@@ThatsClassiccars Interesting question as Im going to find out in the next few months. Im in Florida and mine is barely passable. Im also wondering if the Middle East market got a better AC set up which would make sense.
I certainly like the soft dash, but I think I´d go with the hard dash. They are very, very hard to find here in Venezuela, either version. I mean, you rarely see one for sale, it seems the owners prefer to keep it. Thanks for your video. :)
Yes, more original. Could be a little better, but it's very cool all the same! Yeah, LHD here, like in the States. I enjoy your videos. I love Classic Range Rovers!
Just got my first RRC (light resto jobby). Soft dash '94 - really enjoying it! I'd definitely choose soft dash again as it still has the touch of retro aesthetic, with enough modern comfort to not feel like a compromising drive over a newer car :)
There seems to be more room for big feet under the original dash. Feels a little more cramped under the softdash when shuffling about. Also fine the 'softdash' steering wheel obscured some of the brinicle warning light compared to the older design.
I think it's the same guy who also did my headliner and good to see you've got Magnecor HT leads on..... The set on my 110 gave up after 15 years which I consider well worth the money..... considering they only have a 10-year warranty on them.... As to which I prefer my answer is both despite the fact that I have a soft Dash...... Which unfortunately means that it's been blessed with combinations of classic, Discovery 2, And the odd p-38 component. Witch naturally means it's right minefield of getting compatible parts for example the electric window mechanisms are discovery 2, A lot of the electrical system is discovery 2 mixed with classic..... The alternator is discovery 2, As you can see a right headache..... All the same Great video.
Oh Yeah it probably was the same guy, he's very helpful and really efficient. I've seen him replace a headlining in an hour or so. Pretty damn quick. Yes i've been happy with the leads actually, they work well. worth the extra spend on them. Lol, This is my issue with the soft dash, I find it is almost more luxurious but also its basically a discovery.. The ride also seems different to the hard dash too, I wonder if that it is Because my soft dash had a spring conversion? That sounds a nightmare with parts too....
@@ThatsClassiccars when I purchased the vehicle the previous previous owner had fitted really hard Springs so hard that they cracked the windscreen in three places with the extra rigidity........ so I immediately fitted a new set of coil springs and dampers..... in a few years time once those Springs go rusty I will convert it back to air suspension as she was fitted with it originally..... I think the only thing that keeps us and going with these old girls is the fact that they are gorgeous looking vehicles...... and with vehicles sizes only getting bigger it's now not that bigger vehicle as they once were.
@@daler2577 Yes thats so true! They aren't "Big" anymore compared to the new line of vehicles. Thats incredible it cracked the windscreen because shocks were so hard! I fitted the "Police Spec" springs on this and i was happy with the ride, also Terrafirma shocks which i am a fan of. Comfortable ride but still stiff enough to handle corners. Nice one for putting the air suspension back on, a lovely ride when they work well.
The cruise control will be a split in one of the vacuum pipe hose or the vacuum bellow most likely.....same as on the (P38). you must have a Vogue SE as they we're the only model to be fitted with cruise control as far as I know.
Also worth checking the control unit esp if the tubes and vacuum bellow are ok. (in fact I'll bet you a pint it's the unit 🤣) The RRC/D1 CC suffers the same malady as all GEMS P38s, namely the abysmal Hella CC control unit (AMR1173). I've replaced 6-7 of these over the years and fixed many more... and eventually started just replacing them with the later Thor Hella CC units (AMR5700) which are infinitely better. Incidentally, the AMR1137s are also found on all early-late 90's Audis (esp the A6!) which also suffered the equal misery of constant failure (but much more difficult to access in an Audi!) Repairing the AMR1173's C7, C9, and C11 joints on the PCB is possible, but will never guarantee a long life. Splicing in the AMR5700 unit is a fairly simple process; easy enough for even the most modest of tinkerers (there's an extra pink wire which is purley diagnostics - just leave that one.) the rest are almost identical. I can't take all the credit for this as many more RRC/D1/P38 owners figured this one out along the way. There's a really good step-by-step write up on that fine site RR.net. www.rangerovers.net/threads/retrofit-pre-99-cruise-control-ecu-with-99-ecu-information.45698/
I always thought that the soft dash was only used because at that time all new cars had to have air bags fitted. The hard dash is better because the soft dash makes the interior feel more cramped and also the steering wheel is at the wrong angle on the soft dash. Some people like the soft dash because it looks more modern but surely if you want modern then you wouldn't be buying a RRC. I think i've seen this one is for sale?
That is a very good point, I love the "Classic" vibe of the hard dash but a very good point.. it definitely feels more spacious than the soft dash. Yes It has just gone up for sale on our website... www.thatsclassic.co.uk/for-sale/range-rover-classic-black/ Honestly i think it is under priced for the quality of the body and underneath
Hi, a brilliant video, thank you. Can you please make one about engines in RR Classic? Diesel and gasoline comparison would be appreciated if that is possible.
@@ThatsClassiccars thank you! I’m just about to buy RRC but cannot decide which engine to get. I’d like to take my wife to a couple-of-months road trip across Asia in it.
I’m glad you found it helpful, thankyou for your message. The 2.5 VM is a good engine, nothing wrong with it but I would rank the 200 TDi engine and then the later 300 TDi as the prefer choice. They are slightly more refined and more responsive on the road.
Hard dash, like my LSE, in balance with the overall design of the RRC. Soft dash reminds me more of a Disco, also a very beautiful Land Rover, bu imo that dash is a bit too modern for a classic Range Rover. @thatsClassiccars, what tire size do you have on your RRC?
your rear mud flaps are on around the wrong way, your fan shouldn't roar when you rev the car after it has reached operating temperature, if it does, your fan clutch is broken
I have a 95 RR county lwb, everything works like a charm, only 130 miles in. The only thing thst does NOT work are the locks on the doors. Any ideas on how to fix this? I appreciate any help.
Great choice of models! Do they operate by using the key? Key fobs regularly break and you can just get a aftermarket replace off Ebay or Amazon which can be switched over pretty easily. The later models had door lock modules too.. which could have gone
It is actually kind of soft compared to the older versions.. it was most Likely to improve the safety? Or something like that. I know it’s is a hard choice! They are both cool in my opinion but people have their preferences 😅
@@ThatsClassiccars Ive had 7 hard dash and one soft dash - the soft dash is barely any softer tbh !!. Hard dash was most authentic but the Soft dash was a Brilliant upgrade and was so similar to the Volvo 360 hatchback dash !- which i said would really suit RR Classic !!- Over the Moon when they did soft dash !. Modern RR look so plain and boring nowadays ! Just a blob of gloop
When I was looking o a RRC, it had to be a softdash. For me its the perfect blend of old school looks on the outside with modern touches inside.
That’s a good shout.. I think the AC is cooler on the soft dash versions over the hard dash. I wonder if they had a more powerful AC compressor??
@@ThatsClassiccars Interesting question as Im going to find out in the next few months. Im in Florida and mine is barely passable. Im also wondering if the Middle East market got a better AC set up which would make sense.
When checking for rust you should also look at the rear cross member.
That is also true!
Highly recommend Lanoguard used it for about 4 years now on my Disco 2 ❤
I certainly like the soft dash, but I think I´d go with the hard dash. They are very, very hard to find here in Venezuela, either version. I mean, you rarely see one for sale, it seems the owners prefer to keep it. Thanks for your video. :)
Thankyou! The hard dash definitely is more original.. I bet they are rare there.. are you cars LHD ? Like the states?
Yes, more original. Could be a little better, but it's very cool all the same! Yeah, LHD here, like in the States. I enjoy your videos. I love Classic Range Rovers!
Black exterior and whisky brown leather interior would be by choice. Nice vid! Thanks for posting.
Thanks Bro! That definitely is the more "classic" of the 2...
Just got my first RRC (light resto jobby). Soft dash '94 - really enjoying it!
I'd definitely choose soft dash again as it still has the touch of retro aesthetic, with enough modern comfort to not feel like a compromising drive over a newer car :)
Amazing! Great choice.. it’s a very true statement…. Enjoy!
I hate sailing into Limington when a ferry is coming out , not much room . Love Range Rovers .
Very true! It does get busy up there
I’d have either, they’re both very exec compared to my Land Rover Lightweight 😉😎😎
Hahaha isn’t that the truth! 🤣
There seems to be more room for big feet under the original dash. Feels a little more cramped under the softdash when shuffling about. Also fine the 'softdash' steering wheel obscured some of the brinicle warning light compared to the older design.
That is actually very true, Lots more space for big feet under the older version (Hard Dash) In the soft dash there isn't as much room
"They rust like hell". So what can you do to protect yourself aggainst that these days then?
I think it's the same guy who also did my headliner and good to see you've got Magnecor HT leads on.....
The set on my 110 gave up after 15 years which I consider well worth the money..... considering they only have a 10-year warranty on them....
As to which I prefer my answer is both despite the fact that I have a soft Dash......
Which unfortunately means that it's been blessed with combinations of classic,
Discovery 2,
And the odd p-38 component.
Witch naturally means it's right minefield of getting compatible parts for example the electric window mechanisms are discovery 2,
A lot of the electrical system is discovery 2 mixed with classic.....
The alternator is discovery 2,
As you can see a right headache.....
All the same Great video.
Oh Yeah it probably was the same guy, he's very helpful and really efficient. I've seen him replace a headlining in an hour or so. Pretty damn quick. Yes i've been happy with the leads actually, they work well. worth the extra spend on them.
Lol, This is my issue with the soft dash, I find it is almost more luxurious but also its basically a discovery.. The ride also seems different to the hard dash too, I wonder if that it is Because my soft dash had a spring conversion?
That sounds a nightmare with parts too....
@@ThatsClassiccars when I purchased the vehicle the previous previous owner had fitted really hard Springs so hard that they cracked the windscreen in three places with the extra rigidity........ so I immediately fitted a new set of coil springs and dampers..... in a few years time once those Springs go rusty I will convert it back to air suspension as she was fitted with it originally.....
I think the only thing that keeps us and going with these old girls is the fact that they are gorgeous looking vehicles...... and with vehicles sizes only getting bigger it's now not that bigger vehicle as they once were.
@@daler2577 Yes thats so true! They aren't "Big" anymore compared to the new line of vehicles.
Thats incredible it cracked the windscreen because shocks were so hard! I fitted the "Police Spec" springs on this and i was happy with the ride, also Terrafirma shocks which i am a fan of. Comfortable ride but still stiff enough to handle corners.
Nice one for putting the air suspension back on, a lovely ride when they work well.
Helpful Video!!! Thank u a lot. Greetings from Germany :)
Amazing Thankyou :))
The cruise control will be a split in one of the vacuum pipe hose or the vacuum bellow most likely.....same as on the (P38). you must have a Vogue SE as they we're the only model to be fitted with cruise control as far as I know.
Oh wow! That’s good to know.. so it could be a simple fix?
LSE was too. My hard dash LSE has CC.
@@TheArtistsWay67 That would have been a highly specced form the factory
Also worth checking the control unit esp if the tubes and vacuum bellow are ok.
(in fact I'll bet you a pint it's the unit 🤣)
The RRC/D1 CC suffers the same malady as all GEMS P38s, namely the abysmal Hella CC control unit (AMR1173). I've replaced 6-7 of these over the years and fixed many more... and eventually started just replacing them with the later Thor Hella CC units (AMR5700) which are infinitely better.
Incidentally, the AMR1137s are also found on all early-late 90's Audis (esp the A6!) which also suffered the equal misery of constant failure (but much more difficult to access in an Audi!)
Repairing the AMR1173's C7, C9, and C11 joints on the PCB is possible, but will never guarantee a long life. Splicing in the AMR5700 unit is a fairly simple process; easy enough for even the most modest of tinkerers (there's an extra pink wire which is purley diagnostics - just leave that one.) the rest are almost identical.
I can't take all the credit for this as many more RRC/D1/P38 owners figured this one out along the way.
There's a really good step-by-step write up on that fine site RR.net.
www.rangerovers.net/threads/retrofit-pre-99-cruise-control-ecu-with-99-ecu-information.45698/
I always thought that the soft dash was only used because at that time all new cars had to have air bags fitted.
The hard dash is better because the soft dash makes the interior feel more cramped and also the steering wheel is at the wrong angle on the soft dash.
Some people like the soft dash because it looks more modern but surely if you want modern then you wouldn't be buying a RRC.
I think i've seen this one is for sale?
That is a very good point, I love the "Classic" vibe of the hard dash but a very good point.. it definitely feels more spacious than the soft dash. Yes It has just gone up for sale on our website...
www.thatsclassic.co.uk/for-sale/range-rover-classic-black/ Honestly i think it is under priced for the quality of the body and underneath
Hi, a brilliant video, thank you. Can you please make one about engines in RR Classic? Diesel and gasoline comparison would be appreciated if that is possible.
Great Suggestion! I was actually thinking about this just the other day. I will definitely look to get one made for you guys 🙏
@@ThatsClassiccars thank you! I’m just about to buy RRC but cannot decide which engine to get. I’d like to take my wife to a couple-of-months road trip across Asia in it.
thank you for your video, it is very helpful as i am looking to buy one. would you recommend the 2.5 VM engine?
I’m glad you found it helpful, thankyou for your message. The 2.5 VM is a good engine, nothing wrong with it but I would rank the 200 TDi engine and then the later 300 TDi as the prefer choice. They are slightly more refined and more responsive on the road.
Hard dash, like my LSE, in balance with the overall design of the RRC. Soft dash reminds me more of a Disco, also a very beautiful Land Rover, bu imo that dash is a bit too modern for a classic Range Rover.
@thatsClassiccars, what tire size do you have on your RRC?
I know where you’re coming from.. the AC on the soft dash is cooler though 😅
your rear mud flaps are on around the wrong way, your fan shouldn't roar when you rev the car after it has reached operating temperature, if it does, your fan clutch is broken
Oh That's interesting! Thanks for the message.. I learn something new everyday
I have a 95 RR county lwb, everything works like a charm, only 130 miles in. The only thing thst does NOT work are the locks on the doors. Any ideas on how to fix this? I appreciate any help.
Great choice of models! Do they operate by using the key? Key fobs regularly break and you can just get a aftermarket replace off Ebay or Amazon which can be switched over pretty easily. The later models had door lock modules too.. which could have gone
What’s comparisant ?
It’s French.. you wouldn’t understand
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Can i know what do u recommend long wheelbase or short wheelbase and 4.2 or 3.9 plz
I really like the look of the Short wheel base models with the 3.9 engine but the LSE (The long wheel base) has extra leg room in the rear
Hi is this up for sale? I’m sure I’ve seen it somewhere?
Yes it was for sale and now it is sold.. Keep an eye on our website as we do have others available www.thatsclassic.co.uk
dunno why LR call it a Soft Dash !! its no softer than the original dash !!!!!! Both Dashes are Mega Design !! Torn between the two tbh
It is actually kind of soft compared to the older versions.. it was most Likely to improve the safety? Or something like that.
I know it’s is a hard choice! They are both cool in my opinion but people have their preferences 😅
@@ThatsClassiccars
Ive had 7 hard dash and one soft dash - the soft dash is barely any softer tbh !!.
Hard dash was most authentic but the Soft dash was a Brilliant upgrade and was so similar to the Volvo 360 hatchback dash !- which i said would really suit RR Classic !!- Over the Moon when they did soft dash !.
Modern RR look so plain and boring nowadays ! Just a blob of gloop