Shooting, Developing & Scanning 4x5 FILM | 40 YEAR EXPIRED FILM
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- I decided to dig around and see what I had on hand and recently went out with my trusty Crown Graphic and shot some waaay expired Plus-x 4x5 film. I also show off some quick home developing along with some (pretty pretty rough) scans just for fun!
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Have weird/expired film you'd like to see featured on the channel? A Zine? Weird camera? Other crazy film stuff? You can send me stuff! Everything will be featured in the videos!
Noah Henderson
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I actually really liked the blurry picture of you. I love accidents like that where you get a very unexpected artistic result. One of the fun things about shooting film I think.
“My mom always said life was like shooting a roll of film. You never know what you're gonna get.”
I think I read that in a comment on an Ed Pavez video.
I have a couple boxes of 4x5 Kodak film , one unopened, that say “War Department” on them- WWII ie, exp 1944. I processed just one at half estimated film speed ( void didn’t say) was awash in fog. No usable image. Looks neat on the shelf though. I might try it at asa 5 (iso for the young crowd).
Omg omg omg 4x5 !!!!!! I have been waiting for this for months on end
Thanks for sharing, I love shooting and developing 4x5. Nice results given the age of the film.
Not gonna lie, the scanning part did hurt me a little :)
Yaaa it’s definitely not what I would normally want. I’ve priced out like an Epson v800 but it’s still a biiig buy. Gotta up my home scanning game though
@@AnalogResurgence any epson even the V550 is a better scanner. Ive done tests and it matches or is superior to the local photolabs Noritsu scanner. So I scan all my negatives put the raw files on my USB and take it to them for printing. Ive had some 120 film negatives come out as a 1.2gb scan in raw. Tons of detail.
I was tempted by a 600 the other day. Just something enough to let me do some stuff at home better
@@AnalogResurgence I hope you do find a good scanner, It would be great to get to see more high quality scans of your work. It adds a lot to your videos. Ive been shooting medium format for a while now. I love it, ive found medium format to be my favorite. After seeing your video you got me looking at Graflex cameras dangit lol.
The graflex is beautiful I can’t lie. It’s a special occasion camera but I’m glad I have it
How timely! I just shot my first 4x5 sheet film in my new Crowh Graphic just yesterday. Developed at home and scan stitched.
Just wanna day thanks for these videos, i find your stuff very informative and inspiring :)
Get an Adjustable Rectangular Developing Tank (for 4x5, 2 1/4, etc with a top lid) that will hold 12 sheets of 4x5. Made by Yankee. I just sold mine that was in mint condition for $27. Also obtain another GrafMatic then you can shoot 12 and develop 12 for some serious 4x5.
What an awesome camera! 🤩
Always look forward to your content. I've also been experimenting with 4x5, and also use expired film. The film could also be heat-fogged which presents unevenly. Keep it up. Cheers.
A tip for you:
if you have an iPhone, you can set your triple click home/unlock button in "accessibility" to do an invert of your screen, and you can quickly check your negatives in positive, if you can't wait for them to be scanned! :D
Android has that in settings too but there's also a few apps that can do negatives for quick dirty preview
Wow it is WILD to see that film on camera in a different country on a different channel, the brotherhood of the traveling Polavision.
I "got my hands wet" with 4X5 film and processing when I worked for a photo portrait studio in the 1990's. The studio did school pictures, along with large group color pictures (graduating class with "school name/date" text overlay) with Vericolor-S film lit by portable, generator-powered studio strobes. (Black-and-white prints were made for school yearbooks with panchromatic printing paper.) Copy work was done via Polaroid or 4X5 Plus-X Pan for "funeral or renewal of vows pictures." Black-and white sheet film was "dip and dunk" processed in D-76 in total darkness. 120 and 135 film was also a "dip and dunk" exercise, quite a difference from my "daylight bathroom film processing" of previous years. The "large rubber tank" of D-76 was replenished on the usual schedule, and fixer activity was monitored with Hypo Chek. It helped that this was an air conditioned darkroom, where film drying was much faster than at home. Note: Vericolor and other color negative film was sent to a local professional color lab.
Large format!!! Thanks a lot merci beaucoup 多謝 grazie!
Great video ✨✨
Cool video. Shooting the old film is like shooting with a Holga, sometimes it works out in a weird way.
Cosmic rays on the edges? That blew my mind when I discovered that. ha ha.
Jamie Maldonado I think they are spirit orbs.... lol
Nice work and i like the fact you seem to have captured Slenderman at 19:45 in front of the middle distance tree...!! :-P
Love your Paul Simon shirt!
Awesome!
I like your sekonic studio deluxe III. Good taste.
I've found that 3 or 4 drops of benzotriazole in HC-110 Dil. b did a lot to control the fog on outdated film.
This is going to sound much harder than it is, but what I did is get the width of the film part in the middle and get a piece glass cut to the same size as the bed minus the width of the middle part. Then you can put the 4x5 on the glass, set up the scanner, then slide the glass over. If it's the right width the first scan your top glass is registered against the left side of the scanner and the second scan it's registered against the right side of the scanner. It works so much better than what you are doing
your apt/house looks exactly like i imagine a film fanatics apt/house would.
I have some 3x4 Kodak Plus-X pan from Jan 1971. That came with the camera my grandma gave me, a 3x4 anniversary addition speed graphic. Really curious to see how this goes. I also found 2 sheets already in one of the holders, and I don’t know if it has already been exposed. Soooo, that will be fun to figure out!
Great video! I know times are a little weird at the moment, but I would love to see another roll review, maybe Fuji Velvia?
Hmmm maybe a roll review from a past roll I’ve shot? Time to go through my binders and see what I can feature!
Sounds good to me!
If you have a macro lens you can use that one to scan. Just use negative lab pro and they will be perfect. :)
I need a 4x5 system so badly
Another fun video bud....!! Keep cranking them out... anybody know where to get some projector belts? Just got my first super 8 projector,, and it seems to be missing one belt.... it’s a gaf 2588-z.... with awesome wood grain.... and it came with a super 8 camera.... so now I just need to order some film!! So stoked.... Noah.... can’t wait to see how the polavision turns out...
The fact that Noah puts stuff out even with covid, he's awesome.
I have a question about your 620 video though. When you did it, did you reroll your own, and if so how did you do it without tearing the backing paper? I have to use metal spools, and it seems my paper rips
Maybe this can help you
www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiFmdSN9tzoAhWULc0KHY0rA6cQwqsBMAB6BAgKEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DB3TnTWFlOos&usg=AOvVaw3d-PpLg6QPkqC_wS2cudOM
The white spots might not be bad parts of the film. They could be from air bubbles in the dev solution. You need to let a fresh batch of developer sit for at least 20 minutes before you use it. Otherwise, the dev is well aerated and bubbles will form on the negative during development. I did not see you let it sit on camera, so I'm assuming you didn't and used it immediately, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Good note! I’ve definitely had better results with this stuff before, but there’s typically some sorts of artifacts or something on it. Time to do some more in depth tests
I wonder if making a print in the dark room and then scanning that with a flatbed scanner would yield better results.
I personally don't have a flatbed scanner that's capable of film scanning, but the thought crossed my mind that if I made a print, maybe a matte print, then that might scan well.
A cheaper printing method would be Cyanotype where you press it against the print paper covered in the chemical then you let it brighten up in the sun and then scan it. It takes time to get good at but it’s like 50 prints for $15
you can put the negative under the tray (or use no tray like me) so it dosent bow in the middle (gotta make sure the film is flat though i press mine in a book for a couple days)
i see you have the entire sienfield set. v nice
i use a 9000fii and no tray; i put gaff tape marking the outside of the scan area. on the black film tray tray, you’ll see a little open area with a 🚫 on it. i tape a piece of unexposed film here on the scanner glass, and scan at color positive, so canons software doesn’t correct color or luma for me. what the piece of film does is tricks the scanner into correcting for the brown color of the negative (normally the area would be white). that way in photoshop when i invert the gamma, i don’t have to play around with color balance.
also i think the fuzziness might be from the vigorous inversion during the developer bath
I have a Graflex 4X5 Polaroid Land Camera back and a 120 for 4X5 but no camera...... time to get one...
You should make a video like this for regular 35mm for amateurs. Since labs are likely closed
I've got a good old Kodak 3A Special (rangefinder) which shot roll film that was 4¼ by 5½... I wonder if there's a way to use sheet film in it for absolutely massive negatives?
How is it that no one mentioned how uncool it is to dump chemicals into the sink?
I have been watching many of your videos and thought you might like to see some 50's REGULAR 8mm footage of my fathers "The Mario DeCristofaro 8mm project" these 50 ft reels have been in a shoe box for over 60 years and LOOK GREAT. Transferred with a Wolverine Pro HD telecine machine. Speed corrected to 16fps and edited on a Pinnacle Studio 23 NLE. Check em out I think you will find some of this footage interesting. Its shot mostly in and around L.I. New York 51-60ish. Pete DeCristofaro
#BASEFOG wow those negatives are dense! You should try cold processing at like 6 degrees Celsius
Try shooting 4x5 with a barrel lens from taylor and hobson or dallmeyer lens.. or Kodak commercial ektar lens.. I havent seen anybody make video using those lenses ..
I’d Loooove more lenses for the 4x5!
If it is a Crown there is no rear shutter so a lens cap and long exposure with a barrel.
For a film that is when I just Art school in the mid to late 70's What ISO or ASA did you shot this outdated film - ISO 8?
So from scanning is causing the artifacts/blemishes Or developing? Thanks!
FIrst of all, great content as usual. I'm gonna ask a question here, hoping that someone will be able to help me with a possibly exciting discovery.
I just acquired a 4x5 plate camera from the early 1900's. I joyfully discovered that one of the backs provided with the camera is an Agfa Filmpack holder, with an actual Agfa Isochrom 4x5 filmpack inside, patented as of July 1926. Even more surprising is the fact that three pictures inside this 100 years old film pack were shot. Now my quest is to manage to develop those three images in order to retrieve what could be treasure. The film has a Scheiner sensitivity of 28°, which should translate to around 50 to 65 ISO, as far as I was able to research. Does anyone have any suggestion on the developing of this beauty? Expecially on the timing. A good thing is that there are 8 more exposures to take, that I can use to test the results before developing those three old pictures. I am aware that shooting the film now is completely different than the three shots taken when the film was good, but I was thinking of trying different degrees of overexposure or overdeveloping on those 8 fresh shots. Any suggestion is appreciated! I will home develop the film in trays, since my Paterson tank is not big enough for the system showed in the video. It is Orthochromatic film though, so I will be able to keep the red light on at least.
Thanks to anyone that will want to help me on this exciting journey. For deeper conversations about this, you could also contact me at contact@giacomolenzi.com, but feel free to just use the youtube comments.
Stay safe everyone!
Which 4x5 camera do you recommend as an entry level?
A monorail you can get cheap on ebay is probably the best way to go, though it's worth asking if it actually has all the parts. The problem with 5x4 is more you need a lot of stuff to go along with it, some things are nice to have but not vital, others, such as dark slides, you do really need. It's a bit of a rabbit hole.
I was able to buy a Graflex Speed Graphic setup (camera and holders) for about $250. They are simple to use, and relatively cheap. If you are willing to go to about $350, you should have a complete setup (in almost perfect condition) with the holders, and another $100 will get you a developing tank and reel. However, the developing tank and reel are not necessary to start off with if you tray develop (you’ll need a pitch black room and lots of patience for that), or can send the film off to someone else. It is an especially expensive subset of photography, but an especially fun one.
I hope this was helpful, and best of luck getting into 4x5 photography.
Intrepid Camera. They are new 3d printed 4x5 cameras with new materials. And they are cheap. It's the best option out there because you know it's gonna work
what real do you use? I'm thinking of getting into 4x5 and it would be nice to know what development real to get
Isn't that the guy from Men in black II, from the video-shop?
For a film that is when I just Art school in the mid to late 70's What ISO or ASA did you shot this outdated film - ISO 8? I hope that you slightly over develop to handle the fogging method for such an old film. It maybe light leak but that is Base Fogging on the film. I would re fix it for another 2 minutes looks like that the borders or clear edges are not clear...I have a Canoscan too as you said it will not cover a full 4x5 neg, so I would have to cropped in the camera, and WA-LA the scans are done by saving the image. It's too bad that Canon has stop making 9000F Hi Res film scanners any more Thank You Canon- it is to save up to get a Epson.... Will remember you Canon, and Nikon for killing the scanner line.... But I have to say is this THANK YOU, I wish more people experience what it is like shooting Large Format film, Good video MORE MORE MORE...
Look up the 4x5 film holder by 20th Century Camera. Way better than the MOD system.
So here's my dilemma; I have many found 35 mm slides as well as WWII era odd size negatives (2x3, 6x9 4x5) along with my own negatives that I wish to archive. What is going to be a good scanning option if I cannot afford something like an Epson flatbed at this time?
For 35mm you could pickup a cheaper scanner that does them quick and gets the job done if you're just looking for little files and the ability to have digital copies of them. Something like a Magnasonic scanner or a Kodak Scanza. The quality won't knock your socks off, but it will let you go through things and maybe help you pick out the ones that you would want to send into a lab and get transferred in higher quality. 2x3, 6x9 and 4x5 is really limiting for home scanning because flatbed scanners are some of the only ones that can handle things like that. The alternative is to send them to lab or transfer place that has the ability to scan them.
Ok, since two years i've started to switch back from hi-end DSLR to shoot Polaroids. Then i started to shoot color film again, always on film SLR (BTW I'm a photographer). AND NOW... you're ticklin' me to shot with my Mamiya 645 Pro TL, b/w film and develop it at home? like when i was in high school..? Grrrrr! It was all because of your video, amongst the others i watch. One question: i'm realizing that 95% of analog/film youtube channel are from Canada... Do you know why or can give me some explication?
Anyway, keep on with the great job, and cheers from Rome, Italy
Alex
Does some Graflex have some flashes mounted on it ?
Yup you can get old side mounted flash units for them! They became pretty popular because a certain mode was used to create the lightsaber in the original Star Wars movies.
@@AnalogResurgence I'm kinda frustrated when I find a Graflex on a local antique shop
I feel like this would destroy your skin without proper protection
Is there any error on your studio lens since the edges is extremely out of focus despite looking to be at the same distance from the camera as the center?
It’s an old lens
A grafmatic on a tripod hurts my soul. You should be balancing on a tree branch shooting one handed with a grafmatic and a press camera.
That looks like an expensive camera! So -- without divulging the cost, would you consider that a significant investment -- even though it is not new?
I was lucky enough to pick the Graflex and the lens together up at a camera show a few years ago for very reasonable! The bigger investments are like tanks/holder to be able to develop at home if I want, a variety of 4x5 film holders so I can actually shoot the film and then in the future more lenses. The camera itself is really reliable so I've always been happy with it, I don't shoot enough 4x5 though to purchase a really high end camera
@@AnalogResurgence -- Lucky is right! I'd love to have a decently working 4x5 and 8x10 just to shoot every once in a while! If you send out large format negatives to be processed -- is there a light-tight case to put them in? Like 35mm is in the metal canister, 120/roll film is rolled on a spool with lots of layer of paper around it (and I wrap mine in aluminum foil before mailing). Considering everything, the scans came out very well -- and definitely the digital touch up of the contrast/fogging helped tremendously. Can you imagine what they would have looked like if you had just printed from the negatives "the old fashioned way"????
Hi Noah! Are you aware of 635?
I’m not sure? 635 what?
@@AnalogResurgence 635 film format like 135 but sold without casette.
Are you sure you can just dump the chemicals down the drain? 🧐🤨
Is anyone feeling anxious about the future of Kodak (and other mediums) post kovid19. Seems so many interruptions will make a lot of industry to close....
Nope, no worries. Kodak has Hollywood backing them and if Kodak were to fail, the Christopher Nolan's of Hollywood would be out of a Job because they refuse to shoot digital. Lomography would in big trouble, Their film is made by Kodak. And same story with Cinestill, their film is made by Kodak.
Covid 19 may harm the film industry but it will not kill it.
wow, girlfriend! My gaydar is obviously faulty.
Why do you develop your films in a kitchen, instead of bathroom? Pouring and mixing all the chemicals in the area where you prepare your food and wash your dishes is the worst idea ever (I've seen people doing C41 like this - what a unconcern).
www.photo.net/discuss/threads/processing-in-the-kitchen-dangerous.136610/
@@AnalogResurgence www.agarscientific.com/media/import/AGP9156_KODAK_HC-110_Developer_MSDS.pdf