Awesome news from Shimano! Some other stuff to Discuss too
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Welcome to our latest video where we take a closer look at some of the newest and most exciting components and bikes in the cycling world. In this video, we focus on the Shimano Cues, SRAM Force AXS, Hope Pro 5 hubs, and the new Cannondale SuperSix.
First, we take a look at the Shimano Cues. These are Shimano's latest electronic and manual shifting system and have been designed to provide a smoother and more precise shifting experience in the lower tier products. The Cues system features a compact and lightweight design, allowing for greater flexibility when it comes to bike customization and opens up a ton of options for builders.
Next, we explore the SRAM Force AXS groupset, which is the latest addition to SRAM's wireless shifting family. The Force AXS groupset features 12-speed gearing, providing a wide range of gears for all terrain types. It also includes a wide range of customization options, such as personalized shift settings and brake lever positions. Would you choose this over a Shimano Ultegra Di2 Option ot even the 105 Di2 for that price?
Moving on to the Hope Pro 5 hubs, which are a popular choice among many mountain bikers. These hubs have been designed to provide maximum durability and reliability, with a CNC machined construction and stainless steel bearings. They also come in a range of colors, allowing riders to customize their bike to their personal preference.
Finally, we take a look at the new Cannondale SuperSix, which is the latest addition to Cannondale's road bike range. The supersix features an aerodynamic frame design, ensuring a fast and efficient ride. It also includes a range of advanced features, such as internal cable routing and integrated disc brakes, providing a clean and streamlined look. The LAB71 options are all a bit mental. Would you choose this over a LOOK Blade RS or LOOK Hues? Tough call.
Overall, these components and bike are some of the latest and most innovative additions to the cycling world. Whether you're a road cyclist or a mountain biker, these products offer advanced features and customization options to enhance your riding experience. Thanks for watching and don't forget to hit the like and subscribe button for more cycling content!
This description was mostly written by ChatGPT. Totally blowing my mind!
Looking forward to seeing the CAAD 14.
Thank god that there are alternatives to chain gear systems: the Rohloff Speedhub and the Pinion gear boxes. Perfect chainline in all gears, easy sequential shifting and symmetrical spoke angles.
Can't decide what's worst on the Lab71... the price tag or the paint job.
Oh. Nor can I. I think maybe the paintjob makes the price feel even more ext
The compatibility is awesome to see. Next up is the road shifter with mtb rear mech without having to bodge it. Less stuff in the bin is always a win!
I hope they do that and we can get some mullet gearing working.
For the LAB71 level and price, they really should be offering Trek Project One type custom paint choices.
Totally
For gravel bikes a bottom gear 15% lower than 1:1 would be ideal for bike packing. A top gear of 100” is plenty high enough. As drivetrain efficiency increases with larger sprockets, it would make sense to do delete 10 and 11 cogs on 11 and 12 speed cassettes.
Ummm. I like your point, but I’m not sure it will be a popular one. Depends on how much kit you’re hauling I guess.
@@Mapdec super low gearing is pretty popular in the US- at least on the west coast. Russ from path less pedaled has been talking about it for a while and is working on making a set of friction shifters to work with mtb derailleurs. Grant Petersen of rivendale sells wide low double cranks to get lower gearing. The OMTM routes out of Portland Oregon often require super low gearing as well- although they label their rides as “adventure” rather than “gravel”.
Yes, manufacturers haven't caught on yet to the fact that people want to ride climbs on Gravel/all-road bikes that are considered MTB rides by most people. And MTB drivetrains don't offer a top-end that would work well on fast roads.
If shimano does it right for road bikes I could only imagine how many classic frames can be saved from being lawn ornaments
For sure. It’s an interesting prospect
Will they offer a rim brake option in the road category?
The feel of the hoods really seem to help pick a favorite groupo. Thanks for the great content.🔨
" Brilliant...and it doesn't look shit! "
You just became Shimano's head of UK marketing mate.
Is it me, or does this guy come across as an industry shill?
Please elaborate
@jedi767 keep watching. For sure he is in the "industry " but frank, open and constructive.
@@jedi767 it’s just you.
@@philr696 Not nearly as bad as GCN for sure. Perhaps “fanboy” is more accurate. I’ll be sticking with Hambini and Peak Torque for more objective views.
Edit: On rewatch it’s more fair than it seemed first time through.
Agree 100% with the SuperSix review, particularly both paint job selection and cost... this kind of money should allow for customization, at the very minimum...
Hell yeah. I want actual custom paint for that cash
@@Mapdec EXACTLY!
Paul, Shimano has updated the bleed port screw used in the latest 12s 105 groupset. The old 11s one was a cheesy soft metal that would get its hexes rounded off during removal. The new material screw is part number Y0RM98020 and can be used in other 12 speed groupsets if needed, but NOT the 11 speed versions, as the head design is different.
I saw this. Got a dozen on order.
When out on my Look 595 the other day, bought in 2007 and still looks up to date. The finish is and graphics are still stunning. Also rides great despite only having rim brakes lol. As they say 'if you know, you know'.
And you will still be able to get frame parts
CUES is going to be a boon for Manufacturers, Shops, & Consumers. Game changer out of the blue
Nope, on the "cheap" SuperSix the groupset is NEW, but that's the old frame. For now the starting price is 6250 £.
The non Hi mod frame weights apparently 940 g. So that's the one you should compare the Look with.
And I don't know why Look is so expensive in the UK, here the frame is 2900 € (≈2600£)
I'm sad about Sora and Alivio getting killed, since those were the best quality highly compatible groupsets before, at an extremely good price point. And Alivio was offering almost the highest gear range of any groupset (Deore 3x being the only one with higher range due to 11-36 cassette vs. 11-34, both have 22-32-44 chainring combination). I'm all about high-range gearing since I'm often riding hours of fast flat roads and then brutally steep gravel climbs in the Alps. And with CUES you would either have to sacrifice a bit on the top or bottom-end of the range. It's *almost* ok, but not quite enough.
Interesting point. I usually get asked for lower gears and and 1x conversions. Very few are concerned about the speed of the top gear.
I’m loving the CUES one size 11sp chain for all speeds . I currently have to carry 4 different quick links to cover all my bikes . Wouldn’t it be nice to have one spare chain that would fit all your bikes ?😊
Hell yeah
Point to make regarding Cannondale.
The equivalent HiMod bike is less than outgoing model and a significantly better bike.
The Lab71 stuff is obviously for the racing team - the range isn’t more expensive - they’ve just dropped the mechanical shift models at the bottom end.
It’s the Group-sets that have increased in price.
Gen 3 frames where designed as electronic shifting only anyway…
I’m also slightly pleased that my gen 3 race replica might hold its value 😊
Having ridden Sora 9spd on my winter bike for years the 9/10/11spd compatibility is very interesring. Seems like a good way to upgrade without chucking everything out?
I think Shimano might be on the verge of a massive breakthrough
Shimano from what I read is going to one chain. That is brilliant. So much easier for everyone. Hopefully the road versions are the same. I was never into SRAM but to bring out a groupset with improvements /updates and not increase the price is a very smart move. Big roadblock for me to SRAM and twelve speed in general is chains. I wax my chain and use Connex so I don’t have to replace the links all the time. SRAM road stuff not being cross comparable with any other chains is a pain in the arse. Not cost effective for waxing. Until Connex release the 12 speed stuff I will stay clear of it.
Interesting point. Waxing is not a popular option in our climate. The links are really expensive for what they are.
@@Mapdec the chains come with the links already. They can be a bit more expensive however over the life of the chain and rewaxing every 300 odd Km having to replace Shimano or SRAM links comes out a lot more. The Connex link is i$34 AUD so one link over 10-15000km of chain life is a win.
As I build-up bikes by myself and (for road/allroad) nowadays fully integrated…SRAM Rival & Force AXS is the one. Enduro bikes SRAM X9. BUT if I could choose without budget OR don‘t have to build it on my own…probably Ultegra Di2 to prefer 😅
I’m a bit underwhelmed by the AXS update. There’s still no ability to control a head unit from the shifters. They’ve obviously tweaked the front shifting with the new FD cage design, but it really just looks a cosmetic overhaul.
On a different note, can I ask where you sourced your Look 765 from?
We sell them via special order for custom builds.
@@Mapdec might be giving you a ring later if I get approval from the management 🙂
One thing I'm keen to ask people buying super expensive 'mass produced' bikes, from say Trek, Specialized, Cannondale etc. is, why not go with custom frame, e.g. like from Bastion here in Australia? At the current prices, I think one of their steeds would come in pretty close to an S Works.. I do have a couple of buddies with new, hyper lovely roadies and do feel like asking them.
Umm. The big brands do often make superior bike frames. The smaller brands add some unique design elements though. I don’t like how the big brands pretend that lower models in the range share the same frame.
The cranksets are riveted. So you can’t replace the chainrings. More landfill 😬
Sram and mechanical, maybe sram has identified that Ltwoo and Sensah options are filling that gap?
I doubt they even register on their sales reports. They are a niche of a niche
@@Mapdec Agree on the sales report. But, as time / development progresses, it could be branding as well, compare with a fruity phone/computer brand which strategy I find leaves the entry tier to other players. Ie, mechanical is left for lower tier for SRAM as a brand. Well, well, I do miss SRAM mechanical. :)
GNU / Linux is free software and therefore the only operating system mentioned here which puts the user in total control of his computing. Proprietary software treat you like a slave or prisoner.
Oh, I was waiting for your comment on this. Excited!
just my random thoughts.
Isn't ironic that Cannondale who were singularity responsible for the introduction of the dreaded creaky press- fit bottom bracket , have recently decided to go back to the BSA standard.. I see a similar scenario with road disc brakes and proprietary seat posts..
Yep. Also surprised they went BSA and not T47. I think disc brakes are firmly here to stay. Seatposts are making a comeback in non aero designs
What makes me exited is the announced CUES hubs. I love bike building on the cheap by looking for deals. Often trying mismatched items. I'm in plans to learn wheel building, since wheels always throws off my budget and building my own might be great at making something reasonably priced and also not terrible to own.
They have always been a good choice. Not sure if ditching cup and cone makes them better or not.
Without knowing the pricing we can't say for sure if this is good for consumers. What if cues are priced at the mid to high range of the current Claris to Tiagra. Range ? A Claris consumer will have to pay Sora/Tiagra prices?
We can report on this on Sunday 😁
Like the mix and match ability, but prefer triple chainset with a wide range of gearing due to the hilly terrain of Cornwall and Devon where I mostly ride. Used an Altus rear mech over Winter on my commute bike, disposable choice as road salt meant it wouldn't last long. Replaced with a Microshift R9.
Triple! That must be a Cornwall thing Xerp. 😳
The main reason I'm not even considering SRAM Groupsets is simple DOT. Who in his right mind would use DOT hydraulic fluids in a bicycle in the 21st Century? It was the 'hot sh*t' in the 80 and 90's (though mostly because it allowed car manufacturers to comply with varying regulations around the globe). That stuff is poisonous and caustic enough to strip the paint from a frame with it. Nowadays, we got hydraulic oils that are plant based AND have a higher boiling point than DOT (or mineral oil). I could use those on my salad. Probably would taste absolutely horrible, but it wouldn't hurt me at all. Try that with DOT and have a nice day at the ER. To make matters worse DOT is hygroscopic and since brakes are an open system, we at least get the fun to replace it every year or two as a result of it (unless you live in a desert perhaps).There been and still are areas where DOT hydraulic fluids make sense (extremely high pressure applications that allow for only very small tolerances for example), bicycles aren't one of them.
Sure. I can’t say it really bothers us. It’s just something that just is what it is.
Is the 'entrypoint' 105 Di2 £4250 SuperSix even the new frameset? It looks to me like they've stuck the new groupset on the old frameset. The easiest place to spot the difference (to the SuperSix Evo 2 for example) seems to be the seat tube as its less aero-looking
You are right. My mistake.
@@Mapdec Its a bit cheeky really, Cannondale taking advantage of the 2023 frame's hype to sell the old frames. I would imagine many consumers are confused by this and accidentally ordering last year's one! There's also lots of 2019-2022 Supersix frames being sold as '2023' on various retail sites.
Have to say that I'm a bit sceptical about this 'CUES' kit. AFAIK and CMIIAW, you can already use an 11 speed chain and derailleur in 9 or 10 speed setups simply by using the appropriate shifter. And again, the cranksets are also cross compatible aren't they? So, if they simply came out with a range of shifters with different pull ratios but built to a common design, then they'd have everything sorted. Backward compatible too.... But maybe they just want to see folk buying a whole new group set, and or bike??? Also, if they're proposing different width cassettes onto the standard freehub then there's going to be issues to do with spacers.... "do I need this / where does it go / how many do I need / oops I've lost it"! And limit screws.... "turn which one, which way, oops it's come out or I've bust the head on this silly little screw".
We will find out tomorrow. Hand on with it.
Now hopefully Shimano will generate drivetrain parts for road and mountain that are compatible, larger cassettes for road, gravel etc..
its edging closer.
Campagnolo is still making mechanical and the current prices are not as expensive as they used to be personally I think Chorus is a excellent group set and not that much difference in price to Ultegra these days if you shop around I don’t know why everyone discounts them as a alternative to other groupsets.
Recently took a bike frame building class making a road frame for myself from Columbus Zona tubing (frame only). Built up with Ritchey Carbon fork and Campagnolo Record 12 groupset (mechanical). Complete bike weighed in at 8.5 kilos and is fantastic. The Campy mechanical shifting is flawless and pricing was cheaper than Ultegra di2.
It’s a good point. From my perspective it’s just because none of my customers ask about it, or care for it. Those that have it fitted generally find it frustrating and regret it. We often swap it out for something else. Personally I quite like working on it. It’s pretty durable etc. It is hard to recommend to someone because they will get caught in a comparability trap.
If you look at the Hi-Mid 2 at £8250.00 and then compare the specs/price on the EVO 1 and EVO 2, the Hi-Mod frame is a whopping £2000-2500.00 premium 😲😲😲
What!!
@@Mapdec Sorry, my bad! £1500.00-£2000.00. Still, a lot of money.
Look 795 Blade RS Disc frameset costs 1900-2400 Sterling in Switzerland... And the quality and design is weel above Cannondale. TIME frame 2023 mode made of Carbon, Vectran and Dyneema nd Campagnolo2600 Sterlings... In regards to mechanical, stil prefer Shimano and Campagnolo Chorus, (with top quality disc brakes by Magura and super fast mechnical shifting.
Yep. I’m all over that blade RS
I'm in the 'what do I pick, Force or Ultegra' boat.
I like SRAM's completely wireless solution, but I don't like the DUB BB axle and I think Ultegra looks more premium even compared to the new Force. The deal breaker for me (buying a complete Groupset) is Ultegra offer a 160mm crank otherwise I'd have to drop money on a Rotor.
Oh, new Force is disc only so that's out unless someone knows whether the Hydraulic shifters could be fitted to SRAMs old Hydro R hydraulic rim brakes (I think they are pretty cool, but obviously didn't catch on).
You have Hydro Rim Brakes!! I thought they were just unicorns and never actually got made in any numbers. Wow. I always wondered about those.
@@Mapdec No, I haven't but I really like the idea of them as a nice engineered solution. They are still available in some places, either Force or Red, but I think the head's gonna rule over the heart on this one....
SRAM said they weren't compatible with disc brake hydraulic AXS levers (they would, wouldn't they!), but the only 2 things that would stop them pairing together is cable diameter differences (I doubt that) or whether the master cylinder capacity/stroke is wildly different. The newer levers may not be able to generate enough stroke as the rim pads generally sit further from the rim than pads to the discs.....
Interesting idea though 😜
Is that one of those ever elusive Campagnolo Record 2006 double crankset on the shelf behind you there?
Dura Ace 7700 😁
@Mapdec Cycle Works I'd have bet good money on it being a Campy 2006😂😂😂
I was going to ask you were you selling it, more fool me.
Dealers and Distributors are still flooded with legacy inventory. I think it will be some time until it gets flushed out of legacy Shimano groups.
SRAM cranks. Can't change chainrings. Please explain why this is acceptable?
They are direct mount. Google the SRAM spare parts catalogue. All in there.
Surely, now that Shimano announced Cues, SRAM will follow suit. I also agree with just about everything you said in this video. I'm curious what your thoughts (as a mechanic) are on SRAM vs Shimano electronic shifting. Obviously SRAM is way easier to install, but what do you think about overall quality vs price?
Does Sram really have any interest in competing for mechanical groupsets? I think their focus is on the electronic market.
@@DanTuber I would guess that both Shimano and SRAM's drivetrain sales are absolutely dominated by sales of mechanical groupsets. Electronic is really expensive. It's much easier to spend $500 for a really great SRAM GX mechanical group than $1,000 for the AXS. Shimano's prices I think are even more egregious. If you look at the best selling bikes and components of the major cycling retailers online, it's mostly comprised of budget-friendly bikes and components.
It’s a good question. I think the SRAM front shift still has room to improve. Their rear shift and 1x is very superior.
I think they are seeing more profit in the electronic offer because all the parts are proprietary.
@@DanTuber Sram XX/xxsl Is coming soon, AXS only
Not liking the new force crankset due to throwing so much and costly replacements when a chainring or the power meter goes. Would go with the rest of the force parts then get another crankset adding power meter pedals in the money was there.. Was hoping for apex axs for the tight budget friendly crowd and cheaper parts for bikes like CX and gravel that destroy derailleurs and chain from gunk getting into parts and going down.
It’s a great point. Have you seen the cost of Shimano chainrings though. Wow.
Cues pull ratio is true 1:1? It seems that they are compatible with old sram 1:1(I hope so)
Oh. Interesting observation. That would be very handy
Hey. Did you enjoy riding the Look 765 ?
Oh hell yes. I have a ride report coming up
just gone from sram force axs back to shimano ultegra di2 12s on my road bike. Still running sram axs on my 1x gravel. Will go back to sram as soon as we drop the front mech on road bikes (13s?). Sram push technology (batteries, integration, quarq, wireless blips etc), but their execution is below that of Shimano for me. Too may dropped chains, sucks and damaged chainstays for me to warrant continued use of axs 2x!!
Yes. It is crazy that SRAM has never got their head round front mechs
Like the Shimano Akira! Love this digest format of yours too
Just chatting 😎
SuperSix EVO Carbon Disc 105 Di2 is old frame ! So far, Cannondale has not announced a new frame with Shimano 105 Di2 or Sram Rival AXS.
Noted. Thanks for noticing my mistake.
This is great for shops that generally deal with enthusiast bikes, but my shop spends most of our time working on commuter bikes and vintage bikes. We pretty regularly get bikes that have five or six speed drivetrains with downtube or stem friction shifters. Cue's doesn't make our life easier, it makes it harder because it adds more skus that we have to carry and be on the lookout for.
I'm also concerned that they're all using 11-speed chains, when chains are one of the most frequently replaced components on a bike. We sell 8-speed chains at our shop for $15, but our cheapest 11-speed chain is more than twice that. That sounds bad for consumers.
My boss said it best that the biggest winner here is Shimano, who gets to streamline their manufacturing significantly.
We will find out tomorrow when we get to see product and prices. I doubt it will take long for a cheap 11sp chain to come to market.
Regarding Sram and mechanical gears..... i use Gripshift due to having Cerebral Palsy.... and both SRAM Australia, DSD, and the PSI Wholesaler, have told me to shop online for Gripshift parts, the product that made the company, got told to buy a Non Series/GX shifter, to strip it for the grip... at 3 times the price of the spare part.
Grip shift is dying faster than rim brakes. I hope you find something that works.
@@Mapdecbuying in bulk is the only way to go. Paying us post costs hurts the most... UK has no stock... Already tried
Shimano Cues announcement is great news - need the road stuff asap - was starting to panic - everything before 105 Di2 seems to be on inventory clearance!!
Yes. I’m excited to see the road stuff. The lack of a well priced offer is slowing down buying decisions. Riders waiting to see what happens with the old mechanical, of if there will be a new one, and gravel riders hanging out for a Shimano mullet offer.
Been a long time SRAM fan and user. I think it is unacceptable to have the power meter as a consumable item to be thrown away with worn chainrings. Utter madness. For my next bike I'll switch over to Ultra Di2 with Rotor cranks and Power2Max PM. These cranks and PM have been solid. I'll still be using Force mechanical on my gravel bike however.
I think I need to do a fresh vid on this subject. It’s not a clear cut thing
@@Mapdec Watch this video by GPLama at 3:38 ua-cam.com/video/d3ULrPrPOgQ/v-deo.html seems clear cut
What I mean is the actual cost implications over duration of ownership.
@@Mapdec I ride all through the winter so for me that would be new chainrings + PM every 18 - 24 months for road. On the gravel bike a lot less. For a summer bike that experiences zero bad weather then this is a good solution from an engineering point of view if ignoring cost.
I am so confused with new sram force. I like the new price point of the new PM crankset. I like the one derailleur option. Now what I don’t like:
Groupset looks like rival, I like rival but I like it for my all round bike.
Clearly red will look different, which means if you want to experience red without spending your annual savings there is no way of getting it. Previous, gen gave us that option. Sram will loose many customer with this move. Ultegra will take over where sram left. I predict the new sram axs will not be considered a premium product that sram force prev generation was.
You could be right. It’s a cloudy decision for sure.
Shimano 105 di2 in Germany cost 1100 euro. The same price as rival, almost.
Really! Wow. It like £500 more here
Same in France, Rival around 1200 €, 105 around 1300€.
I hope we get some 9 speed e bikes that have a clutch and a slightly bigger range of gears. As they all use a single chainring but have been using alivio and it's OK but some people once they get onto an e bike are riding harder terrain than they ever thought they might.
I think we will defo see this. This is a great use for Cues.
Time Alpe d'Huez is in a different league for looks, price, quality.
There are not a lot of bikes in that price range, but if those, yes Time seems more quality and less hype of the designer brands.
What troubles me most about this announcement is that they are getting rid off Tiagra. I was looking forward to possibly 11sp Tiagra for some mid-priced build, and now only option will be to go high end insanely priced and electronic only 105 or this budget non-compatible crap ? There is nothing between, that is ridiculous...
I think we need to wait and see. I’d imagine road CUES will be black, look a lot like current 105 mechanical and 10speed GRX. I think we will find out pretty soon. Not sure your point on non compatible, this is probabaly the most compatible I have ever seen Shimano
@@Mapdec If I understood correctly, all Cues parts will be compatible, no matter number of gears or road/mtb, but it's not compatible with any previous parts apart from freehubs. So you have to go all in, cant reuse any old shifters/derailleurs etc.
I would be ok with Cues as long as the hub is still HG and not microspline, and as long as it is not electronic shifting. I don't want to recharge my bike before using it, i don't want my bike to be susceptible to "low batt" issues, and i don't want to be locked-in on proprietary batteries that is easily susceptible to planned obsolescence.
Yep. HG and mechanical
Maybe I have terrible taste but I like that Lab71 paint job 😅
Everyone is different ☺️
Just can't bring myself to shitemono. Hoping Campy will come out with wireless system 🙏.
I think they will have to to stay relevant in that market now.
I think SRAM has dropped a massive bollock in switching to Xdr freehub I really wanted to buy the SRAM rival etap axs groupset but couldn’t get a replacement freehub and wasn’t prepared to buy a new wheel set so was forced into105 di2 and I feel a lot of people will be in the same situation, should have kept with the shimano fitting
Maybe. The freehubs are becoming easier and easier to swap for many brands now.
Waoo this video ist a really rollercoaster Paul, and until now the one that didn't give kudos to the new Cannondale SSE IV, however I will only comment the Sram part, definitely this groupset makes a mid tier decision more in the dark, cuz you got all the benefits from red and new rival, best than shimano options, BUTTTT one piece crankset , what that heck, now you cannot change the gears ratios or buy parts as replacement , so now you muss have to buy new whole crankset just for replacement or Upgrade the gear ratio, that ist a lot of b..., I hope that they can provide a option that include powermeter, which for me is the win win next to shimano, or in the worst scenario we would expecting the new era of the One Piece (not anime) where you have to invest more money to get things properly a minor modifications will also cost a lot of money, i guess that response why there ist not mechanical groupset anymor...thanks 👍
I’m not entirely sure on that point. It says direct mount and the parts exist in the catalogue. I need to do some snooping.
i`ve just seen som shots of sram`s new (xx axs?) 12s groupo and then.. to see the future shimano stuff is shoking. On the one hand you see this big muscle, oversize, straight line, offset pulley rear derailleur from sram and on the other a flimsy, steel plated, 2x 135 degree angled nightmare off a deraileur from japan I have no words..
But the good side of the story is that shimano keeps us mechanics busy, if they finally get something in stock
Oh. Where?
On yt: black water cyclist
I think with SRAM abandoning the mechanical everyday user range; people need to really remember something. Western markets are not indicative of global bike trends. Asia, alone, makes up over 60% of the global bike market. And there its mostly about utility/commuter bikes. Or what Shimano calls "lifestyle" bikes. And Shimano absolutely owns that range. I mean, Shimano owns Asia, in general. You will be lucky to find SRAM in even a Japanese bike shop. Everyone on UA-cam talking about Chinese parts pushing on the "big guys" is absolutely full of it. They are insignificant. Same with MicroSHIFT. And I'm a fan of MicroSHIFT. I have multiples of Advent X for my mountain bike, its great. But its also nothing in the market space. Shimano rules the world with Altus and Tourney. And its even more stark on the road side as they have something like 80% of the global road groupset sales. I think SRAM simply realizes they aren't going to overcome that inertia. Its been almost 40 years and they haven't. And, they don't need to. Within the cycling space (since Shimano also does all that fishing stuff), SRAM is the more diverse company.
Good insight. I think SRAM have stopped trying too.
In a saturated market, it surprises me that Cannondale have hiked prices. I guess they're gambling on brand loyalty.
I suspect they have little choice. Mercy of the factory and shipping companies.
So you reckon Shimano cheap Cues groupsets are ok for steel hardtails but not carbon bikes - some of us only ride steel hardtails so are we to be excluded from 'elite' groupsets only fit for 'elite' carbon frames ? 😂😏
Just one example of 1000s I can see for cues.
That Lab71 should not be shown to small children or sensitive souls.Price is scary as well!
Please don’t forget us oldies so a little bit “I speak Campagnolo” every now and then wouldn’t go amiss…………to satisfy the fetishists among us
When they release something interesting. I feel they have all been asleep at Campagnolo HQ.
Do you think rim brakes are gonna be like Phoenix from the ashes ?
That’s a hard no from me. It will rapidly die and kept alive by niche 3rd party brands.
@@Mapdec Do you see that as a good thing?
The new sram force looks exactly like I expected it to, they cut costs. Sure it's black and might suit more bikes but the finish is pathetic for what you pay for.
I need to see it up close. One could say the same about DuraAce
New Force vs Ultegra 12: Force all the way for the gear range and simplicity of installation
I really don't understand what people are on about with sram. I would chose shimano every day of the week. Objectively it just has better performance in every way. (Admittedly shimano in house powermeters are a shit show at the moment)
Shame. Their ratio and set up options solve lots of problems
@@Mapdec Okay you have a lot of ratios to choose, but performance wise there are objectively just not as efficient as the Shimano options. Worst case you combine a wide range cassette with one by on a road bike with short chain stays: small front ring, skew chain alignment, 9 or 10 tooth cog which on it’s on is massively less efficient than a 11 tooth and the inherently less efficient sram chains and you are leaving upwards of 10 watts on the table. I am sorry but with my very mediocre shape a can’t afford the loose that much “free” power in my drive train :D on top of that I think “throw away” powermeters with Sram are just a complete no-no nowadays from a sustainability stand point
@@MS-bw7yt interesting. 10w drivetrain loss between Ultegra and Force. I seriously doubt that.
@@Mapdec I mean the scientific data is out there with guys like Zero Friction Cycle and so on so do your research… 10 Watts is quite extreme but it is not unreasonable: Sram chain will cost you around 2-3 watts, cross chaining is a much bigger thing with Sram rations and can be 2-3 watts, 10 tooth alone is a couple of watts and 9 tooth is just a mechanical disaster. And smaller chain rings and cogs in general will be another 2-3 watts depending on the size. It is not that Sram technology is 10 Watts slower, but the concept of one by with smaller rings and cogs is
I think, with the current climate ( and a new factory) Shimano are trying to nail the bread and butter component market in readiness for the imminent onslaught of the Chinese manufacturers.
Their business strategy has always been second to none. Sram won't be able to compete, maybe they wont try.
I don’t think Shimano has even registered any impact on its business from the Chinese brands. This CUES range will dominate for decades because it will come factory fitted to almost everything.
Ltwoo hot on the heels
I very much doubt it.
Meh.. I was actually quite disappointed with it while watching Trace Velo and China Cycling videos. So much faffing to get it working properly, and then the lever snaps clean off with one small fall. Good to have some competition for the big three, but they are not quite there yet.
Lab71 just means they have their own special corner in the same Chinese factory where every other carbon bike frame is made. However, this corner is really special because someone swept the floor first! 😂 Please don’t fall for this stupidity people even if you have the money.
At £12k I would want better wheels than that.