I'm not a Specialized fan and this makes me less if one for the same reasons, especially the proprietary shock. That plus the lack of internal routing, not a deal breaker but definitely annoying. And idk if you can swap that water bottle cage for a Fidlock, but for me that's definitely a must have. Good time to grab the previous version on discount though!
Meh, prices are in line with Yeti, SC, Trek...the deal breaker is the no cable routing for mechanical shifting. Shock is not proprietary - the eye to eye is standard
Propreitary shock is like the diverge str, where you're basically with them and if anything this is a bike for the short term. Thank god I bought a frame from the previous year to build up.
@@SnowShackboy Yep, that or any number of solutions from ordinary hardware supplies, which cost pennies. I'm being a cynical old goat, imagining the creation of a mega money titanium/carbon fibre kit to do the same thing. And people who've been given a kit for nothing trying to influence sales... (I've been around this scene too long! 👴)
@@creepingjesus5106 yeah I mean if I was cheap I would just link 1-2 zipties around some segments of the frame and boom, you're done. That said, Im just gonna stick to external routing bikes for now though and not worry about it ha.
Alloy version in September/October will be cheaper and surely will have mechanical stuff all the way!! Note: some guys wanting mechanical stuff and others (like me) wanting electronic but don’t have €€ for it!!🙄
External, under the downtube to the chain stay is the cleanest easiest routing. On my hardtails I run my cables that way with some help from electrical and gorilla tape.
I have zero doubt that Specialized has looked at market trends and their own sales trends and decided to make the change toward what appeared to already be a near-future conclusion, in spite of who it irritated.
😴 Specialized is just continuing to make it easy not to buy their bikes haha. Proprietary parts, overpriced frame, electronic only routing... Im sure this bike will appeal to some people, but not me.
Bro how are you ever going to go have casual fun with your buddies without upgrading to the newest model with .000001 degree increased slack and wireless shifters smh
I bought a 23 Evo Pro in mixed wheel. I just put a Fox 38 170mm but with the E-Tuned for E-bikes. Im a heavy rider so I wanted this specific tune. It's freaking amazing! I'll have my re-tuned Fox X this Friday. Fox tuned it with a medium + and put a 1.0 spacer in it to make it more progressive. Im also running a WRP yoke, and a Cascade link. This modification to the rear is pretty sweet. Im really glad I got the EVO before they discontinued it. It's a do it all bike!
He says it's better than the Evo in the review. Tbh, as an Evo owner, the bump absorption is pretty bad. Great in flow but in chunky roots it gets hung up super fast.
15:05 It's just the way he talks bro. Read between the lines and listen to what he says in this short summary at the end, especially when he starts talking about descending... "Super impressive".
I live in Malaysia and Specialized bikes are known to be on the expensive side among MTBikers here. However they've been slashing prices on their Stumjumpers these past few months (sometimes up to 70% off). Now I know why they were clearing stock, a new one is coming.
"Innovate or die" yet these are the people who give you a dull and boring black frame when you need to warranty your frame. No matter if it was the 14.000 USD S-Works model. And trust me, I speak from experience owning 3 S-Work models. Never again will I buy Specialized.
Yup, warranteed a maroonish base carbon evo and they didn't have any so offered me a grey black s works frame. S works logo is Muted too, I guess they thought people would be embarrassed to be seen on one?
Wow what a way to drop the ball by Specialized! Who wants a "Trail Bike" with XC travel but a w/ a Seat Angle of 75 degrees? That's the Epic Evo... and now converging their other actual trail bikes into one seems like a bad idea. This is a short travel enduro bike 140/160( I know its 150 but most people will spec it with 160 fork), that will work well in a variety of trails but will not be a full blown race bike and neither will it be an actual all day epic 'trail bike'. And WTF about only electronic drivetrain routing? Specialized basically said FU to Shimano.... I bet Specialized updates this model within a year, nonsense decisions here. This bike will only make sort of sense if there is a NEW ENDURO coming out; that will most likely be a 160/170 bike that pedals really well and obviously descends fast.
respectfully I was thinking the exact opposite. The choices here make 100% sense as they want more distance between the rigs and since the new EPIC is so capable they don't need a downcountry stumpy(the 140 front 130 rear I own).. this is more burly than that 21', 22' model and closer to the Evo but slightly better. I wouldn't trade an Evo for it at this price but the ideal world is that you own an Epic and the new stumpy and you can go ride anything. I don't think too many people need more than this bike provides, but for that they will release a 170/180 downhill rig. Lastly e-shifting is amazing, fully sold on the t-type. never again(mechanical)
How many trail riders truly take advantage of a 160 fork? I put a 150 on my stevo and use up nearly all the travel. The Enduro is going nowhere, they didn't really need 2 different trail bikes in their lineup. The regular Stumpy was the bike in a weird spot
I own an evo. It’s a good performing all purpose weapon which I love. The asymmetric design made a difference on the trail. The new one… well, it looks boring. Sry I’m German and straight forward.
So the new Stumpjumper has a proprietary rear shock, requires an expensive battery powered SRAM drivetrain (no Shimano) and the base model starts at $5500. Yep, sounds like Specialized.
If you think about it all shocks are proprietary…😄 this one is no exception!! For what I’ve seen on Flow Mountain Bike channel seems to be better than the ones from the “proprietary” brand!! 😉
Electronic shifting is amazing. Only time I’ve hated it is when i haven’t charged my battery like an idiot. Now i carry a spare battery, and i haven’t had an issue
@@exothermal.sprocket You have a bad mechanic. You still have to adjust AXS on installation. Mechanical adjustments don't "wander" any more than electric beyond the initial stretch/compression of housing and cable that a competent mechanic can negate easily at installation. Only time you have to adjust is if you bend something. One can be replaced for $80 instead of $390. And that's just the GX version. And one is lighter, with fewer moving parts dangling in the path of rocks.
No mechanical drive is absolutely absurd. Even if I built a super high end bike I wouldn't use wireless. I just don't like having to remember to charge stuff.
It essentially seems like an Epic Evo Plus to me, with a Scott-inspired rear shock (re: proprietary) Looks like I'll be hanging on to my Stumpy Evo Comp a while longer...great bike that one.
@@streddaz i meant to say it looks like an Epic Evo, albeit a Pro Max version. Having said that, based on the reviews online, i think this Genie is the real deal. It most probably is Fox's answer to the Vivid ultimate...I can't wait to see consumer's reviews on it.
@@streddaz I don't see any reason why not but it'll probably take some time. If i remember correctly, Specialized has an exclusive on the Genie for 2 years so we'll just have to wait and see.
i am so sad that i did not order the old aluminium evo frame until it was on sale. (had other priorities in life that needed my money) :( hope they will make an alu option for us "poor folk " with the routing for the shifter.
Definite winner for the most boring looking bike for 2024. Looks like a re-release of the Camber from 10 years ago, with very similar rear shock linkage...only exciting component is the rear shock.
The slammed seat tells me everything I need to know about what I first perceived as a super slack actual seat tube angle. No thanks 😂. With a 36 inch inseam that's a deal breaker.
I love a lot about this bike and it might have been my choice of replacement this year. But the wireless only drivetrain could be an actual deal breaker. I'm sure the shifting is great, but i don't want "forgetting to charge my derailleur" to be a new way to break down on the trail. The extra cost of wireless also seems not worth the benefit.
The no cable routing for a mech shifter is moronic at best. I think the shock is fine, it's not far off from other fox products. If it breaks it's not like you can't run a diffrent option in a pinch and it can be opened up to other bikes(hopefully other brands) as a new route of suspension kinematics. But for the love of God the lack of cable routing is dumb
@@BabohNamja I have no doubt that the bike is capable, but not quite as capable as the outgoing EVO. It’s not going to be able to handle a Bikepark nearly as well as the outgoing one. I genuinely don’t see what advantages this new one offers… they took something near perfect and made it less somehow.
Sticking with my Tallboy 4. I had a 2019 Stumpjumper Expert Carbon which was nice but not very efficient out of the saddle pedaling. Is that flip chip in the back on the chainstay also another pivot like on my old 2019 Stumpjumper or is the whole rear triangle rigid?
@@dobsok84 The way a yoke style suspension cycles it puts uneven load on the shock from different directions. Imagine taking a toothpick and pushing on it at an angle vs straight on, angle snaps it a lot easier. The old gen stumpys that used the same yoke are known for snapping coil springs because of this. There’s a lot more to it but basically side load=bad
@@dobsok84 edit: @Tanner731 wrote the tldr to my comment :D The phenomenon is called buckling and in this case its the simplest form: euler buckling. Let's say you have a coin laying flat on its side. You can load the coin with as much force as the material the coin is made of can withstand before plastically deforming it. Now let's imagine you extend the coin so that you have a cylinder with the diameter of the coin and for example 2 meters length and let's call it "cylinder-coin". In a perfect world you should be able to load that cylinder-coin with the same force as the flat coin without plastically deforming it. In the real world however, you have to deal with imperfections: for example the force acting on the cylinder-coin might not be perfectly aligned with its center or the cylinder-coin itself might not be perfectly cylindrical or even on a material level there will be imperfections and inhomogeneities. Such imperfections induce a bending moment that tries to _bend_ the cylinder-coin or any part loaded in compression. At some point depending on the compression forces, the material properties and the geometry (length to width in a nutshell) the structure becomes unstable. literally and figuratively. -> if you keep everything the same and just increase the length, the bending moments will become higher and higher. Yokes do exactly this. In some cases yokes double that length! The fun thing is, that if you do the math the maximum force a column can withstand before buckling is inversly proportional to its length *squared*! So by doubling the effective length you're quadrupling the moments/forces! Now, lets look at a "yoked" mountainbike. here there are two main reasons why bending forces are created: - Tolerances: the shock is never perfectly aligned within the geometry; for carbon bikes these tolerances are lower but especially on aluminium bikes there are tolerances of up to a millimeter! - Flex: the whole bike is constantly flexing when ridden. (mechanical engineering: first semester, first class: "_everything_ is a spring"). So under load the tolerances are multiplied. The next "problem" (which is only a problem if you use these disgusting yokes) is how shock absorbers are designed. Take a regular old coil shock: it essentially works like a syringe: piston, pistonrod, damperbody. To make sure the shock can compress and extend there are bushings on the piston towards the damperbody and on the sealhead towards the piston rod. If the damper is fully extended the piston with its bushing might only be half an inch or even less away from the bushing in the sealhead and when it is fully compressed it's that amount plus the damper travel, obviously. This distance is called "support base" (i think, not a native speaker haha) All the bending moment created during riding has to be supported by this support base and is directly translated into a normal force pressing the bushings agains the sliding surfaces and in turn creating wear and friction. Now, because coil shock absorbers are not meant to be loaded with excessive bending moments they will fail. Stuff will break, if you ride the thing as intended! As far as I know the (old) Stumpjumper cannot be ridden with a coil shock and you have to stay with an air shock, because it is more durable with its additional thicker shaft and bushings for the air spring. Like every engineering project this is a trade off. Sure you can go the lazy way and essentially admit that you can't make another concept happen that rides equally well and just leave all the problems you cause by that decision to the customer and the shock absorber manufacturers. But I call that _bad engineering practice_. Cheers :) p.s.: if youre bored just google image search: "yoke coil shock failure"
The little arm that the Stumpjumper had to stiffen the frame is what made it a stumpy. I could always spot one miles away because of it. I'm sure gonna miss it.
As for no current Aluminum versions, a few guys are riding aluminum frames in the Specialized release video. So looks like there will be some options eventually.
No thanks. Boring looking for superbike prices. The only people who will buy this are converted brand loyal roadies. And the resale value will be 1/3 in 2 years. That price and no mechanical shift option rules this out. I live in Washington and have to replace cassettes every 9 months and derailleurs every 2 years. No way am I committing to $800 a year of drivetrain upkeep. This bike can politely F off
@@Stinkybeefer869 there are enough light trail bikes but "short" travel bikes with durable descent focused components are interesting and very rare. The big Forks wasin my opinion what the new Norco Sight laked
It's definitely the most appealing build in the lineup. Hopefully it's not a case of a spring being too linear for the kinematics they've built the bike around.
Great video! Competing with the Hightower? Its become too chunky. I like the previous version better. Light, nimble. If I want a mullet that can party, im going with a Bronson.
Not a lot more they can do with the GEO on these new bikes. It's not rocket science. They already have it all figured out imo. The new XC bike GEO is 2019 Trance trail bike GEO on these new XC bikes too
2 stumpjumpers? They have 10. Basic stump. Then stump comp. Then stump comp alloy. Then Then the evo. Then the evo elite. Then the evo elite alloy. Then the S works lol
As someone who rides a very high end bike with XT/XTR shifting, disappointed at no cable option. I've ridden the electronic stuff, it's good, but so is high quality cable. Plus the electronics are heavier. But I guess if you want light you're pigeon holes into more XC geometry.
@@FullSenderson Every uniquely new or innovated product at a start. Even the stuff that's in the market in high volumes and common use had a start. What do you think people said about those products when they were starting?
@@exothermal.sprocketyes but this won’t be made for any other bike than a specialized. Hence my issue with proprietary parts. And specialized will just abandon it when a new model comes out.
Wait a moment, why not to use HBO instead of this two stage air chamber? Leave it big to be more linear and handle bottomout with HBO. This two stage air chamber seems like gimmick to me.
I had the 2019 Stumpjumper (150/140mm), before they split it into two bikes, and this looks like the spiritual successor to that bike. I ordered one and I can't wait!
Update: I've been for a few rides on the Stumpy now and loving it so far. The AXS T-type is amazing I don't understand why people are so sour on it. The shifting is so much smoother than any other derailleur I have ever tried. The ONLY thing I don't like about the AXS so far is that the little charging cradle has a Micro-USB port instead of USB-C. C'mon SRAM, it's 2024. Why are you saving 5cents on a kit that costs a tonne of money? It's a slap in the face.
Huge L to discontinue the EVO, glad i have mine SJ evo 22 - it's amazing. this new one looks like an epic with a beefy fork. i love the colorway, but this new design and the reduced travel is just sad.
As someone who just wants a good trail bike without breaking the bank. The Giant Trance X1 is looking better and better. I am sure that the Specialized bike is great, it feels like it is going for more big hit bike park stuff than just a fun trail bike for my local trails, and second, the cost, some may consider a $4000 to $12000 bike is no big deal. But it is for me, I just do not have that kind of money to spend.
I picked up a rocky mtn element for $1500 from jenson online. Cheaper than I could even find used ones locally. Also just wanted something for local mild trails
I love my 2022 sj Evo. I dont plan on updating anytime soon. I think this SJ looks life a lot of fun. I'd rip it for sure. Only real downside for me is I long fork my SJ evo for bike parks and I'm not sure if the new SJ would be up for the hardest stuff i ride my Evo on.
No AL version of a stumpy? 240lb weight limit per the manual, starts at $5500. I thought this was their Toyota Tacoma answer to a FS trail bike. The new FS chisel states XC, no jumping, 280lb limit. I feel like they are choosing a more targeted market and not offering an entry level fs trail bike for the masses. Did I miss something? Looking for my first FS trail bike! My 27 year old sworks hardtail and my old fused spine no longer mix well..
Probably weight limit comes from the wheels. And for you I would recommend just to look at different brands like Orbea, Trek, Canyon, YT... Or just find now alloy stampjumper on sales and buy it immediately.
I love the Giant Trance, or Trance X for something a little more aggressive. They are smooth bikes, but of course the terrain that you’re riding is always a factor. I live in the Arizona Desert
The alloy version always comes a few months after the carbon model is released. I wouldn’t be surprised if that one has cable routing for a derailleur.
I'm glad the '25 model has had a good solid look at kinematics, geometry, and suspension action. Beats "bold new graphics" any day. Also like the fact that Specialized has decided that just adding another 10mm of suspension travel wasn't going to be the new sales model. They are refining travel to be more effective, even if the travel numbers get smaller. The important point is quality of travel rather than merely quantity.
Cool bike. But with how capable bikes have become now a 120 rear 120-130 front is all I need for trail riding. No way around climbing back to the top and why carry around excessive bike for like 5% of the trail features. That said if you've got the terrain, go for it. I'll keep my DH rig for downhilling and a lighter trail bike for trail riding.
Can just fit a Rockshox with a Megneg Aircan which has been around for 4/5 years. Does exactly the same thing as Genie and has volume spacers you can swap out to change the feel. 🤷♂🤷♂
S5 really looks like a small bike.... no cable routing is bs to me. Wireless shifting only is bs also cuz that just make the bike so much more expensive.
The same as old one, nothing new, no inovation, no technology, no design. Just higher price. The became like apple iphone🤣. Shock is copy of scott nude shock, but scott shock have travel adjustment, lockout, and ramp swich which ads spacer on the fly. This chock is too soft for pedaling. And if you want to make it more supportive you have to dissasamble it 🤦🏻♂️
It’s cool and also a bit gimmicky to see how bikes have evolved in my 20 plus years of mountain biking. I was doing trails ,jumps, and drops on my 800 dollar hard tail that I’m now doing on my because of up grades 4,500 dollar full suspension. As a consumer and an enthusiast of a couple decades the prices on these bike are out of control and they are starting to be uncontrollable for these companies to be charging. The, “ engineering on these bikes cost so much” excuse is becoming played out. When you come out with the same exact bike just one half degree slacker or half degree steeper seat tube and try to pass that off as it completely changes the game of mountain bikes is laughable. The bikes of today are super twitchy due to slack and raked out forks so to hold a line while climbing is next to impossible compared to what it used to be. These six to ten thousand dollar builds are going to grow old on people and will eventually be these businesses turning into corporations down fall. Corporate greed is what it is packaged with deceptive marketing. Someone with an early 2000 era bike can do the same thing as bikes of today.
“Do it all” bikes almost always inadvertently suck. They have to compromise somewhere. You end up with a capable but boring bike. It pedals trails fine enough but not super efficient. It handles burlier DH stuff okay but beats you up.
Thanks but no cable routing? Yikes! That's too bad cause i love buying the latest stumpys. Love those bikes. I've got every version since 2018. Gonna pass on this one though. Perhaps spesh should've tried that stunt on their ebikes first. Left us traditional analog riders outta the battery powered nonsense.❤
Only for electronic derailleur!?? So, this is not for me, because I already prefer the mechanical derailleur. Thank you Specialized, I have just eliminate your bike from my list of possible purchases.
Why build a do it all bike, way over priced so most people look elsewhere! Super Dumb Specialized. We just want a do it all bike for the best price!!! How hard is that?
I run my S2 2022 evo 29er for trail and 27.5 for bike park and that option is perfect. Def don’t want 27.5 full time. WTF were they thinking with this.
Hahah no thank you! Specialized has got so confusing. From the status thats extremly capable and very market friendly to this and the proprietary shock again as if the brain thing worked before😂
AT these prices, it just means people will hold onto what they have for longer - Mountain biking used to be an accesible sport for many, hence its growth over the past few years, now manufacturers are making it a sport of dentists. 9k Australian for this shit base spec is criminal.
There is no way that the actual seat angle has been changed much at all. I can tell just by looking at it. To call that a 77.3 degree seat angle is ridiculous. Stop lying to people with long legs, we can tell the difference immediately... I mean like immediately after we spend $5000 and compare it to a bike with an actually steep seat angle.
As a specialized fan, this one is a big no.
Proprietary shock, wireless shifting and insane prices are all deal breakers.
I'm not a Specialized fan and this makes me less if one for the same reasons, especially the proprietary shock. That plus the lack of internal routing, not a deal breaker but definitely annoying. And idk if you can swap that water bottle cage for a Fidlock, but for me that's definitely a must have.
Good time to grab the previous version on discount though!
The frame is literally the same cost as most other brands.
Meh, prices are in line with Yeti, SC, Trek...the deal breaker is the no cable routing for mechanical shifting. Shock is not proprietary - the eye to eye is standard
@@skibum1976For a GX AXS, sure. But the SC Hightower (carbon) starts at $4799.
Propreitary shock is like the diverge str, where you're basically with them and if anything this is a bike for the short term. Thank god I bought a frame from the previous year to build up.
No derailleur cable routing? Not a problem, Im gonna zip tie my XT shift cable on the frame 😆
😂
Guaranteed some boutique aftermarket parts company will offer a seriously expensive add-on kit.
@@creepingjesus5106 seems like some 3D printed cable guides with 3M sticky tape on the back would do the trick
@@SnowShackboy Yep, that or any number of solutions from ordinary hardware supplies, which cost pennies. I'm being a cynical old goat, imagining the creation of a mega money titanium/carbon fibre kit to do the same thing. And people who've been given a kit for nothing trying to influence sales... (I've been around this scene too long! 👴)
@@creepingjesus5106 yeah I mean if I was cheap I would just link 1-2 zipties around some segments of the frame and boom, you're done. That said, Im just gonna stick to external routing bikes for now though and not worry about it ha.
No cable routing available for a derailleur is so stupid.
Alloy version in September/October will be cheaper and surely will have mechanical stuff all the way!!
Note: some guys wanting mechanical stuff and others (like me) wanting electronic but don’t have €€ for it!!🙄
For a carbon frame makes things much better. Ofc if you want carbon with a cheaper mechanical derailleur you'll be pissed.
We cried about internal routing... Now we just want routing 😂😂 why bike companies?!?!
External, under the downtube to the chain stay is the cleanest easiest routing. On my hardtails I run my cables that way with some help from electrical and gorilla tape.
I have zero doubt that Specialized has looked at market trends and their own sales trends and decided to make the change toward what appeared to already be a near-future conclusion, in spite of who it irritated.
😴 Specialized is just continuing to make it easy not to buy their bikes haha. Proprietary parts, overpriced frame, electronic only routing... Im sure this bike will appeal to some people, but not me.
Looks like my 2016 stump jumper. I’ve saved lots of $$$ not believing the hype through the years
Bro how are you ever going to go have casual fun with your buddies without upgrading to the newest model with .000001 degree increased slack and wireless shifters smh
GTFO specialized.... those prices are grotesque.
I’ve got a 2022 Evo Expert. Best bike I’ve had. Don’t think I’ll trade in for this from what I’ve seen.
Yeah no reason to. Bike upgrades are pretty iterative at this point in terms of geo and such
Evo elite here. I’ve got no fomo
@@RC-fp1tl 👍
I bought a 23 Evo Pro in mixed wheel. I just put a Fox 38 170mm but with the E-Tuned for E-bikes. Im a heavy rider so I wanted this specific tune. It's freaking amazing! I'll have my re-tuned Fox X this Friday. Fox tuned it with a medium + and put a 1.0 spacer in it to make it more progressive. Im also running a WRP yoke, and a Cascade link. This modification to the rear is pretty sweet.
Im really glad I got the EVO before they discontinued it. It's a do it all bike!
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When they git rid of the shifting cable why don’t go the full way and only use wireless droppers?
Probably because SRAM don’t make anywhere near the length of dropper that the other brands do. 170mm is the biggest they make.
You can tell his enthusiasm on the new update. Glad I got my evo ltd when I did
so excited lol
I mean, is he ever actually “enthusiastic”?
He says it's better than the Evo in the review. Tbh, as an Evo owner, the bump absorption is pretty bad. Great in flow but in chunky roots it gets hung up super fast.
I also have an evo LTD stoked on it
15:05 It's just the way he talks bro. Read between the lines and listen to what he says in this short summary at the end, especially when he starts talking about descending... "Super impressive".
Evo was the best trail bike. This new one is a piece of shit in comparison lol.
I’d never buy another stumpy now that evo is gone.
I live in Malaysia and Specialized bikes are known to be on the expensive side among MTBikers here. However they've been slashing prices on their Stumjumpers these past few months (sometimes up to 70% off).
Now I know why they were clearing stock, a new one is coming.
So now nobody will buy these, because everyone know that it can be 70% cheaper:))
WOW 70% haha , I only saw up to 40% only. are you sure bro ?
"Innovate or die" yet these are the people who give you a dull and boring black frame when you need to warranty your frame.
No matter if it was the 14.000 USD S-Works model. And trust me, I speak from experience owning 3 S-Work models. Never again will I buy Specialized.
Yup, warranteed a maroonish base carbon evo and they didn't have any so offered me a grey black s works frame. S works logo is Muted too, I guess they thought people would be embarrassed to be seen on one?
Excellent thorough first look, Dario. Nice work!
No mechanical shifting is fucking awful, absolutely no interest in this
Wow what a way to drop the ball by Specialized! Who wants a "Trail Bike" with XC travel but a w/ a Seat Angle of 75 degrees?
That's the Epic Evo... and now converging their other actual trail bikes into one seems like a bad idea. This is a short travel enduro bike 140/160( I know its 150 but most people will spec it with 160 fork), that will work well in a variety of trails but will not be a full blown race bike and neither will it be an actual all day epic 'trail bike'. And WTF about only electronic drivetrain routing? Specialized basically said FU to Shimano.... I bet Specialized updates this model within a year, nonsense decisions here.
This bike will only make sort of sense if there is a NEW ENDURO coming out; that will most likely be a 160/170 bike that pedals really well and obviously descends fast.
respectfully I was thinking the exact opposite. The choices here make 100% sense as they want more distance between the rigs and since the new EPIC is so capable they don't need a downcountry stumpy(the 140 front 130 rear I own).. this is more burly than that 21', 22' model and closer to the Evo but slightly better. I wouldn't trade an Evo for it at this price but the ideal world is that you own an Epic and the new stumpy and you can go ride anything.
I don't think too many people need more than this bike provides, but for that they will release a 170/180 downhill rig.
Lastly e-shifting is amazing, fully sold on the t-type. never again(mechanical)
How many trail riders truly take advantage of a 160 fork? I put a 150 on my stevo and use up nearly all the travel. The Enduro is going nowhere, they didn't really need 2 different trail bikes in their lineup. The regular Stumpy was the bike in a weird spot
Very disappointing, shock yoke, higher than it needs to be top tube and a bent seat tube that will dropper size. Price is nuts for what you get.
they come specced with 200mm droppers, how much more do you need?
I own an evo. It’s a good performing all purpose weapon which I love. The asymmetric design made a difference on the trail. The new one… well, it looks boring. Sry I’m German and straight forward.
So the new Stumpjumper has a proprietary rear shock, requires an expensive battery powered SRAM drivetrain (no Shimano) and the base model starts at $5500. Yep, sounds like Specialized.
Or any wireless one you want.
@@davidgrothen3943 cool I prefer Shimano SLX or XT. Oh, wait…
@@leeretaschen231 xt wireless is there for you. Clearly not a bike geared around cheap consumable compatibility.
If you think about it all shocks are proprietary…😄 this one is no exception!! For what I’ve seen on Flow Mountain Bike channel seems to be better than the ones from the “proprietary” brand!! 😉
@davidgrothen3943 shimano currently has no true wireless groupsets for either mtb, or road...
The trend of painfully boring paint schemes continues.
No mechanical option? Ok, I’m out!
Electronic shifting is amazing. Only time I’ve hated it is when i haven’t charged my battery like an idiot. Now i carry a spare battery, and i haven’t had an issue
Mechanical: you adjust every time it goes out of adjust
Electric: you never adjust
@@exothermal.sprocket You have a bad mechanic. You still have to adjust AXS on installation. Mechanical adjustments don't "wander" any more than electric beyond the initial stretch/compression of housing and cable that a competent mechanic can negate easily at installation. Only time you have to adjust is if you bend something. One can be replaced for $80 instead of $390. And that's just the GX version. And one is lighter, with fewer moving parts dangling in the path of rocks.
@@stevenboisvert1767 I was hoping the context of my two points was evident. I guess it wasn't.
@@exothermal.sprocketthe fog of rage was blocking my sarcasm receptors. Didn't want to leave any electric detest ambiguity.
wow this video sucks, way too drawn out and slow, so many pauses.
Yeah that’s just Dario, dude talks like a stroke victim
No mechanical drive is absolutely absurd. Even if I built a super high end bike I wouldn't use wireless. I just don't like having to remember to charge stuff.
4 human comments vs. 6 sex pest bots. UA-cam is turning into a cesspit
The bike is better looking, but im still never buying an fsr linked bike.
9k... lol PASS
that seat angle is so distracting Dario
It essentially seems like an Epic Evo Plus to me, with a Scott-inspired rear shock (re: proprietary)
Looks like I'll be hanging on to my Stumpy Evo Comp a while longer...great bike that one.
The Epic EVO is a long travel XC bike. The new Stumpy is definitely a trail bike and in the middle of that and Enduro.
@@streddaz i meant to say it looks like an Epic Evo, albeit a Pro Max version.
Having said that, based on the reviews online, i think this Genie is the real deal. It most probably is Fox's answer to the Vivid ultimate...I can't wait to see consumer's reviews on it.
@@KotakMeister I’ll be interested to see if that shock will be used outside of Specialized.
@@streddaz I don't see any reason why not but it'll probably take some time. If i remember correctly, Specialized has an exclusive on the Genie for 2 years so we'll just have to wait and see.
I always get interested when they update my Stumpy. At first glance I'm still keeping my 2019.
Same 👍🏼
Sticking with my 130mm sj
Same here s4 Expert in glossy white black for 3500 Euros.
What more do you want 😎
Does anybody even interest about words like slacker, stiffer, new epic suspension...
i am so sad that i did not order the old aluminium evo frame until it was on sale. (had other priorities in life that needed my money) :( hope they will make an alu option for us "poor folk " with the routing for the shifter.
Definite winner for the most boring looking bike for 2024. Looks like a re-release of the Camber from 10 years ago, with very similar rear shock linkage...only exciting component is the rear shock.
The slammed seat tells me everything I need to know about what I first perceived as a super slack actual seat tube angle. No thanks 😂. With a 36 inch inseam that's a deal breaker.
I love a lot about this bike and it might have been my choice of replacement this year. But the wireless only drivetrain could be an actual deal breaker. I'm sure the shifting is great, but i don't want "forgetting to charge my derailleur" to be a new way to break down on the trail. The extra cost of wireless also seems not worth the benefit.
The no cable routing for a mech shifter is moronic at best. I think the shock is fine, it's not far off from other fox products. If it breaks it's not like you can't run a diffrent option in a pinch and it can be opened up to other bikes(hopefully other brands) as a new route of suspension kinematics. But for the love of God the lack of cable routing is dumb
They haven’t even sold the old ones…
The Öhlins Built is the only one coming with mullet wheels stock - not sure if mentioned in the video.
smaller sizes are mullet too
Specialized have ruined the Stumpy!!! The EVO was as close to the perfect bike as any brand has ever gotten.
they did you a favor, the old evo still exists, now cheaper
@@MarioXcore1 only as long as stocks last though…
Put a 160 fork on it and there’s your EVO….old regular Stumpy though, RIP😢
While I prefer the looks of the outgoing evo I’m sure Charlie Murray will show how capable this bike is
@@BabohNamja I have no doubt that the bike is capable, but not quite as capable as the outgoing EVO. It’s not going to be able to handle a Bikepark nearly as well as the outgoing one. I genuinely don’t see what advantages this new one offers… they took something near perfect and made it less somehow.
Specialized have ruined the Stumpy!!! The EVO was as close to the perfect bike as any brand has ever gotten.
I’m sure the new Enduro will fill that gap
@@Wiroe the enduro already is way too much bike for most trails, so whilst I really like it it simply isn’t an alternative to the old stump evo.
Great Video! Apreciate the thorough explanations
Sticking with my Tallboy 4. I had a 2019 Stumpjumper Expert Carbon which was nice but not very efficient out of the saddle pedaling. Is that flip chip in the back on the chainstay also another pivot like on my old 2019 Stumpjumper or is the whole rear triangle rigid?
Yokes are bad engineering practice.
As an engineer it disgusts me so much.
@HannyDart can you explain this to us non engineers?
They create lots of side loading on the shock causing binding and reducing reliability
Especially when comparable in length to shock stroke
@@dobsok84 The way a yoke style suspension cycles it puts uneven load on the shock from different directions. Imagine taking a toothpick and pushing on it at an angle vs straight on, angle snaps it a lot easier. The old gen stumpys that used the same yoke are known for snapping coil springs because of this. There’s a lot more to it but basically side load=bad
@@dobsok84
edit: @Tanner731 wrote the tldr to my comment :D
The phenomenon is called buckling and in this case its the simplest form: euler buckling.
Let's say you have a coin laying flat on its side. You can load the coin with as much force as the material the coin is made of can withstand before plastically deforming it. Now let's imagine you extend the coin so that you have a cylinder with the diameter of the coin and for example 2 meters length and let's call it "cylinder-coin".
In a perfect world you should be able to load that cylinder-coin with the same force as the flat coin without plastically deforming it.
In the real world however, you have to deal with imperfections: for example the force acting on the cylinder-coin might not be perfectly aligned with its center or the cylinder-coin itself might not be perfectly cylindrical or even on a material level there will be imperfections and inhomogeneities.
Such imperfections induce a bending moment that tries to _bend_ the cylinder-coin or any part loaded in compression.
At some point depending on the compression forces, the material properties and the geometry (length to width in a nutshell) the structure becomes unstable. literally and figuratively.
-> if you keep everything the same and just increase the length, the bending moments will become higher and higher.
Yokes do exactly this. In some cases yokes double that length!
The fun thing is, that if you do the math the maximum force a column can withstand before buckling is inversly proportional to its length *squared*!
So by doubling the effective length you're quadrupling the moments/forces!
Now, lets look at a "yoked" mountainbike. here there are two main reasons why bending forces are created:
- Tolerances: the shock is never perfectly aligned within the geometry; for carbon bikes these tolerances are lower but especially on aluminium bikes there are tolerances of up to a millimeter!
- Flex: the whole bike is constantly flexing when ridden. (mechanical engineering: first semester, first class: "_everything_ is a spring"). So under load the tolerances are multiplied.
The next "problem" (which is only a problem if you use these disgusting yokes) is how shock absorbers are designed.
Take a regular old coil shock: it essentially works like a syringe: piston, pistonrod, damperbody. To make sure the shock can compress and extend there are bushings on the piston towards the damperbody and on the sealhead towards the piston rod.
If the damper is fully extended the piston with its bushing might only be half an inch or even less away from the bushing in the sealhead and when it is fully compressed it's that amount plus the damper travel, obviously.
This distance is called "support base" (i think, not a native speaker haha)
All the bending moment created during riding has to be supported by this support base and is directly translated into a normal force pressing the bushings agains the sliding surfaces and in turn creating wear and friction.
Now, because coil shock absorbers are not meant to be loaded with excessive bending moments they will fail. Stuff will break, if you ride the thing as intended!
As far as I know the (old) Stumpjumper cannot be ridden with a coil shock and you have to stay with an air shock, because it is more durable with its additional thicker shaft and bushings for the air spring.
Like every engineering project this is a trade off. Sure you can go the lazy way and essentially admit that you can't make another concept happen that rides equally well and just leave all the problems you cause by that decision to the customer and the shock absorber manufacturers. But I call that _bad engineering practice_.
Cheers :)
p.s.: if youre bored just google image search: "yoke coil shock failure"
The Fox Genie is a duplicate of RockShox Megneg.
The little arm that the Stumpjumper had to stiffen the frame is what made it a stumpy. I could always spot one miles away because of it. I'm sure gonna miss it.
Agree
My 2019 stumpjumper is a beast ! Will be keeping her for many years to come.
$5500 for the base model, doesn’t even have a motor😢
As for no current Aluminum versions, a few guys are riding aluminum frames in the Specialized release video. So looks like there will be some options eventually.
No thanks. Boring looking for superbike prices. The only people who will buy this are converted brand loyal roadies. And the resale value will be 1/3 in 2 years. That price and no mechanical shift option rules this out. I live in Washington and have to replace cassettes every 9 months and derailleurs every 2 years. No way am I committing to $800 a year of drivetrain upkeep. This bike can politely F off
Yeah when it's time to move on from my stevo I'm thinking Offering. But I could see all companies getting rid of mechanical shifter housings
I wanted to dislike it but a Trail Bike with a Ohlins fork with 38mm Stanchions and Coil shock, TRP DH-R EVO brakes Sounds very interesting.
Sounds heavy to me
@@Stinkybeefer869 there are enough light trail bikes but "short" travel bikes with durable descent focused components are interesting and very rare. The big Forks wasin my opinion what the new Norco Sight laked
It's definitely the most appealing build in the lineup. Hopefully it's not a case of a spring being too linear for the kinematics they've built the bike around.
Great video! Competing with the Hightower? Its become too chunky. I like the previous version better. Light, nimble. If I want a mullet that can party, im going with a Bronson.
Just go with the new epic 8. That thing is basically what the old stump jumper was. The new stumpy is basically replacing the stump jumper Evo.
well..this is a pretty dumb step by specialized..
Kona called - they want their 2016 process back
They did that geometry on the 2017 too
Looks similar to a 2010 Stumpy, too
Not a lot more they can do with the GEO on these new bikes. It's not rocket science. They already have it all figured out imo. The new XC bike GEO is 2019 Trance trail bike GEO on these new XC bikes too
LOL Specialized called, they want their Stumpjumper back.
Mx wheel for smaller size is a deal breaker.
2 stumpjumpers? They have 10. Basic stump. Then stump comp. Then stump comp alloy. Then Then the evo. Then the evo elite. Then the evo elite alloy. Then the S works lol
So this is the current EVO without a bigger shock
yuck. specialized doing what they do.
As someone who rides a very high end bike with XT/XTR shifting, disappointed at no cable option. I've ridden the electronic stuff, it's good, but so is high quality cable. Plus the electronics are heavier. But I guess if you want light you're pigeon holes into more XC geometry.
No more proprietary shocks please
Agreed!
I don't care if it's made out of celery. If it works a lot better than the other stuff, that's what I want.
@@exothermal.sprocket never again. Once they stop producing the shock and you need to replace it or you need some unique part you’re screwed.
@@FullSenderson Every uniquely new or innovated product at a start. Even the stuff that's in the market in high volumes and common use had a start. What do you think people said about those products when they were starting?
@@exothermal.sprocketyes but this won’t be made for any other bike than a specialized. Hence my issue with proprietary parts. And specialized will just abandon it when a new model comes out.
Bike industry sucks
Nice to see they finally came up with some mud flap sorta thing to keep the rear triangle from trying to eat rocks and destroying your frame.
that's on the old Evo as well.
I have a foxfolk dirtskirt one mine.
I made one for my Stumpjumper out of inner tube, works a treat, covers the pivot as well.
Wait a moment, why not to use HBO instead of this two stage air chamber? Leave it big to be more linear and handle bottomout with HBO. This two stage air chamber seems like gimmick to me.
That shock gonna blow up
Looks like the perfect all around trail bike. I love the functional look of the new frame!
I had the 2019 Stumpjumper (150/140mm), before they split it into two bikes, and this looks like the spiritual successor to that bike. I ordered one and I can't wait!
Update: I've been for a few rides on the Stumpy now and loving it so far. The AXS T-type is amazing I don't understand why people are so sour on it. The shifting is so much smoother than any other derailleur I have ever tried. The ONLY thing I don't like about the AXS so far is that the little charging cradle has a Micro-USB port instead of USB-C. C'mon SRAM, it's 2024. Why are you saving 5cents on a kit that costs a tonne of money? It's a slap in the face.
Happy with the Stumpy Expert s4 glossy white black for 3500 Euros 😎
why your seatpost is so high?
Huge L to discontinue the EVO, glad i have mine SJ evo 22 - it's amazing. this new one looks like an epic with a beefy fork. i love the colorway, but this new design and the reduced travel is just sad.
I’ll keep my EVO with mechanical shifting, more travel, and built up almost 2lbs lighter.
i cud by a lovely motocross bike for that price its ridiculous money
That Green sucks. Maybe if it was JMCs S-works red i might buy one.
As someone who just wants a good trail bike without breaking the bank. The Giant Trance X1 is looking better and better. I am sure that the Specialized bike is great, it feels like it is going for more big hit bike park stuff than just a fun trail bike for my local trails, and second, the cost, some may consider a $4000 to $12000 bike is no big deal. But it is for me, I just do not have that kind of money to spend.
I picked up a rocky mtn element for $1500 from jenson online. Cheaper than I could even find used ones locally. Also just wanted something for local mild trails
Man, this review is as awkward as the position of that seat.
I love my 2022 sj Evo. I dont plan on updating anytime soon. I think this SJ looks life a lot of fun. I'd rip it for sure. Only real downside for me is I long fork my SJ evo for bike parks and I'm not sure if the new SJ would be up for the hardest stuff i ride my Evo on.
I‘m happy that all these broke 2016er bikes owner don‘t influence the industry that much.
the omission of mechanical drivetrain option feels like the headphone jack delete on phones 😡
That seat angle looks whack!
No AL version of a stumpy? 240lb weight limit per the manual, starts at $5500. I thought this was their Toyota Tacoma answer to a FS trail bike. The new FS chisel states XC, no jumping, 280lb limit. I feel like they are choosing a more targeted market and not offering an entry level fs trail bike for the masses. Did I miss something? Looking for my first FS trail bike! My 27 year old sworks hardtail and my old fused spine no longer mix well..
Probably weight limit comes from the wheels.
And for you I would recommend just to look at different brands like Orbea, Trek, Canyon, YT...
Or just find now alloy stampjumper on sales and buy it immediately.
I love the Giant Trance, or Trance X for something a little more aggressive.
They are smooth bikes, but of course the terrain that you’re riding is always a factor. I live in the Arizona Desert
The alloy version always comes a few months after the carbon model is released. I wouldn’t be surprised if that one has cable routing for a derailleur.
The new mb guy style I am noticing is "just got thrown out of the military." A very capable presentation but I worry about the mustache.
Oh hahaha to much gimmicky BS!
your saddle setup is dumb.
No mechanical!? Fuck that.
No mechanical shifting is a deal breaker
I'm glad the '25 model has had a good solid look at kinematics, geometry, and suspension action. Beats "bold new graphics" any day. Also like the fact that Specialized has decided that just adding another 10mm of suspension travel wasn't going to be the new sales model. They are refining travel to be more effective, even if the travel numbers get smaller. The important point is quality of travel rather than merely quantity.
Cool bike. But with how capable bikes have become now a 120 rear 120-130 front is all I need for trail riding. No way around climbing back to the top and why carry around excessive bike for like 5% of the trail features. That said if you've got the terrain, go for it. I'll keep my DH rig for downhilling and a lighter trail bike for trail riding.
Exactly my thoughts. No such thing as a do-it-all bike. Bring the right bike for the right trail. Climbing with extra weight sucks.
€4500 for a frame set. Next
Not that I can afford one but that is one fugly bike, Enduro at least looks good
Red text for stats sucks.
Can just fit a Rockshox with a Megneg Aircan which has been around for 4/5 years. Does exactly the same thing as Genie and has volume spacers you can swap out to change the feel. 🤷♂🤷♂
Was looking forward to the new SJ, but I'm a little disappointed. I'm sure it's probably better, but I'm not motivated to change my 2022 Stumpjumper.
I Hate it 🤮
S5 really looks like a small bike.... no cable routing is bs to me. Wireless shifting only is bs also cuz that just make the bike so much more expensive.
The same as old one, nothing new, no inovation, no technology, no design. Just higher price. The became like apple iphone🤣. Shock is copy of scott nude shock, but scott shock have travel adjustment, lockout, and ramp swich which ads spacer on the fly. This chock is too soft for pedaling. And if you want to make it more supportive you have to dissasamble it 🤦🏻♂️
It’s cool and also a bit gimmicky to see how bikes have evolved in my 20 plus years of mountain biking. I was doing trails ,jumps, and drops on my 800 dollar hard tail that I’m now doing on my because of up grades 4,500 dollar full suspension. As a consumer and an enthusiast of a couple decades the prices on these bike are out of control and they are starting to be uncontrollable for these companies to be charging. The, “ engineering on these bikes cost so much” excuse is becoming played out. When you come out with the same exact bike just one half degree slacker or half degree steeper seat tube and try to pass that off as it completely changes the game of mountain bikes is laughable. The bikes of today are super twitchy due to slack and raked out forks so to hold a line while climbing is next to impossible compared to what it used to be. These six to ten thousand dollar builds are going to grow old on people and will eventually be these businesses turning into corporations down fall. Corporate greed is what it is packaged with deceptive marketing. Someone with an early 2000 era bike can do the same thing as bikes of today.
“Do it all” bikes almost always inadvertently suck. They have to compromise somewhere. You end up with a capable but boring bike. It pedals trails fine enough but not super efficient. It handles burlier DH stuff okay but beats you up.
Thanks but no cable routing? Yikes! That's too bad cause i love buying the latest stumpys. Love those bikes. I've got every version since 2018. Gonna pass on this one though. Perhaps spesh should've tried that stunt on their ebikes first. Left us traditional analog riders outta the battery powered nonsense.❤
Only for electronic derailleur!?? So, this is not for me, because I already prefer the mechanical derailleur.
Thank you Specialized, I have just eliminate your bike from my list of possible purchases.
Why build a do it all bike, way over priced so most people look elsewhere!
Super Dumb Specialized.
We just want a do it all bike for the best price!!! How hard is that?
I run my S2 2022 evo 29er for trail and 27.5 for bike park and that option is perfect. Def don’t want 27.5 full time. WTF were they thinking with this.
Hahah no thank you! Specialized has got so confusing. From the status thats extremly capable and very market friendly to this and the proprietary shock again as if the brain thing worked before😂
AT these prices, it just means people will hold onto what they have for longer - Mountain biking used to be an accesible sport for many, hence its growth over the past few years, now manufacturers are making it a sport of dentists. 9k Australian for this shit base spec is criminal.
There is no way that the actual seat angle has been changed much at all. I can tell just by looking at it. To call that a 77.3 degree seat angle is ridiculous. Stop lying to people with long legs, we can tell the difference immediately... I mean like immediately after we spend $5000 and compare it to a bike with an actually steep seat angle.