS. Entertaining none the less.
And what about the crew being irradiated? A ghost ship may be scary but certainly not lethal.
even if the ships are left intact they will be heavily irradiated by an underwater nuclear detonation. The hulls of any ships left floating will be covered in radioactive mist rendering the ships unusable. Underwater nuclear attacks are the dirtiest when it comes to the destructive potential of the fallout.
No... they weren't. Only 5 ships were sunk out of 20 from a nuclear detonation. Underwater detonation increased this to 10. Most of the damage was to the humans, who would have suffered from 3rd degree burns and radiation sickness.
@@randallporter1404 radiation, even in very high doses, is not instantly lethal.
Harry Daghlian, who took what is believed to have been the highest radiation exposure taken by anyone with his Demon Core accident, took a day or so to become seriously ill and 20 days to die.
Come on Cap really? Common sense tells you to have the bombers attack in the same direction the carriers are moving. Giving the the full length of each carrier to hit. Attacking the direction they did, the outcome was obvious. Only a couple bombs could hit it therefore little damage. Think of how much damage 10 or 12 bombs hitting the length of a carrier would cause. You said if the number of bombs dropped didn't do anything, you didn't know how many would. Well to answer that question, all you would need is one bomber per carrier. If the bomber is accurate, like I said, a line of 500lb bombs hitting down the length of the carrier should do a lot of damage. Maybe try the MK84. I know the B-2 can carry 16 of them and the B-1 can carry a bigger bomb load. Pretty sure 5 or 6 Mk84 hitting a carrier would cause some serious damage. I am related to Einstein but I don't think I needed to be to understand that.
Can't say how disappointing the nuke was. Could just be me but for some reason I thought the explosion would have been much bigger. Like much, much, much bigger. DCS does not do this or something. If they don't want to show an actual nuke explosion, why would they even have it available in the game? Anyway still enjoyed it as I usually do with your videos. Keep up the good work.
Attacking in that manner just guarantees that if your first bomb misses all of them will miss
The amount of effort to make the actual effects of a nuke in DCS wouldn't be worth the effort. They could just add a big fireball but it would either have to look really ugly unless you were really far away or it would absolutely tank the framerate of the game. It would also require tons of animations and ground scorching effects which would be even more difficult for the game to render and would still look terrible. It doesn't really even have much tactical use so why bother.
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Imagine writing an essae about it
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The sonic booms of the B-1s were just spine-tinglingly good. I remember the sonic booms from Concord flying supersonic over where I lived and they also used to raise the hair on my skin. To be honest, I miss them - the booms, I mean, like they were a daily reminder of one of humans’ greatest technical achievements.
Multiple 500lbs hits on at least three of the carriers? The bombing worked, it's just the damage model that's utterly borked.
bad angle of approach too.
The ships damage models are too tough, I think. At Midway, we got one hit on the Akagi, one to four on Kaga, three on the Soryu, and four on Hiryu. None of the carriers survived those hits.
Yeah a well placed gbu 16 could kill a carrier
And IIRC, those were 500lb or 1000lb bombs, too.
@@No1sonuk the ones dropped in WW2 were 1000 lbers.
You have to factor in the bombs and fuel on deck at the time, they made a huge difference to the damage the IJN carriers took.
The reason those ships sank then was because of improper ammo and fuel stowage, not necessarily because of the pure power of the bombs themselves.
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B1s flying over the deck axis at 40k feet would destroy each carrier. They couldn’t take evasive action. The first notice of the attack would be bombs hitting the water astern and then walking their way across the deck from stern to bow. These aren’t B17s for God’s sake. They have advanced targeting computers that would drop them at precisely the right moment to hit the carrier moving in straight line. They would not miss like you seem to think would happen, hence your poor decision to attack broadside.
Was the object to stop Pear Harbor or destroy carriers? I imagine the attack on Pearl was stopped with bomber strike.
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If this was real, any of that would have stopped the attack. In real history, a couple of bombs through the flying deck of aircraft carriers was often enough to sink em or make them useless until it was fixed in a shipyard for months. DCS 2 needs actual damage localisation on ships.
They were lucky to get the few hits that they did. IRL the B-17 attacks against the Japanese ships at Midway and Luzon were spectacular failures.
@@pogo1140 There is a fairly massive difference in bombing precision between the 2 platforms.
If this was real, B1’s wouldn’t be carpet bombing the Japanese. It’s not real, they are fun simulations.
@@quokka7555 That really does not change the validity of my statement...
@@JacenHawk that’s because my response was to the OP, not you.
Hasn't this been tested in real life, after WWII using old warships and actual nukes? I do not recall the exact out come, but I remember the actual water wave basically overwhelming and sinking the ships
Yes, that would be Operation Crossroads. It was found that a nuclear blast (airburst or underwater) would cause significant structural damage to ships in the vicinity and expose their crews to dangerous amounts of radiation. Further, an underwater blast would cause significantly more radioactive pollution, permanently contaminating affected ships (i.e. rendering them unfit for service whether they sank or not).
Operation Crossroads on Bikini Atoll. Able Shot was airburst and did alot of damage to the ships. Baker Shot was underwater moored below Landing Craft LSM-60.
@@calmterror uss Saratoga survived the Able shot but the underwater Baker shot ripped the bottom out of this venerable Carrier
Yes, but the nuke was 50% bigger than the one used here.
1995, I'm walking on the campus of Radford University in VA (USA) and a B1B flew over and you didn't hear it until it was already passing overhead. Incredible aircraft.
I used to live just off the runway of Dyess AFB, Texas. When a B-1b would do a full power takeoff, it would actually shake the lightbulbs loose from the hanging fixture above our dining room table!
Your model is very flawed. Speaking as an NBC officer (yes I'm dating myself) Able/Baker aka Crossroads used a 20Kt device and ships within 900 meters were severely damaged and sunk and out to 2000m every ship was severely damaged and irradiated. Using a 15kt device would incurr the same results and within hours of the test, the carrier groups at the center of the formation ( assuming this is the target) would have shown significant numbers of radiation sickness patients. Anything on deck would have been swept off and planes below may or may not have functionality, but discounting the flash, blast, and initial radiation effects, within I doubt many of the planes would have reached their targets.....anyway..interesting to watch
I should have read farther down before posting my comments. Not an NBC officer, but did do the (very old) three week course. *NOT* fun stuff.
I started our as enlisted 11b then 13F then switched to armor 19C as nco then xommissioned as a 12A. Got a second qualification being 74A 5 years later after having been NBC NCO and acting CML officer. Interesting story there running an NBCEE as a junior officer. Anyway..
A nuke would have definitely stopped the pacific war.
"Hey guys don't attack pearl harbor we already have the thing"
*The what?*
I think the nuke should have been exploded at an optimal height in the air, rather than aiming for a ship.
Hey I just started watching your channel and really like your videos but as a POL troop in the USAF I couldn’t let this slide, the B1 is nice and in real life have the biggest payload then both the B2, B52 but they’re stupid unreliable, that’s why they’re getting retired Infact the first 17 B1s got retired in October the AF is getting rid of them and the B2s (Big AF doesn’t know when yet for the B2s) to make way for the new B21 which they think will be out mid 2020s. I’m stationed at Barksdale AFB and put fuel on the B52s.
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@@CrackCrackCracker it really is, the job isn’t bad here itself but I hate waking up and smelling the sewer in the air too, and when I got here my 1SGT said to keep away from south Shreveport cause some one getting shot every weekend, they even shot up the county fair they had like two months ago.
@@matthewlandes185 I used to date a girl that was stationed at Barksdale 20 years ago. It wasn't that bad back then like it has become now. I just has become a huge cesspool now on the south side.
Two Mk82 are not enough to sink a carrier. But 10 near miss of 500lbs bombs are far more than enough to get the job done. Basically, DCS doesn't have mechanism to accurately simulate naval things.
dont really need to sink a carrier to put it out of action. How is anyone going to take off or land on a carrier with a giant hole in the middle of the deck.
@@joshuaortiz2031 Yeah, just one or two bombs can be enough to disable a carrier. But what I mean is in this clip's situation, the carrier was going to sink anyway because of underwater line damage. There're no way a ship can float with dozens of hole bumping in water.
Next up, would an alien invasion stop the Norman conquest of 1066?
It's crazy that the USA was only 3-4 years away from being able to do the second one.
I’m guessing that a sonic boom from a low flyover would make the Japanese of 1941 turn around and run.
I want to see when maxing out the load of all the B-1 Lancer with the nuke. Carpet bombing with with nukes
Meanwhile in real life: *IJN Carrier dodge all the carpet bombing*
That first pass was more effective than I expected.
I worked on B-1s in the mid 90s. Sexy plane. 😁
A b1b carries 8 LRASM cruise missiles. They have a 1000pound blast fragmentation penetrator warhead. With all the fuel and bombs they had on decks and below just 1 of those would set off a chain reaction. Plus they are stealth black since the radar on a b1bnis ages ahead of anything then they could launch at night over the horizon and kill ever carrier and still have a couple left for the 2 battleships left in the fleet. They would hear the noise of the missile approaching but not see them and boom. By the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in air lol. That would be the easiest way because you don't want to irradiate those oceans by Hawaii or the west coast or have an fallout cloud over Hawaii or the west coast. Cruise missiles is the way to go.
The B1 should be able to carry 24 LRASMs. 8 in each of it's bomb bays. That's 24,000 of warheads that they could deliver to the Kido Butai without even leaving Pearl Harbor's airspace.
B1B is a close terrain following bomber, try the same load out but at 100 feet off the surface.
Small hits on Japanese carriers were deadly because of the way they stored their aviation fuel.
The previous comments were correct! Air burst blast, at about 1,500’ would do the trick. There will be nothing left of the entire flotilla.
For those who think the damage model is wrong on the ships or that the nuke is underpowered, I present to you Operation Crossroads en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossroads This was an attempt (two really) to see what damage a nuke could do to a fleet of ships, 95 to be exact. Five ships sank (yes, just 5) and a further 14 had serious damage in the first test and 9 sank in the second, a tenth sank five months later as radioactivity prevented repairs. And that is the key here, radioactivity spread far and wide affecting far more ships and personnel than the actual blast. Oh and each bomb had a yield of 23kt, 9 more than the one in this video.
The ships might have been floating, but the crews were basically toasted.
@@keptinkaos6384 Yes indeed. It gave rise to the idea that a nuclear weapon would be a great anti personnel weapon. Kill the people but leave the equipment behind to be re-used by your men. Completely ignoring the fatal radiation levels.
Worth watching the shot baker footage: ua-cam.com/video/gy6-ZKWCoH0/v-deo.html
An Aerial nuclear blast above the Japanese fleet would've been more devastating, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was over 16KT of TNT a conventional nuclear bomb would've been over a 130KT. Also The B1's and 52's was designed with a Sniper laser designator. Increasing bombing accuracy....considering those options yes they would've stopped them, but once they returned to the future. Their success would've destroyed the presence as we know it.
No it wouldn't, the simulation is fairly accurate. The bikini atoll tests proved that nukes are fairly worthless against warships if they are reasonably placed apart. Even when tightly clustered, a nuke only sank 5 out of 20 warships.
Army bombers dropped a shitload of bombs on Japanese fleet in the opening act of Midway. They did almost no damage. The Japanese fleet took evasive action to spoil the bombs targeting.
Based on the bomb load of the B1 vs the bomb load of the planes at Midway, they just dropped about 3 times as much ordinance as the Army and Marine planes from Midway were able to carry.
@@chrisdoe2659 Perhaps. My main concern is that warship AI isn’t that great.
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At least they would carpet bomb alongside the ship.
IRL it would be more like several passes with aimed groups of bombs, would be a hell lot more effective.
why not 100 B1s dropping mk 82? theres no limit in dcs besides how long the servers stays without crashing
were nice to see the whole pearl harbor attack simulated with modern planes/ships (attackers and defenders) :)
How about B-52Ds with the Big Belly modification, 60,000 lbs of 500lb bombs per plane, a cell of 3, each plane carry 108 bombs (Total - 324 bombs!) Or go crazy and carry a cell(s) of 750 lbs bombs exceeding 80,000 lbs! You have to light on the fuel to take off and refuel in midair. Have a squadron of em, like 10 cell or 15 cell - two cells (6 B-52Ds) can demolish an area 5/8 mile wide and two miles long! The altitude would be at or around 30,000 ft in a triangle. The mods are 84 in the bomb bay in clips with 12 bombs on each wing.
A B1b has the biggest payload of any U.S strategic bombers
The US tested a nuke against captured IJN ships and old US ships after the war most of the ships survived which the navy celebrated. But they knew little about the affect of nuclear radiation at the time if any sailers survived they would of died from the radiation within a matter of a day or so.
You need to use a subsurface nuclear detonation to reliably do significant structural damage to warships. See the operation crossroads tests for more details.
Yeah I think with modern optics and electronics delivery would be better- angle of attack calculated differently would have done more damage.
Which airshow did you see the B1-b's at? I saw them at RAF Waddington around 2000. It was the 9th bomber squadron from Dyes Airbase, net some of the crew. Amazing aircraft.
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There would be so many sailors with radiation burns and blindness if they were topside. A few days later they would all be dropping like flies.
I reckon that normally a couple of 500lb bombs would have been annoying but not sunk the carriers... but in the middle of flight operations with dozens of fully armed and fueled aircraft on deck the bombs that hit would have done catastrophic damage.
The Nuke should have been exploded between 500-1000 feet above the carriers. The airburst would have killed everyone on all ships. I know that it's not modeled, but the explosion that did happen would have capsized most if not all of the ships if it hit the water.
A good percentage of the crews of those ships would be dead in a short period of time from radiation exposure.
Dick Best nailed Akagi with one 1000 lb bomb. It started a fire that gutted the ship.
The state of Japanese damage control was such that a single bomb hit would likely have led to catastrophic fires which would have doomed the ships. I argue this for a few reasons:
-I believe that because of the relative scarcity of steel, Japanese carriers used cast iron for their fire mains. Cast iron is brittle so would probably rupture or break at a bomb hit.
-The Japanese could not isolate segments of their fire mains, so any breach would make them useless.
-The Japanese did not purge their hangar fuel lines prior to battle. The USN had only recently started this, but if their fuel lines got breached, that would be bad.
-The Zeros did not have self sealing gas tanks, so any explosion would rupture those fuel tanks would be bad.
-IIRC, the Japanese also did not generally have open hangar decks which hindered their damage control.
Did the nuke air burst or was it submersed. The Bikini Atoll tests showed that subsurface detonation was more affective and wrecking naval vessels.
Now try again with 8 B1's armed with 2000 lbs boms each fitted with a Jdam's kit. Or throw a 5 megaton warhead.
should have inserted Bikini beach footage that would be the most accurate representation of a nuke strike on a carrier group. I guess the software has its limitations. but good work.
To be most effective against a naval flotilla you need an air burst. In other words, you need to be able to set the altitude at which the bomb detonates. I do think that DCS is not properly modeling the A bomb. A ground burst should have done more damage IMO.
Actually what I remember from NBC school in the Navy, a shallow sub-surface blast would do the most damage to a fleet, first by breaking the keels of the ships by lifting them out of the water (as well as eliminating any pesky submarines lurking nearby), then by spraying radioactive fallout all over any remaining ships that weren't sunk.
Please see the 1946 Bikini Island test, Operation Crossroads against a target fleet. A 20 Kt bomb dropped from a B-29 devastated the entire fleet.
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With the nuke, the ships might have survived (see the US Navy's tests along those lines), but the crews wouldn't have, and the damage done to the ships would have rendered them non-functional. So the damage model is borked. Putting a few 500 pound bombs on target, particularly a carrier, would have done enough damage to make it combat ineffective at the least. You can't launch or recover planes with a big hole in your deck.
Not sure. It would depend on how far apart the ships were located, how far from ground zero, and a few other factors. Since the models on the screen are most definitely not to scale, we can't really tell. However, I've got some charts from back in my old, CBN days (Army). If somebody knows how big the fleet was (diameter, perimeter, whatever), I can figure it out. But if it were a 15kt bomb, basically, anything inside approx 0.25 km would be atomized, anything inside approx 0.33 km would be severely damaged (blast), radiation would damage anything inside approx 1km, and 3rd degree burns just short of 2 km. So a bad time would be had by all. If the fleet's spread was less than 2km, it would basically be utterly destroyed/unable to function.
So, just how big was the Japanese fleet? Anybody know its size (diameter in km)?
-- interesting exercise --
Actually, you want an air-burst for maximum effect with a nuke. I believe the optimal altitude is something like a couple hundred feet. Assuming the visuals were on point, it kinda looked like the nuke narrowly missed the carrier and splashed into the drink before detonating.
Best thing ever four B52’s carpet bombing back to back at Red Flag! The concussions were incredible, one of many experiences I will never forget.
The ships like the USS Pennsylvania, Prinz Eugen, and various other carriers and ships survived the Bikini and Kwajalein Atoll hydrogen bomb tests very well.
There is a good argument that the ships would survive. The issue is that any aircraft on the deck would have been blown off. Any ordinance on deck would have ignited. So where the structure of the ship would have been good. Functionally, it would have been disabled.
Anything that can drop a 2,000 lb JDAM guided bomb.
You dropped that nuke a little low there. Nukes are not exactly the thing you want to hit the target with directly. You want nice height so the IR and Gamma radiation can hit from above and can't be blocked by anything.
Hey Cap. In real life, US forces actually tested the nuke on a bunch of old ships during the bikini atoll tests. It was deemed ineffective for taking out ships. This video was more realistic than you realize.
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How come there no huge wave of water? Most of the nuke testing video you find in UA-cam there is a tsunami of water after the blast.
I think ADM. Yamamoto will have a damn hard time apologizing to the Emperor about this massive disaster.
That was done seriously good aiming from Simba.
Not a guided nuke is it?!
the nuke can be dumb dropped but to guide it you need to ignite the flare on the back of it so the bombardier can guide it in with his mad skills
What about cluster bombs and q high/low attack like Midway? I watched your stealth carrier attack where you kamikazed the carrier, prevented planes from taking off and allowing the f117s a path. What would happen in you cluster bombed the 40 or so planes on deck before they could launch? Also the AAA was men on deck shooting..could thin that out on the support ships, maybe even use incendiary bombs. Your second wave has the big bombs and walks in with far less resistance. Just a thought
A nuke is more destructive when it is air burst above the target
Maybe you should try AJS37 platoon, with rb15 anti-ship missile?
A pair of Vulcans would be nice to see.
In real life the B1b's do carry a larger bomb load than the B-52.
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Opening the bomb bay doors at super sonic speeds is stupid. Same as dropping landing gear. The air pressure would rip them off. The term has been around at least the propeller days. it's called overspeed.
Go too fast under the wrong conditions and the aircraft comes apart and everyone dies, Full stop, I
believe you'd say.
( dumped long winded rant ) Just do your research before you run a mission. It won't look quite so silly.
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Why so many bombers? With 70+ years of tech advances I just send 2 bombers. Lets handicap them with dumb iron bombs and no anti ship missiles.One bomber will lure all the fighters away while the other take their time to do a bomb run. All you need is a 2000 lb bomb on each carrier. Carpet bomb is an out of date technique, not compatible with the surgical methods nowadays, where you can aim for a certain part of a carrier and bomb unmolested, any 500 lb bombs left can be used on the ships next to it.
Even if the Nuke didn't destroy the carriers that would have stopped the attack. They'd probably have gone and thought "WTF just hit us??? Maybe we should rethink this plan."
Mute Point… America’s military/industrial complex wouldn’t have wanted to stop Pearl Harbour lol.
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The force that Midway sent up against Nagumo's fleet included a few B-17s. The carriers could see the bombs and were able to maneuver to avoid them. Level bombing moving ships doesn't really seem to be an optimal strategy. It was fun to watch, tho.
I downloaded the ww2 aircraft and ships, but the planes don't appear when I fly the mission a made. The p38 was only a set of rockets and bombs soaring through the sky. The zeros are in the aircraft folder, but not the mission editor. Any suggestions, sir? Thanks. Your videos are great fun to watch
Have you also installed the plane mods??
How about one B1 with a load of AGM-158 missiles?
You know what would be funny... take a C5 put some Abrams tanks in the back with parachute config and fly in and deploy the tanks onto the IJN CV flight deck.
Could a single Eurofighter Typhoon stop the first wave Dresden bombing?
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If you dropped a nuke and it inly took out one ship then its wrong so all the other thins you’ve done were also wrong. Maybe carpet bombing would have worked at least messed up the flight deck enough to prevent other aircraft from taking off
you know the more video's I watch, I notice some sims are being decided that this or that would not work with the problem including AI or limits of the sim software. Never ever forgot the pilots. In combat some fighter pilots are just better then others. Also some commanders. There are some pilots who alone could put a bomb or two on every ship and out fly everything out there. There are some that might even fly a B1 like a fighter plane.
Hey CAP can you make a tutorial video on how to get out of flat spins in FC3 aircraft (especially the flanker)
Not entirely sure how to do it myself :(
the nuke should have been launched from around 15000 ft..with the fuse set for detonation at around 300 ft ASL....the carrier group would have been obliterated
A surface nuke would take out all the ships. You're leaving out heat and blast damage as well as radiation poisioning. Since the fleet is within say 1-2 miles of each other, everything is irradiated
the damage from the nuke seems right considering the test done in Bikini. the carriers involved in that were only decommisioned due to the radiation many of the ships survived intact the Nevada even survived 2 nuklear detonations in those tests and was later only sunk by being used as target practice for torpedoes and bombs.
Wouldn't the blast shock wave capsize the ships. Not only that but the heat from the blast would have cooked all the sailors.
Considering the fact that level bombing by B-17s etc vs ships in the Pacific had spectacularly terrible results I am actually surprised that any of the carriers were hit at all.
Modern bombers have computers, and those computers know the aerodynamics, and flight characteristics of the bombs, it knows the altitude and the impact point. When it releases, you will have an impact within 50 feet of the determined impact point.
@@harrystone8847 Ummm, no. Once the bomb is dropped it will be subject to cross winds and shear forces all the way to the target, none of which are or can be known by the aircraft or its computer. F-105s in Vietnam had a CEP of around 450 feet using state of the art bombing computers, during Gulf War II the hit rate of dumb munitions only averaged around 5.5%. There is a HUGE difference between theoretical and actual bombing accuracy, no matter what the munition or guidance type.
@@rags417 Ok. I don't know what I'm talking about. 24 years in AF, working on aircraft, worked 19 years at a bombing ranges, scoring bomb drops from bombers. Yep. Don't know nuthin'.
@@harrystone8847 Yeah me neither. What are cited facts anyway except my own opinion ?
Yes, you should have an air burst at about 100 meters for max damage.
Heck I think just a low pass overflight at supersonic would be more than enough just to deter them!
Considering the damage done by an underwater explosion in Test Baker at Bikini Atoll, I would think that a Subsurface hit would have devastated the IJN's Carriers if they were in that tight of a formation and the center of the carriers' formation (ignoring the center of the entire formation, and targeting the center of just the CV's) would have been devastating!
The nuke didn't work because it is supposed to explode above the group.
How about single B52 with Castle Bravo?
Telling the US Navy it was known that the attack was coming might have helped ?
have you guys ever given a shot at doing Mig alley or any ov the air to air engagements or bombin rus like linebacker 2 during the vietnam war, bet those would be real interesting especially if you matched current aircraft by role to the aircraft actually used and replaced the old with the new to face the fighters of those time periods
Good idea
@@grimreapers if you ever played the game ace combat series relesed by NAMCO, particularly the ones formated for PS1and PS2 they actually incorported a lot of their engagements from historical battles from what one of the DA"s has stated. Don't know how true that is but one engagement from the title game Ace combat X : the Belkan Conflict has two absolutely hug dogfigts that take place at something called the Round Table. This Engagement was erily similar to an actual event where North Korean Chinese and Russian Fighter air craft were in a massive engagement with the US and several pilots from China and North Korea went rogue and tried to defect and were literally hunted by a joint Russian Chinese squadron to prevent those defecting pilots from turning over their aircraft to the US who had a weaker and less agile fighter in the Saber as opposed to the Russian MIG-15 which was heavily used by both Chinese and North Korean pilots, and led to Russian Pilots who were better trained and also training both Chinese and North Korean Pilots to fly the Mig-15 being heavily used in places like Mig Alley but primarilly to counter American bombers with Russian pilots at the controls. I flew this op as a challenge from my son after having watched him smoke anything that came into his sight so being a dad and having a competitive nature took up his challenge and got my ass handed to me for the next thirty six hours staight lol. So while on my next deployment (USMC MOS 0321 at that time, roughly 2006) I had a buddy via his family find and purchase a PS1 which I never played on and a PS2 and every Ace combat game they could find. When I wasn't outside the wire or otherwise on duty I sat in front of this rinky dinky 13 inch tv and mastered every game till I got home. before long every one in my unit was playing those games, even the cheap as co-op option just so I could come home and say HA your old man ain't some nubb watch this shit Jr. Found your videos here on youtube and have been binge watching with my now 19 year old son and looking up computer games and the neccesssary components we'll need to get started our Man cave just got scheduled for a major revamp and upgrade to accomidate two flight control stations. Any advice on games components (flight stick and thrust module) CPU and monitors would be greatly appreciated, hopefully one day we'll share the unfriendly skies shooting down bogies with you or bombing some strategic target to shit lol. Time to get back to your absolutely awesome content and plan our future fun Grim- Jericho 1-4 and Legion3-7 Oscar Uniform Tango-