I kinda like how Moira is at first dumbstruck into silence, when Lifeweaver instead of condeming her expresses concern for her wellbeing. You can tell that she's not used to people caring about HER, but what they can get from her.
That’s such a good interaction. She gets emotionally confused and then makes a joke about it, which is such a human response to a situation like this. And the joke itself is good (and a little dark)
Moira makes a solid point on being entitled to patience. When I broke my leg, it took forever to recover and every night I felt miserable because I was in pain and couldn’t do basic movements… Sometimes you don’t know how it feels until you’re in the position yourself. Moira is such a interesting character, always loved her in this game
@@randomdude4360 Ok incase you don't know, basically Moira's saying that she would rather continue progressing her research as fast as possible, no matter the cost. The pressure of humanity's failings can certainly weigh on scientists a lot, so it's quite natural for them to take risks in the name of progress. If you've seen the Netflix show 'Arcane', you may already be familiar with this concept. There's 2 characters from that show in particular that share a very similar ideology, but I won't go into detail incase you haven't seen it.
@@pokimanefartcompilation Nope I did not watch that show yet, however, it is very interesting that her ideology revolves around the pressure of creating something ASAP since yeah a scientist who creates a cure for cancer in 1 year would benifit humanity way more than one that does it in 50 years. But I never really thought about the pressure that brings to a lot of scientists...
Besides, she's literally killing herself to experiment She isn't a mad scientist that tortures people for the sake of knowledge, she doesn't inflict any more pain on others than she does to herself How gross her arm became from the transition of Overwatch 1 to Overwatch 2 is enough proof of that, that's what Lifeweaver refers to, to which Moira simply answers that "she thrives under a deadline" She inflicted herself with her disease that WILL kill her just to force herself to find a cure as quick as possible
@@jacksonville9642 I think her inflicting the disease on herself is due to her getting no funding from overwatch or any goverment for that matter, so she has no labrats or should I say labpeople, hence why she was forced to test her new 'invention' out on herself.
That Winston interaction is oddly wholesome. The only other person smart and nerdy enough to get his sense of humor, tied by a common interest and not divided by other labels.
well not really "only" other person, like i feel every other character there is some kind of scientist, and even if not its not particularly difficult joke to know.
Every Scientist actually has a response this, even Junk who has one in response. "Depends will it make me go He He?" Na and He both being elements. It probably has even more depth that im missing lol
Moira's a terrible yet tragic character. Her obsession with pushing the envelope with living things with no remorse has literally doomed her to die as her own experiments slowly kill her.
@@ElusiveTybut even the top pro players have to put in INSANE amounts of time to do the bronze to gm stuff. Honestly compared to literally anyone else in the game lifeweaver just sucks. Which is sad.
There was a line she used to say in OW1 in Oasis "This is now my home... as much as any other", I think is more depressing that any of the interactions from the video.
@@Olivia_Sombra It's a shame that blizzard just throws away so many good voice lines and interactions along with OW1, fortunately the wiki still has a compilation of them and many has an audio file.
I love moira for this specific reason. a ton of people think she's just purely evil, but I think she really does just care about learning, and nothing can stop her from continuing to learn. if moira were just evil and liked torturing people and animals, would she inflict decay upon herself? of course not. she does it purely to continue learning (and most likely, she's found that she is her own best test subject). and I think, in a lot of ways, that's beautiful. also incredibly stupid, to most people, but I don't think moira cares about her own life, credibility, career, or wellbeing, she only cares about progress and knowledge. and I can respect that, honestly.
One of my headcanon is that she used herself as a test subject when she suspected Overwatch was about to kick her out and before she knew the existence of Blackwatch. In her origin story trailer we see that it is the last thing she did before having to pack things up. So I like to think she was ready to use herself as a test subject to try and prove to Overwatch that her research on evolution wasn't all that bad but still got removed from the organization.
I do sooo wish they gave more depth to the characters like you describe but canonically, unfortunately its just pure "good" and "bad" characters. I think they don't know what to do with the story or don't really care for it anymore.
exactly shes so misunderstood and its ironic because thats how shes meant to be amonst the characters too. Mercy is portrayed as the hero, while moira is like her counterpart "villian", and yet while moira litterally tests on herself, bringing her down to the level of the people shes trying to save, mercy is above everyone, she sits in her Valkyrie suit that makes her immortal and mocks moira, talking about how she'd rather wait centuries for progress, easy to say when she isnt aging. And people probably get this idea by how she interacts with characters, yet never is moira rude, or does she ever insult anyone, she has witty comebacks, but characters always come for her FIRST. When they are nice to her or understanding, so is she. You can see this with winston, junkrat and lifeweaver. Junkrat asks if she needs a lab assistant, despite him being obviously idiotic, and hated by most characters, moira out of everyone is nice to him, she just seems genuinely happy when he shows an interest in her work, and explains to him what if would mean.
The last one hits hard if you care about Moira and her interesting lore. Niran is the *only* person who has ever shown concern for her during her experiments.
There's nothing depressing about Moira . She 's on a deadline obviously so no time for grief or remorse . Only dedicated to fulfill her ...uh... objective ?
It’s a matter of perspective. Like Zen said: “Someone always cares, you must simply seek them out.” Moira is dedicated to her craft and wants to find a way to regress decay, even if she takes her own life doing so. Lifeweaver however, seems to care in a way, given how he sounds worried in one of their interactions: Lifeweaver: “What is your fascination with artificial decay?” Moira: “To reverse entropy we must tame it.” Lifeweaver: “But inflicting it on yourself? You’re withering away!” Moira: “I’ve always thrived under a deadline.” Moira does not care, but Lifeweaver does. That’s what makes it depressing. Then again, it’s a matter of perspective.
I think Moira's character as a whole is what's depressing. She herself may not be particularly sad or distressed in any way, but you can clearly tell that she's likely just adapted to her shitty life. I see her as one of those "It is what it is" characters. No matter what pain or difficulties she may experience, it means nothing to her as long as she just keeps working. She's an obsessed workaholic with ambitions that are clearly beyond her grasp, yet she constantly pursues them nonetheless, even though it may break her. I think the saddest part of her character is her desperation for understanding of science and the evolution of mankind. An ambition always in the back of her mind, yet so far out of reach.... Or who knows, maybe I'm just looking into it too much🤷♂️
@@pokimanefartcompilationthat’s not depressing man. Super weird to me how you hit the nail on the head in every way except realizing she did this to herself (and others), and finds enjoyment in doing so. She’s clearly a largely inquisitive person, and she risked her life in the name of science.. on purpose. She quite literally a “mad” scientist (as in crazy, twisted). It’s not depressing cuz she’s getting exactly what she wants and by her convos with mercy, genji, & sombra, it’s apparent she wouldn’t consider her own life “shitty”. If anything it’s just scary how twisted she is
@@BlooBoi23 I think you may have missed my point. I wasn't necessarily saying that Moira herself is depressed, but rather her character is depressing from an outside perspective. But look, if you disagree with me that's totally cool. Personally I just really like Moira's character and I enjoy when villains have multiple layers to them rather than just being cartoonishly evil.
Arguably, we don't even know her motives. People wake up in the morning and decide to paint their bedroom, or try a new hairstyle because they feel ambitious. Nobody just turns to unethical science to reverse decay, at a potential risk to their own life, as an attempt to perfect the human genome just because they woke up one day feeling ambitious. I have a feeling that there's most likely something that happened to cause the unethical experimentation. Something we might find out eventually. Or would have, if some sort of PvE campaign were happening. Which it isn't.
I think a rather tragic concept is that even if Moira succeeded in her plans, she will likely die soon after, and all of her success would likely be given to the only person who would actually be able to use it, Angela.
If so, we have an opportunity of a great conclusion to the story of two rivals: after succeeding in her findings and discovering a way to literally reverse aging and death, Moira is met on her deathbed by Angela, saying that through all the horrors she caused and endured, she finally found a way to make people's lives better. Angela comes to realisation of what Moira had achieved, and tried to help her, but ultimately failed. Dying, Moira gives Angela all of the rights to use and develop her discoveries, because, at the end of the day, both of them were serving one goal - to make world a better place. After Moira's death, Angela forgives her enemy and firstly thinks of following her last wish, using the data as her own, but at the end decides that because of the horrible methods of collecting that data, she won't be able to live peacefully if she labels it as her discoveries, ultimately giving the credit to Moira O'Dornan while presenting the data to the global science and continuing the work in the memory of her past rival.
@@SkarrierO'Deorain I think idk ,nice plot tho. I love Moira she's very much a grey character but deep down good she just is making too many sacrifices because she feels responsible since she believes she is capable of helping people with her research results.
@@Skarrier Too bad Blizzard is too retarded to come up with something like that, like they can't even keep their current story timeline straight look at everyone ages. (mainly Kiriko, Hanzo, Genji and Mercy, Pharah. McCree too, sorry, Cassidy.)
@@CheeseGlace But she's literally there because they fund her research while also not caring about the ethics of it, in her way of thinking The end DOES justify the means, if it means creating immortality or a cure for every disease ever.
@@KalleDemos666 exactly, it’s UNETHICAL science. She is sadistic and has many voice lines hinting at the brutality of her experiments. Not to mention yeah she literally is being funded by terrorists, and her research will certainly be weaponized by Talon, just like Reaper and Widow
A couple of months ago, I was thinking about what Moira's ult would look like if she were the opposite of Mercy. And I just imagined that in this case she would also "resurrect" her ally from the dead, but then this ally will become a "monster" (as in Moira's experiments on living beings) with alternative abilities and ult, but with rapidly fading HP, which can only be restored by damaging the enemies or Moira's heal.
I would’ve included Moira’s interaction with Mei here, I forget the exact wording but Moira seemed genuinely excited to discuss Mei’s cryogenic research and Mei just shuts her down, claiming they don’t have a common goal to warrant collaboration.
And Moira ends it with a punch to the gut: “Of course… I’ve heard you prefer working *alone*” Also according to another comment this line changes with the mythic skin but I can’t confirm since don’t have it
Ok, but Mei shuts her down gently? She says that their methods don't match which they don't, also from Mei's perspective, Moira could also come off as a little intimidating/scary. Also Mei clearly sounds uncomfortable but still wants to be nice (atleast in my opinion) She is telling Moira "No I don't want to", politely
Quite late to this, but her tone in those voicelines is very sarcastic, like she's mocking him. It would make more sense as she seems to mostly exasperated/annoyed with him in her other interactions.
you don't wanna know how many cute animals are sacrificed for research every year. this is a thing that kinda bothers me about how they make moira seem vile for experimenting on rabbits like sure..it's sad but realistic. Tbh mercy feels like such a fake in comparison because no way can you scientifically advance like her without experimenting on animals at least several times, i mean it would be kinda reckless to work directly on people the first times, if you think about it.
@@chita8908 Is Mercy even a scientist/researcher? Pretty sure she's just a Doctor who is very talented at healing people. She doesn't have any vision or will besides helping people in the moment. That's why she even says that line about how she'd rather wait for progress than "do harm", not realizing that most of the healing she does to people most very likely comes from other researchers who pushed the boundaries.
@@amos_fr6070 frankly i'm not so sure but didn't she create the nano technology she uses for healing (the tech that Ana suposedly stole from her). This is why Moira respects her so much (when she tells her she can come to Oasis) despite Mercy's constant jabs at her. And creating such technology out of nothing, without any proper testing on something else prior to testing it on people and for that thing to just work perfectly because Mercy is so talented seems kinda...unrealistic but I digress, it's some game lore we're talking abt anyway. So in a way I'd say that she was at one point a scientist even if she curently does more healing than research.
She has a newish especially brutal one with Mei Moira: I've read your report on cryogenically preserving severed appendages. I'd be happy to assist in your research. Mei: No thank you. I don't think our methodologies are very aligned. Moira: Of course... I've heard you prefer working *alone*.
Also... she actually has TWO positive (or neutral?) ones with Sombra (shockingly) in which they seem to be joking with each other Sombra: You stopping in to see Max? I love how you make him squirm. Moira: Mm, it's amusing. I don't even experiment on Omnics. Sombra: ...yet? Moira: *laughs* Yet. Sombra: You ever broken patient confidentiality? Moira: I can't say. Sombra: You're good.
@waitselljones8068 She has a slight twist on the mei one if you have the mythic skin on .Instead of her saying mei prefers working alone .She says come now doctor I'm only trying to help
Her interaction with Lifeweaver still just hits so hard. Her committment to her own work and studies is close to insane, slowly killing herself for science
the mercy and moira interactions only really make me dislike mercy more tbh. i dont condone the things moira has done but damn atleast she actually cares about helping people get better to the point that shes experimenting on herself and risking her own death. the frustration in the line “how it must feel to be entitled to patience” plays it out perfectly
Huh? We don’t know much about Moira’s lore but there isn’t enough info if she actually cares abt other ppl vs doing it for her self. It could be implied, but we have more information on mercy actually caring about others
Really love her. Not only for being a redhead and extremely intelligent but for her cynicism and sarcasm, that's an attitude one develops after dealing too many annoying people.
“I’ve always thrived under a deadline.” I love this reponce because not only does she disregard other people’s lives but her own as well and it’s so badass.
Uhh, the voiceline with lightweaver allways gives me chills and I also can relate more to Moira. I risk even my own healthyness to get closer to my goals.
“when we’re younger, we’re taught the distinction between a hero and a villian. good and evil. saviour and a lost cause. but what if the only real difference is just who’s telling the story?” reminds me of moira and all the other supports🙁 i love her so much
Whats more depressing is that theres a voice line where sigma does not like to be with talon but sombra tries to make him feel better and in this voiceline there is a continuation to that which shows how sombra really is not that bad of a person just in the wrong path
The pause after weavers interaction followed up by a joke to play it off says a lot about her. She is undeniably a bad person however she definitely wasn’t always that way considering she had to take a moment to process that weaver wasn’t expressing any negative emotions towards her other than pure concern for her wellbeing, and since she never really receives any type of positive interactions she doesn’t know how to properly reply about her situation she just plays it off.
"What a joy it must be to be entitled to patience." This. This is the line that put me on moira's side forever. So many problems in the world left on the backburner which, if more people were willing to go gloves-off for them, could be fixed quickly and efficiently. The difference being those at the top can keep things the way they are and still be comfortable, while those at the bottom just continue to suffer.
Mercy has developed technology to decrease aging, but only used it in herself. She also has a no harm policy and uses her scientifical discoveries to heal people, hence the primary gun. The problem of this all is that she rivals with Moira, that has a sped-up deadline on her lifespan and ignores moral values when testing. It's completely different to say you'd wait a century when you're probably immortal and the person by your side is testing every day with a limited lifespan.
0:34 It wouldve been cool if in the mirrorwatch event they wouldve made genji a talon agent. They couldve given him unique abilities that he got through moiras experiments on him after he almost got killed by hanzo.
I don't say that moira had any right to turn Reaper and Widowmaker to that what they are now, but I understand her point. She wants to create progresse as fast as possible
@@Florence_calls TBF he probably didn't expect to get turned into a immortal rotting corpse with permanent chronic pain with nanotechnology that revives him even if he wishes to die
There is one thing I can agree with Moira on. Sometimes in order to succeed I progress, we must always push the boundaries that hold us back. However she forgets that the more you take, the less you have...
The lifeweaver one is pretty sad. Moira isn't used to people acually caring about her, and Lifeweaver acually being concerned for her heath kinda got to her. You can tell based on that little pause she does before responding.
You know I feel sad for Moira. And hearing how things are for her I just wanna give her a hug tell her everything will be alright and that she is more then just what she can do for others and that she matters too
I understand Moira’s desire for progress no matter what to an extent. How many lives could be saved and how many diseases cured, limbs regrown, and painful conditions reversed if we didn’t worry about harming test subjects? It’s not moral of course, but to her the ends may justify the means.
This is why Moira is my favorite charecter she’s a very complex and amazing charecter no matter what you gotta hand it to blizzard they know how to make characters I believe she’s not a villian but more a neutral anti hero she dosent want world domination like doom fist the only reason she’s with talon is because they fund and help her with her scientific endeavors she only wants science to move forward and to help others she’s even willing to harm her self in the process look at her overwatch 2 skin lifeweaver is right she is practically killing herself for that experiment and it’s amazing to see her shock that instead of someone only careing about what her experiments offer like doomfist or the ethical debates like mercy lifeweaver is actually worried about the damage it’s doing to her mercy is a sad charecter she was basically shunned by the science world because they thought her experiments were unethical and sure while that could be a proper point sometimes the results and the good it can do does out of it outweighs the efforts it took to make it I love Moria and I hope they keep adding to her lore I would love to to see her maybe defect from talon maybing feeling bad about sigma (which btw I love that sombra is his bf and protector) and maybe she kinda goes out on her own even maybe helping overwatch
you missed her most depressing interaction. when she asks to work with mei and mei declines and moira says something like "i've heard you prefer to work alone" hinting at all of mei's colleagues who died. it was so cold even for moira.
Exactly, and Mei, honestly wasn't even rude about it, she literally just politely declined her offer ToT Moira: I've read your report on cryogenically preserving severed appendages. I'd be happy to assist in your research. Mei: No thank you. I don't think our methodologies are very aligned. Moira: Of course. I've heard you prefer working alone.
There's an interesting connection between Moira and Reaper's powers. Both of their attacks have a form of lifesteal, and both of them have abilities that makes them ethereal. In Overwatch 1, there was a common theory that Mercy held some responsibility for Reaper's condition but that Moira turned the condition into a weapon. If that's true, she may have also proliferated those abilities to herself, which would explain why she, too, is withering now.
Her personality is the main reason i ended up having her as my main. If i want to rank higher i need to learn others too but she's always gonna be my fave
0:44 I don't like that Mercy voiceline because as Moira says, must be nice feeling entitled to patience. Like yeah, her experiments are a grey area at best but that's how progress is made for good or bad.
I respect Moira she knows that she dont have time left and using this time to make humans less miserable, i know its future where almost everything can be cured but still humans are too weak and she wants them to be more happier
i like how she actually humored winstons periodic table joke I may not favor what she's done in the lore- but i do like her a substantially more after that little interaction
For anyone wondering Moira is essentially a portrayal of Jeckyl and Hyde; someone who meant well but became corrupted by their own works. She is evil but more so in a way that she’s less empathetic. She doesn’t care, all she wants is to complete her experiments. Moira has the potential to be a good person but she’s let herself be consumed by her work for far too long. That’s why Angela brings up their “ethical obligations” because at the end of the day, Moira is still a doctor. One who prefers to prioritize her own madness over the safety of her patients or rather test subjects.
I throughly enjoy Moira as a character. They don't say as much, but I suspect she has some kind of genetic disorder or a terminal disease and that's what's driving her to make strides in medicine... regardless of what happens so long as she can make that progress to get to the results *she* needs to survive
Moira is probably the most interesting character in Overwatch. Morally complex, very intelligent, and singularly focused on furthering scientific progress through any means necessary, including sacrificing others, and herself.
Only really "depressing" line out of all of this is Lifeweaver's one. She seems in control in all other interactions and has some wit to parry jabs at herself, but not here. She slips a bit, it almost looks defensive. Doesn't help at all, that Niran is basically only one who is expressing concern towards her and not distaste, disgust or simple formal etiquette. Genevieve's delivery is so absurdly good.
Moira isnt really evil in a way, just if science didnt have laws, we could rapidly save more lives than lose, this is coming from someone studying medicine
Such a well written character...her and sigma are my favorite. I love her witty interactions but I still do wonder to this day why is she going to such extremes because you can see she is not that evil but like she is tied to a deadline...is she trying to revive a loved one from a decay of some sort or what, I honestly doubt it's her own desire for knowledge that would push her to do those extreme things. Even her answer to Mercy "What a joy it must be to feel entitled to patience" feels like she is in a hurry to discover something...
It makes me wonder what her motivation is for conducting these human experiments in the first place. Perhaps there is someone we don’t know about yet whom she is trying to save that is also on a “deadline”. Just doing it for the scientific advancement seems like a lame excuse.
the depressing interactions are sad.
until Winston comes in with his periodic table joke
It's such an bad joke that it was put into depressing
all the lines were all downers, and the corny joke made actually laugh from surpise
That interaction with Winston was real nice
That joke was pure combustion
Hardly any of these were depressing lol
Moira's VA is one of the best hands down. She just reads the lines so well.
Her and Doomfist are two of my favorites for that reason. The line deliveries are just flawless and their voices are fantastic
Moira, widow and reaper have great voice actors
it's hard to imagine a timeline where we got Terry Crews as Doomfist instead.
Also sigma's va is amazing, have you watched his origin story? overwatch really knows how to pick a talented voice actor
Don't forget Ramattra too ..
I kinda like how Moira is at first dumbstruck into silence, when Lifeweaver instead of condeming her expresses concern for her wellbeing. You can tell that she's not used to people caring about HER, but what they can get from her.
Exactly, same here. That small pause before she replied tells a lot imo
stop i hadn’t noticed this and it makes me adore their interaction even more
All the more reason why I love Weaver. That interaction is one of my favourites.
She even joked with him when she said "i always thrived under a deadline" wich makes me like her even more
That’s such a good interaction. She gets emotionally confused and then makes a joke about it, which is such a human response to a situation like this. And the joke itself is good (and a little dark)
"I've always thrived under a deadline"
Honestly such a hard line, Moira's gotta be one of the most badass characters.
That was so hard
Thats the only one that really struck me as sad, she's killing herself for the sake of her experiment and lifeweaver is concerned for her
😢
Moira is slowly killing herself for progress. She has her own sad story.
She's the definition of "It is what it is"
Her own fault.
@@Darkvega2k7 no u
@@Darkvega2k7That’s what they said, They said “Moria is slowly killing herself”
"No cost too great"
White Midget
Moira makes a solid point on being entitled to patience.
When I broke my leg, it took forever to recover and every night I felt miserable because I was in pain and couldn’t do basic movements…
Sometimes you don’t know how it feels until you’re in the position yourself.
Moira is such a interesting character, always loved her in this game
dang ive never really understood what she ment by that, really does put matters into perspective.
@@randomdude4360 Ok incase you don't know, basically Moira's saying that she would rather continue progressing her research as fast as possible, no matter the cost.
The pressure of humanity's failings can certainly weigh on scientists a lot, so it's quite natural for them to take risks in the name of progress.
If you've seen the Netflix show 'Arcane', you may already be familiar with this concept.
There's 2 characters from that show in particular that share a very similar ideology, but I won't go into detail incase you haven't seen it.
@@pokimanefartcompilation Nope I did not watch that show yet, however, it is very interesting that her ideology revolves around the pressure of creating something ASAP since yeah a scientist who creates a cure for cancer in 1 year would benifit humanity way more than one that does it in 50 years. But I never really thought about the pressure that brings to a lot of scientists...
Besides, she's literally killing herself to experiment
She isn't a mad scientist that tortures people for the sake of knowledge, she doesn't inflict any more pain on others than she does to herself
How gross her arm became from the transition of Overwatch 1 to Overwatch 2 is enough proof of that, that's what Lifeweaver refers to, to which Moira simply answers that "she thrives under a deadline"
She inflicted herself with her disease that WILL kill her just to force herself to find a cure as quick as possible
@@jacksonville9642 I think her inflicting the disease on herself is due to her getting no funding from overwatch or any goverment for that matter, so she has no labrats or should I say labpeople, hence why she was forced to test her new 'invention' out on herself.
That Winston interaction is oddly wholesome. The only other person smart and nerdy enough to get his sense of humor, tied by a common interest and not divided by other labels.
well not really "only" other person, like i feel every other character there is some kind of scientist, and even if not its not particularly difficult joke to know.
Junkrat responds the same way
Every Scientist actually has a response this, even Junk who has one in response.
"Depends will it make me go He He?" Na and He both being elements.
It probably has even more depth that im missing lol
Not divided by other labels 😂
Winston: Overwatch scientist
Moira: Talon scientist (for now)
Definitely divided by labels
Winton
I love that even though Lifeweaver knows that Moira is a bad guy, he still sounds genuinely concerned for her.
"You are bad guy, but that does not mean you are BAD guy."
“I’d rather wait a century for progress than cause the harm you have.”
“What a joy is must be, to feel entitled to patience.”
she eats mercy up everytime she opens her mouth
@@oso6713👀😏
Moira's a terrible yet tragic character. Her obsession with pushing the envelope with living things with no remorse has literally doomed her to die as her own experiments slowly kill her.
you dont know that she will die she mei science the heck out of it. :P
Her interaction with WifeLeaver actually did make me feel sad.
He’s such a nice character. Shame he underperforms ingame tho
@@mordecai6351Underperformance is merely a skill issue. All heroes can (and have) reached top 500
...WifeLeaver?
@@ElusiveTybut even the top pro players have to put in INSANE amounts of time to do the bronze to gm stuff. Honestly compared to literally anyone else in the game lifeweaver just sucks. Which is sad.
@@ElusiveTy and as per now, only 1 lifeweaver one trick had reach top 500. So shut your mouth, he's a horrible hero.
That Gengi interaction really has a Biopunk Vs Steelpunk vibe
There was a line she used to say in OW1 in Oasis "This is now my home... as much as any other", I think is more depressing that any of the interactions from the video.
Trust me, I looked for that line everywhere. Sad part is that I didn't think to make this video when OW 1 was still available.
@@Olivia_Sombra It's a shame that blizzard just throws away so many good voice lines and interactions along with OW1, fortunately the wiki still has a compilation of them and many has an audio file.
I love moira for this specific reason. a ton of people think she's just purely evil, but I think she really does just care about learning, and nothing can stop her from continuing to learn. if moira were just evil and liked torturing people and animals, would she inflict decay upon herself? of course not. she does it purely to continue learning (and most likely, she's found that she is her own best test subject). and I think, in a lot of ways, that's beautiful. also incredibly stupid, to most people, but I don't think moira cares about her own life, credibility, career, or wellbeing, she only cares about progress and knowledge. and I can respect that, honestly.
One of my headcanon is that she used herself as a test subject when she suspected Overwatch was about to kick her out and before she knew the existence of Blackwatch. In her origin story trailer we see that it is the last thing she did before having to pack things up. So I like to think she was ready to use herself as a test subject to try and prove to Overwatch that her research on evolution wasn't all that bad but still got removed from the organization.
She is still evil
She will not only sacrifice herself for progress but unwilling others too.
Until she experiments on you without your consent xD
I do sooo wish they gave more depth to the characters like you describe but canonically, unfortunately its just pure "good" and "bad" characters. I think they don't know what to do with the story or don't really care for it anymore.
exactly shes so misunderstood and its ironic because thats how shes meant to be amonst the characters too. Mercy is portrayed as the hero, while moira is like her counterpart "villian", and yet while moira litterally tests on herself, bringing her down to the level of the people shes trying to save, mercy is above everyone, she sits in her Valkyrie suit that makes her immortal and mocks moira, talking about how she'd rather wait centuries for progress, easy to say when she isnt aging.
And people probably get this idea by how she interacts with characters, yet never is moira rude, or does she ever insult anyone, she has witty comebacks, but characters always come for her FIRST. When they are nice to her or understanding, so is she. You can see this with winston, junkrat and lifeweaver. Junkrat asks if she needs a lab assistant, despite him being obviously idiotic, and hated by most characters, moira out of everyone is nice to him, she just seems genuinely happy when he shows an interest in her work, and explains to him what if would mean.
The last one hits hard if you care about Moira and her interesting lore. Niran is the *only* person who has ever shown concern for her during her experiments.
thats why lifeweaver has goat status alongside moira
the way she carries herself so melancholically and lightheartedly through her suffering is so sad
There's nothing depressing about Moira . She 's on a deadline obviously so no time for grief or remorse . Only dedicated to fulfill her ...uh... objective ?
It’s a matter of perspective. Like Zen said: “Someone always cares, you must simply seek them out.” Moira is dedicated to her craft and wants to find a way to regress decay, even if she takes her own life doing so.
Lifeweaver however, seems to care in a way, given how he sounds worried in one of their interactions:
Lifeweaver: “What is your fascination with artificial decay?”
Moira: “To reverse entropy we must tame it.”
Lifeweaver: “But inflicting it on yourself? You’re withering away!”
Moira: “I’ve always thrived under a deadline.”
Moira does not care, but Lifeweaver does. That’s what makes it depressing. Then again, it’s a matter of perspective.
I think Moira's character as a whole is what's depressing. She herself may not be particularly sad or distressed in any way, but you can clearly tell that she's likely just adapted to her shitty life.
I see her as one of those "It is what it is" characters. No matter what pain or difficulties she may experience, it means nothing to her as long as she just keeps working.
She's an obsessed workaholic with ambitions that are clearly beyond her grasp, yet she constantly pursues them nonetheless, even though it may break her.
I think the saddest part of her character is her desperation for understanding of science and the evolution of mankind.
An ambition always in the back of her mind, yet so far out of reach....
Or who knows, maybe I'm just looking into it too much🤷♂️
@@pokimanefartcompilationthat’s not depressing man. Super weird to me how you hit the nail on the head in every way except realizing she did this to herself (and others), and finds enjoyment in doing so. She’s clearly a largely inquisitive person, and she risked her life in the name of science.. on purpose. She quite literally a “mad” scientist (as in crazy, twisted). It’s not depressing cuz she’s getting exactly what she wants and by her convos with mercy, genji, & sombra, it’s apparent she wouldn’t consider her own life “shitty”. If anything it’s just scary how twisted she is
@@BlooBoi23 I think you may have missed my point. I wasn't necessarily saying that Moira herself is depressed, but rather her character is depressing from an outside perspective.
But look, if you disagree with me that's totally cool.
Personally I just really like Moira's character and I enjoy when villains have multiple layers to them rather than just being cartoonishly evil.
Arguably, we don't even know her motives.
People wake up in the morning and decide to paint their bedroom, or try a new hairstyle because they feel ambitious. Nobody just turns to unethical science to reverse decay, at a potential risk to their own life, as an attempt to perfect the human genome just because they woke up one day feeling ambitious.
I have a feeling that there's most likely something that happened to cause the unethical experimentation. Something we might find out eventually. Or would have, if some sort of PvE campaign were happening. Which it isn't.
no ones mentioned her interaction with junkrat that lowkey implies she experiences chronic pain from her arm.
One of my favourite characters. What obsession with finding the truth can do to the most brilliant minds
I think a rather tragic concept is that even if Moira succeeded in her plans, she will likely die soon after, and all of her success would likely be given to the only person who would actually be able to use it, Angela.
If so, we have an opportunity of a great conclusion to the story of two rivals: after succeeding in her findings and discovering a way to literally reverse aging and death, Moira is met on her deathbed by Angela, saying that through all the horrors she caused and endured, she finally found a way to make people's lives better. Angela comes to realisation of what Moira had achieved, and tried to help her, but ultimately failed. Dying, Moira gives Angela all of the rights to use and develop her discoveries, because, at the end of the day, both of them were serving one goal - to make world a better place. After Moira's death, Angela forgives her enemy and firstly thinks of following her last wish, using the data as her own, but at the end decides that because of the horrible methods of collecting that data, she won't be able to live peacefully if she labels it as her discoveries, ultimately giving the credit to Moira O'Dornan while presenting the data to the global science and continuing the work in the memory of her past rival.
@Skarrier that kinda sounds nice but blizzard removed the story
@@SkarrierO'Deorain I think idk ,nice plot tho. I love Moira she's very much a grey character but deep down good she just is making too many sacrifices because she feels responsible since she believes she is capable of helping people with her research results.
@@Skarrier Too bad Blizzard is too retarded to come up with something like that, like they can't even keep their current story timeline straight look at everyone ages. (mainly Kiriko, Hanzo, Genji and Mercy, Pharah. McCree too, sorry, Cassidy.)
1:06 sodium mentioned
How most people are to moira players XD
I’ve always found Moira’s character so relatable, she’s neither evil nor good. She’s… more than any of that crap.
id argue shes fairly evil... considering she is apart of Talon which is literally a terrorist group.
@@CheeseGlace But she's literally there because they fund her research while also not caring about the ethics of it, in her way of thinking The end DOES justify the means, if it means creating immortality or a cure for every disease ever.
@@KalleDemos666 exactly, it’s UNETHICAL science. She is sadistic and has many voice lines hinting at the brutality of her experiments. Not to mention yeah she literally is being funded by terrorists, and her research will certainly be weaponized by Talon, just like Reaper and Widow
@@KalleDemos666 Who will be left to cure when you've already killed everyone through experimenting?
i wonder if we will ever get a "what if" skin for genji where moria was the one who rebult him and not mercy
A couple of months ago, I was thinking about what Moira's ult would look like if she were the opposite of Mercy. And I just imagined that in this case she would also "resurrect" her ally from the dead, but then this ally will become a "monster" (as in Moira's experiments on living beings) with alternative abilities and ult, but with rapidly fading HP, which can only be restored by damaging the enemies or Moira's heal.
perhaps during the alternate universe theme next season?
@@AquaPurePearlVoice o we are?
Winton interaction was wholesome
Not depressing
Is depressing because is the only wholesome interaction she had
@@NessieUsagi crazyyyyyy
"ive always thrived under a deadline" ouch
I would’ve included Moira’s interaction with Mei here, I forget the exact wording but Moira seemed genuinely excited to discuss Mei’s cryogenic research and Mei just shuts her down, claiming they don’t have a common goal to warrant collaboration.
And Moira ends it with a punch to the gut: “Of course… I’ve heard you prefer working *alone*” Also according to another comment this line changes with the mythic skin but I can’t confirm since don’t have it
@@TheDarkPeasantthere’s another variation where she makes a joke responding with “I was just looking to lend a hand”
Ok, but Mei shuts her down gently? She says that their methods don't match which they don't, also from Mei's perspective, Moira could also come off as a little intimidating/scary. Also Mei clearly sounds uncomfortable but still wants to be nice (atleast in my opinion) She is telling Moira "No I don't want to", politely
completely forgot about her conversation with Sigma about his time with the faeries, shes so soft and gentle with him in that its so sad
Quite late to this, but her tone in those voicelines is very sarcastic, like she's mocking him. It would make more sense as she seems to mostly exasperated/annoyed with him in her other interactions.
Wonder how many cute little rabbits were er... needed to achieve this level of scientific confidence ?
you don't wanna know how many cute animals are sacrificed for research every year. this is a thing that kinda bothers me about how they make moira seem vile for experimenting on rabbits like sure..it's sad but realistic. Tbh mercy feels like such a fake in comparison because no way can you scientifically advance like her without experimenting on animals at least several times, i mean it would be kinda reckless to work directly on people the first times, if you think about it.
@@chita8908 agree .That's DVa being naive to Say the least
@@chita8908 Is Mercy even a scientist/researcher? Pretty sure she's just a Doctor who is very talented at healing people. She doesn't have any vision or will besides helping people in the moment. That's why she even says that line about how she'd rather wait for progress than "do harm", not realizing that most of the healing she does to people most very likely comes from other researchers who pushed the boundaries.
@@amos_fr6070 frankly i'm not so sure but didn't she create the nano technology she uses for healing (the tech that Ana suposedly stole from her). This is why Moira respects her so much (when she tells her she can come to Oasis) despite Mercy's constant jabs at her. And creating such technology out of nothing, without any proper testing on something else prior to testing it on people and for that thing to just work perfectly because Mercy is so talented seems kinda...unrealistic but I digress, it's some game lore we're talking abt anyway. So in a way I'd say that she was at one point a scientist even if she curently does more healing than research.
she's definitely one of the most interesting characters in ow
It’s actually wild how Moira has literally 1 positive interaction in the game
I mean, she tortures innocent people and creatures for a living. Nobody likes her.
She has a newish especially brutal one with Mei
Moira: I've read your report on cryogenically preserving severed appendages. I'd be happy to assist in your research.
Mei: No thank you. I don't think our methodologies are very aligned.
Moira: Of course... I've heard you prefer working *alone*.
Also... she actually has TWO positive (or neutral?) ones with Sombra (shockingly) in which they seem to be joking with each other
Sombra: You stopping in to see Max? I love how you make him squirm.
Moira: Mm, it's amusing. I don't even experiment on Omnics.
Sombra: ...yet?
Moira: *laughs* Yet.
Sombra: You ever broken patient confidentiality?
Moira: I can't say.
Sombra: You're good.
@waitselljones8068 She has a slight twist on the mei one if you have the mythic skin on .Instead of her saying mei prefers working alone .She says come now doctor I'm only trying to help
Her interaction with Lifeweaver still just hits so hard. Her committment to her own work and studies is close to insane, slowly killing herself for science
the mercy and moira interactions only really make me dislike mercy more tbh. i dont condone the things moira has done but damn atleast she actually cares about helping people get better to the point that shes experimenting on herself and risking her own death. the frustration in the line “how it must feel to be entitled to patience” plays it out perfectly
what gives you the impression that shes doing it because she cares about other people…
Huh? We don’t know much about Moira’s lore but there isn’t enough info if she actually cares abt other ppl vs doing it for her self. It could be implied, but we have more information on mercy actually caring about others
In my opinion, the only thing she cares about is knowledge.
Tbh i miss the old voice line with cassidy, on route 66
Moira: "this is your home" or some like that
Cassidy: "im from texas."
Really love her. Not only for being a redhead and extremely intelligent but for her cynicism and sarcasm, that's an attitude one develops after dealing too many annoying people.
What a joy it must be, to feel entitled to patience. That hits hard
The only truly sad interaction with Moira is when Wrecking Ball and Mercy are together. They talk about his experimentations.
“I’ve always thrived under a deadline.”
I love this reponce because not only does she disregard other people’s lives but her own as well and it’s so badass.
winston and lifeweaver being the only two of these who dont treat her like a monster makes me so sad
Uhh, the voiceline with lightweaver allways gives me chills and I also can relate more to Moira. I risk even my own healthyness to get closer to my goals.
Not really something to brag about. If anything, it's pitying.
The first time she wasn’t able to give a response was when lifeweiver actually showing sympathy for her. That’s actually really sad 😢
im a Moira Stan i love her SO much
"Yet another stretch of cloudless skies and idyllic ocean views. Wonderful."
D.va "How can you experiment on those cute rabbits?"
Moira "Easily."
💀
“when we’re younger, we’re taught the distinction between a hero and a villian. good and evil. saviour and a lost cause. but what if the only real difference is just who’s telling the story?” reminds me of moira and all the other supports🙁 i love her so much
Can't go wrong with Winston's periodic table
"Moira's depressing interactions"
Shows Winston's periodic table joke
She needs a hug.
Something tells me she isn't a "hugger"
She needs prison.
@@Darkvega2k7 she can need two things
@@Darkvega2k7 you're a pathetic bore
Just like how doomfist and the other villians need prisons too @@Darkvega2k7
Sombra acually feels like she likes sigma as a friend and dosent trick around since she defended him here.
Whats more depressing is that theres a voice line where sigma does not like to be with talon but sombra tries to make him feel better and in this voiceline there is a continuation to that which shows how sombra really is not that bad of a person just in the wrong path
The pause after weavers interaction followed up by a joke to play it off says a lot about her. She is undeniably a bad person however she definitely wasn’t always that way considering she had to take a moment to process that weaver wasn’t expressing any negative emotions towards her other than pure concern for her wellbeing, and since she never really receives any type of positive interactions she doesn’t know how to properly reply about her situation she just plays it off.
Moira is one of my fave characters lore wise
"What a joy it must be to be entitled to patience." This. This is the line that put me on moira's side forever. So many problems in the world left on the backburner which, if more people were willing to go gloves-off for them, could be fixed quickly and efficiently. The difference being those at the top can keep things the way they are and still be comfortable, while those at the bottom just continue to suffer.
Pls tell me more
Mercy has developed technology to decrease aging, but only used it in herself. She also has a no harm policy and uses her scientifical discoveries to heal people, hence the primary gun. The problem of this all is that she rivals with Moira, that has a sped-up deadline on her lifespan and ignores moral values when testing. It's completely different to say you'd wait a century when you're probably immortal and the person by your side is testing every day with a limited lifespan.
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It wouldve been cool if in the mirrorwatch event they wouldve made genji a talon agent. They couldve given him unique abilities that he got through moiras experiments on him after he almost got killed by hanzo.
I don't say that moira had any right to turn Reaper and Widowmaker to that what they are now, but I understand her point. She wants to create progresse as fast as possible
Reaper wanted it though, at least not in this form
@@munchiemunchie5226 Ok, but he literally asks her if she can help him, and she basically tells him to deal with it.
@@Florence_calls TBF he probably didn't expect to get turned into a immortal rotting corpse with permanent chronic pain with nanotechnology that revives him even if he wishes to die
There is one thing I can agree with Moira on. Sometimes in order to succeed I progress, we must always push the boundaries that hold us back. However she forgets that the more you take, the less you have...
"I've always thrived under a deadline" is such a way of saying "I got this but if I die I die"
The lifeweaver one is pretty sad. Moira isn't used to people acually caring about her, and Lifeweaver acually being concerned for her heath kinda got to her. You can tell based on that little pause she does before responding.
That line between life weaver and her I felt that.. the worst pain can be that of which we self inflicted..
You know I feel sad for Moira. And hearing how things are for her I just wanna give her a hug tell her everything will be alright and that she is more then just what she can do for others and that she matters too
The junk one should be here when she says pain is very much related to science
Sombra is right here. Moira likes to use the argument, that she does it for mankind. However in reality she only does it for her own curiosity
That interaction between Sombra and Moira. Moira knows how to push Sombra's buttons. She's a mastermind in manipulation and precision.
That moira and Genji interaction felt hard
The way she pronounces her words is just so immaculate
Moira voice actor is goated she sells it do well
"What a joy it must be to feel entitled to patience"
Shimada, where do I know that name from?
ah yes the family of thieves
@@mizzo2983 criminals . The family of criminals
Ah yes the family of criminals
I understand Moira’s desire for progress no matter what to an extent. How many lives could be saved and how many diseases cured, limbs regrown, and painful conditions reversed if we didn’t worry about harming test subjects? It’s not moral of course, but to her the ends may justify the means.
This is why Moira is my favorite charecter she’s a very complex and amazing charecter no matter what you gotta hand it to blizzard they know how to make characters I believe she’s not a villian but more a neutral anti hero she dosent want world domination like doom fist the only reason she’s with talon is because they fund and help her with her scientific endeavors she only wants science to move forward and to help others she’s even willing to harm her self in the process look at her overwatch 2 skin lifeweaver is right she is practically killing herself for that experiment and it’s amazing to see her shock that instead of someone only careing about what her experiments offer like doomfist or the ethical debates like mercy lifeweaver is actually worried about the damage it’s doing to her mercy is a sad charecter she was basically shunned by the science world because they thought her experiments were unethical and sure while that could be a proper point sometimes the results and the good it can do does out of it outweighs the efforts it took to make it I love Moria and I hope they keep adding to her lore I would love to to see her maybe defect from talon maybing feeling bad about sigma (which btw I love that sombra is his bf and protector) and maybe she kinda goes out on her own even maybe helping overwatch
I like that genji said other creations hinting to the new tank maybe as hes a mutant possibly
Moira + Lifeweaver interaction is simple but adds so much character to Moira. She actually has to take a second to compose herself to respond
As unethical as Moira is, she is a genius
Moira is not only my favorite character because she’s fun to play, but her story is so damn good.
I would love to see how genji would look like if moira save him
I love how Sombra is a big sister to Sigma in most of her interactions involving him or talking about him.
you missed her most depressing interaction. when she asks to work with mei and mei declines and moira says something like "i've heard you prefer to work alone" hinting at all of mei's colleagues who died. it was so cold even for moira.
Exactly, and Mei, honestly wasn't even rude about it, she literally just politely declined her offer ToT
Moira: I've read your report on cryogenically preserving severed appendages. I'd be happy to assist in your research.
Mei: No thank you. I don't think our methodologies are very aligned.
Moira:
Of course. I've heard you prefer working alone.
That Winston line cracked me up.
I want more Moira and Winston interactions!
It was kinda funny to see Moria actually engage with Winston’s joke
“Naaah” -Moira 😢
NA, salt. She actually joked with him.
There's an interesting connection between Moira and Reaper's powers. Both of their attacks have a form of lifesteal, and both of them have abilities that makes them ethereal.
In Overwatch 1, there was a common theory that Mercy held some responsibility for Reaper's condition but that Moira turned the condition into a weapon. If that's true, she may have also proliferated those abilities to herself, which would explain why she, too, is withering now.
i feel like Lifeweaver is the only one that show her some sort of kindness
Her personality is the main reason i ended up having her as my main.
If i want to rank higher i need to learn others too but she's always gonna be my fave
0:44 I don't like that Mercy voiceline because as Moira says, must be nice feeling entitled to patience. Like yeah, her experiments are a grey area at best but that's how progress is made for good or bad.
I respect Moira she knows that she dont have time left and using this time to make humans less miserable, i know its future where almost everything can be cured but still humans are too weak and she wants them to be more happier
i like how she actually humored winstons periodic table joke
I may not favor what she's done in the lore- but i do like her a substantially more after that little interaction
The interaction when she asks Sigma about the fairy conversations always makes me sad. Poor guy.
For anyone wondering Moira is essentially a portrayal of Jeckyl and Hyde; someone who meant well but became corrupted by their own works. She is evil but more so in a way that she’s less empathetic. She doesn’t care, all she wants is to complete her experiments. Moira has the potential to be a good person but she’s let herself be consumed by her work for far too long. That’s why Angela brings up their “ethical obligations” because at the end of the day, Moira is still a doctor. One who prefers to prioritize her own madness over the safety of her patients or rather test subjects.
The saddest is the one with Sombra, wich she aske her to stop messing with Sigma's brain, you see how much Sombra genuinally cares for him
I throughly enjoy Moira as a character. They don't say as much, but I suspect she has some kind of genetic disorder or a terminal disease and that's what's driving her to make strides in medicine... regardless of what happens so long as she can make that progress to get to the results *she* needs to survive
She's actually killing herself by using the same kind of attack she uses in game of her body.
Talon are such nuanced villains. In fact, pretty much everyone has a lot of nuance outside of Winston's crew and Reaper.
Moira is probably the most interesting character in Overwatch. Morally complex, very intelligent, and singularly focused on furthering scientific progress through any means necessary, including sacrificing others, and herself.
Only really "depressing" line out of all of this is Lifeweaver's one.
She seems in control in all other interactions and has some wit to parry jabs at herself, but not here. She slips a bit, it almost looks defensive.
Doesn't help at all, that Niran is basically only one who is expressing concern towards her and not distaste, disgust or simple formal etiquette.
Genevieve's delivery is so absurdly good.
Moira isnt really evil in a way, just if science didnt have laws, we could rapidly save more lives than lose, this is coming from someone studying medicine
Such a well written character...her and sigma are my favorite.
I love her witty interactions but I still do wonder to this day why is she going to such extremes because you can see she is not that evil but like she is tied to a deadline...is she trying to revive a loved one from a decay of some sort or what, I honestly doubt it's her own desire for knowledge that would push her to do those extreme things.
Even her answer to Mercy "What a joy it must be to feel entitled to patience" feels like she is in a hurry to discover something...
It makes me wonder what her motivation is for conducting these human experiments in the first place.
Perhaps there is someone we don’t know about yet whom she is trying to save that is also on a “deadline”.
Just doing it for the scientific advancement seems like a lame excuse.
wtf none of these interactions are depressing, just over the edge XD
The last one is the best and the more sad.
"saddest..."
Sure, man
Mercy and Moira are two sides of tf2 Medic