You can tell who he is by his eyes without the makeup. He was in an episode of Knight Rider playing an episode villain. Of course Marc Alaimo and Nana Visitor also played similar roles in Knight Rider.
It's amusing that he wasn't specifically aware of what he was doing with his eyes until the first time Franks was directing him and asked him give someone the eyes, and Jonathan had to explain what he meant.
@@sid2112 Lets be really real. This is why people in IT hate everyone. Entire ticket just says some vague crap like "Make it go" with no other info. No system name, no contact info. Ticket sent straight to trash.
I never saw that Klingon game or even heard of Pakleds showing up in it, but seeing Gowron negotiate with Pakleds was the funniest thing I've seen in a while.
Well its an interactive game and you're the main charachter so when he looks at the camera it means that he is actually looking at your own ingame charachter since
When Robert O'Reilly played for Gowron one of the first times. He decided to spice up the scene because he could tell during the table read he wasn't getting much reaction so he did a yell and head twist and stare. When they did the scene again during filming, Jonathan Frakes (who was directing the episode) asked Robert to again do that stare. At first Robert O'Reilly didn't know why he liked it so much, but later when he saw it onscreen and realized how amazing it looked I think that stare Robert O'Reilly came up with guaranteed he kept playing this character all the way through DS9. He figured it was going to be a one off character that he would play once or twice and that would be it.
The impression I get from this is that the Pakleds were originally playing stupid to be manipulative (as a cautionary tale against real life people like that), then at some point the writers made them actually stupid. And when Lower Decks came out, that stupidity was rewritten to be more like the Orks from Warhammer 40K.
To be fair in 40k despite having the intelligence of bricks Orks are the dominant species..... Fuuuuuuuck this means star trek is likely full of Pakleds now.
Their social hierarchy has been revealed to be predicated upon hat size, so I'd argue they have more in common with Jaegermonsters than Orks at this point.
@@ccggenius If that's how it works, why come we almost never see them wearing hats? Or is there just one immortan joe pakled somewhere who combines all their hats into a citadel?
Honestly listening to Gowron and the Pacled speaking shows me that they missed so much opportunity in Trek shows for how various alien species would interact. Imagine a Cardassian ship meeting up with a Pacled. Or Romulans and Ferengi.
Try the DS9 episode 'House of Quark' for some good klingon and Farengi interaction with no humans/starfleet involved, even has Gowron to make the scene even better.
I would have to say Space Fairing Hill Billies more like it, cuz they at least have the know how to actually put some of the junk together and make plans.
@@funkmantim2661 Yeah lol, hey they had to acheive spaceflight somehow and obviously know how to keep their ships in mostly working order despite using "help were stranded" distress calls to lure people in and steal their shit. What if all paklads we see on screen are actually renmants of a devestated civilization who happened to be the survivalist hillbillies of their species hence their crude use of language and now they're just roaming around scavanging for supplies like mad max in space? Despite the degenerete post apocolyptic insanity of people in the mad max setting, somehow they retained basic knowledge of how to maintain automobiles and the war boys are pretty much all fairly crafty mechanics who manage to fix/patch up their rameshabble monster trucks with whatever scrap is lying around despite being raised from a very young age to be crazyed fantical child soldiers.
@@7ElevenTruther What is even more surprising is that we do not even know their actual language. People forget that majority of races have their languages automatically translated for the sake of simplicity, with exceptions being races which are in high contact with the federation, the Pakleds obviously are not smart enough to know english off the bat, but we are not sure if the translators that are letting us understand them are ours or theirs.
I can picture it now. A rusty Borg cube with ship parts haphazardly duct-taped to each face, crewed by assimilated Pakleds. "We are Borg. Do not resist. We are smart. We will make our cube strong. Your ship is strong. We will take your strong ship parts. We are Borg."
“You will assimilated. We are the Borg. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.” “We are Pakleds. Can you make ship go?” *Borg cuts off view screen and uses trans warp to get out of there*
The current prevailing theory is that Packleds are just as smart as every other race. It's just that their language is either diminished, or never grew beyond a very basic complexity, possibly because they never needed it. As such, they are aware of how others perceive them, and take advantage of it, because why not? As for the Captain in the game coming onto Gowron's ship... he might have been an idiot.
Apparently they use micro expressions for their communication amongst each other but that gets lost with other species. It's not that they can't communicate with words, they just don't have any need to for the most part
It's also possible that they are, or at least some of them are idiot savants. Very, very intelligent in one specific area, but only that one thing and pretty dumb at everything else.
It seems that on average...Pakleds actually are idiots. They are manipulative at times, and their blundering idiocy often helps obscure that. But they're very easy to fool themselves. And as a species they only seem to have gotten as far on their own merits due to them being freakishly strong and resilient.
Could you imagine the Borg assimilating the Pakleds. All of sudden the Borg cube becomes a dimpled golf ball with the all the drones inside bumping into each other.
Robert O'Reilly once said in an interview that the klingon game was the most fun he had playing gowron because he got to improvise so much of his dialogue that they remade some of the game around his responses to the script.
Difference here is that the Pakleds had already murdered an entire crew of Starfleet officers & were already in the process of murdering another. Captain Riker did not have the time or opportunity to hail them & negotiate peace, if he did, the Pakleds would have more likely killed the Cerritos crew before they could talk. The time for words was over, only fighting could solve the immediate issue.
@@override367 Definitely. Worf tells him it's a bad idea to send Geordi over alone, and Riker brushes him off. Even TROI was able to figure out that the Pakleds were more dangerous than they appeared... and Riker brushed her off too.
Given that the Alpha Quadrant has seen multiple wars, including with the technologically advanced Dominion and Borg, since the first appearance of the Pakleds, they've had plenty of salvage with which to improve their ships.
Gowron is awesome in anything he does! I could listen to him give instructions to hook up internet, explain algebra equations, or paint a room. He is incredible. He is the only human in existence that has low beam and high beam eyes. The Gowron eyes are an icon!
@BlazingOwnager. You knew... it speaks about the quality of those games when you start it at 7 pm... and somewhere in the middle of the playthrough, you noticed that it's already *7 AM* ... 😅 They came in the days when developers actually CARES for the work they do... and I seriously wish they would remaster those old Star Trek themed games... since they have everything they need there (sound files and video clips) but those games just beg for replacing the old win 98/XP era space animations with modern ones and digitally restore those cutscenes.
And yet, so many people dislike the show only because it has "jokes" and its animated. They don't understand the love for Star Trek that the writers must have to be able to come with a show with so many references and well portrayed characters
@@edosl1426 I just don’t like the art style otherwise being animated is great in my opinion. A lot easier to do some cool things in animations than with live action special effects, especially on a tv show budget.
I too don't like the art style but after S1 they improve all of the non-character art, but obviously they'd struggle to break away from that crappy CalArts character style that's so prevalent in Hollywood. Overall I really like Lower Decks minus the art, the first two episodes and some of the more heavy handed modern identity politics being shoved in to appease the more radical fans and creators. I won't go into it here because it'll just start a fight.
Wow. Those scenes with Gworon made me feel so many things at once. I was... intrigued, cringing, laughing, and many more. I think I had a minor nervous breakdown watching Gowron sweet talk a Pakled while hamming it up for the camera.
It honestly seems like EVERYONE is having a blast on Lower Decks. The show is so much fun to watch, nothing like seeing a Star Trek series that the actors have as much fun starring in as us viewers are having fun watching...this is a Kurtzman Trek show WORTH watching! 😅😂😍😁
Met Gowrons actor on the first official star trek cruise on the booze run. When it was blood wine time he met with the rest and hung around me the most as I just shot the breeze with him, not expecting the character and just hung with the man. He is so down to earth and just amazing to hang with. Glad that STO put him in the series as a main character to give him work.
TNG Pakleds = Pathetic and easily written off. Lower Decks Pakleds = A serious threat. They have... improved? But honestly, how the Pakleds became a real threat could easily be a legit plot thread for the next season.
My head canon is that they pretended to be dumber than they were and the are also more vicious pakleds. So they aren't completely moronic they have some smarts but they play on their stupidity to outwit most opponents.
@moz zo The Pakleds can be a serious threat but still funny. But at the same time, they could be like the "True" Borg, a terrifying fore that cannot be reasoned with, and extremely hard to fight, and everyone keeps treating them like they are stupid. Because Lower Decks likes to poke fun at the general idiocy of Star Trek as a whole, making mistakes in judgement and action a real military, or just competent people, would never make yet Starfleet does it, chest puffed, like something else in their favor was supposed to happen, never seems to learn (much like the fandom. Time moves on and Starfleet is still the same peacenik dumbasses the writers let them mostly get away with through TOS and TNG), and the Pakleds are swinging and frequently hitting with the biggest stick driving this point home.
@moz zo I dont think that was a joke, I think they just wanted to make a new intimidating villain and tie it to the theme of Starfleet overestimating their knowledge of how things are in the universe
@@jameswg13 the Packleds were pretty smart in TNG. They came up with a plan which perfectly played to their advantages/disadvantages, and failed only because they let greed get the better of them. Yet they still got away with the upgrade the Enterprise gave, meaning the failure mode of their plan still resulted in a win. The Lower Decks episode has a good extrapolation of the Packleds, because it’s easy to imagine them scavenging Dominion War battlegrounds to make those news ships.
They can keep a ship capable of going faster than light in decent working order. They have to be smart enough to do that. Honestly, the TNG Pakelds make little sense.
@JKwak, you ought to fit right in. "dump" for dumb, and "there" for their? And a run-on sentence with two separate subjects, and no punctuation to separate them. Sheesh! ;)
@@ImAmirus Nope. There is a slight difference between Orks and Pakleds. Orks: They hammer every piece of tech they find onto their "vessels" and it somehow works even if the laws of physics say it shouldn't. And only because the Orks BELIEVE in it that it works. Pakleds: The hammer every piece of tech they find onto their "vessels" and it DOESN'T work. At least not for long^^
@@ImAmirus Ok^^ But that is simply the method of the Warhammer 40.000 Orks. Finding pieces of tech that looks orkish, nail them to their ships and even if the laws of physics say, that it shouldn't work, it does
So McMahon said in Season 2, the Pakelds will be a recurring adversary for a little while and dig deep into how they suddenly stopped being purely a joke. Interesting...
@Meanie Panini That is an interesting story plot that reminds me of the comedy movie called idiocracy where humanity has regressed in intelegence due to genetic drift so all the advanced technology made centuries ago is keeping their society together. Story follows two people who participated in a cryogenics experiment and are now the smartest people on the planet.
Honestly of the NuTrek shows (Dis,Pic,LD) Lower Decks is probably the only one I genuinely enjoyed watching. It's cartoon style communicates that it knows it's not going to be as good or as serious as OldTrek, or take itself so seriously like Dis and Pic. Instead it just gives us fun comedy romps in the ST universe. It doesn't break the lore like the other two(especially Dis), makes references to the old shows, and it is technically one of the few post-war content we have of the Prime Universe.
Yeah, really the main problem with Lower Decks is honestly that the comedy isn't good, but the writers clearly have a good grasp of Star Trek lore, unlike Discovery, which just sucked.
Gowron continues to be awesome. Either the actor or the writers understood the campiness of the game and added that wall breaking aside look - love it.
I'd forgive them for replacing the simple, slow, and subtle Pakled mannerisms for a more robust but traditionally dumb sounding voice. There's a reason why they are only featured in one episode of Prime Universe Trek, and I suspect it just takes too much time for them to move the narrative. And I'm sure a lie, edit, sorry, lore, could be developed to explain away this particular Pakled's behavior. But Riker shouting "Red Alert!" to the other ship after engaging in combat was just, I think they call it, 'cheese'. It was fun though.
"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and prepare to be... never mind, we will be on our way. We do not want your cultural and technological distinctiveness to make us morons. Carry on."
Yes. It was Chris Latta, going by Christopher Collins that played the Pakled in TNG. Someone else played the Pakled in the Star Trek Klingon game with Robert O'Reilly as Gowron.
Oh i just got the joke of these guys being the final boss of lower decks lol their big villain is the big underdog of TNG but seeing riker come save the day and open fire was so satisfying after that whole "Lets have peace with China" deal with the romulan stalemate lol
I love how they say "we are Pakled" as if that explains everything they are responding to and how Gowron imitates them in that regard it's the kind of subtle star trek humor that nutrek always fails to replicate and supplants with snot jokes and snarky teenager antics
It's funny how Garwron had to dumb himself down to speak to them so they could understand. It reminds me of going to walmart, there are a bunch of pakleds there they're called the managment team and customer service employees.
Hear me out, Pakleds and Ferengi should team up - they would be the ultimate mirror to the Human/Vulcan relationship. The scrappy opportunists who consistently prove that the assumptions and ideals of the Federation, no matter how strong they perceive themselves, can often be wrong. Also imagine how annoyed a Ferengi would get with a Pakled's simplicity in a similar manner as to how annoyed a Vulcan is with how illogical a human can be.
I like how Pakleds just show up all the time in the background of DS9. When I saw the Pakled listening to Gowron's invasion speech, jaw slack, I burst out laughing. Also, there is something really offputting about hearing The Motion Picture theme song set to a scene of the federation killing a bunch of Pakled while people cheer.
thats because they steped up there game and murdered an intier crew and were destrying another. it was go time and the people chearing WERE BEING RESCUDE.
@@Shard18you those new Star Trek is straight up fucking garbage! Lower decks feel like satire and callbacks to the classic and the characters give me a sensible chuckle. Didn't STD plagiarized major plot points from some guys game or something??
@0:33 I recognize the obvious Klingon, Romulan, and Bajoran emblems. I see what looks like the Ferengi emblem, but what is that one in between the Ferengi & Bajoran? I don't quite recognize it.
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Gowron's actor is so good. Very expressive eyes
If I remember correctly that's what he did in his audition to stand out. Of course it worked and Gowron remains a legend; though I prefer Martok.
You can tell who he is by his eyes without the makeup. He was in an episode of Knight Rider playing an episode villain.
Of course Marc Alaimo and Nana Visitor also played similar roles in Knight Rider.
"You have sided against us in battle! This, we do not forgive..."
0_0
"... or forget."
Robert O'reilly
It's amusing that he wasn't specifically aware of what he was doing with his eyes until the first time Franks was directing him and asked him give someone the eyes, and Jonathan had to explain what he meant.
"Pakled's aren't a joke anymore!"
"Then who is the joke now?"
Uncomfortable silence on the bridge.
Umm... I think I know the answer
Umm... Us. Stafleet is a joke now.
@LabRat Knatz Trash tv?? Who
Liberals
Pakled planet is broke we pakleds 😢 😢 😔 .
“Make it go.” Has been my tec support request for almost 20 years.
You are Pakled!
Computer broken make it go.
Do the needful
Let's be real for a minute. If we actually made it go, you wouldn't call anymore, and we would miss you.
@@sid2112 Lets be really real. This is why people in IT hate everyone. Entire ticket just says some vague crap like "Make it go" with no other info. No system name, no contact info. Ticket sent straight to trash.
I never saw that Klingon game or even heard of Pakleds showing up in it, but seeing Gowron negotiate with Pakleds was the funniest thing I've seen in a while.
Same. I was trying to recall which episode that was from, LOL
Even better the game Pakled is Joel McKinnon, aka Scully from Brooklyn 99
Probably the funniest thing I’ve seen from Star Trek. Love the Marty Feldman-esque look into the camera.
Its all in the "completely sane we swear" eyes!
you can find the entire playthrough of Star Trek Klingon on youtube. same with star trek borg
The way the actor breaks the 4th wall and looks dead into the camera while 'negotiating' with the Pakled is amazing! 😆
He was really saying 'check this shit out'
What was this on? I've never seen someone break the 4th wall in Star Trek. 🤣 I lol'd so hard.
Well its an interactive game and you're the main charachter so when he looks at the camera it means that he is actually looking at your own ingame charachter since
Crazy eyes Gowron was really mugging the camera there. Great stuff.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who calls him that.
@@michaeldougherty6036 People have called him that since the 80's. Frakes started it, I think.
When Robert O'Reilly played for Gowron one of the first times. He decided to spice up the scene because he could tell during the table read he wasn't getting much reaction so he did a yell and head twist and stare. When they did the scene again during filming, Jonathan Frakes (who was directing the episode) asked Robert to again do that stare. At first Robert O'Reilly didn't know why he liked it so much, but later when he saw it onscreen and realized how amazing it looked I think that stare Robert O'Reilly came up with guaranteed he kept playing this character all the way through DS9. He figured it was going to be a one off character that he would play once or twice and that would be it.
Okay, it’s The Office but Gowron as Jim…
his eyes were at full deployment
Imagine Pakled meeting the Children Of Tama...
"We're Pakled!"
- "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!"
I would lose my mind if that was an episode lol
Tenba, his arms wide
Shaka, when the walls fell... (shakes head)
Damar, when advising weyoun to speak with worf once again.
Pakled, with mind empty.
The impression I get from this is that the Pakleds were originally playing stupid to be manipulative (as a cautionary tale against real life people like that), then at some point the writers made them actually stupid. And when Lower Decks came out, that stupidity was rewritten to be more like the Orks from Warhammer 40K.
To be fair in 40k despite having the intelligence of bricks Orks are the dominant species.....
Fuuuuuuuck this means star trek is likely full of Pakleds now.
I don't know at least Orks are smart enough to be self sufficient and are living their best lives.
@@redenginner Orks is right smart, Youz don see anyone else doing so well as orks, do ya oomie?
Their social hierarchy has been revealed to be predicated upon hat size, so I'd argue they have more in common with Jaegermonsters than Orks at this point.
@@ccggenius If that's how it works, why come we almost never see them wearing hats? Or is there just one immortan joe pakled somewhere who combines all their hats into a citadel?
Honestly listening to Gowron and the Pacled speaking shows me that they missed so much opportunity in Trek shows for how various alien species would interact. Imagine a Cardassian ship meeting up with a Pacled. Or Romulans and Ferengi.
Try the DS9 episode 'House of Quark' for some good klingon and Farengi interaction with no humans/starfleet involved, even has Gowron to make the scene even better.
Oh the ferengi would take them for all they’re worth
quark trying to get all their latinum only to find out they dont know what it is
@@adamnelson4428 Damn if they are like the one who was talking to Gowron, Quark would be a king.
@@Wallbeige Imagine if Pacled technology ran on latinum. That would probably pique the Ferengi's interests.
I work with a few Pakleds.
A few? You're lucky.
Sadly they run Star Trek now
Gordon Chin, ZING!
@Projekt Kobra Wasn't it Trump who was too dumb to wear a mask. Then he got Covid-19 lol.
@@levvy3006 oh so Kamala people dumb too, her people got it as well, seems to be catching this stupidity of which you speak
Pakleds are basically an entire race of space-faring Peter Griffins.
but even dumber
I would have to say Space Fairing Hill Billies more like it, cuz they at least have the know how to actually put some of the junk together and make plans.
@@funkmantim2661 Yeah lol, hey they had to acheive spaceflight somehow and obviously know how to keep their ships in mostly working order despite using "help were stranded" distress calls to lure people in and steal their shit.
What if all paklads we see on screen are actually renmants of a devestated civilization who happened to be the survivalist hillbillies of their species hence their crude use of language and now they're just roaming around scavanging for supplies like mad max in space?
Despite the degenerete post apocolyptic insanity of people in the mad max setting, somehow they retained basic knowledge of how to maintain automobiles and the war boys are pretty much all fairly crafty mechanics who manage to fix/patch up their rameshabble monster trucks with whatever scrap is lying around despite being raised from a very young age to be crazyed fantical child soldiers.
@@7ElevenTruther What is even more surprising is that we do not even know their actual language. People forget that majority of races have their languages automatically translated for the sake of simplicity, with exceptions being races which are in high contact with the federation, the Pakleds obviously are not smart enough to know english off the bat, but we are not sure if the translators that are letting us understand them are ours or theirs.
@@funkmantim2661 you talk like this is real hahaha
The Pakled leader is the species’ smartest living Pakled, who has the intellectual capacity of the average Florida man of the early 21st century.
I dunno about that, but apparently he/she has the largest helmet.
Oi
Treading on racist territory. There are many men of color in Florida especially those that escaped Cuba’s Communist cesspool.
A Conservative.
Trump is a Pakled.
Clearly a force to be reckoned with
"They are Pakleds!" has got to be my favorite line. Like, "Duh! Of course they're idiots!"
The Borg would love these guys. The dialogue would be a priceless interaction.
They're basically a less intelligent version of the Borg.
I can picture it now. A rusty Borg cube with ship parts haphazardly duct-taped to each face, crewed by assimilated Pakleds. "We are Borg. Do not resist. We are smart. We will make our cube strong. Your ship is strong. We will take your strong ship parts. We are Borg."
The Borg would probably Kazon them.
@@procyon6370 : When your species sucks so bad, its name becomes a verb for being ignored because it's useless.
“You will assimilated. We are the Borg. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.”
“We are Pakleds. Can you make ship go?”
*Borg cuts off view screen and uses trans warp to get out of there*
The current prevailing theory is that Packleds are just as smart as every other race. It's just that their language is either diminished, or never grew beyond a very basic complexity, possibly because they never needed it. As such, they are aware of how others perceive them, and take advantage of it, because why not? As for the Captain in the game coming onto Gowron's ship... he might have been an idiot.
I wouldn't say they're as smart as any other race. I'd say they're "smart enough".
Apparently they use micro expressions for their communication amongst each other but that gets lost with other species. It's not that they can't communicate with words, they just don't have any need to for the most part
@@soulknife20 Acceptable explanation to me.
It's also possible that they are, or at least some of them are idiot savants. Very, very intelligent in one specific area, but only that one thing and pretty dumb at everything else.
It seems that on average...Pakleds actually are idiots.
They are manipulative at times, and their blundering idiocy often helps obscure that. But they're very easy to fool themselves. And as a species they only seem to have gotten as far on their own merits due to them being freakishly strong and resilient.
Could you imagine the Borg assimilating the Pakleds. All of sudden the Borg cube becomes a dimpled golf ball with the all the drones inside bumping into each other.
LOL
The Federation could weaponize this by telling the Pakleds that the Borg will make them strong and that they should all go to the Delta Quadrant.
If the Kazon didn't make the cut, no way are the Borg touching the Pakled!
Robert O'Reilly once said in an interview that the klingon game was the most fun he had playing gowron because he got to improvise so much of his dialogue that they remade some of the game around his responses to the script.
We are Pakleds, you are klingons. You tend to choke slam us through hulls.
we are strong
We are Pakled, you are Klingon. Klingons hurt.
@@Mephilis78 Klingons typically always hurt
yes, daddy
I came for the Pakleds......
......But I stayed for the Gowron 🖖
Gowron rules!!! The eyes have it!
1:55 the look he gives the camera is FUCKING LEGENDARY!
Difference here is that the Pakleds had already murdered an entire crew of Starfleet officers & were already in the process of murdering another. Captain Riker did not have the time or opportunity to hail them & negotiate peace, if he did, the Pakleds would have more likely killed the Cerritos crew before they could talk. The time for words was over, only fighting could solve the immediate issue.
another episode where listening to worf would have prevented an entire episode.
I don't know, it seems like these people are so stupid you could trick them into believing your only weakness was them flying directly into the sun.
also, it was Riker's fault they got Geordi the first time around
@@override367 Definitely. Worf tells him it's a bad idea to send Geordi over alone, and Riker brushes him off. Even TROI was able to figure out that the Pakleds were more dangerous than they appeared... and Riker brushed her off too.
Given that the Alpha Quadrant has seen multiple wars, including with the technologically advanced Dominion and Borg, since the first appearance of the Pakleds, they've had plenty of salvage with which to improve their ships.
Gowron is awesome in anything he does! I could listen to him give instructions to hook up internet, explain algebra equations, or paint a room. He is incredible. He is the only human in existence that has low beam and high beam eyes. The Gowron eyes are an icon!
"We are Pakled, our bridge has TWO air conditioners, it's clearly superior"
😂😂😂
Gowron should have winked to the camera @2:00!
I don't think those eyes are capable of fully closing, so the knowing nod was the best he could do.
can there be a Gowron spin off? i miss those crazy eyes.
Not trying to advertise but O'Rielly reprised his role as Gowron in Star Trek Online.
He's dead, Jim.
Worf drove a broken bat'leth through his heart and twisted it. Gowron is no longer eligible for cameos or any sort of miniseries.
Ohhh it was from the video game that's why I didn't remember the Gowron scene
I'm sure the game was pretty bad gameplay wise but I do love watching Gowron be maximum Gowron.
@BlazingOwnager. You knew... it speaks about the quality of those games when you start it at 7 pm... and somewhere in the middle of the playthrough, you noticed that it's already *7 AM* ... 😅
They came in the days when developers actually CARES for the work they do... and I seriously wish they would remaster those old Star Trek themed games... since they have everything they need there (sound files and video clips) but those games just beg for replacing the old win 98/XP era space animations with modern ones and digitally restore those cutscenes.
I honestly thought it was DS9
Who would've thought Starscream would end up becoming a Klingon, a Pakeld and a Markalian (twice) in the 24th century!
You mean Cobra Commander?
@Mar celo Was it that episode with that big bug and the Doctor had to seek assistance from a holographic Cardassian doctor?
Which klingon does Megatron play?
@Mar celo He also did Spock's screams in Star Trek III.
1:17
"I - I don't know anything."
"No Pakled knows anything!"
Always confusing Pakleds and Kurtzmans, sorry for that 😭😭😭
No need to worry. The difference is only in the look :)
Lower Deck is the most authentic Star Trek series in many, many years. I love it.
And yet, so many people dislike the show only because it has "jokes" and its animated.
They don't understand the love for Star Trek that the writers must have to be able to come with a show with so many references and well portrayed characters
@@edosl1426 I just don’t like the art style otherwise being animated is great in my opinion. A lot easier to do some cool things in animations than with live action special effects, especially on a tv show budget.
@@MasterArchfiend Like actually have cetacean ops shown onscreen.
I too don't like the art style but after S1 they improve all of the non-character art, but obviously they'd struggle to break away from that crappy CalArts character style that's so prevalent in Hollywood.
Overall I really like Lower Decks minus the art, the first two episodes and some of the more heavy handed modern identity politics being shoved in to appease the more radical fans and creators. I won't go into it here because it'll just start a fight.
@@edosl1426it's also because makes jokes out of many beloved things oh and the main characters are a bunch NICOS
Wow.
Those scenes with Gworon made me feel so many things at once.
I was... intrigued, cringing, laughing, and many more. I think I had a minor nervous breakdown watching Gowron sweet talk a Pakled while hamming it up for the camera.
“Oh no! It’s another Enterprise!” Made me lose my mind the. First time through Lower Decks. I had to pause the episode I was laughing so hard.
I also love how clearly Riker is having an absolute blast playing his character on this show!
It honestly seems like EVERYONE is having a blast on Lower Decks. The show is so much fun to watch, nothing like seeing a Star Trek series that the actors have as much fun starring in as us viewers are having fun watching...this is a Kurtzman Trek show WORTH watching! 😅😂😍😁
2:00 "Im gonna do whats called a pro gamer move!"
Met Gowrons actor on the first official star trek cruise on the booze run. When it was blood wine time he met with the rest and hung around me the most as I just shot the breeze with him, not expecting the character and just hung with the man.
He is so down to earth and just amazing to hang with. Glad that STO put him in the series as a main character to give him work.
“OH NO! IT’S ANOTHER ENTERPRISE!”
I’m dying.
They want ALL the ship pieces.
If only those pieces actually helped them, instead of being extra armor plates and random weapons
Gowron so badass he can just Jim the camera like that
In the game, the camera is the player.
TNG Pakleds = Pathetic and easily written off.
Lower Decks Pakleds = A serious threat. They have... improved?
But honestly, how the Pakleds became a real threat could easily be a legit plot thread for the next season.
My head canon is that they pretended to be dumber than they were and the are also more vicious pakleds. So they aren't completely moronic they have some smarts but they play on their stupidity to outwit most opponents.
@moz zo
The Pakleds can be a serious threat but still funny. But at the same time, they could be like the "True" Borg, a terrifying fore that cannot be reasoned with, and extremely hard to fight, and everyone keeps treating them like they are stupid.
Because Lower Decks likes to poke fun at the general idiocy of Star Trek as a whole, making mistakes in judgement and action a real military, or just competent people, would never make yet Starfleet does it, chest puffed, like something else in their favor was supposed to happen, never seems to learn (much like the fandom. Time moves on and Starfleet is still the same peacenik dumbasses the writers let them mostly get away with through TOS and TNG), and the Pakleds are swinging and frequently hitting with the biggest stick driving this point home.
@moz zo I dont think that was a joke, I think they just wanted to make a new intimidating villain and tie it to the theme of Starfleet overestimating their knowledge of how things are in the universe
In TNG they were facing the best ship Starfleet had, the Cerritos, though... they probably thought they could take her.
@@jameswg13 the Packleds were pretty smart in TNG. They came up with a plan which perfectly played to their advantages/disadvantages, and failed only because they let greed get the better of them. Yet they still got away with the upgrade the Enterprise gave, meaning the failure mode of their plan still resulted in a win.
The Lower Decks episode has a good extrapolation of the Packleds, because it’s easy to imagine them scavenging Dominion War battlegrounds to make those news ships.
Gowron had the best crazy eyes of any character ever on film
i think Pakleds are actually smart but dont have any language skills and they think everyone else is dump for falling for there tricks.
JKwak : It's like a pro card player sometimes pretends to be bad at playing cards so he can win bigger.
They can keep a ship capable of going faster than light in decent working order. They have to be smart enough to do that. Honestly, the TNG Pakelds make little sense.
SlimThrull The Pakleds must use the heads or tails maintenance method.
@JKwak, you ought to fit right in. "dump" for dumb, and "there" for their?
And a run-on sentence with two separate subjects, and no punctuation to separate them.
Sheesh!
;)
Complains about others writing... starts a sentence with “and”
The funniest Gowron I've ever seen!
Remember Gawron before Worf stabbed the shit out of him?
"You will not have this...day."
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
How many people can say they killed *TWO* Klingon Chancellors within 10 years, and gain honour for doing so?
So Pakleds build there ships like Orks
@@ImAmirus Nope. There is a slight difference between Orks and Pakleds. Orks: They hammer every piece of tech they find onto their "vessels" and it somehow works even if the laws of physics say it shouldn't. And only because the Orks BELIEVE in it that it works. Pakleds: The hammer every piece of tech they find onto their "vessels" and it DOESN'T work. At least not for long^^
@@ImAmirus Ok^^ But that is simply the method of the Warhammer 40.000 Orks. Finding pieces of tech that looks orkish, nail them to their ships and even if the laws of physics say, that it shouldn't work, it does
@@Anthyrion "if we paint it red it makes it go faster" = 'item in question does then go faster' sort of thing?
@@Briggers0810 Right. That's how the Ork Tech works. Paint it blue and it brings luck. Black = Stronger
So McMahon said in Season 2, the Pakelds will be a recurring adversary for a little while and dig deep into how they suddenly stopped being purely a joke. Interesting...
Oooh that will be interesting to see I think
Borg tech I’m assuming. Some random drop that have the garbage men of the galaxy the power to turn garage into power.
@Meanie Panini That is an interesting story plot that reminds me of the comedy movie called idiocracy where humanity has regressed in intelegence due to genetic drift so all the advanced technology made centuries ago is keeping their society together. Story follows two people who participated in a cryogenics experiment and are now the smartest people on the planet.
I love Lower Decks for giving us a chance to see the Titan in full glory
Those eyes, those beautiful eyes
"GO GUYS! GO!" Is this a tandem bicycle or something? I bet the dudes in engineering are pedaling as fast as they can...
First time I've ever seen clips from ST:Klingon on UA-cam. Always loved that game. Thanks!
Gowron's 4th Wall Break, when he aims those bugged out eyes at the camera... Priceless.
2:39 The obligatory Riker "Red Alert".
Gowron out stupiding the packleds is my second favourite moment in star trek
The look of that Klingon captain was “I’m gonna play this f-ki’n schmuck for everything he has.” Hilarious.
Honestly of the NuTrek shows (Dis,Pic,LD) Lower Decks is probably the only one I genuinely enjoyed watching. It's cartoon style communicates that it knows it's not going to be as good or as serious as OldTrek, or take itself so seriously like Dis and Pic. Instead it just gives us fun comedy romps in the ST universe. It doesn't break the lore like the other two(especially Dis), makes references to the old shows, and it is technically one of the few post-war content we have of the Prime Universe.
Yeah, really the main problem with Lower Decks is honestly that the comedy isn't good, but the writers clearly have a good grasp of Star Trek lore, unlike Discovery, which just sucked.
@2:02 the Pallets are smarter than they look. They'd have to be.
Gowron continues to be awesome. Either the actor or the writers understood the campiness of the game and added that wall breaking aside look - love it.
01:59 I just about fell out of my chair when Gowron smirked at the camera. .😆😆
I'd forgive them for replacing the simple, slow, and subtle Pakled mannerisms for a more robust but traditionally dumb sounding voice.
There's a reason why they are only featured in one episode of Prime Universe Trek, and I suspect it just takes too much time for them to move the narrative. And I'm sure a lie, edit, sorry, lore, could be developed to explain away this particular Pakled's behavior.
But Riker shouting "Red Alert!" to the other ship after engaging in combat was just, I think they call it, 'cheese'. It was fun though.
Give that Gowron actor an oscar ! Genius
Season 2. Borg unites with 8472 to defend from Pakleds but nothing works so they ask Q to help
Season 3 Pakleds invade the Q Continuum
"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and prepare to be... never mind, we will be on our way. We do not want your cultural and technological distinctiveness to make us morons. Carry on."
i never knew there were such glorious scenes from old star trek games!! im so happy rn imma find them all
I think Kim Jong Un might be a Pakled.
He looks for things that make boom.
People hating on the new star trek series are pakled, but tng joke pakled, not lower decks threatening pakleds
nah he is not playing the idiot,
maybe trump
@@JoducusKwak nope, thats biden, expect he doesnt realize it
@@kerosoldier no definitely Trump he's definitely a Pakled along with all of his cultist followers.
Pakleds, so easy to fool and easy to trick, but if you underestimate them, you will regret it.
One of the Pakleds is played by Starsceam voice actor Chris Latta.
I could be wrong but the main Pakled guy in the TNG episode was also the voice actor for Cobra Commander in the GI Joe cartoon series.
And Starscream too.
@@ShatteredGlassUnicron I think he voiced Moe on The Simpsons too before he passed away.
@@DeanStrickson As well as Mr. Burns.
The Pakled in the video was Joel McKinnon Miller, you guys would know him these days as Scully in Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
Yes. It was Chris Latta, going by Christopher Collins that played the Pakled in TNG. Someone else played the Pakled in the Star Trek Klingon game with Robert O'Reilly as Gowron.
The look on the Packleds face when the viewscreen comes up gets me everytime. "Oh shit, Klingons"
I had no idea of the existence of that Klingon game and I very much want more
Did they really use Goldsmith's TNG theme for the final battle in Lower Decks, or was that added by you, Grin?
No, they used it in the show, it was awesome
No they really did use it. Was icing on the cake.
@@hybrid5568 Awesome.
2:02 That face.
That face.
It is beautiful.
get you someone that looks at you like Gowron looks at the 4th wall
I didn't know the klingons could break the 4th wall like that
Klingons can break anything. They even killed their gods.
In this case he interacted with the player of the game. The whole game is about Klingons speaking with the camera.
@@nackteHintern what is the name of the game? i am guessing there are youtube play throughs that would be great fun to listen to.
@@sea-envy3137 Star Trek Klingon
@@nackteHintern i was afraid it was just that simple
Pakled should be added to Star Trek Online in the next expansion.
i might be wrong but i thought as federation you could play as pakleds
The USS Titan is so damn cool in “Lower Decks.”
Oh i just got the joke of these guys being the final boss of lower decks lol their big villain is the big underdog of TNG
but seeing riker come save the day and open fire was so satisfying after that whole "Lets have peace with China" deal with the romulan stalemate lol
Gowron cracked me up. His eyes are fun
I love how they say "we are Pakled" as if that explains everything they are responding to
and how Gowron imitates them in that regard
it's the kind of subtle star trek humor that nutrek always fails to replicate and supplants with snot jokes and snarky teenager antics
that's cause the writers are snarky teenagers who think they are the pinnacle of comedy
It reminds me of seven of nine responding to questions with "we are borg"
I hope Gowron stars in a Klingon version of The Office.
You have not experienced The Dinner Party until you've heard it in the original Klingon.
I love the Pakleds so much! Hope to see more from them in the future.
Pakled is my new favorite insult XD.
2:02
His eyes said: “Yup. This was the script we agreed upon.”
2:02 "I'm bout to play this chump for a rube" 😏😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Gowron talking to pakleds make me think of how a parent negotiates with a child
It's funny how Garwron had to dumb himself down to speak to them so they could understand. It reminds me of going to walmart, there are a bunch of pakleds there they're called the managment team and customer service employees.
Omggg that pakled in the Klingon game is sully from Brooklyn 99
Too funny Gowron and the Pakled talking. For just a moment I thought the Pakled was going to be too smart for him.
Hold up is that Pakled actually Scully from B99?
Yup.
He's playing Space Scully.
Somehow, i don't think the klingons would have been so 'understanding' , more like blow them up.
Gowron is a special case.
Gowron "Jim"ing the camera is one of the funniest things I've seen in awhile
Hear me out, Pakleds and Ferengi should team up - they would be the ultimate mirror to the Human/Vulcan relationship.
The scrappy opportunists who consistently prove that the assumptions and ideals of the Federation, no matter how strong they perceive themselves, can often be wrong.
Also imagine how annoyed a Ferengi would get with a Pakled's simplicity in a similar manner as to how annoyed a Vulcan is with how illogical a human can be.
All that was missing was "Janeway!" 🤣😂
1:55 - "It is difficult to understand... y'all!" 😆
I swear! Listen to how he says it, and you'd swear it almost came out that VERY-WAY!😉🤣😂
I like how Pakleds just show up all the time in the background of DS9. When I saw the Pakled listening to Gowron's invasion speech, jaw slack, I burst out laughing. Also, there is something really offputting about hearing The Motion Picture theme song set to a scene of the federation killing a bunch of Pakled while people cheer.
Yeah I will not even acknowledge that show “Lower Decks” of having any continuity to Star Trek.
thats because they steped up there game and murdered an intier crew and were destrying another. it was go time and the people chearing WERE BEING RESCUDE.
@@steveoh9135 way better than STD and STP. Lower Decks is honestly the best Trek in like 10 years or so
@@Shard18 That's a low bar but honestly, Beyond was good. And What We Left Behind blows them all out of the water.
@@Shard18you those new Star Trek is straight up fucking garbage! Lower decks feel like satire and callbacks to the classic and the characters give me a sensible chuckle. Didn't STD plagiarized major plot points from some guys game or something??
The Pakled captain from the Gowron game is Skully (Joel McKinnon Miller) from Brooklyn Nine-Nine!
I don't remember Bugs Bunny ever disguising himself as a Klingon.
@0:33 I recognize the obvious Klingon, Romulan, and Bajoran emblems. I see what looks like the Ferengi emblem, but what is that one in between the Ferengi & Bajoran? I don't quite recognize it.
That Pakled talking to Gowron was Scully, from Brooklyn 99!
"It is difficult to understand"
I love how he went full southern accent with that line.
The Pacleds from the Lower Decks looks like Batmen cowls! LOL!
Pacled = Discount Borgs
Love that little gowron smile