Selfishly I wanted Taker to retire undefeated. When I take my feelings out of it, I personally think it was the execution of ending the streak. It should never have been a last minute decision and the story should have been epic. That’s my true issue. I’m still hurt over the streak ending.
I don’t think the streak shouldn’t have ended but on his 6ft Under podcast Taker suggested Bray should’ve broke the streak. Lesnar didn’t need that win.
@@ianbyrne465 he went on to squash Cena but I think Brock could’ve done that without having broken the streak as build up. Not sure if anyone should’ve broken the streak because for the two people that did there wasn’t much benefit for them after. Brock was already a big name and Roman just got booed even more.
@@vishwaa5158 Yeah, I get that, but it just kept happening every time he came back. Like, he had a great run in the 2000s, and I'm not against him coming back snd having some matches every so often. But it was at the expense of the current roster, since he's holding the belt hostage, taking up TV time and getting himself over at the expense of anyone else. Breaking the streak, beating Big E for the title for no fucking reason other than to set up the Roman match to give him both belts (which was a dumb decision anyways, imo) it always just felt to the benefit of Brock, rather than the company. This might also just be because I read his book recently and the guy is a massive knob with an ego the size of a planet, maybe im just becoming radicalized into being anti-Lesnar
Maybe I would feel differently about Lesnar ending the streak if I ever bought the way they were trying to portray him. But, I didn't, and haven't ever.
@@MyPisceanNature I liked his run in the 2000s especially his feud with Angle, Taker, Big Show, then he left. When he came back I did have the same interest in seeing him anymore. I get people like to see the nostalgia of him because he was a stand out athlete when he debuted.
I agree with a lot of what you say but I still think it'd have been better if Kofi was at least kind of competitive against Brock, escaping a couple of F5 attempts, landing on his feet after a suplex or two, hitting a Trouble in Paradise...even if he lost in the end after 8-10 minutes. In Jinder's case, if he'd been presented as the Maharaja from the moment he came back and he won a couple of minor feuds, it'd have been less painful to see him win the WWE title. You're right about NXT 2.0, I think it needed to happen in order to have what we have now, although I don't see how Chase U and the Di Angelo family can adapt their gimmicks to the main roster. I think they're good for a small promotion with very loyal fans, but not for the big stage and a more casual/mainstream audience.
@@StoveToTheFacei always say the same thing. yes it’s sad but that feeling of shock and that emptiness in the arena that night that had about 80 thousand in attendance will never be replicated
•Austin turning heel, Rock going heel was cliche & no one could win clean (just should’ve had the Mania outside of Texas) •Cody-Roman 1 isn’t controversial anymore??? Seems like we want that trilogy in a few years, face roman vs heel cody !! •Rock vs Hogan not being main event still hurts
Totally agree about the Streak. Brock losing to Cena and tradins wins with HHH hurt his aura after returning. Once be broke the streak and squashed Cena at SS everything changed.
Imo Brock ending the streak makes sense in hindsight 1) he beats taker 2) squashes Cena as a result 3) this creates the beast as a huge force for 4+ years while wwe tries to force Roman 4) which then leads to Roman’s bloodline 5) Cody now
I agree with all of these takes, except maybe Shane... but you honestly did a lot to convince me on that one. And I'm from the Toronto area, and I was at WM18, and I just sat there amazed by the reaction to H*gan. Such a clear memory for me. Hope to meet you at Alpha-1 next month!
No no no Simon! Brock Lesnar didn't need to beat the streak to become the end of game boss, have you seen Brock?! He was that when he first walked into WWE. His stock would've risen back to that level regardless. What made it more wrong was that Taker was owed that win over Brock they'd fought many times before with Taker losing almost all those matches so this was the one to say not even Brock can beat this guy at Mania. We all knew he could or should've which is why it would've been the feather in the cap for Taker especially when a few of his WrestleMania opponents had been so poor and I hoped they (Vince) would give him that respect but I wasn't surprised when Brock won, I was shocked like most but not surprised as I knew it could happen as soon as Brock was announced as Takers opponent for Mania that year.
Honestly, I disagree more wore Simon’s Up and Down segments, but like wrestling in general, it’s subjective, fact of the matter he just seems like a genuinely nice guy, you can’t get mad at him
This is probably a hot take but I have never been a lesnar guy, so I don’t think the first 2 wins in this video were the right choice at all, and should have been anyone else or never happened, and I’m glad I took of break from wrestling shortly after mania 30 and returned may of 2022 because I feel like the decisions have been way better
Simon ready for a fight 😊 I can understand the rationale at that time. Build Brock as an unstoppable heel. Then Reigns beat him the following year and becomes the face of the company. Of course, none of this worked out that way but i can understand. But I still think Taker's streak should have been left intact. He should have retired after Wrestlemania 28.
Brock didn’t need the win and I’ve never liked Brock. I was one of the folks at home chanting fuck you at him and Goldberg in their shitty final match before they both left. I was rooting for meteor, they both suck.
Shane winning Best In The World i do NOT Agree with you about Simon. I Remember i was angry that WWE Basically wasted our time. That you supposed to be invested in this tournament. You has banger star after banger star in it. You get shocked to see them be eliminated by Ziggler and Miz. And then has an upset final (Which is okay happens in real sports to). But for then someone who was not even in the tournament win it. Made me feel like i just wasted my time. And that i cant be serious about tournaments in WWE again
I see where your coming from with some of the logic here but i dont think that makes WWE "right" even in hindsight. Kofi may never have had a chance to be built up the way he should have been but no way was THAT decision in any way a right one becuase of it he could have just lost to a Seth normally or something like that. I want to see Kofi get a revenge story on Brock still its not too late HHH!!
I like your content but what was the point of this video? There’s literally zero justification for anything with the Kofi/Brock match so if we’re just going to say ‘oh WWE was just stupid at the time’ isn’t that the whole point? That they were dumb and that decision was dumb?
Absolutely. I didn’t mind that he won but I didn’t really feel any excitement to it. Then he cashed in at Wrestlemania in exactly the way I thought he would. Didn’t expect a memorable championship reign with him, but actually, the belt made him I think. I don’t know if it’s how he held himself or what but he felt like a great champion. Actually invested in his story now.
I don't understand how WWE didn't always know Bret was the guy well yes I do Vince and his musclebound giant obsession, I don't care what Luger did in WCW he always sucked as did NXT 2.0 Vince again!
What you think about john cena becoming wwe champion i hope that happens and randy beats Gunther and cena ortan at wreslemania and cena wins but retires and then 2 terniments happen
Kofi losing in 8 seconds was the right call. If you watch pretty much any New Day match in the YEARS leading up to Brock beating Kofi it was almost always the same story: Big E was teaming with either Kofi or Xavier Kofi or Xavier start the match They get the crap beaten out of them and are on the brink of losing Hot tag to Big E who comes in to turn the tide or the match Kofi or Xavier tagged in at the end to get the pinfall victory It was great to see Kofi chase and win the title... but once he had it, it was a singles title and so there was no Big E able to come in and win his matches for him, so what else would you expect to happen when he faced a real challenge and had to stand up on his own two feet?
Gr8 vid n literally say most ur views. When u a fan since 92 uno a mark u enjoy all wrestling n u see bigger picture. Awe n u understand the 90%of attidue era ur 8 9 10 Yr old brain was jst wowed puppies. Mid laki on someone's shoulders top ripped massive swinging abt 98 a think defo a ppv
Selfishly I wanted Taker to retire undefeated. When I take my feelings out of it, I personally think it was the execution of ending the streak. It should never have been a last minute decision and the story should have been epic. That’s my true issue. I’m still hurt over the streak ending.
I don’t think the streak shouldn’t have ended but on his 6ft Under podcast Taker suggested Bray should’ve broke the streak. Lesnar didn’t need that win.
I tend to agree. That whole Lesnar run was just really baffling.
@@ianbyrne465 he went on to squash Cena but I think Brock could’ve done that without having broken the streak as build up. Not sure if anyone should’ve broken the streak because for the two people that did there wasn’t much benefit for them after. Brock was already a big name and Roman just got booed even more.
@@vishwaa5158 Yeah, I get that, but it just kept happening every time he came back.
Like, he had a great run in the 2000s, and I'm not against him coming back snd having some matches every so often. But it was at the expense of the current roster, since he's holding the belt hostage, taking up TV time and getting himself over at the expense of anyone else.
Breaking the streak, beating Big E for the title for no fucking reason other than to set up the Roman match to give him both belts (which was a dumb decision anyways, imo) it always just felt to the benefit of Brock, rather than the company.
This might also just be because I read his book recently and the guy is a massive knob with an ego the size of a planet, maybe im just becoming radicalized into being anti-Lesnar
Maybe I would feel differently about Lesnar ending the streak if I ever bought the way they were trying to portray him. But, I didn't, and haven't ever.
@@MyPisceanNature I liked his run in the 2000s especially his feud with Angle, Taker, Big Show, then he left. When he came back I did have the same interest in seeing him anymore. I get people like to see the nostalgia of him because he was a stand out athlete when he debuted.
I agree with a lot of what you say but I still think it'd have been better if Kofi was at least kind of competitive against Brock, escaping a couple of F5 attempts, landing on his feet after a suplex or two, hitting a Trouble in Paradise...even if he lost in the end after 8-10 minutes. In Jinder's case, if he'd been presented as the Maharaja from the moment he came back and he won a couple of minor feuds, it'd have been less painful to see him win the WWE title. You're right about NXT 2.0, I think it needed to happen in order to have what we have now, although I don't see how Chase U and the Di Angelo family can adapt their gimmicks to the main roster. I think they're good for a small promotion with very loyal fans, but not for the big stage and a more casual/mainstream audience.
In my opinion the Undertaker should have retired with the streak in tact.
Couldn’t agree more brother
Anything is better than brock winning
He wanted to retire so many times but Vince made him stay
idk the shock was worth it. It's always gonna be a amazing memory good or bad. I think it was a good decision.
@@StoveToTheFacei always say the same thing. yes it’s sad but that feeling of shock and that emptiness in the arena that night that had about 80 thousand in attendance will never be replicated
We can all agree that chin/bush with landing strip head was the wrong choice for taker
Lex doing the torture rack on Yoko would’ve been insane 🤣
I just wish Ginder would get more now! He does actually look the part while having a unique character
When the streak broke so did my heart. I have yet to recover.
& for Brock to end the streak had me sick to my stomach I can't watch any of WM 30 cause of that
@@Bears86SBI'm with you. I remember loving the WrestleMania until that happened. Couldn't even enjoy Daniel Bryan's win because I was so defeated.
@@Bears86SB not only that but also in a match that was... not goo- actually. Lets just say it. It was bad
@@nalday2534in taker’s defense he did get a concussion in that match
•Austin turning heel, Rock going heel was cliche & no one could win clean (just should’ve had the Mania outside of Texas)
•Cody-Roman 1 isn’t controversial anymore??? Seems like we want that trilogy in a few years, face roman vs heel cody !!
•Rock vs Hogan not being main event still hurts
Totally agree about the Streak. Brock losing to Cena and tradins wins with HHH hurt his aura after returning. Once be broke the streak and squashed Cena at SS everything changed.
Why on earth did they book Lesnar like that in 2012?
Ridiculous
Simon Miller has been fire with his uploads lately
Randy shouldn’t have beaten Bray at WM was what made the jinder win more annoying, just flubbed up a flub
I’ve never heard a co main event called a “sub main event” but I’m using that now 😂
Best part of jinders run is Aj starting his year long run
I just don’t think Lex was going to be able to put yokozuna in the torture rack lol😂
You done did it, I had to pause your video to hear the '90s luger theme. You are truly an evil man Mr Miller
Yo your American accent switch was crazy you sound like the classic American superhero 😂
Best story arc with 12. You could really feel his wrath.
Imo Brock ending the streak makes sense in hindsight
1) he beats taker
2) squashes Cena as a result
3) this creates the beast as a huge force for 4+ years while wwe tries to force Roman
4) which then leads to Roman’s bloodline
5) Cody now
If I'm going to lose. I'd rather get beat in 8 seconds and get paid the same as a 20 min match lol
I agree with all of these takes, except maybe Shane... but you honestly did a lot to convince me on that one. And I'm from the Toronto area, and I was at WM18, and I just sat there amazed by the reaction to H*gan. Such a clear memory for me.
Hope to meet you at Alpha-1 next month!
I def believe it was the right call having Lesnar win that's way more realistic streaks don't last forever it makes sense
No no no Simon! Brock Lesnar didn't need to beat the streak to become the end of game boss, have you seen Brock?! He was that when he first walked into WWE. His stock would've risen back to that level regardless. What made it more wrong was that Taker was owed that win over Brock they'd fought many times before with Taker losing almost all those matches so this was the one to say not even Brock can beat this guy at Mania. We all knew he could or should've which is why it would've been the feather in the cap for Taker especially when a few of his WrestleMania opponents had been so poor and I hoped they (Vince) would give him that respect but I wasn't surprised when Brock won, I was shocked like most but not surprised as I knew it could happen as soon as Brock was announced as Takers opponent for Mania that year.
The streak had to be ended, bu Brock had it all, they didn't need to give him the streak to still make him a monster or have a "final boss" vibe
Honestly, I disagree more wore Simon’s Up and Down segments, but like wrestling in general, it’s subjective, fact of the matter he just seems like a genuinely nice guy, you can’t get mad at him
Streak needed to be broken but by anyone other than Lesnar
not even other than but Bray or now Roman
This is probably a hot take but I have never been a lesnar guy, so I don’t think the first 2 wins in this video were the right choice at all, and should have been anyone else or never happened, and I’m glad I took of break from wrestling shortly after mania 30 and returned may of 2022 because I feel like the decisions have been way better
Jinder and Lex always straight up sucked gotta call a spade a spade so no title and no push should've happened.
Simon ready for a fight 😊
I can understand the rationale at that time. Build Brock as an unstoppable heel. Then Reigns beat him the following year and becomes the face of the company.
Of course, none of this worked out that way but i can understand.
But I still think Taker's streak should have been left intact. He should have retired after Wrestlemania 28.
Lex Luger was better in WCW than in WWF.
Brock Lesnar needed to be at the streak. By doing that he became the Megastar need to later put over guys like Rollins, McIntyre, and Reigns.
😂😂😂 Kofi only won because of Black history month..
Again there's a difference in a champion and a title holder.
Good work Simon
Streak should’ve ended in his retirement match.
You can never tell me the streak ending is a good thing
Brock didn’t need the win and I’ve never liked Brock. I was one of the folks at home chanting fuck you at him and Goldberg in their shitty final match before they both left. I was rooting for meteor, they both suck.
Bray should have ended the streak NOT Brock he didn’t even need the push and the match wasn’t that good
Shane winning Best In The World i do NOT Agree with you about Simon. I Remember i was angry that WWE Basically wasted our time. That you supposed to be invested in this tournament. You has banger star after banger star in it. You get shocked to see them be eliminated by Ziggler and Miz. And then has an upset final (Which is okay happens in real sports to). But for then someone who was not even in the tournament win it. Made me feel like i just wasted my time. And that i cant be serious about tournaments in WWE again
You need to be careful using all this logic, Simon. They’ll come for you.
Brock vs undertaker was trash 🗑️. I stopped watching wrestling for years because of that trash decision.
Why?
I see where your coming from with some of the logic here but i dont think that makes WWE "right" even in hindsight. Kofi may never have had a chance to be built up the way he should have been but no way was THAT decision in any way a right one becuase of it he could have just lost to a Seth normally or something like that.
I want to see Kofi get a revenge story on Brock still its not too late HHH!!
I like your content but what was the point of this video? There’s literally zero justification for anything with the Kofi/Brock match so if we’re just going to say ‘oh WWE was just stupid at the time’ isn’t that the whole point? That they were dumb and that decision was dumb?
Man please make a video about what you DON'T LIKE.
At this point I feel like you like everything there is :/
To the point he’s starting to feel disingenuous
Damien Priest winning the 2023 MITB
Vv true
Absolutely. I didn’t mind that he won but I didn’t really feel any excitement to it. Then he cashed in at Wrestlemania in exactly the way I thought he would. Didn’t expect a memorable championship reign with him, but actually, the belt made him I think. I don’t know if it’s how he held himself or what but he felt like a great champion. Actually invested in his story now.
I hope Simon knows he doesn’t have to pretend to like and enjoy everything
I don't understand how WWE didn't always know Bret was the guy well yes I do Vince and his musclebound giant obsession, I don't care what Luger did in WCW he always sucked as did NXT 2.0 Vince again!
Pay per vie… premium live event😂🤢😂🤣
Disagree
What you think about john cena becoming wwe champion i hope that happens and randy beats Gunther and cena ortan at wreslemania and cena wins but retires and then 2 terniments happen
And at the same time do brock and randy with maybe brock winning one championship and Cody or Roman with the other
Kofi losing in 8 seconds was the right call. If you watch pretty much any New Day match in the YEARS leading up to Brock beating Kofi it was almost always the same story:
Big E was teaming with either Kofi or Xavier
Kofi or Xavier start the match
They get the crap beaten out of them and are on the brink of losing
Hot tag to Big E who comes in to turn the tide or the match
Kofi or Xavier tagged in at the end to get the pinfall victory
It was great to see Kofi chase and win the title... but once he had it, it was a singles title and so there was no Big E able to come in and win his matches for him, so what else would you expect to happen when he faced a real challenge and had to stand up on his own two feet?
Helluva video
Gr8 vid n literally say most ur views. When u a fan since 92 uno a mark u enjoy all wrestling n u see bigger picture. Awe n u understand the 90%of attidue era ur 8 9 10 Yr old brain was jst wowed puppies. Mid laki on someone's shoulders top ripped massive swinging abt 98 a think defo a ppv
Whos more believable than Brock beating the streak.....look what he did to Taker at their 1st Hiac
I loved it when Kofimania ended in 5 sec thanks to Brock
Simon is a trump supporter 👎