Thunderbolt 5 coupled with an OWC Envoy Ultra SSD External Drive is the fasted external storage available for the M4 Pro Mac Mini. I am seeing sustained Write speeds of 5,500 MB/s and Read speeds of 5,000 MB/s, which is is the same ballpark as the internal SSD drive.
@Kayserjp Actually, IOPS values published by drive manufacturers are not reliably accurate. What really matters is what sustained real-world performance a user actually observes when using a drive. I am seeing sustained data transfers, both to my internal SSD and from the OWC drive and in the reverse direction, of over 5 GB/s both read and write. That is the fastest external drive performance I have ever seen.
Alway plug your main monitor directly to your Mac. Sometimes docks’ display connection couldn’t be recognised right away upon start up, or right after you wake up your Mac.
I use a M4 MacBook Pro and a CalDigit TS3 Plus and route the video through the dock. Haven’t seen any problem with display being recognized. Not that much of a power user.
I have 2 Studios displays attached to a CalDigit 4 - never had the slightest problem. I think the author meant you should not plug your monitor through a slow dock.
We’ve had endless issues with wake from sleep using Dell and Samsung (5k) monitors connected to various CalDigit, OWC and Belkin docks to Intel and Apple Silicon MacBook Airs / MacBook Pros going back many years. Where as connecting directly always wakes. YMMV.
I got a Kensington SD2600T Thunderbolt 4 Hub for $58 on Amazon this November. I use now just a cable to connect at my MacBook Pro M4Pro that goes to 2 - 4K LG Ultrafine monitors and one 4TB SSD. Everything goes smoothly. The best value that I found for my needs. I'm set for the next 2-3 years until Thunderbolt 5 hubs and accessories will go down in prices.
Two things that this new thunderbolt 5 brings is 1 us music production can actual work off the external ssd and 2 this hopefully lowers the prices on thunderbolt 4 devices.
Two main takeaways. There’s lots of Thunderbolt 5 devices coming which is great, but don’t jump too early. A caldigit ts4 is still a great expansion option that may be found cheaper now. I’m a little surprised at the lack of speed in that Acasis doc. I guess some of the bandwidth has been set aside for the other ports?
The speed on the enclosure is fine, but the ports on both no matter which drive I try are so much slower than any of my thunderbolt 4 docks. I'm kind of wondering if that's why we've seen so many delays with some of these other TB5 hubs/docks that were announced at CES 2024 that haven't materialized yet - wondering if this is something they're trying to find a solution for, because as it stands right now, it really doesn't provide any benefit just strictly looking at port speed.
@@KyleErickson #1, are you plugging in quality TB3 enclosures like the ones from Sonnettech? #2, did you try the speed test WITHOUT a display plugged into the hub? In my experience, it's always the display that hogs bandwidth and slows down the SSDs to 1/3 speed.
Same, I have cabletime dock that outputs on a 49'' Led Display + 32'' 4K + 2 external HD + 1 external SSD (Thunderbolt) from 16'' MBP M1 , and the dock gets hot if I put NVMe inside it, so I took it out, but the interesting figure you didn't go through is that All of these docks only give 2.5 Gb/s ethernet output while the thunderbolt goes 10Gb/s output network. That means that on my 10Gb/s network, I still need a to find docking station that handles a 10Gb/s Ethernet port , and not 2.5 Gb/s
Regarding speed. I suspect your issue with random slow speeds is a behaviour like Thunderbolt four behaves. Because Thunderbolt four is designed at best to fully support usb4, as well as Thunderbolt4 protocols. Sometimes on connection the connected thunderbolt4 device defaults to behaving like a usb4 device. But then you can encounter the Mac issue of usb randomly defaulting to lower bandwidth versions of usb. Thus Thunderbolt 5 devices during the initial handshake phase may be defaulting to USB3.x, or even usb1.2 rather than Thunderbolt. So when I connect my Hyperdrive nvme thunderbolt4/usb4 caddy I always either check in About this System in the Apple menu, or run blackmagic’s disk speed test. Then eject/ reconnect the drive until it behaves correctly as a Thunderbolt4 device. After all it is extremely frustrating editing 6k BRaw video off of a media device that randomly behaves like a USBx device. 867MB/s video does not play well with usb2.0 or even usb3.1. Worse yet it seems to work on solid 10GB usb connections for general editing, but will randomly fail when you begin to grade.
With respect, you could have added "in 2024" to a lot of this content. I have just bought a maxed out (apart from storage) Mac Pro Mini... and I am hoping to get many, many years of use out of it. During that envisaged lifetime, I suspect TB5 will be useful. I certainly feel that TB5 makes the case for not having to spend a lot of money on storage for M4 machines but using external storage. As you know, sometimes we buy models and configurations with "future proofing" in mind! ;)
People usually use MacBooks for more than 5 years Go back 5 years ago and compare USB 3.0 to Thunderbolt 4 nowadays! And in 5 years from now you will come back to this video and laugh at this conclusion! Thunderbolt 5 is necessary for next years
This. Not much supporting T5 so overstated spec? Except in the not so distant future this will be the standard. Don’t really get it. *also fyi Apple actually first introduced thunderbolt in 2013 with T2.
It’s because you have the monitors connected and are sharing the bandwidth. Which means, those docks are not good. I had the same issue with an older dock. But, When I connected my external drive directly to the Mac mini I got great speeds (The ssd I just bought is the Samsung 990 EVO Plus).
Currently it makes a reasonable difference with a Thunderbolt 5 drive in the medium to longer term it make a massive difference, your review is a look back rather than a look forward!
Quite ironic that you have "Don't waste your money in the title yet your sponsor is charging $62Cdn A MONTH ?!?!?! That is just INSANE !!! There are about a million BETTER sites for less than one tenth of this !! Utterly ridiculous pricing structure honestly
I honestly found their platform quite fun. You're free to not buy it if you feel that way, it's not that serious - there are bigger problems in the world my man
There is no difference :/ You barely would tell the difference between SATA and NVMe drive just using it causally. The difference is in marketing materials.
What is the main reason for thunderbolt? I’ve been using an usb c cord to connect my studio to a display. Would getting a thunderbolt change things drastically?
USB is a standard with many could be supported, Thunderbolt requires that all capabilities are supported. You just know, a Thunderbolt cable supports high speed transfer, charging and DP-Alt mode for display connection. A random USB 4 cable could support that as well, but you have no easy way to see what is supported until you try it out.
what's the spec of your display? The thunderbolt cable also looks the same as a usbc cable. It just has a lightening (storm, lightening strike) symbol on it. The thunderbolt cable has a much greater bandwidth but it will only make a difference if the hardware you're using requires that bandwidth.
An excellent video! I truly appreciate this report! The FOMO was strong when the M4 came out, but my M1 and Thunderbolt 3 setup is STILL more than fast enough for everything I can throw at it. Wanting...but not NEEDING...to upgrade one of my M1 Mac Minis to that delicious M4 Mac Mini (or M4 Pro Mini), I needed to know what you think of that Thunderbolt 5 port. Having moved my home folder, apps, and data to an external NVME drive in a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure on one of my M1 Macs...and not really perceiving much of a speed reduction...I'd say I don't even need a Thunderbolt 4, much less a Thunderbolt 5 device. Thank you for keeping me from buying unnecessary gear!
I'm happy with my thunderbolt 4 on my m3 MacBook Air. I think no drive can reach that speed anyway it will probably take for ever to reach even 40gb per section transfer speed.
Not sure which MBP you are asking about, but I have two Studios displays attached to my MBP M2Pro through a CalDigit TS4, and it works fine open or closed.
Kyle, I have an M4 Pro MBP hooked up to a 5k studio display. I am about to decide on a TB4 dock, and Hyper has a great sale right now, and so I am about to get that one. My only concern is, after researching, the TB speed is shared throughout all devices hooked up to the dock. As an example, the HyperDrive dock has one upstream TB port (for the connection to the display) and two downstream TB ports. Does my upstream port affect the bandwidth of the downstream ports? Also, if not, I plan to hook up a SSD via TB4 and then two older SSDs via two 10gb/s ports. Will my speed be limited due to connecting all these devices? (Edit: BTW, I have the same Hyper TB4 enclosure in my cart; it is also on a great sale! That is what I'm going to use for my work projects since I bought the base model MacBook w/512gb of storage.)
Sorry for jumping in, but TB4 has an overall bandwidth of 40Gb/s meaning 20 per channel. The dock should be designed in a way that the TB’s work on their own and the other ports 10Gb/s are split over several segments, 2 or 3 depending on how many ports you have on the hub. You will never max out a properly designed hub. Look at CalDigit TS4, wonderful interior design. Connected SSD’s is not the same as how much data is being read/written at the same time.
Hi! I’m looking for recommendations on a Thunderbolt or USB hub. I need one that supports 4K at 120Hz, is bus-powered (not reliant on a charger), supports 140W pass-through, and has an enclosure option for an SSD to use directly with an iPhone for live ProRes video editing (high-speed SSD required). It should also have SD card slots. Portability is key. What are the best options currently available in the market? Thanks!
T5 is great if you want to shift things like applications and run them from there instead of on-board hell you can even run your mac directly off of it with little to no penalty as long as you always have your Mac connect to it.
the concern is over what? you have to buy the bigger better cpu/gpu combo, to get Thunderbolt 5, well it will be more useful, in the long run. i rather be future proof, and have a more powerful M4 wich does show night and day, improvement. Normies don't need thunderbolt at all, usb c drives gear, are just fine for them.
from what I can tell only the higher end MacBook Pros have Thunderbolt 5 ports, so to even get those transfer speeds you would need one. But usking a Mac Studio or Mac Mini its only capible of thunderbolt 4 speeds as thats what the port is designed to do. Unless you have a macbook pro 2024 that says thunderbolt 5 then its not worth it fr, I understand the cable is backwards compatible but if your gonna get the thunderbolt 5 cable just to do thunderbolt 4 speeds then stick with thunderbolt 4.... Or am I wrong??? Also can someone explain to me why the Apple Thunderbolt 5 cable is like $80 for 1meter (3 feet or so) while from OWC or CalDigit its like $20-$30? This does not make sense, why $80 for 1 cable.....
On paper it’s neat to see such high storage speeds. In real world usage it’s questionable if the speed advantage is really worth it. I feel like the industry has this obsession with faster drive speeds but realistically after a certain point that extra speed isn’t likely going to make a huge difference in our lives. It really comes down to time and most of us are not that crunched for time to really make a difference. If a file transfers in 30 seconds vs 60 seconds likely isn’t going to make or break or ability to get work done. Very few of us are on that level of a time crunch for any of this to really matter. At a certain point higher speed is really more about bragging rights than nothing else. As a video editor I will say there are use cases to have higher speed. My point is that it impacts n exceptionally tiny sliver of the population. Normal 4K and even compressed 8k video does not need speed past a certain point. Raw uncompressed speed and trying to work with four layers of those hefty formats will need more speed. The amount of people needing that is exceptionally small. What is really nice about TB5 is connecting multiple devices. TB4 only has so much bandwidth to use and hooking up two or more TB4 drives means each will share that bandwidth if used at the same time. In those situations we had to make sure we used each fast TB4 drive on its own TB4 bus. Now with TB5 there might be enough bandwidth there to use two or three TB4 drives and not lose any speed on each. As long as the hub they are connected to is using TB5. That’s a lot of expense but essentially it’s a massive pipe for future proofing. We are very unlikely to hook up a device that saturates the entire bandwidth of the port. With a hub you really can extend a single TB5 port/bus into the same bandwidth of three TB4 ports. So it’s kind of like having 9 TB4 ports with just 3 TB5 ports and a TB5 hub on each port. We are no longer limited by bandwidth constraints of TB4 getting saturated easily. For example I use a video I/O device hooked up to TB4. That’s is a full TB4 bandwidth device that saturates that entire TB4 bus. On TB5 it will now only potentially eat up 1/3 of the bandwidth. That means that single bus still has bandwidth left for other devices and I don’t reserve a single bus/port for just that one device. I can cram a lot more hubs and devices on a single bus than I could before which helps free up more physical ports for other devices.
Thunderbolt 4 cannot be fast the same as internal storage.Do a basic math. 40gbps of a spec speed is 5GB/s, but actually for data transfers (like an external NVME)would be available 32.5,so it is 4 GB/s of a bandwidth. Real-world performance of TB4 enclosures would be at 3.5GB/s top, that is twice lower than internal MacBook Pro drive
Please disable the shitty auto translation. The title and description are bs and the voice is terrible. Yeah, I know I can change it, but if I let autoplay run, it's really annoying to change it on the TV.
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Thunderbolt 5 coupled with an OWC Envoy Ultra SSD External Drive is the fasted external storage available for the M4 Pro Mac Mini. I am seeing sustained Write speeds of 5,500 MB/s and Read speeds of 5,000 MB/s, which is is the same ballpark as the internal SSD drive.
IOPS is the only number which matters
@Kayserjp Actually, IOPS values published by drive manufacturers are not reliably accurate. What really matters is what sustained real-world performance a user actually observes when using a drive. I am seeing sustained data transfers, both to my internal SSD and from the OWC drive and in the reverse direction, of over 5 GB/s both read and write. That is the fastest external drive performance I have ever seen.
Alway plug your main monitor directly to your Mac. Sometimes docks’ display connection couldn’t be recognised right away upon start up, or right after you wake up your Mac.
Agreed - wake from sleep is a constant frustration when using a dock.
I use a M4 MacBook Pro and a CalDigit TS3 Plus and route the video through the dock. Haven’t seen any problem with display being recognized. Not that much of a power user.
I have 2 Studios displays attached to a CalDigit 4 - never had the slightest problem. I think the author meant you should not plug your monitor through a slow dock.
We’ve had endless issues with wake from sleep using Dell and Samsung (5k) monitors connected to various CalDigit, OWC and Belkin docks to Intel and Apple Silicon MacBook Airs / MacBook Pros going back many years. Where as connecting directly always wakes. YMMV.
@@cmscssmy specific setup that hasn’t given me a problem is: MacBook Pro M4, CalDigit TS3 Plus and Apple Studio Display.
I got a Kensington SD2600T Thunderbolt 4 Hub for $58 on Amazon this November.
I use now just a cable to connect at my MacBook Pro M4Pro that goes to 2 - 4K LG Ultrafine monitors and one 4TB SSD.
Everything goes smoothly.
The best value that I found for my needs.
I'm set for the next 2-3 years until Thunderbolt 5 hubs and accessories will go down in prices.
Congratulations on 100K!!!! I really appreciate all the effort and great information you guys provide!
Thanks so much!
It’s about headroom for chaining multiple (thunderbolt 3 or 4 or usb c ss20) devices
Two things that this new thunderbolt 5 brings is 1 us music production can actual work off the external ssd and 2 this hopefully lowers the prices on thunderbolt 4 devices.
Dude please do more FCP editing/color grading tutorials. Your stuff is so clean
Your transition is crazy. Wow 👌
Two main takeaways. There’s lots of Thunderbolt 5 devices coming which is great, but don’t jump too early.
A caldigit ts4 is still a great expansion option that may be found cheaper now.
I’m a little surprised at the lack of speed in that Acasis doc. I guess some of the bandwidth has been set aside for the other ports?
The speed on the enclosure is fine, but the ports on both no matter which drive I try are so much slower than any of my thunderbolt 4 docks. I'm kind of wondering if that's why we've seen so many delays with some of these other TB5 hubs/docks that were announced at CES 2024 that haven't materialized yet - wondering if this is something they're trying to find a solution for, because as it stands right now, it really doesn't provide any benefit just strictly looking at port speed.
@@KyleEricksonwhat file system have you formatted the NVME’s to?
Acasis are also currently selling a TB5 enclosure without a doc.
@@KyleErickson #1, are you plugging in quality TB3 enclosures like the ones from Sonnettech? #2, did you try the speed test WITHOUT a display plugged into the hub? In my experience, it's always the display that hogs bandwidth and slows down the SSDs to 1/3 speed.
Except TB enclosures are more expensive than drives they hold.....
Same, I have cabletime dock that outputs on a 49'' Led Display + 32'' 4K + 2 external HD + 1 external SSD (Thunderbolt) from 16'' MBP M1 , and the dock gets hot if I put NVMe inside it, so I took it out, but the interesting figure you didn't go through is that All of these docks only give 2.5 Gb/s ethernet output while the thunderbolt goes 10Gb/s output network. That means that on my 10Gb/s network, I still need a to find docking station that handles a 10Gb/s Ethernet port , and not 2.5 Gb/s
Thanks for another honest and informative review, they help me make better decisions about my tech purchases.
Nice job!
Buy (or not) the one that brings you joy. I like having some nice things.
Happy Holidays!
Regarding speed. I suspect your issue with random slow speeds is a behaviour like Thunderbolt four behaves.
Because Thunderbolt four is designed at best to fully support usb4, as well as Thunderbolt4 protocols. Sometimes on connection the connected thunderbolt4 device defaults to behaving like a usb4 device. But then you can encounter the Mac issue of usb randomly defaulting to lower bandwidth versions of usb. Thus Thunderbolt 5 devices during the initial handshake phase may be defaulting to USB3.x, or even usb1.2 rather than Thunderbolt.
So when I connect my Hyperdrive nvme thunderbolt4/usb4 caddy I always either check in About this System in the Apple menu, or run blackmagic’s disk speed test. Then eject/ reconnect the drive until it behaves correctly as a Thunderbolt4 device. After all it is extremely frustrating editing 6k BRaw video off of a media device that randomly behaves like a USBx device. 867MB/s video does not play well with usb2.0 or even usb3.1. Worse yet it seems to work on solid 10GB usb connections for general editing, but will randomly fail when you begin to grade.
I'm not sure if that's the case here, but that's incredibly valuable info!
With respect, you could have added "in 2024" to a lot of this content. I have just bought a maxed out (apart from storage) Mac Pro Mini... and I am hoping to get many, many years of use out of it. During that envisaged lifetime, I suspect TB5 will be useful. I certainly feel that TB5 makes the case for not having to spend a lot of money on storage for M4 machines but using external storage. As you know, sometimes we buy models and configurations with "future proofing" in mind! ;)
I’ve always followed your recommendations and I have never gone wrong.
People usually use MacBooks for more than 5 years
Go back 5 years ago and compare USB 3.0 to Thunderbolt 4 nowadays!
And in 5 years from now you will come back to this video and laugh at this conclusion!
Thunderbolt 5 is necessary for next years
This. Not much supporting T5 so overstated spec? Except in the not so distant future this will be the standard. Don’t really get it.
*also fyi Apple actually first introduced thunderbolt in 2013 with T2.
The m4 max 16" uses 120+W in gaming loads... so a 140W USB-c USB-PD power is definitely necessary if you plan on pushing the M4 Max!
It’s because you have the monitors connected and are sharing the bandwidth. Which means, those docks are not good. I had the same issue with an older dock. But, When I connected my external drive directly to the Mac mini I got great speeds (The ssd I just bought is the Samsung 990 EVO Plus).
that's without any monitors connected
The remake of the very popular video you made before. 🙌🏽
I ll be back to watch this later
Currently it makes a reasonable difference with a Thunderbolt 5 drive in the medium to longer term it make a massive difference, your review is a look back rather than a look forward!
Quite ironic that you have "Don't waste your money in the title yet your sponsor is charging $62Cdn A MONTH ?!?!?! That is just INSANE !!! There are about a million BETTER sites for less than one tenth of this !! Utterly ridiculous pricing structure honestly
I honestly found their platform quite fun. You're free to not buy it if you feel that way, it's not that serious - there are bigger problems in the world my man
@@KyleEricksonnice, not only you are not addressing the very valid comment from a member of YOUR audience, you are condescending. Big L.
@@joaquimley Pretty common on YT
I wonder if a DIY NAS with a thunderbolt Network Bridge could be a good solution. I could combine nvnes with mechanical inside the NAS
I am interested in comparisons of Thunderbolt 4 vs 5 performance of a Parallels virtual Windows 11 machine running from an external drive.
There is no difference :/ You barely would tell the difference between SATA and NVMe drive just using it causally. The difference is in marketing materials.
What is the main reason for thunderbolt? I’ve been using an usb c cord to connect my studio to a display. Would getting a thunderbolt change things drastically?
USB is a standard with many could be supported, Thunderbolt requires that all capabilities are supported. You just know, a Thunderbolt cable supports high speed transfer, charging and DP-Alt mode for display connection. A random USB 4 cable could support that as well, but you have no easy way to see what is supported until you try it out.
what's the spec of your display? The thunderbolt cable also looks the same as a usbc cable. It just has a lightening (storm, lightening strike) symbol on it. The thunderbolt cable has a much greater bandwidth but it will only make a difference if the hardware you're using requires that bandwidth.
@ I’m using the LG 4k Ultra Fine 27 inch model number is 27UN850-W
An excellent video! I truly appreciate this report! The FOMO was strong when the M4 came out, but my M1 and Thunderbolt 3 setup is STILL more than fast enough for everything I can throw at it.
Wanting...but not NEEDING...to upgrade one of my M1 Mac Minis to that delicious M4 Mac Mini (or M4 Pro Mini), I needed to know what you think of that Thunderbolt 5 port.
Having moved my home folder, apps, and data to an external NVME drive in a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure on one of my M1 Macs...and not really perceiving much of a speed reduction...I'd say I don't even need a Thunderbolt 4, much less a Thunderbolt 5 device.
Thank you for keeping me from buying unnecessary gear!
What's that ram/cpu/ssd app in the menu bar? Any good?
I'm happy with my thunderbolt 4 on my m3 MacBook Air. I think no drive can reach that speed anyway it will probably take for ever to reach even 40gb per section transfer speed.
Has someone already tested if MBP would support 3 external monitors like Mac Mini when lid closed?
Good question
Not sure which MBP you are asking about, but I have two Studios displays attached to my MBP M2Pro through a CalDigit TS4, and it works fine open or closed.
How did you get Acasis TBU501 model? This is what I'm looking for, enclosure + extra USB-C only in front.
Kyle, I have an M4 Pro MBP hooked up to a 5k studio display. I am about to decide on a TB4 dock, and Hyper has a great sale right now, and so I am about to get that one. My only concern is, after researching, the TB speed is shared throughout all devices hooked up to the dock. As an example, the HyperDrive dock has one upstream TB port (for the connection to the display) and two downstream TB ports. Does my upstream port affect the bandwidth of the downstream ports? Also, if not, I plan to hook up a SSD via TB4 and then two older SSDs via two 10gb/s ports. Will my speed be limited due to connecting all these devices? (Edit: BTW, I have the same Hyper TB4 enclosure in my cart; it is also on a great sale! That is what I'm going to use for my work projects since I bought the base model MacBook w/512gb of storage.)
Sorry for jumping in, but TB4 has an overall bandwidth of 40Gb/s meaning 20 per channel. The dock should be designed in a way that the TB’s work on their own and the other ports 10Gb/s are split over several segments, 2 or 3 depending on how many ports you have on the hub. You will never max out a properly designed hub. Look at CalDigit TS4, wonderful interior design. Connected SSD’s is not the same as how much data is being read/written at the same time.
Really! I thought this was the future......
It is
@@xray2785 So I'll continue to use my TB4 enclosures and included SSDs until the end of their life. After that I'll look for TB5 peripherals.
what is the name/make of the grey/yellow t-shirt you got on ?
Hi! I’m looking for recommendations on a Thunderbolt or USB hub. I need one that supports 4K at 120Hz, is bus-powered (not reliant on a charger), supports 140W pass-through, and has an enclosure option for an SSD to use directly with an iPhone for live ProRes video editing (high-speed SSD required). It should also have SD card slots. Portability is key. What are the best options currently available in the market? Thanks!
Its like having a speed limit of 400 mph on a freeway. (there are no cars able to go that fast)
A couple pcs and tb5 pcie cards have been around to.
I hope they work in mac pros
well, unless someone release a 5k120hz display, no need for thunderbolt 5 imo
I guess that’s what Apple is going to release soon. New Studio Display with 5k120hz is what I’d like to buy
@@dmitrygavrikov7178 yes, and I expect a Thunderbolt 5 port on the next base Mac mini, for now it's exclusive to the pro chip.
T5 is great if you want to shift things like applications and run them from there instead of on-board hell you can even run your mac directly off of it with little to no penalty as long as you always have your Mac connect to it.
No 6k and 8k first
@@dmitrygavrikov7178ah that’s not much. I run 4k display at 144 for the last 2 years. Maybe 8k at 144 would need TB5
Any technology that can't be utilized consider useless or overkill
What's a good device for Time Machine on my mac mini pro?
HDMI 2.2 is on its way too
Pci 5 is already out. That means it has 160gb per second
I like your accent. 😊
Did you try a pci 5 nvme deive? You tried a pci 4 drive. Of course it’s not going to get much faster.
the concern is over what? you have to buy the bigger better cpu/gpu combo, to get Thunderbolt 5, well it will be more useful, in the long run. i rather be future proof, and have a more powerful M4 wich does show night and day, improvement. Normies don't need thunderbolt at all, usb c drives gear, are just fine for them.
from what I can tell only the higher end MacBook Pros have Thunderbolt 5 ports, so to even get those transfer speeds you would need one. But usking a Mac Studio or Mac Mini its only capible of thunderbolt 4 speeds as thats what the port is designed to do. Unless you have a macbook pro 2024 that says thunderbolt 5 then its not worth it fr, I understand the cable is backwards compatible but if your gonna get the thunderbolt 5 cable just to do thunderbolt 4 speeds then stick with thunderbolt 4.... Or am I wrong??? Also can someone explain to me why the Apple Thunderbolt 5 cable is like $80 for 1meter (3 feet or so) while from OWC or CalDigit its like $20-$30? This does not make sense, why $80 for 1 cable.....
Thunderbolt 5 means 120hz 5k+ displays are now possible and probably right around the corner.
THIS. Apple isn’t doing this for external SSDs - this is all about 5K 120 Hz (ProMotion) for the new Studio and Pro displays.
On paper it’s neat to see such high storage speeds. In real world usage it’s questionable if the speed advantage is really worth it.
I feel like the industry has this obsession with faster drive speeds but realistically after a certain point that extra speed isn’t likely going to make a huge difference in our lives. It really comes down to time and most of us are not that crunched for time to really make a difference. If a file transfers in 30 seconds vs 60 seconds likely isn’t going to make or break or ability to get work done. Very few of us are on that level of a time crunch for any of this to really matter.
At a certain point higher speed is really more about bragging rights than nothing else.
As a video editor I will say there are use cases to have higher speed. My point is that it impacts n exceptionally tiny sliver of the population. Normal 4K and even compressed 8k video does not need speed past a certain point. Raw uncompressed speed and trying to work with four layers of those hefty formats will need more speed. The amount of people needing that is exceptionally small.
What is really nice about TB5 is connecting multiple devices. TB4 only has so much bandwidth to use and hooking up two or more TB4 drives means each will share that bandwidth if used at the same time. In those situations we had to make sure we used each fast TB4 drive on its own TB4 bus. Now with TB5 there might be enough bandwidth there to use two or three TB4 drives and not lose any speed on each. As long as the hub they are connected to is using TB5.
That’s a lot of expense but essentially it’s a massive pipe for future proofing. We are very unlikely to hook up a device that saturates the entire bandwidth of the port. With a hub you really can extend a single TB5 port/bus into the same bandwidth of three TB4 ports. So it’s kind of like having 9 TB4 ports with just 3 TB5 ports and a TB5 hub on each port. We are no longer limited by bandwidth constraints of TB4 getting saturated easily.
For example I use a video I/O device hooked up to TB4. That’s is a full TB4 bandwidth device that saturates that entire TB4 bus. On TB5 it will now only potentially eat up 1/3 of the bandwidth. That means that single bus still has bandwidth left for other devices and I don’t reserve a single bus/port for just that one device. I can cram a lot more hubs and devices on a single bus than I could before which helps free up more physical ports for other devices.
This is what confuses me, thunderbolt is Intel proprietary tech, so why is apple announcing it? So lost. Lol!
Thunderbolt 4 cannot be fast the same as internal storage.Do a basic math. 40gbps of a spec speed is 5GB/s, but actually for data transfers (like an external NVME)would be available 32.5,so it is 4 GB/s of a bandwidth. Real-world performance of TB4 enclosures would be at 3.5GB/s top, that is twice lower than internal MacBook Pro drive
no-one researching and buying TB5 storage will NOT notice the difference in speed
No one who hasn’t seen this comment will not understand what u aren’t trying to not say…
You've got your bits and bytes mixed up....
Thunderbolt 4 is the submarine and Thunderbolt 5 is the space station.
mac is always in the future. often to far ahead.
Please disable the shitty auto translation. The title and description are bs and the voice is terrible.
Yeah, I know I can change it, but if I let autoplay run, it's really annoying to change it on the TV.