Therapist Reacts to Implicit Bias in ZOOTOPIA
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2020
- Disney’s Zootopia is a story of learning to overcome implicit bias, prejudices, and stereotypes.
Judy Hopps is a good-hearted, open-minded bunny who rejects her parents’ and others’ prejudices. But working with sly fox Nick Wilde, she discovers she still has implicit biases she has to overcome.
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright walk through her journey and how you too can work on getting rid of implicit bias. They also take a look at apologies and forgiveness in our relationships, how others' expectations can impact us, and the power of learning from other people's experiences and perspectives.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright & Alan Seawright
Edited by: Alan Seawright
Director of Photography: Bradley Olsen
Russian Transcription by: Alena Petriaeva - Фільми й анімація
“Go back to the forest!” “I’m from the Savanna!”
I think immigrants could relate to this.
I can relate to this. There was this one time I was told to go back to Africa (I also look Somali, so that could tie into it, but still) but I'm 3rd generation Jamaican like??? Where .... when... why... in what world... who told you to... did you think this was okay???
@Milk & Cookies Even if they were the ones "starting" it, virus mutations happen, It's only natural for disseses to hit populations, and now that we are all so connected it's hard to contain people in a place. I mean, you don't blame the guy that got sick and got you sick, right?
I felt that. I’ve been told to “go back to Mexico” but I’m not Mexican. I’m Puerto Rican
My personal favorite is someone shouting "go back to Mexico!" To me. I'm native american lmaooo
Every time some idiot tells you to "go back to your country." Yeah I was born in this state. This is my country. Why don't you go back to yours?
I just realized that that when the pig told the cheetah to go back to the forest, it had the same energy as telling someone from Asia to go back to China,Japan or India.
Damn, dudes, thanks for the likes, I didn't expect this to blow up.
And it's somewhere that isn't any of those, but have similar-looking people
@@revimfadli4666 True
So true!
I also just noticed that the person who told them that was a pig :)
@@revimfadli4666 I don't know what you mean...?
I love the fact that Alan cries so openly, it needs to be applauded for how normal it is.
🥲🙏😂
😊☺️😇 💛 🙂☺️🤧🥲
him: toxic masculinity? nah nah nah, HEALTHY POSITIVE MASCULINITY
100% I'm glad to see I'm not the only one.
When giants cry it can rain.
it does NOT need to be applauded
i have always been so struck by the moment where Judy says "youre not like them!" and he replies, "oh, there's a *them* now?"
thats very heavy and real and completely encapsulates the whole movie's thesis.
Honestly, as a kid I remember feeling that moment was really.. cringey? So yeah looking back on it I definitely had some stuff to work out 😭
Omg so that's why "oh wow you're autistic? I couldn't tell!" Feels like such a backhanded compliment
Exactly, it's basically saying "wow, you don't fit into my stereotyped idea of what someone who's autistic is, I'm impressed".
it’s sad that people feel the need to say that😔
It's like saying "Wow, you're strong for a woman" or "You came from this poor part of town and you're in college. Good for you!" It's a backhanded compliment implying that what you are doing is the exception to the rule of your skin color, class, and so on.
@@ZudaFizz yeah, though from what I’ve seen people have stronger stereotypes to autism and other mental irregularities than is realistic. I mean, to an extent their right(sometimes) but the extreme is what gets talked about and therefore expected.
Yeah... I get that as a trans woman frequently. "oh, you're trans? Wow, I couldn't even tell!"
What makes it worse is that I can't shake off that there's an unspoken end to the sentence they're not saying (I couldn't even tell... That you're not a real woman)
“Go back to the forest, predator”
“I’m from the savannah”
This scene reminds me of the amount of times I’ve been told “go back to China” or other racist names/phrases. I’m not even Chinese, but it doesn’t even matter because it is no excuse to be racist, it’s still sinophobic whether i’m Chinese or not because they had the intention and it is disgusting.
@Areum god I hate colourism
The 'casual' racism of Australia isn't so casual. Deeply angry and distressed at my nation and sorry for the hurt done to you.
@@classicambo9781 people see Australia as so much better than America but it’s barely better; we just have better gun control and we handled the pandemic better. The racism here is so bad, a black person was recently shot to death in Brisbane by the police - but don’t apologise because it’s not your fault unless you’ve done it yourself
I’m Korean, but I was born and raised in America. It really hurts when people say “Ching Chong” or “Go back to China”. I also have Russian friends and German friends, and everyone keeps referring to them as communists and nazis.
Not that for immigrants it isn't their country, bc of course it is, but when people are trying to insult me by saying this, they are insinuating I'm not a citizen even though Puerto Ricans are citizens of the US.
Fun fact: When investigating Nick Wilde for the first time when he walks into the Ice Cream Shop, she jaywalks across the street. This is not something she normally does. When giving out tickets, she never jaywalks, as she has a deep respect for the law, but this one time seems to be an exception.
Was that intentional may I ask?
@@joshcoy6748 probably, given the theme of the movie, but could be accidental
@@Tuntor689 I see.
@@joshcoy6748 A reference to how it's okay for her to skirt the law because she's a bunny who's typically the victim. Whereas the fox was definitely looking shifty so if anything, most people would agree that fox was up to no good and put more scrutiny on him. Most would forget about chastising the bunny at all.
@@wesleywallace4426 I see.
I just noticed the reaction of the predator reporters in the news conference scene. All of them immediately go defensive, ears back, and nervously looking around them. Subtle, but effective to show the instant ripple effect of her statement.
And their visible annoyance, too! Love this detail.
I didn't catch that. Nice! :D
Great catch!
Yeah. This is the very moment Judy screwed it up and put Zootopia into crisis.
And one of them is a hippo, literally the most dangerous animal on the planet that isn't a predator. 😂
I love how the case is solved because Judy's parents, quietly in the background, resolved their own prejudices and started working with a fox.
That’s actually a really cool point
Not just a fox, but Judy’s childhood bully, meaning that he probably went to apologize to them as well.
Perhaps not fully solved, however. There could still be implicit bias.
@@jazzyangelflower3344 well, sure. But, you're not going to be able to take a vocally active racist and completely remove their racial bias overnight. That takes time and often isn't really possible to completely rid it. But, this was a Disney movie, so of course it solved itself in the blink of an eye. That's what Disney does, condensing complicated problems and their solutions down so far that it seems like magic, without really going into detail on how that problem really should be solved.
@@amokriinprolgiid3409 Exactly, change isn't instantaneous, especially something that was rooted in your entire life. You have to recognise what needs to be changed and make an constant effort to change, which Judy's parents are currently doing and since it's rewarding them (gaining a business partner), they will likely keep making that effort.
Two bros chilling in a video five feet apart so the dog can have a nice place to snooze between them
Chewie does love to nap during filming, haha!
I understood that reference @Cassiopeia 😜
What a lovely reference
@@rivermistfae We all do lol
aww
I love Judy's growth, she started out with the "I don't see color" mindset until she enters Zootopia where bunnies aren't the majority and it exposed how very small minded she was until she was properly educated by a friend outside of her race. Something I wish I could see more often in real life.
I love how much the left-wing racists have convinced people that being color blind is racist. Absolutely insane.
17:11 really hits home. I am a flamboyant dude and since middle school lots of people just assumed that because I was flamboyant I was gay, despite my protestations. Eventually I just ended up acting “gay” because that’s what they expect. It felt awful that nobody believed me, even when they were like “it’s okay we won’t judge you for being gay”
I was a bad student (ADD + depression + parental issues makes school hard). After a certain point i just gave up. The reason i graduated highschool was cuz i wasn't allowed to not graduate and (more importantly) mu best friend believed in me. She told me all the time that I was smart and knowledgeable but that my situation sucked. And that I'd do better when we got out. When i would have control over my circumstances (we both thought college was the answer cuz that was what we were taught).
But i had a fee classes i gave up on because i was told i wasn't good enough so i just didnt put the effort in. Why try when you are only going to fail? Might as well put the effort in somewhere else (like not giving up entirely)
Don't worry, if people are so involved in your sexuality, they probably questioning their's, and aren't feeling confident, and projecting their insecurities on you. But if you're expressing yourself in the most honest way, and if you're cool with it, then just ignore those people. (I know easier said than done.) Also even if you were gay and told them, they would not stop pestering you anyways. I speak from experience in that one. Anyways, just don't let it get to you, and continue to shine.
A lot of people (mostly my friends) assume my dad is bisexual, because he acts a bit flamboyant too.
He’s straight, he’s just secure enough in his sexuality and masculinity to be himself. Keep being you.
They won't judge you for being gay and yet they keep calling you gay and we're assuming you were gay what's up with that..
I hate how simple things like being flamboyant can cause people to make assumptions like that these days... Like why do people read into things so much? Why can't people just be themselves and not have to worry about random stereotypes influencing their lives? :(
Didn't even touch on the fact that the real villain the whole time was the most innocent seeming animal of them all. No matter how "good" or "nonviolent" they seem to be, anyone has the capability of being a terrible person.
Liking so everyone can see this
Her reasoning was based on her personal experiences but her nefarious actions played on the implicit bias of her society. I would be interested in an entire video in the villain dynamic in this movie. Her "nemesis" is her direct "superior" in every way. She's fascinating.
Anyone's capable of great good and great evil. Everyone, even the Fire Lord and the Fire Nation have to be treated like they're worth giving a chance
@@camila-mz3koAfter all, that is how we got the United Republic of Nations in TLOK.
Because it'd mean that BurnLootMurder could also have some terrible people. And frankly, the presenters seem way too PC to even acknowledge that it could be possible.
I think part of the reason why Judy feels that she cannot be biased is the fact that she actively fights against a bias herself as to what bunnies are capable of. It is particularly easy to feel that as a victim you are incapable of also being a perpetrator.
It encapsulates why there are discussions about white woman feminism. White women can fight sexism as victims of it, but women of color are dealing with sexism and racism and in unique combinations, which white women are not immune from participating in and exacerbating just because they experience a little piece of that all.
You described the Twitter community
That's also an issue that many PoC have is that they think that "because I'm a minority in a white world, I can't be biased"
The best example is when black people say "black people can't be racist", which Aba and Preach have already done videos on
Dang this comment really understood that
@@ladynoluck this is why intersectional feminism is really important!
Worked at Fast Food a while ago, and some customer was being REALLY dumb.
My manager at the time, is Native American. So when this customer says "Go back to your country!" I actually had to hold back a laugh.
Bro this is his country
But it's still sad that just the skin tone was enough to make that man think less of someone else.
Like bruh we need to talk about the natives
I would've loved it if your manager had said "This neighborhood used to be nice before the white people moved in."
The irony of people who say that; "Go back to your country" at the natives. It's vindictive as fuck.
that customer failed history
I'm mad at this customer now and I don't even know them
I DO find it ironic that Judy was a victim of bias, herself, when she was a child....she wanted to break the norm and be a police officer, because she believed the mantra that "anyone can be anything." Her parents scoffed at this notion and said "no, you just need to be a bunny. Be a carrot farmer. Settle for what is safe and comfortable. And even when she gets to the police academy, the polar bear instructor ALSO says ""Just QUIT....you are not worthy of this. Give up." but she is determined to fulfill her childhood dream of being a police officer, and eventually, through hard work and perseverance, she achieves this dream. She breaks the bias, so to speak. But then, Judy meets Nick, and because of her upbringing and life experiences, she INSTANTLY does not trust Nick because he is a fox, and she has been raised to believe that foxes are untrustworthy and malicious and bad. And she even eventually starts to trust Nick and they become friends....and she's even willing to consider Nick as her new partner. But then, when she falls back into the implicit bias, Nick calls her out on this....and I respect Judy because not only is she willing to consider that her personal beliefs are wrong (i.e. when she thought it was the wolves who were Night Howlers and it turned out to be toxic flowers making the animals go savage) she is willing to sincerely apologize to Nick and admit that she was wrong. She was willing to take responsibility for her mistakes and make them right.
I would have said she was going after nick because he acted suspicious
Yes! Amazing point! Judy is part of that spectrum too!
@@soirema Thank you. :) And thank you again, for commenting....I was looking for this comment the other day to incorporate into my film critique of this movie and I couldn't find it. Responding to your comment helped me find it and now, my article will be stronger.
@@wubbsy when judy meets nick, he's just walking to the ice cream shop. what gets judy's attention is nick almost getting ran over by a truck, which isn't even nick's fault, as the truck seems to be coming out of a back alley (which judy doesn't notice). the one driving the truck is actually one of the rams involved in bellwether's scheme, and he was actually acting more suspicious than nick in that moment.
I think it shows that members of minority groups also have implicit bias, it’s not just majority groups. Just because you experience discrimination yourself doesn’t mean you aren’t discriminating against others in a way you don’t realize.
"Her nose is twitching, she IS scared" - Bully weasel
And her nose twitches when she sees Nick for the first time, too at 2:03.
Oh dang I didn’t even notice that
O.o
Huh, good eye.
Damn
The weasels name was Travis
I really appreciate that they show Nick in this film as the stereotypical fox to begin with. It shows that “yes maybe you met a minority who fits the negative stereotype but that doesn’t mean that’s evidence that it was alright for you to have that assumption about them in the first place” Sometimes media focuses too much on “this person breaks the mold of their stereotype” which is Problematic because it’s still suggest the stereotype is true, it’s just this one person is an exception. Nick also shows that people can act like stereotypes due to feeling like they have no other choice, which provides people with “evidence” to their discrimination and thus more stereotypes and then the cycle continues.
Also, plenty of ethnicities act like that stereotype; yet they are excused due to their skin color. When someone who's not a minority does something criminal, he or she "made a mistake". When a minority does it, he or she "is a criminal". There is a distinct difference between those two labels.
@@misspriss2482 Exactly, I know plenty of people who are assholes but them being assholes has nothing to do with their race, gender or sexuality. Shitty human beings are shitty human beings. If you only look for patterns in minority groups then you’ll only find patterns in minority groups, in reality there’s negative traits in all people that’s just how it is.
I also feel like the "you're not like them" trope is much more damaging than just the separation of the "minority model predator" versus the "majority problematic predator." Not only does it separate a whole based off of its "good" and "bad" parts, but the existence of this "model predator" also reinforces the concept that civility and success can be attained (however easily or difficultly) and that those that do not end up becoming the model predator are really choosing to conduct themselves in the ways that they do, even if society, economic imbalances, and displacements of power are really what's to blame. Glorifying the individual for "defying the status quo" further reinforces bias and essentially blames the other party for their misfortunes, which I believe to be ultimately much more cruel.
theres also the fact that stereotypes come from somewhere, so at least a few people are bound to fit them. Theres also the idea that some stereotypes apply to most people in general. In the end, people shouldnt expect people to be stereotypes, cause they might or might not fit them
“The mark of a good apology is less about, he’s crying again”
I love sentence like these that get cut off and flow into others 😂😂
Hey, flash, you wanna hear a joke?
I loved that, during the big reveal, it's the villain is this meek little sheep. You as the viewer are implicitly put in this 3rd person perspective, you're above the petty biases of these dumb animals. And then, in a brilliant moment, the frame of this twist says that YOU are just as susceptible. Teaches you that you need to work on yourself, no matter who you are.
"A real articulate fella"
Is the equivalent to
"You don't sound like a black person"
....
So true
I've gotten that comment so much! Along with, "You don't (Why don't you) talk/act black.(?)" I just kinda sit there, cause I never know what to say-
Reminds me of how someone got mad that a certain character from this one anime "didn't sound black", but what they didn't know was that THE VOICE ACTOR WAS BLACK.
I get that comment too, but the weird thing is, even black people say I don't talk/ act black. It weirds me out cuz I'm just like "how do you talk/act like a black person?"
@@camakathekilla2347 EXACTLY! Like what does "talking black" even sound like? And how do you "act black"? Like a person is a person. You can't predict or justify a persons actions or words based on race. The concept of acting/ talking "black" doesn't even make any sense.
I don't why but when that pig told the cheetah "Go back to the forest" and she goes "I'm from the Savanah!" I just started crying. That ignorant hate just hit me a little too close to home.
same I just got flashbacks to when I get told to go back to Mexico. even as a kid when I first watched this I still got sad hearing that
@@jemariaw it really sucks. the first time I got told that, i had a breakdown. now I've been told it lot, being in the south, so I can just joke about it, but it still kinda hurts
I’m so sorry that you both had to go through that!! 💜 This world these days 😩🙈
Its so discouraging to hear the hate AND ignorance rolled into one, the dismissal of my right to be here AND the erasure of the culture that shaped my existence. I remind people someone in your line came here for the same reason as us all so be grateful to them. Otherwise, sit and spin on it.
Being from Oklahoma I’ve seen a Native American being told go back to Mexico. I was so happy when they said “go back to Europe and give Me my land back.”
As a woman with an obvious disability (I use a power wheelchair), I have also gotten the "you are so articulate" "compliment" so many times, or people are surprised that I have 2 Masters degrees. It was worse when I was in middle and high school when I was literally treated like a young child because people just assumed I had an intellectual disability, so I think it's slowly getting better. However, I guess my only criticism is that many times when diversity and especially bias are discussed, disability seems to be the last group included in the discussion if at all. That being said, as also a white person raised in a progressive household, I'm sure that I've been guilty of similar microaggressions, and my friends probably did what I did and let it slide because everyone hates conflict and confrontation.
Steven Hawking 2.0
@@-Scrapper- LOL, thanks!
Having two masters degree in general is a surprising thing that you should be proud of. By your comment, it almost sounds as if people should not react to someone having two masters degree as something impressive.
Though, I guess it all depends on the level of "impressed" they are and how much of a "and you did all that in a wheelchair too!" they add
@@androkguz Thanks, that's a good point. It does depend on the tone, although I could also be reading too much into the tone, misinterpreting being impressed as surprised.
I’ve also been subject to something similar myself, though not for a disability. Let’s just say that where I’m from, I’m from a non-visible minority that’s disliked heavily throughout the country. To the point that some people, to my face, were complaining about said group KNOWING I was part of that group and went “Don’t worry, you’re one of the good ones.”, and kept going. That. That comment was more insulting than all the “backwards, dumb, racist, and uneducated” thrown my group’s way.
As a 25 year old black man and my parents having to sit me down at 15 and explain that people will look at you differently when Trayvon Martin was killed I want to thank you guys.
What's scary about this movie and their take on it is that it made me realize that I actually do have implicit bias against African American males, more specifically when they raise their voices. I had a pretty scary experience during a paintball game one day due to a big misunderstanding, and two African American males were the perpetrators. They were permanently banned from the field, but I have more recently begun to realize that even though it happened long ago, it still affects me even today. Just recently two African American males working for DoorDash came in to the chinese restaurant I had placed a takeout order from, and when they started getting frustrated and muttering to themselves, I could feel my heart start to race, even though I wasn't in any danger at all!
It's as they said, biases are fed to you, layer by layer by layer, and in order to UNDO that, you can't just coast through your life thinking you've reached enlightenment because of x reason, you have to consciously work at it.
My biggest fear is that one day, I may unintentionally say something extremely harmful to someone, and I'll either lose their trust, or they'll end up getting mad enough to put me in a dangerous scenario.
What do you suggest I should do about this?
@@justalpha9138 hey heads up that no one owes you a course on how to be anti-racist, and unloading like this under a guy's comment who did not ask for questions is asking for some pretty big emotional work from someone who did not offer it. I'd suggest looking up UA-cam videos on How To Be Anti-Racist, they'll explain better than I can
"If we're going to give each other a seat at the table, we first have to recognize that there are people who aren't at the table, and stop buying into the myth that they're happy to not be at the table." I let out an audible woooah to that one. Very well said.
Thank you so much! Glad you're enjoying the show :)
Puerto Rico / Cuba
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D.C. Capitol
There's a line from Fine Print by The Stupendium that I think pairs nicely with that comment. "And you'll be grateful for seats at the table. though it dips at one end- and the bench is unstable." Bc although we must make sure everyone has a seat at the table, we also have to recognise whether or not everyone has equitable seats at the table.
@@Cxste11xn that's amazing
@@Cxste11xn great addition of depth!
Can we mention the beautiful line “Oh there’s a THEM now?” It’s perfect and shows his emotions and feelings wonderfully
Yes! And it definitely is very meaningful/symbolic as well.
Because of the whole "us vs. them" issue.
And the whole "you're one of the good ones" and "you're not like them"-- Muslims can relate to what Nick felt when he heard that.
When he says, "Oh, there is a THEM now??", he is essentially frustrated and angered by the fact that Judy is alienating pretty much all predators except for him because she has seen that he is a good guy.
And alienation is real and truly horrific, and he could feel the harm that it accompanies.
Also, someone below in the comments (I do not remember if it was their own comment or a reply they made to someone else's) stated that this sort of statement "is a jab at the group, not a compliment to the person". And I think that is exactly why "backhanded compliments" are really not compliments at all.
@@noorykorky5056 Thank you so much for this. When he said that line I really didn't understand what he meant and I was really curious to know what he meant. I mean.. it was a complement she gave him, why is he so mad? Now I get it. Thank you!
@@loongal Yeah it is pretty much like when in a romantic teenage lame drama the dude is like "you are different from all the other girls" and the film portrays it the same way too
Is like insulting your community and basically saying "you are not valid because of who you are inherently, you are valid because of this and that" basically "a part of you is wrong, but like, you overcame that part of you that is wrong" saying that in reality there is something that is not right with you, but that you have just gotten over it and "fixed yourself", but if you hadn't done it you would be like "them" you would be wrong, you would not be valid, just like the rest of "them" that have something inherently bad in "them"
@@unlimon6382 Yes yes! Couldn't say it better myself. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@loongal You're most welcome! ☺😊 I am glad I could help! It's mostly the fact that a lot of minority groups/communities have heard these backhanded "compliments" for so long that we are just kind of triggered by them quickly like he was. While it definitely seems like a compliment, the implications of it demonstrate the fact that it actually is an insult. But I'm glad I could be of service.😌 Sometimes it's hard to tell with these things, whether you are part of a minority group or not.
What makes a story about implicit bias told with animals so great is that it can be about ANY implicit bias: Bias because of race, sex, disability, sexual/romantic orientation, occupation, age, etc.
I just love to see Alan emotional!! It really is endearing, agree with Jon!! As someone who was repeatedly told not to cry as a child, I just find it refreshing to see someone that is not afraid to be vulnerable. Thanks guys!!!! 🤗
Crying is great! Your head may hurt for a bit, but it's good to let the emotions flow. 😄
So do I. If I have sons when I have kids I want them to know that it’s OK for them to cry if they need to and express there emotions. I have very little patience for macho culture.
One thing not mentioned!
The great thing about this movie is that there's more than one implicit bias playing throughout the film. Nick represents racism (being viewed as a predator, untrusted on sight), which is easy to see, and Judy represents sexism (breaking into a big-animal profession, being called cute), which can be a little more difficult to recognize. But you can really see it when Nick says there, "You bunnies, always so emotional." It may be that he's showing a bit of his own bias there, but I think personally that he does recognize the bias of the statement and is using it to tease her, possibly as a last, mocking little gentle jab because she hurt him with the same kind of thing.
True!! the message of this movie is intersectional. The anti-racism paradigm is what this video was mostly about, but the anti-sexism paradigm is very intricate and smartly represented as well. And crossing the two, we get the message that your being part of a discriminated community yourself does not mean you don't also have biases. I also think he was teasing her with the whole "you bunnies, always so emotional" thing, kind of like getting back at her in a non-harmful way to show that he truly will not be holding any grudge against her and that he truly accepted the apology. this movie is gold i swear
I took the cute part as how black people call eachother the n word as slang for eachother but if a white person says it to a black person its racist.
@@FandomObsessedArtist Yes! It's not only a poc thing, though. Gay people can call each other f** and other things, and women can call each other sl** and such as well. Affectionately using a slur within a group is often acceptable when someone outside the group using it is not.
@James Foreman I actually like the term "majority privilege" better. I was in a car accident which left me disabled, removing me from my ableist privilege. I didn't notice how much I benefited from just by being independent, more than I'd like to get into now; but just the way buildings and cities are constructed are aimed towards the majority ableist citizens, even though the disabled minority is the largest minority in America.
Since I wasn't born this way, I was able to see things from both perspectives and experience life both ways. It made it easier to identify problematic thought processes others had and don't realize.
Even now, I know that I still have privileges. I was privileged to go to university and be in honors college, I was privileged to have both parents married and in my life (until the car accident when my dad unfortunately passed away), I was privileged to live in a house that my family owned, etc. Some privileges aren't always majority, However. Take finances, for example. Our top 1% make more than the lower classes combined (I believe that's the statistic), so they're actually minority privileged in that sense. I do think that privilege in general is a complex topic that can make people uncomfortable, but I'm glad I saw your comment.
I didn't catch onto the sexism bit, but yeah! Makes sense. I feel enlightened.
And I agree on that last bit
A friend told me this once: “We may not consider ourselves to be racist or prejudice against people, but we are. Everyone has a slight prejudice against someone, you just don’t realize it.” It really made me think and consider what he said, and I completely understand what he meant.
Why does this not even have 100 likes yet? Your friend is smart lol I never even thought of that until I watched this video.
That’s pretty common sense, but statistics don’t lie.
Exactly! Whenever I realize I was prejudice against someone, I feel so bad and guilty that I'm tempted to apologize to said person. Even if they didn't know or it was years ago
Mistrust and generalization was a survival tactic...don't trust the cheeta or lion just because he is rolling around on his back in the sun...when he's hungry you will be on the menu. HOWEVER we also have a thinking and reaoning mind. We can separate someone's actions from their physical characteristics. A person who behaves badly is someone who behaves badly whatever he or she, may look like, or love, or worship. If we remember that we can change the world, I think.
“Everyone’s a little bit racist” - Avenue Q
This is such an interesting idea. I'm a half black, half white man that grew up in MS. The line between implicit and explicit racism can get blurry when people are actually taught explicit racism under the guise of implicit racism.
I've met a girl who genuinely believed black people shouldn't be allowed on money, but couldn't begin to express why she believed it so deeply because she was taught that her family's barely suppressed explicit racism was actually not racism at all since it wasn't explicit.
It's amazing how the human brain can rationalize.
People tend to seriously overlook this movie; for a movie about animals, it's incredibly human. More like this please, Disney.
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Zootopia was definitely inspired by fables. Fables were a way to teach human life lessons through stories with animal characters. Often, people were replaced by animals with a certain character. The reason fables were created, was because the authors didn't want to *start beef* with anyone they know and the danger of execution (we're still talking about ancient times here) because of offense taken from higher ranked citizens of a town or country (patricians, kings etc.) so they used animals instead.
_cough_
:points to desklamp:
Disney reads this and be like: Sure
Also Disney: **makes Frozen 2 but the plot is exaclty the same as the first one and nobody learns anything**
Actually, this film also is incredibly animal. Replace the animals with humans, and the plot won’t survive. The variety of the story with the animals is essential, but it’s still relatable. Win win
I’m glad they talked about the dangers of being “color blind”.
So no longer should we judge people by the content of their character. But by the color of their skin. Ok got it.
@@ramaya007 What they are saying is that their skin colour can contribute to their character. It is an unavoidable part of their background, personality and characteristics. Being "colour blind" disregards the struggles faced as a consequence of the prejudice against their skin colour.
@@KateSullivanVEVO You do know black people can come from money and white people can be poor right? I hope you see that you are advocating for blanket racism. People should be judged on merit and character. My skin color does not make me who I am. My actions do.
@Not Just Nonsense what is Feline Female is trying to say is that while of course the color of your skin should not warrant judgement, but the sad thing is that it does. So by being "color blind" and saying "we are all the same" sends a sort of invalidation towards people who have gone through struggles and prejudges just because of their skin color that some people just wouldn't be able to understand and probably never will. [hope that made sense :)]
@@cheyennec.2326 Thanks for explaining!
I used to think being "color blind" was what we should strive for, but now understand that it was a rather naive belief. However, I feel that there is still some truth in "color blind", as though I see one's skin is different then mine, I can appreciate that, and not judge one by it. I feel as though it is rather complex, as they said, but want to find an easier way to explain it.
Because of my religious beliefs, I believe that we as humans all have the "same" intrinsic value as anyone else, as we all are created in God's image regardless of skin color, and I'm now wondering if that is where my "color blind" belief came from
This is a powerful topic. I'm a ginger black American gay guy. I grew up with bias around me, but it was cuz I'm light skinned, freckles, and red hair. As a kid, I was always popular, and other kids liked me becuase I was articulate, intelligent, and well educated. bullies wanted to be my friend because I was so kind and well-spoken. It was the adults that made me uncomfortable. Kids would ask why I spoke as I did, why my voice was so high, why my features were different from my brothers, and if I liked boys, but I never felt offense. I felt insecure because all the adults at the time were homophobic, religious, and racist. I grew up hearing how terrible white people were, how immigrants were taking over everything, and even how other black adults didn't like my mixed features. Only other kids were sincere, ask their questions, and decide they didn't care how different I was because I was great at freeze tag and making new games. I'm now 27, and it took me about 25 of those to accept how I look, I'm still learning the self love, but it's all a hurdle. I don't feel secure in any communities still. I'm not white, and they feel either patronizing or awkwardly guilty. Black communities either see me as special or gross, and I wanna hide in plain sight. The LGBT+ community says it's inclusive, but I'm either seen as attractive because I'm different or unattractive because I don't adhere to the western / euro-centric beauty standard. I'm not ugly, but I'm not attractive. The irony is the most racism I've ever experienced against me was by other black people! In my current college, literally EVERYONE in my classes are white, so topics of race always become awkward, and I can feel the air shift. I hate the "I don't see colour" thing. We all see colour! don't take my colour from me! I have more or less melanin than you and a different past! Now let's play tag already! As an adult, I realize my experiences have been atypical yet still quite tragic. It's very lonely, but It's better to be alone than to be with ingenuine people.
Are you doing alright? sorry if this is super out of the blue but i just couldn't pass by and ignore it, i genuinely want to know if you're alright. but it's ok if you don't want to talk about it
That last sentance really hit the nail on the head for me. If I smell a stunt or bs coming out of a persons mouth, especially a friends or family members mouth, I call it out.
It appears you've had quite a rough one ime not tye most optimistic persone but I say with a good bit of confidence that while some black and white and queer people will dislike you for how you are there are also many how won't care and accept you for how you are
So anyway have a good day
@Yanina cattani I'm very well, thank u for asking 😌 I've just graduated with my 2nd degree, and I have a goddaughter on the way. We get triggered at some things and pick fights with the past, but when the dust settles, the now and next r what matter most, y'know 😌 I think I'm pretty good
@U.F. I thank u. Tbh, it's still rough dating-wise, but I'm appreciating the journey. I admittedly had bouts of vanity and anger, but then I grew to truly like myself and see the beauty in others I wouldn't have seen beyond the skin deep layer. Friends ask y I bother responding to guys I'm not attracted to or r much older, and I remind them a bit of kindness goes a long way, and there's nothing wrong with sparing a few minutes instead of blocking them straight away. We should just treat each other better, yknow. When u do, u might start treating yourself the best.
I showed this movie to my parents (they’re Mexican immigrants) and they were chatty and asking questions the whole movie but when we got to *that* scene it was silence. You could feel just so much resentment and anger for years for living that exact moment with so many people.
What scene
@@sebaschan-uwu “oh so there’s a THEM now”
An apology doesn't make you entitled for forgiveness. Valuable life lesson right there.
i love how these comments are so recent
Hence why people aren't apologising anymore.
Sometimes people say things like “why are we still talking about that? I apologised.”
Or
“But I apologised for that!”
As if that automatically fixed everything and removed you from any guilt.
That’s not how apologies work or what they are for.
@@calamity2383 If you want them to make up for it, tell them how. If they don't, then that's on them. If you just want to berate them forever, that's on you.
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The way that Gideon apologizes as soon as he sees Judy again immediately tells you he has been to therapy. Good job Gideon!
I really liked that. You can tell that he’s grown. And I almost like that they didn’t go into detail for his story.
Yep we all need therapy
Maybe not even therapy, just matured. He was a child.
@@Frostfern94 yeah when your a child you don’t take a second thought as too what your doing like when your an adult but that scene makes me smile when he apologized for the way he acted in his youth to Judy
@Costslwaves360 "Hey, Judy. I'd just like to say, I'm sorry for the way I behaved in my youth. I-I-I had a lot of self-doubt and it manifested itself in the form of unchecked rage and aggression. ..."
Look at the vocabulary he uses there, compared to the way he speaks otherwise. It was therapy. And there's nothing wrong with that.
"This is the scene where we meet Nick." And Doug. No one ever wonders why he yells at the fox for just walking across the street.
If Judy had followed the truck, the movie would have been Twenty-two minutes long. IMPLICIT BIAS.
My cousin is a total Judy, she’s a self proclaimed SJW but she has said the worst things to my face. She used to always declare she had friends of color “my Indian friend ___” “my Vietnamese friend ____” and classically blamed not getting the college of her choice on “a student that didn’t work as hard getting her spot” and told me I as a person of color didn’t have to try to get into college (which btw can’t happen because affirmative action doesn’t exist in California, they voted it out in the 90s) nowadays I work at a majority Filipino and Latino school and I refuse to talk about work with her anymore, she’s talked about how they are “predisposed to crime” “expect them to get pregnant young” “most of them don’t plan on going to college” “aren’t they used to eating food off the side of the road?” I’m freaking sick of it and I just learned not to bring it up or else I’m gonna lose my temper, but whenever I try to tell her she completely takes the “I can’t be racist” attitude
Liberals are so full of themselves that they don't acknowledge their own racism and patronizing comments.
Ouch 😮
Are you sure she doesn't attend klan meetings? "Aren't they used to eating off the side of the road" seems a bit too overtly racist even for a liberal who "Doesn't see colour".
Actually, she seems to be much worse than Judy.
You're cousin is not like Judy, Judy at least tries to be a good person
"I love cute little animals!"
"I love eating meat"
"We're gonna bridge the divide here"
*looks at the small dog in between them with fear*
LOL.... 😂😂😂😂
The smallest dogs hold the greatest rage
I thought that was a blanket, yes I'm blind
Time stamp?
@@yellobanana6456 I was like, a somewhat white pillow. xD
“In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist” - Angela Davis
Hallelujah! It is not your fault you were taught to be racist. It is your responsibility to change and fight against racism wherever you see it.
I’ve always believed that your initial thought or emotional reaction is what you’ve been taught, the thought and reaction you go with is who you actually are.
👏👏👏
Except there is no such thing as "anti-racist". You are either racist or you are not. A 50's Dinner with a "Whites Only" sign is just as racist as a 2020 Student center with a "POC Only" sign, the only difference is the race being targeted.
@@phantomJK the difference is that being non-racist is a white person seeing a "POC ONLY" sign, saying "That's terrible," and moving on, where being anti-racist is a white person seeing a "POC ONLY" sign and tearing it down. It's about taking action.
I always loved that the creators made the decision to make Judy bubbly and girly, instead of just a stereotypical female cop archetype. You don’t see it much (I can think of Amy from B99) and it was nice to see that trope being broken (Especially because my personality is very similar). Growing up, I always felt that in order to be taken seriously, I had to toughen personality and act rougher then I naturally was, when in truth, I am a small, girly-tomboy who has a bubbly personality and likes cute things lol And that shouldn’t discredit me in the eyes of anyone else. I don’t have to be someone I’m not in order to be taken seriously.
The part where Judy tells Nick that he's "such an articulate fella" because of her biased beliefs that other foxes aren't as intelligent, hits so close to home.
As an islander growing up, I was always randomly being told, "Oh wow, you're actually really smart." It was always so out of the blue, and I would be receiving this praise over the smallest things ever, which would get me thinking if the only reason people said that to me is because Islanders are generally stereotyped to be "stupid."
No, you're looking for discrimination in that case. I'm white and was told the same thing growing up. There's a great study where a bunch of people had painted scars on their face, then had them removed without being told. After that, they went to a job interview, and they came out of the interview reporting discrimination because of the fake scar. Basically, it's confirmation bias. You're looking for racism, so you find racism.
My favorite tiny detail in Zootopia: when an animal “goes savage”, their eyes change. At the end, when Nick fakes going savage, his eyes remain the same!
Except the Jaguar (Mr. Manchas) because his eyes stayed the same as well but I never noticed that lol
@@wolfxstar I’m pretty sure his eyes changed-
I noticed that on first viewing and was like, "WTF how is he going savage? He can't be." Then I was proven right some seconds later.
That is actually what I used to determine Nick was faking it when I watched the movie I noticed how their eyes will either turn to silts or glow but Nick's didn't do either so I thought "Nah he is faking it" which I turned out to be right :)
I've noticed that too! Because of that I knew Nick was just acting
What I noticed was that Nick understood the other animal.."culture" if you will.
When they went to the "nudist" she was all shocked by it but Nick just understood that's their thing. At the DMV he understood the sloth and didn't rush him, Judy on the other hand tried to imply they're in a really big hurry, they need to get our fast, and rushed the joke when he was telling it to the other sloth, and Nick just stood there not bothered.
So many other scenes where Nick understood the different animals and respected them, and Judy just didn't understand and thought they were being an inconvenience. I'm not sure if that makes sense ...but that's what I saw.
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I think you make a compelling point. If we place these observations in the prism of the racism analogy, it goes to show that Nick being part of a discriminated minority has a better understanding of differences and of the fact that they should be respected than Judy does
@@saraoz2629 Judy was kind of selfish in that way, but she was so used to relying on herself so it’s understandable
Nick wasn't being patient because he understood the animal culture & being nice about it. He told the joke to take advantage of the slow speaking sloths to cause delays in Judy's investigation. He was self serving in that scene.
One should stop to consider something else though. Forcing imagery and shoehorning information can be a bias in itself. Judy is a bunny. Bunnies move fast. Going slow is agonizing. Sometimes the curtains are blue not because they represent depression, sometimes they're blue because blue is nice.
One thing I've always loved about this scene, where he forgives her, is her literally stepping into the light.
I really appreciate that you use the term majority privilege, instead of white privilege. Because most of us are in multiple "them"-groups, we can be privileged some ways and disadvantaged in others. I am a White, cis, asexual, Christian (in the Bible Belt), autistic, able-bodied, educated woman. In some ways, the world was made for me, and in others, not so much.
And it can be frustrating to be told " oh, you have privilege because you belong to this group" when you look around and only see the disadvantages that come from belonging to this other, marginalized group. It's helpful to see that we're pretty much all different mixes of privilege and disadvantage, and sometimes the privilege impacts you, and sometimes the marginalization does.
Nuance is harder than black and white, but it's also more useful.
This! Very much this.
I also want to add that there's an interesting hypocrisy in someone being repeatedly told they're privileged and having their negative experiences invalidated because of it. In a way, that person's privilege becomes their disadvantage, because suddenly their struggle will be immediately invisible to some because of that reverse implicit-bias.
I have multiple White peers that either repeatedly make jokes about how stupid and horrible White people are, and/or how they're just another White person getting it easy compared to others. I'm kind of uncomfortable at how normalized that is in my area, because aren't we all worth celebration and dignity and respect?
I know history is a series of waves of implicit bias going back and forth, but still. It's frustrating to watch.
“Ok. Your not as bad as the klan. Congratulations!”
That killed me more than it probably should’ve
I'm not one for expressing emotions when watching something but that seriously brought out laughter. Especially since there is an actual joke going around saying, " You're not racist!? CONGRATZ!" not being racist isn't a title and shouldn't be done to receive an award or entitlement it really makes me laugh
@@itzax6kita6x68 you shouldn’t be rewarded for the bare minimum. So yeah. Being rewarded for not being racist is stupid
👏 CONGRATULATIONS 👏 YOU’RE NOT A PIECE OF SHIT
that's the line that makes me tempted to send this to my dad.
@@KittenLove536 what the hell did your dad do?
The “congratulations you’re not committing hate crimes” really reminds me of how my mom has been since I came out as a lesbian. I know they’re very different but like if there’s a show and someone disowns their child or kicks them out of the house for not being straight my mom smiles and literally goes “see look I’m a cool mom!” And like i know she means well but the bar is so incredible low that her not disowning me means she’s like this all loving thing and it’s frustrating
yeah. u might wanna show her this video
I GET THIS. My mom has come a long way since I came out as trans 14 almost 15 years ago. But she still has a long way to go and she sometimes acts like she's the be all end all of an accepting parent because she isn't disowning me or denying me of my identity, only showing disappointment when it comes to it (like saying things like "Well it's what YOU want" when I told her I finally got to start T and then immediately changing the subject because she didn't want to talk about it when I was extremely excited to share this information with her). It's sad though because we live in a world where I have to also downplay how much that hurts because "at least I don't have it as bad as some people" or else people throw that at me any way.
@@DannyThaTranny I hate that kinda response of "well, at least you're not doing as bad as X person". It negates your feelings and kinda makes you feel like shit, and even guilty because you're complaining about your pain (something like a survivor's guilt, or a "I have it better" guilt) and also, hey, how bout we recognize that we both have it bad and we're both aching and both situations should improve instead of lowering the bar?
@@nahuelma97 exactly! It seriously just makes it hurt even worse knowing that with most people, if I talk about the fact that it hurts me when my mom blatantly tries to avoid the subject of anything to do with my transition someone literally is 90% of the time going to say "at least she didn't kick you out/disown you when she found out back then".
@@DannyThaTranny I'm sorry your mom changed the subject when you wanted to share your excitement with her. I'm excited for you!
Just wanted to share that I used this video in a DEI media discussion about implicit bias at work. It was extremely well received, and I hope it brings you new viewers! 😊
Thanks for sharing!
Something I've noticed about implicit bias is it can also be used to justify a certain behavior. For example, someone could go their whole life thinking "Bullying is and horrible and not at all justifiable" but, suddenly, they make a friend who turns out to be a bully and they think "Well, it's not that bad, they must've gone through something to justify this." They brush it off as fine.
“Gideon was a jerk who just happened to be a fox” I really like that quote actually,, How she’s aware that being a certain species doesn’t define really anything else about you. She’s aware that it’s your personal thoughts that cause you to be a certain way, and she knows that those personal thoughts aren’t automatically in EVERY fox’s biology, but the thoughts are rather developed over time by what you as an individual decide to listen to and act out.
yeah, her explicit bias is pretty low, and I appreciate that, but implicit bias still happens.
@@lemonqvartz well not really, in that scene, she even only took the spray to get her dad to calm down, but you can see she was genuinely not being biased
in some cases of implicit bias someones actions dont necessarily reflect who they are as a person, but some people just regurgitate what theyve been taught or what they grew up around without questioning if its right or wrong/forming their own opinions
@@2ndpartycrasher954 When she took it from her father, you're correct, she wasn't being biased, however, when she took it from her apartment after making the decision to leave it behind, she most certainly was.
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I instinctively went from “fox repellent” to “gun/taser” .. kinda sad.
Right? It's all-too-relevant.
Same
Well, since it’s a repellent, it’s more like pepper spray, but gun/taser does work... taser more then gun since it’s non-lethal.
Guns and pepper spray aren't race specific. It's inferred that fox spray works against foxes. Suspect forces an officer to shoot him/her, it doesn't matter what race they are.
Oh fuck...
The thing that I liked a lot about Judy’s initial superficial statement of “anyone can be anything”, is that she had to work harder in the Academy for example. She couldn’t scale obstacles or go through different things the way that the larger predators and prey were able to do. So I think what she had to realize was just because there might be the opportunity for anyone to do anything, some people might have to work harder because of their physical or personality related issues that they have as whatever animal they are.
Tackling implicit bias is hard af but so important. I consider myself and my fiancé pretty “woke” but back when the BLM protests were happening, my fiancé had a coworker who sent pizzas to his local police station as a “thank you/not everyone hates cops” gesture and his best friend, who was black, was pissed about it. My fiancé could not grasp why the friend would be mad about it. We had a long talk about it and how even though his coworker didnt have bad intentions towards his friend, its still sending a very hurtful message.
*Also - wanted to add for full transparency on just how important this topic is - i typed “BLM riots” first even though i fully support the movement then changed it to “protests”. Thats implicit bias. Its sneaky af and we’ve got to pay attention.
They can be riots, I'm black. Just because people are hurt doesn't mean they're justified to hurt innocents. You can support the cause but denounce the action.
@@Dabrownman1812 Thank you.
"And though it don't erase the bad old days, that doesn't mean it's time to bring them back."
You can support a cause without supporting bad people using it for their own gain. I get the anger; the rage... but it doesn't mean it's time to take it out on others. Makes you no better than the people that hurt you.
It’s hard to believe in something when alot of the representation seen makes you less easy to take seriously. Loud minority and all that
The only thing i support about black lives matter is the message. Nothing the organisation has done is good to me. The message is also kind of dumb however. Yes, of course black lives matter. Are you in idiot...? That's my take on it. Idk, I do agree with the message (not the actions) but I also think i'ts kind of obvious. It's insane how much BLM has shifted my view. Before BLM got this out of hand, I just saw humans, but now I explicitly see the race of a given human (especially if they're black, since it's BLM). It's insanely annoying...
First off, they were riots, there was much damage caused, however, I do think that the best thing we could do, is maybe make an organization called All Lives Matter, filled with people from all the groups in the US. After that, the first step is acknowledging that racism is a two way street, both white to black, and black to white, and anyone to anyone. From there we attempt to work on it. We *do not* shove it down peoples throats. Anyway. My little time to speak is done, bye now.
What is interesting about the scene where she first sees Nick is that she completely misses/ignores that the truck almost hit a pedestrian while coming out of the alley. The driver is the main chemical maker/hitman Doug. Could have ended the whole thing before it spiraled out of control if she had looked past her biases.
I have never noticed it was dug.
It could totally be me, but I thought I saw him in the reporter crowd as well. It could've been a different sheep, but I have a feeling that he could've been planted.
HOly... I never noticed that. What a sneaky bit of foreshadowing / easter egg.
Yeah and the fact that he was a sheep and was being so mean to someone he almost ran over (a fox). They showed earlier on that prey can be bad people too and also if she had paid just as much attention to the sheep that she did Nick, she could have stopped all the bad that's about to happen. Typical Pixar, dropping little hints.😅😅
Trueeee
"Because a true apology is really just about acknowledging and taking accountability for one's mistake."
This changed my whole point of view and its amazing.💖
I taught my kids that an apology is a 3 point contract - I know I did something wrong, I understand why it was wrong, and now I know that I will try my best to not do it again. Saying sorry is just a making a noise if it is not underpinned by those principals.
I also just learned from this that apologizing isn't just saying "sorry", but actually... saying the things she said and what they said.
I have a hard time understanding social cues, so this actually helped teach me something.
Probably still gonna use "sorry" most of the time though, since it's faster and I can't think fast enough of another apology when its needed... :/
What are we meant to think Judy should apologise for? She was brought up to fear foxes (natural: foxes predate rabbits) but when she first meets Nick she's already seen him get bullied by an elephant and stand up to that bully, so even that early she knows that foxes aren't all bad. She previously didn't know what made predators savage, and, [15:15] having learnt this, she takes her first opportunity to tell Nick what she'd learnt.
@@rosiefay7283 Judy needs to apologize because things are rarely as simple as all good or all bad. Yes, Judy was friends with Nick and doesn't see him or even foxes in general as bad, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't have things that she needs to work on.
When trying to reason what would make the animals go savage, she turned to her implicit bias that their savageness is a result of an innate proneness to violence that, even without realizing it, she believes is characteristic of predators. She subconsciously discounts the notion that such a phenomenon could also occur in prey animals. And this assumption clearly hurts Nick; with Nick having had previous experiences with other animals ostracizing him under the similar belief that him being a fox innately makes him a danger.
Even if we assume that Judy's assumption is completely harmless, which it isn't, it is still undeniable that Nick was hurt by her comment and that means that she needs to apologize in order to mend that relationship. Just because she goes to him first, doesn't mean that there aren't wounds that need healing.
I was always told I was using the victim card and feeling sorry for myself and "not *actually* apologizing" when I acknowledged what I did wrong
That popsicle scene is one of my favorite ones in that movie just because of so many layers to it, you have Judy following Nick because he looked shady to her implicit bias, then, when she realizes he just wanted a popsicle for his "son", and was being explicitly harassed, she defends him, pointing out the wrong-doings of the store, and buys it for him, makes that 'well articulated' comment. But *then* not long afterward, you discover that he was *indeed* up to shady business, he was melting and repackaging and selling it for profit. I just love how amazingly intertwined it all is.
As a teenager, I fell in with a group of friends that were extremely explicit racists. Not burn crosses level, but still a core part of the groups identity. I was a weird, lonely, bullied kid, and they treated me like family, it was difficult not to get drawn in. I dropped out a few years later when they wanted me to hurt people, which I never have and hope to never do.
Even though I'm absolutely against everything the stand for now, it's hard not to get certain impulses now and then. They absolutely brainwashed me with their garbage, and I don't know if the split second reactions to certain things will ever go away.
What I can choose is how to deal with it. Do I choose to let my bias affect me, or do I choose to resist. Considering I have close friends that have so much intersectionality you'd be hard pressed to construct it, I hope I'm doing an okay job (and they're my friends because they're awesome, not to prove a point). But I still have so much work to do, 20 years later. I just want to be a good person.
these two just taught me more about implicit bias in 25 minutes than school has taught me in 16 years. fascinating.
Same, I’m just now hearing about implicit bias.
Schools are not supossed to teach you this... then in fact.. will create a bias in everyone... if a school taught a certain topic about a certain race it will create a bias on the people that are being taught such thing
8 years in and the word has never been mentioned
hear hear! i am in year 8 and primary AND secondary school let the kids be racist to me. (I am asian)
The first sence reminded me of being black
“you’re eyes are so big” “does your mom speak english?” “haha you’re supposed to be good at math” all jokes i’ve uncomfortably laughed at. growing up i thought i couldn’t complain about racism because no one was physically hurting me. i also thought i couldn’t be racist because i wasn’t white. we all just need to work harder at avoiding micro aggressions. just because you meant no harm, doesn’t mean you did no harm.
I hear a lot of "why did you leave [insert Asian country, most likely Japan or China]" a lot and I'm literally not even Asian. My eyes just look slightly different.
Both these comments ring so true... especially after recent events.
They literally refuse to serve white people at many bars in Japan are are widely openly racist against foreigners. Guess what? You're not responsible for that, nor should you be villianized for something you can't control just because you share one commonality with them.
the famous "why doesn't 100% of the entire population just magically know everything about my entire life story by interacting with me 1 time"
racism is beating someone to death because they look like someone who did something 4000 miles away. its not asking if your mom speaks english
@@mayainverse9429 Racism has many shades.
Great video. I’m mixed Asian/Hispanic. Watching this reminded me of all the implicit racism I received for being Hispanic - family friends complimenting my light skin, my aunt complaining to my face about Hispanic immigrants, a teacher publicly crossing my name out bc I corrected him on how to say it in Spanish. Most of this happened when I was a teenager. SIDE NOTE - during this time I also did a book fancast online. The only negative comments I got were for choosing an actor with darker skin. Make of that what you will.
I get this a lot when people hear that I am autistic. "Oh you express yourself so well!" Always said like they are talking to a kindergartner. I'm a forking adult. Just because I am autistic doesn't mean I can't talk. I do wish people would learn about other people instead of only trusting in stereotypes.
So this is something i know I'm guilty of myself as I've had time to reflect on it now as an adult and in a weird twist of fate i am learning there's a high likelihood i am on the spectrum, particularly what would've formerly been called "Asperger's". I'm researching and talking to friends and family and professionals and will be seeking an official assessment at some point, and once i get there, if i find out that, yes, i am actually on the spectrum i don't want to be suddenly facing these types of comments when never once in my life have i dealt with them before in regards to ASD (i have dealt with backhanded compliments a few times before), and especially not after putting in so much effort to truly understand how my own mind is working. So i guess in a sense, i am afraid of somehow dealing with an extra layer of crap from other people, and maybe that's its own kind of implicit bias, one rooted in a foundational lack of understanding for most other people?
@JacelynAvowlin unfortunately the world is built to cater to what people consider "normal" so you'll have to prepare yourself for being treated strangely. I'm singled out whether i say I'm Autistic or not, because people seem to have a spidey sense for people who are different. Both of my children, also on the spectrum, experience the same with their peers.
@keen8271 oh I mean plenty of people already think I'm weird, I guess I'm more just not ready for that to somehow turn to pity or for the tone of treatment to change for the worse. I get left alone for the most part, and I don't want that to change, and I understand that so long as I don't bring it up where it isn't necessary then it won't affect anything, but u also understand that in knowing my mind better ill know how to tell people how to help me and there will be circumstances where it would be necessary to say something so that both parties understand eachothers potential limitations.
@@JacelynAvowlin exactly. Not ever telling people really isn't an option. If im crying in Walmart because they stopped selling my cereal people gonna ask LOL
I think a big thing they addressed well was the fact that she thought that since she, as a bunny, had been discriminated against, she can’t do the same. Someone that is a minority, will do something and not think it’s wrong because “I have experienced discrimination, so I would definitely recognize when I’m being discriminatory.” She doesn’t recognize her bias that predators are violent, because in her perspective, bias is people being condescending rather than afraid.
To me, it feels a lot like the difference between the discrimination some people show to women and the discrimination shown to people based on race. Your thoughts?
@@mathnerd3364 It's certainly an interesting difference. On the one hand, I don't know too many women who would say they have been discriminated against because people are afraid of them - typically, it's the exact opposite issue. It is therefore tempting to say most discrimination they face comes in the form of condescension or exclusion. Conversely, many people in ethnic or sexual minorities do experience fear from their majority counterparts and have faced anger, violence, and exclusion based on this. If I may step back to what women face, however, I would like to point out that while they don't have the exact same issues as other minorities, they do experience violence and harassment as well to a far greater extent than males for a variety of reasons.
My personal experience as a woman of mixed heritage has been that while racial discrimination and gender discrimination have different causes and some differences in how they present, both groups are likely to experience violence, abuse, patronization, exclusion, financial disparity, and many other issues. We shouldn't be condescending to one of these groups and say that the other has it worse when really they both have significant challenges to navigate. Telling a group that their problems are comparably negligible will only serve to pit that group against the other minority, when we should all be standing together as a united front. Sorry for the essay; I was just very interested in what you and the original poster had to say!
@@kipandren One of the things I hate about society is that it does tend to pit groups against each other based on differences we can't control. Watching Zootopia, I can say that there have been times my internal bias has come up, not because of anything the person did, but because of situations that happened to me in the past. For example, I don't get in elevators alone with men. I check over my shoulder when exiting a grocery store. I don't answer if men talk to me when I'm alone. I'd like to say that it's entirely unmotivated by race and ethnicity, but I don't want to make that declaration too confidently. I'm not sure where the line between protecting myself and being biased against others lies.
@@mathnerd3364 That's very insightful! I think the first step in moving forward to a more open mindset is being willing to take a hard look at our own biases; we can't make changes until we recognise the need to change. I will admit that I have done the same things you have shared and not always been the most trusting of men. For my personal situation, I think a lot of it comes from being taught from a very early age that men are potentially dangerous, justifiably or not. It's not always easy to catch myself doing it, but I believe it's the second thought, the one where I acknowledge my bias and move beyond it, that is most important. It's having the humility to recognise that we are not perfect and the resolve to improve ourselves that makes a difference in the world.
Yep; and this behavior can easily be turned against other minorities, too, which sucks.
When Judy apologises to Nick, she stands in the dark of the tunnel while he stands in the light. And after she is forgiven, she walks out into the light with him.
I never noticed that until this video and I think it's excellent symbolic lighting choice.
lighting is convenient cliché
@@karamjeetkaur1474 lighting is an art in itself and requires dedicated artists in that field...
@@LannasMissingLink thats true, but isn't it coincidence that Judy found nick at the right time?
@@karamjeetkaur1474 plus one sin?
When the scene starts Nick enters a dark place and she starts her apology in the light. The most emotional and sincere portion of her apology occurs as she steps deeper into the dark and as he listens to it he starts in the dark with her and approaches the light. When he has decided to accecpt her apology and turns to teasing her he steps/has stepped into the full light and when they reach a moment of connection and accecption of what has occured they both in the light together.
It's a really well played scene PLUS THEY GO UNDER A BRIDGE and ya know that's a whole great metaphor played out as well. As an animator yes, lighting is SO deeply thought out in animation because it creates moods. It's thought out in live action films as well. There's whole theories and classes on film development that covers it. Often times it's even discussed during the concept art and storyboarding stages because it's so key to setting up and supporting the execution of a scene.
All that to say awesome catch OP and I also loved the symbolism haha!!
I am currently homeless and just trying to sleep, and hearing you point out my plight, and how people see me made me tear up. Thank you.
I feel you. You can do this. It’s going to take time but you’ve gotta keep going
@@kx7500 thank you.
I send you good vibes. Happy 2023
I wish there was more I could do. :/
@@justalpha9138 support and protest for policies that help homeless people and the 99%
@@justalpha9138 As well as what the last person said, complain to local councils or government about the use of anti-homeless infrastructure (which absolutely exists where you are, whether you notice it or not).
Seriously these episodes have taught me how to be a better human being
That's so kind! Thank you! :)
I also love how emotional Alan gets in these episodes. He has such a deep feeling heart ❤️
For some reason, the hardest thing to get into people's heads, is that how you treat someone can and will affect how they act. For example, the way the 'prey' muzzle up Nick and don't realise nor care that they just helped put the idea in Nick's head that, the only way people will ever see him as, is manipulative, cunning and sly, just bcuz he was born a fox. So he played up to that, why bother trying to change how people view you when you can just play the part. This then 'confirmed' what the other scouts was in the right, bcuz obviously they were correct in their prejudice but were really what caused it in the first place. That's a hard message for people to fully realise bcuz many don't like to admit they are the one's at fault...
Soooo freaking true!
The prejudiced ones played part by doing those, _and_ ones who play along also played part by reinforcing it
There is a play called andorra that reminded me of this implicit bias. It is about a boy who everyone thinks is a Jew during the Second World War and they all keep on treating him that way with false friendliness and their own projected flaws at them, which were actually their very own flaws and not giving him fair chances based on that.
The boy himself internalises these prejudices and starts acting according to these as well and thinks the reason nobody likes is because he is a Jew, etc..
Now there comes the twist: he wasn’t actually one. It was a lie his father made up, to hide the fact that he had an affair with a woman outside of town, while also making himself look like a hero for taking in a jewish boy. The mother even comes to visit to the town trying to explain the whole situation along with the father to him, but before she can explain it she gets killed by the locals and everyone shifts the blame on the boy again. And the boy doesn’t fight it anymore at that point, and even as his father and adoptive mother desperately try to explain it to him and everyone else. They just don’t want to believe it and think it’s really just a dishonest way of protecting the boy from the approaching gestappo and spoiler alert: the boy gets shot by them, his father hangs himself in the aftermath, his half sister loses her mind about it and his adoptive mother... I honestly forgot what her fate was again, but it wasn’t a good one as well there and the rest of the town was none the wiser about anything at all about what just happened there and keeps on living their own lives.
@@revimfadli4666 do we blame a piece of clay for being the shape of its mold? Does it seem rational to expect a different result?
@@somerandomgal3915 Damn- That's brutal-
Not only does Nick call Judy out on her statements, he also does it in such a calm and reasonable way. Not everyone is so able to deal with being accused of being subhuman so well, especially when you get it ALL the time!
The tragedy is he's probably used to forcing down any signs of being angry or overly emotional, because if he showed that it would come off as aggressive or intimidating. Just like what happened in the press conference where everyone assumed she was being threatened because he looked upset for completely reasonable reasons.
He probably has to stay calm. After all, he just looked upset and the immediate assumption was that he did something to her. If he were more aggressive it would just "prove" their biases.
@@bumbabees near identical to biases against black and brown people, especially black people, who have to act calmly whenever upset or theyll be labeled as aggressive
@@saltwatersweets exactly. Im glad that people in the comments are recognizing this.
@@saltwatersweets I saw this as more focused towards how men are seemed as aggressive and violent.
16:37 I would genuinely respect someone more if they just said “I’m not sorry” as opposed to a fake half apology
I so agree because like…yeah it sucks but AT LEAST they’re being honest
As a white disabled LGBTQ woman, it took growing up with close friends of color for me to realize I had implicit bias. I strive to achieve Judy’s growth constantly. As a kid, I was keenly aware of disability discrimination because it was constant and both overt and implied. It took constantly hanging out with my friends Erica (who is disabled and interracially adopte) and Stacie (who came here at 5 from Mexico, is disabled, and was adopted by white relatives) for me to understand how layered, complex, and messed up prejudice is. All prejudice is so senseless and painful.
”We’re not super qualified to discuss another persons experience”
One minute and fifteen seconds in I’m already loving this. Everyone should live by this.
legit when they started saying that I automatically clicked the like button
You have no idea how many times I heard the opposite from people I knew. They were very much the kind of people who tried to force their view on others.
By being impartial with an experience you are objectively better suited to judge it reasonably.
Honestly I think that press conference is also very telling of how media plays a part in bias. I mean aside from the photo's in the press conference switching to muzzled predators to really emphasise the points Judy is making through her own implicit bias, it also falls straight into just wild inaccurate claims: "Officer Hopps, were you just threatened by that predator?" "No, he's my friend." "We can't even trust our own friends?!"
Like yes, Judy's implicit bias came through... and instead of calling her out on it, instead of letting the predator species among the crowd speak up, the prey species just run with the facts solely to place fear in their audience, further dividing what was already a fractured group throughout the plot of the movie. Kinda warning us that as we unlearn our biases we also have to really try and find the actual truth in the media, because media so often twists things to fit their own bias.
and they keep trying to keep an old idea alive even though it doesn't make sense. the whole "preditors were consumed with blood lust" and thus their just going "savage" because of it. and no one really argues that it doesn't make sense cause it's something that common old fact, so no one would bother to fact check it.
Yeah, if your being payed for controversy your going to cause it.
Kinda sounds like most of 2020 to me...
Literally politics, atleast in America.
Sensationalism is a very big part of media even today just look at the coverage of everything, from protests, police, to covid-19
Golden rule is great don’t get me wrong, but when I was in the social work program a teacher threw out there the “platinum rule”: treat others the way they wanna be treated. Try not to assume what someone should or will want; if it’s possible ask and grant them that agency. Especially on important and/or meaningful things. For me in high school my family as well as my advisor assumed I would be following the tradition academically path due to their values and what they wanted for me. I ended up feeling pressured into attending state university, wasted a year (and bunch of money) hating it and myself for not measuring up to expectations. I dropped out promptly was accepted into trade school and got an IT degree. But hey, I’m the best in my team at quickly building rapport with the folks I support when they’re super angry or panicked, so all was not lost!
I think that is a case of the golden rule being taken too far. The golden rule is meant for like "treat people kindly and respectfully, just like how you wanted to be treated kindly and respectfully." It isn't meant to say "give other people what you would want" for things like life goals and such. Still, I don't disagree with you.
THIS! I learned this throw my friends. At the beginning I treat them as I wanted to be treated. Then, as we started to know each others more deeply, we talked about how we all had different things, and we all had different ways of feeling safe and of dealing with feelings. Then we started asking each other what this things were, and our relationship is so much better because of it.
That reporter scene talks a lot about modern media. A lot of reporters ask bizarre questions and twist your words to various meanings in order to get the story they WANT to write.
People saying "I don't see colour" when it comes to race or racism are the equivalent of someone saying "I don't see class" when it comes to issues with the wealthy or homeless people in poverty.
yes! they think they’re helping but they’re actually ignoring the issue. by saying you don’t see color you’re also saying you don’t see their struggles they face _because_ of their color
If you “don’t see color” then you don’t see patterns...yep.
This. I got hit with the "I don't see colour" line from someone who simultaneously believes (and I quote) that all privately educated individuals are "elitist Tory pricks" and that homeless people are just "too lazy to fix their lives".
It baffles me that they're not able to see their own sweeping generalisations despite the fact they've actively tried to stop making them when it comes to race.
(Sorry if this is jumbled. I'm fairly sleep deprived)
It amuses me that the comments here are all by white women...
@@kissynuggett3727 I'm not white bud
"If we're going to give each other a seat at the table we first have to recognize that there are people who aren't at the table and stop buying into the myth that they're happy to not be at the table"
Nailed it.
It's like they say: "If you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu."
But who is supposedly happy to not be at the table? How can that be? I don't believe it; who doesn't want to be at the table?
Doesn't everyone want to be at the "table"? What even is "table"? I assume it refers to ultimate privilege and happiness? For Americans -- the American Dream?
I think it's meant to imply a negotiation table rather than a dinner table -- undertaking things together so everyone's needs are met rather than some kind of unfocused kumbayah moment.
So true! He nailed it!
But at the same time, we also have to recognize that there are people who absolutely don't belong at the table and should be refused a seat there too (The Tolerance Paradox).
I like that rabbits are *also* on the receiving end of prejudice and stereotypes in this film. It highlights that you can be discriminated against but still have implicit or explicit biases of your own and still benefit from certain types of privilege. And I'm not sure if this was intentional, but the way bunnies are portrayed here kind of reminds me of some of my experiences as an Eastern European immigrant
You don’t deserve it, Alan. From my perspective, you are a kind, compassionate, articulate person and you and Jon compliment each other incredibly. A lot of times in these, I’m crying right along with you thinking about those scenes in these movies. You’re doing your best. Don’t self deprecate yourself. Jon will tell you.
One of the things I feel a lot of people miss is that Judy is subjected to implicit and explicit bias as well. She's assumed to be to small and weak to accomplish anything, because she's a bunny, and all bunny's do is work on their farms and have lots of kids. I mean come on, there's the obvious coding of "cute" as some form of slur or derogatory way to refer to rabbits.
Because of the way she is used to being stereotyped and knows how that feels, she attempts to avoid saying the explicit things against other species, and considers herself a very accepting rabbit who appreciates the diversity of Zootopia. If you were trying to draw real world parallels to this, Judy is also apart of a racial minority, however, *this does not mean she is immune to implicit bias against others.*
Just something I don't see people talking about much, thought I'd add it.
Omg THIS I WAS JUST THINKING THIS SAME WAY
anyways late but liking this alot B)
Kinda like a white feminist forgetting to realize that they may face sexism but they can also take part in racism
@@CupOfTaeWithAKookie Kinda! The metaphors of Zootopia are very muddled and not perfectly executed, so I was thinking more in line of it being somewhat equivalent to Judy being a POC, but still capable of being tacitly racist towards other minorities.
Again, it's kinda hard to pin down the intent though, so it's all very open to interpretation.
@@ithinkflutterawesome6511 That's true, I agree it can be interpreted in many different ways, which is honestly the beauty of it. But personally I thought of white feminism cuz of the connotations that come with being a bunny or a herbivore in their world. They're seen as cute, small, fragile, and incapable of certain jobs like doing a dangerous case in the police force. It reminds me a lot of sexism and how women couldn't work a lot of jobs before. But in the past and even now, a lot of feminists overlooked people of color. America gave rights to white women before they gave rights to black women, and a good amount of white feminists still held prejudice towards people of color. So Judy despite being a minority who is often looked down on still holding some internalized prejudice towards Nick as a fox, reminded me of that.
I think its more that judys thing is that she's facing like sexism and not racism, because like thars like the one that makes the most sense for her while storyline and how she's treated i feel like, i dont really feel like it makes sense for how she's treated being because she's a poc, and it still is about the same thing though that just because like you face predjudice doesn't mean you can't be predjudiced
When you don’t see color, you don’t see patterns.
Woah.
Damn right. That's a thinker for sure.
Technically speaking, as in talking about colors and only colors alone, that is not true. Colored picture that turned into a complete grayscale would still show patterns just by having variations of values. But still, good comment nonetheless.
Nice. :-)
@@ultimaxkom8728 im sorry but i just thought your comment is kinda funny
I think the real reason Judy came around so suddenly was hearing the truth from her parents. The people who raised her with (justified) prejudice were the same people who destroyed their former argument far more effectively than a stranger could have. It’s really difficult to accept that learned behaviors are toxic and overcome them.
I love when Animation Creators go full zen:
"Real life's a little bit more complicated than a slogan on a bumper sticker" - Judy Hopps
(maybe for a t-shirt then?)
i showed this to my grandma earlier today. and she was silent for a moment before going, "You know. I'm thankful that you always have access to this sort of education."
This really ended up helping my grandma out some too. she'd also say that her colored neighbors were very articulate. She stopped saying it entirely, along with a few other things. Thanks for making these, seriously ♥️
You are so welcome! Please tell your grandmother hello for us! - Jonathan
@@CinemaTherapyShow I do agree that prejudice can be subtle and hurtful, but this Implicit Bias concept has a dark side. It makes EVERYONE biased. For example, just as Judy unintentionally hurt Nick during her speech by the implication that predators are dangerous, you two hurt me with the implication that I am racist at my core! What a terrible thing to say about so many people, and yet you meant no harm.
The problem with the concept of Implicit Bias is that it causes the person who believes it to be Implicitly Biased toward everyone else. Surely as a therapist you can see the harm in believing that everyone around you assumes you’re a racist at heart.
If then, like Nick, a person comes to believe that no matter what they do they will be judged as a racist couldn’t they decide to be the best fox or racist they can be? This line of thinking is not good. Prejudice is wrong, but forcing people to be immersed in the idea that they always carry prejudice towards others isn’t any better.
@@michaelrizzo4174 im not entirelysure what youre trying to say but if you mean implicit bias implies that you are racist then you missed the point..
@@tink6225 They specifically said that everyone is implicitly biased until they get ‘woke’. So if you find the woke movement distasteful and prefer to just treat people the way you want to be treated, well, they said you’re just a little bit better than the KKK. Really? I’d say not committing murder in general makes you a lot better than them, but apparently that’s not good enough. In addition to not killing people or just being a kind person we also need to be on board with the idea that we have even more racism to overcome.
Where does it end? At what point is our behavior acceptable enough to not be considered ‘Implicitly Biased’?
@@michaelrizzo4174 being implicitly biased isn't a completely horrible thing lmaoo and nobody is implying that it is. it's just something in the back of our minds. not the same thing as racism but not a completely good thing either. literally all you have to do is acknowledge when you're being implicitly biased
I’m glad that they made the distinction between racism, and implicit bias. It’s not the same thing. People who are _racist_ are deliberately discriminating against people and need to _repent._ People who are implicitly biased are usually trying to do the right thing and just need to be _educated_ so they know _how_ to do the right thing. There’s a difference between repenting of bad intentions, and simply learning how to correctly express your good intentions.
yeah, "educate" people how to think, what to say etc.. do you also want to build camps for that?
@@MrValarMorgoth
No. They need to be presented with alternative viewpoints and ways of thinking... but never, _never_ should agreement be forced or threats be used. I hate racism, but I also hate the ideology of the SJW leftists who constantly cry “wolf” about racism every time someone disagrees with them and think that shutting down free speech is the solution. That’s far more dangerous than a few racist individuals slipping through the cracks.
@@allie_678 they don't "need" to be presented with anything.. leave them alone.. if you want to change their mind talk to them, discuss with them.. it's really disturbing when you say how they need to be reeducated to behave in the "right" way..
@@MrValarMorgoth
Educating people is literally just giving them information they didn’t have before so they can be more informed. I _am_ talking about discussing things with other people. Why is that a problem?
@@allie_678 by "presented with alternative viewpoints" do you mean tow the party line or else you will never have a job you can never go to any school and you will be permanently banned from using any social media or payment processing services?
I like how Judy and Nick's relationship is similar to Shrek and donkey in the way that Nick internalized his "nature" as a fox and Judy treated him with respect as another animal, the main difference being that donkey was much more naive and had a really superficial view of Shrek, he wasn't afraid of Shrek at any moment and treated him as a friend, and it's cool how donkey also had a bit of implicit bias towards Shrek, he probably heard Many stories about how ogres are monsters but again, he wasn't afraid, and used the opportunity to actually understand Shrek as a person, leading to scenes like the onion or the moon scene
I've been told many times that due to my sex and race that I can't be promoted. Being the victim of prejudice really stinks, it does not matter your race, sex, or preference. The issue is that all people have bias and are most comfortable with who and what they know.
Oh boy. You guys said the "keeping predators in check" and gave me flash backs to the bonus features. The original plot for this movie was SO much darker. Originally the predators were forced by society to wear shock collars. If their heart rate went high enough (as a tracker for anger but excitement did it too) the collar shocked them. To "keep predators in check". The writers changed the story because they realized they created a world too dark to cheer on.
Oh shiste yeah I heard about that early story and I nearly forgot... but dang that was way more intense. They even animated one scene where Nick gets his shock collar removed for some sort of check up, and the short-lived relief he felt at taking it off was heartbreaking...
In the scene where Judy apologized to Nick, the background had the building where Nick built his theme-park!! From the original plot! That's a nice little detail right there.
Wow. This sounded like the anime: Psycho Pass
oh my god--
@@rogelinelim1046 psycho pass was dark, it was sad to me because people who needed mental help or were responding appropriately to a traumatic or stressful experience were treated like criminals by a machine
The bit about Nick adhering to the stereotypes because "people decided they were true so I may as well follow" made me think about a thought I'd had with Harry Potter. In the books, it showed Fred and George literally boo at every child sorted into Slytherin. These 11 year olds come to school for the first time, excited to learn magic, and from the moment they are sorted, the other 3/4 of their peers decide they are dark or evil just because of their sorting or family name. Then people wonder why so many Slytherins did turn to "the dark side".
Ah yes, the four houses of hogwarts: the MCs, side character, smart side character, and racism
Right?? Harry essentially begged the hat not to put him in Slythern because he met Malfoy, a total prick, who wanted to be in Slythern, and was told the house was full of people just like him.
indeed
One of the flavors of kids is evil?!
The whole concept of the Houses makes no sense to me. You're being evaluated and judged when you're 11 years old (who at that age has such an emotionally stable mind or traits that are so defined?)
Then you are grouped together for the rest of your school years with people who are just like you. Why? Wouldn't it make far more sense to group the kids together depending on their strengths and weaknesses?
For example, the slackers and easy-going types with the ambitious and hard-working kids - so that one can help the other with managing their workload and then the others can help show them that work is not everything or help them in other ways in which each group struggles.
If I had to include the houses at all, I would not make the children's placement permanent, but they would change houses yearly (maybe?) depending on what they need to learn the most at that time.
If there was a Zootpia 2, it would be very interesting to include other animal classes like birds, reptiles, and even invertebrates. And from there, the story can take on issues of speciesism and showing empathy for less intelligent animals.
I enjoyed how you guys worded it. “We’re the same, but I’m actually denying your heritage.” I believe that everyone are my brothers and sisters (and siblings for fellow enbies). My biological siblings are very different from me, but I treat them like family because they are family. Everyone in the world is my family. We are not the same, but we are not jarringly different.
One of the things I love about Zootopia is how it handles intersectionality. As well as the pred/prey dynamic, there's the issue of size. The prejudice Judy faces in becoming a cop stems from her size, not her diet. And the villain tries to get Judy on-side by saying, more than once, "Us little guys gotta stick together".
It's telling that the missing otter is given low priority as a case: not just a predator, but also small. And Judy being willing to look for him could be perceived as an act of solidarity from one small mammal to another. I know that other reviewers and commentators have said that if the carnivore/herbivore conflict can represent race, then the large/small prejudice could represent gender, or even disability.
These different prejudices play out in Zootopia all at the same time, as well as addressing differences between city/country, local/newcomer, rich/poor, famous/unseen, and probably more. Most films, even very serious, explicit stories about the evils of prejudice, would only address one or two of these issues in a single work. Zootopia does an amazing job of demonstrating that you can't discuss any social situation in isolation. That life is, as Judy says, messy.
It's also interesting to note that Mr. Otterton is classified as a predator, and therefore dangerous, despite the fact that they eat primarily fish, this world's most legal and ethical source of meat and no danger to any of the sapient animals here. But the prey animals don't care.
Fantastic take
@monny287 you my friend, are excellent at taking the words in my head, and putting them into text
I'd really like to recommend The Dragon Prince here, it does a great job of addressing prejudice, especially in season 1. When a human and an elf from opposite sides of a race war have to work together, things are going to be rocky. The human intentionally plays up elven stereotypes in an attempt to scare away an antagonist, but only succeeds in hurting his elven ally's feelings. The elf regularly spouts stereotypes when forced to disguise herself as human, making herself into an exaggerated caricature. The elf offers the human a drink of red liquid and he automatically assumes it to be blood. When the elf is complimenting the human, she describes him as "different" from other humans. The human, in turn, describes her as "a good elf". It's a very interesting exploration of bias!
Yeah, as a minority, I wish we would address minorities hating others. Koreans to Chinese, Chinese to Koreans, etc.
As a kid, I basically thought that racism was a thing of the past and didn’t really exist anymore (I know, I was such a sheltered white kid). But when I was around eight or so, I saw an episode of That’s So Raven that showcased blatant racism in the present day. I remember being so confused when I first saw it. People didn’t _actually_ still think this way, did they? I couldn’t understand it back then. I just wrote it off as them being overdramatic or something like that. To be completely honest, it was only very recently (the whole George Floyd situation, to be specific) that I was finally able to see that being “colorblind” is not a realistic or even a good way of seeing people. It stops you from being able to recognize most forms of racism, and that’s obviously not a good thing. I’ll certainly be more mindful in the future.
Great insights! So glad you've joined us!
Me too, I used to think racism was over in grade school but around when trump was elected thats when I came to my senses
I didn't even know racism was a thing until I was in like grade 2 or 3! Like, people make fun of others because of their race? That's dumb, but it exists, and I'm sad about that.
SAME
@@raystan9551 I obviously knew racism existed. But didn't realize just how racist so much of America must be until Trump was elected... And almost reelected. It's not just some racism it's half the country!!!
The main antagonist is, figuratively, a wolf in sheeps clothing -- Impeccable writing and concept design.
The amount of awareness and impact you both create through your videos is amazing. Please keep doing what you do, I LOVE your work
Can we just address the fact that the bias towards the large species of animals has left Tiny Town completely unpoliced allowing organized crime to gain a foothold?
Or maybe because its a rural area which is kinda perfect for illegal things to happen. Not close neighbors and people normally mind their business
@@annafulcher6960 tiny town is in the city. I think you misread.
@@Glamador oh my gosh I did. I dont even know what I was thinking
Lol, in all rural areas I know, people never mind their own business! Everyone is interested (genuinely or not) in everyone.
@@koushalyag3608 I guess we have different experiences 🙃
Personally I think doesn't matter if you're black or white or what sexualty you have, everyone has implicit bias. My Indian parents really don't like Chinese and Pakistani people and tend to see Muslims in a bad light. I know it's wrong but sometimes I act like Judy by accident. We are built biologically to judge systems and groups in general terms, and our brains tend to see things in black and white to keep everything in a tight internal narrative. Trying to change those implicit biases will take personal confrontation like it did for Judy, because we have so many of them that it's impossible to change all of them. This is just my opinion anyway
there isn't anything bad with such biasas like in this movie if it were real life and you were a real rabbit trying to be the best anti-racist and trying to say hello to a lion or a fox will literally get you killed. the important thing to remember is a trend is not a guarantee but at the same time generalizations are still generally true.
@@mayainverse9429 it seems quite risky though to believe generalizations about groups of people though. Bc of media we don’t always know the whole truth. Not everyone reads an entire story and instead will just focus on the headline. We should always be aware of our implicit biases and how they affect people bc in some cases they can be damaging.
@@nightowl_ ok well. try being gay and take a vacation with your partner to Iran with the idea that you shouldn't let implicit bias get in the way. good luck.
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“There isn’t anything bad with such biases”?
I’m sure you wouldn’t want me to conclude you were stupid due to being a conservative, would you?
True...everyone is prejudice and has an implicit bias, but it is nothing compared to racism, which is prejudice plus the power to affect or harm someone's livelihood or life altogether. And that is what Bellwether, as well as those like her, did and still continues to do.
Thank you cinema therapy, you explained this so well and so clear that I was able to truly understand Nick's speech and appreciate it more. Thank you for always being so sensitive and clear with your therapy!
Children recognize difference but search for things they have in common. Differences are nothing to fear, it's something that we need in our society and that goes for ethnicity, heritage, culture,emotions and life experiences. Looking for what people have on common and find common ground is what builds understanding and depth in cultural difference acceptance.