That's true. Many would think that giving advice will help to lessen the problem (I mean if it's necessary then you can), but it's most of listening to that person who's having the problem to just take the burden off of their chest. That way, the person will not sulk not fixing their problems because it feels heavy. Edit: That perspective of hatred is new. A refreshing insight. P.S. Can you guys do an analysis of Addams Family (1991) and Addams Family Values (1993)? Lots of people said that they are an example of a good family. I want to know guys what your thoughts about it. P.P.S. In my entire Christian life, I haven't seen this movie. Now I want to watch it~
I don’t know. The whole, “maybe it’s a perspective thing” rubbed me the wrong way. Does he really think people are that stubborn to cut someone out of their life because it’s “maybe a perspective thing”??? Oh, and let’s not talk about that little political comment either. As if it’s just about a difference of opinion anymore.
@@Abraham-gf1oi I think in a lot of ways it is a perspective thing. A perspective is how a person views the world around them, it doesnt mean that its an ok way to view the world, not every perspective is acceptable. Some people think racism is ok, because of XYZ. Understanding their perspective (understanding that XYZ is WHY he person is racist) helps you understand that mindset. It doesn't make it ok, but you have to understand why someone believes a certain way before you can attempt to change their minds. idk if that makes sense, my thoughts got a bit jumbled at the end
@@Abraham-gf1oi Oh it does happen, a lot actually. I myself have left a majority of my family due to understanding that my views and perspectives will never be accepted by them, and to truly be myself I need to move on. I loved them, but knowing that they'd only accept me if I agreed with them let me know they loved me in a conditional way, which is a terrible thing to do.
I was just thinking about McGonagall's statement about Neville standing up to his friends: "It takes courage to stand up to enemies, but it takes more courage to stand up to friends."
@@efulmer8675 I think that was professor Dumbledoor, he gives out the ten points to Neville which grants them the housecup for that year. But I totally agree, and have struggled with this within my family, so I get it firsthand. The hardest thing is to stand up to someone you love and respect and even feel a deep loyalty to, and be honest and raw, and risking breaking their heart.. That is tough....
One thing I realized recently that separates Moses from Rameses is accountability. When Moses accidentally kills a man, Rameses's primary concern is sweeping it under the rug, but Moses embraces the consequences of his actions. But when Rameses is responsible for slavery, Moses holds him accountable, and Rameses resents him for it.
There’s a little more to that in the Bible. After Moses kills the person he actually does try to hide the body, but guilt and more guilt built over the hours before deciding to run away. Everything you see in the movie scene did happen as you mentioned. So in that time not only is Moses aware of what happens when you lack accountability, but knows very deeply the weight of what sweeping it under the rug brings.
Moses also accepts responsibility for the disaster of the chariot race resulting in one of the statues losing its nose. More, he tries to accept all the blame and shield Rameses from any of it, while the Pharaoh wants to place all blame on Rameses because the is the elder sibling. Both father and brother make him incapable of accepting any blame.
This could also be down to how Ramses was taught during his upbringing. The pharaohs are not seen as human rulers, but as incarnations of deities. Therefore, all the children of pharaohs are brought up to believe that they are the only ones worthy of casting judgements on others and deciding how things go since they see themselves as gods.
I love how in every shot where rameses has a change of heart for the worst, you can see the shadow of his father looming large, influencing every decision, to not be perceived as the “weak link”.
So interesting you mention a curse because in the Bible a curse can be/is generational, meaning it passes from parent to child until it is broken. It can only be broken by giving it to God and changing their lives. Commonly pride is the best example through the Bible. My grandfather broke his generational curse, he came from a long line of alcoholics and abusers and he decided to not follow his fathers footsteps but instead God. While his brother continued down the path. It is interesting to say the least.
The biblical explanation that God himself "hardened pharaoh's heart" so that he could show off his power probably wouldn't sit well with modern viewers.
The scene right after Pharaoh is holding is dead son and Moses leaves and begins to cry is so powerful. It’s so emotional and it shows how Moses was not unaffected by the sorrow surrounding him.
this^^^^ that scene always gets me. A lot of people seem to look at the movie with a good vs evil view and forget that that little boy was Moses' nephew. Moses also had a son (he isn't shown in the movie, but he's in the original story) who would likely have been the boy's age in the movie, so it probably hit him especially hard. The line in The Plagues where Moses goes "This was my home! All this pain and devastation, how it tortures me inside" really shows this
I think that makes Moses such a fantastic character in this movie. There are so many humanizing, emotional beats. I don't think we could empathize with his almost extraterrestrial mission without still seeing that he is so human while all this crazy stuff is happening around and through him.
"And even now I wish that God Had chose another Serving as your foe on his behalf Is the last thing that I wanted" "This was my home All this pain and devastation How it tortures me inside All the innocent who suffer From your stubbornness and pride"
I think people love this movie for the same reason they love Hamilton: It take figures that have been placed on pedestals, and makes them real people. Only people, who have no idea what they’re doing, just like the rest of us.
THat's someting that sadly gets lost to time, like many of Jesus's Decsiples are often called Saint somthing, we kind of forget they're just normal people who followed Jesus and over the years did their best, many met tragic ends.
@@AkagamiTcg The music is danm good. THe story, the visuals, it's a film anyone can find something to enjoy about it. I love it as a CHristian, and a normal person. Being a Transformers fan who loves the different depictions of Optimus Prime and Megatron's "brotherhood", in recent years I've noticed more details and come to love the relationship of Moses and Ramses as brothers here too. Heck me and my twin bro even brainstormed a Transformers version of this story, and it is kind of awesome.
@@TheZamaron To be fair, the view that Saints are somehow flawless isn't actually correct, St Paul for example literally prosecuted Christians before becoming one, St Louis was regarded as one of France's best kings but he also treated Jews like shit, and there would be no way in hell that Bernardino of Siena would get canonized today without huge amounts of backslash.
In the earliest scenes when Rameses is upset about being called a weak link by his father and Moses is trying to comfort him, he actually whistles his mother's lullaby. So later on, it makes sense that he immediately recognizes the tune, sang by his sister in an attempt to help him remember his true heritage.
@PopyStellaT. That's because in the Bible, though it's never mentioned in the movie, Jochebed was hired by the princess to be the wet-nurse for Moses in the palace. I can't remember if she knew this was the baby's true mother or not, though. (9/21/2021)
I absolutely love this movie, but I am sad you didn't mention Zippora, Moses's wife. She also exemplifies forgiveness while also holding him accountable, while also being extremely supportive of Moses. I wish that she had been given more time and action in the third act of the movie, she's absolutely amazing!
Moses only discovers his past because of her, and she saves his life and changes him. Then she travels with him to Egypt to help him accomplish his mission from God. I’d say she had a big role in the story.
@@AndreNitroX oh yeah, definitely, especially in the second act of the story she's very prominent. It's just in the third act that she takes a bit of a back seat. We are getting the idea that she herself has more or less lost faith in God and that she is getting it back, through her interaction with Miriam, but I'd love to have seen more of it. I love that she's given her own arc that exists more or less seperate from supporting Moses, but nevertheless, more would have been nice :)
I always thought Zipporah was SOOO cool. Like, she is super supportive and forgiving, but she also takes no shit from him when he's a stranger, and she still doesn't take shit from him when he's her husband. And their marriage scene is just gorgeous
Yeah they should have talked about the passage in the bible where on the way back to Egypt, god tries to kill Moses and she circumcises their son to save him. Exodus 4:24-26
As a christian, I love how the film humanises the characters. These are real people from thousands of years ago that are struggling with things we still do now. They arent spineless, they had their own doubts and fears. When Moses met God he didnt all of a suddon become fearless and confident, there were doubts and a ton of shame, but God still used him. A truely motivating film as well as a great example of faith.
@@nathanhynes1937 As God is the author of all life, He is the only one with the right to take life. The plagues that God brought down upon Egypt were a demonstration of God's mighty power that is greater than any god that man could possibly dream up. In Exodus 9:16, God tells Moses to say to the Pharaoh that God brought these plagues so "…that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." God will judge everyone justly and He knows the hearts of all of us. When these children were killed by the "destroyer" and they were brought before God for judgement, God already knew their hearts and knew which ones were to be in His presence for eternity or who would be forever separated from His presence. If Christianity is true, then death itself is just being brought from this world into the next where we either spend eternity worshipping our Creator God, or eternity away from His presence. Every firstborn of the Egyptians died, but the Israelite children were spared because the blood of the lamb had been placed on their doorframes. So begins the story of redemption, the central theme of the Bible. Redemption means "to buy back" or "to save from captivity by paying a ransom." One way to buy back a slave was to offer an equivalent or superior slave in exchange. That is the way God chose to buy us back - he offered his Son in exchange for us. In Old Testament times, God accepted symbolic offerings. Jesus had not yet been sacrificed, so God accepted the life of an animal in place of the life of the sinner. When Jesus came, he substituted his perfect life for our sinful lives, taking the penalty for sin that we deserve. Thus he redeemed us from the power of sin and restored us to God. Jesus' sacrifice made animal sacrifice no longer necessary. We must recognize that if we want to be freed from the deadly consequences of our sins, a tremendous price must be paid. But we don't have to pay it! Jesus Christ, our substitute, has already redeemed us by his death on the cross. Our part is to trust him and accept his gift of eternal life. Our sins have been paid for, and the way has been cleared for us to begin a relationship with God (Titus 2:14; Hebrews 9:13-15, 23-26)
@@nathanhynes1937 Oh I wasn't offended at all! You asked a question and I did my best to answer it. Just because someone responds with a long message doesn't mean they're upset. Things like this can take a lot to explain properly 😋 It's a really good movie! There are quite a few differences between the movie and what is written in Exodus chapters 1-14 but I still enjoy it! I'd say it would be good to watch the movie and then read those chapters in Exodus
The price of Egypt and Joseph the king of dreams were 2 of the best-animated films! Strong family meaning, stunning animation and expert storytelling! Great movies that deserve recognition.
*_Something I just found interesting is how Ramses hates Moses for all of the 3 reasons Jonathan listed_* He hates Moses because he betrayed him, He hated Moses because he is perceived as a threat to his child, And he hates Moses because he has been conditioned to hate people like him. This just blew my mind.
I know they were mostly covering the siblings, but Moses and his wife also have a really interesting story of forgiveness in the movie. He publicly humiliates and shames her, and even though he then aided her escape after she didn't have to forgive him for that. And, in a small way, she does have her vengeance. But she does forgive him and responds in a very different way from Rameses to his shame. While Rameses tries to make it go away, she acknowledges it and lets him feel it, but then doesn't let him wallow in it when she makes him "join the dance." Then of course we see for the rest of the movie she's ride or die with him, and there's such great love that grows out of forgiveness.
Precisely. Another key here is genuinely being contrite. Moses is clearly regretful of how he treated her, and then of course his major paradigm shift happens, but yep ALL this ❤️
That line "Ramesses, in my heart you are my brother, but things cannot be as they were" hits hard every time I hear it because Ramesses wants Moses back, but Moses can't reconcile unless Ramesses upends his entire world, his whole empire, and disappoints the expectations his father held for him. Letting the Hebrews go isn't in his power as a leader of his country, but Moses demands it of him because it's morally right.
You know, regarding the bit about loving while still cutting ties, my mom shared with me a saying she heard: “I forgive you because I love you, but I'm staying away because I love myself.”
I said something like this to my father and i cannot believe i actually have come far enough to speak the words outloud to him. I love him more than anything in this world but to sum it up nicely, in all my empathy i heard him in what he created for himself: "In your eyes that world (environment) is peace. In my eyes its oppression."
It’s hard to cut ties with someone you love, but are just bad for you. I have gone low contact with a family member due to them been toxic. I keep hearing from other family, “I just need to forgive and forget”. To that I say my family’s safety comes first and I would not subject them to the type of instability and danger I was subjected to.
“If I say it it will be written” Ramses II, in real life, lied about winning a battle that was actually a draw. So nice call out to the history geeks there.
Of note; I've heard that with writing and the written recording of information so new and restricted in ancient Egypt; that a lot of their magic consisted of writing a thing. To write, read, and comprehend was not a skill that the common man processed. And so it was, that in their minds; glyphs, runes, words had power - to record a thing, and have others comprehend it was to evoke it, even invoke it. That's why they carved their records in stone - it wasn't just history, it was magic. The bond between the living shapes in your mind, and the marks on the wall was spiritual - if you learned the magic, then the dead could speak to you in their own words, you could see the populous rise and fall of cities in sped or slowed time, know the yield of yesteryear's harvest down to the final grain of rye long after the counters had forgotten. So when the king says "If I say it, it will be written." - it's not just about twisting the historical record as we think of it. If the thing is written, then that is how it is - the recording of a thing shapes the reality of it. (Edit: This also applied to curses. I don't remember exactly, but an example is their euphemisms for "death". "He passed beyond the veil." or "He went down the long river." wasn't just the scribe being poetic - the word for *DEATH* wasn't a thing that sane men just casually wrote down, it could very well bring it - to you or your family if read or written.)
Something I didn’t realize until TODAY, in the scene before Moses kills the guard, he’s watching the slaves working and they’re struggling more than usual because they’re cleaning up the mess HE and Ramses causes in the beginning of the movie
@@averagebreadconsumer9489 yep, they caused the damage, he never thought of it before, but now that he sees them as his people, he sees it in a new perspective
My husband is a fixer. However, he does this one AMAZING thing where when I am upset or angy and I'm venting, he'll stop me and ask "what do you need? Am I fixing or am I listening?" It is absolutely incredible and I cannot express how grateful and appreciative I am for it.
@@FourTwenT Ngl man that was just really mean for no reason but I do ask that you think before you comment something cause a small comment you make Can also be someone’s breaking point Don’t wanna get you mad or offend you or anything 😅 Have a good day!
When Ramses says "A greater Egypt than that of my father" it zooms out and you can see the statue of his father is overshadowed by a slightly larger statue of him. Great detail and vivid parallel to the earlier shot with his father scolding him.
I honestly just cannot believe how STUNNINGLY ANIMATED this movie is, on top of all the other ways that it’s fantastic. Me and my friends always say that you could take pretty much any frame from The Prince of Egypt and hang it on your wall.
Also the fact that the animation still looks immaculate all these years later really shows the love and talent that went into this film. It’s one of the greatest of all time in my opinion.
@@akatsuki3399 that is especially amazing if you think that this movie is one of the very first examples of blending 2D animation and 3D backgrounds, and even 10 years later it still didn't always mesh properly. They did SO MUCH INCREDIBLE WORK on this movie.
"Forgiving someone doesn't mean you have to trust them" - THIS. I think so many people get this wrong, and will reproach you for not merrily putting yourself back into a bad situation. "But you said you forgave them, so that means everything should just go back to the way it was before!" Uh, nope. I can forgive someone who stabbed me, but that puts me under NO obligation to go ahead and let them run towards me with a butcher knife. I'm forgiving, not dumb.
I remember a UA-camr I follow did a video on the Christian version of forgiveness because a friend of his turned out to be a pedofile. He got a lot of horrible backlash from a lot of people because they seemed under the impression that forgiveness meant excusing that friend’s horrible actions. I never thought that was the case. Forgiveness to me, always meant “you hurt me but my anger is not going to keep me from living my life. I’ll forgive you but you are not welcomed into my life and the people in my life until I say so.”
@@SEReina-gk1kx I wanted to add onto this, since it's on topic. I actually was sexually abused by someone in my life when I was barely old enough to start talking, and it's hard to explain to people that I forgave him since. However, I will never trust him or be around him like that again. There are memories that don't get to be erased. Forgiveness was never for his sake. It was for mine. I had to heal from it, and I think it's important to reiterate that point that forgiveness does not justify their actions, nor does it require you to be in their life on any way. It is also there to help you heal from your own hurt.
@Monica Shantel that reminds me of a friend of mine who was sexually abused by her step father and the mother didn't do anything about. Years later she was still around him and her mom so I assumed she had forgiven him for doing that to her. But fast forward some time later turns out he was also sexually abusing her granddaughter. I was so blown away and devastated on my friend's behalf! Like how could you even do that to someone?! They forgave you and still kept you around in their lives, but you turn around and betray them in the worst possible way... AGAIN! I really don't think she talks to the abuser or her mom anymore after that (mom took the abuser's side over her daughter and granddaughter) 😔. My friend seems to be doing better now, but I can't help but wonder if she forgave her step father and mom after that. I figure depending on who you are dealing with forgiving someone can be so very hard, especially if you had been betrayed by them before in the past 😢.
'Forgive but never forget'. That's what it comes down to. I forgave my dad for abusing me as a child and moved on. We have a great relationship. He is a good person that has taught me a lot. But the memories are always there.
As a new mom to my son, and having the experience of birthing him and raising him and bonding everyday, the killing of the babies hits ALL TOP DIFFERENT. The Pharoah having the babies thrown to crocs, Yohevid putting her baby in the basket and knowing she'll never see him again in order for him to be safe. The last plague taking all the firstborn kids. Like.....no way man
But in the Bible and most other re-tellings of the story, it is made clear that Yocheved was allowed to be Moses's wetnurse and could keep him for a few more years. Moses's sister (it is traditionally believed that it was Miriam, but the Biblical text doesn’t state the girl's name) suggested a wetnurse to the princess.
I raised my youngest sibling and I have a harder time watching this movie now than when I was younger. It’s always the children who suffer when adults do stupid or reckless things.
It's quite dark for a children's movie. But I think the threat and violence toward children in the film adds a good depth and gravitas to the film that make adults appreciate it more.
"forgiveness means letting go of bitterness and anger and not hating somebody but you don't have to be close with people if you can't trust them" I WISH I KNEW THIS IN ELEMENTARY WHEN THE TEACHERS MADE ME FORGIVE MY BULLIES
@@johnmartin4119 That may be true in a way. However, forcing the student who's bullied to forgive the people who are hurting them only works when the bullies acknowledge that what they're doing is needlessly harmful to another person and try to meet in the middle. It's the difference between what I would call religious forgiveness and personal forgiveness. You can personally forgive someone who's bullying you by not holding on to your anger, but that decision is your own to make. Forcing someone to forgive a person when the initial effects are still being felt can create dangerous mental connections. Especially when this is done by an adult figure... it opens up to the unfortunate implication that bullies will always exist, that they're not required to get better, and that we should just put up with everything thrown in our direction by forgiving them and walking away. It's the duty of the students, parents, and teachers of young children to educate bullies on the long-lasting effects of the way they treat others. Toxic adults are often born from toxic children who were never taught that their harmful actions have real consequences. They tend to flock to others who share their views, which creates justification in their adult minds that's incredibly hard to break after it sets in. And don't even get me started on the whole "They're on the football team, so they're above reproach for their shitty behavior" attitude that was present in my schooling.
@@ianrose6218 agreed, but again given the age of kids in elementary school, this is usually the age where they’re supposed to learn about the nature forgiveness, the importance of it, and of course how when you’ve done something wrong that you need to sincerely apologize and work to be better so as not to repeat toxic behaviors. I’m not saying every bully in every situation deserves forgiveness but it is something that needs to be taught and practiced at a young age so children can learn the value of forgiveness and not hold onto resentment
Because relationships take two and if one is unwilling to change, compromise, or aid healing... it can't work. You can't force a relationship with someone who would prefer you to be seen and not heard.
Exactly. Compromise and trust are the most important parts of a relationship. Both parties have to be willing to reach an agreement, or it all falls apart.
no truer words have ever been more impact full than I think that all relationships can be saved, I don't think all relationships can be saved " I'm just speechless. because this statement hits hard very recently I got fired from my job at a Nursing home for not only destroying a coworkers fish tank but also I hacked her Facebook account and posed as her to try and apologize to her to her for my actions. as a result of my family 's bad influence in not wanting me to work there do to my family's ethnicity prejudice about my coworkers family using me and treating me like dirt, well, I dug up dirt and used it against my ex bosses daughter including a photo of the facility that she is working in my ex boss called my mother and told her that I was talking ill about her when all I was trying to do was explain to them why I am doing this. but they didn't listen, I'm letting go
"You can forgive, but you don't have to trust." Exactly! It's not because you've forgiven someone that you have to let them back into your life. It just means let's move on from hurt and anger.
I wish some people I know would realize that. I forgave the one who hurt me, but it was an unhealthy relationship, and I cannot afford to trust them, or have them as part of my life again.
Being raised a Christian you hear the story of Moses many times as a kid but it wasn't until watching this movie as a teen that it was the first time I realized that Rameses and Moses were probably loving bothers. The way Moses breaks down, after HIS nephew is killed by a plague HIS God sent and seeing the pain HIS brother is experiencing, genuinely made me cry. The Bible is full of stories of people doing things in the name of God but we don't always emphasize how they feel in the moment, even when it is mentioned.
So the historical accuracy of this biblical story is…eh, but I don’t think that matters. The Bible is about the meaning of the story, not so much the story itself. At the time that the story is supposedly set they would have crossed the Red Sea into more Egypt. Egyptians were also good at bragging about people they’d conquered, and Hebrews don’t pop up on that list. But, we know that the Red Sea does ‘part’ under certain conditions. People have been enslaved for thousands of years, and there have been uprisings. I feel like the Bible’s stories were formed over time with meaningful events. The wild time the Red Sea parted? Over time it becomes less of a historical fact and more of a story. And people crossed it when it parted. And they were enslaved. I feel like the story grew and evolved naturally. In my interpretation, it doesn’t really matter that it was Egypt and not Sumer, or that they were Hebrew not Nubian, what we learn from it matters. If you’re interested in the history ‘Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in ancient times’ is a fun read that touches on the subject of the Exodus.
The last plague, that scene with the angel of death gives me goosebumps. The absolute silence that contrasts with the angel of death's sound effect is absolutely chilling. It's not peaceful and it's not painful, it's just the children are alive and then they are not. It's so absolute and inevitable, and wholly inhuman. It's like it's too big to comprehend and that is just terrifying.
I also...”love” that it shows adult firstborns dying too. Like, your age doesn’t matter, your wealth doesn’t matter, this is coming for you. It was chilling
If you really turn up the volume and listen to the "silence" you can actually here the wailing of the screaming of the parents who lost their children.
What always hit me the hardest of this film is how fucking traumatized Ramses was because of the words of his father and is even sadder to see him break with every scene he gets. I will always get sad when he says “How could you have come to hate me so” I’m the plagues and also how when the song ends, Moses is standing still while Ramses goes to hide in the shadows away from the light
Yeah! This movie does an excellent job of portraying Ramses as the “villain,” but still making him human and vulnerable. He’s lost his son, his brother, and even himself. In this aspect, he’s not truly a “villain,” even though he’s done some god-awful things. He’s the antagonist, but still human.
My dad was actually an animator on this film. There was a character designed after me (when I was 4 years old), the little girl at 19:00 in this video.
Whaaaattt o.o that's amazing! One of my Bible profs from college also helped, Dr. Byron Curtis, and he was a major influence in changing the song from, "If You Believe," to, "WHEN You Believe." :)
The idea that Hatred comes from love is something I had heard before that I agree with. I was told the opposite of Love isn't Hate. The opposite of Love is Apathy. Interesting to think about.
Interesting, haven't heard that one before. I think it works if we take a pretty broad view of "love". The philosophy I've been most exposed to/found to be the most widely resonant with other concepts is that the opposite of love is fear, in a molecular-level -philia and -phobos kind of way. I frame the belief as there being no such thing as true stagnation, since on every scale from molecularly to cosmically, everything is either moving towards or away from any given other thing at any given time. (To continue the particles-level lens on the idea, I guess I'm arguing that we can't really choose apathy because by observing and being aware of a thing we automatically change our relationship to that thing, and thus our movement toward or away from it becomes a chosen act.) But yeah in a strictly human/emotional framework, if we take "love" in a sense where it's inextricable from fear since they're two sides of one sense of passion/feeling, then yeah I guess that duality's opposite quality would be stagnation or apathy. I never thought of it this way before but yeah I guess at the very least we're inherently by defintion apathetic toward all things we're truly unaware of lol XD
@susannaspence4512 -- Both sentiments are true, but not saying the same thing, imo. Apathy is the opposite of love, but apathy doesn't come from love. Hatred isn't the opposite of love, but perhaps comes from it. Whether from an absence of love, because the hated person took their own love or another's love away from the hating one, or because the hating one hates others almost as an attempt to honour a tradition, albeit a terrible one; a continuation of the lesson their own loved one(s) passed on and ingrained into their head and/or heart.
@@Overseer2579 unfortunately this is an excuse my parents used all the time, ironically backed up with the phrase “to be a Christian is to forgive” But only seemingly using it as an excuse. You can only hear “I ’m not perfect” so many times before it becomes clear it’s an instinctive reaction (To be clear I’m not knocking any of you that are believers, just those that use it’s tenants as an excuse to not change)
Are we not going to talk about how the scene where Rameses is calling out to Moses after the Red Sea parting parallels the scene in the beginning of the movie where Rameses calls out to Moses who is leaving Egypt after finding out he was a Hebrew. The difference is the first time Rameses called out to Moses, he loved him but by the end when he called out to him, he hated him.
I thought they were the same. Both were from a place of blinding sadness, frustration, bewilderment. I don't know that this version of Ramses would have killed Moses if he'd caught up to the Hebrews on the other side of the sea. He's still stuck in that "Why couldn't it be like it was before?!?" state. He's angry with everyone -- Moses, his father, the Hebrew God, that heavy-handed slaver -- everyone except himself. His cry is the same as it was when his only friend in the world first abandoned him: Don't go! Come back! Make it make sense! Why?!?
@@leviathanmg So you wouldn't hate someone who murdered your kid? There is also frustration that he let down the entire nation by not showing humanity and letting go of his slaves and well as a leader failing to execute revenge for his son and for the kids of his people even having an army against non-armed civilians. He witnessed genocide and now he saw that the one who brought it has the favor of gods. That's the worst scenario for a leader of a nation that perceived as a god.
@@sariarellano5606 I mean, compared to what Hollywood is normally capable of (looking at you, Exodus: Gods and Kings), this was accurate enough to be satisfying. Aaron's role is probably the worst inaccuracy, though.
@@MetFanMac I know it'sdifferent from the original story but I don't thtink it really counts as doing Aaron dirty. We have an admittedly quiet but still strong character arc for him. We see him as a man who's been a slave his whole life, who's had his trust, faith, and hope beaten out of him by years of misery, a man who only has his sister left in the world and tries to keep her safe - Miriam gets through every day of her trauma by putting all her faith and hope into her conviction that her lost brother was saved for the purpose of saving them and that he will come back for her, her brother and their people to free them, Aaron gets through every day of his trauma by trying to keep his head low and trying to avoid getting noticed. We see him throughout the movie regain his faith, learn to trust again, learn to hope that life could be better. We see him genuinely smile possibly for the first time in years. And considering when he said "When did God start caring about any of us? In fact Moses, when did you start caring about slaves?", it's a pretty big development when he's standing in front of the parted seas and looks back at the crowd with what's either a "Well? What are you waiting for? Let's go" look or a "You can stay there and stare if you want, I'm going on" look, he's effectively also saying "God is here. Moses is here. It'll be alright".
A really great piece of symbolism in this movie is Ramses' comfort place where he goes after getting scolded by his father and after the plagues. He sits on a statue of his father, literally sitting on his dad's lap.
@DidWeWin1 I don't know about you, but I see a lot of parallels with Prince William and Prince Harry, as Ramses and Moses, respectively. For Harry, breaking away from the institution surrounding the Windsors was necessary to protect his own mental and emotional health, as well as those of his wife and children, and also to protect them from actual numerous, documented, physical threats. For William, his perspective comes across as being, "How dare you leave me alone in this place?! How dare you thrive, without me?!" (4/29/2024)
"One person has changed, and the other hasn't." "You can love people but still cut ties with them." "It wasn't a healthy relationship." "Just because you love somebody doesn't mean you need to have them in your life."This whole video feels like it's describing me and my ex...
It was always really hard watching this movie knowing that Moses & Rameses never and never will be able to reconcile after the Red Sea scene. Cause there was obviously brotherly love between them, but Moses had to part ways from him forever. Neither got out of that situation emotionally unscathed 😢.
One thing I love that may or not be intentional is when their father says "The weakest link can BREAK the chain of dynasty!" In the movie, this line basically haunts Ramses and becomes his motivating factor. It defines his endless pursuit of power. ...but for Moses, there's a second layer to that phrase. Even a small 'insignificant' person with no power, money, influence or anything can stop the chains of slavery. For Moses it foreshadows the power that he's not even aware he has to change things.
In the most literal sense a single poor generation can destroy everything your entire lineage has built, a single weak ruler can spell the end of the royal family.
I love the parallels between the first scene when Moses leaves Egypt (where he says "goodbye brother" and Rameses is left screaming "Moses Moses" after him as he runs away) and the last time he leaves (when Rameses screams "Moses Moses" again and Moses is standing on the other side of the Red Sea and he softly says "goodbye brother" and turns away)
@Makula By that parallel moment, it's progressed beyond, "You haven't changed yet, but I hope you will in the future", to the realization and sad acceptance of, "You'll never change. Though I'll miss you terribly, it now needs to be goodbye forever." (12/10/2021)
I know I’m late but can we talk about when Ramses calls out to Moses at the end? As a kid I always believed he was angry but now being an adult, it sounded more like a cry of anger and of sadness. Anger towards Moses for taking everything from him and sadness because Moses was the only family he has left now and just wanted his brother back. Truly tragic in my opinion
Love the movie. It leaves out one of my favorite parts of the biblical story: kid Miriam walking up to the princess/queen bold as brass, and says, "wow, you found a baby. Coincidentally I happen to know a woman who no longer has a baby, and could be his wet nurse." And that it works. Which leaves you to assume that Adoptive Mother knows exactly what's going on, and goes along with it.
That's one way of seeing it. Another is the fact that that was the custom of the day for many many decades. Having a wet nurse for children of the upper class
@@aesinam Decades, centuries, millenia... My point is that, a girl "just happened" to be around and "just happened" to know someone who could take the job, could start within the hour. Now women who could do the job might not have been scarce, but a Jewish girl they don't even know, conveniently being on the scene right after they pick a baby in a boat basket out of the river, who has the presence of mind to put in an application on behalf of her mother, would be slightly unusual.
@@ChildOfDarkDefiance and children were often then nannied by their wet nurse well into childhood, so Moses knew his biological mother and his siblings his whole life.
@ChildOfDarkDefiance Most likely, the princess didn't question anything because she thought Moses was a gift from the God of water. That finally the God heard her pleas of giving her a baby since she supposedly was infertile, and so maybe she believed that the Jewish girl was sent by the God's. And who was she to question the God's decisions.
"Hatred comes from love. We can hate someone for three reasons: We once loved them and they betrayed us too deeply, they're a threat to people we love or we perceive them as such, or we're taught to hate them by the people we love." Holy shit. That was one of the most brilliant breakdowns I'd ever heard. You summed it up perfectly. Bravo, sir. I was raised Christian and am now Wiccan. This film and the musical "Jesus Christ Superstar" are two of my favorite Biblical-based works of art because while they can be viewed as religious pieces, they don't focus on religion or being preachy and instead tell deeply human stories that everyone can appreciate and relate to. Your analysis of this was fascinating to listen to. Thanks and wishing everyone a happy Passover, Easter, Ostara, Spring Equinox, whatever you celebrate.
I was raised catholic and I don't identify with that anymore but this film is still some of the best religious education I ever experienced in my life. What an absolute classic.
@@okikeure7422 for sure, a lot of bible tales give me ancient myth kind of vibes and this is much more recognisable. That human element was hard to come by in catholic school.
I think why this film works so well with everyone and not just for abrahamistic theists is simply, because it doesn't come across as preachy by leaving the actions within the characters agency. There is no 'hardening Pharaos heart' or anything that makes the story come across as bias. The characters just feel like they are reacting as people and it makes it feel so much more real outside of the beautiful artistry of the movie itself.
I love that it shows the real struggle with faith and relationships and learning that the world isn’t black and white and it doesn’t make Moses seem like he’s a perfect, most holy, righteous man but as a man who has seemingly strayed from God and participated in hurting his people. Every bit of this movie portrays human faith so well and it makes me feel connected to God more than any preacher ever has. Especially after the scene with the burning bush where God is forgiving Moses for his sins and tells Moses that He will be with him through this all.
Look up the words that "hardening of heart" was translated to English from. It doesn't mean God "forced" his heart, but gave him to the desires of his heart. Sadly much of English translation is oversimplified.
I actually think his heart did harden, its a small but very distinctive moment : ua-cam.com/video/8wGUvBELwRU/v-deo.html and also a lyric in the plague is " then let my heart be hardened"
@@thelastunicorn949 I don’t think you understood that person’s comment. When God hardens your heart, it is to say he KNOWS you hate him and has given up on you. You feel the absence of his love and forgiveness so all you can do is become hateful. It’s a lot to process. Bc God doesn’t give up on people unless they truly don’t want anything to do with goodness (which is a gift from God). The “hardness” is a refusal to forgive, accept reality, admit truth. And often people harden their heart when they’ve seen all God is capable of, and hate him anyway. That was the point of the plagues in Egypt - God was destroying every idol they worshipped and forcing them to admit he was real. Ramses at this point understands that each plague is God saying “this specific idol is false, I’m real. Let the Hebrews go.” And Ramses hates God for it. That’s what makes him try to kill the Hebrews at the Red Sea. He is fully aware of who God is, and what he has to do and disregards it entirely. He couldn’t accept reality and the truth made him hate God and Moses 😭 It’s very heartbreaking actually
@@thelastunicorn949 "-- and never mind how high the cost may grow. This will still be so. I will never let your people go!" This movie left such an impact on me, from when I first saw it as a child. I don't think those songs will ever leave my brain. (8/4/2023)
As a kid I was like, "psh, whatever. He's gonna be fine." As a father of two I'm not even saying words because I'm trying SO HARD not to cry in front of my boys.
One part of the movie that really touches me is the sequence where Moses is made a part of Jethro's family. The utter love and acceptance, seeing in him a goodness that he did not see in himself, just breaks me.
@@simmonedavis98 Yea there is a lot of fucked up shit in the old testament specifically, people tend to gloss over. like people will say that abortion is a sin but even in this movie god indescriminately murders all none jewish male first borns
“Hatred comes from love” It makes perfect sense to me. To feel such a strong emotion, one must first have an equally strong emotional investment to betray.
All I could think of when I read that was Anakin Skywalker, and how he loved too much. He was so scared to loose his wife that he killed for her, only for him to, in a twist of cruel irony, be the cause of her death. His love for her spiraled into hate when he believed she betrayed him. By the end of episode 3 Anakin, hated that he couldn’t keep her, he couldn’t let her go.
@@garrettviewegh677 I feel like its a recurring theme of love and how it can lead people down the path of hate. They say love is blind, but more often seems like tunnel vision. Whether its a spouse, child, or a friend, people will center their whole lives around someone who is as temporary and imperfect as they are and expect life to be picture perfect. But when loss or even the fear of loss comes into play, as unthinkable as it is, it can drive a person to fall apart and take it out on the rest of the world. Love does spiral into hate because people feel like the love of one person is all that matters and without it you're nothing. A good example would be an episode of Marvel's What If where Doctor Strange ends up destroying the whole universe for someone he loved and ended up with nothing. Love is beautiful, but we cannot let it's absence bring us down.
It's not just those words on it's own but it's after God raises his voice at Moses and then he says that right after to give him comfort. It's so beautiful, acting like the Father that he is
My absolute favorite part of this movie comes after Moses confronts Rameses in the aftermath of the Passover scene. Moses walks away but as soon as he gets outside, he just *crumbles* to the ground and sobs. It's so visceral and painful but it's so beautiful, because the movie could have had Moses completely turn on Egypt, and become completely cold and uncaring, but this moment of humanity hits so hard because Moses still cares *so much*. Moses understands his responsibility to free his people but I think part of him hates that he was chosen. The journey Moses' character takes during this movie is breathtaking.
Not even subtext. "Once I called you brother Once I thought the chance To make you laugh Was all I ever wanted... And even now I wish that G-d Had chose another Serving as your foe on His behalf Is the last thing that I wanted"
Yes! The emotions in this film are truly raw and utterly human. Not only that, but Ramses is human as well. He’s broken and beaten at the end of the movie, having lost everything. Nobody in this movie is two-dimensional, and that alone makes it unique and beautiful.
I hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE how underrated this film was. It did not get the recognition it deserved. The voice cast, the music, the story, the animation, all of it was AMAZING.
@@iBarkBite its underrated not because it was successful in the box office but because NO ONE talks about it. it never is mentioned in conversations between people. you don't hear people talking about how great this movie was years after it was made like you see so many others do with other movies. take classic disney movies you NEVER stop hearing about them and how good they were even though its been decades since their initial release. how often have you heard people talk about the Prince of Egypt vs a classic disney film like cinderella, lion king, the little mermaid, snow white and the seven dwarves, sleeping beauty. this movie is just as amazing if not more than those and yet you never hear people bring it up in conversation. that is why it is underrated as hell and not given the praise it deserves. not because it didn't make massive money in the box office. it did but because basically no one still talks about it.
@@dawnseeker176 I think the reason why is because it’s also a religious movie since it’s based off the journey of Moses and many people nowadays aren’t as religious while more and more ppl are conflicted with religions. So another example would be Notre Dame since it’s also a good film (not as good as Prince of Egypt tho) but not that many ppl talk about it since it has religion as one of its main backgrounds.
@@hyperbolicraider4848 this movie doesn't focus heavily on religion its not the main point of the story. anyone can enjoy this movie i am not religious hell i even have a bias AGAINST Christianity and i still enjoy this movie. and many other atheists and non religious people enjoy it too. the main thing is unlike many religious movies which tend to portray atheists as cruel heartless evil people. or try to force a religious message onto you. The Prince of Egypt reads more as an adaption of a legend and it takes a neutral stance and instead focuses on the relationship of moses and rameses two brothers torn apart by separate paths forcefully pitting them against eachother. religion really has nothing to do with it.
It got all the attention when it came out! What are you talking about? People don't remember it as much now cause it does not have the Disney label, but this was all the rage when it came out.
I know a parent who when their kids came to talk to him about something would ask "do you want advice, want me to get involved or do you want my ear?" He said 9 times out of 10, they just wanted him to listen.
Anytime any one of my friends rants to me i make sure to ask them before they begin if they are solution oriented or if they just want to talk it out so I can properly formulate my responses. I'm often told I'm a good listener :)
I feel sorry for Ramses, his father's words were so strong that it stayed with him. Him being" weak" were his father's words and he wanted nothing but approval from his father; his pride was his father's pride, he was conditioned to believe what he did was right. Ramses was too a victim.... He was stubborn because he was fearful.
By having his father constantly criticizing him for being weak instead of supporting him, that right there is probably what conditioned him to actually become weak and hard-headed. All his life he's told he has to be strong and brave, so inside he is so fearful he will NOT be.
This movie is just... *chef's kiss*. Also, I just noticed the view change at 14:47. Moses looks down and sees his enslaved people, while Ramses stares ahead and sees his statue beside his father's.
Yes! It's such a great visual demonstration of their different ways of looking at the world. Ramses/his family only sees the legacy - the big picture stuff, the buildings, not the builders/other workers. They are just a tool in service to the important stuff. Whereas post-realisation Moses sees that people should be the priority, in and of themselves, not the work they do. It's a lesson a lot of our CEOs/1%/bankers/politicians could do with reminding of!
I absolutely love the bit on how hate always comes from a place of love. It's so, so true and it's something that I have believed for a long while. You hate because you either loved them first, they're threatening someone you love, or someone you love taught you to hate them. Hate isn't the opposite of love, apathy is. Hate is inextricably tied to love, because passion is passion.
I run it's why so many terrorist groups use religious ideology to draw in recruits and martyrs/suicide bombers - you can use a person's love and/or faith, and twist it into a seriously dangerous weapon.
@@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035 no, sorry, I meant that they (extremists, cults, etc) manipulate the love/faith of the people they recruit, using that to convince them that God/Allah/Tr*mp/Qanon, etc want them to do this. It is because they have passion (love for/fear of losing) about their lives/country/family that they're willing to fight/die for it. Same about troops in wars; they are going to do what they have to because they believe it will protect who they love. The problem is that this wonderful passion can be misused and misdirected by certain types of people, or even sometimes by ourselves... In the movie, Ramses (sp?) is so scared of disappointing his father and the family legacy that he can't think objectively when anyone, even someone he loves as much as Moses, challenges what he's been taught is the way to be/do things. Ironically, in fighting so hard to not be the 'weak link' in the family chain he becomes rigidly entrenched in the past, following his father's plans/processes, and not able to assess anything that might need a different approach. We all need to be able to live in the present, see what is real and try to adapt as best as we can to always be the best version of ourselves. It's kinda like the Lannisters in GoT, the Dad is so obsessed with the family's legacy that he neglects his children and/or views them as tools in his quest, rather than actual people, and ultimately that is one of the biggest flaws/weaknesses within the family, and threatens not only the legacy but everyone's lives too. Maybe if Moses had been found before Ramses was born, and so had more of the expectations of leadership/family responsibility and legacy, he might have struggled more with the revelation of his true heritage... I think it's an interesting idea to play with, and a helpful exercise for trying to be empathetic to others - while still holding them accountable, but being more able to understand how/why they got to their position and maybe how we could work to bride the gap. I hope that makes sense! 😳
I love the angel during Passover. It fits the truly incomprehensible nature of angels. There's a reason that angels usually say "be not afraid" when they appear to people in the Bible.
A grotesque visage of wheels within wheels covered in eyeballs and on fire comes to you and simply says. “Do not be afraid.” What the hell do you mean do not be afraid this is the most terrifying thing I could ever see that not even my nightmares could conjure up.
@@Wot50202 To be fair, I'm pretty sure it's only specific angels that appear eldritch. Angels are very often described as human in appearance. Beautiful and androgynous male humans with like one female exception, but human.
@@Wot50202 there's also many different kind of angels that are described being very terrifying in appearance. Seraphim have three pairs of wings with two covering their feet and two covering their body and the third raised (this can vary based on depiction). Cherubim have 4 faces being that of a lion, ox, eagle, and man. The idea of an angel being a winged humanoid depends on your original source be it the Bible (writer varies), Torah, or Quran.
I love prince of Egypt. As a Christian, I have some atheist friends, and when we get sad, we make ourselves into blankie burritos, grab some good food like ice cream and cake and cheesie garlic bread, and we watch this movie so we can all cry and eat and snuggle together.
This is definitly one of those kind of movies. It makes you laugh, makes you cry, makes you sing along, and you stand up and cheer when the hero(es) get their happy ending.
There's a story in the Talmud (I think) about the drowning of the Egyptians in the Red Sea, and I think this movie has it as a background. It says, basically, that when the Egyptians were drowning, the angels broke out in songs of praise for the deliverance of the Hebrews, and God stopped them, lashing out, "How can you sing praises when my children are dying?"
Yes, it's mentioned twice in the Talmud. A small correction, G-d asks (rhetorically), "My *creations* are drowning in the sea and you are singing songs?!"
The plagues scene is freaking amazing - when the boils arrive for the Egyptians, there’s this small scene where a mother and her son are huddled in the corner of their house, and despite being Egyptian they haven’t got boils - it’s this nod to the fact that if the Egyptians turned towards the Hebrew God and believed in Him, they were protected from the plagues - it’s so subtle, but it’s so cool that they included it. This is honestly one of my favourite movies of all time.
That so interesting, I always took that as a young brother and sister and the reason they were spared is because of their innocence. I love all the layers of interpretation in this movie.
also reading the book of lamentations would even tell you that! The bible isn't a bed time story or a fable but actually a compilation of divinely orchestrated historical accounts written in stone tablets to pass onto the next generations to come
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 Some people, including people I know, have had trouble reconciling with this. I believe it's why "Jesus Christ: Superstar" isn't exactly embraced warmly in certain circles. (2/6/2022)
When reading the Bible you should know it's propaganda to make people hate and kill. This is not who Ancient Egyptians were. The Hebrews wrote things to make themselves into victims surviving terrible things but none of it is true. They were the aggressors murdering people and cultures. The philestines are thought of as stupid brutes but in reality through real science and ignoring the horrid Bible we have learned they were artists, philosophers, had laws, defended their people from warmongering chosen people that thought a God said they are the only ones who get to live.
I don’t know if it’s in the extended cut, but an important part that you guys didn’t really cover is Moses’ time in the desert. The song “Heaven’s Eyes” is a beautiful lesson in forgiving yourself and measuring your worth not by what you are or where you come from, but who you are and what you do with your life.
That's my favorite song throughout the entire movie! I love how easy to understand it is (especially since I watched this at a very young age), but they do it in both a fun and beautiful way. ❤
No the message of the song is that humans have innate value that you can't measure by material things- what they own, what they build/create, what they gain, what they give away. The message is to try and not look at your life through a human perspective, but through God's perspective.
The Prince of Egypt is a great example of how simply retelling a biblical story in a nice cinematic way it is so much more powerful in its message, than when they try to force a literal come-to-Jesus-Moment down peoples throats.
ur right, just like with any kind of story. I will happily watch a movie inspired by something I might not agree with. But when a movie tries to spread propaganda, people instantly recognize it. Many studios have a problem understanding that, not just religious groups. I believe this movie turned out so good because it was a serious passion project, not something with an agenda.
Yeah. If people want to make film adaptations of a part from the Bible, they should focus on the characters in the story. That's what gets people invested in movies & shows - it's the story.
“A Christian shoemaker dose his duty not by putting little crosses on shoes, But by making good shoes, Because God is interested in good craftsmanship” -Martin Luther
@@OriSnori Christians are branched off of Judaism, and this is an Old Testament story, both Jews and Christians believe in the Old Testament. What makes Christians different is that they believe in the New Testament and that Jesus was the Savior. So this movie was made with both in mind, because it’s a story both of them know
I think it was a Nostalgia Critic video, where he was comparing The Prince of Egypt to The Ten Commandments.... But he made a point that I've always loved, and that certainly made The Prince of Egypt the better movie (imo). Most other times this story is told they conveniently forget that Moses and Rameses are brothers. They come into the second half of the story and it's instantly that they are enemies, this one doesn't do that, yes, they become enemies, but this movie remembers to show that they are brothers, and that they still think of each other as brothers, they still love each other and it makes everything so much harder on both of them.
What's better is that the movie gives Ramses a good reason for being the adversary of Moses instead of just "I wanna keep my slaves", like how they usually portray the Pharaoh: It's when Ramses tells Seti "One collapsed temple doesn't destroy years of tradition". The reply Seti gives his son, the Prince of Egypt, clearly sticks to him: "One weak link can ruin a dynasty". I may be paraphrasing, of course.
@@vinniy32 Yeah, he wanted to make his father proud, and also uphold what he was raised to believe was a mighty heritage. There is certainly something to be learned there, about how we need to learn to take a step back and learn when not to follow our parents' footsteps.
@@serenityelizabeth8994 I always pitied Ramses more. Both brothers are confronted with harsh realities but, as is pointed out, Ramses doesn't have anyone other than Moses who just loves and accepts him as a human being. He acts like a jerk, yeah, but he's raised to be "The One" while Moses the Egyptian can just play the sidekick and do whatever. There's resentment that Moses "ran" and left Ramses to bear the burden of being heir to a god on his own. Ramses has to endure the plagues and lose his firstborn. He changes his mind about giving up the Hebrews but then has his army wiped out. Even at the very end he's crying out for his enemy, his brother, the only friend he ever had.
@@vinniy32 in the old testament it's god that make ramses stubborn I think. "he made his heart harder". The animated movie is better imo. They indeed, give him a true reason to not let go.
I love the scene where Moses looks out the window and sees the slaves suffering but when he asks Rameses to look out the window the slaves are not there because Rameses doesn't see them. It was a great way to visually represent their different perspectives. They also did a fantastic job showing how much it pains Moses to have to carry out the plagues against the Egyptians. Like after the last plague, when Moses leaves the palace after Rameses tells him his people may go, he collapses against a wall because he is so overwhelmed by the weight of the pain and suffering caused by the plagues. I also find it interesting that Rameses fear of being the weak link causes him to be the weak link.
"Just because you love somebody doesn't mean you need to have them in your life" Damn. I wish I could have heard this at the time I needed it most, but I still need to be reminded all the same.
I don't know... the Passover scene always hurt me as a kid. Even now. Like, as a Catholic, I always just felt bad about these kids, innocents, dying because of what? Some adult stuff? Their lives cut short for things they, most likely, didn't understand? It's a haunting, sad, but very painful scene to me...
We, as Humans, cant try to understand Gods plans. If weve understood that we are his creation, we have to always remember that Gods plans are above ours
@@lauramena2121 While it is true that we do not know His plans, that doesn't take away that there is real hurt and pain for all these families. In the Bible, it's contextualized in that every Egyptian heard that the Israelites wanted to go, and by that point was begging Pharoah to let them. With that, it points to "Blame Pharoah's hard-heartedness for your problem." As anyone who has dealt with true suffering knows, it doesn't always work like that. After all, this "kind, loving God" the Israelites are talking about gave them all these plagues, all these horrors that had long-last effects (a severe famine being among them). It's important to acknowledge that there is that other perspective, as "God's Plans" can be seen as a very dismissive attitude, especially during Real Suffering and Loss.
@@TsukiKatana practicing Christian here and I fully agree with this. While it is a comfort to me to believe that God works suffering into meaning and big-picture-purpose beyond my understanding, it doesnt change the depth of hurt and utter bewilderment I have experienced at times. There is real doubt to be wrestled with alongside suffering; namely questions of God's goodness and his greatness. The irony is that even the "right answers" feel sort of hollow in the midst of suffering. I think what I am needing most in those moments is connection-with God and people-than the right answers. I kinda just need someone to hurt with me first and reassure my faith later.
I feel these words so deeply. I got betrayed by a loved one... that I cherished since I was a child. That betrayal burnt my heart for last 2 years but I finally decided to move on. He is still unapologetic... but what can I do? May be I still adore him & it still hurts me but he no longer has a place in my life. He is too selfish & ignorant to even realize the damage he caused. So yeah... "just because you love someone does not mean you have to have them in your life". Painful but true.
The image of Rameses’ son between the crocodiles on the wall is such a fabulous bit of foreshadowing and it makes me weep every time whilst sending chills throughout my body.
Crocodiles were deadly predators in Egypt. They represented death. That’s where the image of Ramses ‘s son between the crocodiles on the wall was accurate foreshadowing.
@@cancerstreaming894 basically, the “camera” pans to the painting of the killing of the Hebrew children behind them. first to the old pharaoh, who points to the guards, who drop babies into the river with crocodiles, but instead of going down to the usual blank spot between the crocodiles, you see that Ramses’ son has taken his place. Then it pans away, and you see the full scene, the painting, instead of being that of the first Hebrew children genocide, has Ramses’ son as the centerpiece, the one thrown to the crocodiles to die.
The part about separating apart from someone because of views hits home, because me and my best friend of all my life stopped being as close because I became agonistic and he continued to be Christian. We don’t hate each other, we still have love for each other but that riff just changed our relationship from being super close to being more apart.
Same thing happened with my childhood friend. Except idk her beliefs as of right now and I don’t practice much of mine since I got confirmed. We grew apart after she went through a hard family matter, we both made new friends and never had classes together. But it didn’t end in a fight like another friendship I had. We just drifted apart.
I'm Christian and I have some friends who are Christian some aren't. One of my non Christian friends respect my religion and others and I respect her sexual preferences but my other friend wasn't respecting my religion and people who were straight. It kind of hurt because my friends and I were there for them when they told us they were non binary. I hope your friendship works out. It's really sad when good friends grow apart.
My mom is a fixer... but she's the kind of fixer that tries to guess what the problem is while you're talking. So you'll be trying to talk about a problem you had at work, and she'll constantly interrupt you, to give you advice that doesn't help/have anything to do with what the problem was. Meaning not only do you not felt heard after the conversation is over, but most of the time you're actually more frustrated than you were before talking to her.
I hear you, and it truly is very frustrating when that happens, I kind of want to show this vid to the fixers in my life now. Might open the door to some true conversations or to some paradigm shift
I’m a “fixer” but I just listen most of the time bc my mom would get into fights with my older sister and ask me what was wrong with the situation. I was young and had to take that role. It was stressful and I wish she respected me. She acts like I have no rights even though I turned 18 a few months ago. Makes me feel like I can’t do anything on my own. Still can’t really go on walks without someone with me. I haven’t asked in a while though.
@@nightowl_ I'm so sorry you've had that put on you. Many of us have to grow up to soon, in various ways. But it doesn't have to be a defining/limiting characteristic; at 39 I'm still working through some of my own parental baggage but I don't think any of my colleagues/acquaintances would know about it, only friends who I've trusted with details, or who have known me forever. It may still pop up occasionally, but it doesn't rule my life or my actions/decisions. You sound really self-aware and emotionally intelligent, so you've got a great foundation to build on and I bet you'll overcome and grow in wonderful and maybe unexpected ways. We can be so much more than our past/previous experience and I have confidence that you will find your way. Hope and solidarity to you on that journey xx (sorry if any of that sounds condescending, it isn't meant to be, but it can be so hard to communicate fully via text! 😳)
This is so my mom. Love her to death but arg! If I'm really, really patient I can get her to listen eventually, but it's not usually worth it. Thankfully my dad's much better at listening. It's funny, because fixing the problem instead of just listening is generally a male/female trait, and having learned most of my communication skills from my dad and having only brothers, I'm still more of a fixer than most females I know. I will sometimes stop in the middle of a conversation and say "Oh wait, you just wanted sympathy didn't you?" and the answer is always "Yes."
@@nightowl_ I had a similar situation. In the end I had to just move out and stop letting them into any part of my life they attempted to control. Only after living on my own for a few years and not dying did they start to think I might be an adult. My parent's aren't bad people, they just didn't recognize that I wasn't a kid anymore despite all evidence to the contrary. My younger brothers didn't have it any better. It's frustrating, but it can get better.
11:39 i never noticed this before but moses looks so uncomfortable being in these halls, when this was his playing ground where he grew up and had happy memories with Rameses. Such a cool little detail to emphasize that he really doesn't belong in this world anymoreand could never go back
“Hatred comes from love.” This reminds me of a quote-“the opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.” Hatred is passionate, as it love. They’re both strong emotions centered around a person or group. Indifference is the lack of passion, of attention, of focus. Whether people smother you in hugs and love, or yelled at in rage, they’re focusing on you. But by being indifferent, they ignore your humanity, your existence. They deny you any power. That’s why indifference hurts so much; rather than rooted in a facet of your existence, it’s based upon the person ignoring you, not you.
I do not think that’s true indifference is the lack of emotion more the middle like black and white would be love and hate but gray would be indifference the middle. You do not feel at all at indifference it just is where as hate and love are so powerful wars have been fought lives won and lost over those emotions. Indifference is not caring no ones fighting or caring in this emotion
In "The Reader" a young man tries to get his lover's attention but she ignores him. Later she tells him something along the lines of "you weren't worth my attention" and that scene has stayed with me as proof of how strong a lack of attention can be.
My husband and I adopted our twins (who are 20 years old) and my son at three would watch this movie and say, " Pharaoh adopted Moses, like you adopted us," So this movie has a speical place in my heart.
"You can love people, and still cut ties with them" and "Just because you love somebody, doesn't mean you need to have them in your life" really struck home with me. I've decided to cut ties with a family member because of years of toxicity and I've been accused of not loving this person either enough or not anymore- but that is simply not so. I love him dearly but I just can't have him in my life right now 😔
The Prince of Egypt is easily one of the best animated movies ever made. The visuals are stunning, the actors hired to voice the characters is absolutely A-list, and the fact that the filmmakers were able to create a movie that is both faithful to the source material as well as appealing to non-believers is absolutely incredible. I know many people who do believe, and do not believe, and they all absolutely love this movie. I saw it in the cinema when it first released and I absolutely loved it. I still love it nearly 25 years later. I watch it a couple times a year and it always blows me away.
I think to many think just because you believe and do gods will that suffering and pain just stops and it does not this shows even when doing gods will he lost his brother and the people he’s trying to save has brought greater harm. Life has ups and downs and with out the downs the good moments are not as pure. I love how it’s taught so simply in this scene he saw god it should be easy and it was anything but easy.
One thing I love about musicals is that you can do something like show 9 plagues in one song and not have it feel rushed. The music gives them all the weight and significance they deserve without having to spend 45 minutes showing each one.
So there is a phrase that says "I don't want you to save me, I want you to stand beside me while I save myself" And thats all I could think about while they were talking about "fix-it" people
The Passover scene is one of my favorite movie scenes and Alan broke it down so amazingly. The haunting ethereal music, the sound design, the look of the power of God. And when using headphones it sounds even more haunting and sometimes I even get goosebumps Also the music is one other part the makes this movie so great. The music that plays when Rameses looks at Moses with hatred is one such example. As well as the song when the Hebrews are leaving Egypt.
Don’t forget that Islam is also based in Abrahamic tradition. We follow and love this story too. The prophet Moses (Mussa) is one of the most revered prophets and plays an incredibly important role in Islamic tradition as well. This was always my favorite movie growing up. 🥰
I have a theory that Abraham's first son born of the servant woman was the father of the people who would practice Islam. I am unfamiliar with the religion to know if there is any base for such a thing
You know, I think something that may have thrown Moses for a loop when returning to the palace was who the current Pharaoh was. He was prepared to deal with his father, the butcher, not his brother. I think that's part of what made his confidence waver initially. It was one thing to challenge his father who he had already broken from during his paradigm shift. It was another thing entirely to find someone he still loved deeply as his foe. Moses probably hated everything far more because it was Ramses not their father.
One of my favorite scenes is when moses sees that his nephew has died and as he leaves he just collapses to the ground just crying. There is so much emotion in even the littlest scenes. This movie is beautiful.
23:35 that's the single moment I never forgot from this film. You pointed out something significant that the overblown heston epic missed: With Ramses not able to have friends, Moses is someone in his life who is closer than a brother. Everything that has happened has done far more than stab him in the heart, and perhaps the only way to alleviate that pain is to destroy the one who, in a sense murdered his brother (being Moses himself)
As a Christian, I am extremely happy with how respectful you both were of this movie and it's origins from the Bible and Torah. A lot of UA-camrs blatantly disrespect religious and cultural beliefs when reacting to movies, and it really makes me sad. Thank you so much for not only acknowledging this movie's origins but also for respecting the beauty of it, even if it does represent a religion that you might not agree with. ❤️🤗
@@ateenofnoculture5767 they’re members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or, as they’re more commonly know, mormons. Being from Utah, they’re some of the most open and chill members.
18:00 "The Plague" music number also further explored Mosses and Rameses fractured relationship where the former sang, "I wish that God has choose another / Serving your foe on his behalf was the last thing that I wanted." I loved this movie. This was indeed a humanized telling of the Story of Mosses. It does hit home for me due to not having the best upbringing, but that's here or there. In a way, it's a family movie that shows situations that some families deal with everyday, but also focus on forgiveness, redemption and making heart-breaking choices. This is a great deep dive from a therapist and filmmakers perspective.
When I was little, I focused on the relationship of the two brothers and was amazed by it. Now, as a first-time mother, I saw it and related/focused on both Queen Tuya and Yocheved...their sacrifice to take care of Moses despite everything around them... also, the pain that Ramses must've felt when his son died... I kind of understand his anger and rage... a very powerful and different movie for me now as an adult... (still awesome)
As a Christian, I really wish we had more movies like this that can tell a beautiful story, without being preachy, like most of "christian entertainment”. It’s faith building for me, and it’s a masterpiece for everyone.
And the humanity shown feels so nice! In the bible it's kinda hard for me to Imagine the people having emotions. But here it's shown so naturally, and i love it!
a compelling story with great artistic merit and not just preachy propaganda, unlike certain other Christian movies * * cough cough - - God's Not Dead - - cough cough * *
I honestly recommend another Disney christian movie called Joseph the king of dreams and every time I see it I feel like it really is made by the same people same kind of drawing of characters
I love this movie, have since I was a child. As an adult I appreciate the depth more, and can really see the moral messages. The song "Through Heaven's Eyes" means more to me now than it ever did as a child.
I want to have though you'll never know all the steps you must learn to join the dance tattooed on my body somewhere because this song has made such a great impact in my life
When me or my partner are upset we ask each other if they want solutions or sympathy. That way we can avoid rushing in to fix a problem when the other person just wants a shoulder to cry on.
I agree that this is one of the few Bible movies where the characters feel human. In almost every other Moses adaptation, we don’t see a relationship between Moses and Ramses. They’re just always enemies from the get go. But here, they actually act like brothers, and it’s one of the many reasons why I adore this movie to pieces. ❤️
if you read the bible (especially lamentations) you can see other countless stories like this of normal human struggles like as portrayed in this film as well! The bible isn't just to "preach" or force a message on people...but to perhaps change one's thinking on things
As a Muslim, my Grandfather brought me this movie at a very young age, along with Lion King. While he was a religious man, he was more towards the spiritual side, stating that religion was NOTHING without being a decent human first. May he Rest In Peace.
@@markeyiszra I guess it's because of the rule among fellow Muslims (Especially us Sunni) that we shouldn't assume how prophets looked like (lots of Shi'te mosques actually give Mohammad(SWAS) a physical aspect with a face. But to be fairly honest bro... as a Muslim myself I feel pity for those countries that actually banned this fabulous movie. This was a fantastic art that signified "Humanity" instead of "Religion".
The reunion of Ramses and Moses is sad because we know it's going to end badly but the most heart-wrenching, soul crushing moment in this movie is after they argue and Moses can see there will be no compromise, he takes the ring Ramses gave him off and places it next to Ramses before leaving. Its so final, the choice is made and it can't be undone without someone having to hurt
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As a christian I knew the story about Moses since I was in kindergarten
(P.S CAN YOU DO JOSEPH: THE KING OF DREAMS TO?)
Can you review the film "I Am Not Ashamed"? It's based on a true story about a girl who offers forgiveness and compassion because of her faith.
Out of all the people who watched this, only three disliked it. There should be zero people who disliked.
That's true. Many would think that giving advice will help to lessen the problem (I mean if it's necessary then you can), but it's most of listening to that person who's having the problem to just take the burden off of their chest. That way, the person will not sulk not fixing their problems because it feels heavy.
Edit: That perspective of hatred is new. A refreshing insight.
P.S. Can you guys do an analysis of Addams Family (1991) and Addams Family Values (1993)? Lots of people said that they are an example of a good family. I want to know guys what your thoughts about it.
P.P.S. In my entire Christian life, I haven't seen this movie. Now I want to watch it~
This was beautiful fellas. Still going to need that Lion king video
“And just because you love somebody doesn’t mean you need to have them in your life” hits hard but is so true
I don’t know. The whole, “maybe it’s a perspective thing” rubbed me the wrong way. Does he really think people are that stubborn to cut someone out of their life because it’s “maybe a perspective thing”??? Oh, and let’s not talk about that little political comment either. As if it’s just about a difference of opinion anymore.
@@Abraham-gf1oi I think in a lot of ways it is a perspective thing. A perspective is how a person views the world around them, it doesnt mean that its an ok way to view the world, not every perspective is acceptable.
Some people think racism is ok, because of XYZ. Understanding their perspective (understanding that XYZ is WHY he person is racist) helps you understand that mindset. It doesn't make it ok, but you have to understand why someone believes a certain way before you can attempt to change their minds. idk if that makes sense, my thoughts got a bit jumbled at the end
Truth
@@Abraham-gf1oi Oh it does happen, a lot actually. I myself have left a majority of my family due to understanding that my views and perspectives will never be accepted by them, and to truly be myself I need to move on. I loved them, but knowing that they'd only accept me if I agreed with them let me know they loved me in a conditional way, which is a terrible thing to do.
Amen to that brother.
What I learned from Prince of Egypt is that the biggest and hardest conflicts are not against those we hate but against those we love.
100 points to gryffindor!
I was just thinking about McGonagall's statement about Neville standing up to his friends: "It takes courage to stand up to enemies, but it takes more courage to stand up to friends."
@@efulmer8675 I think that was professor Dumbledoor, he gives out the ten points to Neville which grants them the housecup for that year. But I totally agree, and have struggled with this within my family, so I get it firsthand. The hardest thing is to stand up to someone you love and respect and even feel a deep loyalty to, and be honest and raw, and risking breaking their heart.. That is tough....
@@Elionora_Ellingsgaard Actually I think you're right, it was Dumbledore. Such a good payoff to such a small moment in the movie.
That sounds bittersweet 😢
One thing I realized recently that separates Moses from Rameses is accountability. When Moses accidentally kills a man, Rameses's primary concern is sweeping it under the rug, but Moses embraces the consequences of his actions. But when Rameses is responsible for slavery, Moses holds him accountable, and Rameses resents him for it.
There’s a little more to that in the Bible. After Moses kills the person he actually does try to hide the body, but guilt and more guilt built over the hours before deciding to run away. Everything you see in the movie scene did happen as you mentioned. So in that time not only is Moses aware of what happens when you lack accountability, but knows very deeply the weight of what sweeping it under the rug brings.
Moses also accepts responsibility for the disaster of the chariot race resulting in one of the statues losing its nose. More, he tries to accept all the blame and shield Rameses from any of it, while the Pharaoh wants to place all blame on Rameses because the is the elder sibling. Both father and brother make him incapable of accepting any blame.
@@hayleybartek8643 Oh true! Just adds to the privilege Moses escaped from
This could also be down to how Ramses was taught during his upbringing. The pharaohs are not seen as human rulers, but as incarnations of deities. Therefore, all the children of pharaohs are brought up to believe that they are the only ones worthy of casting judgements on others and deciding how things go since they see themselves as gods.
Running away from home isn’t taking responsibility for your actions…
I love Prince of Egypt, but the craziest part about it to me is that is was made by the same people who made Shrek
Actually the team that made Sherk was a punishment team. Pretty sure most of the people that worked on Shrek did not work on Prince of Egypt.
I mean, it's two masterpieces in their own right and genre so it does not surprise me actually
Even though Shrek was made afterwards, it is still pretty insane!
And those who did not work up to the standard for the PRINCE OF EGYPT were sent to work on SHREK instead, which they called getting "Shreked" :)
i'm honestly surprised that they moved away from 2D animation cause when they put their hearts into it they can make Art
I love how in every shot where rameses has a change of heart for the worst, you can see the shadow of his father looming large, influencing every decision, to not be perceived as the “weak link”.
He was trying so hard to fulfill his shoes but instead be told. You can only be the best ruler YOU can be.
Ooo, that's true. It almost looks like a curse for him
As many times as I’ve watched this movie I’ve never noticed that smh I’m disappointed in myself
So interesting you mention a curse because in the Bible a curse can be/is generational, meaning it passes from parent to child until it is broken. It can only be broken by giving it to God and changing their lives. Commonly pride is the best example through the Bible. My grandfather broke his generational curse, he came from a long line of alcoholics and abusers and he decided to not follow his fathers footsteps but instead God. While his brother continued down the path. It is interesting to say the least.
The biblical explanation that God himself "hardened pharaoh's heart" so that he could show off his power probably wouldn't sit well with modern viewers.
The scene right after Pharaoh is holding is dead son and Moses leaves and begins to cry is so powerful. It’s so emotional and it shows how Moses was not unaffected by the sorrow surrounding him.
this^^^^ that scene always gets me. A lot of people seem to look at the movie with a good vs evil view and forget that that little boy was Moses' nephew. Moses also had a son (he isn't shown in the movie, but he's in the original story) who would likely have been the boy's age in the movie, so it probably hit him especially hard. The line in The Plagues where Moses goes "This was my home! All this pain and devastation, how it tortures me inside" really shows this
I think that makes Moses such a fantastic character in this movie. There are so many humanizing, emotional beats. I don't think we could empathize with his almost extraterrestrial mission without still seeing that he is so human while all this crazy stuff is happening around and through him.
Not only that but moses SHARES rameses' sorrow, as he lost his nephew.
"And even now I wish that God
Had chose another
Serving as your foe on his behalf
Is the last thing that I wanted"
"This was my home
All this pain and devastation
How it tortures me inside
All the innocent who suffer
From your stubbornness and pride"
Imagine having to make that choice. God, I feel for Moses.
It’s like they say, “The opposite of love isn’t hate: it’s indifference.”
Then what is the opposite of hate ?
Hate is just love with its back turned.
yep. love and hate are both intense forms of passion, either positive or negative. the opposite of passion is indifference, or not caring at all
@@mistingwolf
Wow. That's deep.
Lol the opposite is pride
I think people love this movie for the same reason they love Hamilton: It take figures that have been placed on pedestals, and makes them real people. Only people, who have no idea what they’re doing, just like the rest of us.
I love this movie and I love Hamilton!!!💗💗💗
THat's someting that sadly gets lost to time, like many of Jesus's Decsiples are often called Saint somthing, we kind of forget they're just normal people who followed Jesus and over the years did their best, many met tragic ends.
Also they enjoy the rap and pop music of it don't forget that part lol
@@AkagamiTcg The music is danm good. THe story, the visuals, it's a film anyone can find something to enjoy about it. I love it as a CHristian, and a normal person. Being a Transformers fan who loves the different depictions of Optimus Prime and Megatron's "brotherhood", in recent years I've noticed more details and come to love the relationship of Moses and Ramses as brothers here too. Heck me and my twin bro even brainstormed a Transformers version of this story, and it is kind of awesome.
@@TheZamaron To be fair, the view that Saints are somehow flawless isn't actually correct, St Paul for example literally prosecuted Christians before becoming one, St Louis was regarded as one of France's best kings but he also treated Jews like shit, and there would be no way in hell that Bernardino of Siena would get canonized today without huge amounts of backslash.
In the earliest scenes when Rameses is upset about being called a weak link by his father and Moses is trying to comfort him, he actually whistles his mother's lullaby. So later on, it makes sense that he immediately recognizes the tune, sang by his sister in an attempt to help him remember his true heritage.
@PopyStellaT. That's because in the Bible, though it's never mentioned in the movie, Jochebed was hired by the princess to be the wet-nurse for Moses in the palace. I can't remember if she knew this was the baby's true mother or not, though. (9/21/2021)
@@daniellemusella1594 Wow I've never heard that before. Thanks!
Damn, good eye!
@@febbledebble or ear 😏
PopyStella T. Okay yeah
I absolutely love this movie, but I am sad you didn't mention Zippora, Moses's wife. She also exemplifies forgiveness while also holding him accountable, while also being extremely supportive of Moses. I wish that she had been given more time and action in the third act of the movie, she's absolutely amazing!
Moses only discovers his past because of her, and she saves his life and changes him. Then she travels with him to Egypt to help him accomplish his mission from God. I’d say she had a big role in the story.
@@AndreNitroX oh yeah, definitely, especially in the second act of the story she's very prominent. It's just in the third act that she takes a bit of a back seat. We are getting the idea that she herself has more or less lost faith in God and that she is getting it back, through her interaction with Miriam, but I'd love to have seen more of it. I love that she's given her own arc that exists more or less seperate from supporting Moses, but nevertheless, more would have been nice :)
I always thought Zipporah was SOOO cool. Like, she is super supportive and forgiving, but she also takes no shit from him when he's a stranger, and she still doesn't take shit from him when he's her husband. And their marriage scene is just gorgeous
The movie's not really about her, so she wasn't given that much time.
Yeah they should have talked about the passage in the bible where on the way back to Egypt, god tries to kill Moses and she circumcises their son to save him. Exodus 4:24-26
Fun fact: the voice actress of Yocheved (Moses' biological mother), Ofra Haza, sang her part in 18 languages
Holy Crap. That's incredible!
That is truly amazing 😃! That is some big brain business going on there!
Wow 😯
Yoooo
I only knew the French version until I came to the US, and was shocked at first, thinking the dubbing actress was sooo similar to the original, haha!
As a christian, I love how the film humanises the characters. These are real people from thousands of years ago that are struggling with things we still do now. They arent spineless, they had their own doubts and fears. When Moses met God he didnt all of a suddon become fearless and confident, there were doubts and a ton of shame, but God still used him. A truely motivating film as well as a great example of faith.
Why kill the son he did nothing wrong 😢😭😭😭😭
God I mean
@@nathanhynes1937 As God is the author of all life, He is the only one with the right to take life. The plagues that God brought down upon Egypt were a demonstration of God's mighty power that is greater than any god that man could possibly dream up. In Exodus 9:16, God tells Moses to say to the Pharaoh that God brought these plagues so "…that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." God will judge everyone justly and He knows the hearts of all of us. When these children were killed by the "destroyer" and they were brought before God for judgement, God already knew their hearts and knew which ones were to be in His presence for eternity or who would be forever separated from His presence. If Christianity is true, then death itself is just being brought from this world into the next where we either spend eternity worshipping our Creator God, or eternity away from His presence.
Every firstborn of the Egyptians died, but the Israelite children were spared because the blood of the lamb had been placed on their doorframes. So begins the story of redemption, the central theme of the Bible. Redemption means "to buy back" or "to save from captivity by paying a ransom." One way to buy back a slave was to offer an equivalent or superior slave in exchange. That is the way God chose to buy us back - he offered his Son in exchange for us.
In Old Testament times, God accepted symbolic offerings. Jesus had not yet been sacrificed, so God accepted the life of an animal in place of the life of the sinner. When Jesus came, he substituted his perfect life for our sinful lives, taking the penalty for sin that we deserve. Thus he redeemed us from the power of sin and restored us to God. Jesus' sacrifice made animal sacrifice no longer necessary.
We must recognize that if we want to be freed from the deadly consequences of our sins, a tremendous price must be paid. But we don't have to pay it! Jesus Christ, our substitute, has already redeemed us by his death on the cross. Our part is to trust him and accept his gift of eternal life. Our sins have been paid for, and the way has been cleared for us to begin a relationship with God (Titus 2:14; Hebrews 9:13-15, 23-26)
@@GhostRyder2008 ok meant no offense just a little shocked and as I have not seen the movie have a great day 😊😊😊😊
@@nathanhynes1937 Oh I wasn't offended at all! You asked a question and I did my best to answer it. Just because someone responds with a long message doesn't mean they're upset. Things like this can take a lot to explain properly 😋
It's a really good movie! There are quite a few differences between the movie and what is written in Exodus chapters 1-14 but I still enjoy it! I'd say it would be good to watch the movie and then read those chapters in Exodus
I'm so glad to see Prince of Egypt getting the recognition it deserves. It's one of the best animated films I've ever seen.
My personal opinion is that it’s hands-down the best animated film of all time
It’s so good I can’t even. A very similar film that is super good is Joseph: King of Dreams
@@juliarunn5009 I've seen that one too. While unfair to compare it to Prince of Egypt, it's still a good movie in its own right.
The price of Egypt and Joseph the king of dreams were 2 of the best-animated films! Strong family meaning, stunning animation and expert storytelling! Great movies that deserve recognition.
Truth also playing with the big boys is one of the best songs period
*_Something I just found interesting is how Ramses hates Moses for all of the 3 reasons Jonathan listed_*
He hates Moses because he betrayed him,
He hated Moses because he is perceived as a threat to his child,
And he hates Moses because he has been conditioned to hate people like him.
This just blew my mind.
This is a really interesting insight!
@@ceilazel6061 thanks!
🤯🤯🤯 Wow, never thought of it like that, but that makes sense!
Oh damn this is good..
Wow I never noticed that! Genuinely mind blowing
I know they were mostly covering the siblings, but Moses and his wife also have a really interesting story of forgiveness in the movie. He publicly humiliates and shames her, and even though he then aided her escape after she didn't have to forgive him for that. And, in a small way, she does have her vengeance. But she does forgive him and responds in a very different way from Rameses to his shame. While Rameses tries to make it go away, she acknowledges it and lets him feel it, but then doesn't let him wallow in it when she makes him "join the dance." Then of course we see for the rest of the movie she's ride or die with him, and there's such great love that grows out of forgiveness.
Precisely. Another key here is genuinely being contrite. Moses is clearly regretful of how he treated her, and then of course his major paradigm shift happens, but yep ALL this ❤️
She was also supposed to be his bed wench in the movie, but he felt too bad to go through with it (Plus, she escaped)
@@reikun86 I might sound really stupid for this, but what do you mean that she was meant to be his "bed wench"?
@@BratzRockAngels You're not stupid
@@BratzRockAngels After Moses humiliates her, Ramses orders his men to clean her up and take her to Moses’ chambers to be used as a bed warmer.
That line "Ramesses, in my heart you are my brother, but things cannot be as they were" hits hard every time I hear it because Ramesses wants Moses back, but Moses can't reconcile unless Ramesses upends his entire world, his whole empire, and disappoints the expectations his father held for him. Letting the Hebrews go isn't in his power as a leader of his country, but Moses demands it of him because it's morally right.
You know, regarding the bit about loving while still cutting ties, my mom shared with me a saying she heard:
“I forgive you because I love you, but I'm staying away because I love myself.”
I said something like this to my father and i cannot believe i actually have come far enough to speak the words outloud to him. I love him more than anything in this world but to sum it up nicely, in all my empathy i heard him in what he created for himself: "In your eyes that world (environment) is peace. In my eyes its oppression."
Interesting
It’s hard to cut ties with someone you love, but are just bad for you. I have gone low contact with a family member due to them been toxic. I keep hearing from other family, “I just need to forgive and forget”. To that I say my family’s safety comes first and I would not subject them to the type of instability and danger I was subjected to.
“If I say it it will be written”
Ramses II, in real life, lied about winning a battle that was actually a draw. So nice call out to the history geeks there.
Gaze upon my works ye mighty, and despair
@SophieJones "So, let it be written. So, let it be done." - Yul Brinner as Rameses, "The Ten Commandments". (2/19/2022)
@@Dre2Dee2 nothing beside remains
True though it should also be remembered that the Hittites did the exact same thing when they recorded the results of that same battle.
Of note; I've heard that with writing and the written recording of information so new and restricted in ancient Egypt; that a lot of their magic consisted of writing a thing. To write, read, and comprehend was not a skill that the common man processed.
And so it was, that in their minds; glyphs, runes, words had power - to record a thing, and have others comprehend it was to evoke it, even invoke it. That's why they carved their records in stone - it wasn't just history, it was magic.
The bond between the living shapes in your mind, and the marks on the wall was spiritual - if you learned the magic, then the dead could speak to you in their own words, you could see the populous rise and fall of cities in sped or slowed time, know the yield of yesteryear's harvest down to the final grain of rye long after the counters had forgotten.
So when the king says "If I say it, it will be written." - it's not just about twisting the historical record as we think of it. If the thing is written, then that is how it is - the recording of a thing shapes the reality of it.
(Edit: This also applied to curses. I don't remember exactly, but an example is their euphemisms for "death". "He passed beyond the veil." or "He went down the long river." wasn't just the scribe being poetic - the word for *DEATH* wasn't a thing that sane men just casually wrote down, it could very well bring it - to you or your family if read or written.)
Something I didn’t realize until TODAY, in the scene before Moses kills the guard, he’s watching the slaves working and they’re struggling more than usual because they’re cleaning up the mess HE and Ramses causes in the beginning of the movie
Actually??
@@averagebreadconsumer9489 yep, they caused the damage, he never thought of it before, but now that he sees them as his people, he sees it in a new perspective
Yes, that is true!
i never noticed that, thanks for pointing that out!
My husband is a fixer. However, he does this one AMAZING thing where when I am upset or angy and I'm venting, he'll stop me and ask "what do you need? Am I fixing or am I listening?" It is absolutely incredible and I cannot express how grateful and appreciative I am for it.
Fixer here: I feel inspired by this comment. I’ll try that!
You don’t deserve him
@@FourTwenTMeaning?
@@LFDLittlefluffydino you should be able to be forward and direct with your feelings instead of relying on someone to pull it out of you
@@FourTwenT Ngl man that was just really mean for no reason but I do ask that you think before you comment something cause a small comment you make Can also be someone’s breaking point
Don’t wanna get you mad or offend you or anything 😅
Have a good day!
When Ramses says "A greater Egypt than that of my father" it zooms out and you can see the statue of his father is overshadowed by a slightly larger statue of him. Great detail and vivid parallel to the earlier shot with his father scolding him.
Never noticed. Cool
Also the fact that the city has become much larger than the one under his father’s rule
And he got his wish. There was a cry in Egypt that has never been heard before or ever will be again.
I honestly just cannot believe how STUNNINGLY ANIMATED this movie is, on top of all the other ways that it’s fantastic. Me and my friends always say that you could take pretty much any frame from The Prince of Egypt and hang it on your wall.
Also the fact that the animation still looks immaculate all these years later really shows the love and talent that went into this film. It’s one of the greatest of all time in my opinion.
There’s also so much detail you should freeze every scene and analyze it
@@akatsuki3399 that is especially amazing if you think that this movie is one of the very first examples of blending 2D animation and 3D backgrounds, and even 10 years later it still didn't always mesh properly. They did SO MUCH INCREDIBLE WORK on this movie.
It was hand PAINTED.
Yeah, especially the one with Rameses' butt.
Absolutely love the movie, just jk.
"Forgiving someone doesn't mean you have to trust them" - THIS. I think so many people get this wrong, and will reproach you for not merrily putting yourself back into a bad situation. "But you said you forgave them, so that means everything should just go back to the way it was before!" Uh, nope. I can forgive someone who stabbed me, but that puts me under NO obligation to go ahead and let them run towards me with a butcher knife. I'm forgiving, not dumb.
I remember a UA-camr I follow did a video on the Christian version of forgiveness because a friend of his turned out to be a pedofile. He got a lot of horrible backlash from a lot of people because they seemed under the impression that forgiveness meant excusing that friend’s horrible actions. I never thought that was the case. Forgiveness to me, always meant “you hurt me but my anger is not going to keep me from living my life. I’ll forgive you but you are not welcomed into my life and the people in my life until I say so.”
the problem may be water under the bridge but that bridge may be destroyed
@@SEReina-gk1kx I wanted to add onto this, since it's on topic.
I actually was sexually abused by someone in my life when I was barely old enough to start talking, and it's hard to explain to people that I forgave him since. However, I will never trust him or be around him like that again. There are memories that don't get to be erased. Forgiveness was never for his sake. It was for mine. I had to heal from it, and I think it's important to reiterate that point that forgiveness does not justify their actions, nor does it require you to be in their life on any way. It is also there to help you heal from your own hurt.
@Monica Shantel that reminds me of a friend of mine who was sexually abused by her step father and the mother didn't do anything about. Years later she was still around him and her mom so I assumed she had forgiven him for doing that to her. But fast forward some time later turns out he was also sexually abusing her granddaughter. I was so blown away and devastated on my friend's behalf! Like how could you even do that to someone?! They forgave you and still kept you around in their lives, but you turn around and betray them in the worst possible way... AGAIN! I really don't think she talks to the abuser or her mom anymore after that (mom took the abuser's side over her daughter and granddaughter) 😔. My friend seems to be doing better now, but I can't help but wonder if she forgave her step father and mom after that. I figure depending on who you are dealing with forgiving someone can be so very hard, especially if you had been betrayed by them before in the past 😢.
'Forgive but never forget'. That's what it comes down to. I forgave my dad for abusing me as a child and moved on. We have a great relationship. He is a good person that has taught me a lot. But the memories are always there.
As a new mom to my son, and having the experience of birthing him and raising him and bonding everyday, the killing of the babies hits ALL TOP DIFFERENT. The Pharoah having the babies thrown to crocs, Yohevid putting her baby in the basket and knowing she'll never see him again in order for him to be safe. The last plague taking all the firstborn kids. Like.....no way man
Oh yeah. Becoming a parent makes all that stuff hit so much harder!
But in the Bible and most other re-tellings of the story, it is made clear that Yocheved was allowed to be Moses's wetnurse and could keep him for a few more years.
Moses's sister (it is traditionally believed that it was Miriam, but the Biblical text doesn’t state the girl's name) suggested a wetnurse to the princess.
I raised my youngest sibling and I have a harder time watching this movie now than when I was younger. It’s always the children who suffer when adults do stupid or reckless things.
It's quite dark for a children's movie. But I think the threat and violence toward children in the film adds a good depth and gravitas to the film that make adults appreciate it more.
@@treehuggerdude4 This is Dreamworks though.
"forgiveness means letting go of bitterness and anger and not hating somebody but you don't have to be close with people if you can't trust them" I WISH I KNEW THIS IN ELEMENTARY WHEN THE TEACHERS MADE ME FORGIVE MY BULLIES
An elementary school bully and someone who is legitimately toxic are two different things. Plus it’s good to teach forgiveness at a young age
@@johnmartin4119 Gaslighting.
@@johnmartin4119 That may be true in a way. However, forcing the student who's bullied to forgive the people who are hurting them only works when the bullies acknowledge that what they're doing is needlessly harmful to another person and try to meet in the middle. It's the difference between what I would call religious forgiveness and personal forgiveness.
You can personally forgive someone who's bullying you by not holding on to your anger, but that decision is your own to make. Forcing someone to forgive a person when the initial effects are still being felt can create dangerous mental connections. Especially when this is done by an adult figure... it opens up to the unfortunate implication that bullies will always exist, that they're not required to get better, and that we should just put up with everything thrown in our direction by forgiving them and walking away. It's the duty of the students, parents, and teachers of young children to educate bullies on the long-lasting effects of the way they treat others.
Toxic adults are often born from toxic children who were never taught that their harmful actions have real consequences. They tend to flock to others who share their views, which creates justification in their adult minds that's incredibly hard to break after it sets in. And don't even get me started on the whole "They're on the football team, so they're above reproach for their shitty behavior" attitude that was present in my schooling.
@@ianrose6218 agreed, but again given the age of kids in elementary school, this is usually the age where they’re supposed to learn about the nature forgiveness, the importance of it, and of course how when you’ve done something wrong that you need to sincerely apologize and work to be better so as not to repeat toxic behaviors. I’m not saying every bully in every situation deserves forgiveness but it is something that needs to be taught and practiced at a young age so children can learn the value of forgiveness and not hold onto resentment
@@anagonzalez8972 gaslighting and forgiveness are also two different things
“I think all relationships can be saved, I don’t think all relationships will be saved.” WOW
Because relationships take two and if one is unwilling to change, compromise, or aid healing... it can't work. You can't force a relationship with someone who would prefer you to be seen and not heard.
Exactly. Compromise and trust are the most important parts of a relationship. Both parties have to be willing to reach an agreement, or it all falls apart.
Its true
Yep. I felt that too. It's heartbreaking, but it is so very true.
no truer words have ever been more impact full than I think that all relationships can be saved, I don't think all relationships can be saved " I'm just speechless.
because this statement hits hard very recently I got fired from my job at a Nursing home for not only destroying a coworkers fish tank but also I hacked her Facebook account and posed as her to try and apologize to her to her for my actions.
as a result of my family 's bad influence in not wanting me to work there do to my family's ethnicity prejudice about my coworkers family using me and treating me like dirt,
well, I dug up dirt and used it against my ex bosses daughter including a photo of the facility that she is working in
my ex boss called my mother and told her that I was talking ill about her when all I was trying to do was explain to them why I am doing this.
but they didn't listen,
I'm letting go
"You can forgive, but you don't have to trust." Exactly! It's not because you've forgiven someone that you have to let them back into your life. It just means let's move on from hurt and anger.
*from hurt and anger
I wish some people I know would realize that. I forgave the one who hurt me, but it was an unhealthy relationship, and I cannot afford to trust them, or have them as part of my life again.
@@Checkmate1138 yes duh keyboard issue
Those people usually try to guilt-trip you with "if you had really forgiven me, you would trust me"
Never fall for it, friends
@@maryzinhaahright, classic gaslighting tricks
Being raised a Christian you hear the story of Moses many times as a kid but it wasn't until watching this movie as a teen that it was the first time I realized that Rameses and Moses were probably loving bothers. The way Moses breaks down, after HIS nephew is killed by a plague HIS God sent and seeing the pain HIS brother is experiencing, genuinely made me cry. The Bible is full of stories of people doing things in the name of God but we don't always emphasize how they feel in the moment, even when it is mentioned.
In reality, Moses and Ramses weren’t brothers. Moses was the adopted son of Ramses’s daughter.
@@DianeKang In reality, Ramses wasn't the Pharaoh during this event but it was most likely Amenhotep II. :P
You right---the Bible is full of stories about people who do things in the name of God. Like when God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac
That would ignore the rest where God stops Abraham.
So the historical accuracy of this biblical story is…eh, but I don’t think that matters. The Bible is about the meaning of the story, not so much the story itself. At the time that the story is supposedly set they would have crossed the Red Sea into more Egypt. Egyptians were also good at bragging about people they’d conquered, and Hebrews don’t pop up on that list. But, we know that the Red Sea does ‘part’ under certain conditions. People have been enslaved for thousands of years, and there have been uprisings. I feel like the Bible’s stories were formed over time with meaningful events. The wild time the Red Sea parted? Over time it becomes less of a historical fact and more of a story. And people crossed it when it parted. And they were enslaved. I feel like the story grew and evolved naturally. In my interpretation, it doesn’t really matter that it was Egypt and not Sumer, or that they were Hebrew not Nubian, what we learn from it matters.
If you’re interested in the history ‘Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in ancient times’ is a fun read that touches on the subject of the Exodus.
The last plague, that scene with the angel of death gives me goosebumps. The absolute silence that contrasts with the angel of death's sound effect is absolutely chilling. It's not peaceful and it's not painful, it's just the children are alive and then they are not. It's so absolute and inevitable, and wholly inhuman. It's like it's too big to comprehend and that is just terrifying.
One of those scenes that you never forget honestly...
@@nenep1872 Yup. I remember watching this years ago when I was younger snd that scene is the one that ive never forgotten lol
I also...”love” that it shows adult firstborns dying too. Like, your age doesn’t matter, your wealth doesn’t matter, this is coming for you. It was chilling
If you really turn up the volume and listen to the "silence" you can actually here the wailing of the screaming of the parents who lost their children.
The sighs when it passed through gave me the chills. Yet, it doesn't sound malicious or threatening.
What always hit me the hardest of this film is how fucking traumatized Ramses was because of the words of his father and is even sadder to see him break with every scene he gets. I will always get sad when he says “How could you have come to hate me so” I’m the plagues and also how when the song ends, Moses is standing still while Ramses goes to hide in the shadows away from the light
Yeah! This movie does an excellent job of portraying Ramses as the “villain,” but still making him human and vulnerable. He’s lost his son, his brother, and even himself. In this aspect, he’s not truly a “villain,” even though he’s done some god-awful things. He’s the antagonist, but still human.
My dad was actually an animator on this film. There was a character designed after me (when I was 4 years old), the little girl at 19:00 in this video.
That’s so cool!
Lucky ;^;)/
Whaaaattt o.o that's amazing!
One of my Bible profs from college also helped, Dr. Byron Curtis, and he was a major influence in changing the song from, "If You Believe," to, "WHEN You Believe." :)
That is really freakin cool 😃!
Wow, that is truly amazing
The idea that Hatred comes from love is something I had heard before that I agree with. I was told the opposite of Love isn't Hate. The opposite of Love is Apathy. Interesting to think about.
Interesting, haven't heard that one before. I think it works if we take a pretty broad view of "love". The philosophy I've been most exposed to/found to be the most widely resonant with other concepts is that the opposite of love is fear, in a molecular-level -philia and -phobos kind of way. I frame the belief as there being no such thing as true stagnation, since on every scale from molecularly to cosmically, everything is either moving towards or away from any given other thing at any given time. (To continue the particles-level lens on the idea, I guess I'm arguing that we can't really choose apathy because by observing and being aware of a thing we automatically change our relationship to that thing, and thus our movement toward or away from it becomes a chosen act.) But yeah in a strictly human/emotional framework, if we take "love" in a sense where it's inextricable from fear since they're two sides of one sense of passion/feeling, then yeah I guess that duality's opposite quality would be stagnation or apathy. I never thought of it this way before but yeah I guess at the very least we're inherently by defintion apathetic toward all things we're truly unaware of lol XD
@@ItsAsparageese. Maybe that’s why it says in the Bible “perfect love casteth out fear”…
@@Karenpayne47 Makes sense!
@susannaspence4512 -- Both sentiments are true, but not saying the same thing, imo. Apathy is the opposite of love, but apathy doesn't come from love. Hatred isn't the opposite of love, but perhaps comes from it. Whether from an absence of love, because the hated person took their own love or another's love away from the hating one, or because the hating one hates others almost as an attempt to honour a tradition, albeit a terrible one; a continuation of the lesson their own loved one(s) passed on and ingrained into their head and/or heart.
The only quote about forgiveness I've ever heard and liked is "Forgiveness is not about forgetting, it's for getting to a better place."
Forgiveness is not for the other person, it's for you.
Forgiveness is relinquishing the power a person has over you.
Yes, but most people would prefer you forget as the form of forgiveness, so they can get an easy pass to deliberately make the same mistake again
@@Overseer2579 unfortunately this is an excuse my parents used all the time, ironically backed up with the phrase “to be a Christian is to forgive”
But only seemingly using it as an excuse. You can only hear “I ’m not perfect” so many times before it becomes clear it’s an instinctive reaction
(To be clear I’m not knocking any of you that are believers, just those that use it’s tenants as an excuse to not change)
Forgiveness from me is a guarantee, as per my policy. Pardoning, on the other hand...
Are we not going to talk about how the scene where Rameses is calling out to Moses after the Red Sea parting parallels the scene in the beginning of the movie where Rameses calls out to Moses who is leaving Egypt after finding out he was a Hebrew. The difference is the first time Rameses called out to Moses, he loved him but by the end when he called out to him, he hated him.
This!!!
I thought they were the same. Both were from a place of blinding sadness, frustration, bewilderment. I don't know that this version of Ramses would have killed Moses if he'd caught up to the Hebrews on the other side of the sea. He's still stuck in that "Why couldn't it be like it was before?!?" state. He's angry with everyone -- Moses, his father, the Hebrew God, that heavy-handed slaver -- everyone except himself. His cry is the same as it was when his only friend in the world first abandoned him: Don't go! Come back! Make it make sense! Why?!?
Also at the end he sounds like he's in agony. He's lost everything and it's so chilling and sad to hear his cries
I’m sorry but your pfp gave me a fight or flight response.
No matter where I go I can never escape Hetalia!
@@leviathanmg So you wouldn't hate someone who murdered your kid? There is also frustration that he let down the entire nation by not showing humanity and letting go of his slaves and well as a leader failing to execute revenge for his son and for the kids of his people even having an army against non-armed civilians.
He witnessed genocide and now he saw that the one who brought it has the favor of gods. That's the worst scenario for a leader of a nation that perceived as a god.
That scene where Aaron walks into the parted sea first when everyone else is afraid. 😭 It's beautiful. "I trust you. You've proven that I can."
Not accurate to the original story, though. In fact this movie as a whole really did Aaron dirty for the sake of a more dramatic story.
@@MetFanMac As a scene in a movie, it's one of my favorites, but you're right, not just with Aaron, most of the movie is inaccurate.
@@sariarellano5606 I mean, compared to what Hollywood is normally capable of (looking at you, Exodus: Gods and Kings), this was accurate enough to be satisfying. Aaron's role is probably the worst inaccuracy, though.
@@MetFanMac I know it'sdifferent from the original story but I don't thtink it really counts as doing Aaron dirty. We have an admittedly quiet but still strong character arc for him. We see him as a man who's been a slave his whole life, who's had his trust, faith, and hope beaten out of him by years of misery, a man who only has his sister left in the world and tries to keep her safe - Miriam gets through every day of her trauma by putting all her faith and hope into her conviction that her lost brother was saved for the purpose of saving them and that he will come back for her, her brother and their people to free them, Aaron gets through every day of his trauma by trying to keep his head low and trying to avoid getting noticed. We see him throughout the movie regain his faith, learn to trust again, learn to hope that life could be better. We see him genuinely smile possibly for the first time in years. And considering when he said "When did God start caring about any of us? In fact Moses, when did you start caring about slaves?", it's a pretty big development when he's standing in front of the parted seas and looks back at the crowd with what's either a "Well? What are you waiting for? Let's go" look or a "You can stay there and stare if you want, I'm going on" look, he's effectively also saying "God is here. Moses is here. It'll be alright".
A really great piece of symbolism in this movie is Ramses' comfort place where he goes after getting scolded by his father and after the plagues. He sits on a statue of his father, literally sitting on his dad's lap.
@DidWeWin1 I don't know about you, but I see a lot of parallels with Prince William and Prince Harry, as Ramses and Moses, respectively. For Harry, breaking away from the institution surrounding the Windsors was necessary to protect his own mental and emotional health, as well as those of his wife and children, and also to protect them from actual numerous, documented, physical threats. For William, his perspective comes across as being, "How dare you leave me alone in this place?! How dare you thrive, without me?!" (4/29/2024)
"One person has changed, and the other hasn't." "You can love people but still cut ties with them." "It wasn't a healthy relationship." "Just because you love somebody doesn't mean you need to have them in your life."This whole video feels like it's describing me and my ex...
It seriously describes me an my younger sister.
You're absolutely right!! You don't have to hate someone to realize their place in your life is not healthy for either one of you. Y
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It was always really hard watching this movie knowing that Moses & Rameses never and never will be able to reconcile after the Red Sea scene. Cause there was obviously brotherly love between them, but Moses had to part ways from him forever. Neither got out of that situation emotionally unscathed 😢.
One thing I love that may or not be intentional is when their father says "The weakest link can BREAK the chain of dynasty!"
In the movie, this line basically haunts Ramses and becomes his motivating factor. It defines his endless pursuit of power.
...but for Moses, there's a second layer to that phrase. Even a small 'insignificant' person with no power, money, influence or anything can stop the chains of slavery. For Moses it foreshadows the power that he's not even aware he has to change things.
In the most literal sense a single poor generation can destroy everything your entire lineage has built, a single weak ruler can spell the end of the royal family.
Well said!
I love how you put what I was thinking into words!
I love that this line can be taken as both a threat and a promise: a threat for Ramses; a promise for Moses.
Omggg that's deep :0
I love the parallels between the first scene when Moses leaves Egypt (where he says "goodbye brother" and Rameses is left screaming "Moses Moses" after him as he runs away) and the last time he leaves (when Rameses screams "Moses Moses" again and Moses is standing on the other side of the Red Sea and he softly says "goodbye brother" and turns away)
@Makula By that parallel moment, it's progressed beyond, "You haven't changed yet, but I hope you will in the future", to the realization and sad acceptance of, "You'll never change. Though I'll miss you terribly, it now needs to be goodbye forever." (12/10/2021)
Didn't catch that one.
Hurts me everytime. QAQ
I know I’m late but can we talk about when Ramses calls out to Moses at the end? As a kid I always believed he was angry but now being an adult, it sounded more like a cry of anger and of sadness. Anger towards Moses for taking everything from him and sadness because Moses was the only family he has left now and just wanted his brother back. Truly tragic in my opinion
It was a heartbreaking cry!
Love the movie. It leaves out one of my favorite parts of the biblical story: kid Miriam walking up to the princess/queen bold as brass, and says, "wow, you found a baby. Coincidentally I happen to know a woman who no longer has a baby, and could be his wet nurse." And that it works. Which leaves you to assume that Adoptive Mother knows exactly what's going on, and goes along with it.
That's one way of seeing it. Another is the fact that that was the custom of the day for many many decades. Having a wet nurse for children of the upper class
@@aesinam Decades, centuries, millenia... My point is that, a girl "just happened" to be around and "just happened" to know someone who could take the job, could start within the hour. Now women who could do the job might not have been scarce, but a Jewish girl they don't even know, conveniently being on the scene right after they pick a baby in a boat basket out of the river, who has the presence of mind to put in an application on behalf of her mother, would be slightly unusual.
@@ChildOfDarkDefiance and children were often then nannied by their wet nurse well into childhood, so Moses knew his biological mother and his siblings his whole life.
The amazing thing is the wet nurse was actually his bio mother and he never knew
@ChildOfDarkDefiance Most likely, the princess didn't question anything because she thought Moses was a gift from the God of water. That finally the God heard her pleas of giving her a baby since she supposedly was infertile, and so maybe she believed that the Jewish girl was sent by the God's. And who was she to question the God's decisions.
"Hatred comes from love. We can hate someone for three reasons: We once loved them and they betrayed us too deeply, they're a threat to people we love or we perceive them as such, or we're taught to hate them by the people we love."
Holy shit. That was one of the most brilliant breakdowns I'd ever heard. You summed it up perfectly. Bravo, sir.
I was raised Christian and am now Wiccan. This film and the musical "Jesus Christ Superstar" are two of my favorite Biblical-based works of art because while they can be viewed as religious pieces, they don't focus on religion or being preachy and instead tell deeply human stories that everyone can appreciate and relate to. Your analysis of this was fascinating to listen to. Thanks and wishing everyone a happy Passover, Easter, Ostara, Spring Equinox, whatever you celebrate.
Just like a certain man once said: "When a man learns to love, he must bear the risk of hate."
Happy Ostara!
@@Ganychan Thanks! You, too! Blessed be!
@@PresidentFunnyValentine A certain man with some really useful eyes.
Sorry for not knowing but what is Wiccan?
I was raised catholic and I don't identify with that anymore but this film is still some of the best religious education I ever experienced in my life. What an absolute classic.
It really gave me a lot of context to the story and grounded it in humanity
@@okikeure7422 for sure, a lot of bible tales give me ancient myth kind of vibes and this is much more recognisable. That human element was hard to come by in catholic school.
I think why this film works so well with everyone and not just for abrahamistic theists is simply, because it doesn't come across as preachy by leaving the actions within the characters agency.
There is no 'hardening Pharaos heart' or anything that makes the story come across as bias.
The characters just feel like they are reacting as people and it makes it feel so much more real outside of the beautiful artistry of the movie itself.
I love that it shows the real struggle with faith and relationships and learning that the world isn’t black and white and it doesn’t make Moses seem like he’s a perfect, most holy, righteous man but as a man who has seemingly strayed from God and participated in hurting his people. Every bit of this movie portrays human faith so well and it makes me feel connected to God more than any preacher ever has. Especially after the scene with the burning bush where God is forgiving Moses for his sins and tells Moses that He will be with him through this all.
Look up the words that "hardening of heart" was translated to English from. It doesn't mean God "forced" his heart, but gave him to the desires of his heart. Sadly much of English translation is oversimplified.
I actually think his heart did harden, its a small but very distinctive moment : ua-cam.com/video/8wGUvBELwRU/v-deo.html
and also a lyric in the plague is " then let my heart be hardened"
@@thelastunicorn949 I don’t think you understood that person’s comment. When God hardens your heart, it is to say he KNOWS you hate him and has given up on you. You feel the absence of his love and forgiveness so all you can do is become hateful.
It’s a lot to process. Bc God doesn’t give up on people unless they truly don’t want anything to do with goodness (which is a gift from God). The “hardness” is a refusal to forgive, accept reality, admit truth. And often people harden their heart when they’ve seen all God is capable of, and hate him anyway. That was the point of the plagues in Egypt - God was destroying every idol they worshipped and forcing them to admit he was real.
Ramses at this point understands that each plague is God saying “this specific idol is false, I’m real. Let the Hebrews go.” And Ramses hates God for it. That’s what makes him try to kill the Hebrews at the Red Sea. He is fully aware of who God is, and what he has to do and disregards it entirely. He couldn’t accept reality and the truth made him hate God and Moses 😭 It’s very heartbreaking actually
@@thelastunicorn949 "-- and never mind how high the cost may grow. This will still be so. I will never let your people go!" This movie left such an impact on me, from when I first saw it as a child. I don't think those songs will ever leave my brain. (8/4/2023)
I’ve seen this movie so many times, and I still cry like a baby every time Moses’ mother sings and puts him in the basket.
The singer Ofra Haza was one of the best singers ever and sadly died too early
@Rennzith OMG me too, every time!
Me too, I just can't handle it even after seeing it for the first time 22 years later. 😭
@@aldentepotato your among friends
As a kid I was like, "psh, whatever. He's gonna be fine."
As a father of two I'm not even saying words because I'm trying SO HARD not to cry in front of my boys.
One part of the movie that really touches me is the sequence where Moses is made a part of Jethro's family. The utter love and acceptance, seeing in him a goodness that he did not see in himself, just breaks me.
my favorite part was when Moses slaughtered the nearby kingdoms and sparred only the virgin girls. oh sorry wrong story
@@mattattack75 wait, what story is that, my interest is piqued.
@@Chibi_Canary numbers 31:17
@@mattattack75 Woah, what? I gotta read my Bible more. You just blew my mind 🤯
@@simmonedavis98 Yea there is a lot of fucked up shit in the old testament specifically, people tend to gloss over. like people will say that abortion is a sin but even in this movie god indescriminately murders all none jewish male first borns
“Hatred comes from love”
It makes perfect sense to me. To feel such a strong emotion, one must first have an equally strong emotional investment to betray.
Love and Hate are the two concepts in life that are closer than some people think.
This is the biggest yt take
All I could think of when I read that was Anakin Skywalker, and how he loved too much. He was so scared to loose his wife that he killed for her, only for him to, in a twist of cruel irony, be the cause of her death. His love for her spiraled into hate when he believed she betrayed him. By the end of episode 3 Anakin, hated that he couldn’t keep her, he couldn’t let her go.
@@garrettviewegh677 I feel like its a recurring theme of love and how it can lead people down the path of hate. They say love is blind, but more often seems like tunnel vision. Whether its a spouse, child, or a friend, people will center their whole lives around someone who is as temporary and imperfect as they are and expect life to be picture perfect. But when loss or even the fear of loss comes into play, as unthinkable as it is, it can drive a person to fall apart and take it out on the rest of the world. Love does spiral into hate because people feel like the love of one person is all that matters and without it you're nothing. A good example would be an episode of Marvel's What If where Doctor Strange ends up destroying the whole universe for someone he loved and ended up with nothing. Love is beautiful, but we cannot let it's absence bring us down.
My absolute favourite part of the movie is when God simply says "Oh Moses".
So simple but so impactful.
No cap made me cry Idk why
It's not just those words on it's own but it's after God raises his voice at Moses and then he says that right after to give him comfort. It's so beautiful, acting like the Father that he is
My absolute favorite part of this movie comes after Moses confronts Rameses in the aftermath of the Passover scene. Moses walks away but as soon as he gets outside, he just *crumbles* to the ground and sobs. It's so visceral and painful but it's so beautiful, because the movie could have had Moses completely turn on Egypt, and become completely cold and uncaring, but this moment of humanity hits so hard because Moses still cares *so much*. Moses understands his responsibility to free his people but I think part of him hates that he was chosen. The journey Moses' character takes during this movie is breathtaking.
Not even subtext.
"Once I called you brother
Once I thought the chance
To make you laugh
Was all I ever wanted...
And even now I wish that G-d
Had chose another
Serving as your foe on His behalf
Is the last thing that I wanted"
Yes! The emotions in this film are truly raw and utterly human. Not only that, but Ramses is human as well. He’s broken and beaten at the end of the movie, having lost everything. Nobody in this movie is two-dimensional, and that alone makes it unique and beautiful.
I hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE how underrated this film was. It did not get the recognition it deserved. The voice cast, the music, the story, the animation, all of it was AMAZING.
It made 200 million…box office not even sales now. What is underrated about this for y’all
@@iBarkBite its underrated not because it was successful in the box office but because NO ONE talks about it. it never is mentioned in conversations between people. you don't hear people talking about how great this movie was years after it was made like you see so many others do with other movies. take classic disney movies you NEVER stop hearing about them and how good they were even though its been decades since their initial release. how often have you heard people talk about the Prince of Egypt vs a classic disney film like cinderella, lion king, the little mermaid, snow white and the seven dwarves, sleeping beauty. this movie is just as amazing if not more than those and yet you never hear people bring it up in conversation. that is why it is underrated as hell and not given the praise it deserves. not because it didn't make massive money in the box office. it did but because basically no one still talks about it.
@@dawnseeker176 I think the reason why is because it’s also a religious movie since it’s based off the journey of Moses and many people nowadays aren’t as religious while more and more ppl are conflicted with religions. So another example would be Notre Dame since it’s also a good film (not as good as Prince of Egypt tho) but not that many ppl talk about it since it has religion as one of its main backgrounds.
@@hyperbolicraider4848 this movie doesn't focus heavily on religion its not the main point of the story. anyone can enjoy this movie i am not religious hell i even have a bias AGAINST Christianity and i still enjoy this movie. and many other atheists and non religious people enjoy it too. the main thing is unlike many religious movies which tend to portray atheists as cruel heartless evil people. or try to force a religious message onto you. The Prince of Egypt reads more as an adaption of a legend and it takes a neutral stance and instead focuses on the relationship of moses and rameses two brothers torn apart by separate paths forcefully pitting them against eachother. religion really has nothing to do with it.
It got all the attention when it came out! What are you talking about? People don't remember it as much now cause it does not have the Disney label, but this was all the rage when it came out.
I know a parent who when their kids came to talk to him about something would ask "do you want advice, want me to get involved or do you want my ear?" He said 9 times out of 10, they just wanted him to listen.
I'm borrowing this for when I become a parent
Anytime any one of my friends rants to me i make sure to ask them before they begin if they are solution oriented or if they just want to talk it out so I can properly formulate my responses. I'm often told I'm a good listener :)
Smart. :03
Dad of the year
I feel sorry for Ramses, his father's words were so strong that it stayed with him. Him being" weak" were his father's words and he wanted nothing but approval from his father; his pride was his father's pride, he was conditioned to believe what he did was right. Ramses was too a victim.... He was stubborn because he was fearful.
By having his father constantly criticizing him for being weak instead of supporting him, that right there is probably what conditioned him to actually become weak and hard-headed. All his life he's told he has to be strong and brave, so inside he is so fearful he will NOT be.
This movie is just... *chef's kiss*. Also, I just noticed the view change at 14:47. Moses looks down and sees his enslaved people, while Ramses stares ahead and sees his statue beside his father's.
He was facing the right direction but then he raised his face to look straight ahead.
Yes! It's such a great visual demonstration of their different ways of looking at the world. Ramses/his family only sees the legacy - the big picture stuff, the buildings, not the builders/other workers. They are just a tool in service to the important stuff.
Whereas post-realisation Moses sees that people should be the priority, in and of themselves, not the work they do.
It's a lesson a lot of our CEOs/1%/bankers/politicians could do with reminding of!
I’ve been saying this for so long!!
I absolutely love the bit on how hate always comes from a place of love. It's so, so true and it's something that I have believed for a long while. You hate because you either loved them first, they're threatening someone you love, or someone you love taught you to hate them. Hate isn't the opposite of love, apathy is. Hate is inextricably tied to love, because passion is passion.
Really like that lesson as well. Love is a powerful weapon
I run it's why so many terrorist groups use religious ideology to draw in recruits and martyrs/suicide bombers - you can use a person's love and/or faith, and twist it into a seriously dangerous weapon.
@@helenl3193 there is no feeling or passion there. Only ressources to manipulate pawns.
@@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035 no, sorry, I meant that they (extremists, cults, etc) manipulate the love/faith of the people they recruit, using that to convince them that God/Allah/Tr*mp/Qanon, etc want them to do this. It is because they have passion (love for/fear of losing) about their lives/country/family that they're willing to fight/die for it. Same about troops in wars; they are going to do what they have to because they believe it will protect who they love.
The problem is that this wonderful passion can be misused and misdirected by certain types of people, or even sometimes by ourselves...
In the movie, Ramses (sp?) is so scared of disappointing his father and the family legacy that he can't think objectively when anyone, even someone he loves as much as Moses, challenges what he's been taught is the way to be/do things. Ironically, in fighting so hard to not be the 'weak link' in the family chain he becomes rigidly entrenched in the past, following his father's plans/processes, and not able to assess anything that might need a different approach.
We all need to be able to live in the present, see what is real and try to adapt as best as we can to always be the best version of ourselves. It's kinda like the Lannisters in GoT, the Dad is so obsessed with the family's legacy that he neglects his children and/or views them as tools in his quest, rather than actual people, and ultimately that is one of the biggest flaws/weaknesses within the family, and threatens not only the legacy but everyone's lives too.
Maybe if Moses had been found before Ramses was born, and so had more of the expectations of leadership/family responsibility and legacy, he might have struggled more with the revelation of his true heritage... I think it's an interesting idea to play with, and a helpful exercise for trying to be empathetic to others - while still holding them accountable, but being more able to understand how/why they got to their position and maybe how we could work to bride the gap.
I hope that makes sense! 😳
Sorry for going on so much, this one really got to me! 😳😇
I love the angel during Passover. It fits the truly incomprehensible nature of angels. There's a reason that angels usually say "be not afraid" when they appear to people in the Bible.
“Be not afraid” is the modern day equivalent of “chill its cool”
What the angel's say:
*"Be not afraid!"*
What the angel's really mean:
*"Wassup, can a Loc come up in yo crib?"*
A grotesque visage of wheels within wheels covered in eyeballs and on fire comes to you and simply says. “Do not be afraid.”
What the hell do you mean do not be afraid this is the most terrifying thing I could ever see that not even my nightmares could conjure up.
@@Wot50202 To be fair, I'm pretty sure it's only specific angels that appear eldritch. Angels are very often described as human in appearance. Beautiful and androgynous male humans with like one female exception, but human.
@@Wot50202 there's also many different kind of angels that are described being very terrifying in appearance. Seraphim have three pairs of wings with two covering their feet and two covering their body and the third raised (this can vary based on depiction). Cherubim have 4 faces being that of a lion, ox, eagle, and man. The idea of an angel being a winged humanoid depends on your original source be it the Bible (writer varies), Torah, or Quran.
I love prince of Egypt. As a Christian, I have some atheist friends, and when we get sad, we make ourselves into blankie burritos, grab some good food like ice cream and cake and cheesie garlic bread, and we watch this movie so we can all cry and eat and snuggle together.
Oh my gosh, that’s so beautiful!
awesome
So sweet.
Beautiful
This is definitly one of those kind of movies. It makes you laugh, makes you cry, makes you sing along, and you stand up and cheer when the hero(es) get their happy ending.
There's a story in the Talmud (I think) about the drowning of the Egyptians in the Red Sea, and I think this movie has it as a background. It says, basically, that when the Egyptians were drowning, the angels broke out in songs of praise for the deliverance of the Hebrews, and God stopped them, lashing out, "How can you sing praises when my children are dying?"
I love this. Thank you for sharing.
Yes, it's mentioned twice in the Talmud. A small correction, G-d asks (rhetorically), "My *creations* are drowning in the sea and you are singing songs?!"
Wow. Just shows how much God loves us, wether we are bad or good.
That's one of the reason it's considered deuterocanonical to some of us.
Yes. As much as we celebrate this story of our freedom, we are absolutely supposed to feel bad for the suffering of the innocent Egyptian citizens.
The plagues scene is freaking amazing - when the boils arrive for the Egyptians, there’s this small scene where a mother and her son are huddled in the corner of their house, and despite being Egyptian they haven’t got boils - it’s this nod to the fact that if the Egyptians turned towards the Hebrew God and believed in Him, they were protected from the plagues - it’s so subtle, but it’s so cool that they included it. This is honestly one of my favourite movies of all time.
That so interesting, I always took that as a young brother and sister and the reason they were spared is because of their innocence. I love all the layers of interpretation in this movie.
@@ranga1cat I always thought it was a brother and sister too, spared for their innocence.
Innocence was not a factor that spared people from the plagues (the biggest example being the final plague)
I assumed that the boils was a sickness (like chikenpox) and that they just hadn't gotten the sickness yet.
@@Anurepa Woof. Ain't that the truth
When you're reading to bible it's sometimes easy to forget that these were actual human beings with human emotions. This movie shows that wonderfully.
also reading the book of lamentations would even tell you that! The bible isn't a bed time story or a fable but actually a compilation of divinely orchestrated historical accounts written in stone tablets to pass onto the next generations to come
Even Jesus was shown to have emotions. He got angry, he cried, he had fear.
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 Some people, including people I know, have had trouble reconciling with this. I believe it's why "Jesus Christ: Superstar" isn't exactly embraced warmly in certain circles. (2/6/2022)
When reading the Bible you should know it's propaganda to make people hate and kill. This is not who Ancient Egyptians were. The Hebrews wrote things to make themselves into victims surviving terrible things but none of it is true. They were the aggressors murdering people and cultures. The philestines are thought of as stupid brutes but in reality through real science and ignoring the horrid Bible we have learned they were artists, philosophers, had laws, defended their people from warmongering chosen people that thought a God said they are the only ones who get to live.
The movie itself is highly un-biblically accurate but what you're saying makes sense.
I don’t know if it’s in the extended cut, but an important part that you guys didn’t really cover is Moses’ time in the desert. The song “Heaven’s Eyes” is a beautiful lesson in forgiving yourself and measuring your worth not by what you are or where you come from, but who you are and what you do with your life.
That's my favorite song throughout the entire movie! I love how easy to understand it is (especially since I watched this at a very young age), but they do it in both a fun and beautiful way. ❤
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No the message of the song is that humans have innate value that you can't measure by material things- what they own, what they build/create, what they gain, what they give away. The message is to try and not look at your life through a human perspective, but through God's perspective.
The song is trying to say that everyone's life has meaning regardless of what they do.
The Prince of Egypt is a great example of how simply retelling a biblical story in a nice cinematic way it is so much more powerful in its message, than when they try to force a literal come-to-Jesus-Moment down peoples throats.
ur right, just like with any kind of story. I will happily watch a movie inspired by something I might not agree with.
But when a movie tries to spread propaganda, people instantly recognize it. Many studios have a problem understanding that, not just religious groups.
I believe this movie turned out so good because it was a serious passion project, not something with an agenda.
"Its not preachy"
Me as a Christian: YES!! Christian producers, do more of THIS
Yeah. If people want to make film adaptations of a part from the Bible, they should focus on the characters in the story. That's what gets people invested in movies & shows - it's the story.
“A Christian shoemaker dose his duty not by putting little crosses on shoes, But by making good shoes, Because God is interested in good craftsmanship”
-Martin Luther
This was actually supposedly made with Judaic (non-christian) sources in mind.
@@OriSnori Christians are branched off of Judaism, and this is an Old Testament story, both Jews and Christians believe in the Old Testament. What makes Christians different is that they believe in the New Testament and that Jesus was the Savior. So this movie was made with both in mind, because it’s a story both of them know
YEA
I think it was a Nostalgia Critic video, where he was comparing The Prince of Egypt to The Ten Commandments.... But he made a point that I've always loved, and that certainly made The Prince of Egypt the better movie (imo). Most other times this story is told they conveniently forget that Moses and Rameses are brothers. They come into the second half of the story and it's instantly that they are enemies, this one doesn't do that, yes, they become enemies, but this movie remembers to show that they are brothers, and that they still think of each other as brothers, they still love each other and it makes everything so much harder on both of them.
Very smart way of adapting the ancient story, definitely.
What's better is that the movie gives Ramses a good reason for being the adversary of Moses instead of just "I wanna keep my slaves", like how they usually portray the Pharaoh: It's when Ramses tells Seti "One collapsed temple doesn't destroy years of tradition". The reply Seti gives his son, the Prince of Egypt, clearly sticks to him: "One weak link can ruin a dynasty". I may be paraphrasing, of course.
@@vinniy32 Yeah, he wanted to make his father proud, and also uphold what he was raised to believe was a mighty heritage. There is certainly something to be learned there, about how we need to learn to take a step back and learn when not to follow our parents' footsteps.
@@serenityelizabeth8994 I always pitied Ramses more. Both brothers are confronted with harsh realities but, as is pointed out, Ramses doesn't have anyone other than Moses who just loves and accepts him as a human being. He acts like a jerk, yeah, but he's raised to be "The One" while Moses the Egyptian can just play the sidekick and do whatever. There's resentment that Moses "ran" and left Ramses to bear the burden of being heir to a god on his own. Ramses has to endure the plagues and lose his firstborn. He changes his mind about giving up the Hebrews but then has his army wiped out. Even at the very end he's crying out for his enemy, his brother, the only friend he ever had.
@@vinniy32 in the old testament it's god that make ramses stubborn I think. "he made his heart harder". The animated movie is better imo. They indeed, give him a true reason to not let go.
I love the scene where Moses looks out the window and sees the slaves suffering but when he asks Rameses to look out the window the slaves are not there because Rameses doesn't see them. It was a great way to visually represent their different perspectives.
They also did a fantastic job showing how much it pains Moses to have to carry out the plagues against the Egyptians. Like after the last plague, when Moses leaves the palace after Rameses tells him his people may go, he collapses against a wall because he is so overwhelmed by the weight of the pain and suffering caused by the plagues.
I also find it interesting that Rameses fear of being the weak link causes him to be the weak link.
"Just because you love somebody doesn't mean you need to have them in your life"
Damn. I wish I could have heard this at the time I needed it most, but I still need to be reminded all the same.
And something I've had to learn, somewhat similar to this: Just because someone is in your life, doesn't mean you have to love them.
I don't know... the Passover scene always hurt me as a kid. Even now. Like, as a Catholic, I always just felt bad about these kids, innocents, dying because of what? Some adult stuff? Their lives cut short for things they, most likely, didn't understand? It's a haunting, sad, but very painful scene to me...
Biblical God was a lot more brutal than the one many of us recognize from pop culture Christianity
Same. It made me question my faith.
We, as Humans, cant try to understand Gods plans. If weve understood that we are his creation, we have to always remember that Gods plans are above ours
@@lauramena2121 While it is true that we do not know His plans, that doesn't take away that there is real hurt and pain for all these families. In the Bible, it's contextualized in that every Egyptian heard that the Israelites wanted to go, and by that point was begging Pharoah to let them. With that, it points to "Blame Pharoah's hard-heartedness for your problem." As anyone who has dealt with true suffering knows, it doesn't always work like that. After all, this "kind, loving God" the Israelites are talking about gave them all these plagues, all these horrors that had long-last effects (a severe famine being among them). It's important to acknowledge that there is that other perspective, as "God's Plans" can be seen as a very dismissive attitude, especially during Real Suffering and Loss.
@@TsukiKatana practicing Christian here and I fully agree with this. While it is a comfort to me to believe that God works suffering into meaning and big-picture-purpose beyond my understanding, it doesnt change the depth of hurt and utter bewilderment I have experienced at times. There is real doubt to be wrestled with alongside suffering; namely questions of God's goodness and his greatness. The irony is that even the "right answers" feel sort of hollow in the midst of suffering. I think what I am needing most in those moments is connection-with God and people-than the right answers. I kinda just need someone to hurt with me first and reassure my faith later.
Hearing "just because you love someone does not mean you have to have them in your life" broke something in me.
In a good way?
I feel these words so deeply. I got betrayed by a loved one... that I cherished since I was a child. That betrayal burnt my heart for last 2 years but I finally decided to move on. He is still unapologetic... but what can I do? May be I still adore him & it still hurts me but he no longer has a place in my life. He is too selfish & ignorant to even realize the damage he caused. So yeah... "just because you love someone does not mean you have to have them in your life". Painful but true.
@@lily_lotus_queen True. You can love and still be a logical person.
Moses parting the Red Sea is honestly one of the most incredible, moving pieces of film ever. The animation, the music, the emotion, my goodness.
The image of Rameses’ son between the crocodiles on the wall is such a fabulous bit of foreshadowing and it makes me weep every time whilst sending chills throughout my body.
I don't get it
Also when Moses is in the middle shows how hard and heavy this realization has hit him.
Crocodiles were deadly predators in Egypt. They represented death. That’s where the image of Ramses ‘s son between the crocodiles on the wall was accurate foreshadowing.
@@fleetskipper1810 And when Moses was leaning against those hieroglyphics earlier, it symbolized the death of who he used to be. (7/24/2022)
@@cancerstreaming894 basically, the “camera” pans to the painting of the killing of the Hebrew children behind them. first to the old pharaoh, who points to the guards, who drop babies into the river with crocodiles, but instead of going down to the usual blank spot between the crocodiles, you see that Ramses’ son has taken his place. Then it pans away, and you see the full scene, the painting, instead of being that of the first Hebrew children genocide, has Ramses’ son as the centerpiece, the one thrown to the crocodiles to die.
The part about separating apart from someone because of views hits home, because me and my best friend of all my life stopped being as close because I became agonistic and he continued to be Christian. We don’t hate each other, we still have love for each other but that riff just changed our relationship from being super close to being more apart.
Damn that’s really sad, I hope you two can become close again one day
Same thing happened with my childhood friend. Except idk her beliefs as of right now and I don’t practice much of mine since I got confirmed. We grew apart after she went through a hard family matter, we both made new friends and never had classes together. But it didn’t end in a fight like another friendship I had. We just drifted apart.
Same thing here. I'm now agnostic, but her faith is stronger than ever. It's hard.
@@bugboi3014 thanks! Honestly sometimes some people just stray apart, but yeah I would be nice if we could be close again.
I'm Christian and I have some friends who are Christian some aren't. One of my non Christian friends respect my religion and others and I respect her sexual preferences but my other friend wasn't respecting my religion and people who were straight. It kind of hurt because my friends and I were there for them when they told us they were non binary. I hope your friendship works out. It's really sad when good friends grow apart.
My mom is a fixer... but she's the kind of fixer that tries to guess what the problem is while you're talking. So you'll be trying to talk about a problem you had at work, and she'll constantly interrupt you, to give you advice that doesn't help/have anything to do with what the problem was.
Meaning not only do you not felt heard after the conversation is over, but most of the time you're actually more frustrated than you were before talking to her.
I hear you, and it truly is very frustrating when that happens, I kind of want to show this vid to the fixers in my life now. Might open the door to some true conversations or to some paradigm shift
I’m a “fixer” but I just listen most of the time bc my mom would get into fights with my older sister and ask me what was wrong with the situation. I was young and had to take that role. It was stressful and I wish she respected me. She acts like I have no rights even though I turned 18 a few months ago. Makes me feel like I can’t do anything on my own. Still can’t really go on walks without someone with me. I haven’t asked in a while though.
@@nightowl_ I'm so sorry you've had that put on you. Many of us have to grow up to soon, in various ways. But it doesn't have to be a defining/limiting characteristic; at 39 I'm still working through some of my own parental baggage but I don't think any of my colleagues/acquaintances would know about it, only friends who I've trusted with details, or who have known me forever. It may still pop up occasionally, but it doesn't rule my life or my actions/decisions. You sound really self-aware and emotionally intelligent, so you've got a great foundation to build on and I bet you'll overcome and grow in wonderful and maybe unexpected ways. We can be so much more than our past/previous experience and I have confidence that you will find your way. Hope and solidarity to you on that journey xx
(sorry if any of that sounds condescending, it isn't meant to be, but it can be so hard to communicate fully via text! 😳)
This is so my mom. Love her to death but arg! If I'm really, really patient I can get her to listen eventually, but it's not usually worth it. Thankfully my dad's much better at listening. It's funny, because fixing the problem instead of just listening is generally a male/female trait, and having learned most of my communication skills from my dad and having only brothers, I'm still more of a fixer than most females I know. I will sometimes stop in the middle of a conversation and say "Oh wait, you just wanted sympathy didn't you?" and the answer is always "Yes."
@@nightowl_ I had a similar situation. In the end I had to just move out and stop letting them into any part of my life they attempted to control. Only after living on my own for a few years and not dying did they start to think I might be an adult. My parent's aren't bad people, they just didn't recognize that I wasn't a kid anymore despite all evidence to the contrary. My younger brothers didn't have it any better. It's frustrating, but it can get better.
11:39 i never noticed this before but moses looks so uncomfortable being in these halls, when this was his playing ground where he grew up and had happy memories with Rameses. Such a cool little detail to emphasize that he really doesn't belong in this world anymoreand could never go back
“Hatred comes from love.”
This reminds me of a quote-“the opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.” Hatred is passionate, as it love. They’re both strong emotions centered around a person or group. Indifference is the lack of passion, of attention, of focus.
Whether people smother you in hugs and love, or yelled at in rage, they’re focusing on you. But by being indifferent, they ignore your humanity, your existence. They deny you any power. That’s why indifference hurts so much; rather than rooted in a facet of your existence, it’s based upon the person ignoring you, not you.
I do not think that’s true indifference is the lack of emotion more the middle like black and white would be love and hate but gray would be indifference the middle. You do not feel at all at indifference it just is where as hate and love are so powerful wars have been fought lives won and lost over those emotions. Indifference is not caring no ones fighting or caring in this emotion
@@rachelcrawford1977
Huh, good point. Well said.
In "The Reader" a young man tries to get his lover's attention but she ignores him. Later she tells him something along the lines of "you weren't worth my attention" and that scene has stayed with me as proof of how strong a lack of attention can be.
@@kiwin7119 Woah. That is quite an impactful line.
Green and pink are both colors
I'm a pagan & I love this movie. The animation alone is gorgeous
Same on both accounts. Honestly I feel like most people who have seen th8s movie love it regardless of their personal beliefs
Agreed! I’m not religious and this movie is still amazing to me. Anyone can appreciate when a story is told well 🔥
Same!
Same!
It's _stupid_ good.
"You can love someone but you don't need them in your life." That is fantastic advise that more people need to hear.
My husband and I adopted our twins (who are 20 years old) and my son at three would watch this movie and say, " Pharaoh adopted Moses, like you adopted us," So this movie has a speical place in my heart.
The intro of "When You Believe" just got me tearing up in an instant
SAME
same. Every time :)
Instant tear-maker
Even if kinda wasted on the potential god of Numbers 14, I guess...
That song gives me so much nostalgia!!
"You can love people, and still cut ties with them" and "Just because you love somebody, doesn't mean you need to have them in your life" really struck home with me. I've decided to cut ties with a family member because of years of toxicity and I've been accused of not loving this person either enough or not anymore- but that is simply not so. I love him dearly but I just can't have him in my life right now 😔
And that is completely valid, hope you're doing better after you put up these healthy boundaries for yourself 🤗❤️
FINALLY THE PRINCE OF EGYPT YES YES YES THE BEST ANIMATED MOVIE EVER
AGREEEEDDDDD
Facts
Faaacts
While I agree with you, Joseph King of Dreams doesn't get enough love
This atheist here agrees
The Prince of Egypt is easily one of the best animated movies ever made. The visuals are stunning, the actors hired to voice the characters is absolutely A-list, and the fact that the filmmakers were able to create a movie that is both faithful to the source material as well as appealing to non-believers is absolutely incredible. I know many people who do believe, and do not believe, and they all absolutely love this movie. I saw it in the cinema when it first released and I absolutely loved it. I still love it nearly 25 years later. I watch it a couple times a year and it always blows me away.
I always feel deeply when Moses is in the mud and says, "I didn't mean to cause you more pain. I was just trying to do what God told me."
I think to many think just because you believe and do gods will that suffering and pain just stops and it does not this shows even when doing gods will he lost his brother and the people he’s trying to save has brought greater harm. Life has ups and downs and with out the downs the good moments are not as pure. I love how it’s taught so simply in this scene he saw god it should be easy and it was anything but easy.
One thing I love about musicals is that you can do something like show 9 plagues in one song and not have it feel rushed. The music gives them all the weight and significance they deserve without having to spend 45 minutes showing each one.
Very good point
So there is a phrase that says "I don't want you to save me, I want you to stand beside me while I save myself"
And thats all I could think about while they were talking about "fix-it" people
The Passover scene is one of my favorite movie scenes and Alan broke it down so amazingly. The haunting ethereal music, the sound design, the look of the power of God. And when using headphones it sounds even more haunting and sometimes I even get goosebumps
Also the music is one other part the makes this movie so great. The music that plays when Rameses looks at Moses with hatred is one such example. As well as the song when the Hebrews are leaving Egypt.
Don’t forget that Islam is also based in Abrahamic tradition. We follow and love this story too. The prophet Moses (Mussa) is one of the most revered prophets and plays an incredibly important role in Islamic tradition as well.
This was always my favorite movie growing up. 🥰
islam 🤝 catholicism 🤝 judaism:
loving prince of egypt
@@paulasalazar2093 agnosticism 🤝 atheism
loving this movie
Salam aleykum! Preparing for ramadan?
I didn't know that but now I do!
Cool!
I have a theory that Abraham's first son born of the servant woman was the father of the people who would practice Islam. I am unfamiliar with the religion to know if there is any base for such a thing
You know, I think something that may have thrown Moses for a loop when returning to the palace was who the current Pharaoh was. He was prepared to deal with his father, the butcher, not his brother. I think that's part of what made his confidence waver initially. It was one thing to challenge his father who he had already broken from during his paradigm shift. It was another thing entirely to find someone he still loved deeply as his foe. Moses probably hated everything far more because it was Ramses not their father.
Damn that's actually something I didn't think about. I watched the movie for the first time yesterday, it's so great
One of my favorite scenes is when moses sees that his nephew has died and as he leaves he just collapses to the ground just crying. There is so much emotion in even the littlest scenes. This movie is beautiful.
23:35 that's the single moment I never forgot from this film. You pointed out something significant that the overblown heston epic missed: With Ramses not able to have friends, Moses is someone in his life who is closer than a brother. Everything that has happened has done far more than stab him in the heart, and perhaps the only way to alleviate that pain is to destroy the one who, in a sense murdered his brother (being Moses himself)
As a Christian, I am extremely happy with how respectful you both were of this movie and it's origins from the Bible and Torah. A lot of UA-camrs blatantly disrespect religious and cultural beliefs when reacting to movies, and it really makes me sad. Thank you so much for not only acknowledging this movie's origins but also for respecting the beauty of it, even if it does represent a religion that you might not agree with. ❤️🤗
They are Christians actually 😊, but you're right this kind of respectfull conversation is really rare
God bless
@@eugeniefohr8369 oh okay I'm really happy to hear that! God bless you too🤗❤️
@@eugeniefohr8369 wait for real?
@@ateenofnoculture5767 they’re members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or, as they’re more commonly know, mormons. Being from Utah, they’re some of the most open and chill members.
@@feliciaann721 ohhhhhhhhh ok ok. I didn't know that
Me: trying to pay attention
Also me: singing along to every song and hums every tune because I know this movie like the back of my hand.
I'm pronouncing every phrase)
Exactly.... i was doin the same....
*If you have the dvd and go to special features there’s a version of “When You Believe” sung in different languages all over the world!*
18:00 "The Plague" music number also further explored Mosses and Rameses fractured relationship where the former sang, "I wish that God has choose another / Serving your foe on his behalf was the last thing that I wanted."
I loved this movie. This was indeed a humanized telling of the Story of Mosses. It does hit home for me due to not having the best upbringing, but that's here or there. In a way, it's a family movie that shows situations that some families deal with everyday, but also focus on forgiveness, redemption and making heart-breaking choices.
This is a great deep dive from a therapist and filmmakers perspective.
When I was little, I focused on the relationship of the two brothers and was amazed by it. Now, as a first-time mother, I saw it and related/focused on both Queen Tuya and Yocheved...their sacrifice to take care of Moses despite everything around them... also, the pain that Ramses must've felt when his son died... I kind of understand his anger and rage... a very powerful and different movie for me now as an adult... (still awesome)
As a Christian, I really wish we had more movies like this that can tell a beautiful story, without being preachy, like most of "christian entertainment”. It’s faith building for me, and it’s a masterpiece for everyone.
And the humanity shown feels so nice! In the bible it's kinda hard for me to Imagine the people having emotions. But here it's shown so naturally, and i love it!
As a Christian myself I watch this film every year on Passover, I love it so much I wish more Christian movies were this good!
As a christian myself as well, I absolutely love and adore this film!
a compelling story with great artistic merit and not just preachy propaganda, unlike certain other Christian movies
* * cough cough - - God's Not Dead - - cough cough * *
I honestly recommend another Disney christian movie called Joseph the king of dreams and every time I see it I feel like it really is made by the same people same kind of drawing of characters
I love this movie, have since I was a child. As an adult I appreciate the depth more, and can really see the moral messages. The song "Through Heaven's Eyes" means more to me now than it ever did as a child.
I love that song too!!
Omg, yes, it brings me to actual literal tears everytime.
I rediscovered this movie some days a go, and that song made me cry of happiness. I’m not religious, but I love the message of that song♥️
I want to have though you'll never know all the steps you must learn to join the dance tattooed on my body somewhere because this song has made such a great impact in my life
Saame.
When me or my partner are upset we ask each other if they want solutions or sympathy. That way we can avoid rushing in to fix a problem when the other person just wants a shoulder to cry on.
that is so wise and I will take that into account, thank you :)
I wish I could try that!
I agree that this is one of the few Bible movies where the characters feel human. In almost every other Moses adaptation, we don’t see a relationship between Moses and Ramses. They’re just always enemies from the get go. But here, they actually act like brothers, and it’s one of the many reasons why I adore this movie to pieces. ❤️
if you read the bible (especially lamentations) you can see other countless stories like this of normal human struggles like as portrayed in this film as well! The bible isn't just to "preach" or force a message on people...but to perhaps change one's thinking on things
I'm Catholic, and my best friends are Hindu, Lutheran, and athiest. We all adore this movie. Personally, it's one of my all time favorites!
As a Muslim, my Grandfather brought me this movie at a very young age, along with Lion King. While he was a religious man, he was more towards the spiritual side, stating that religion was NOTHING without being a decent human first. May he Rest In Peace.
@@shadmanhasan4205 Strange, This film is banned in some country where the population is predominantly Muslim.
@@markeyiszra I guess it's because of the rule among fellow Muslims (Especially us Sunni) that we shouldn't assume how prophets looked like (lots of Shi'te mosques actually give Mohammad(SWAS) a physical aspect with a face.
But to be fairly honest bro... as a Muslim myself I feel pity for those countries that actually banned this fabulous movie. This was a fantastic art that signified "Humanity" instead of "Religion".
@@shadmanhasan4205 ouch. I mean yeah thats a rule but honestly "moses" in this movie looks alot like a regular dude from the time
@@shadmanhasan4205 Your Grandfather sounds like a wise man. May he Rest In Peace and may you have a good life.
The reunion of Ramses and Moses is sad because we know it's going to end badly but the most heart-wrenching, soul crushing moment in this movie is after they argue and Moses can see there will be no compromise, he takes the ring Ramses gave him off and places it next to Ramses before leaving. Its so final, the choice is made and it can't be undone without someone having to hurt