The Angel's Tears are actually 5 points per model cheaper than a similarly equipped Destroyer squad. They also get to shoot both of their pistols so they get 4 S5 Deflag shots each, another thing to note is that they are Heavy so are slightly slower but have that reroll against blasts/templates.
Good discussion, thanks. A nice advantage of the Incaendius Dreadnought being in Fast Attack is that its a way to bring a dread without competing for the four elite slots that can easily be taken up by legion-specific goodies such as Angel's Tears, Dawnbreakers, and Crimson Paladins. Then there's Apothecaries for Sanguinary Priest flavour. That's easily four Elite slots taken up without going into multiples of the Legion special units.
Excellent review. Been using Sangy in just about every game. My discovery or combo's I use is that the sword has become the better choice. The re rolls for shred is excellent for taking out higher toughness targets without dropping those pesky 1's to wound which happens far to often. For example, with the spear I can never seem to 1 shot a dreadnought, but with the sword I do most of the time. Also, as I either put him with Dawnbreakers or Command squads, they are thinning out most of power fists and reducing their threat. Also, the +1 WS and his re rolling 4++ is just awesome!
The RG warlord trait 'The Bane of Tyrants' is +1A and +1S in a challenge increasing to +2 vs the enemy's Warlord - meaning Ralderon can get upto S9 with 7 attacks on the charge :)
Dawnbreakers in unison with guys with rad grenades (angels tears, zephon, normal destroyers) work really fine! Then their furious charge and +1S will mean they will double out termies or veterans :) Zephon has bitter duty so he can't go with dawnbreakers ;)
good synergy there between the units! good spot, one thing I think we mentioned a couple of times but didnt twig how common it was is theres a bunch of stacks within Blood angels to get ID at initiative it seems!
@@BearfootMiniatures not only for them. Many legions will have S6 at initiative and access to destroyers :) having some reliable rending (a lot of attacks with 6+ or rending 5+) will be important though. That's what I like about heresy, also it's going to be a little bit hard to pull off but I really like the combo and I feel like destroyers/angels tears are a pretty good unit, they will fight back pretty hard with 2atracks, countercharge and -1T. They are defensive
To your point about Dominion Zephon with bitter duty… bitter duty says a unit with bitter duty can’t be joined by a model without it, but it doesn’t say a model with it cannot join a unit without it. Dominion Zephon can join Dawnbreakers
I would love to hear from Archeins of the IX about their experiences with Day of Sorrows. Has an enemy baited you off an objective by shooting you to under 50%, and placing a unit at 12"?
I've these guides! Eagerly awaiting a Word Bearers review. I fear that they are under-powered (considering legion advs etc) or one dimensional e.g Gal Vorbak in a Spartan. I'm really unsure what a balanced build (that can be competitive to a degree) would look like.
I'm in a discord server and there's a couple of WB players and from what I can see they're very one dimensional yeah, Gal Vorbak inside a Spartan that's pretty much it sadly
@@Jommunism Its a shame really, Ashen circle with one wound writes them off. And the cost of dark channelling, tainted weapons, warpfire just seems to make basic choices that would be interesting nonviable. All that's left is to make deathstars which is uninspiring.
The really frustrating thing about Zephon taking a Destroyer squad as a retinue is that, in the lore, the Blood Angels don't have Destroyers. They only have Angel's Tears. Why they didn't allow Zephon to take Angel's Tears as retinue is frustrating
Brand new to HH 2.0 but long time gamer (40k etc). Gone for Blood Angels and this was a great video. Little bit worried about Day of Rev as that's what I'm basing my first army on. Just love the fluff and idea behind it. I know it's not 'great' but I think it's too fun not to use!
cheers mate glad you found it helpful! So its been a bit since this guide and ive gotta say the DoR isnt hampered by its downside as much as wed expected (on a low game count) at the time! Hope you get it to work for you (and have a great time doing it!)
@@BearfootMiniatures I've got a feeling after a few games in my group I'll be seeing more auguary scanners 😂 Absolutely loving the bat reps mate and the competitive but friendly way you guys play. Credit to the scene! Last one. Do you put events on? I'm only Nottingham and guessing by your accents, you are not far away?
I'm curious, why are power spears/lances so overlooked? A spear of perdition for example trades a 18% chance at ap2 for 100% increase in initiative. If Brutal 2 can be useful on forcing the artificier sergeant to roll twice, wouldn't the spear, striking before a sword or maul, be similarly useful?
To he clear, I'm not saying spears are universally better. I wouldn't send an assault squad with four spears at a terminator squad if I had axes. But, bullying a heavy weapons squad or Recon squad? Gutting them at initiative 5 seems like a good call
Interestingly, Chapter Master Raldoron cannot take a rite of war from the Dark Angels. As for the Day of Revelation, I still think it's playable but I wouldn't want to use it without Sanguinius as my warlord. Enjoyed the review, looking forward to the next one.
@@travisvance619 there's nothing in the book indicating that, rad grenades do affects the threshold, they're toughness 3 and you need your strength to be 2 time the toughness so strength 6
@@Jommunism rad grenades page 143 specifically has a note about this interaction. but the rad-phage rule does not have a note about this (an oversight?)
The Angel's Tears are actually 5 points per model cheaper than a similarly equipped Destroyer squad. They also get to shoot both of their pistols so they get 4 S5 Deflag shots each, another thing to note is that they are Heavy so are slightly slower but have that reroll against blasts/templates.
ye the 5 points cheaper is massive, as you say especially with the double volkite pistols!
Thanks for watching!
Good discussion, thanks. A nice advantage of the Incaendius Dreadnought being in Fast Attack is that its a way to bring a dread without competing for the four elite slots that can easily be taken up by legion-specific goodies such as Angel's Tears, Dawnbreakers, and Crimson Paladins. Then there's Apothecaries for Sanguinary Priest flavour. That's easily four Elite slots taken up without going into multiples of the Legion special units.
good point here, allows them to not be competing for that slot which is massive!
Excellent review. Been using Sangy in just about every game. My discovery or combo's I use is that the sword has become the better choice. The re rolls for shred is excellent for taking out higher toughness targets without dropping those pesky 1's to wound which happens far to often. For example, with the spear I can never seem to 1 shot a dreadnought, but with the sword I do most of the time. Also, as I either put him with Dawnbreakers or Command squads, they are thinning out most of power fists and reducing their threat.
Also, the +1 WS and his re rolling 4++ is just awesome!
Thanks for this guys. Very useful for a new HH player like me.
Cheers mate! Glad you found it useful!
The RG warlord trait 'The Bane of Tyrants' is +1A and +1S in a challenge increasing to +2 vs the enemy's Warlord - meaning Ralderon can get upto S9 with 7 attacks on the charge :)
oooh thats a really tasty on if you wanted to buff the single character (or is it conferring?)
Got a buddy with a blood angels army and I’m glad you guys made this so I know what bullshit I’m going to have to face as an iron warriors player
yes mate: gotta get the info for the Dodekatheon! Thanks for watching!
Dawnbreakers in unison with guys with rad grenades (angels tears, zephon, normal destroyers) work really fine! Then their furious charge and +1S will mean they will double out termies or veterans :) Zephon has bitter duty so he can't go with dawnbreakers ;)
good synergy there between the units! good spot, one thing I think we mentioned a couple of times but didnt twig how common it was is theres a bunch of stacks within Blood angels to get ID at initiative it seems!
@@BearfootMiniatures not only for them. Many legions will have S6 at initiative and access to destroyers :) having some reliable rending (a lot of attacks with 6+ or rending 5+) will be important though. That's what I like about heresy, also it's going to be a little bit hard to pull off but I really like the combo and I feel like destroyers/angels tears are a pretty good unit, they will fight back pretty hard with 2atracks, countercharge and -1T. They are defensive
To your point about Dominion Zephon with bitter duty… bitter duty says a unit with bitter duty can’t be joined by a model without it, but it doesn’t say a model with it cannot join a unit without it. Dominion Zephon can join Dawnbreakers
I would love to hear from Archeins of the IX about their experiences with Day of Sorrows. Has an enemy baited you off an objective by shooting you to under 50%, and placing a unit at 12"?
I've these guides! Eagerly awaiting a Word Bearers review. I fear that they are under-powered (considering legion advs etc) or one dimensional e.g Gal Vorbak in a Spartan. I'm really unsure what a balanced build (that can be competitive to a degree) would look like.
I'm in a discord server and there's a couple of WB players and from what I can see they're very one dimensional yeah, Gal Vorbak inside a Spartan that's pretty much it sadly
@@Jommunism Its a shame really, Ashen circle with one wound writes them off. And the cost of dark channelling, tainted weapons, warpfire just seems to make basic choices that would be interesting nonviable. All that's left is to make deathstars which is uninspiring.
will have to give it some thought when I come to it! im relying on the guests to help me out with these so hopefully i can get a pro Word Bearer haha
The really frustrating thing about Zephon taking a Destroyer squad as a retinue is that, in the lore, the Blood Angels don't have Destroyers. They only have Angel's Tears. Why they didn't allow Zephon to take Angel's Tears as retinue is frustrating
Thanks again guys really enjoyed the video and the info
Cheers mate! Glad we could cover them in an enjoyable way (not just a dull, emotionless analysis)
Brand new to HH 2.0 but long time gamer (40k etc). Gone for Blood Angels and this was a great video. Little bit worried about Day of Rev as that's what I'm basing my first army on. Just love the fluff and idea behind it. I know it's not 'great' but I think it's too fun not to use!
cheers mate glad you found it helpful!
So its been a bit since this guide and ive gotta say the DoR isnt hampered by its downside as much as wed expected (on a low game count) at the time! Hope you get it to work for you (and have a great time doing it!)
@@BearfootMiniatures I've got a feeling after a few games in my group I'll be seeing more auguary scanners 😂
Absolutely loving the bat reps mate and the competitive but friendly way you guys play. Credit to the scene!
Last one. Do you put events on? I'm only Nottingham and guessing by your accents, you are not far away?
I'm curious, why are power spears/lances so overlooked? A spear of perdition for example trades a 18% chance at ap2 for 100% increase in initiative. If Brutal 2 can be useful on forcing the artificier sergeant to roll twice, wouldn't the spear, striking before a sword or maul, be similarly useful?
To he clear, I'm not saying spears are universally better. I wouldn't send an assault squad with four spears at a terminator squad if I had axes. But, bullying a heavy weapons squad or Recon squad? Gutting them at initiative 5 seems like a good call
Interestingly, Chapter Master Raldoron cannot take a rite of war from the Dark Angels. As for the Day of Revelation, I still think it's playable but I wouldn't want to use it without Sanguinius as my warlord. Enjoyed the review, looking forward to the next one.
He can only take loyalist's rites of war. ^^
@@DreyfDreyf haha great shout there
Interesting that, i wonder if that was for balance reasons (like maybe?!) or some sort of fluff legion rivalry thing?!
@@DreyfDreyf Also its warlord traits not rites of war
Thanks for the vide
Thanks for watching! Hope it was informative!
Wait Sanguinius's buff is for units with the legiones Astartes blood angels. So Sanguinius is WS9 after a deep strike
oh boooom makes him hit everyone but Horus on 3+ and them hit him on 5+!
with the +2 to charge this could be meeental!
Dominion Zephon in a Dawnbreaker cohort - 1 toughness to the enemy +1 strength with the spear, they can one shot marines
the loss of toughness from rad weapons doesn't affect the strength threshold for instant kill's. so you still need to be S8 to instant kill marines.
@@travisvance619 there's nothing in the book indicating that, rad grenades do affects the threshold, they're toughness 3 and you need your strength to be 2 time the toughness so strength 6
@@Jommunism rad grenades page 143 specifically has a note about this interaction. but the rad-phage rule does not have a note about this (an oversight?)
@@travisvance619 yeah page 143 and what I read is "note: this does affect the victim's instant death thresholds"
Except he can’t join dawnbreakers as he has bitter duty
Pretty sure Jumppacks are 12" not 14" as you state in the video
Your right, I'm so used to James' ravens whizzing about 14" I'm clearly scarred from it