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  • This video shows the teardown of the guidance section of a Javelin missile FGM-148.
    Nota 2023/12/24: this video is intended to show the technology now obsolete used in the 80s-90s on military devices. Similar technology can be found in avionics for instance. On that guidance section there is nothing sensitive, it is just a complex CPU board with golden parts.
    00:00 - Intro
    04:09 - Teardown
    06:28 - Electronic assembly
    10:18 - Sensor
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  • @thecriss88
    @thecriss88 5 місяців тому +757

    I am not sure what makes me more surprised: the amount of hig-spec electronic components in that thing, or the fact that this guy got into possession of a missile guidance computer.

    • @wyrdscynce
      @wyrdscynce 5 місяців тому +237

      ukraine is a weapons mart right now

    • @casel4154
      @casel4154 5 місяців тому +144

      @@wyrdscynce russian propaganda

    • @nawnaw4709
      @nawnaw4709 5 місяців тому +87

      Everyone and there mother will have a javelin now. Thanks Ukraine

    • @casel4154
      @casel4154 5 місяців тому

      @@nawnaw4709 putin huilo

    • @jackmclane1826
      @jackmclane1826 5 місяців тому

      You can get everything for money in Ukraine right now.
      And no, that is not Russia propaganda. Just the reality of war and what happens when a murderous thug attacks his neighbors.

  • @meindertsprang7491
    @meindertsprang7491 5 місяців тому +1950

    As an electronics/embedded designer it hurts somewhat to see this beautiful tough MIL-SPEC technology, only manufactured to the highest of standards.... to be running for just a few minutes...

    • @JohnVance
      @JohnVance 5 місяців тому +120

      I was thinking that, too. Only has to work once!

    • @-_a-a_-
      @-_a-a_- 5 місяців тому

      It's not beautiful. It's evil. It's designed to murder people. Imagine learning programming and electronics just to have your hands covered in blood.

    • @anotherguy9402
      @anotherguy9402 5 місяців тому

      Why do you think our taxes are so high? Kind of remind you of a tea party.... Almost like the USA had become the very things it was founded against being. Because humans are dumb animals and tune into media or social opinions which and tuned by media.

    • @mfx1
      @mfx1 5 місяців тому +439

      @@andreyukhov9403 Or it kills innocent people.

    • @NozomuYume
      @NozomuYume 5 місяців тому +160

      Even if you were the most evil person in existence, and determined to commit war crimes, you wouldn't waste a Jav against noncombatants. It's just too valuable a resource to waste like that.

  • @stephenl7048
    @stephenl7048 5 місяців тому +1049

    40 years ago I took delivery of a box at my place of business in Belfast. I was expecting a resin sample from a chemical company and the box arrived by conventional courier. Instead it contained multiple carefully packaged cylindrical electronic devices. The address label for my firm had been stuck over the original destination "Short Brothers", a local defence contractor. The contained covering letter revealed the sender to be Graseby Dynamics, an English defence contractor, and the contents were described as the revised design of the Javelin missile warhead firing mechanism. I contacted Shorts and the police. and within 30 minutes my premises were crawling with plain clothes state security. The items were taken away and I was interviewed at some length. Somehow the press got hold of the story and it made the front page of the local paper. My business partner was by coincidence a friend of a department head in Shorts. He later revealed that a government junior minister had lost his job over this, and there had been several individuals severely disciplined both at Shorts and Graseby. I never did get my resin sample.

    • @HermanWillems
      @HermanWillems 5 місяців тому +89

      Ever checked if one of those contractors had the resin sample? :)

    • @user-tz8nm3nr9f
      @user-tz8nm3nr9f 5 місяців тому +210

      You could make a better deal, if you called Russian embassy instead.

    • @udirt
      @udirt 5 місяців тому +43

      the last sentence really bites :-)

    • @nigeljames6017
      @nigeljames6017 5 місяців тому +8

      Working in Northern Ireland during that period must have been quite a mind blowing (no sick pun intended) experience. I was working on the mainland and it was bad enough there if you were a defense government employee.

    • @wingcommanderbob8268
      @wingcommanderbob8268 5 місяців тому +25

      The Javelin you saw parts for was actually an entirely different missile, a MANPADS developed in the 80's based on (and as a replacement for) the notoriously shit Blowpipe

  • @grahamnichols1416
    @grahamnichols1416 5 місяців тому +398

    "These are very rare. If you find one, you have to pay the price." But you pay an even greater price if one finds you.

    • @fridaycaliforniaa236
      @fridaycaliforniaa236 5 місяців тому +4

      Damn, I was about to say that XD

    • @michaelwan4268
      @michaelwan4268 5 місяців тому

      pay him even greater price and ask him to withdraw this so that you can say it again :) @@fridaycaliforniaa236

    • @icecube3645
      @icecube3645 5 місяців тому +1

      Lol👍

    • @alb9229
      @alb9229 5 місяців тому +2

      Looks like it prefers to find the earth 🤣

    • @sallehsallehnewton3258
      @sallehsallehnewton3258 5 місяців тому +2

      Javelin is so powerful weapon so the Ukrainian has to use Chinese drone to deliver it's warhead

  • @ThePhiliposophy
    @ThePhiliposophy 5 місяців тому +479

    This guy is a genius. Not only is he a great engineer, he is also the inventor of the French accent!

    • @marinoceccotti9155
      @marinoceccotti9155 5 місяців тому +78

      He speaks English because you know this language.
      You speak it because it's the only one you know.

    • @bmbiz
      @bmbiz 5 місяців тому +53

      @@marinoceccotti9155 Seems like you took that (bad) joke a bit too personally.

    • @DD08DK
      @DD08DK 5 місяців тому +7

      He will likely just laugh in your general direction, while tapping his head and calling you silly.

    • @CuriousMarc
      @CuriousMarc 5 місяців тому +27

      Be kind to my friend Michel. He is making a great effort to do these videos in English, which is obviously not his native language, so he can share the amazing technology inside all his unusual items with the rest of us. You should give him a pat on the back.

    • @nullmeasure6155
      @nullmeasure6155 5 місяців тому +7

      In typical fashion I laughed at the bad joke and I also agree with everyone saying Michel is awesome! Maybe this reveals me as a crass American but I don't see the harm in that kind of ribbing. I laugh whenever I'm reminded my accent sounds funny to Europeans, never thought it should be a sore point for people that we all sound odd from far enough away. I love this kind of content, I'm a huge fan of novel and interesting computers!

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog 5 місяців тому +82

    Wow, great teardown, thanks for sharing.

    • @willynebula6193
      @willynebula6193 5 місяців тому +1

      Hey dave. We'd have no chance ever scoring anything close to something like this in oz, ay? Did you ever get mil spec boards in a mailbag? I vaguely remember something or am i thinking of some high end telecom boards from a mailbag vid.

    • @anandasri1330
      @anandasri1330 5 місяців тому +2

      @EEVblog hi dave like to see ur version of this 😁😁

    • @yaghiyahbrenner8902
      @yaghiyahbrenner8902 5 місяців тому +5

      @@anandasri1330 this would never make it through Australian customs.never.

    • @BS-my2ky
      @BS-my2ky 5 місяців тому

      @@yaghiyahbrenner8902 ship in pieces

    • @maximus6884
      @maximus6884 2 місяці тому +1

      I hope he gives it to you for free for 2nd tear down. You can get it working and send it to the sky

  • @mikeselectricstuff
    @mikeselectricstuff 5 місяців тому +195

    wow! Crazy expensive stuff. Definitely open the sensor - I assume it's a gyro/accelerometer of some sort

    • @cgourin
      @cgourin 5 місяців тому +9

      Maybe also hold a pressure and temperature probes, since the missile is expected to be used in al sorts of weather and the propellant, the detonators and the double shaped charges might need to be tweaked for very precise timing trigger.

    • @opros7
      @opros7 5 місяців тому +1

      Makes sense. These three opamps with 6A output could also be driving it.

    • @sonjakavalut
      @sonjakavalut 5 місяців тому +2

      If Mike says waw...🤗
      Looking forward for next part.
      Thank you.

    • @falrus
      @falrus 5 місяців тому +14

      Maybe it would be reasonable to try to CT scan the sensor in a vet clinic before destroying it

    • @deang5622
      @deang5622 5 місяців тому +10

      It's probably an orientation sensor so the missile knows which way it is pointing when it can't see the target.
      The missile trajectory is that it climbs up at a steep angle (in one of the modes of operation) and then pitches down and attacks the tank from above where the armour is thinner, and using infrared targeting.
      I suspect when the missile is in the climbing phase of its flight, the infrared seeker is not pointing at the target. So in this phase of flight, the infrared seeker head cannot see the target and cannot be used for control and guidance of the missile.
      The missile needs to know the pitch angle it is currently at so it can then be steered back down towards the target and the infrared seeker will be used to guide the missile in the terminal phase of flight.
      Just a theory

  • @RaquelFoster
    @RaquelFoster 5 місяців тому +271

    I used to work for an avionics contractor. It’s interesting how similar this is to modern hardware … yet also very different. Everything has FPGAs with 16-layer conformal-coated boards. It all has a 1553/1760 bus with expensive parts and a lot of redundancy (compared to consumer stuff). But look at all those ribbon cables and interfaces! In 2007 we were already working on 16Gb fibre interfaces because the F-35 needed the bandwidth. But many years before that we were making missiles with a lot more resistance to EMI than this appears to have. But it’s a funny mix of new and old. I used to have to look up specs in manuals from 1973.

    • @TheAlexBell
      @TheAlexBell 5 місяців тому +13

      I was surprised by these ribbon cables too. Aren't they vulnerable to acceleration overload?

    • @mxcollin95
      @mxcollin95 5 місяців тому +2

      That’s really interesting. 👍 Thanks for sharing.

    • @mxcollin95
      @mxcollin95 5 місяців тому +3

      I’ve heard one of the limiting factors now for the F35 is that it’s maxed out in its ability to get rid of all the excess heat created by the avionics/computers. I would bet there’s only so much bleed air from the single jet engine that they’re willing to sacrifice to be used to power & cools all the electronics.

    • @entcraft44
      @entcraft44 5 місяців тому +12

      @@TheAlexBell Remember it only has to fly once. On the pictures it looks like the flat cables are covered with tape on the outside of the missile, so there is no drag on them. And the unsupported parts inside the body are probably light enough, with large soldered contact area. The cables also are a lot sturdier than the flimsy things you find in modern laptops and smartphones.

    • @vadimemelin2941
      @vadimemelin2941 5 місяців тому +4

      But why would you use FPGA in mass production? I thought that you only do FPGAs for rapid prototyping and after you are sure about the hardware you've emulated, you can just mass produce it instead

  • @ulbed
    @ulbed 5 місяців тому +370

    The "sensor" is a javelin rate gyro probably made by marconi. It contains flourocarbon fluid and gemstone bearings.
    The pink coating at 6:13 is beryllium oxide and is toxic like asbestos.

    • @user-ci6fj6kb9d
      @user-ci6fj6kb9d 5 місяців тому +9

      ПРО токсичность Асбеста ничего нам неведомо , до сих пор все крыши жилых домов в России сделаны из шифера , где асбест главный компонент , у нас есть даже Город Асбест .

    • @SWUnreal
      @SWUnreal 5 місяців тому

      @@user-ci6fj6kb9d wtf are you saying it's been proven since ages that asbestos is cancer (pun intended)

    • @ulbed
      @ulbed 5 місяців тому +1

      私があなたのコメントを読むと思ったら大間違いでした。@@user-ci6fj6kb9d

    • @germanomassullo9608
      @germanomassullo9608 5 місяців тому +9

      how do you know it is made of beryllium?

    • @user-ux2wi9ze3n
      @user-ux2wi9ze3n 5 місяців тому +23

      @@user-ci6fj6kb9d There are two types of asbestos, chrysotilly and amphibol, the first is less toxic, and is now used. If it is processed in the speaker, then everything will be fine.

  • @northamericanpichu
    @northamericanpichu 5 місяців тому +147

    This really proves that the missile knows where it is.

    • @petterskjolden6884
      @petterskjolden6884 5 місяців тому +35

      and where it isn't

    • @firetecstudios1146
      @firetecstudios1146 5 місяців тому +1

      @@user-ur3zk3no8s The javelin is self-guiding.

    • @BigSmartArmed
      @BigSmartArmed 5 місяців тому +1

      That missile was recovered after it was fired and it missed.

    • @bmbiz
      @bmbiz 5 місяців тому +2

      @@BigSmartArmed No. It would be in small pieces if that happened.

    • @bobroberts8500
      @bobroberts8500 4 місяці тому +1

      I don't think we're in Keiv, anymore, Toto.

  • @douro20
    @douro20 5 місяців тому +386

    It's a 1980s design. Everything used was the absolute state of the art at the time, and from what I read there were a lot of problems with it. Even the most modern version has unresolved issues. The biggest part on the board with the DSP is most likely a TMS34010, a general-purpose 32-bit CPU with special graphics instructions which was just going into production back when this was being developed. The IDT parts on a few of the other boards are most certainly dual-port RAMs and the VLSI chips will be custom glue logic.

    • @justinhealey-htcohio3798
      @justinhealey-htcohio3798 5 місяців тому +39

      Hey, overall as I've watched the Ukraine War I have been researching and learning obsessively about every weapon system in existence....
      The thing I don't understand is with the advancement of technology, microcontrollers & especially computer vision object tracking available to the market nowadays, wouldn't it be possible to MASS PRODUCE something similar to a javelin for less than $2,000? **(A daytime version at least)?
      I understand a high-end Mid Wave Thermal IR Image Seeker operating at 60-120FPS would be ITAR restricted & add $10k to the overall cost but, still should not cost more than $15k total today...
      It seems like most of the cost associated with these guided systems is the software and algorithms....

    • @Jerry_from_analytics
      @Jerry_from_analytics 5 місяців тому +53

      @@justinhealey-htcohio3798 electronics and cameras did get cheaper over years and you could possibly improvise something with consumer grade parts. However, rest of the missile - gyros, shaped charge, soft launch solid rocket motor, some machined parts, some servos for those fins still do not fit into anything under $2000. And don't forget the control unit ("CLU") which has some good optics to enable targeting from up to 2.5 miles.

    • @christopherdonald9001
      @christopherdonald9001 5 місяців тому +31

      Not an expert, but my guess is that at least part of the high cost is related to hardening the electronics and software. Both against environmental conditions and electronic warfare.

    • @justinhealey-htcohio3798
      @justinhealey-htcohio3798 5 місяців тому +29

      @@Jerry_from_analytics Yeah, I've built many different drones (Large and small)... I would have to think that modern consumer grade MCU & MEMS inertial/gyro stabilization IC's Could replace most of the components on the Javelin today.
      I was really surprised that he said it's a 64x64 image sensor ADC which really isn't that high of resolution by today's standards.
      It really is extraordinary what they were able to accomplish back in the 1980s...

    • @lawrencemanning
      @lawrencemanning 5 місяців тому +15

      Date of manufacture on at least the big quads is 1997, so I’d guess it’s an early 90s design at the latest?

  • @IainMcClatchie
    @IainMcClatchie 5 місяців тому +52

    * The pink stuff gluing the metal plate to the carbon fiber body tube is heat transfer paste.
    * Those large VLSI parts are gate array parts rather than FPGAs. Gate arrays are midway between full-custom parts and FPGAs. VLSI used to make gate array chips where the silicon and maybe 1 or two metal layers were standardized, but the top couple of layers of metal were customized. So for the price of taping out (and making masks for) two metal layers, you could get a part with 100x the gate count of an FPGA, without having to pay the full cost (and manufacturing delay) of a full-custom 3-5 metal layer part.
    * Hardly any heat sinks! Most of this stuff didn't run long enough to get hot. Must of been a PITA to debug, since it probably got pretty hot during a debug session.

    • @zazio5535
      @zazio5535 4 місяці тому +1

      Submerge in mineral oil and do the debugging🤣

    • @derekedmondson9909
      @derekedmondson9909 4 місяці тому

      The ‘GA’ in FPGA literally Stan’s for ‘Gate Array’. For cost reasons, it was probably cheaper to reproduce the GA in large numbers with the final configuration once the configuration cleared development and testing.

    • @IainMcClatchie
      @IainMcClatchie 4 місяці тому +3

      @@derekedmondson9909 Field Programmable Gate Arrays and Gate Arrays are different technologies. The names are misleading, but what can you do.
      Gate Arrays are quite a bit less expensive that FPGAs, and use a LOT less power, and are much higher performance. On the flip side, I can reprogram an FPGA in a minute, but a new gate array is... months and at least several hundred thousand dollars.

    • @AlexKarasev
      @AlexKarasev 3 місяці тому

      @@derekedmondson9909 >"reproduce the GA in large numbers with the final configuration once the configuration cleared development and testing"
      There's a consideration of security as well - it being safer and actually cheaper to program the FPGAs yourself than to manage a secured trust relationship with a 3rd party for that function. Malicious code and hardware injection is a huge and growing problem in the field

  • @CheapSushi
    @CheapSushi 5 місяців тому +144

    Random but aesthetically I really love the big multi-chip era of computer hardware. Just looks so interesting.

    • @Coecoo
      @Coecoo 5 місяців тому +7

      That's because they were designed by humans and not computers back then.

    • @cpte3729
      @cpte3729 5 місяців тому +22

      ​​@@Coecoo
      No, still humans. The chips just got smaller. What, you thought boards with tons of chips were designed that way because they looked better and "soulless machines" with no sense of aesthetics took it from us? Obviously what happened was chips got smaller, more powerful, more efficient to the point multiple could be stacked on the same die, that we needed less of them

    • @4nto418
      @4nto418 5 місяців тому +2

      @@Coecoo More like because the combined power of the entire thing doesn't even hold a candle to a dusty raspberry pi, and less chips = less failure points and less interconnects to manage.

    • @smoothbraindetainer
      @smoothbraindetainer 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@cpte3729not entirely humans. Most of the fitting and layout is computer generated because they're much better at optimizing for timing.
      And they're rarely "stacked", just placed side by side on the same chip interconnected.

    • @Coecoo
      @Coecoo 5 місяців тому +2

      @@cpte3729 Nope, completely false. Please do your research before talking nonsense.
      A solid 90% or more chip designs these days are entirely computer generated. Pretty much the only input human has in their creation are entering parameters for the computers to follow, like designating areas for where cable ports need to be.
      A large part of the unfeasibility of having human-designed things is large parts thanks to the mainstreaming of multilayered PCBs. Trying to teach humans to efficiently plan out tens of thousands of pathways in a layered 3D structure instead of having a computer do it is wishful thinking at best.

  • @bloodynoobtubename
    @bloodynoobtubename 5 місяців тому +10

    I was qualified in these back in my military days. After discharging I started a career in software engineering. I always wanted to understand the key components in the guidance system. Thank you for this.

  • @nielsandersen6164
    @nielsandersen6164 5 місяців тому +20

    A rare glimpse into a marvel of engineering that few people can ever truly appreciate. Please, do more of these!

    • @simongreen9862
      @simongreen9862 4 місяці тому

      And anyone who DOES get to fully appreciate it, doesn't get to do so for very long.

    • @none_of_your_business
      @none_of_your_business 4 місяці тому +1

      @@simongreen9862 plus this is not just all made by 1 person. Typically your average embedded software or hardware guy only has a narrow view into a couple of components that make up such a system. And the system engineer will probably have an overall understanding on how it all fits together but he wouldn't be able to reproduce the product by themselves. It's very much need-to-know basis.

  • @chrisdickens4862
    @chrisdickens4862 5 місяців тому +11

    Very impressive. I love the aesthetic of purple ceramic and gold top ICs.

    • @hakimmohamad6216
      @hakimmohamad6216 5 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, that's for sure a lot of Gold on these circuit boards.

  • @msylvain59
    @msylvain59 5 місяців тому +162

    Wow congratulations for this find, currently I have nothing better than Sidewinder rollerons on my watch list ! All the golden parts are space grade quality, all that for a single use device, how wastefull war is.

    • @h7qvi
      @h7qvi 5 місяців тому +18

      Hey war is all about the gold plated military grade toilet seat 🚽 on the taxpayer's dime 😅

    • @DelyanT
      @DelyanT 5 місяців тому +32

      The cost of the targets this missile is launched to is a lot higher than the actual missile.

    • @byterock
      @byterock 5 місяців тому +18

      @@h7qvi All COTS stuff at first glance so really not that exotic. The actual cost to the military includes long term storage/packaging/training and disposal so that bumps the price way up. These thingy have to last for many decades in some drafty storage bunker and they have to survive the g-forces involved in launch all that adds up.

    • @doublehappiness9889
      @doublehappiness9889 5 місяців тому +10

      @@DelyanT So it's even more wasteful, in that case. Or perhaps that's what you meant.

    • @PsRohrbaugh
      @PsRohrbaugh 5 місяців тому +4

      Yeah, think about how much we wasted stopping the holocaust! Jeez. Sometimes war has it's place.

  • @ThermalWorld_
    @ThermalWorld_ 5 місяців тому +70

    As always awesome teardown and explanation Michel.
    Is there a possibility to shot some good resolution photos of the entire board.

  • @Darieee
    @Darieee 4 місяці тому

    wow ! thanks for taking the time to show us this - really fascinating

  • @jsmorin111
    @jsmorin111 5 місяців тому +7

    Best Amazon product unboxing ever.

  • @genenomidic1393
    @genenomidic1393 5 місяців тому +15

    Fascinating, I used to service the launchers (FCE) and training computers (analogue - op amps performing calculus) in the 80s, and it’s predecessor (blowpipe) but never got to see ordinance though 👍

    • @supersarge24
      @supersarge24 5 місяців тому +5

      This is the american anti-tank guided missile FGM-148 Javelin, not the British anti-air missile that you serviced. Still, thanks for sharing your story!

  • @niaz.shovon
    @niaz.shovon 5 місяців тому +13

    Beautiful circuits. Never thought a missile would carry this level of sophisticated electronics.

  • @K-Riz314
    @K-Riz314 5 місяців тому +3

    I've been watching your channel for a few years and it looks like this video really took off for you. Glad to see it and hope it brings you the subs and views you deserve.

  • @CuriousMarc
    @CuriousMarc 5 місяців тому +5

    Nice find Michel. When only the best will do. Impressive electronics board and mini IMU!

    • @sooocheesy
      @sooocheesy 5 місяців тому

      I work on semiconductor manufacturing equipment and appreciate the technology required to make modern ICs.. but lets be honest, nothing is quite as cool as an Apollo guidance computer!

  • @NEMESIS2030
    @NEMESIS2030 5 місяців тому +23

    I used to work for a precious metal recovery company and can tell you, those gold plated chips and edge connectors make these boards [as with most old military electronics] worth a fortune!
    Modern boards/chips are gold plated measured in microns... old military equipment were absolutely lacquered in gold

    • @odakyuodakyu6650
      @odakyuodakyu6650 4 місяці тому +2

      i can imagine some Ukrainian guy firing the missile, then running at the speed of sound out his trench with a butterfly net.

    • @jw200
      @jw200 4 місяці тому

      why use gold anyway?
      To protect from rust or?? we have stainless steel, a lot cheaper. I dont see the reason to use gold.
      whats the point?

    • @odakyuodakyu6650
      @odakyuodakyu6650 4 місяці тому +2

      @@jw200 if you are using modern, expensive munitions, you need to make sure they work with no chance of failure.

    • @mattmurphy7030
      @mattmurphy7030 4 місяці тому +2

      @@jw200gold is much more conductive than ss

  • @colombianguy8194
    @colombianguy8194 5 місяців тому +5

    Absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for this video, all the components and board arrangements are typical 90's high tech. My old IBM thinkpads are just like that, full of boards atop other boards full of big custom chips and components. 😊

    • @midclock
      @midclock 5 місяців тому +2

      Sure, but those components are all of military grade, they are built to resist at broader ranges of temperatures....I'm not sure about the specs, but probably they are much better than any retail component of the same period!

  • @billtudor1953
    @billtudor1953 5 місяців тому +25

    I had a professor that said he worked for a DoD contractor. He said they would calculate the memory requirements by the max memory allocation per second and multiply it by the max possible run time.
    Memory leak? No problem.

    • @mattmurphy7030
      @mattmurphy7030 4 місяці тому +1

      I work in aerospace and there’s no such thing as a memory leak because dynamic memory allocation is forbidden

  • @MGOFor3ver
    @MGOFor3ver 5 місяців тому +7

    So calculations on this whole board had to be faster than the missile itself. Quite impressive for that era.

  • @0MoTheG
    @0MoTheG 5 місяців тому +17

    The guidance section on it's own is not regarded to be a weapon,
    but the seeker section is !

  • @Sami242424
    @Sami242424 5 місяців тому +11

    Ta chaine est juste extraordinaire ! Merci pour ce bijou ! ^_^

  • @sfperalta
    @sfperalta 5 місяців тому +1

    It's amazing the design details and electronics package that goes into these missiles to support their very, very brief operational life!

  • @laurispiksis6144
    @laurispiksis6144 5 місяців тому +1

    Amazing craftsmanship! Thank you for sharing this👍

  • @cheekarp2180
    @cheekarp2180 5 місяців тому +10

    Great video! That was so high end cutting edge stuff and crammed in that, I bet just manufacturing the carbon fiber shell made a few people tens of millions.

    • @AirzonesBlasters
      @AirzonesBlasters 5 місяців тому +2

      Millions yeah, it would be dry fibre wrapped around a mandrel and run through an RTM press that would have been the bulk of the cost and charged up-front to the government. In the 90's / early 2000's they were probably using a template fixture for manual drilling and cutting, rather than CNC. The resin is probably phenolic and the PPE for the manual processing was probably pretty crap

  • @Katanotkate
    @Katanotkate 5 місяців тому +4

    Tbh this is the kind of content i watch youtube for

  • @sylvainaltmayer2569
    @sylvainaltmayer2569 4 місяці тому

    Purée ! C'est de la belle électronique ! Ce sont des bijoux ! Merci pour le partage !

  • @OverClockedShow
    @OverClockedShow 5 місяців тому +2

    OMG, it is so interesting. so brilliant design! looking forward to seeing inside the gyro sensor too. thanks.

  • @josephmiddleton8754
    @josephmiddleton8754 5 місяців тому +25

    What a great find Michel! well done, Isn't it sad all that beautiful engineering for a destructive cause

  • @Max_Marz
    @Max_Marz 5 місяців тому +21

    Of course! Thats why I have those bits in my mega assortment, the javelin missle screwdriver tips! How could they forget the javelin missle screwdriver bits!

    • @Xsiondu
      @Xsiondu 5 місяців тому

      It's in my cart as we speak. Don't forget to order it as a high security type so you have the hole in the middle.

    • @adamwordsworth6732
      @adamwordsworth6732 5 місяців тому +1

      Same screws (Torq-set) are also on TOW missile airframe

  • @ide5587
    @ide5587 5 місяців тому +1

    Amazing tech! Thank you for the video

  • @victoryfirst2878
    @victoryfirst2878 5 місяців тому +1

    I am amazed you got this fella to tear down.

  • @anonymouscoward9643
    @anonymouscoward9643 5 місяців тому +5

    beautiful analysis. not just the time to design the hardware, but imagine the time it took to write and validate all that code -> DSPs/fpga/etc. - for something that lives a few minutes, if that.

    • @kspau13
      @kspau13 5 місяців тому +2

      yeah like how a human is born, lives for 20 or so years, trains to be a solder and then can be dead within a few minutes when this is fired at them. Whats more sad, the loss of this beautiful hardware or the human life?

    • @benbaselet2026
      @benbaselet2026 5 місяців тому

      @@kspau13Depends on the particular human..

    • @kspau13
      @kspau13 5 місяців тому

      @@benbaselet2026 I don't think anyone serving in the military deserves to die.

    • @benbaselet2026
      @benbaselet2026 5 місяців тому +1

      @@kspau13 We will then just have to agree to disagree on this one.

  • @The_abdelhafid
    @The_abdelhafid 5 місяців тому +3

    The best youtube content ever ! merci

  • @El.Duder-ino
    @El.Duder-ino 5 місяців тому

    Thank u for this very cool teardown!

  • @BODYBUILDERS_AGAINST_FEMINISM
    @BODYBUILDERS_AGAINST_FEMINISM 5 місяців тому

    Wow... Incredible video. Thank you for sharing

  • @Fox-BZH
    @Fox-BZH 5 місяців тому +4

    I'm french and i understand perfectly what you say in english. Curious. Thanks for the video, it's so beautiful !

  • @nick_yeah
    @nick_yeah 5 місяців тому +17

    How interesting.. I lost my last Javelin missile and now this turns up on my favourite tear down channel 🤔

  • @stingable
    @stingable 5 місяців тому

    Never seen all this details , Thanks for sharing. All sophisticated electronics will be gone in seconds Phew.

  • @johnd.5601
    @johnd.5601 5 місяців тому

    I knew it would be an older item. Cool video! Thanks for sharing.

  • @SpamMouse
    @SpamMouse 5 місяців тому +16

    That thick PCB will have loads of circuit tracks, making a reverse engineering project near impossible - but I'm sure someone somewhere will have done that. Great video, thank you Michel.

    • @Av-vd3wk
      @Av-vd3wk 5 місяців тому +1

      What’s a circuit track?

    • @benthurber5363
      @benthurber5363 5 місяців тому +12

      Not really an obstacle for a vacuum plate and a precision surface grinder. Take it down layer-by-layer and take pics.

    • @M4V3RiCkU235
      @M4V3RiCkU235 5 місяців тому +28

      Don`t underestimate the patience of a Chinese

    • @flyer617
      @flyer617 5 місяців тому +2

      Sure you can have highly skilled engineers reverse engineer a many years old design, but it might be better to use that talent to design a new device to the latest standards. The magic is really in the software though.

    • @bilalbaig8586
      @bilalbaig8586 5 місяців тому +1

      NO need to reverwse engineer anythihng now. Today a 4 man team of decent engineers can achieve in 6 months what this thing was capable of back in the day. There is a UA-camr who managed to propulsively land a model. I'm sure an ATGM would be an easier task for someone with those skills.

  • @alfworks
    @alfworks 5 місяців тому +15

    Imagine all this is made at the same time as consumers were able to first time see a 16bit Intel 286 CPU.

    • @benbaselet2026
      @benbaselet2026 5 місяців тому +2

      Huh? This item is from the late 1990s and as far as Wikipedia goes the system debuted 1996. 32-bit 386 came to market 1985, way more powerful than the 286.

    • @alfworks
      @alfworks 5 місяців тому +1

      @@benbaselet2026 you could be right, my understanding was this is 80’s tech and the 286 was release in early 80’s, so that was my thought process.

  • @FixitFrank
    @FixitFrank 5 місяців тому

    i really enjoyed this. thank you Michel

  • @davidparrot4669
    @davidparrot4669 5 місяців тому

    c'est juste dingue de trouver de tels appareils , un grand merci pour le partage c'est toujours un grand plaisir.

    • @grosminetytp5520
      @grosminetytp5520 4 місяці тому

      Et toi tu gobes. On est sur youtube mec, en 2023 on peut modifier le visage, la voix, les images. S'il y avait 0.01% de chances que ce soit vrai il n'y aurait pas moyen de le prouver

  • @GothGuy885
    @GothGuy885 5 місяців тому +3

    I love your Accent! and very interesting video, this is something very unusual to see. and a great find indeed!
    thank you, Mon ame! 😀

  • @onderol
    @onderol 5 місяців тому +23

    impotant question is "can it run doom?"

    • @davidgustafik7968
      @davidgustafik7968 5 місяців тому +40

      It can distribute Doom.

    • @ikocheratcr
      @ikocheratcr 5 місяців тому +1

      I can recognize that at it least it is not "but does it run Windows?"

    • @riajhasib8810
      @riajhasib8810 5 місяців тому +2

      it should be "can it run crysis?".oh!! man, "'can it run doom'" is a insult to this guidance computer & its computing capability!!!

    • @Snowsea-gs4wu
      @Snowsea-gs4wu 5 місяців тому +1

      @@riajhasib8810Well… Doom was launched at the end of ‘93 and if this is an 80s design I’d say it would be hard to run Doom on it. My two cents…

    • @djmips
      @djmips 5 місяців тому +6

      It can spell Doom.

  • @user-ml9mn5wh2f
    @user-ml9mn5wh2f 5 місяців тому +2

    This is a very unusual video. On many levels, but still informative.

  • @yugbe
    @yugbe 5 місяців тому +2

    Really cool to see one of these up close. Thanks for the video... I won't ask where it came from. (Honestly, it may have had a flaw in it, hence why it still exist. )

  • @andrew7629
    @andrew7629 5 місяців тому +3

    So interesting the flat cables are just on the outside like that.

  • @canalcomentario
    @canalcomentario 5 місяців тому +13

    They did a wonderful engineering job.

    • @BigSmartArmed
      @BigSmartArmed 5 місяців тому

      That missile was recovered after it missed.

    • @canalcomentario
      @canalcomentario 5 місяців тому

      @@BigSmartArmed eles devem ser ruins então, bom mesmo são os mísseis russos que dão meia volta e destroem a propia base de lançamento 😅

    • @moshet842
      @moshet842 5 місяців тому +1

      @@BigSmartArmed It doesn't look like it was fired at all. Considering it was manufactured in 98, I'm guessing it was rescued from a military weapons destruction dump.

    • @BigSmartArmed
      @BigSmartArmed 5 місяців тому +2

      @@moshet842The recovery pic shows full deployment. Ukros have a huge black market for complete and chopped weapon systems.

    • @moshet842
      @moshet842 5 місяців тому +1

      @@BigSmartArmed Well, that is a sample picture from Google. The one he has is not the same as the one in the picture. Besides, the Pentagon generally has a 10-15 year shelf life on these missiles which indicates that what I said earlier was probably right considering the date of manufacture. I would bank more on it being decommissioned.

  • @tvbox126
    @tvbox126 5 місяців тому

    What a complex design! Great weapon!

    • @user-rr2gt3cg3i
      @user-rr2gt3cg3i 5 місяців тому +1

      Только не сработало )))

    • @tvbox126
      @tvbox126 5 місяців тому

      @@user-rr2gt3cg3i расскажи это путинским летающим танкистам! 😁

  • @MrValdemirs
    @MrValdemirs 5 місяців тому

    One of the best videos I've ever seen on UA-cam.
    Who knows, maybe one day you will show us a Himars teardown !

    • @benbaselet2026
      @benbaselet2026 5 місяців тому

      Tearing down a whole truck would be quite large and quite boring.

  • @23poiuz
    @23poiuz 5 місяців тому +13

    Very interesting, thanks a lot for posting! "You must ensure the missile goes to the target and not in your garden." - made my day=) I am curious about Part 2, and yes, I'd love an analysis / deep dive into the 64x64 Infrared Imaging Sensor and ADC specifically. Essentially, the sensors first stage. Maybe some aspects of the actors section as well. 330MOPS, 60MFLOPS in the DSP .. ok;) FPGAs proc power .. no idea. I guess all the processing magic will be buried in the bitstreams (ROMs, FPGAs, DSPs ..), hard to extract or analyze, so I'm not waiting for a Javelin emulator for Android soon;)

  • @trevorwhitham6742
    @trevorwhitham6742 5 місяців тому +8

    The missile knows where it is at all times

    • @steadfastsn1p3r
      @steadfastsn1p3r 5 місяців тому +2

      Only because it knows where it isn't at all times

  • @jaimdiojtar6515
    @jaimdiojtar6515 5 місяців тому

    I love the way you say "here" it reminds me to arnold swarchenegger and the terminator

  • @michaelwan4268
    @michaelwan4268 5 місяців тому

    This is fantastic video to see such weapon so closely....

  • @laurentlouiche5803
    @laurentlouiche5803 5 місяців тому +3

    Très intéressant.
    Oui oui,
    Il faut l'ouvrir, ce capteur !

  • @borkowsm
    @borkowsm 5 місяців тому +8

    Great video - as always! This breakthrough digital technology is not as fun to reverse engineer as analog technology. What's surprising is that the main shaped charge and engine are so small. Gryroscope - what I can tell you - go for it.

  • @usptact
    @usptact 5 місяців тому

    Beautiful engineering!

  • @lemerovingien3991
    @lemerovingien3991 5 місяців тому +1

    magnifique accent anglais ^^ ! c'est super je comprend tout. Vidéo très intéressante, je m'abonne de suite ! Merci Michel !!

  • @NonEuclideanTacoCannon
    @NonEuclideanTacoCannon 5 місяців тому +15

    I've wanted a peek inside a Javelin for years, very nice. Perhaps it was explained and I missed it, why are there ribbon cables extending out of the side of the airframe? Is it perhaps a testing/debug model?

    • @lelabodemichel5162
      @lelabodemichel5162  5 місяців тому +8

      You can see on the picture of the complete missile at 01:00 these ribbon cables. I think it is easier for manufacturing than using connectors inside the missile.

    • @NonEuclideanTacoCannon
      @NonEuclideanTacoCannon 5 місяців тому +1

      @@lelabodemichel5162 Oh I see now. I suppose the warhead fills the entire volume inside of that next segment.

    • @msylvain59
      @msylvain59 5 місяців тому +2

      @@NonEuclideanTacoCannon I have an empty fuselage section of a Super 530 missile, it also have holes for routing wires in channels outside the main body.

    • @NonEuclideanTacoCannon
      @NonEuclideanTacoCannon 5 місяців тому +5

      @@msylvain59 Come to think of it, space rockets use an external raceway for cables, too. It just didn't occur to me that smaller rockets would be the same for some reason.

    • @geoffroberts1126
      @geoffroberts1126 5 місяців тому

      @@NonEuclideanTacoCannon The warhead is clearly a shaped charge and since it's behind the guidance electronics, part of it's purpose is that it will totally destroy the guidance electronics when it detonates, the shockwave and hot gasses are all directed forward by the shaped charge and the vaporised electronics form part of the extremely hot gasses the punch holes in the target. I can't help thinking that this is doubtless still classified in at least some western nations, I'm surprised you were in fact able to get your hands on it.

  • @Chungalhunga
    @Chungalhunga 5 місяців тому +3

    Many thanks for the video. Beside electronics made to highest standards, the most interesting part is the cost of the missile at around $78,000, that's incredibly high for such part made in series of tens of thousands or more. So this is how weapons manufacturers and lobby get extremely rich.

    • @M3ntalMaze
      @M3ntalMaze 5 місяців тому +1

      You are forgetting R&D costs…

    • @Chungalhunga
      @Chungalhunga 5 місяців тому

      @@M3ntalMaze Serial production with some updates...

  • @TheGmr140
    @TheGmr140 5 місяців тому +1

    Very nice video, thanks 😊😊

  • @NAW32Nicoisme
    @NAW32Nicoisme 5 місяців тому

    Wow amazing stuff 🎉

  • @captainzero119
    @captainzero119 5 місяців тому +4

    depressing how much effort and complexity we put into weapons of destruction

  • @Sigmatechnica
    @Sigmatechnica 5 місяців тому +3

    really makes one wonder what's it doing with all that stuff! some super nice boardds though

  • @Bordberti
    @Bordberti 5 місяців тому +1

    Ich bin Eloka und Funkamateur. Ich finde diese Technik echt unglaublich interessant. Aktive Radar Steuerung, militärisches GPS, Wärmebild Auswertung, Flugsteuerung, ein Speicher für die Flug-Map.

  • @danielw1765
    @danielw1765 5 місяців тому +3

    It's a piece of art for electronics engineers.

  • @AVIATIONSOUNDEXPERT
    @AVIATIONSOUNDEXPERT 5 місяців тому +5

    Hello Michael,
    Do you think you can do a presentation of old EGPWS from Airbus?
    Also all callouts of the FWC Flight Warning Computer.
    May be you can get in contact with Airbus in Toulouse and they can send you one or may be more modules for free for education purposes.

  • @hgbugalou
    @hgbugalou 4 місяці тому

    I imagine this has gotten you on a few watch lists. 😂 I appreciate you sacrafice!

  • @MrTamhan
    @MrTamhan 5 місяців тому

    Nice work!

  • @CNe7532294
    @CNe7532294 5 місяців тому +16

    American here with hands on experience in military electronic parts supply (night vision parts specifically). I'd recommend everyone saving this video. Nice on covering the serial too. Theres a dumb law (ITAR) we have that defines electronics (even well known decades old ones) as "arms" and must not be shared with foreign nationals (including allies) unless it has State Dept. approval. Since Google is an American company and we don't own any of what we ever upload, UA-cam may be forced to "bend the knee" to our "competent" (when it wants to be) gov't at some point (if it gets popular enough). Just wanted to point that out. I'm no lawyer but thats what I've always been told. Regardless I like this content. Thank you.

    • @CNe7532294
      @CNe7532294 5 місяців тому

      I just wanted to further add that I don't know how sites like "thefirearmsblog" (TFB) gets away with tearing down and showcasing night/thermal/fusion vision devices amongst other things. Ones in current use (AN/PSQ-36s) were clearly "demilled" (literally they drilled the sensors). Older stuff (up to early 2010s) the gov't generally doesn't care for the most part (teardown sites and vids are still up). Heck I found a FWS-I technical manual pdf copy by Googling. But again you never know with both UA-cam and the US gov't. Or just in general (how bout megaupload).

    • @rimax82
      @rimax82 5 місяців тому +6

      I was looking for coments on this topic. That was my first thought when I saw the title. I hope he will not be travelling to the US ;)

    • @chriswendschlag1856
      @chriswendschlag1856 5 місяців тому

      ITAR isnt dumb jealous one.

    • @valrabellkeys9867
      @valrabellkeys9867 5 місяців тому +8

      I'm also frequently around defense related electronics, specifically aerospace. This, given it's part of an active system, shouldn't be on the internet.
      Edit: I should add our adversaries certainly already has some of this stuff(plus the actually useful stuff would be the lines of code), but it's still a dark grey area that would just best be avoided.

    • @chriswendschlag1856
      @chriswendschlag1856 5 місяців тому +1

      @@valrabellkeys9867 yep this is a very bad idea.

  • @paveltube80
    @paveltube80 5 місяців тому +5

    Awesome...😮

  • @Batmanananana
    @Batmanananana 5 місяців тому

    Thank you. Very informative. -Scientist from Iran

  • @benthurber5363
    @benthurber5363 5 місяців тому

    This started development the same year the Game Boy was released, building off of tech demonstrated a few years prior. The amount of computing power in a meager smartwatch dwarfs the tech here, though it was probably state-of-the-art at the time.

  • @bogdanaasarbu8038
    @bogdanaasarbu8038 5 місяців тому +7

    Very interesting. For me the most valuable parts at the OMA2541 op amps. You can make a linear power supply or an audio amp with them. All other transistors and op amps can be reused for linear applications. They are high quality for sure.

    • @Uvisir
      @Uvisir 5 місяців тому +2

      damn that op amp can give an output current of 6 amps

    • @paulmoir4452
      @paulmoir4452 5 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, avoid opening them though! The BeO label is probably a warning: some of those TO-3 can packages are filled with a heat-sink compound. Beryllium oxide is a high performance one.

  • @jinpingthebear110
    @jinpingthebear110 5 місяців тому +6

    LDM #355: Patriot MIM-104F PAC-3 missile guidance computer - Part 1: teardown

  • @mani2570
    @mani2570 5 місяців тому +1

    Are you going to power it up and find out more? Like the control loop timings and image processing frame rate?

  • @filipozimek8281
    @filipozimek8281 5 місяців тому +2

    This OMA2541 op amp, it is TI OPA541 repackaged into TO can (two pcs).

  • @sethrice9939
    @sethrice9939 5 місяців тому +17

    Smart design to have the charges burn through the electronic guidance and triggers fractions of seconds before the target gets it. Liquidate the most sensitive technology, in the primary action.

    • @christopherleubner6633
      @christopherleubner6633 5 місяців тому

      They rig drones to do this when hit.

    • @BigSmartArmed
      @BigSmartArmed 5 місяців тому +5

      That missile was recovered after it was fired and it missed. If it was that smart it would have self destructed like SAM/AA missiles do.

    • @christopherleubner6633
      @christopherleubner6633 5 місяців тому

      @@BigSmartArmed they should as a safety feature as well as for security, rather surprised by this 😬

    • @benbaselet2026
      @benbaselet2026 5 місяців тому +1

      @@BigSmartArmed How do you know that? I'd expect a fully built one to have conformal coatings and stuff fixed better. Maybe this is a prototype or some engineering model instead of a live round.

    • @BigSmartArmed
      @BigSmartArmed 5 місяців тому +1

      @@christopherleubner6633 Munitions that are directly deployed by personnel can't have self destruct mechanisms.

  • @MrTurboturbine
    @MrTurboturbine 5 місяців тому +4

    So would this run some type of OS like VX works or something? Or is it some type of industrial computer topology?

    • @msylvain59
      @msylvain59 5 місяців тому +1

      Real time OS I guess, like "Integrity OS"... looks like just a random OS but it is used for veeeeery special US military applications 🤫

    • @ittakir
      @ittakir 5 місяців тому +4

      It can be a simple program without any OS that contains of main loop and interrupts.

  • @bhadj77
    @bhadj77 5 місяців тому +1

    Incroyable !!!

  • @varshneydevansh
    @varshneydevansh 5 місяців тому

    beautiful

  • @blue3media
    @blue3media 5 місяців тому +5

    This is wild, but 100% true: my dad designed the aluminum assembly that holds the high-power transistors on the back end on the "C block" version.

  • @Ficu19902
    @Ficu19902 5 місяців тому +5

    Imagine what they can have now as a top secret now if this was designed in 1986...

    • @comment8767
      @comment8767 4 місяці тому +3

      All the electronics has been replaced with a Raspberry Pi Zero.

  • @kitesfootball3353
    @kitesfootball3353 4 місяці тому +1

    After the video from @perepolox shooting Javelin, it is no surprise that its electronics is very similar to those in modern PC video cards.

  • @BooleanDisorder
    @BooleanDisorder 4 місяці тому

    You have a great voice. ❤

  • @TheRadeonVideo
    @TheRadeonVideo 5 місяців тому +7

    This sensor looks a lot like a dynamically tuned gyro (DTG). If so, there must be two of them.

    • @lelabodemichel5162
      @lelabodemichel5162  5 місяців тому +1

      There is only one sensor on that section.

    • @Rhulthen
      @Rhulthen 5 місяців тому

      @@lelabodemichel5162 At 10:54 what is the thing in the bottom left side of the aluminum bulkhead? It looks like another sensor (same cylindrical shape).

    • @lelabodemichel5162
      @lelabodemichel5162  5 місяців тому

      @s102tk Nothing electrical, just a metallic cylinder. Maybe a provision for another sensor.

  • @jeldrikpetersen
    @jeldrikpetersen 5 місяців тому +6

    This is a freakin' fortune in gold and IC's. No wonder these systems are pricey as hell 😂 Artwork of engineering.

  • @todorkolev7565
    @todorkolev7565 5 місяців тому +2

    Would be cool if you tried to characterize this sensor, see if you can create any sort of processor for it to use the sensor and give it a new life, even as a demo :)

  • @kwhp1507
    @kwhp1507 5 місяців тому +1

    How much does the missile weigh overall? And how much do you think the guidance section weighs? It looks like it’s made from carbon fiber. I also would bet there is a sizable amount of gold traces and plating in this too.

  • @citizendc9
    @citizendc9 5 місяців тому +7

    Now I understand how that military chip manufacturer was able to create their own graphics card 3DFX out of nowhere and bring it to market. These missiles are basically flying webcams with video processors on them guiding the missile to the infrared/heat target.

    • @hakimmohamad6216
      @hakimmohamad6216 5 місяців тому +1

      Wait what? 3dfx used to be a military chip manufacturer before they made graphics cards?
      I never heard that before.

    • @wingcommanderbob8268
      @wingcommanderbob8268 5 місяців тому

      @@hakimmohamad6216 because it's not true lol. i think the only graphics card that was a result of military development was the intel i740 which was actually a joint project with lockheed martin and an outgrowth of their simulation systems, but it was really shit. SGI (where the 3dfx team originated) didn't make military hardware either

    • @hakimmohamad6216
      @hakimmohamad6216 5 місяців тому

      @@wingcommanderbob8268 wow, I really didn't know about the i740 Graphics cards. I thought that they only ever had on board/on chip graphics until recently.
      I actually thought that the Larrabee project was Intels first attempt in creating a discrete high performance GPU.
      Interesting!