There are two common controllers used in these enclosures: JHL7440, an Intel Thunderbolt 3 controller; and ASM2464/2464PD, an USB4 controller. For ASM2464/2464PD the enclosure must have enough cooling, either with a fan or with a very big heat sink, like OWC’s 1M2. JHL7440 runs way cooler so whether having a fan or not doesn’t matter too much. ASM2464/2464PD offers better sequential reads/writes, but this doesn’t matter too much since random reads/writes are more important for day to day usage, and it’s very drive dependent so no clear winner here. Get an SSD with DRAM will help on random reads/writes and response times.
@@craigneidelYeah cables are a major factor too. My ASM2464PD USB4 enclosure when connected to an old Intel Mac’s Thunderbolt 3 port with a USB4 cable was only recognised as half speed Thunderbolt 3, and when I switched to a Thunderbolt 3 cable it restored to full speed. Also my enclosure has a smart fan, it will adjust its RPM based on the drive’s temperature.
What chips do the cheaper ones have that you can get for $15-35? Why is it worth it to spend $100 plus? I’ve got an m3 Mac and thinking of getting a WD black 850x because I want 8TB.
Good discussion on this topic, Craig. Very few UA-cam videos test for heat throttling when comparing enclosures. One I watched tested the enclosures (and SSD) with an infrared gun to get actual temperatures after loading a massive set of files. It revealed the passive drive throttled to about half speed. I believe the SSD temp reached about 70 degrees C. The fan-cooled drive did not throttle under the same conditions and the SSD was about 35 degrees C (big difference). The SSD will get warm even if it's not reading/writing so long as it's connected to the computer. Getting different speeds with different enclosures and SSD's is interesting but I agree with you, in the real world, it makes very little difference. It's easy to get "hung up" over numbers. We all do it.
Thanks for watching the video. Yes, I just wanted people to take a few key points away from it. One of them being that the difference of a few hundred MB/s isn't going to be noticed.
Passive enclosures get hotter and in some cases causes thermal throttling of the ssd dropping the speed. Fans reduce the heat considerably in tests and keep the speed stable. Passive cooling under load the ssd gets around 60-70 degree, compared to 30-35 degrees on an enclosure with a fan.
I use a WD SN770 2tb ssd in an Acasis TBU-401 enclosure. Black Magic shows 2700-2800 read and write speeds. I havent done any in depth testing beyond that, but I am very happy with this setups.
You chose the right combination. I have Acasis 401 + Samsung 980 Pro and it is worthless as startup disk. It also runs very hot. For extra storage however it's good.
Thanks for a good practical review. You indeed make a good point that it really all boils down to a simple: 30s - 40s for your 1TB transfer test is Good! 🤓
Excellent and informative video, I learnt a lot. One major flaw that I can see; how does one do these tests and make a decision pre-purchase? Surely you need to have purchased a bunch of enclosures and SSDs in order to run the tests - I doubt that you would be able to send back the ones you don't want. Which leaves us back with watching great content like this and basing our purchase on the tests that you and others do on our behalf.
I'm only a single person so I just do the tests and then people can put together other data and make a determination. Yes, I test a bunch of these and use them and only the ones I use daily I can recommend for sure and even then I'm only one person as I don't test hundreds of the same unit. So overall it's just one thing to help people but not everything.
@@craigneidelAll things the same meaning TB 4 cable... Does different enclosures change the speed of the chip in black magic tests? Is that a testable thing? Just wondering because I have a Mac mini 4 and put like to grab an external enclosure soon...great tests on this video lots of real world info... Thanks a lot.
@ I chose this route even tho the drive is slower but I will be able to travel with the X9 Pro and record high quality footage on my iPhone directly to that ssd saving my internal storage on my iPhone
I used the WD SN770 2TB in an Orico's passive 40gps "Thunderbolt 3.0/4.0 compatible" enclosure and get a solid 3050-3100 gps on BlackMagic's software. Reading/Writing multi gig files was heating up- the enclosure quite a bit, so I added some copper heatsink spacers between the included heatsink and the enclusures cover to ensure good physical contact, and placed a small $10.00 desk fan so that it's airflow directly passed over the Orico fins and voila'- the enclosure remains around 5-7 degrees (if that) over room temperature:). Inexpensive, plenty of performance, dead simple. works for me, and I can even arrange everything so that I get a pleasant breeze while working :)
@@craigneidel I'm only following you briefly, but I really appreciate your willingness to answer questions. You're creating a great community. As I've witnessed many times before. 👏👏
Nice video. Have you tried using the SSDs with heatsinks to see if they work in these external enclosures? I was curious to see if they did better than the provided pads.
They normally don't fit drives with heatsink in them but I guess it comes down to how large the heaksink on the drives are. I normally use heat tape for the thermal control.
I have a USB-C enclosure and I got about 900 MBPS which is a great improvement from my older external SSDs but way below what's possible. It's a really cheap Orico enclosure. So 2000 and up would be really great. My transfers are up to about 70 GB but most are 600 MB to 6 GB which is why I'm just running with a slow solution. I'm in no hurry to upgrade my enclosure. I would not mind additional storage but that would also require getting a larger backup drive.
same, I got that cheep UGREEN enclosure with WD black and its barely giving me 900MB/S but with each games being 100gb these days I can still feel it being slow, I'm going to get a new NVME enclosure soon
Yes, you are on a 10 Gbps enclosure and not a Thunderbolt 4 (40 Gbps) enclosure so those speeds are normal for that. If you don't need the speed you most likely won't notice the upgrade too much.
Hey Craig, keep up the great work. Here’s a question I’ve not seen addressed… Are you saying the speed of an external drive only relates to transfer of data? The external drive has nothing to do with the speed of editing? For instance a faster external won’t speed up a Final Cut timeline (when editing from that drive ) process? Thanks in advance for your answer!
No a faster external drive will help with the timeline and many things if you are using the drive to edit off of. Some things like exports may not matter as much though.
Great, REAL LIFE , realistic info !!!! Thanks for this overview, so I've stop made experiments with configs "inside mind". And..., where did the "PERLA" disappeared ???
Have you ever thought of using an external ice packs to cool an external drive. I used this technique to cool an intel MacBook Pro to great effect and wonder if this could safely be applied to an external ssd drive
I did a video on that so search for it on my channel or actually here it is - ua-cam.com/video/q4c0qeF0mBY/v-deo.html . Actually I don't recommend it but it was a fun experiment. Also, this was not for externals but the same theory.
@ actually I’ve read somewhere that SSDs are certified to run best within temperature ranges that are quite high so artificially cooling them is not necessarily recommended. I haven’t watched your linked video yet but it does intrigue me
I am looking for a two-bay ssd enclosure to take 2x 4tb ssd’s for my video Unity projects and video work, which require lots of space. What 2bay enclosure options do I have please and which ssd would you recommend? Thank you for your useful videos and your help.
I'm looking for a 2 bay to review but as of right now I have only done a few older ones that only take one SATA and one NVMe SSD. Keep an eye on my channel if I find one to review that I think is worth it.
@@craigneidel thank you Craig, I am looking forward to it. I think many game developers would be interested, as some projects require hundreds of gigabytes for development.
@@mickeyclinard7910The two bay are reportedly much slooowwwer, first because they are sharing thesame bandwidth, second because you are looking at double the heat of a single ba enclosure leading to serious performance drop so stay away from the 2bay enclosures
I don't have Thunderbolt 4. But I do have enclosures with USB-C as all of my external storage are 2.5" HDD's and some SD cards and USB sticks. I think 2.5" HDD are good bang for the buck, and may provide safer long term storage compared to SSD. Only downside to HDD is the slow speed compared to NVMe drives.
The GRAUGEAR USB 4.0 enclosure is the coolest enclosure I've ever tested and also the fastest. The second best the Acasis TBU 405 Pro M1 active cooled. The OWC SSD Enclsoure I sent back. It didn't perform that great.
Thank you for great videos. I recently bought a m4 Mac mini and am using it with TB4 enclosure. However, I am suffering from 'Disk not ejected properly' issue. Can you also cover this issue in a coming video for people using an external driver as a main driver?
Are all these guidelines valid if you use the external drive as your secondary "internal" drive , installing apps , games,....or you have other things to consider for that use ( velocity, type of SSD , temperature, connections,....). For reference the 3rd method of using external drive in your other video. Thanks
@@craigneidel Thanks. I am about to upgrade to a base Mac Mini M4. I won`t be moving large files, my concern is how fast I need my external drive to be to run some game, store sound libraries, run other apps such as Garage Band, Photoshop,.......from the external drive. ideally, the external enclosure wouldn`t get very hot and if comes with fan wouldn`t make noise ( I hate fan noise). What is your recommendation, NVME, SATA, enclosures of 10gs or 40gbs speed? Of course without sacrifice in performance compared to the internal drive ( opening apps speed, fluent flowing performance, .....) Research these things is not easy for tech dummies like me. Thanks.
For possible future video. When setting up my older iMac TB3 drives (ACASIS TBU 405, Orico USB3.2, Samsung T5 (Type-C ports)), I mixed up the drive cables which gave me major performance differences. You can confirm/visualize this in the System Info report under Thunderbolt & USB port info link speeds. That Acasis 40GB enclosure plugged into TB3 was running at USB 480MB/s
WD Black SSD has a DRAM module is labeled D9XPG, a 16Gb DDR4 module from Micron with 16-bit width. (source tom's hardware) this could be why is fast and then slows down (not heat). Some SSDs might not have DRAM cache or smaller size modules.
I got a Samsung Pro 909 SSD 2TB and an Hyperdrive Next USB4 Enclosure. I get around 3700 in both read and write. But that is on a M4 Pro Mac Mini with Thunderbolt 5 ports.
@@robertt9342 Yes it actually does. I tested it on a Mac Mini basic M4 with Thunderbolt 4 and I got around 2850 for read and write. So it is indded faster plugged into a Thunderbolt 5 port.
I've tested ASM2464-based enclosures on PC (Hyper NextDrive and NewQ NQ-HB-03) over proper USB4. Asus Z790 Maximus Apex with Asus USB4 add-in card. In my experience, 3.7GB/s on sequential reads and writes is about the max regardless of internal SSD used (980 Pro, SN850x, Gammix S70 Blade). One odd thing I've experienced is that faster Phison-based drives don't seem to like being in my enclosures. Doing tests with CrystalDiskMark, both E18 (7GB/s Gen4) and E26 (Gen5) will disconnect during the write tests, and it's consistent. Drives based on the earlier Phison E16 (5GB/s Gen4) don't seem to have this issue.
Hi. Do I understand correctly that the qwiizlab enclosure only supports USB? I didn't find any mention of thunderbolt3/4 protocol support on the official website. I wanted to buy it for my MacBook Pro 2016, but it doesn't support the USB4 protocol. (Sorry for my English)😅
@@craigneidel I asked directly at the official store. This is the answer. 🤟😉🤩 Qwiizlab Hi Sebastián. The ES40UR supports USB4, it also Thunderbolt 4 and 3 compatibility.
Good video, but there is no way I’m going test a whole bunch of SSDs in different enclosures. Just not practical for a typical user. Would much rather rely on channels like yours to find the better performing SSD/Enclosure/price combinations. Thanks for your efforts.
Yes, but one person testing something it hard sometimes. I am not saying test 20 but do research and test the one you pick to make sure it's working good.
Nice comparison and sensible info. So, which enclosure gave the fastest sustained speeds, especially with the write speed, after warming up using the WD SN770 2TB?
Hi there, Can we use m.2 nvme with heatsink inside these enclosures? I bought an SSD with heatsink for my PS5 last year and I was wondering if I can use that SSD inside these enclosures.
amazing video Craig, thank you so much I have a question for you, I recently purchased the satechi, with the thermal pad on the ssd it seemed to heat up a lot, even reaching 65 degrees with ease. By moving the thermal pad on the aluminum it seems, as you said, that the ssd "breathed" more, so is this perhaps the way to use the thermal pad in this case?
yes, you want it touching the metal to transfer the heat in most cases. They will normally have specific directions for each enclsoure but that is normally how it is done.
I use the ACASIS with the 4 screws no fans and I mount a gigantic heat-sink to it. "Easycargo 2pcs 40mm Heatsink Kit 100mmx40mmx20mm + 3M8810 thermal conductive adhesive tape" from Amazon. I use it as an external boot drive and have Apple Intelligence enabled it using the file modification method. The heatsink is the entire length of the enclosure and it leaves just enough room to get to the screws with a long electronics screwdriver. I like to use thermal pads and torque them down with screws. Thermal Grizzly makes really good ones.
@@craigneidel I picked up a 980 Pro 2TB for $36 (could not pass that up)and a 990 Pro 4TB for $240 in the past few weeks on sale so I may try a ASM2464 with a heat sink to see how it does. You have commented not to boot from external SSD in the past and man there are issues. I was running my SSD and 10Gb adapter off a OWC Thunderbolt hub and even though the device was showing up it was not showing up in networking. I moved the SSD to a direct port on the mac and now it works. It's a Sonnet 10Gb Thunderbolt adapter. The latest version of MacOS added support for Nvidia/Mellanox ConnectX 4 cards and newer, up to 100Gb. I am requesting external boot SSD videos even though it's a bad idea. :)
I have a WD SN850X with the Satechi enclosure. When I leave the SSD plugged idling without doing anything, it still gets quite warm. I thought it would only get warn if I write or read from the SSD. Does yours do the same?
Hi Craig, thanks for your video! What format were the SSDs you tested? AFPS or ExFat? My WD Blue SN580 is extremely slow in AFPS, but in ExFat it has good speed. I don't know what to do.
Hi….i subscribed to your channel, but it does not show up on UA-cam Subscriptions. It reads 100, so no more than that ? Anyway, I bought my monitor, enclosure with a 4TB SSD card. I’ll use either your HOW TO to set up my NEW MAC MINI PRO. When I do that….and told DO NOT OPEN MAC MINI PRO ahead of time. First time open, I can create this drive…..as I only got 512 Storage. But my question is this….HOW…..OR WHEN…..can I migrate the 1.8 TB storage off my retiring iMac? Do you have a video for that ?
Thank you for the sub. I have over 34K subs so not sure what you mean on 100 subs. Yeah, I have not done a video on moving older data as there are so many ways to do that and to mess it up. I'll see if I can create something like that but it may not be soon. I would search on UA-cam as I think I saw some videos on that a while back. I just have not made a video on that yet and have a bunch of videos lined up so can't make that anytime soon. It's also hard for me to troubleshoot or walk people through custom migrations as you can imagine.
@ appreciate the response….thank you for your help….i followed your suggestions and upon further investigative research, those suggestions were spot on for me. I’ll look around how to move the old iMac programs on to the new Mac mini pro. I restarted my iPad, and you appeared on my list of subscribers. Happy holidays to you.
I have a Samsung 990 pro 1TB SSD, can you suggest a best ssd enclosure for MacBook Air My priorities : 1. Shouldn’t overheat the enclosure or MacBook Air 2. Read/write speed should be fast enough 2. I don’t care about looks of the enclosure 3. Should be decent enough portable, it’s fine even if it looks big in size 4. Budget is not that big of issue, but the more less expensive would be preferable. Could you please suggest 2-3 options/ssd enclosures Thanks in Advance
I tried to do my best to lay out the drives in this video but made individual videos on all those enclosures if you want to check those out on my channel (search for them). The Zike is good etc. but it all depends on the drive you put in and I have not tested that drive yet but may in the future. I would just look at all the reviews and then try one out and see how well it works for you. I may be doing a video on thermals in the future which should help as well.
What;s the difference between the Acasis TBU405 Pro and the Acasis TBU401 Pro? I just bought the 401 Pro but nobody seems to be making any videos on it. I just purchased the WD-BLACK SN770 2TB SSD with the Acasis TBU401 Pro (fan version) and hoping this will be a great combo. First time using an enclosure and would love to see you pair these two up to see how they perform
Thanks for the information its very helpful, just for feedback and a personal view but your videos don't need the clips from the library store, they are actually a bit annoying.
Thanks, I like to put them in from time to time and enjoy them. I have also been using them as I grow the channel so not sure I want to change too much but thanks for the feedback. I understand you are just trying to help.
Even with a new Thunderbolt 4 cable I got disconnects on the Satechi M.2 USB4 Enclosure with the Orico USB4 Enclosure connected when copying between these drives, so is my MacBook Pro M1 Pro can't handle 2 drives or one of the enclosures doesn't like the other one?
@@_TT90 TU for Your timely reply. Please recommend: What is your choice for the 'best' of these T4 Enclosures to use for a high-powered SSD like the Samsung 990 Plus or the Kingston Black (2-4 Tb). Thank You in Advance.
Hi thank you for this great video. I recently purchased the M4 Mac mini base model replacing my old 2017 27"iMac. I watched videos by some UA-camrs that highly recommend the OWC Express 1M2 enclosure you had displayed on your screen, for its excellent heat sink capabilities and high speed data transfers. I already purchased a SanDisk Extreme 4 TB SSD with around 1050 read/write speeds, but since my M4 Mac mini only comes with 256 GB and I want to use an external SSD as my main hard drive, I was told that my current SSD is not really suitable for the main hard drive for my Mac mini as it is too slow and has poor heat sink capabilities due to its very small compact size. What is your opinion on this? Do I need to purchase the OWC Express 1M2 and a compatible M.2 2TB SSD or can I get away with using the SanDisk Extreme as external SSD for my Mac mini? I should also add I don't do any video editing only audio production and normal everyday use functions.
I've really been doing a lot of research for these drives. I'm no expert, but I've spent some time gathering information. Based upon your comment, it may surprise you that audio production uses a great deal of memory power compared to video editing. Learning this really surprised me. Again, I'm no expert. Basically, just parroting things heard, or read. Initially, I was looking for the fastest iteration available. The more I learned, I realized it's wasted potential, but will be useful in the future as technology advances the entire work flow. To get to your point. The SanDisk will work fine. It's fast enough for today's current speeds based upon bottle necks. I bought the fastest Gen. Available for my backup system, but opted for the prefabricated drives for my working drive. The main weakness is slowing down when transferring very large files, like 200gb for example. Other than that slow down, moving chunks of data back and forth will not be an issue and work for you today. Down the road the san disk drive may serve as a backup/storage device and you upgrade to a working drive that is faster. For current standards the slower drive will serve the purpose. When thunderbolt technology becomes more pervasive across hardware, storage, cables, etc... That is when we will be able to speed up. Currently the technology is too young for enjoying the full benefit. Disclaimer again....😊 I'm no expert, but this information is what influenced my decisions and I believe it to be accurate today. You should be fine for a year, or two. No point in going crazy with capacity.a couple of TB should be plenty. Assuming one day we'll all be using 16k media and transferring 1 TB in 35 seconds, the time to invest in larger storage capacity rests in the future. Hope I haven't overstepped my boundaries by offering my input. All the best....
If you have that just test it out. I'm guessing you won't need the extra speed. Most don't. The Thunderbolt 4 and 5 enclosures get even hotter but the OWC enclosures is a good option as fair as heat control. But I would just test out the SanDisk and if it works don't worry about faster speeds as most things won't really matter. I run a 2017 imac off a 2.5" SSD and it's runs great for 6 years and that's like 500 MB/s.
@@craigneidel Thanks for the reply. I ended up caving and getting the OWC enclosure with a 2TB internal SSD NVMe M.2. I have had the setup for a few days now and it works great. I have the home folder on the new external drive but made sure to create a second account with admin privileges for the internal SSD on the M4 Mac mini. I also have the SanDisk 4TB SSD attached to store documents and files.
@@MaurySmith Thanks Maury, that was great advice and a lot of excellent research you have provided me with. Sorry I didn’t notice your comment till just now. I ended up getting the OWC set up after all, just to be on the safe side and it has worked out very well. But I believe that you were right and that as long as I wasn’t transferring large 200+gb I would have been fine. Your input was very much appreciated!
I mean i don’t edit videos I only use my mac to download music and stream. Once i get any new laptop i don’t think i would need that much speed for my music files.
None of the enclosures are tb4. Some are tb3 titan ridge masquerading as “usb4.0” and others are true usb4 based on asmedia asm2464pd. The latter are faster on tb5 ports… 3500 MB/sec vs 2800 to 3000 MB/sec of the titan ridge….
best choices buy a ugreen ssd enclosure $20 with a 1TB ssd $80 for $100 you have 1TB no need for better since the mac's internal ssd restricts despite the thunderbolt 5
I'm grateful to know that Thunderbolt 5 is NOT strictly necessary. My use case simply does NOT call for it. Running my 3TB+ collection of CD rips through a Thunderbolt 5 enclosure even sounds stupid...to ME!😆🤣 (What can I say? I ripped my CDs out to uncompressed WAV files... So...I'm an idiot... What else is new?) I've been testing the process of running home folders and stuff on Thunderbolt 3 with my M1 Mac Mini, and I did find it will be useful when I replace my little 512GB NVME with what I really want: a 4TB NVME. Then...more tests. I wanna be sure I KNOW about everything I'm doing before jumping to a M4 machine. I was gonna buy a M4 Pro Mac Mini for the Thunderbolt 5 ports alone, really. Finally saw and TOUCHED an M4 Mini at Ala Moana Apple Store this passed Tuesday. Nice! They physically had Thunderbolt 5 cables there, but I'm gonna take advantage of that BEAUTIFUL M4 Mac Mini price and forego the fancy-schmancy Pro with all the Thunderbolt 5 palaver! Meanwhile...I've returned my M1 test rig BACK into one that runs the home folder internally instead of externally. All I had to do was delete my test user and...back to normal. The next step is to install a 4TB NVME in the Thunderbolt 3 enclosure in which I had my test 512GB NVME and to test it with ALL my music on the 4TB drive. (Sigh...) One methodical step at a time. Mahalo for all the back catalog on your channel on this topic! You made this process so stress-free. Once this test is done, I'll use the new M4 with my existing 4TB in the Thunderbolt 3 case and determine if I really even need to bother buying a Thunderbolt 4 case. It probably WON"T make a difference under my usage. 'Til next time, aloha!
Yes, no reason to spend the extra money on a Thunderbolt 5 enclosure for that (CDs). Thanks for covering your other plan and good luck with everything. I normally keep my home directory on my main SSD and only move off Apps and my downloads or data but everybody has a method that works for them and that is totally fine.
Just get 2 tb samsung 990 pro and acasis tbu405 pro best external ssd combo passive ssd cooling is bad if you gonna use that ssd long time ssd getting slower
I got lost part way through this video for a number of reasons: 1. I did not find the "bottom line" that matches the video description. 2. You are covering a LOT of different things in one video. 3. You talk really fast through the whole video (not watching at a faster speed, 1x). I would recommending more focus, split this into 2 videos at the very least.
My channel keeps growing and I have people that like watching. It's just what I do. It's how I am and everybody's a bit different. I try to make videos that are completely different and sometimes they're good. Sometimes they're bad but I do it because I enjoy it.
@donofthedonmtb thanks. I was just saying my style is not for everyone. It's not just for info it's about just talking with few scripts. More raw. So some like it and others don't. But it allows me to grow as I'm not like all the others just reading a script.
Just found your channel. Great, I like your tests and reviews. But please, can you eliminate the stupid stock footage cut ins? They are distracting and annoying. Seriously, I'd rather keep watching you talk. Why on earth do you think it necessary to put those things in?
The manufacturers of these cases didn't even bother to make a case that could house an SSD with its heat sink. However, it wasn't complicated to make them a little higher, do you have to be an engineer for that? These boxes are a big hoax.
your conclusions seems to be shedding your hands off … you are not advising or drawing conclusions for any categories… there should at least be a table published with the tests that you have done with various speed results… too long video with a lot of chatter and less facts
@@craigneidelMost Apple users care about aesthetics, I guess. I do. Also it’s great you focused on the technical aspects, that’s why we’re here watching your content. Thanks.
Thanks. I know some care about the looks of them but at the end of the day I normally hide mine behind the mini on my desk. The Quizzlab one kind of matches.
@@weholmes5315unfortunately all of the stylish M4 Mini styled enclosures announced so far are limited to USB 3.1 transfer speeds of 10Gbps, which is a real bottleneck for a M.2 NVMe drive (as in 1000MBps peak transfer speed).
There are two common controllers used in these enclosures: JHL7440, an Intel Thunderbolt 3 controller; and ASM2464/2464PD, an USB4 controller. For ASM2464/2464PD the enclosure must have enough cooling, either with a fan or with a very big heat sink, like OWC’s 1M2. JHL7440 runs way cooler so whether having a fan or not doesn’t matter too much. ASM2464/2464PD offers better sequential reads/writes, but this doesn’t matter too much since random reads/writes are more important for day to day usage, and it’s very drive dependent so no clear winner here. Get an SSD with DRAM will help on random reads/writes and response times.
Yes, they have different controllers on the different controllers. But some other things can make a difference like design and cooling, cables, etc.
@@craigneidelYeah cables are a major factor too. My ASM2464PD USB4 enclosure when connected to an old Intel Mac’s Thunderbolt 3 port with a USB4 cable was only recognised as half speed Thunderbolt 3, and when I switched to a Thunderbolt 3 cable it restored to full speed. Also my enclosure has a smart fan, it will adjust its RPM based on the drive’s temperature.
@@rorywalters1614 what enclosure do you have?
What chips do the cheaper ones have that you can get for $15-35? Why is it worth it to spend $100 plus? I’ve got an m3 Mac and thinking of getting a WD black 850x because I want 8TB.
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Thank you for that. I appreciate that and it helps with the channel. I was in Krakow a few years ago and loved it.
Excellent content and no nonsense explanations. Big thumbs up!
Thank for the watching the channel.
Good discussion on this topic, Craig. Very few UA-cam videos test for heat throttling when comparing enclosures. One I watched tested the enclosures (and SSD) with an infrared gun to get actual temperatures after loading a massive set of files. It revealed the passive drive throttled to about half speed. I believe the SSD temp reached about 70 degrees C. The fan-cooled drive did not throttle under the same conditions and the SSD was about 35 degrees C (big difference). The SSD will get warm even if it's not reading/writing so long as it's connected to the computer.
Getting different speeds with different enclosures and SSD's is interesting but I agree with you, in the real world, it makes very little difference. It's easy to get "hung up" over numbers. We all do it.
Thanks for watching the video. Yes, I just wanted people to take a few key points away from it. One of them being that the difference of a few hundred MB/s isn't going to be noticed.
I saw this video but I forget how to find it, could you please give me the name of the channel?
@Wesmosis you are writing this on my channel so I'm confused what you are asking
thanks for the video! i’ve been torn between SSD selections to replace my old drive
Thanks for watching.
Amazing info Sir!
Thank you.
Passive enclosures get hotter and in some cases causes thermal throttling of the ssd dropping the speed. Fans reduce the heat considerably in tests and keep the speed stable. Passive cooling under load the ssd gets around 60-70 degree, compared to 30-35 degrees on an enclosure with a fan.
They are all different so that is not always true and the fans can break and are audible. But they can help cool a bit for sure.
Ordered the Acasis and Jeyi Thunderbolt 5 enclosures. Getting them later this month. Exciting :) Roughly $250+ per enclosure (ouch)
Nice and good luck with everything.
I use a WD SN770 2tb ssd in an Acasis TBU-401 enclosure. Black Magic shows 2700-2800 read and write speeds. I havent done any in depth testing beyond that, but I am very happy with this setups.
Thanks for the info on this and data.
You chose the right combination. I have Acasis 401 + Samsung 980 Pro and it is worthless as startup disk. It also runs very hot. For extra storage however it's good.
@@filipr6070Wait, I thought the 980 pro is much faster than the WD SN770. Why did you say it is worthless
@@EasyyokeFilms If I use it as a bootdrive, I have beachballs. And the enclosure is very hot.
Thanks for a good practical review. You indeed make a good point that it really all boils down to a simple: 30s - 40s for your 1TB transfer test is Good! 🤓
Thank you for the comment and for watching the channel.
Exactly what I am interested in. Thanks
For sure, thanks.
Excellent and informative video, I learnt a lot. One major flaw that I can see; how does one do these tests and make a decision pre-purchase? Surely you need to have purchased a bunch of enclosures and SSDs in order to run the tests - I doubt that you would be able to send back the ones you don't want. Which leaves us back with watching great content like this and basing our purchase on the tests that you and others do on our behalf.
I'm only a single person so I just do the tests and then people can put together other data and make a determination. Yes, I test a bunch of these and use them and only the ones I use daily I can recommend for sure and even then I'm only one person as I don't test hundreds of the same unit. So overall it's just one thing to help people but not everything.
@@craigneidelAll things the same meaning TB 4 cable...
Does different enclosures change the speed of the chip in black magic tests?
Is that a testable thing?
Just wondering because I have a Mac mini 4 and put like to grab an external enclosure soon...great tests on this video lots of real world info... Thanks a lot.
I picked up a 4TB Crucial X Pro and it's working great with my base model mac mini
Those are nice too.
@ I chose this route even tho the drive is slower but I will be able to travel with the X9 Pro and record high quality footage on my iPhone directly to that ssd saving my internal storage on my iPhone
Yes, those are fast enough to do anything on them.
That funky intro!
Not bad... I like it.
I used the WD SN770 2TB in an Orico's passive 40gps "Thunderbolt 3.0/4.0 compatible" enclosure and get a solid 3050-3100 gps on BlackMagic's software. Reading/Writing multi gig files was heating up- the enclosure quite a bit, so I added some copper heatsink spacers between the included heatsink and the enclusures cover to ensure good physical contact, and placed a small $10.00 desk fan so that it's airflow directly passed over the Orico fins and voila'- the enclosure remains around 5-7 degrees (if that) over room temperature:). Inexpensive, plenty of performance, dead simple. works for me, and I can even arrange everything so that I get a pleasant breeze while working :)
Have you tried any large files of 50GB or more? My experience is that the larger the file I transfer, the slower the speed.
@@sebastiankovac3334 Not yet, but I will try it for you in a few hours. Keep watch for another reply :)
@@sebastiankovac3334 "3070, 3038" on 50 gig file :)
Nice fix to the issue. Yes, working on cooling the enclosures can be a fun project.
@@craigneidel I'm only following you briefly, but I really appreciate your willingness to answer questions. You're creating a great community. As I've witnessed many times before. 👏👏
Nice video. Have you tried using the SSDs with heatsinks to see if they work in these external enclosures? I was curious to see if they did better than the provided pads.
They normally don't fit drives with heatsink in them but I guess it comes down to how large the heaksink on the drives are. I normally use heat tape for the thermal control.
I have a USB-C enclosure and I got about 900 MBPS which is a great improvement from my older external SSDs but way below what's possible. It's a really cheap Orico enclosure. So 2000 and up would be really great. My transfers are up to about 70 GB but most are 600 MB to 6 GB which is why I'm just running with a slow solution. I'm in no hurry to upgrade my enclosure. I would not mind additional storage but that would also require getting a larger backup drive.
same, I got that cheep UGREEN enclosure with WD black and its barely giving me 900MB/S but with each games being 100gb these days I can still feel it being slow, I'm going to get a new NVME enclosure soon
Yes, you are on a 10 Gbps enclosure and not a Thunderbolt 4 (40 Gbps) enclosure so those speeds are normal for that. If you don't need the speed you most likely won't notice the upgrade too much.
Hey Craig, keep up the great work. Here’s a question I’ve not seen addressed… Are you saying the speed of an external drive only relates to transfer of data? The external drive has nothing to do with the speed of editing? For instance a faster external won’t speed up a Final Cut timeline (when editing from that drive ) process? Thanks in advance for your answer!
No a faster external drive will help with the timeline and many things if you are using the drive to edit off of. Some things like exports may not matter as much though.
@@craigneidel thx!
Great, REAL LIFE , realistic info !!!! Thanks for this overview, so I've stop made experiments with configs "inside mind". And..., where did the "PERLA" disappeared ???
Thanks for watching the channel, appreciate that......
Have you ever thought of using an external ice packs to cool an external drive. I used this technique to cool an intel MacBook Pro to great effect and wonder if this could safely be applied to an external ssd drive
I did a video on that so search for it on my channel or actually here it is - ua-cam.com/video/q4c0qeF0mBY/v-deo.html . Actually I don't recommend it but it was a fun experiment. Also, this was not for externals but the same theory.
@ actually I’ve read somewhere that SSDs are certified to run best within temperature ranges that are quite high so artificially cooling them is not necessarily recommended. I haven’t watched your linked video yet but it does intrigue me
I am looking for a two-bay ssd enclosure to take 2x 4tb ssd’s for my video Unity projects and video work, which require lots of space. What 2bay enclosure options do I have please and which ssd would you recommend? Thank you for your useful videos and your help.
I'm looking for a 2 bay to review but as of right now I have only done a few older ones that only take one SATA and one NVMe SSD. Keep an eye on my channel if I find one to review that I think is worth it.
@@craigneidel thank you Craig, I am looking forward to it. I think many game developers would be interested, as some projects require hundreds of gigabytes for development.
The Acasis tbu405 pro max is a dual nvme enclosure. Been looking at this one myself
@@mickeyclinard7910The two bay are reportedly much slooowwwer, first because they are sharing thesame bandwidth, second because you are looking at double the heat of a single ba enclosure leading to serious performance drop so stay away from the 2bay enclosures
I don't have Thunderbolt 4. But I do have enclosures with USB-C as all of my external storage are 2.5" HDD's and some SD cards and USB sticks. I think 2.5" HDD are good bang for the buck, and may provide safer long term storage compared to SSD. Only downside to HDD is the slow speed compared to NVMe drives.
I use 2.5 inch SSDs as well. Upside is the don't heat up normally.
The GRAUGEAR USB 4.0 enclosure is the coolest enclosure I've ever tested and also the fastest. The second best the Acasis TBU 405 Pro M1 active cooled.
The OWC SSD Enclsoure I sent back. It didn't perform that great.
Thanks for the info that you have.
Do these enclosure come with a Thunderbolt 4 cable?
Yes, they all should.
so then it begs the question which brand of ssd card for speed is the best to choose?
They are all so different and will perform different so testing or looking at reviews is the best way to choose.
Thank you for great videos. I recently bought a m4 Mac mini and am using it with TB4 enclosure. However, I am suffering from 'Disk not ejected properly' issue. Can you also cover this issue in a coming video for people using an external driver as a main driver?
I'll see what I can do. Thanks for watching.
@@craigneidel same here (mini m 4 pro) - looking at various forums this seems to be a problem even sitting at idle
Ok, I have not seen this too much but it can be an issue on some enclosures and disk combos.
Are all these guidelines valid if you use the external drive as your secondary "internal" drive , installing apps , games,....or you have other things to consider for that use ( velocity, type of SSD , temperature, connections,....). For reference the 3rd method of using external drive in your other video. Thanks
I'm not sure what you are asking but I'll try and answer it. Yes they should be valid no matter how you use them.
@@craigneidel Thanks. I am about to upgrade to a base Mac Mini M4. I won`t be moving large files, my concern is how fast I need my external drive to be to run some game, store sound libraries, run other apps such as Garage Band, Photoshop,.......from the external drive. ideally, the external enclosure wouldn`t get very hot and if comes with fan wouldn`t make noise ( I hate fan noise). What is your recommendation, NVME, SATA, enclosures of 10gs or 40gbs speed? Of course without sacrifice in performance compared to the internal drive ( opening apps speed, fluent flowing performance, .....)
Research these things is not easy for tech dummies like me. Thanks.
For possible future video. When setting up my older iMac TB3 drives (ACASIS TBU 405, Orico USB3.2, Samsung T5 (Type-C ports)), I mixed up the drive cables which gave me major performance differences. You can confirm/visualize this in the System Info report under Thunderbolt & USB port info link speeds. That Acasis 40GB enclosure plugged into TB3 was running at USB 480MB/s
Yes, using the wrong cable or port will for sure limit speeds.
WD Black SSD has a DRAM module is labeled D9XPG, a 16Gb DDR4 module from Micron with 16-bit width. (source tom's hardware) this could be why is fast and then slows down (not heat). Some SSDs might not have DRAM cache or smaller size modules.
Yes, for sure there are some variables including the SSDs that are used.
Bought the Acasis for only $58 here in the Philippines. Almost bought it from Amazon luckily I checked our online local stores first.
That is a great deal...
@@BoiKangkong shopee
I got a Samsung Pro 909 SSD 2TB and an Hyperdrive Next USB4 Enclosure. I get around 3700 in both read and write. But that is on a M4 Pro Mac Mini with Thunderbolt 5 ports.
Tb5 won’t make differences over tb4 for you.
@@robertt9342 Yes it actually does. I tested it on a Mac Mini basic M4 with Thunderbolt 4 and I got around 2850 for read and write. So it is indded faster plugged into a Thunderbolt 5 port.
How are you testing it though?
@@craigneidel Just as you do in your video. And I do wait until the drive is warmed up.
I have this same set up with 4tb Samsung 990. Get about 2.8-3.0gb/s on t4 and MacBook m3 max. Amazing
I've tested ASM2464-based enclosures on PC (Hyper NextDrive and NewQ NQ-HB-03) over proper USB4. Asus Z790 Maximus Apex with Asus USB4 add-in card. In my experience, 3.7GB/s on sequential reads and writes is about the max regardless of internal SSD used (980 Pro, SN850x, Gammix S70 Blade).
One odd thing I've experienced is that faster Phison-based drives don't seem to like being in my enclosures. Doing tests with CrystalDiskMark, both E18 (7GB/s Gen4) and E26 (Gen5) will disconnect during the write tests, and it's consistent. Drives based on the earlier Phison E16 (5GB/s Gen4) don't seem to have this issue.
Thanks for the info on this as it helps others trying to figure things out.
Hi. Do I understand correctly that the qwiizlab enclosure only supports USB? I didn't find any mention of thunderbolt3/4 protocol support on the official website.
I wanted to buy it for my MacBook Pro 2016, but it doesn't support the USB4 protocol.
(Sorry for my English)😅
I think it is USB/4 not Thunderbolt 4. But I would check the website and it should be listed on the Amazon page.
@@craigneidel
I asked directly at the official store. This is the answer.
🤟😉🤩
Qwiizlab
Hi Sebastián. The ES40UR supports USB4, it also Thunderbolt 4 and 3 compatibility.
Yes, thank you.
Good video, but there is no way I’m going test a whole bunch of SSDs in different enclosures. Just not practical for a typical user. Would much rather rely on channels like yours to find the better performing SSD/Enclosure/price combinations. Thanks for your efforts.
Yes, but one person testing something it hard sometimes. I am not saying test 20 but do research and test the one you pick to make sure it's working good.
Hi, can I use one of this enclosure and a ssd with heatsink?
I answered this on your other post
Nice comparison and sensible info. So, which enclosure gave the fastest sustained speeds, especially with the write speed, after warming up using the WD SN770 2TB?
I had the speeds listed in there and they are pretty consistent up to 100 GB of data transfer which is what I tested.
So what mac device are you testing these external storage on you didnt even mention it in the vid?
M4 Mac mini with thunderbolt 4
For WD blue ns570 2tb witch external case do you recommend? it's for a Macmini M2 Pro
Any of those should work but I have not used that drive specifically in one of the enclosures as there being so many drives.
Does the enclosure only take in 1 card? What about several cards and I raid them?
These are for 1 SSD.
Hi there,
Can we use m.2 nvme with heatsink inside these enclosures? I bought an SSD with heatsink for my PS5 last year and I was wondering if I can use that SSD inside these enclosures.
They are all different but normally you need to take the heatsink off as there are pretty tight.
Even if I’m not moving anything to the ssd should I plug it into my Mac Mini for the initial start up?
Not sure what you mean. If nothing is on it then you don't need to plug it in until you want to copy something to it.
amazing video Craig, thank you so much
I have a question for you, I recently purchased the satechi, with the thermal pad on the ssd it seemed to heat up a lot, even reaching 65 degrees with ease. By moving the thermal pad on the aluminum it seems, as you said, that the ssd "breathed" more, so is this perhaps the way to use the thermal pad in this case?
yes, you want it touching the metal to transfer the heat in most cases. They will normally have specific directions for each enclsoure but that is normally how it is done.
I use the ACASIS with the 4 screws no fans and I mount a gigantic heat-sink to it. "Easycargo 2pcs 40mm Heatsink Kit 100mmx40mmx20mm + 3M8810 thermal conductive adhesive tape" from Amazon. I use it as an external boot drive and have Apple Intelligence enabled it using the file modification method. The heatsink is the entire length of the enclosure and it leaves just enough room to get to the screws with a long electronics screwdriver. I like to use thermal pads and torque them down with screws. Thermal Grizzly makes really good ones.
yes, adding additional heatsinks to the drives can work for sure. Some don't like the way they look and room they take up but that will help for sure.
@@craigneidel I picked up a 980 Pro 2TB for $36 (could not pass that up)and a 990 Pro 4TB for $240 in the past few weeks on sale so I may try a ASM2464 with a heat sink to see how it does. You have commented not to boot from external SSD in the past and man there are issues. I was running my SSD and 10Gb adapter off a OWC Thunderbolt hub and even though the device was showing up it was not showing up in networking. I moved the SSD to a direct port on the mac and now it works. It's a Sonnet 10Gb Thunderbolt adapter. The latest version of MacOS added support for Nvidia/Mellanox ConnectX 4 cards and newer, up to 100Gb. I am requesting external boot SSD videos even though it's a bad idea. :)
Hi Craig, do you think buying usb4.0 external ssd is better for versaility like you could use in both Mac and win with 20gb or 40gb speed
If you build a Thunderbolt 4 enclosure then format as ExFat and you can use on Both Win and MacOS.
What is that keyboard with the black keys?
Satechi
Excelent!!
Thank you.
I have a WD SN850X with the Satechi enclosure. When I leave the SSD plugged idling without doing anything, it still gets quite warm. I thought it would only get warn if I write or read from the SSD. Does yours do the same?
Many of them will stay warm with use and even with no use.
Hi Craig, thanks for your video! What format were the SSDs you tested? AFPS or ExFat? My WD Blue SN580 is extremely slow in AFPS, but in ExFat it has good speed. I don't know what to do.
These were in APFS. I have never heard that before so not sure what could be causing that. But it should work in Exfat on the Mac.
Hello Craig, what type of format should I use for the external drive? It’s a 2TB san disk
APFS
Hi….i subscribed to your channel, but it does not show up on UA-cam Subscriptions. It reads 100, so no more than that ? Anyway, I bought my monitor, enclosure with a 4TB SSD card. I’ll use either your HOW TO to set up my NEW MAC MINI PRO. When I do that….and told DO NOT OPEN MAC MINI PRO ahead of time. First time open, I can create this drive…..as I only got 512 Storage. But my question is this….HOW…..OR WHEN…..can I migrate the 1.8 TB storage off my retiring iMac? Do you have a video for that ?
Thank you for the sub. I have over 34K subs so not sure what you mean on 100 subs. Yeah, I have not done a video on moving older data as there are so many ways to do that and to mess it up. I'll see if I can create something like that but it may not be soon. I would search on UA-cam as I think I saw some videos on that a while back. I just have not made a video on that yet and have a bunch of videos lined up so can't make that anytime soon. It's also hard for me to troubleshoot or walk people through custom migrations as you can imagine.
@ appreciate the response….thank you for your help….i followed your suggestions and upon further investigative research, those suggestions were spot on for me. I’ll look around how to move the old iMac programs on to the new Mac mini pro. I restarted my iPad, and you appeared on my list of subscribers. Happy holidays to you.
I have a Samsung 990 pro 1TB SSD, can you suggest a best ssd enclosure for MacBook Air
My priorities :
1. Shouldn’t overheat the enclosure or MacBook Air
2. Read/write speed should be fast enough
2. I don’t care about looks of the enclosure
3. Should be decent enough portable, it’s fine even if it looks big in size
4. Budget is not that big of issue, but the more less expensive would be preferable.
Could you please suggest 2-3 options/ssd enclosures
Thanks in Advance
I tried to do my best to lay out the drives in this video but made individual videos on all those enclosures if you want to check those out on my channel (search for them). The Zike is good etc. but it all depends on the drive you put in and I have not tested that drive yet but may in the future. I would just look at all the reviews and then try one out and see how well it works for you. I may be doing a video on thermals in the future which should help as well.
What;s the difference between the Acasis TBU405 Pro and the Acasis TBU401 Pro? I just bought the 401 Pro but nobody seems to be making any videos on it. I just purchased the WD-BLACK SN770 2TB SSD with the Acasis TBU401 Pro (fan version) and hoping this will be a great combo. First time using an enclosure and would love to see you pair these two up to see how they perform
Well, you've just bought that combo, so you'll have a pretty good chance see how they perform ;)
If both are Thunderbolt 4 or USB/4 they should perform about the same.
Thanks for the information its very helpful, just for feedback and a personal view but your videos don't need the clips from the library store, they are actually a bit annoying.
Thanks, I like to put them in from time to time and enjoy them. I have also been using them as I grow the channel so not sure I want to change too much but thanks for the feedback. I understand you are just trying to help.
@@craigneidel yes it’s is meant constructively. Your content is great and very helpful which is the reason the channel is growing I suspect.
Ok, thank you.
Even with a new Thunderbolt 4 cable I got disconnects on the Satechi M.2 USB4 Enclosure with the Orico USB4 Enclosure connected when copying between these drives, so is my MacBook Pro M1 Pro can't handle 2 drives or one of the enclosures doesn't like the other one?
It's possible they are taking up too much power.
@ so a Thunderbolt dock or hub can help?
It's possible but I'm not 100% sure in this case.
@@craigneidel Thanks, I will try one
Even though it is more expensive , I like the "ACASIS 40Gbps M.2 NVMe SSD Enclosure with Cooling Fan,
". It should extend the life of the SSD ! ! ! !
Assuming the fan keeps working, and it doesn’t annoy you
There are many options for sure out there. Acasis seems to make some good ones.
Fun fact: NAND flash runs better hot
@@_TT90 TU for Your timely reply. Please recommend: What is your choice for the 'best' of these T4 Enclosures to use for a high-powered SSD like the Samsung 990 Plus or the Kingston Black (2-4 Tb). Thank You in Advance.
Hi thank you for this great video. I recently purchased the M4 Mac mini base model replacing my old 2017 27"iMac. I watched videos by some UA-camrs that highly recommend the OWC Express 1M2 enclosure you had displayed on your screen, for its excellent heat sink capabilities and high speed data transfers. I already purchased a SanDisk Extreme 4 TB SSD with around 1050 read/write speeds, but since my M4 Mac mini only comes with 256 GB and I want to use an external SSD as my main hard drive, I was told that my current SSD is not really suitable for the main hard drive for my Mac mini as it is too slow and has poor heat sink capabilities due to its very small compact size. What is your opinion on this? Do I need to purchase the OWC Express 1M2 and a compatible M.2 2TB SSD or can I get away with using the SanDisk Extreme as external SSD for my Mac mini? I should also add I don't do any video editing only audio production and normal everyday use functions.
I've really been doing a lot of research for these drives. I'm no expert, but I've spent some time gathering information. Based upon your comment, it may surprise you that audio production uses a great deal of memory power compared to video editing. Learning this really surprised me. Again, I'm no expert. Basically, just parroting things heard, or read. Initially, I was looking for the fastest iteration available. The more I learned, I realized it's wasted potential, but will be useful in the future as technology advances the entire work flow. To get to your point. The SanDisk will work fine. It's fast enough for today's current speeds based upon bottle necks. I bought the fastest Gen. Available for my backup system, but opted for the prefabricated drives for my working drive. The main weakness is slowing down when transferring very large files, like 200gb for example. Other than that slow down, moving chunks of data back and forth will not be an issue and work for you today. Down the road the san disk drive may serve as a backup/storage device and you upgrade to a working drive that is faster. For current standards the slower drive will serve the purpose. When thunderbolt technology becomes more pervasive across hardware, storage, cables, etc... That is when we will be able to speed up. Currently the technology is too young for enjoying the full benefit. Disclaimer again....😊 I'm no expert, but this information is what influenced my decisions and I believe it to be accurate today. You should be fine for a year, or two. No point in going crazy with capacity.a couple of TB should be plenty. Assuming one day we'll all be using 16k media and transferring 1 TB in 35 seconds, the time to invest in larger storage capacity rests in the future.
Hope I haven't overstepped my boundaries by offering my input.
All the best....
If you have that just test it out. I'm guessing you won't need the extra speed. Most don't. The Thunderbolt 4 and 5 enclosures get even hotter but the OWC enclosures is a good option as fair as heat control. But I would just test out the SanDisk and if it works don't worry about faster speeds as most things won't really matter. I run a 2017 imac off a 2.5" SSD and it's runs great for 6 years and that's like 500 MB/s.
@@craigneidel Thanks for the reply. I ended up caving and getting the OWC enclosure with a 2TB internal SSD NVMe M.2. I have had the setup for a few days now and it works great. I have the home folder on the new external drive but made sure to create a second account with admin privileges for the internal SSD on the M4 Mac mini. I also have the SanDisk 4TB SSD attached to store documents and files.
@@MaurySmith Thanks Maury, that was great advice and a lot of excellent research you have provided me with. Sorry I didn’t notice your comment till just now. I ended up getting the OWC set up after all, just to be on the safe side and it has worked out very well. But I believe that you were right and that as long as I wasn’t transferring large 200+gb I would have been fine. Your input was very much appreciated!
I mean i don’t edit videos I only use my mac to download music and stream. Once i get any new laptop i don’t think i would need that much speed for my music files.
Yes, you would not. I would just go with a 10 Gbps enclosure that can get speeds like around 1,000 MB/s and you will be fine.
None of the enclosures are tb4. Some are tb3 titan ridge masquerading as “usb4.0” and others are true usb4 based on asmedia asm2464pd. The latter are faster on tb5 ports… 3500 MB/sec vs 2800 to 3000 MB/sec of the titan ridge….
The video is about testing and yes maybe not officially branded Thunderbolt 4 but people normally buy these for sure.
best choices buy a ugreen ssd enclosure $20 with a 1TB ssd $80 for $100 you have 1TB no need for better since the mac's internal ssd restricts despite the thunderbolt 5
I mean you can get fasters speeds and it will make a difference if you need it.
I'm grateful to know that Thunderbolt 5 is NOT strictly necessary. My use case simply does NOT call for it.
Running my 3TB+ collection of CD rips through a Thunderbolt 5 enclosure even sounds stupid...to ME!😆🤣 (What can I say? I ripped my CDs out to uncompressed WAV files... So...I'm an idiot... What else is new?)
I've been testing the process of running home folders and stuff on Thunderbolt 3 with my M1 Mac Mini, and I did find it will be useful when I replace my little 512GB NVME with what I really want: a 4TB NVME.
Then...more tests.
I wanna be sure I KNOW about everything I'm doing before jumping to a M4 machine. I was gonna buy a M4 Pro Mac Mini for the Thunderbolt 5 ports alone, really.
Finally saw and TOUCHED an M4 Mini at Ala Moana Apple Store this passed Tuesday. Nice! They physically had Thunderbolt 5 cables there, but I'm gonna take advantage of that BEAUTIFUL M4 Mac Mini price and forego the fancy-schmancy Pro with all the Thunderbolt 5 palaver!
Meanwhile...I've returned my M1 test rig BACK into one that runs the home folder internally instead of externally. All I had to do was delete my test user and...back to normal.
The next step is to install a 4TB NVME in the Thunderbolt 3 enclosure in which I had my test 512GB NVME and to test it with ALL my music on the 4TB drive.
(Sigh...) One methodical step at a time.
Mahalo for all the back catalog on your channel on this topic! You made this process so stress-free.
Once this test is done, I'll use the new M4 with my existing 4TB in the Thunderbolt 3 case and determine if I really even need to bother buying a Thunderbolt 4 case. It probably WON"T make a difference under my usage.
'Til next time, aloha!
Yes, no reason to spend the extra money on a Thunderbolt 5 enclosure for that (CDs). Thanks for covering your other plan and good luck with everything. I normally keep my home directory on my main SSD and only move off Apps and my downloads or data but everybody has a method that works for them and that is totally fine.
Ho preso l'Acasis 40gbps con ventola (silenziosissimo con ventola attiva) inserendo un Samsung SSD 990Pro da 4tb
Yes, with a fan they work well.
I'm poor, I buy everything used or the cheapest option on eBay or Amazon.
Not a bad way to go... Still works.
Just get 2 tb samsung 990 pro and acasis tbu405 pro best external ssd combo passive ssd cooling is bad if you gonna use that ssd long time ssd getting slower
Maybe.
Do you leave these enclosures always connected to your M4 Mini?
For the most part I do.
Apple really missed to scam the people much further integrating thunder 4 😂❤
Not sure what you mean
I got lost part way through this video for a number of reasons: 1. I did not find the "bottom line" that matches the video description. 2. You are covering a LOT of different things in one video. 3. You talk really fast through the whole video (not watching at a faster speed, 1x). I would recommending more focus, split this into 2 videos at the very least.
My channel keeps growing and I have people that like watching. It's just what I do. It's how I am and everybody's a bit different. I try to make videos that are completely different and sometimes they're good. Sometimes they're bad but I do it because I enjoy it.
@@craigneidel To be clear, I am trying to help, not complain. I am sure there is good info in the video, I just could not distil it down and find it.
@donofthedonmtb thanks. I was just saying my style is not for everyone. It's not just for info it's about just talking with few scripts. More raw. So some like it and others don't. But it allows me to grow as I'm not like all the others just reading a script.
Don't limit your audience, all this info would be relevant to PC as well as MAC.
Yes, but I focus on a niche as it's hard to get views otherwise.
Thunderbolt theoretical max = 40 Gbps = 5000 MB/s, so it doesn't make sense getting an SSD with higher publicised transfer rates.
Yes, but with overhead maybe 3,500 at most but in real world larger tests maybe 3,300
40Gbps = 4000MBps. You’re forgetting that there is 10 bits per byte for serial transfer, allowing for start and stop bits.
@@gregclare I'm not I know to divide by 8
@@craigneidel My point exactly. Each byte needs 10 bits to transmit. So, you need to know to divide by 10 (not 8).
@gregclare I know how it works
Just found your channel. Great, I like your tests and reviews. But please, can you eliminate the stupid stock footage cut ins? They are distracting and annoying. Seriously, I'd rather keep watching you talk. Why on earth do you think it necessary to put those things in?
Wow... Ok but I like to show some other items in video and have grown with current videos
bigger is better...''that's what she said'' 😆
On Office Fan I see....
The manufacturers of these cases didn't even bother to make a case that could house an SSD with its heat sink. However, it wasn't complicated to make them a little higher, do you have to be an engineer for that? These boxes are a big hoax.
@@Hector_Malot ok. Not sure if a hoax as I use them everyday.
your conclusions seems to be shedding your hands off … you are not advising or drawing conclusions for any categories… there should at least be a table published with the tests that you have done with various speed results… too long video with a lot of chatter and less facts
I have done like 50 videos with actual thunderbolt 4 enclosure testing
All these enclosures are Ugly. They should look like the Mac mini enclosure.
Agreed! The snazzy looking nvme docks to go under the M4 Mac Mini are just starting to be released. There are a few now on Ali.
Yeah but I don't care about that
@@craigneidelMost Apple users care about aesthetics, I guess. I do.
Also it’s great you focused on the technical aspects, that’s why we’re here watching your content. Thanks.
Thanks. I know some care about the looks of them but at the end of the day I normally hide mine behind the mini on my desk. The Quizzlab one kind of matches.
@@weholmes5315unfortunately all of the stylish M4 Mini styled enclosures announced so far are limited to USB 3.1 transfer speeds of 10Gbps, which is a real bottleneck for a M.2 NVMe drive (as in 1000MBps peak transfer speed).