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  • This video shows the analysis and reverse engineering of an electronic assembly which was supposed to be inside a Ukrainian "Stugna-P" missile launcher.
    One board contains an Atmel ATMEGA168 micro-controller which is connected to a MEMS rate gyroscope and one MEMS accelerometer. The gyroscope is soldered on a small pcb which is mounted on a small mechanical assembly. The angle of the gyroscope can be adjusted using two screws.
    Another board permits the servo control of the position of something linked to a brushless motor.
    00:00 - Intro
    02:04 - Gyro and accelerometer processing board
    04:45 - Interface / DSP / CPU board
    03:36 - Brushless motor servocontrol
    05:39 - Reverse engineering: MEMS Gyro assembly
    06:04 - MEMS Accelerometer
    06:28 - Microcontroller Atmega168
    07:12 - Ribbon cable interface
    08:04 - Servo control board overview
    08:49 - MC33035 Brushless DC motor controller
    10:15 - DAC circuits
    11:27 - Summing amplifier and phase correction
    12:47 - Absolute value circuit
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  • @wolpumba4099
    @wolpumba4099 3 місяці тому +8

    *Analysis of Military Electronic Boards from Stugna-P Missile Launcher*
    This video dissects and analyzes the electronic components found within a suspected Ukrainian Stugna-P missile launcher. The analysis focuses on three main boards and their functionalities:
    *Gyro and Accelerometer Processing Board*
    * *02:04* - The board houses a MEMS gyroscope (ADXRS453) and a MEMS accelerometer (ADXL1001) for measuring angular velocity and acceleration.
    * *02:26* - An Atmel ATmega168 microcontroller processes data from the gyroscope and accelerometer.
    * *02:49* - The accelerometer's analog output is connected to the microcontroller's ADC input for conversion to digital data.
    * *03:01* - A ribbon cable with a comparator circuit transmits information between this board and another.
    *Servo Control Board*
    * *03:36* - This board manages the servo control of a brushless motor, possibly for positioning optical components.
    * *04:12* - A DAC (Digital-to-Analog Converter) on this board provides voltage input for the servo control loop.
    * *08:49* - The MC33035 brushless DC motor controller governs the motor's operation based on input from the DAC and feedback from a potentiometer.
    * *10:15* - DAC circuits translate digital position commands into analog voltage signals.
    * *11:27* - A summing amplifier combines the feedback voltage and DAC output to generate an error voltage for controlling the motor's speed and direction.
    *Interface/DSP/CPU Board*
    * *04:45* - This board acts as an interface between other components, containing MOSFETs, optocouplers, and connectors.
    * *05:08* - A Texas Instruments TMS320F DSP (Digital Signal Processor) was present on the board, suggesting advanced signal processing capabilities.
    * *05:23* - Another unidentified IC was missing from the board, leaving its exact function unknown.
    i used gemini 1.5 pro
    Token count
    5,428 / 1,048,576

  • @RandomByte89
    @RandomByte89 3 місяці тому +11

    Thanks Michel. Keep the military tech videos coming. I love them.

  • @TheEmbeddedHobbyist
    @TheEmbeddedHobbyist 3 місяці тому +1

    Good to see that the wires pass through the pcb before being soldered. A very simple way to provide the wiring with protection against vibration.

  • @twicecookedpork6220
    @twicecookedpork6220 3 місяці тому +12

    The "FP" logo on the PCB is that of Fastprint, a large Chinese PCB fab.

    • @ArtyomGalstyan
      @ArtyomGalstyan 3 місяці тому +8

      oh shit. this is bad actually. all military equipment must be produced at home country.

    • @zedsdeadbaby
      @zedsdeadbaby 3 місяці тому +3

      @@ArtyomGalstyan Stugna-p is Ukrainian and pre-dates the war, it is not surprising to see Chinese components in it.

    • @ArtyomGalstyan
      @ArtyomGalstyan 3 місяці тому +4

      @@zedsdeadbaby Its not so much concern about components, but more of the PCB layout. If the components were also pnp in China, this is a huge issue. They could steal the design. I hope they only printed the PCB.

    • @kamu38
      @kamu38 3 місяці тому +4

      @@ArtyomGalstyan there is nothing juicy at all from what I can see here? Targeting boards are probably developed somewhere else.

    • @user-sr6pi5lp3q
      @user-sr6pi5lp3q 3 місяці тому

      ​@@ArtyomGalstyanif a russkie says..

  • @paulpaulzadeh6172
    @paulpaulzadeh6172 3 місяці тому +3

    We use this in our products Acoem laser alignment ICM-42688-P from TDK. With KALMAN filter you can get very good results. We do signal process in Software ARM CPU

  • @Woffy.
    @Woffy. 3 місяці тому +6

    Despite this being well out of my wheelhouse I find your reverse engineering and analysis to be very interesting, although other than driving away the irritating TV licensing inspectors I can;t think of a use for a $20.000 Stugna-P missile system, even with the HE-FRAG option.
    However I and others are interested in how you manage to acquire all these military toys'. Any comment on Dassault-Breguet Super Étendard Exocet Air / Ship / Land (1982 hack) ! .... ? Nice Schematics.

  • @davidparrot4669
    @davidparrot4669 3 місяці тому

    merci Michel , toujours super intéressant , bravo pour la retro , encore un grand merci pour le partage c'est a chaque fois un réel plaisir.

  • @user-wr9le9tx8i
    @user-wr9le9tx8i 3 місяці тому

    Incredible analysis of Stugna-P electronics, Thanks for the video. We ask for more electronics from various rockets and aircraft)

  • @skaos0110
    @skaos0110 3 місяці тому

    très intéressant a voir, merci!!

  • @needleneck3770
    @needleneck3770 3 місяці тому

    this is very cool, i work for a company that uses gyros for downhole drilling navigation, cool to see other implementations of mems gyros

  • @xb1t2mm3ujf2
    @xb1t2mm3ujf2 3 місяці тому

    Thanks, very interesting...

  • @msylvain59
    @msylvain59 3 місяці тому +4

    The screws are soviet era style slotted head design, while all the components and the pcbs are imported, interesting

    • @burningsinner1132
      @burningsinner1132 3 місяці тому +3

      Because Stugna-P missiles are not new missiles. These are reassembled missiles of soviet "Castet" (Brass knuckle) ATGM complex installed on T-55/T-62 tanks, with "Sheksna" (Named after a river) and "Bastion" missiles respectively.
      Stugna-P uses essentially the same missiles with old, expired components rebuilt and with a new warhead, which shows a bigger bulge because of how HEAT works (That's why her caliber is 130mm and not 100/115). There are no wonders, there is no magic in the world and heroics only get you that far.

  • @user-bq3rm9fs2i
    @user-bq3rm9fs2i 3 місяці тому +4

    Головне що працює, і працює дуже гарно. А обЗирать обозрімоє кожен так може.

    • @uaz-3163
      @uaz-3163 3 місяці тому +2

      под высокотехнологичными блоками с ПЛИС цинк и ксайлинсками и GLONASS из РФ собранными на западных чипах "Русские ничего не могут,смешная электроника, все развалилось"
      Под видео с платами местного производства на ATMEGA168 "Зато работает". Убогие людишки ,вы что не смогли стиралки разобрать посовременнее :)?

    • @user-sr6pi5lp3q
      @user-sr6pi5lp3q 14 днів тому

      ​@@uaz-3163видишь ли, 1) украина не сралась с западом, 2) украина не пыталась играть в совковое "всёсвоё".

  • @MirceaPrunaru
    @MirceaPrunaru 3 місяці тому +8

    You can extract data/code from that Atmel microcontroller =)) we can learn stuff from it.

    • @AlphaAquilae
      @AlphaAquilae 3 місяці тому +4

      I'm 99.9975% sure that the Lock-bits are set and you can't read its memory.

    • @jlskee
      @jlskee 3 місяці тому +6

      ​@@AlphaAquilaeooooh, not sure, lock bits are set 😂😂

    • @kamu38
      @kamu38 3 місяці тому

      @@AlphaAquilae this can be circumvented.... check out glitching

    • @AccidentalScience
      @AccidentalScience 3 місяці тому

      Is it possible to workaround the lock bits?

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 14 днів тому

      @@AccidentalScience of course and it is very easy on such old crappy AVRs.

  • @tripleaaa7086
    @tripleaaa7086 3 місяці тому +4

    This part belong to the rocket it self ,not the launcher due to gyro ic's it contain

  • @tomteiter7192
    @tomteiter7192 3 місяці тому

    Interesting. I think I've never seen such a single gate logic component like the NOR gate actually used. But maybe I simply didn't look up every SOT23-5 part I came across...

  • @tHaH4x0r
    @tHaH4x0r 3 місяці тому +1

    If they are surprised that if they are going for reliability, that they would connect the accelerometer via an analog signal (2:50). You'd think that a digital bus would be more reliable with EMI.
    Might be interesting to see if you can pull the firmware of the atmel chip! Shouldn't be hard to try.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 14 днів тому

      easy to extract the firmware, but what would be the point, there is surely nothing interresting inside.

  • @videostodososdiasnobartolo6883
    @videostodososdiasnobartolo6883 3 місяці тому

    Cara, o que me deixa perplexo é que depois do desmoronamento soviético a indústria mundial passou a se terceirizar para a China, e muitas empresas fecharam ou terceirizaram sua linha de produção, o que fez dessas empresas reféns do sistema

  • @salehsalehi8955
    @salehsalehi8955 3 місяці тому +1

    Great Video ! What schematic capture software do you use in this video ?

  • @tariqsingh3747
    @tariqsingh3747 3 місяці тому

    even if you can't pull the firmware, any chance of just probing the UART?

  • @ligius3
    @ligius3 3 місяці тому

    I like the teardown but I'm missing the context. Perhaps a block diagram analysis would help us mere mortals.

  • @Janktzoni
    @Janktzoni 3 місяці тому +1

    Well.... The least to say is that it was inspired by Arduino designs, You could download half of the schematics strait from their forums

    • @tonyalexeev14
      @tonyalexeev14 3 місяці тому +2

      Чипы atmel довольно распространены на территории украины ,беларуси и росии много разработчиков сними работает так пошло с 2000 годов

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 14 днів тому

      no, you get it the wrong way, Atmega were common parts for engineers who are nowdays in their 50/60, to make Arduino the italians used what was cheap and they knew, crappy Atmel AVRs. The parts you find on this board are not "inspired by arduino", nor hobby grade, these are higher grade accelero and gyro. You also wont find an automotive grade Atmel AVR in Arduino boards...

  • @tlsoft
    @tlsoft 3 місяці тому

    How do you read the writing on the chips, if they're removed?

    • @lelabodemichel5162
      @lelabodemichel5162  3 місяці тому

      Concerning the ATmega168 you can program or read the content of program memory using the SPI bus via the 6-pins connector K2, if the lockbit is not set...

  • @user-xy3xg7tw8h
    @user-xy3xg7tw8h 3 місяці тому +3

    The first Stugna was practically a copy of the Soviet ATGM 9K116 "Brass Knuckles".

  • @paulpaulzadeh6172
    @paulpaulzadeh6172 3 місяці тому

    Fast Print (FP) mark on pcb , Chinese pcb manufacturing, we have them in our company, not so qualified for military purposes.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 14 днів тому

      You are wrong, Shenzhen fastprints actually serves defense, aerospace and medical.

  • @user-sr6pi5lp3q
    @user-sr6pi5lp3q 3 місяці тому

    Will be there a open source port to arduino?

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 14 днів тому

      nonsense, this is based on expensive gyro, accelero and automotive Atmega, none of these is used on hobby grade modules, and there would be no point anyway because this is an old design, nowdays we have way more powerful and fast accelero, gyro and IMUs as well as very fast and powerfull ARM MCUs which can run a lot of DSP, there would be absolutely zero point to copy this old design.

    • @user-sr6pi5lp3q
      @user-sr6pi5lp3q 14 днів тому

      ​@@lo2740in no case have I meant 1:1 copy... Of course it should be moved to more modern parts.if available

  • @robertthallium6883
    @robertthallium6883 3 місяці тому

    Stuhna* missile. The Stugna would be spelled 'стуґна'

  • @uaz-3163
    @uaz-3163 3 місяці тому +1

    Исключительно украинские чипы, никакого импорта.А нет стоп.Это же чипы от ардуино! Лолки.Уровень поделки домашний кружок рукоблудия.

  • @offline9218
    @offline9218 3 місяці тому +6

    Don't reveal our secrets!!!

  • @Priestonwheel
    @Priestonwheel 3 місяці тому

    That technology is at least 30 years behind where the real thing is now and 40 years behind the development military technology is today at R&D

  • @erwe1054
    @erwe1054 3 місяці тому +2

    Слава Украине !!!

  • @cecilia_mackie
    @cecilia_mackie 3 місяці тому

    Wow! Let's be friends?

  • @user-xy3xg7tw8h
    @user-xy3xg7tw8h 3 місяці тому +4

    This is a copy of the Russian ATGM

    • @user-sr6pi5lp3q
      @user-sr6pi5lp3q 3 місяці тому +4

      No, this is an evolution of a SOVIET ATGM. Stop calling soviet russian.

    • @sheikbombalot5781
      @sheikbombalot5781 3 місяці тому +1

      @User, lol Russian-Soviet… Same thing!

    • @user-sr6pi5lp3q
      @user-sr6pi5lp3q 3 місяці тому

      @@sheikbombalot5781 no, murican, soviet union included Ukraine and other countries.