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Thank you! I used to like it when the videos were ‘straight to the point’ ~3 minutes long but now, they should really add chapter markers to filter out the fillings.
This is the video I REALLY wanted. I’ve always wanted to see the standard vs long range. People always do standard vs performance or long range vs performance but this is the one I really wanted.
Wouldn’t it be cool if we saw this with other cars models?? I’d love to see for example how all the Golfs compare with different engines in the lineup from the same year or generation. Just to see exactly how much of a difference there is between the engines
We need this video redone with the long range having the acceleration boost option. Please mate. That will be the most interesting telsa race that ALOT of people are waiting for.
Dyno testing shows that above 80mph (I don't remember exact speed), the Performance and AWD produces the same HP and torque. The Performance is definitely producing more power at lower speeds. The Performance and AWD shares the same motor, but the performance is a better binned motor. The AWD is software locked to lower power. The reason the 2021 Performance lost to the 2020 Long Range at higher speeds in this video is because for the 2021 Model 3 refresh, Tesla changed the battery temperature profile for increased efficiency to reduce heating the battery. However, that means the 2021 Model 3's generally have lower battery temperatures while driving, which significantly reduces performance in cold weather and lower battery levels. The 2018-2020 Model 3s do not have this issue. You can see more about this in the video below. This is a big issue that I hope Tesla fix with an OTA update. ua-cam.com/video/FqGR6X5Wfhc/v-deo.html
@@andreavenaa Same... though really cold weather doesn't affect me too much down here in Alabama. I can still tell there's a big drop in efficiency when it's cold though.
The Performance and LR do not share the same rear motor anymore, they did in early 2019, the Performance is using the 980 and the LR is using 990 motor today.
I'm pretty sure the long range in the video already had the performance option, because it had the red line under the long range badge, something only performance models get.
@@alfrredd I was wondering about the same. If the red Line underneath the Dual Motor lettering was on the LR. It seems to be a base performance Model 3. usually they are quicker than the „normal“ Performance Cars because of the lighter Wheels and better Aerodynamics🤷♂️ Anyhow, Matt shows the settings on hin dual motor, and it does not show the Sport option . Only Chill and Standard. Which leads to a non boosted LR :)
I'm guessing one difference may be the size/weight of the tires, perhaps at high speeds that's a slight drag on acceleration. The main benefit of Performance trim is track mode, which lets you adjust the traction for whatever event you're planning to participate in, it also lets the battery cooling operate at a higher level, to help the vehicle maintain that level of performance for extended periods of time. ua-cam.com/video/Z4Fb6ToAg6k/v-deo.html And perhaps on the track it theoretically could make sense to optimize for stronger acceleration below 70mph, in order to dart out of those twists and turns and make up time on the deceleration around corners and such. No idea if this actually a factor though.
From 0 there are a lot of videos, but none that shows the difference between P and AWD w. Acceleration boost at rolling starts at the different speeds. This I would love to see.
That car doesn’t exist. The acceleration boost comes on the perf model lol.. the only other way to get it is in the model S or higher there is a model that you can get that. In the model 3 you have to get performance model to get that
@@xGR1MxREAPERxYou responded to a 2 year old comment. Also you're wrong, on the long range 3 And Y you can download the acceleration boost upgrade for $2000
@@xGR1MxREAPERxlol I literally have it in my car. And it’s basically as fast as a performance. You’d only lose by half a car. If you get a ghost chip. The long range is faster than the Performance.
I can’t believe how fascinating these outcomes were wow. Would not have expected the top end speed from the long range. Would love to see the acceleration boost upgrade video!
Adding an LR with Acceleration Boost to the mix would be great to see - LR vs. LRAB vs. Perf. Would definitely help me decide whether to get Acceleration Boost on my LR.
It would literally sit in between the two off the line, and then above 50mph the same as the LR. Only the newer performance has the newer Panasonic 82kwh battery which seems to be lacking in output at higher speeds, at least on v cold days like this was!
@@RSEV which software version was the Performance running? Could it be some sort of software battery protection in cold weather situations? Or perhaps the new heat pump plays a role here?
@@base924 I do not recall what it was at the time, it was end of Jan. I think it’s a just the newer 82kwh pack behaves differently to the 75kwh packs in the Lr (and pre-refresh performance).
@@LazyTom10 Exactly. Most don't know Tesla allowed you to buy a P3 with Long Range wheel and brake package. The underlined dual motor badge gives it away. The difference in speed, is really a 1st gen performance vs the 2021 M3 refresh with a bigger battery.
@@LazyTom10 No its's not. You can see from the screen that acceleration is in standard not sport (only bosted long range and performance has sport mode). Also there is no red stripe under the dual motor badge.
@@stjerneskruetraekker Sure, the software gives the P an eventual higher top speed (which can't really be used anywhere outside an autobahn) but going by this video, my LR with boost is going to be hanging onto to the back of a P from the start - and then bizarrely, overtaking it.
@@stjerneskruetraekker For top speed, electric cars aren't the way to go. I wonder how far you could drive at 261 before having to stop because of overheating? I bet the answer is about 10 minutes.
The larger UberHeavy wheels 🛞on the Model 3 Performance really hold it back at higher speeds. They made a version of the Performance Model 3 that had the smaller lighter wheels and the regular brakes. Those “Stealth” Performance model 3s are some of the fastest Model 3s ever made.
Hi all, I’ll add my comments here... 1) The speed difference at higher end seems to be down to this new bigger pack in the newer performance. It just lacks output at higher speeds, at least in these colder conditions. Maybe on warmer days it’s different, but from my own tests so far it’s consistently slightly slower than LR 75kwh cars above 50mph. 2) a Long Range with “acceleration boost” (a £1500 option which can be unlocked from owners app) would sit right in between the performance and the Lr off the line. Above 50mph it would be the same as the Long Range. 3) for new performance v old performance, stay tuned to this channel. 4) braking... I’m 95kg in weight thanks Mat 😂🤔. The newer performance has Pirelli’s and I’m not a fan of them in cold weather. They’re also narrower than the Michelin’s that used to be on performance (2cm less on the road per tyre).
2 years late but on both acceleration and braking the LR will have an advantage due to smaller wheels which are lighter, not much mass difference but rotational mass is more important especially when changing speed
Interesting test. On the road, in everyday driving, the SR+ is all you need…it’s bloody fast. You don’t quite get the initial kick of the other two, but it goes. Efficient and cheap to run too.
Hey guys, check the footage from any cameras you had in the performance pointed at the screen for battery levels. Power output is reduced depending on battery level (though differences are marginal above 70%). Could explain the LR pulling ahead of the performance.
I can tell you, I measured it on my channel. With boost the LR is faster at lower speed and manages a 11.8s quarter mile time. At higher speeds the boost doesnt add anything though, so the results would be pretty much the same. Except the M3P would be even faster now, as this video was done with an old software where power got cut at lower temperatures.
If that is a 2021 performance, Bjorn Nyland found it suffered heavily from the new heat pump setup in cooler temperatures. The heat pumps pulls the heat from the battery resulting in poor power output, making it slower than the LR in some conditions. That could be the reason the 2020 LR caught up with it as the day went on, the P could have been suffering from a cold battery.
This is the right answer. With that the 2021 performance will do more than 1 lap on the Nordschleife and you can keep the battery cool which is way more important for a Performance car
Thats only a consideration in cold weather. I think they simply charged the Long Range after the Performance, so the battery was warmer, resulting in higher peak power. They should have set the same SoC and the same temperature with ScanMyTesla, but thats a lot to expect from a non EV media producer
I would be really interested in seeing a race between an upgraded Model 3 Long Range and a stock Long Range! Throw in a performance one too to make it interesting. 😝🤙🏻
The long range seems to be alot better than the standard range plus and alot better range but just barely not as good as the performance but still impressive but also has a little better range than the performance. All in all the long range model seems to be the winner in my book for everyday driving. Great video guys thank you! Long range it is you made my mind up! I have a 100 mile round trip commute so when I finally pay my diesel truck off I can afford my new tesla hopefully! I work at a rv dealership so plugging in the work will be free and fast!
Keep in mind, the performance model was not set at its fullest potential in the settings. it is set to standard or the lowest to keep the specs the same for the test. But once you turn up sports function rather than standard/comfort. you can see the big difference.
I actually think the one in this video has the Accel Boost, but @carwow just didn't know it. 1/4 mile times are indicative of such since they are exactly a half second apart. It also looks the part as I've seen the race between those two before on other channels such as Dragtimes and the separation distance at launch looks nearly the same.
@@midrenthje Good eye. You're right then it's not Boosted. In which case I can't explain how it was only a 0.5s difference in this comparison because it should be a full second difference based on past data in the last year. Unless the newer 2021 LR models have more power due to the larger battery packs and thus the gap is even less. Makes me wonder what the 2021 LR w/ AB runs in the 1/4 mile.
@@taipoxin I won't believe it until they show all the soc's in a continuous cut. And I say that as a proud dual motor with acceleration boost owner. I don't think the different battery plays a part in this.
13.8 by the M4 SRP is very respectable considering the price of the car. Also, I think 5.3 seconds from 0 to 60 would have most everyday drivers squealing in delight and/or fear. Not bad for a relatively cheap car.
@@henryruanli on second look, it looks like they threw in some b-roll from a car that's not even in the video. So it is a long-range. Weird video editing on their part.
Awesome! Please do one with the performance upgrade vs no upgrade vs performance! I thought the main difference between the performance and long range dual motor was just software slowing you down. Bet the upgrade puts it level with the performance.
Definitely do a comparison with the acceleration boost. Want to see the difference with the long range and performance at all these speed tests. At the end we will know if it's worth the 2000 extra expense.
The thing that bothers me with this video is the white LR is the stealth performance as indicated by the red line under the dual motor badge and likely had track mode turned off..I would be curious to see the difference (if any) between the LR and the stealth performance LR.
@@superleggenda I re-watched the video and you are correct. Good catch! But thank you I will check that out. I have a stealth myself so I have always been curious as to whether there is a difference between the two.
Yes please, make the comparison with the performance upgrade. It is called Acceleration Boost and is available for the M3 LR AWD. Would be interesting to see a drag race between M3 LR AWD with Acceleration Boost vs. M3 Performance.
another vote for a showdown of the the Long Range with Boost patch. i've also heard that's $2k well spent ($6k savings on the full fat Performance model) since they are basically identical cars underneath.
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I bought a lot today in low 600's.if it gose down it's just a number for me instead of long term investing in TESLA the world best company saving our planet I'll die trying with TESLA
hey there i'm with a m3P, my insides: track mode preconditions the battery and due to lower resistance at higher temperatures there will be more electricity available for the motors. what i notice is often when the the state of charge goes down you get electricity limited vs. engine limited . . . a nice to have feature is the regen.braking at 100% as well, otherwise your brakes will explode after 1 min unless you get an upgrade. peace
Why the hell would they work for a dying dictatorship like the BBC when they are killing it on their own channels and businesses, i would not...would you? Besides is topgear still a thing have not watched that since the old gang left.
We just got the 2021 performance 3 and man oh man is it fun to drive. I feel so dominant on the road. I can pretty much overtake anything on the road. My girlfriend cut her work commute in half with even conservative measurements.
I think a lot of people think you're always flooring it from traffic lights, but in reality, with it being a single gear with so much torque, you get up to 30 or 40 comfortably without noticing how fast it happened until the person behind you is left behind. 😅
That’s a little bit exaggeration to cut the time in half lol... that is saying your gf drove twice as fast as before which is a crazy bump! Maybe it’s true... anyway my CLA45 AMG won’t be able to hang with Model 3 P until we all reach 70 mph.. this is when I thrive against the Model 3 performance. Timed my car speed against this
@@arelaththewhitewolf230 it's not at all if you're driving a 2004 acura TL with damn near broken power steering and a really bad wheel alignment. Where are you driving 70 miles per hour on the daily though?🤔
Absolute love my SR+, rwd drive en lighter then the longrange. Fast enough and a joy to drive. Planning on buying some lightweight 18 inch wheels and a 25mm lowering.
This is everything you need to know about the M3P, straight from Travis: I keep hearing people say “State of Charge affects acceleration in the Model 3 the most”. While State of Charge does affect acceleration. The temperature of the battery mid pack is the single most important factor for determining how fast the Model 3 Performance will accelerate. This video will show you why that is. The absolute quickest acceleration in the Model 3 Performance is achieved when the battery pack temperature is between 125 to 137 degrees Fahrenheit, the State of Charge is 100%, and the motors are as cold as possible. That will give you a “Max Discharge Value” of 629 HP or 462 KW at the battery. However, this video will look at the cases where those parameters are not at their optimal values. If State of Charge drops to 87% but battery temperatures remain at 135 degrees Fahrenheit, the “Max Discharge Value” will still be 615 HP. That is only a 2% drop in performance even with less than 90% SOC. However, if we raise the SOC from 87% to 89% and drop the temperature in the battery down to 42 degrees Fahrenheit or 5.8 degrees C then the “Max Discharge Value” will drop all the way down to 365 KW or 496 HP. That would be a MASSIVE 20% decrease in performance from battery temperature alone. In this case we have increased the SOC by 2% but lost 10 times the amount of performance because the battery is cold. I can’t stress this enough. Battery temperatures affect acceleration so much that the battery SOC becomes irrelevant if the battery is cold. To illustrate the point even further I tested this with the SOC at 55% and the battery Temperature at 122 degrees F. The max discharge rate was 570 HP. That is almost 70 HP greater than the cold battery at 89%. Imagine keeping up with someone at 89% SOC when you only had 55% SOC. At 76% SOC with the battery at 119.3 degrees F you still can achieve a 598 HP Max Discharge Value. That is only 5% off the absolute maximum acceleration potential with a ¼ of the battery gone. Even if we go down to 32% SOC of charge with a more normal 88.7 Degree F battery we can still have a 511 HP Max Discharge Value. We can go as low as 16% SOC with a 118.4 Degree F battery and still have a 496 HP Max Discharge Value. That equals the 496 HP we saw in the earlier example with an 89% SOC and a 42 degree F battery. You can get a similar Max Discharge value from 16% SOC as you can with 89% SOC in this scenario. This really is important to stress to everyone. However, I must also tell you that my testing has shown that the affects of heating the battery don’t come into play until after 40 mph. If you heat the battery hoping to see 20% or more improvement in 0-60 mph it won’t happen. Cold motors are actually more important for 0-60 mph in the Model 3 Performance. Once you pass 40 mph and especially after you hit the peak HP at 55 mph you will see a significant increase in performance regardless of the State of Charge. The lowest Max Discharge Value I have seen was 351 HP at 6% SOC when I drove 283 miles without charging in my 2 year old Model 3 Performance. I still had 18 miles left of range too. However, the car was EXTREMELY slow at that point. However, there is one benefit to a low SOC. The max regen braking capabilities only occur at a lower SOC with a hot battery. In sport mode you will only see about 116 HP of regen with a fully preconditioned battery. However, in Track Mode with a 118.4 degrees F battery and with 16% battery SOC I saw 241 HP of regen braking capabilities. That is extremely strong braking from regen alone. It is important to also understand that the scenarios I have displayed here only apply to the Model 3 Performance. Battery temperature may not affect the Long Range car’s acceleration in exactly the same way. Eventually I would like to test non Performance models and even the Model X and Model S to see how temperature affects those cars. I have seen several videos that indicate that the Model S Plaid is capable of achieving more than 1,100 HP at the battery if the conditions are optimal. However, that car in particular really needs cold motors and better tires for optimal performance.
Keep in mind, the performance model was not set at its fullest potential in the settings. it is set to standard or the lowest to keep the specs the same for the test. But once you turn up sports function rather than standard/comfort. you can see the big difference.
At 29 seconds they show a white car with a dual motor badge with a red line. In the us that means it’s a performance model 3. Is it different in the uk? Or am I missing something here?
My uncle has a Long Range just like the one in this video and I absolutely adore it. The car that made me see the light in EVs. Very surprising outcome.
I'm still confused. The distant shot of the LR does not have the stripe, then the close-up does. Two different cars and if the red stripe one isn't a performance then it's stealth, eh?
@@mparker59 I think the close-up shot is from another video, maybe they just forgot to record anything on the day. There isn't another drag race with a white performance Model 3 on the channel but they could have spare footage from somewhere else. Only the performance cars have the red stripe, the stealth don't get it.
The Long Range AWD is really just a software-locked performance model. There are third party modules out there that will take an older Long Range AWD and turn it into a Performance model. I'd assume the reason why the Performance model lost is because after many repeated runs at full performance, the battery was getting hot. Whereas the Long Range at locked-performance wasn't being fully utilized, so the battery was cooler.
Nope, motors are the same, once you go past max amps from the battery they fall off the same, so speed is down to wheels being heavier on the P. That is why each time they increased the speed, the difference between them all became smaller.
Where do you get these fantasy HP numbers from?? Performance is 600HP or 520HP measured on the wheels using dyno. Long Range is 446HP (or 490HP with Performance DLC boost)
@@apekatt2007 DLC stand for downloadable Content. Content is meant as a consumable UX piece. Nobody would argue that a software unlock isnt a DLC. It just ticks the box, nothing else.
@@EmptyRoad Read what I just wrote - Go teach Tesla. I'm an IT developer as well, so you don't have to tell me what DLC stands for. A line of code is still a DLC if the owner decides it to be. Speed boost DLC in this case
@@apekatt2007 i dont need to teach Tesla -they arent naming it like this - but you. The term is used in the videogames domain for additional content. And even there you dont call it DLC when you for example mod a car. I dont know why we are even arguing over this. Apperently everything OTA is a DLC for you.
This is the only video on UA-cam to actually have all 3 versions of the model 3 racing to compare each other. Always wanted to see the sr plus vs long range and no one has ever done it. This video is even better because it has all 3. Have to say I kinda regret getting the sr plus instead of the long range seeing the difference on speed visually. Don’t get me wrong I love my Tesla and is fast, but seeing the difference now makes me want the long range
Hey guys in the shot of the long range of the badge it had a RED underline...this makes it a Stealth performance...can you confirm? Also you should drag with track mode on nextime as that's what you pay for in a performance... TIA
It seems like they somehow mixed up the pictures and videos. At 0:37 you can see (pause and take a screenshot) that the Dual Motor is NOT underlined with anything. And if it was the stealth, it would have ran an 11.8 as the P, no?
that's good and bad. makes sense to some extent but I have a stealth performance and feel it's not as "fast" accelerating as a full performance model. But totally makes sense why there is hardly any difference in the rolling races. But the thing they always don't mention is stated battery charge for all three vehicles
I think it’s the wrong badge on the back as I have a stealth performance model 3 and the only options for acceleration are chill and sport. Checking the registration for the one Matt is driving it shows up as long range model 3 (mine correctly shows as a performance model 3). To be honest I’m not hugely surprised that the long range is so fast as it is just a software limited performance, though have heard that the motors are no longer the same. If I was buying again I’d just go for the long range as would be more than fast enough and virtually never use full acceleration as can reach illegal speeds very quickly.
On the breaking performance I think or you would see the difference between the performance model and the long range would be on the track situation where you're continually building up heat. Also there's a track mode I believe in the settings that allow you to hang the ass out a little bit more. Also think there's some difference in the cooling system programming that it will go to maximum cooling when it's set in track mode to help keep the battery better managed
performance weights more then the long range so it is why the long range has an easier time catching up towards the performance. It catches upon it very quickly when acceleration kicks in I suppose
Likely the same rear motor in both but with different gearing and maybe a slight increase in amperage sent to the rear motor in the performance. The similar weights is an indication of that possibility
Yeah my brother has a performance and a friend has a normal long range. In real life the cars are wildly different. There's some serious hanky panky going on with this video.
@LazyTom10 it is not the stealth. The stealth is faster. This is the regular performance. The stealth has 18s not 19s and silver brakes not red. Also no rear spoiler
Would there be a difference in the outcome if the Performance was in track mode? My guess is the larger brakes and heavier wheel package are severely hurting the higher speed performance.
You are exactly right about that. The moment of inertia of the larger brakes and wheels takes away from acceleration. It is also costly for range. On the long range model, the standard 18” (same as on Matt’s car here) gets 25 miles more range than the 19” upgrade. Yes it’s not the most elegant wheel especially since it has a hubcap but it’s cheaper, more economical and faster. That’s why I’ve always said it’s silly for people that buy sports cars to put ridiculously large rims on them. You’re just robbing performance. You’re also reducing the internal air volume which makes the ride harsher.
Depends if the Performance was throwing dots on the charge meter. If the Performance had Dots appear due to battery heat / no cool down period then the software was limiting power - like a limp mode.
Can it be that the battery and drivetrain of the performance model is near or at the temperature limit (increased heat due to more performance) and therefore the performance has been limited? But still, it’s highly disturbing and disappointing. @carwow can you do a similar drag race with the Model S variants?
Highly doubt it's temps. Model 3 P stays cool as mess even under repeated quarter mile runs. I've tracked mine for 50 minutes of near full throttle usage in track mode and rarely get above yellow temp zones and I guarantee the temps where I live are way higher than where carWOW is filmed. I'm in Florida in USA. The difference here is wheels. The stock uberturbine wheels on the 2021 M3P weigh over 62lbs EACH. At higher speed, they're a devil to turn faster. M3P uberturbine wheels outweigh the wheels on the model 3 LR by nearly 40%. Using 19" Martian Wheels, my M3P does the quarter-mile in 11.51 seconds. That would be 2-3 car lengths ahead of the Model 3 LR. Put the same wheels on each car and you'll see the m3p steadily pull away from the long range in every scenario. i1 Tesla channel has already done that test. These electrics have nutty instant torque but only ~450 horsepower. That heavy wheel weight at higher speeds really affects performance more than at lower speeds. Until about 50mph, it's a torque game. After that horsepower matters more and those super heavy wheels on the m3p are whats slowing it down.
@@AndrasHatvani 40% more unsprung weight makes a massive difference in acceleration above 50mph, especially on electric. You won't find a single competitive model 3 drag racer using stock wheels. Martian Wheels in 18" size weigh 21lbs. Stock UberTurbine are north of 62lbs. That much unsprung weight is a crazy big difference. In this video, the UberTurbines only weight around 40% more than the smaller aeros, but more than enough to explain why the LR is able to catch the performance on top end. A true test of the different versions is to have everything identical except the drivetrains. This video doesn't do that. With identical wheels the performance will pull away from the LR at 70+ mph similarly to how the LR pulls on the performance in this video at the higher speeds. That coupled with the much faster performance acceleration from 0, means it isn't even close, as there isn't a speed where the LR would close the gap. Plus the performance has a higher top speed, though the distance to get there would be beyond the length of any conventional race. Either way, I can guarantee you that the Model 3 performance in this video isn't suffering from heat issues. I've beat the hell out of mine on tracks in 85F+ weather and it hasn't even blinked.
@@Unkn0wnC0mmand I accept your arguments, but not the weight numbers: you compared the martian wheels' weight without tires to the Überturbines with tires. According to this thread teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/2021-uberturbine-wheel-weight.217884/ the Überturbine wheels with tires weigh 54,5 lbs and 32 lbs without. So they are "just" 50% heavier than the 18" Martians. I hope @carwow will do these races with identical trims again.
I can’t believe everybody keeps missing the fact that that long range is a stealth. Look at 00:27. There is clearly a redline under the dual motor badge. It should be about the same as the performance.
And I cant believe there like 100 different people that saw that editing error but didn't notice for the rest of the video it didn't have the red line , it was just a regular LR car, just a mixup in editing where they used old footage of a white performance car
Please do another retake with the Long Range with the Performance Upgrade?!?!? 🙏🙏🙏 Oh, and for the best sound, it is a toss up between the TIE fighters and the wicked Falcon
@@Scnottaken well I have the stock 20 on mine and 18 for all weather and 20 feels slightly slower. But at high speed to lose like that , and pay 6 to 7k more. It hurts.
@@SatnamSingh-zh1oo yeah, it shouldn't lose, something doesn't seem right about it (I don't know if it's the test it the Teslas). Still, you'll get a much better track performance with the performance model.
@@zbyszanna I played with a Lamborghini urus and I beat him on low speed 40 and up. But on high speed I was the same untill 70 ish. So something up with car.
The SR+ may be the slowest Tesla, but it is not slow at all. The model 3 SR+ would destroy most "average" cars in a race since it does 0-60 in 5.3 seconds, which is as quick as a mid range sports car.
13.8s for the bottom of the range SR+ quarter mile is impressive. Aston Martin DB6 Vantage around 15 secs, Jaguar E-type 4.2 16 secs, AC Cobra 289 14.4 secs. They were the benchmarks in my youth.
Sharp eye, I had to go back and look at it. You're right, perhaps the white LR was actually a stealth performace? (Performance without the tires or brakes)
I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED your content. Great engagement with your audience. I’m thinking of getting a Model 3 but not sure which one. I’m NOT going to get rid of my Challenger Scat Pack though. Nothing beats the sound and fun of my Scat Pack. Terrific video! SUBSCRIBED!!
I have a Longe Range 2019 Model 3 with the acceleration boost upgrade . Definitely noticed a big difference in acceleration would be cool to see the difference to the performance M3...::. Feel free to use my car👍🏴
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Mat vs Yianni running race! We won’t stop until u do it!
Stupid
1/4 mile In 12 minutes
Nice idea brother
100meters or 400?
Just give up mate they won't do it
3:29 1st drag race
4:16 2nd drag race
5:33 rolling race 30mph
6:40 rolling race 50mph
7:45 rolling race 70mph
8:52 brake test
Thank you. So sick of the crap fillers.
These videos really need those UA-cam chapter things
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Thanks. This guy really loves the sound of his own voice.
Thank you! I used to like it when the videos were ‘straight to the point’ ~3 minutes long but now, they should really add chapter markers to filter out the fillings.
I am CONVINCED that they use the same 3 2 1 sound effect everytime even with different people
They do lol so then they don't have to keep recording audio
You would be correct
Yep. Just common sense
Yep, bloke does a very good female voice
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Reality: some man
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It is a gurl bruh
I have a feeling the voice over is done by Matt's girlfriend Jo.
Even the “racing driver” said “I went when HIS hands dropped”.
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This is the video I REALLY wanted. I’ve always wanted to see the standard vs long range. People always do standard vs performance or long range vs performance but this is the one I really wanted.
Hmmm
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@@DyslexicMitochondria Omg hi! Didn't expect to see you here
I see you in every car video comments
if you’re in the market for one, get the long range, not the standard
Wouldn’t it be cool if we saw this with other cars models?? I’d love to see for example how all the Golfs compare with different engines in the lineup from the same year or generation. Just to see exactly how much of a difference there is between the engines
Perfect idea
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This needs to happen 👍
That would be a really cool idea. Also, the mid range vs high range models. Like: Stelvio Veloce vs Stelvio Q, E43AMG vs E63AMG, Focus ST vs RS, etc.
Yes we need bmw 530i vs 530e vs 540i vs 550i vs m5 vs m5comp vs m5cs and all of their rwd/awd variants
We need this video redone with the long range having the acceleration boost option. Please mate. That will be the most interesting telsa race that ALOT of people are waiting for.
The long range one sounded the best imo, although the other two were pretty close. Comes down to personal preference I think.
i think this was second the best sound test from carwow, the first one is obviously the porsche 911 with its vacuum cleaner sound
Love an American V8 😍
When you think about it, This is one of the best sounding one after porsche 911 turbos
@@human-ej7ne well that’s what i said
You might even say its a...Tie...
"Zis is for ze Germans, Jaa Autobahn style" 😂
😆. That accent gets me all the time.
🤣🔥
Love that accent. Some people here in Germany are actually speaking like this :)
Aber ich finde das nicht schlimm
7:22 that Jerking in the Sr+ 😂🤣
reminds me of my old 50hp seat ibiza on the motorway :D
@@siggi0633 cant say i relate since ive got a stage 2 on my daily 😅, if anything the car makes me jerk from the torque 😂
legit racing driver strat
Makes car go faster of course
He was pushing it forward lol
Ngl this the greatest sound test ever made!
VBVBC
HGMHG
JHMMJH
the greatest sound is made by the new porsche 911, DO YOU NOT LIKE VACUUM CLEANERS??
joke so stale just like u
Man i have to agree.
These 3 cars sound epic.
😁
Agreed
Dyno testing shows that above 80mph (I don't remember exact speed), the Performance and AWD produces the same HP and torque. The Performance is definitely producing more power at lower speeds. The Performance and AWD shares the same motor, but the performance is a better binned motor. The AWD is software locked to lower power.
The reason the 2021 Performance lost to the 2020 Long Range at higher speeds in this video is because for the 2021 Model 3 refresh, Tesla changed the battery temperature profile for increased efficiency to reduce heating the battery. However, that means the 2021 Model 3's generally have lower battery temperatures while driving, which significantly reduces performance in cold weather and lower battery levels. The 2018-2020 Model 3s do not have this issue. You can see more about this in the video below. This is a big issue that I hope Tesla fix with an OTA update.
ua-cam.com/video/FqGR6X5Wfhc/v-deo.html
This is the best comment under the entire video. Thank you for explaining!
Glad I got my 2020 Performance :)
@@andreavenaa Same... though really cold weather doesn't affect me too much down here in Alabama. I can still tell there's a big drop in efficiency when it's cold though.
@@JohnDoe-oz6fh The cold weather range thing? If so, we'll see in a few more months I guess.
The Performance and LR do not share the same rear motor anymore, they did in early 2019, the Performance is using the 980 and the LR is using 990 motor today.
I love the sound of that Tesla!
@Niralok it's a joke mate
@@jackkavanagh2487 😆😂
@Niralok Bruh! Its a joke.
@Niralok Why 🤔🤔
Can’t tell if troll, lie or sad.
Yes, please compare the Tesla Model 3 Performance vs the Long range with the performance boost option 👍
They don't even need to spend money, they can ask for a refund after the race
I'm pretty sure the long range in the video already had the performance option, because it had the red line under the long range badge, something only performance models get.
@@alfrredd that was just an editing gaff
@@alfrredd I was wondering about the same. If the red Line underneath the Dual Motor lettering was on the LR. It seems to be a base performance Model 3. usually they are quicker than the „normal“ Performance Cars because of the lighter Wheels and better Aerodynamics🤷♂️
Anyhow, Matt shows the settings on hin dual motor, and it does not show the Sport option . Only Chill and Standard. Which leads to a non boosted LR :)
So if i upgrade my Tesla long range with performance upgrade, my dual motor underline will change from chrome to red? 😉
Yes. Test again with the longe range acceleration boost to see how close it is to the performance.
there are other channels that have done that already. Its not far off what the performance is but performance is still faster.
I'm guessing one difference may be the size/weight of the tires, perhaps at high speeds that's a slight drag on acceleration.
The main benefit of Performance trim is track mode, which lets you adjust the traction for whatever event you're planning to participate in, it also lets the battery cooling operate at a higher level, to help the vehicle maintain that level of performance for extended periods of time.
ua-cam.com/video/Z4Fb6ToAg6k/v-deo.html
And perhaps on the track it theoretically could make sense to optimize for stronger acceleration below 70mph, in order to dart out of those twists and turns and make up time on the deceleration around corners and such. No idea if this actually a factor though.
They forgot to mention that his car already had the long range acceleration boost
@@tiago.lajas.00 no it didn't. The steering mode only had chill and standard
From 0 there are a lot of videos, but none that shows the difference between P and AWD w. Acceleration boost at rolling starts at the different speeds. This I would love to see.
Mat PLEASE get a model 3 long range with the acceleration boost vs the performance, it would be very interesting to watch and probably a close race.
That car doesn’t exist. The acceleration boost comes on the perf model lol.. the only other way to get it is in the model S or higher there is a model that you can get that. In the model 3 you have to get performance model to get that
@@xGR1MxREAPERxYou responded to a 2 year old comment. Also you're wrong, on the long range 3 And Y you can download the acceleration boost upgrade for $2000
@@xGR1MxREAPERxnot true I have a long range and also the option to buy the 2k upgrade on it right now
@@xGR1MxREAPERxlol I literally have it in my car. And it’s basically as fast as a performance. You’d only lose by half a car. If you get a ghost chip. The long range is faster than the Performance.
This is the only true good channel where they legit compare cars. Not comparing a F1 car to a Go-Kart in a rainy day etc. Love it!
Are we just gonna ignore what the driver was doing at 7:22? 💀😂😂
Haha I noticed that 😂😂
I noticed it too lmao😂
He need more speed
Wtf i didn't see that 😂
Just came to the comments section to post that lmao
7:22 *The driver in the Standard Plus* *LMAO* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not the first time he does this 😂
He was going absolutely ape!
I can’t believe how fascinating these outcomes were wow. Would not have expected the top end speed from the long range. Would love to see the acceleration boost upgrade video!
Elle est déjà en boost...
Different (newer and slower) battery in the performance
It has smaller wheels I believe which is the likely reason
Adding an LR with Acceleration Boost to the mix would be great to see - LR vs. LRAB vs. Perf. Would definitely help me decide whether to get Acceleration Boost on my LR.
It would literally sit in between the two off the line, and then above 50mph the same as the LR.
Only the newer performance has the newer Panasonic 82kwh battery which seems to be lacking in output at higher speeds, at least on v cold days like this was!
@@RSEV which software version was the Performance running? Could it be some sort of software battery protection in cold weather situations? Or perhaps the new heat pump plays a role here?
@@base924 I do not recall what it was at the time, it was end of Jan. I think it’s a just the newer 82kwh pack behaves differently to the 75kwh packs in the Lr (and pre-refresh performance).
I second this. I think this option would be like 95% that of a performance version.
@@RSEV So the 75kWh performance is quicker at high speed rolling starts?
I want to see this same race but add the acceleration boost to the long range model, I bet it will be even closer to the performance one.
ua-cam.com/video/jTdPjScgolo/v-deo.html
The “long range” car in this video is actually the stealth performance.
@@LazyTom10 Exactly. Most don't know Tesla allowed you to buy a P3 with Long Range wheel and brake package. The underlined dual motor badge gives it away. The difference in speed, is really a 1st gen performance vs the 2021 M3 refresh with a bigger battery.
@@LazyTom10 No its's not. You can see from the screen that acceleration is in standard not sport (only bosted long range and performance has sport mode). Also there is no red stripe under the dual motor badge.
@@hanhhuynh9089 Did you watch the video? At the 25 sec mark they show the red line under the badge.
I didn't think this would be interesting at all but it really was - surprise!
Thank you!
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說到食物，不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。相反，他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。他們學會了清潔，切塊，調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，在食品市場上被忽略的部分家用蔬菜和肉類，並且學會了使用芳香的木煙（如山核桃，山核桃和豆科灌木
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AWD + acceleration boost upgrade is almost like a performance
Not when you drive on Autobahn, trust me! 261 km/h vs 233 km/h
@@stjerneskruetraekker Sure, the software gives the P an eventual higher top speed (which can't really be used anywhere outside an autobahn) but going by this video, my LR with boost is going to be hanging onto to the back of a P from the start - and then bizarrely, overtaking it.
@@stjerneskruetraekker For top speed, electric cars aren't the way to go. I wonder how far you could drive at 261 before having to stop because of overheating? I bet the answer is about 10 minutes.
@@Iffy50 the same goes for gas cars.... Bugatti Veyron can drive for 8 minutes at it’s top speed...
@@russefrance4869 something seemed Odd here... maybe SoC was low on the P
7:19 look at the racing driver's frustration
Leaping and dancing in the car😂😂😂😂
Hahah, didn't see that one for the first time xD
The larger UberHeavy wheels 🛞on the Model 3 Performance really hold it back at higher speeds. They made a version of the Performance Model 3 that had the smaller lighter wheels and the regular brakes. Those “Stealth” Performance model 3s are some of the fastest Model 3s ever made.
Just put 18s on my M3P for the sake of fewer bent wheels/blown tires and being a bit faster.
Hi all, I’ll add my comments here...
1) The speed difference at higher end seems to be down to this new bigger pack in the newer performance. It just lacks output at higher speeds, at least in these colder conditions. Maybe on warmer days it’s different, but from my own tests so far it’s consistently slightly slower than LR 75kwh cars above 50mph.
2) a Long Range with “acceleration boost” (a £1500 option which can be unlocked from owners app) would sit right in between the performance and the Lr off the line. Above 50mph it would be the same as the Long Range.
3) for new performance v old performance, stay tuned to this channel.
4) braking... I’m 95kg in weight thanks Mat 😂🤔. The newer performance has Pirelli’s and I’m not a fan of them in cold weather. They’re also narrower than the Michelin’s that used to be on performance (2cm less on the road per tyre).
2 years late but on both acceleration and braking the LR will have an advantage due to smaller wheels which are lighter, not much mass difference but rotational mass is more important especially when changing speed
Did anyone see the standard plus driver just jolting forward to gain extra speed
Yeah hahaha he was like plssss
Laws of motion, he's putting an equal amount of force back and front, impossible to work.
@@bign3ck you must be the fun one at parties
Mat, for EV drag races it’ll be useful if your team included current state of charge (SOC) numbers with the HP and weight stats 👍🏾
He did, he said they were both at 90%
3:52 Just gotta love how the front end just lifts up n takes off!
Interesting test.
On the road, in everyday driving, the SR+ is all you need…it’s bloody fast. You don’t quite get the initial kick of the other two, but it goes. Efficient and cheap to run too.
Sadly wish they added the better audio option to the SR+. I would definitly go for that one.
@@HermanWillems That’s a shame, as the one that comes with it is excellent.
Hey guys, check the footage from any cameras you had in the performance pointed at the screen for battery levels. Power output is reduced depending on battery level (though differences are marginal above 70%). Could explain the LR pulling ahead of the performance.
I also really want to know this. The way the Performance gets hobbled on battery is criminal. Bjorn showed previous years didn’t do this.
Idk, bad car bad company
Absolutely would love to see what happens with ‘performance boost feature’ enabled on Long Range version vs the Actual Performance version
I can tell you, I measured it on my channel. With boost the LR is faster at lower speed and manages a 11.8s quarter mile time. At higher speeds the boost doesnt add anything though, so the results would be pretty much the same. Except the M3P would be even faster now, as this video was done with an old software where power got cut at lower temperatures.
If that is a 2021 performance, Bjorn Nyland found it suffered heavily from the new heat pump setup in cooler temperatures. The heat pumps pulls the heat from the battery resulting in poor power output, making it slower than the LR in some conditions. That could be the reason the 2020 LR caught up with it as the day went on, the P could have been suffering from a cold battery.
This is the right answer. With that the 2021 performance will do more than 1 lap on the Nordschleife and you can keep the battery cool which is way more important for a Performance car
Thats only a consideration in cold weather. I think they simply charged the Long Range after the Performance, so the battery was warmer, resulting in higher peak power. They should have set the same SoC and the same temperature with ScanMyTesla, but thats a lot to expect from a non EV media producer
@@EmptyRoad remember this was filmed late winter in the UK, whilst sunny it could still have been quite cold.
I would be really interested in seeing a race between an upgraded Model 3 Long Range and a stock Long Range!
Throw in a performance one too to make it interesting. 😝🤙🏻
The long range seems to be alot better than the standard range plus and alot better range but just barely not as good as the performance but still impressive but also has a little better range than the performance. All in all the long range model seems to be the winner in my book for everyday driving. Great video guys thank you! Long range it is you made my mind up! I have a 100 mile round trip commute so when I finally pay my diesel truck off I can afford my new tesla hopefully! I work at a rv dealership so plugging in the work will be free and fast!
The long range is definitely the more popular model of both the 3 and the Y.
Keep in mind, the performance model was not set at its fullest potential in the settings. it is set to standard or the lowest to keep the specs the same for the test. But once you turn up sports function rather than standard/comfort. you can see the big difference.
The performance vs the longe range with acceleration pack would be great to see (own the M 3 with acceleration pack myself). 😎👍
I actually think the one in this video has the Accel Boost, but @carwow just didn't know it. 1/4 mile times are indicative of such since they are exactly a half second apart. It also looks the part as I've seen the race between those two before on other channels such as Dragtimes and the separation distance at launch looks nearly the same.
@@taipoxin nope... I'm sure it hasn't. If it had the drive option would also say sport in stead of standard.
@@taipoxin go to 2:46....I have the acceleration pack and then it says sport just like the performance. 👌
@@midrenthje Good eye. You're right then it's not Boosted. In which case I can't explain how it was only a 0.5s difference in this comparison because it should be a full second difference based on past data in the last year. Unless the newer 2021 LR models have more power due to the larger battery packs and thus the gap is even less. Makes me wonder what the 2021 LR w/ AB runs in the 1/4 mile.
@@taipoxin I won't believe it until they show all the soc's in a continuous cut. And I say that as a proud dual motor with acceleration boost owner. I don't think the different battery plays a part in this.
13.8 by the M4 SRP is very respectable considering the price of the car. Also, I think 5.3 seconds from 0 to 60 would have most everyday drivers squealing in delight and/or fear. Not bad for a relatively cheap car.
Facts!
Long range worth the money 🔥
It’s the stealth performance. The video had it wrong.
@@LazyTom10 for real? I mean, I don’t know about Tesla’s car
@@henryruanli on second look, it looks like they threw in some b-roll from a car that's not even in the video. So it is a long-range. Weird video editing on their part.
@@LazyTom10 thanks for letting me know I will check that car in other videos
The acceleration settings from the screen are « chill »/« standard » which should indicate it is a long range model though…
Awesome! Please do one with the performance upgrade vs no upgrade vs performance! I thought the main difference between the performance and long range dual motor was just software slowing you down. Bet the upgrade puts it level with the performance.
Definitely do a comparison with the acceleration boost. Want to see the difference with the long range and performance at all these speed tests. At the end we will know if it's worth the 2000 extra expense.
It is, trust me ;)
The thing that bothers me with this video is the white LR is the stealth performance as indicated by the red line under the dual motor badge and likely had track mode turned off..I would be curious to see the difference (if any) between the LR and the stealth performance LR.
@@superleggenda I re-watched the video and you are correct. Good catch! But thank you I will check that out. I have a stealth myself so I have always been curious as to whether there is a difference between the two.
Yes please, make the comparison with the performance upgrade. It is called Acceleration Boost and is available for the M3 LR AWD. Would be interesting to see a drag race between M3 LR AWD with Acceleration Boost vs. M3 Performance.
another vote for a showdown of the the Long Range with Boost patch. i've also heard that's $2k well spent ($6k savings on the full fat Performance model) since they are basically identical cars underneath.
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Interesting, I would like to see all cars on the same size wheels, my guess is that the oversize wheels of the Performance model are a factor
hey there
i'm with a m3P, my insides:
track mode preconditions the battery and due to lower resistance at higher temperatures there will be more electricity available for the motors.
what i notice is often when the the state of charge goes down you get electricity limited vs. engine limited . . .
a nice to have feature is the regen.braking at 100% as well, otherwise your brakes will explode after 1 min unless you get an upgrade.
peace
Would love to see the test again with the LR with the performance boost👍👍💪
Elle est déjà en boost performance...
We need a video of the performance 3, the new S long range, and the 3 long range with acceleration boost
Yes please do a performance upgrade on the long range against the performance
Anyone else think that Mat and Yiannimize should be Top Gear presenters? The chemistry is good and the passion and knowledge is there!
Why the hell would they work for a dying dictatorship like the BBC when they are killing it on their own channels and businesses, i would not...would you? Besides is topgear still a thing have not watched that since the old gang left.
Knowledge? Yiannimize?
Oh... I was really happy to see the compulsory sound check. 😁
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Yes please, Acceleration Boost! Just bought the 2021 LR and would love to know how it does with the boost :)
Same here, it's blisteringly fast as it is but I'm still gonna boost mine!
It’s a nice, had it and prob will be super close
You can try it for Yourself, and get a refund if You're not happy...
The long range that he is driving is a performance version. Look at the badge. It might be a Stealth Performance a model 3.
Good point! I do see the line under the Dual Motor on his l/r. Interesting...
We just got the 2021 performance 3 and man oh man is it fun to drive. I feel so dominant on the road. I can pretty much overtake anything on the road. My girlfriend cut her work commute in half with even conservative measurements.
I think a lot of people think you're always flooring it from traffic lights, but in reality, with it being a single gear with so much torque, you get up to 30 or 40 comfortably without noticing how fast it happened until the person behind you is left behind. 😅
@@VoxelLoop it's effortless...it's basically the same sensation as the terminal velocity at six flags.
That’s a little bit exaggeration to cut the time in half lol... that is saying your gf drove twice as fast as before which is a crazy bump! Maybe it’s true... anyway my CLA45 AMG won’t be able to hang with Model 3 P until we all reach 70 mph.. this is when I thrive against the Model 3 performance. Timed my car speed against this
@@arelaththewhitewolf230 Yes thats true gas cars got gears and therefore better ratios for high speed acceleration.
@@arelaththewhitewolf230 it's not at all if you're driving a 2004 acura TL with damn near broken power steering and a really bad wheel alignment. Where are you driving 70 miles per hour on the daily though?🤔
Absolute love my SR+, rwd drive en lighter then the longrange. Fast enough and a joy to drive. Planning on buying some lightweight 18 inch wheels and a 25mm lowering.
This is everything you need to know about the M3P, straight from Travis:
I keep hearing people say “State of Charge affects acceleration in the Model 3 the most”. While State of Charge does affect acceleration. The temperature of the battery mid pack is the single most important factor for determining how fast the Model 3 Performance will accelerate. This video will show you why that is.
The absolute quickest acceleration in the Model 3 Performance is achieved when the battery pack temperature is between 125 to 137 degrees Fahrenheit, the State of Charge is 100%, and the motors are as cold as possible. That will give you a “Max Discharge Value” of 629 HP or 462 KW at the battery.
However, this video will look at the cases where those parameters are not at their optimal values.
If State of Charge drops to 87% but battery temperatures remain at 135 degrees Fahrenheit, the “Max Discharge Value” will still be 615 HP. That is only a 2% drop in performance even with less than 90% SOC. However, if we raise the SOC from 87% to 89% and drop the temperature in the battery down to 42 degrees Fahrenheit or 5.8 degrees C then the “Max Discharge Value” will drop all the way down to 365 KW or 496 HP. That would be a MASSIVE 20% decrease in performance from battery temperature alone.
In this case we have increased the SOC by 2% but lost 10 times the amount of performance because the battery is cold. I can’t stress this enough. Battery temperatures affect acceleration so much that the battery SOC becomes irrelevant if the battery is cold.
To illustrate the point even further I tested this with the SOC at 55% and the battery Temperature at 122 degrees F. The max discharge rate was 570 HP. That is almost 70 HP greater than the cold battery at 89%. Imagine keeping up with someone at 89% SOC when you only had 55% SOC.
At 76% SOC with the battery at 119.3 degrees F you still can achieve a 598 HP Max Discharge Value. That is only 5% off the absolute maximum acceleration potential with a ¼ of the battery gone. Even if we go down to 32% SOC of charge with a more normal 88.7 Degree F battery we can still have a 511 HP Max Discharge Value.
We can go as low as 16% SOC with a 118.4 Degree F battery and still have a 496 HP Max Discharge Value. That equals the 496 HP we saw in the earlier example with an 89% SOC and a 42 degree F battery. You can get a similar Max Discharge value from 16% SOC as you can with 89% SOC in this scenario.
This really is important to stress to everyone. However, I must also tell you that my testing has shown that the affects of heating the battery don’t come into play until after 40 mph. If you heat the battery hoping to see 20% or more improvement in 0-60 mph it won’t happen. Cold motors are actually more important for 0-60 mph in the Model 3 Performance.
Once you pass 40 mph and especially after you hit the peak HP at 55 mph you will see a significant increase in performance regardless of the State of Charge.
The lowest Max Discharge Value I have seen was 351 HP at 6% SOC when I drove 283 miles without charging in my 2 year old Model 3 Performance. I still had 18 miles left of range too. However, the car was EXTREMELY slow at that point.
However, there is one benefit to a low SOC. The max regen braking capabilities only occur at a lower SOC with a hot battery.
In sport mode you will only see about 116 HP of regen with a fully preconditioned battery. However, in Track Mode with a 118.4 degrees F battery and with 16% battery SOC I saw 241 HP of regen braking capabilities. That is extremely strong braking from regen alone.
It is important to also understand that the scenarios I have displayed here only apply to the Model 3 Performance. Battery temperature may not affect the Long Range car’s acceleration in exactly the same way.
Eventually I would like to test non Performance models and even the Model X and Model S to see how temperature affects those cars. I have seen several videos that indicate that the Model S Plaid is capable of achieving more than 1,100 HP at the battery if the conditions are optimal. However, that car in particular really needs cold motors and better tires for optimal performance.
Keep in mind, the performance model was not set at its fullest potential in the settings. it is set to standard or the lowest to keep the specs the same for the test. But once you turn up sports function rather than standard/comfort. you can see the big difference.
There is very little difference between standard and sport modes is performance model. It wouldn't make a difference
@@PerformanceY theres a huge difference in chill and sport mode in takeoff
your talking about steering weight....
At 29 seconds they show a white car with a dual motor badge with a red line. In the us that means it’s a performance model 3. Is it different in the uk? Or am I missing something here?
B roll used
My uncle has a Long Range just like the one in this video and I absolutely adore it. The car that made me see the light in EVs. Very surprising outcome.
7:22 you see the guy in Standard plus pushing himself 😂
😂😂
Nah he’s got an installed flesh light bellow the dash. He was smashing it. 😎
That shot of the white car with a red stripe under Dual Motor really confused me for a second.
I'm still confused. The distant shot of the LR does not have the stripe, then the close-up does. Two different cars and if the red stripe one isn't a performance then it's stealth, eh?
@@mparker59 I think the close-up shot is from another video, maybe they just forgot to record anything on the day. There isn't another drag race with a white performance Model 3 on the channel but they could have spare footage from somewhere else. Only the performance cars have the red stripe, the stealth don't get it.
Please do this same test but with acceleration boost for the long range.
The Long Range AWD is really just a software-locked performance model. There are third party modules out there that will take an older Long Range AWD and turn it into a Performance model. I'd assume the reason why the Performance model lost is because after many repeated runs at full performance, the battery was getting hot. Whereas the Long Range at locked-performance wasn't being fully utilized, so the battery was cooler.
That was only the case with the very first LR models. The current ones have a different rear drive unit.
The batteries are slightly different. But yea it probably got hot or the battery was low.
@@SwoopWoW Tesla claim they are double binned... most likely bullshit.
@@dz6472 no.
Nope, motors are the same, once you go past max amps from the battery they fall off the same, so speed is down to wheels being heavier on the P.
That is why each time they increased the speed, the difference between them all became smaller.
The standard range plus is fast enough for me, especially when flooring it at 35-40mph, still puts me back in my seat.
For sure. Worth every penny. Love this car.
it’s fast enough for sure, but who doesn’t like some extra performance and a premium audio…
@@hardywoodaway9912 And the performance usually delivers faster. Can get one in 2-3 months, long range is 6+ months.. At least rn in my area
SR+ is more than fast enough for me
Yes! I would love to see this same test with the boost option added to the LR Dual Motor! This was super interesting!
It's been done. The P with big wheels, and the boosted LR with 18" aeros are dead even from a roll, but the P is still quicker from 0-40.
Mat please do the upgrade for long range and do the drag race again please. Many thanks
Where do you get these fantasy HP numbers from?? Performance is 600HP or 520HP measured on the wheels using dyno. Long Range is 446HP (or 490HP with Performance DLC boost)
DLC haha. No, the boost isnt content, you cant call that DLC.
@@EmptyRoad It's a downloadable software configuration which you pick up in the in car DLC menu... Call it whatever you want
@@apekatt2007 DLC stand for downloadable Content. Content is meant as a consumable UX piece. Nobody would argue that a software unlock isnt a DLC. It just ticks the box, nothing else.
@@EmptyRoad Read what I just wrote - Go teach Tesla. I'm an IT developer as well, so you don't have to tell me what DLC stands for. A line of code is still a DLC if the owner decides it to be. Speed boost DLC in this case
@@apekatt2007 i dont need to teach Tesla -they arent naming it like this - but you. The term is used in the videogames domain for additional content. And even there you dont call it DLC when you for example mod a car. I dont know why we are even arguing over this. Apperently everything OTA is a DLC for you.
This is the only video on UA-cam to actually have all 3 versions of the model 3 racing to compare each other.
Always wanted to see the sr plus vs long range and no one has ever done it.
This video is even better because it has all 3.
Have to say I kinda regret getting the sr plus instead of the long range seeing the difference on speed visually.
Don’t get me wrong I love my Tesla and is fast, but seeing the difference now makes me want the long range
Hey guys in the shot of the long range of the badge it had a RED underline...this makes it a Stealth performance...can you confirm?
Also you should drag with track mode on nextime as that's what you pay for in a performance... TIA
It seems like they somehow mixed up the pictures and videos. At 0:37 you can see (pause and take a screenshot) that the Dual Motor is NOT underlined with anything.
And if it was the stealth, it would have ran an 11.8 as the P, no?
that's good and bad. makes sense to some extent but I have a stealth performance and feel it's not as "fast" accelerating as a full performance model. But totally makes sense why there is hardly any difference in the rolling races. But the thing they always don't mention is stated battery charge for all three vehicles
I think it’s the wrong badge on the back as I have a stealth performance model 3 and the only options for acceleration are chill and sport. Checking the registration for the one Matt is driving it shows up as long range model 3 (mine correctly shows as a performance model 3). To be honest I’m not hugely surprised that the long range is so fast as it is just a software limited performance, though have heard that the motors are no longer the same. If I was buying again I’d just go for the long range as would be more than fast enough and virtually never use full acceleration as can reach illegal speeds very quickly.
Acceleration was "Standard" not "Sport" thus not performance.
@@lespaulranger I was thinking the same thing
Long range is definitely best value trim here. Not too slow and has the best range of them all
Yup
Stock 0-6 time of 4.2 seconds? Yeah, I'd say it's not too slow lol.
On the breaking performance I think or you would see the difference between the performance model and the long range would be on the track situation where you're continually building up heat. Also there's a track mode I believe in the settings that allow you to hang the ass out a little bit more.
Also think there's some difference in the cooling system programming that it will go to maximum cooling when it's set in track mode to help keep the battery better managed
Yes I would love to see the upgrade diffrence on the LR!
Other channels have done it and the performance is still faster than the LR with the boost
7:22 😂😂😂 “come! On! Lets! Go!”
i looked in comment to see who seen it lol
performance weights more then the long range so it is why the long range has an easier time catching up towards the performance. It catches upon it very quickly when acceleration kicks in I suppose
Oh man, this is bad for Performance owners. Tesla has some explaining to do.
Tesla will "fix" it via a software update an detune the LR. Yaaay nerfing :) :D :O :(
@@rokelesoke basically apple when the updates come on for iPhone 😂
Likely the same rear motor in both but with different gearing and maybe a slight increase in amperage sent to the rear motor in the performance. The similar weights is an indication of that possibility
Tesla's doesn't care. They have your money.
@@christianorness2690 there's no gearing
So basically the Performance should be called the Pointless.
It’s the stealth perf. The video had it wrong
Yeah my brother has a performance and a friend has a normal long range. In real life the cars are wildly different. There's some serious hanky panky going on with this video.
@LazyTom10 it is not the stealth. The stealth is faster. This is the regular performance. The stealth has 18s not 19s and silver brakes not red. Also no rear spoiler
YES! Please do the comparison with the speed boost upgrade on the LR AWD model 3! Maybe it will compete with the performance!
Would there be a difference in the outcome if the Performance was in track mode? My guess is the larger brakes and heavier wheel package are severely hurting the higher speed performance.
You are exactly right about that. The moment of inertia of the larger brakes and wheels takes away from acceleration. It is also costly for range. On the long range model, the standard 18” (same as on Matt’s car here) gets 25 miles more range than the 19” upgrade. Yes it’s not the most elegant wheel especially since it has a hubcap but it’s cheaper, more economical and faster. That’s why I’ve always said it’s silly for people that buy sports cars to put ridiculously large rims on them. You’re just robbing performance. You’re also reducing the internal air volume which makes the ride harsher.
Do one between LR with acceleration boost (extra 1.5k upgrade) and performance.
Depends if the Performance was throwing dots on the charge meter. If the Performance had Dots appear due to battery heat / no cool down period then the software was limiting power - like a limp mode.
Can it be that the battery and drivetrain of the performance model is near or at the temperature limit (increased heat due to more performance) and therefore the performance has been limited?
But still, it’s highly disturbing and disappointing.
@carwow can you do a similar drag race with the Model S variants?
Highly doubt it's temps. Model 3 P stays cool as mess even under repeated quarter mile runs. I've tracked mine for 50 minutes of near full throttle usage in track mode and rarely get above yellow temp zones and I guarantee the temps where I live are way higher than where carWOW is filmed. I'm in Florida in USA.
The difference here is wheels. The stock uberturbine wheels on the 2021 M3P weigh over 62lbs EACH. At higher speed, they're a devil to turn faster. M3P uberturbine wheels outweigh the wheels on the model 3 LR by nearly 40%. Using 19" Martian Wheels, my M3P does the quarter-mile in 11.51 seconds. That would be 2-3 car lengths ahead of the Model 3 LR.
Put the same wheels on each car and you'll see the m3p steadily pull away from the long range in every scenario. i1 Tesla channel has already done that test.
These electrics have nutty instant torque but only ~450 horsepower. That heavy wheel weight at higher speeds really affects performance more than at lower speeds. Until about 50mph, it's a torque game. After that horsepower matters more and those super heavy wheels on the m3p are whats slowing it down.
There is another video knocking around of a guy doing 31 launches In a model 3 performance. all with similar performance without any deterioration.
@@Unkn0wnC0mmand Thanks for the clarification. So you mean the wheels matter this much more than the 90hp motor power difference?
@@AndrasHatvani 40% more unsprung weight makes a massive difference in acceleration above 50mph, especially on electric.
You won't find a single competitive model 3 drag racer using stock wheels.
Martian Wheels in 18" size weigh 21lbs. Stock UberTurbine are north of 62lbs. That much unsprung weight is a crazy big difference. In this video, the UberTurbines only weight around 40% more than the smaller aeros, but more than enough to explain why the LR is able to catch the performance on top end. A true test of the different versions is to have everything identical except the drivetrains. This video doesn't do that.
With identical wheels the performance will pull away from the LR at 70+ mph similarly to how the LR pulls on the performance in this video at the higher speeds. That coupled with the much faster performance acceleration from 0, means it isn't even close, as there isn't a speed where the LR would close the gap. Plus the performance has a higher top speed, though the distance to get there would be beyond the length of any conventional race.
Either way, I can guarantee you that the Model 3 performance in this video isn't suffering from heat issues. I've beat the hell out of mine on tracks in 85F+ weather and it hasn't even blinked.
@@Unkn0wnC0mmand I accept your arguments, but not the weight numbers: you compared the martian wheels' weight without tires to the Überturbines with tires. According to this thread teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/2021-uberturbine-wheel-weight.217884/ the Überturbine wheels with tires weigh 54,5 lbs and 32 lbs without. So they are "just" 50% heavier than the 18" Martians.
I hope @carwow will do these races with identical trims again.
Long Range with Acceleration Boost vs Performance please!
Performance is still faster
@@carscars512 not according to this vid
I can’t believe everybody keeps missing the fact that that long range is a stealth. Look at 00:27. There is clearly a redline under the dual motor badge. It should be about the same as the performance.
And I cant believe there like 100 different people that saw that editing error but didn't notice for the rest of the video it didn't have the red line , it was just a regular LR car, just a mixup in editing where they used old footage of a white performance car
Acceleration was "Standard" no "Sport" available. Thus this is the LR not performance.
7:22 standard plus guy banging his head trying really hard 😂
The quietest drag race ever
Yeah, agreed.
Quiet is the future.
Loud pipes save lives.
Please do another retake with the Long Range with the Performance Upgrade?!?!? 🙏🙏🙏
Oh, and for the best sound, it is a toss up between the TIE fighters and the wicked Falcon
I’m waiting for 2024 m3p vs 2023 m3p
This
Nice video guys, but I guess I have to return my M3 Performance in.
I wonder if the spoiler and less efficient wheels did the m3p in.
@@Scnottaken well I have the stock 20 on mine and 18 for all weather and 20 feels slightly slower. But at high speed to lose like that , and pay 6 to 7k more. It hurts.
@@SatnamSingh-zh1oo yeah, it shouldn't lose, something doesn't seem right about it (I don't know if it's the test it the Teslas). Still, you'll get a much better track performance with the performance model.
@@zbyszanna I played with a Lamborghini urus and I beat him on low speed 40 and up. But on high speed I was the same untill 70 ish. So something up with car.
The SR+ may be the slowest Tesla, but it is not slow at all. The model 3 SR+ would destroy most "average" cars in a race since it does 0-60 in 5.3 seconds, which is as quick as a mid range sports car.
performance mode didnt sound as good as i expected, i prefer the long range tbh
Do performance Upgrade on the long range!!
13.8s for the bottom of the range SR+ quarter mile is impressive. Aston Martin DB6 Vantage around 15 secs, Jaguar E-type 4.2 16 secs, AC Cobra 289 14.4 secs. They were the benchmarks in my youth.
What's confusing is that the "Long Range" has a Performance badges (Red underline) in one shot (0:27) but not another (0:25)
Sharp eye, I had to go back and look at it. You're right, perhaps the white LR was actually a stealth performace? (Performance without the tires or brakes)
Editing mistake. Footage of white performance from another video.
@@Josh-179 pretty big mistake if it is indeed a mistake.
This is what I like to see Mat!
I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED your content. Great engagement with your audience. I’m thinking of getting a Model 3 but not sure which one. I’m NOT going to get rid of my Challenger Scat Pack though. Nothing beats the sound and fun of my Scat Pack.
Terrific video! SUBSCRIBED!!
Do the boost please🙏🏻🙏🏻. Super video, been looking for boost vs non-boost for a long time
I have a Longe Range 2019 Model 3 with the acceleration boost upgrade . Definitely noticed a big difference in acceleration would be cool to see the difference to the performance M3...::. Feel free to use my car👍🏴
Great content, please do the video with the Performance Upgrade on the Long Range Tesla Model 3. Looking forward to :)
I'd love to see this same test with the "stealth" performance, the TM3 LR AWD P-