Like they said!... Hand are a story you can read, I'm 63, and love this sensitivity and expression in the gesture. One music instrument depends to hands who manipulates it, not only the theme or presets. That's where you can listen the real life of the instrument, far more than a technical machine. It's the third time I listen to this video and not the last. That's why I will have it over me Juno 6, with a CME UF 70, or my studiologic 88 midi, I feel the soul of this instrument, particularly with those called 'Presets', really the voice of the prophets, some so well known, others i discover here wich are hand to hand to my music. Love 🙏🧡💚👍👍👍
NOTE: Due some changes done in the several PRO-800 firmware versions which reflect in the way it plays, the library comes with 3 versions: one to use if the PRO-800 runs a firmware version before 1.2.7, one to use if the PRO-800 runs the firmware version 1.2.7, one to use if the PRO-800 runs the firmware version 1.3.7 or newer.
@@SEMIWORLDWIDE It works well with percussion sounds and the envelope shapes are changeable in the settings. They can be linear or exponential, slow or fast.
@ that’s cool to hear thanks for the info man! I love the prophet sound and thinkin if i could catch two things at the same time with a budget; the synth and some analog drums, especially a kick. Have the poly d but the envelope is pretty sloppy for drums on that one. Thinking of selling it to buy pro800. Don’t really want to since it sounds great and has some cool stuff going on too, love the analog distortion and chorus in it and u can put stuff through it, but the pro800 would add more of the flavor i’m lookin for and is so versatile….
I've owned both an original Prophet 5 (Rev 3.2) and a Prophet 600 (and upgraded it to Gli Gli). THIS has managed to capture tones from both, and does it extremely well. Nice demo!
I also owed an original Prophet 5, a Prophet 600 and then, for more than 20 years, a Prophet T8. The Behringer PRO800 is quite close. Something different in the Poly-mod section, and surely on the output audio stage. BTW, an excellent synth, also considering the price...
@@stefanodaino both of you have been pretty honest about your appraisals. I have been explaining to certain poster that the P600 is indeed based on the P5, but they're adamant it isn't. Page 4 of the P5 manual states otherwise, that Sequential wanted to provide a more affordable synth based on the P5. The fact you can get something close sounding for very little money is brilliant imo.
@@DankePlace You are correct about this, both the P5 and 600 are VERY close at times, and with Gli Gli upgrades mine sounded identical for many sounds on the P5 Rev 3.2. This Pro 800 is a real bargain and the synth snobs can cry all they like, but in my studio this will sit close to the main controller, it's that nice.
Yeah, the synth and patches sound nice, but what really shines through and steals the show is your truly inspiring musicianship. Bravo!!! I´ll definitely be coming back to your videos for educational purposes ;-)
Ah... Dang It! I've had one on order for months but after watching 20-30 demos where people used an arp to demo and felt like I could probably make most of these sounds with other gear I have and I cancelled my order. I've honestly not heard a good musician play one until this video! Such good playing and the Pro-800 is delightful when played with touch and character... now I wanna get back on the wait list... ugh... thanks!
Sin duda, y a mi juicio hay que estudiar BPoly D y B2600. Con esas tres máquinas tenemos el mundo entero. Sin falta tiene que saber tocar el teclado... un poquito ;-)
I keep coming back to this video. By far the best patches for the 800 on all the UA-cams. Everyone else seems to go for the harsh leads and pads. These patches sound like true Prophet patches! Warm and mellow.
Your playing is beautiful. These are great, highly playable, highly usable patches. I'm hoping Behringer improves the Synthtribe application to allow for things like named presets (like the factory presets in bank A) and tweaking of features without menu diving. It's a great synth for the money and already two firmware updates since I've had it, so room to grow.
Bought the patches and it took only a few minutes to install the sysex librarian that is recommended and the patches. Works all flawlessly. I run the 1.4.4 firmware and used the 1.3.7 version patches, no problem there. Thanks Stefano for your great work and for answering my emails. These patches are a BIG step up from the factory sounds, best $19 ever spent!
These are really good sounds that bring out both the sound of the PRO 800 and are playable and inspires to make music - just bought the soundpack and its worth every penny 👍
It is indeed a pleasure listening to a real musician playing a synthesiser well these days! Excellent sound demo and possibly the best I have heard so far for the Pro-800, which is more than a capable instrument and creative sound machine.
In anticipation of my Pro 800 arriving in a week, I've been watching a lot of demo videos. This is, by far, the best I've heard it sound yet! It's not just the excellent programming... you really know how to play! Thank you!
Amazing thing behringer brings out such powerfull units for a fair price. They really think about the musicians so they can have good stuff to create music.
Nothing beats a Prophet when it comes to mellow warm brass or string sounds. Sounds where the filter isn't opened up fully. I think it beats most Oberheims for these types of sounds (but the inverse for the more open sounds)! Same with the Roland Jupiter 8 which kind of also does more "open filter" sounds better.
Great demo and great playing. I used to gig a Prophet 600 back in the 1980’s. Didn’t sound as good as this! Liked the Emerson riff towards the end. Well done!
There are really gems in this sound set. 💎💎💎 Very customer oriented that these patches have been updated for free as the newer firmwares have been released as the envelope behavior is quite different there. Thank you! 👍
The first good demo I've seen from this Synth and somehow I knew there is more 'bout this poly synth than the earlier demo's I've seen 👍🏼✌🏼 Useful musical sounds, happy to hear no EDM sausage. Consider buying this patch bank first, then buying the Synth 🙃😇
Посмотрел с десяток видео на тему PRO-800, в основном в ускоренном режиме и на перемотке. Кое что там есть, но этот ролик лучший, без дураков возвращает в прошлое, в аутентичную атмосферу Prophet-6. Просто автор чувствует характер этой неподражаемой материи и умеет играть, а не умничать научно, перепутав лабораторию с мышами с божественной мастерской музыки. Спасибо за шикарную презентацию😅 Привет из России/Советского Союза
just bought it .. exactly what u hear is what u will get here .. perfect and what agreat work between prestes with the volumes too .. sometimes they can be very aggressive and nice choice of sounds too..
Dude, 21-29.... from Weather Report to johan johansson to Sigur Rós.... really interested in getting one of these, but f the time being all I can afford f now is a Pro VS Mini, hahaha (which I'm very excited about). Great playing (actual playing) mate! One of the best PRO-800 demos out there. I'd buy it based on what you showed here!
my first synth was the juno 60 when i was 15. it had a single oscillator per voice. it cost at the time about 3500 Swiss francs. this one costs a little more than a tenth of the price of the juno and has two oscillators per voice. it's incredible !
Just a list of my favourite David Sancious albums you and anyone stopping here might want to search for on UA-cam, in case you don't know them. They're all on UA-cam, last time I checked. Some awesome music here and a definite inspiration for anyone into that Soul/Funk/Jazz analog synth vibe. Enjoy. David Sancious & Tone- Dance Of The Age Of Enlightenment David sancious & Tone True Stories David sancious Forest of Feelings David sancious Just As I Thought David sancious Transformation (The Speed of Love)
When closing my eyes right from the beginning I was sure you were playing on a polymoog, baloran the river or the like. Behringer did an incredible job with this one! I would love to see a 16-voice version with 6-octave fatar keybed.
Best presentation so far! A lot of reviewers only focus on mono/univoice-mode for making strange sci-fi-sounds... This is a polysynth, and I think it's perfect for classic 80s stuff...
Excellent playing and sound and great chords , chord smith like your self , Clare Fischer would have enjoyed had he still been on earth who even made DX sevens sound sound great with his unusual chords , cheers , subscribed , PS wow , it still has that lovely creamy glow , that few soft synths can get , but i am being picky ,thanks for Demoing in such a musical way . 👍🏻🤓
Caro mio hai fatto la demo più bella del web di questo incredibile sinth: è quello che succede quando il bravo musicista ed il bravo sound designer si incontrano nella stessa persona...fra l'altro hai creato suoni che sono tutti musicali e musicalmente fruibili, lasciando ad altri sound fx e inutilizzabili birignau vari, complimenti davvero e quando comprerò questo sinth acquisterò anche le tue patches, sperando in futuri nuovi set di suoni.Complimenti ancora.
The design of the Prophet 5 (and by extension Prophet 600 and now Pro 800) being so versatile despite the relative simplicity is on fine display here. Only a couple of missing niceties and the Zilog limitations are long gone. (Hopefully they will add an exponential option to filter envelope amount and kick up the voltage at both ends of the range) All else being equal a P10rev4 is definitely still the king of old school polysynths, but this is 1/11 the price...
The last firmware for the PRO800 allows very good and fast ENV curves. The PRO-800 has an excellent Features/Price ratio, but there are several minor and major things here and there that limit the PRO800 compared to the original Prophets. The most evident is that the POLY-MOD section is ok but not as you would expect. Accepting the velocity and aftertouch, it could be even considered a Prophet T-8 alternative, but unfortunately the Velocity to Filter ENV does not cover the full range, with the result that the PRO-800 always sounds more closed than expected. I hope that will improve this and other things on next releases of the firmware.
@@stefanodaino I am still waiting for mine so it is great to get feedback like that from an owner. Hopefully it is physically possible to increase the peak sustain voltage level coming out of the filter envelope.
@@stefanodaino Behringer has just stated the range will be doubled in the next firmware installment. Does this mean you'll be reworking your patches if it happens?
@@odourboy Yes, if the new range of the parameter will have an effect on the current patches I'll release an update of the bank - for free for who purchased the current version, of course!
Came for the sounds, stayed for the playing! Awesome!
Like he said!
Like they said!... Hand are a story you can read, I'm 63, and love this sensitivity and expression in the gesture. One music instrument depends to hands who manipulates it, not only the theme or presets. That's where you can listen the real life of the instrument, far more than a technical machine. It's the third time I listen to this video and not the last. That's why I will have it over me Juno 6, with a CME UF 70, or my studiologic 88 midi, I feel the soul of this instrument, particularly with those called 'Presets', really the voice of the prophets, some so well known, others i discover here wich are hand to hand to my music. Love 🙏🧡💚👍👍👍
Totally !
Literally the same, lovely skills
So nice to hear someone who knows how to play demoing patches instead of the usual "throw on an arp and tweak the filter". Good job sir!
Washing machine players🤡 Music players
You have yourself a new subscriber at 14 seconds in …..a real keyboard player brings this prophet to life.
Exquisite just exquisite!!
+1❤
Can't help but get lost in your music. It's simply magical! 🎶✨
Great to see a musician play and do the synth justice! Brilliant sounds! ( Liked the quote from Trilogy at 3:43 !)
oh and I really dig synthetic electro acoustic sounds and the playing fantastic!
NOTE: Due some changes done in the several PRO-800 firmware versions which reflect in the way it plays, the library comes with 3 versions: one to use if the PRO-800 runs a firmware version before 1.2.7, one to use if the PRO-800 runs the firmware version 1.2.7, one to use if the PRO-800 runs the firmware version 1.3.7 or newer.
nice, are there any patch names included in the files?
Amazed by the organ/ep sounds you get out of this
Behringer should have paid you to make this the factory bank! Absolutely gorgeous sounds, purchased straight away!
... thank you so much, and YES! Please write also to Mr. Uli about your proposal... 😊
@@stefanodaino tweeted behringer about it. btw have u tried making drums/percs with the pro 800, are the envelopes good for drums?
@@SEMIWORLDWIDE It works well with percussion sounds and the envelope shapes are changeable in the settings. They can be linear or exponential, slow or fast.
@ that’s cool to hear thanks for the info man! I love the prophet sound and thinkin if i could catch two things at the same time with a budget; the synth and some analog drums, especially a kick. Have the poly d but the envelope is pretty sloppy for drums on that one. Thinking of selling it to buy pro800. Don’t really want to since it sounds great and has some cool stuff going on too, love the analog distortion and chorus in it and u can put stuff through it, but the pro800 would add more of the flavor i’m lookin for and is so versatile….
I've owned both an original Prophet 5 (Rev 3.2) and a Prophet 600 (and upgraded it to Gli Gli). THIS has managed to capture tones from both, and does it extremely well. Nice demo!
I also owed an original Prophet 5, a Prophet 600 and then, for more than 20 years, a Prophet T8. The Behringer PRO800 is quite close. Something different in the Poly-mod section, and surely on the output audio stage. BTW, an excellent synth, also considering the price...
@@stefanodaino It does sound really nice, ordering a unit tomorrow. T8 is a beast by the way ;0)
@@stefanodaino both of you have been pretty honest about your appraisals.
I have been explaining to certain poster that the P600 is indeed based on the P5, but they're adamant it isn't.
Page 4 of the P5 manual states otherwise, that Sequential wanted to provide a more affordable synth based on the P5.
The fact you can get something close sounding for very little money is brilliant imo.
@@DankePlace You are correct about this, both the P5 and 600 are VERY close at times, and with Gli Gli upgrades mine sounded identical for many sounds on the P5 Rev 3.2. This Pro 800 is a real bargain and the synth snobs can cry all they like, but in my studio this will sit close to the main controller, it's that nice.
@@marklawrence909thanks for your input. That’s nice to hear and reassuring.
Yeah, the synth and patches sound nice, but what really shines through and steals the show is your truly inspiring musicianship. Bravo!!! I´ll definitely be coming back to your videos for educational purposes ;-)
great sounds, but also great playing!
Such an emotional player. Love it. Ordered mine this morning, hope y’all enjoy!
Ah... Dang It! I've had one on order for months but after watching 20-30 demos where people used an arp to demo and felt like I could probably make most of these sounds with other gear I have and I cancelled my order. I've honestly not heard a good musician play one until this video! Such good playing and the Pro-800 is delightful when played with touch and character... now I wanna get back on the wait list... ugh... thanks!
order it from Thomman, it'll be to you in a week
sweetwater just stocked them a few minutes ago.
Yup confirmed on Sweetwater’s stock - just ordered. Hope y’all enjoy!
The String synth sounds at 19:40 really impressed me.
I could listen to this all day. Thank you
this is arguably the best product they've ever made
Sin duda, y a mi juicio hay que estudiar BPoly D y B2600. Con esas tres máquinas tenemos el mundo entero. Sin falta tiene que saber tocar el teclado... un poquito ;-)
I keep coming back to this video. By far the best patches for the 800 on all the UA-cams. Everyone else seems to go for the harsh leads and pads. These patches sound like true Prophet patches! Warm and mellow.
Excellent job on the sound design and congrats to Behringer on releasing one of their best products ever.
Creating these patches must have given you intimate understanding of this lovely unit, great job!
Your playing is beautiful. These are great, highly playable, highly usable patches. I'm hoping Behringer improves the Synthtribe application to allow for things like named presets (like the factory presets in bank A) and tweaking of features without menu diving. It's a great synth for the money and already two firmware updates since I've had it, so room to grow.
Playing beautifully like that is like having a superpower. You can make any synth sound beautiful.
Excellent playing! It's always lovely to see a demo that shows the musicality and capability of the different sounds in a synth. Superb!
Bought the patches and it took only a few minutes to install the sysex librarian that is recommended and the patches. Works all flawlessly. I run the 1.4.4 firmware and used the 1.3.7 version patches, no problem there. Thanks Stefano for your great work and for answering my emails. These patches are a BIG step up from the factory sounds, best $19 ever spent!
@stefanodaino…nice demo, and you definitely have me leaning towards making a Pro800 purchase.
NICE ‘Birdland’ reference by Weather Report at 5:52!
wow, from the King Arthur to the galaxy! fantastic demo. Thanks.
These are really good sounds that bring out both the sound of the PRO 800 and are playable and inspires to make music - just bought the soundpack and its worth every penny 👍
going through tough times rn...this calmed me down...thx, peace & blessings
I can relate! Same here 👋🏼
Very tasteful playing and excellent sound design. Bravo!
Best demo play ever, and your skills are amazing, make more videos like this.
It is indeed a pleasure listening to a real musician playing a synthesiser well these days! Excellent sound demo and possibly the best I have heard so far for the Pro-800, which is more than a capable instrument and creative sound machine.
In anticipation of my Pro 800 arriving in a week, I've been watching a lot of demo videos. This is, by far, the best I've heard it sound yet!
It's not just the excellent programming... you really know how to play! Thank you!
What a beauty and thanks so much for your wonderful playing
I must say, these sounds are the best I’ve heart from this synth
хорошо звучит! 👍🏻 Спасибо, Ули 👋 Стефано, тоже спасибо за демонстрацию!
The sound at 8:15 totally sold me. This demo is fantastic. Once i get my pro 800 I will happily buy this beautiful set of presets.
Some really good patches in here. Love the vintage Fifths patch and the organ one that comes after it especially!
What an absolutely fantastic sounding synth and terrific sound design
I listen to this at least a few tImes a week. Best demo on the Pro-800 yet. Sublime playing my friend!
Awesome. Picking up this synth. Your patches are as good as in my pocket
I’ve been using DSP-Quattro for years. I just found out you’re a very talented musician as well as a programmer. Very impressive!
Beautiful sounds. Fantastic. Lovely to hear someone who can actually play.
Your honor we caught him using tritone substitutions in a synth demo
Amazing thing behringer brings out such powerfull units for a fair price. They really think about the musicians so they can have good stuff to create music.
Nothing beats a Prophet when it comes to mellow warm brass or string sounds. Sounds where the filter isn't opened up fully. I think it beats most Oberheims for these types of sounds (but the inverse for the more open sounds)! Same with the Roland Jupiter 8 which kind of also does more "open filter" sounds better.
Best demo of this cool affordable Prophet clone and wonderful playing as well
I doubt theres a synth or keyboard that could make you sound bad. Great musicianship.
Good sounds, wonderful playing
Great demo and great playing. I used to gig a Prophet 600 back in the 1980’s. Didn’t sound as good as this! Liked the Emerson riff towards the end. Well done!
Stefano! In your hands the Pro800 sounds - made by you - fantastic!!! That is what I had expected a Prophet clone should be able to do!
Beautiful sounds and playing of course what are great tones without a great player
There are really gems in this sound set. 💎💎💎 Very customer oriented that these patches have been updated for free as the newer firmwares have been released as the envelope behavior is quite different there. Thank you! 👍
Thanks for helping me buy the Pro 800, your review is the best advertisement, you are a great keyboard player. the synth is really good.
Got one on the way , getting that 10 years old xmas vibe again at 42😂
The best progression chords I ever seen on the lovely Pro 800
Jazz man ?
Musicalement
The first good demo I've seen from this Synth and somehow I knew there is more 'bout this poly synth than the earlier demo's I've seen 👍🏼✌🏼 Useful musical sounds, happy to hear no EDM sausage. Consider buying this patch bank first, then buying the Synth 🙃😇
🌭 haha!
I like EDM but it’s nice to hear it being played by an amazingly good pianist on a broad set of styles.
Wow this was very nice id love to hear you playing on behringers other affordable modules!
Посмотрел с десяток видео на тему PRO-800, в основном в ускоренном режиме и на перемотке. Кое что там есть, но этот ролик лучший, без дураков возвращает в прошлое, в аутентичную атмосферу Prophet-6. Просто автор чувствует характер этой неподражаемой материи и умеет играть, а не умничать научно, перепутав лабораторию с мышами с божественной мастерской музыки. Спасибо за шикарную презентацию😅 Привет из России/Советского Союза
agree with everybody else, awesome sounds and awesome playing to showing them. You really get the feel of the synth and allt its capabilities
just bought it .. exactly what u hear is what u will get here .. perfect and what agreat work between prestes with the volumes too .. sometimes they can be very aggressive and nice choice of sounds too..
Dude, 21-29.... from Weather Report to johan johansson to Sigur Rós.... really interested in getting one of these, but f the time being all I can afford f now is a Pro VS Mini, hahaha (which I'm very excited about). Great playing (actual playing) mate! One of the best PRO-800 demos out there. I'd buy it based on what you showed here!
very rich soundscapes!
Sounds really beautiful - great simple analog sound
Loved the gospel blues kinda vibe on 08 and thanks for including a JS prelude 😍
Wow, godly playing here! Cant stop listening!❤
Wow , well played man. Just beautiful.
Definitely getting this. I missed out on the Prophet-600.
Great playing Tasty Musical Useful Patches Stephano You Are the Man!!!
my first synth was the juno 60 when i was 15. it had a single oscillator per voice. it cost at the time about 3500 Swiss francs. this one costs a little more than a tenth of the price of the juno and has two oscillators per voice. it's incredible !
Superb playing
Incredible playing!
Excellent job!
Outstanding Work - Thank You For Posting!
Just a list of my favourite David Sancious albums you and anyone stopping here might want to search for on UA-cam, in case you don't know them. They're all on UA-cam, last time I checked. Some awesome music here and a definite inspiration for anyone into that Soul/Funk/Jazz analog synth vibe. Enjoy.
David Sancious & Tone- Dance Of The Age Of Enlightenment
David sancious & Tone True Stories
David sancious Forest of Feelings
David sancious Just As I Thought
David sancious Transformation (The Speed of Love)
This video made me pull the trigger on getting one.
Wonderful playing. Thank you!
A good polyphonic synth needs a good player and you nailed it !
When closing my eyes right from the beginning I was sure you were playing on a polymoog, baloran the river or the like. Behringer did an incredible job with this one! I would love to see a 16-voice version with 6-octave fatar keybed.
The Pro-16 with five octaves is in the works.
@@titovalasquesdear god! Seriously?
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the one starting at 17:51 (A-54) is my favorite. Also the whole segment from 31:36 - 33:36, just fantastic!
Best presentation so far! A lot of reviewers only focus on mono/univoice-mode for making strange sci-fi-sounds... This is a polysynth, and I think it's perfect for classic 80s stuff...
Agree!!!
Bravissimo! Belli i preset magistralmente presentati fa un ottimo musicista. Complimenti!
my Pro-800 arrived today, bought the patch library today 😅 thx
Well done Behringer. That would make a great module for a MIDI guitarist.
Love the microwave esthetics on the left panel
Finally someone who can really play 👍
👍Very good demonstration ! Subscribed...
💙⚪❤
This will be my next one after my deepmind 12 purchase. Ulli is such a so great German musician instruments pioneer.
Excellent playing and sound and great chords , chord smith like your self , Clare Fischer would have enjoyed had he still been on earth who even made DX sevens sound sound great with his unusual chords , cheers , subscribed , PS wow , it still has that lovely creamy glow , that few soft synths can get , but i am being picky ,thanks for Demoing in such a musical way . 👍🏻🤓
I use your DSP Quattro and here I find you playing...very nice indeed
Caro mio hai fatto la demo più bella del web di questo incredibile sinth: è quello che succede quando il bravo musicista ed il bravo sound designer si incontrano nella stessa persona...fra l'altro hai creato suoni che sono tutti musicali e musicalmente fruibili, lasciando ad altri sound fx e inutilizzabili birignau vari, complimenti davvero e quando comprerò questo sinth acquisterò anche le tue patches, sperando in futuri nuovi set di suoni.Complimenti ancora.
Great job! Love your playing. Got mine coming tomorrow and can’t wait to dive in.
Behringer has been busy lately with great new synths....💯🔥👍
great playing!
finally somebody playing the fing thing Good Job !
Nice playing and nice Synthesizer.
cant wait to receive mine! 🎹
You have incredible expression on those lead patches.
Very inspired! Afterglow @ 30' 😊
The design of the Prophet 5 (and by extension Prophet 600 and now Pro 800) being so versatile despite the relative simplicity is on fine display here. Only a couple of missing niceties and the Zilog limitations are long gone. (Hopefully they will add an exponential option to filter envelope amount and kick up the voltage at both ends of the range) All else being equal a P10rev4 is definitely still the king of old school polysynths, but this is 1/11 the price...
The last firmware for the PRO800 allows very good and fast ENV curves. The PRO-800 has an excellent Features/Price ratio, but there are several minor and major things here and there that limit the PRO800 compared to the original Prophets. The most evident is that the POLY-MOD section is ok but not as you would expect. Accepting the velocity and aftertouch, it could be even considered a Prophet T-8 alternative, but unfortunately the Velocity to Filter ENV does not cover the full range, with the result that the PRO-800 always sounds more closed than expected. I hope that will improve this and other things on next releases of the firmware.
@@stefanodaino I am still waiting for mine so it is great to get feedback like that from an owner. Hopefully it is physically possible to increase the peak sustain voltage level coming out of the filter envelope.
@@stefanodaino Behringer has just stated the range will be doubled in the next firmware installment. Does this mean you'll be reworking your patches if it happens?
@@odourboy Yes, if the new range of the parameter will have an effect on the current patches I'll release an update of the bank - for free for who purchased the current version, of course!
@@stefanodaino well that was quick! B has just released 1.2.7 with the extended env range and re-enabled poly aftertouch!
Amazing demo, thanks man!
Nice presentation 👍