I'm floating around You Tube and found the info I needed HERE to Zero in on a new MTB Trail Bike. I ended up with a StumpJumper Carbon basic build @4G's. These reviews solidified the deal as I was able to buy locally after considering mail order.Just don't want to wait 2 to 3 weeks! I rode yesterday already .........!
These days I'd rather be underbiked for the 10% of the time I'm on extreme terrain, than be overbiked for the 90% of the time I am on regular trails. Sign me up for efficient, shorter travel trail bikes!
I used to over bike to get the performance the new bikes get with big wheels and less but better travel . I’m on a 160mm 26” Kona Abracadabra 2013 model. 29” wheels and 130mm travel is more capable these days .
"Those are all the details on the new stumpy so let's jump on over and see how it rides," *pauses for effect* ....Great video guys, can't wait to see the roundtable discussion and how the bikes compare
I've recently bought a comp. It's my first 29er and I must say it's a great bike. I came from a Cannondale Prophet which is also a great piece of kit. The one negative of the Specialized compared to the Cannondale is the weight climbing, it's slow and that's with lighter wheels. I've also extended the fork travel and put the largest volume reducer into the shock for more support which is brilliant, feel like I'm getting more travel. Overall a decent bike.
I have the carbon comp with a set of Elitewheels pro 36 wheels. Ground control and Fast trak tyres and it comes to 13.1 Kg including pedals. The heaviest part is definitly the Rhythm 34 grip fork. What does yourbike weight?
I've demoed a few different model years of the Stumpjumper, and it's always felt like am incredible bike! I can just forget it's under me, like I'm flying.
The sizing is a BIG DEAL. a BIG deal. I'm stumped why everyone is buying bikes that are too large for them. At 6ft I buy med frame size. They want me to buy large, but they simply are NOT playful enough. But now, under Specialized, I can buy a mid-med frame size. three HUGE thumbs up!!
Is an s-works build really relevant? I'd like to see a more representative build that reflects consumer interest. Reviewing the top spec model feels like it's more about promoting the brand than looking at what most customers will buy. I like PB because I've always felt that PB is more about riders than manufacturers. Testing top spec bikes feels like an affront to that.
@@dundundata7603 I get what your saying, but let me put it to you this way, to what extent would a BMW M3 review be relevant to a 320d? Sure, the touch points, HVAC, boot space etc will be the same, but how comparable is the driving experience? If you have ever changed your bike's wheels, or even just the tyres, or gone from tubed to tubeless, you'll know how big a difference there is in the riding experience. So, comparing two bikes with the same architecture, but different suspension, cockpit, grips, saddle, tyres, wheels; it then becomes extremely difficult to see what is actually relevant. But then again, that is why manufacturers want magazines to test the top of the range, because we as consumers will erroneously assume that what makes the top of the range great will also be applicable to lower models in the range. My original comment about the s-works and its relevance are as simple as me thinking; that's outside my budget, I don't know to what extent this review represents the model that is within my budget, therefore I can't use this review to compare a lower tier model with a competitor.
Would love a review of this quality with a model stumpy that has a more realistic price range. The alloy at 2200 is not cheap but at least it's a possibility.
Thank you for the great review. The S-Works is lighter and handles different than the heavier bikes. Most intermediate riders won't feel the difference. Save the cash and buy the lightest model you can afford. I have had 2 and 3rd on order. Great bikes and they are awesome on singletrack in NC.
It's very well said. I own the carbon comp model and it's extremely capable. It's an awesome descending bike that climb super fast all what I want and need. Well done Specialized!!
Can I ask what you weigh and if you added any volume spacers? I'm 210 and the fact this little guy is 150lbs (which seems to be who these bikes are typically built for) I'm a little concerned about how the bike will perform for folks in the taller/heavier weight categories.
@@konos3951 I am 75kg (whatever that is in pounds) I added 2 tokens in the fork and changed the yellow for a orange in the rear shock. Loved it! I reckon if you'd go for the carbon expert with the new fox 34 performance elite (with grip 2 damper) you would be disappointed, it's an awesome fork. I have the same in 36 on another bike and it's the best fork I ever owned!
Specialized have me on the hook somehow. Since I´ve got the 2020 Stumpy Evo S3 I´m really convinced that, "No matter what bikes I´ll buy in the future, I will definitely never sell my Stumpy"... Damn I´ma fanboi now...
@@peterk7662 Hey Peter, It was a really good bike. Before I was riding a Enduro Evo Expert from Specialized and a S-Works Camper from 2021 (if I remember correctly). The S-Works stumpjumper is beyond any of that. It's stiff but very menouvable and easy to ride. It's difficult to put into words but I'll say, it's not "worth the money". I paid 115.000 Danish kroner which is around $17,000. It's a lot of money for a piece of carbon frame with some wheels and I would never argue that it's worth the money because it's not. If I had to recommend something high-end I'd say, go for the Pro version or perhaps the Experts version. Getting the S-Works is just not worth the extra cash unless you ride hard, you ride to win and every second counts. If I had to choose today (and I have ridden s-works for maany years). I would buy a cheaper version like a Canyon. I did however sell my bike and got a Pinarello Dogma F which I love to this date :)
Great review as normal. My question to you Mike is how do you compare the new Stumpy to the Orbea Occam you reviewed earlier this year? At the time you made the statement "It feels like a more efficient Stumpjumper". Would be interested in what you think know? By the way I was looking at both, waiting for the new Stumpy but went for the Occam M10 in the end. Great bike.
I like that we are both 5'10" and 155 lb, makes it easy to adapt your feedback. I'm pretty keen to try this bike, Bob rode it when he brought the demo fleet here and he freaking shredded it.
Has Speshy's game ever been so universally on-point? Every MTB they've released recently has been a complete slam-dunk not only on looks and performance but also on value relative to the competition. And it's not even just the MTBs, they are also killing it in the roadie world right now, too. I'd be really curious to hear how the alloy versions of the new Stumpy compare to the carbon ones. Does the retention of the Horst link change the narrative on how this bike rides?
@pinkbike I feel like this new Stumpy is aimed squarely at the Yeti SB130 territory with the same wheel size, rear travel and very well rounded performance. Would you compare the 2 and why don't we see videos comparing new field test bikes to ones which aren't new but are still relevant?
I really hope we see the price range for these test. I think this bike has really good builds for the money and I wish we could’ve seen them send something besides their top spec
... Is invisible. It had a big curve in it before the bike lands, that’s just the shape it is. I don’t know why it’s not the same shape as the drive side, but it’s not. You can see the curve in the shots when it’s just being ridden normally too.
Short effective seat tube length is all very well, but that huge kink below the upper linkage looks like there's barely any room for the dropper. Not much point in a low seat tube if you can't slam a longer dropper in there...
I’d say the ripmo v2 is a bit more of a goat with climbing. This is coming from someone who just ordered the 2021 sj evo. So they are pretty comparable with slight edge to the ibis on climbs.
@@carlosolivas7280 ehhh the ripmo is definitely gonna be a lot slower on climbs but probably comparable on the descents. The ripley is definitely gonna be up there on the climbs but is gonna fall back on the descents.
I live in Kelowna and I’m thinking about entering in the BC Bike race this year. Need some advice on the bike to use for the event. Would a light setup. From light XC bikes to trail bikes, what’s the sweet spot for travel and bike weight? Would the stumpy 130mm back and front be to much bike? Would an Epic Evo with a 130mm for be better? Can you give me a couple of examples of rider setups. Cheers
Me three. Pinkbike users will rarely be spending 10k USD on a trail bike. We want to hear about the most high volume sales models that's going to keep me hooked on every word instead of wondering if should look for another review.
Have to ask. How does it compare to the Ripley. The two bikes I am considering on buy this stumpjumper or the Ripley. Appreciate any thoughts on this. Thanks for the great review
I was just rewatching the Mojo video.. didn't it beat the Stumpy on climbing AND descending? The Ibis was something like 11:50 up and 4:51 down, faster than the Spesh. I haven't seen all the vids so maybe I'm missing something here. Anyway, this Stumpy looks good. Glad the horst link is gone..
The rear suspension is a non-starter for me u fortunately. I test rode one in Pisgah over the summer and the rear suspension just feels wooden and dead. I’m going with the Evo, but really wish the Evo was available in the 130-140mm travel range as the standard Stumpjumper.
What we really need to see is the Stumpy vs Optic test. 2020 mtb of the year vs 2021 mtb of the year. Would be really interesting to see, because Specialized basically copied Norco's geometry
everyone is copying everyone else's designs. How do you think Norco got off the ground? Real innovation is difficult, expensive, and often gets it's butt kicked. Norco is an innovator though. Apple products are better for having to compete against manuf who make Smartphones for smart people... and their competitors offer better products for having to compete against Apple: who offers smartphones for dumb people.
@@FourOneOneClan Once you are off the first owner you technically don’t have any warranty through any company, unless you get the papers from the seller as well.
In theory carbon fiber has a better fatigue limit than aluminum, so I would think it would be fine, haven't said that I would want to be the second owner
#Pinkbike Would you consider this an ideal Vermont bike. Techy climbing and tons of roots on the way down? Would you recommend this over, lets say, a SC 5010?
I'm in NH and have a couple rides on the Expert. I researched similar options for months (Spur, SB115, Process 134, Optic), and I thought the Stumpy fit the bill as a damn near perfect NE bike. Now I'm biased, but after a couple of rides on some decent tech I can't think of a better trail bike choice for NE.
Transition spur is a downcountry bike tho the stumpy is an aggressive trail bike. You can’t really put the head to head because they’re different bikes for different riding styles. Stumpy evo vs transition scout might be good tho
Field test time is the best time of the year, I love you guys.
Honestly
And we got TWO of them in 2020!
@@vomErsten yeah duuude!!
I love how Levy is always helping us expand our vocabulary - "nimbility"
I like that word too! ;)
Really intriguing bike. May have to save up for one of the models priced lower than a small hatchback.
I have a deposit on an Elite for next March. It's my first new bike in 15 years. Moving from a Stumpy, to the new Stumpy. Looking forward to it.
Seems like the Stumpy is back to it' roots as a do-it-all bike.
I'm floating around You Tube and found the info I needed HERE to Zero in on a new MTB Trail Bike.
I ended up with a StumpJumper Carbon basic build @4G's.
These reviews solidified the deal as I was able to buy locally after considering mail order.Just don't want to wait 2 to 3 weeks! I rode yesterday already .........!
you guys should do a review on the lower end models of the bikes too coz most of us are gonna buy those bikes.
That would be what I called an “epic gamer” move
Did you ever pick one of these up? I did and so far I’m liking it after I’ve gotten the suspension tuned up for my weight and riding style.
These days I'd rather be underbiked for the 10% of the time I'm on extreme terrain, than be overbiked for the 90% of the time I am on regular trails. Sign me up for efficient, shorter travel trail bikes!
I used to over bike to get the performance the new bikes get with big wheels and less but better travel . I’m on a 160mm 26” Kona Abracadabra 2013 model. 29” wheels and 130mm travel is more capable these days .
Thanks, you just decided my next bike
"Those are all the details on the new stumpy so let's jump on over and see how it rides," *pauses for effect* ....Great video guys, can't wait to see the roundtable discussion and how the bikes compare
I've recently bought a comp. It's my first 29er and I must say it's a great bike. I came from a Cannondale Prophet which is also a great piece of kit. The one negative of the Specialized compared to the Cannondale is the weight climbing, it's slow and that's with lighter wheels. I've also extended the fork travel and put the largest volume reducer into the shock for more support which is brilliant, feel like I'm getting more travel. Overall a decent bike.
I have the carbon comp with a set of Elitewheels pro 36 wheels. Ground control and Fast trak tyres and it comes to 13.1 Kg including pedals. The heaviest part is definitly the Rhythm 34 grip fork.
What does yourbike weight?
Wow great review guys! I have a ‘19 Stumpy and love it. But now I want to check this bad boy out.
Well done Mike. I agree, a zippy, snappy trail bike is a thing of beauty.
Love the fact you guys test bikes with same tires fair game 👍👍
I've demoed a few different model years of the Stumpjumper, and it's always felt like am incredible bike! I can just forget it's under me, like I'm flying.
Yup. There it is! There's the bike that I can only ride in my sweet sweet dreams.
The sizing of this is so good. More companies need to jump on this idea.
The sizing is a BIG DEAL. a BIG deal. I'm stumped why everyone is buying bikes that are too large for them. At 6ft I buy med frame size. They want me to buy large, but they simply are NOT playful enough. But now, under Specialized, I can buy a mid-med frame size. three HUGE thumbs up!!
Yes such a sick bike great review
Just picked up one of these bad boys...It's amazing.
very good and detailed review!!! especially with some rationality applied!
Love these vids- thank you
Is an s-works build really relevant? I'd like to see a more representative build that reflects consumer interest. Reviewing the top spec model feels like it's more about promoting the brand than looking at what most customers will buy. I like PB because I've always felt that PB is more about riders than manufacturers. Testing top spec bikes feels like an affront to that.
totally agree, wish they would review the comp models for a more real world example, that said the reviewer is very good.
it's the same bike just better parts/lighter. it shows what the bike can do at its best.
@@dundundata7603 I get what your saying, but let me put it to you this way, to what extent would a BMW M3 review be relevant to a 320d? Sure, the touch points, HVAC, boot space etc will be the same, but how comparable is the driving experience?
If you have ever changed your bike's wheels, or even just the tyres, or gone from tubed to tubeless, you'll know how big a difference there is in the riding experience. So, comparing two bikes with the same architecture, but different suspension, cockpit, grips, saddle, tyres, wheels; it then becomes extremely difficult to see what is actually relevant.
But then again, that is why manufacturers want magazines to test the top of the range, because we as consumers will erroneously assume that what makes the top of the range great will also be applicable to lower models in the range.
My original comment about the s-works and its relevance are as simple as me thinking; that's outside my budget, I don't know to what extent this review represents the model that is within my budget, therefore I can't use this review to compare a lower tier model with a competitor.
You’ll want the Pro in that case
U gotta test drive one within your budget anyway right?
This review just allows u to determine if ya wanna test drive it.
kind of surprised they didnt test the 5010
thank you bro for this honest review.
Would love a review of this quality with a model stumpy that has a more realistic price range. The alloy at 2200 is not cheap but at least it's a possibility.
The Alloy is what i was hoping this review would be when i clicked the link...Was disappointed :(
Me three. Pinkbike users will rarely be spending 10k USD on a trail bike.
That bike looks like a blast to ride, and I think that’s what most people want.
Thank you for the great review. The S-Works is lighter and handles different than the heavier bikes. Most intermediate riders won't feel the difference. Save the cash and buy the lightest model you can afford. I have had 2 and 3rd on order. Great bikes and they are awesome on singletrack in NC.
Totally digging this Stumpy 🔥🔥🔥🔥
It's very well said. I own the carbon comp model and it's extremely capable. It's an awesome descending bike that climb super fast all what I want and need. Well done Specialized!!
Can I ask what you weigh and if you added any volume spacers? I'm 210 and the fact this little guy is 150lbs (which seems to be who these bikes are typically built for) I'm a little concerned about how the bike will perform for folks in the taller/heavier weight categories.
@@konos3951 I am 75kg (whatever that is in pounds) I added 2 tokens in the fork and changed the yellow for a orange in the rear shock. Loved it! I reckon if you'd go for the carbon expert with the new fox 34 performance elite (with grip 2 damper) you would be disappointed, it's an awesome fork. I have the same in 36 on another bike and it's the best fork I ever owned!
Beats sounding really really fresh!
Specialized have me on the hook somehow. Since I´ve got the 2020 Stumpy Evo S3 I´m really convinced that, "No matter what bikes I´ll buy in the future, I will definitely never sell my Stumpy"...
Damn I´ma fanboi now...
Hi guyz ! great video here as always, did you think about testing a Canyon spectral ? they just release a 29" version of it.
Mine is already ordered and ready on Friday!
Do you still own and ride it? How's it been for you?
@@peterk7662 Hey Peter, It was a really good bike. Before I was riding a Enduro Evo Expert from Specialized and a S-Works Camper from 2021 (if I remember correctly). The S-Works stumpjumper is beyond any of that. It's stiff but very menouvable and easy to ride.
It's difficult to put into words but I'll say, it's not "worth the money". I paid 115.000 Danish kroner which is around $17,000. It's a lot of money for a piece of carbon frame with some wheels and I would never argue that it's worth the money because it's not. If I had to recommend something high-end I'd say, go for the Pro version or perhaps the Experts version. Getting the S-Works is just not worth the extra cash unless you ride hard, you ride to win and every second counts.
If I had to choose today (and I have ridden s-works for maany years). I would buy a cheaper version like a Canyon.
I did however sell my bike and got a Pinarello Dogma F which I love to this date :)
Great review as normal. My question to you Mike is how do you compare the new Stumpy to the Orbea Occam you reviewed earlier this year? At the time you made the statement "It feels like a more efficient Stumpjumper". Would be interested in what you think know? By the way I was looking at both, waiting for the new Stumpy but went for the Occam M10 in the end. Great bike.
Impressive results for the shorter travel bike. Would have been awesome to see an Esker Rowl in this group.
I was lucky to get one of these in that stunning black. Love It
Epic vid! Did you notice any flex in the frame at all?
Sounds similar to Trek's through shaft reaktiv. Nice bike looks like a blast to ride!
I think this is the winner 🏆
I like that we are both 5'10" and 155 lb, makes it easy to adapt your feedback. I'm pretty keen to try this bike, Bob rode it when he brought the demo fleet here and he freaking shredded it.
Has Speshy's game ever been so universally on-point? Every MTB they've released recently has been a complete slam-dunk not only on looks and performance but also on value relative to the competition. And it's not even just the MTBs, they are also killing it in the roadie world right now, too.
I'd be really curious to hear how the alloy versions of the new Stumpy compare to the carbon ones. Does the retention of the Horst link change the narrative on how this bike rides?
Agreed. I just bought an enduro, I have one ride on it, and it is an absolute game-changer.
@pinkbike I feel like this new Stumpy is aimed squarely at the Yeti SB130 territory with the same wheel size, rear travel and very well rounded performance. Would you compare the 2 and why don't we see videos comparing new field test bikes to ones which aren't new but are still relevant?
Just beautiful!
Great series again Mike. So besides the stouter suspension, do you see differences in the capabilities of the Stumpy and the Norco Optic?
I also want to know
I really hope we see the price range for these test. I think this bike has really good builds for the money and I wish we could’ve seen them send something besides their top spec
15:23 my god the flex on that chain stay :o
It's supposed to flex like that bc they got rid of the pivot (correct me if I'm wrong)
... Is invisible.
It had a big curve in it before the bike lands, that’s just the shape it is. I don’t know why it’s not the same shape as the drive side, but it’s not. You can see the curve in the shots when it’s just being ridden normally too.
Damn now I want one!
I want one of these!
Me: I'm going to sell my motorbike to pay for an S-WORKS
Specialized: LOL good luck
NUTS for $8000
Man i wish I’d had a motorbike to sell!
Such a cool bike! I wish I had one! 😅
It will be either a stumpy or new Pivot Shadowcat. I’m coming off 26”. Gotta see if I like 29” or 27.5”
Short effective seat tube length is all very well, but that huge kink below the upper linkage looks like there's barely any room for the dropper. Not much point in a low seat tube if you can't slam a longer dropper in there...
Love these vids
Can you guys try to do the new fuel ex 7?
Hello, great video.
How does it compare to the 5010 mullet?
Where do all these bikes go after testing anyway?
I wanna see the new slash!!!
this guy is like the linus tech tips of bikes
HI, how does it compared to an Ibis ripmo v2 or the ripley? Thanks
I’d say the ripmo v2 is a bit more of a goat with climbing. This is coming from someone who just ordered the 2021 sj evo. So they are pretty comparable with slight edge to the ibis on climbs.
@@carlosolivas7280 ehhh the ripmo is definitely gonna be a lot slower on climbs but probably comparable on the descents. The ripley is definitely gonna be up there on the climbs but is gonna fall back on the descents.
Can you guys review the alloy model , the cheapass one ? cheers
You should do the specialised stumpjumper EVO Expert vs Canyon Spectral 29 CF 8
MTB FOR LIFE Vital have just done that exact review
Thats a bergain that the canyon spectral 29 came a little late to add it in this field test
Canyon spectral is 27,5
@@josep.peruga not anymore
Is nimbility a word? Classic Levy
Which bike is more fun? The Stumpjumper or the Epic Evo?
The Stumpy S-Works sounds like my kind of bike.
I live in Kelowna and I’m thinking about entering in the BC Bike race this year. Need some advice on the bike to use for the event. Would a light setup. From light XC bikes to trail bikes, what’s the sweet spot for travel and bike weight? Would the stumpy 130mm back and front be to much bike? Would an Epic Evo with a 130mm for be better? Can you give me a couple of examples of rider setups. Cheers
What rear hub/hubs are being used? How many points of engagements on the rear hub?
for your becoming poor speedrun just buy any s works bike
Glad the swat hole is lighter than previously. My 2016 version is sooo heavy by comparison. 😐?
Would you take this or the Yeti SB140 fif you had to choose a "do it all" bike?
Did the stumpy feel under forked? Would it have been better with a 140mm 36?
Super! Thanks! Nice One!
It’s a good one
1:39 in slomo the rear suspension looks like rigid af.
you have Sierra Nevada bottle on the bike :-) Are you drinking pale ale when riding? :-) or maybe IPA?
I can’t decide whether to get a 2021 Stumpy or the 2021 Commencal Meta TR29. Any opinions about those two bikes?
will the alloy bike feel similar to the carbon bike?
How do you guys like the base model of Stump jumper at $2200?
It’s a fantastic bike
This is my dream bike
Just 10 grand lmfao
I wasn’t a specialized fan but.... now 😉
Can you replace that Fork 34 for a 36 150mm???
Me three. Pinkbike users will rarely be spending 10k USD on a trail bike. We want to hear about the most high volume sales models that's going to keep me hooked on every word instead of wondering if should look for another review.
You guys have 2000000000% better bikes than me
How does it compare to the new Epic EVO?
how long are the dropper posts
Have to ask. How does it compare to the Ripley. The two bikes I am considering on buy this stumpjumper or the Ripley. Appreciate any thoughts on this.
Thanks for the great review
I was just rewatching the Mojo video.. didn't it beat the Stumpy on climbing AND descending? The Ibis was something like 11:50 up and 4:51 down, faster than the Spesh. I haven't seen all the vids so maybe I'm missing something here. Anyway, this Stumpy looks good. Glad the horst link is gone..
The rear suspension is a non-starter for me u fortunately. I test rode one in Pisgah over the summer and the rear suspension just feels wooden and dead. I’m going with the Evo, but really wish the Evo was available in the 130-140mm travel range as the standard Stumpjumper.
34 with grip 2 will be interesting to try out. Or at least the 34 factory/ performance elite won't get anymore pinkbiker hate lmao
what size are the maxxis tires you put on the stumpy?
What we really need to see is the Stumpy vs Optic test. 2020 mtb of the year vs 2021 mtb of the year. Would be really interesting to see, because Specialized basically copied Norco's geometry
everyone is copying everyone else's designs. How do you think Norco got off the ground? Real innovation is difficult, expensive, and often gets it's butt kicked. Norco is an innovator though. Apple products are better for having to compete against manuf who make Smartphones for smart people... and their competitors offer better products for having to compete against Apple: who offers smartphones for dumb people.
What’s the name of the bike rack in your intro?
Levy on the edge in some of those slo-mos lol
Faded the black in on the seat tube but not the down tube ? Bit sketch 🤪
Levy and 9:40 is on the gas!!!!
Curious How durable that flex pivot is. Like what happens when it fails and I don’t think the frame has lifetime warranty either.
It does have a lifetime warranty
@@Tom-fn8xc for the first owner of the bike or all owners?
@@FourOneOneClan Once you are off the first owner you technically don’t have any warranty through any company, unless you get the papers from the seller as well.
In theory carbon fiber has a better fatigue limit than aluminum, so I would think it would be fine, haven't said that I would want to be the second owner
@@FourOneOneClan Lifetime for first, two years from retail purchase date for second-hand.
#Pinkbike Would you consider this an ideal Vermont bike. Techy climbing and tons of roots on the way down? Would you recommend this over, lets say, a SC 5010?
I'm in NH and have a couple rides on the Expert. I researched similar options for months (Spur, SB115, Process 134, Optic), and I thought the Stumpy fit the bill as a damn near perfect NE bike. Now I'm biased, but after a couple of rides on some decent tech I can't think of a better trail bike choice for NE.
It bugs me how the paint transition to black is feathered on the seat tube but not on the down tube.
Seems like this would go well in head to head with Transition Spur.
Transition spur is a downcountry bike tho the stumpy is an aggressive trail bike. You can’t really put the head to head because they’re different bikes for different riding styles. Stumpy evo vs transition scout might be good tho
Specialized sure seems to have thought of a lot things with regards to sizing.
These guys be riding tons of bikes wish to have the money to try at least one