Even though the 350 is tuning it’s too weak and the arrow is absorbing energy thru flexing. Therefore you’re getting more efficiency from the 300 spine and that’s why speed is funky. I’d say the reason youre able to tune at all is because the UV arrows are able to rebound quickly. I’d be curious to watch the two out of the bow with a high speed camera. (Ignore username, son wants to make UA-cam videos 😂)
Took the words right out of my mouth! The stiffer spine is going to travel better because it’s stronger and won’t be forced to travel in a flexed state
Came here to say that too. I was thinking the energy from the rs is much more because of the compact nature of it all. I didnt think about the spines until after and then saw your comment. I'm sure that's what's going on.
Ended up going with the 29.5". I'm a 29" draw so I'd be maxed out on the RS. Man I liked that RS though. I hunt whitetail in WI but want to do more 3D. Upgraded from the 20+ year old Q2 so I think I'm going to be happy either way.
Another great video Chris! Wondering about front/rear stabilizers. Can you do a video on how to set them up? Back bar especially. They are to help your pin settle correct and keep bubble on sight where it should be?
Watching in the stand in Oklahoma! Could you do a video on how you pick trees for saddles/lock ons and why? I always have trouble finding good trees. Keep up the good work brotha!
Maybe spine is that important for arrow efficiency?? Those results are very interesting. +20 grains with the same velocity is a huge kinetic energy jump.
Well crud. Made an order. Hope to win. Haven’t got my order and didn’t win. Hahah. That’s awesome congrats to the winner. I hope that Mathews picks me for a back up to the proving ground. I have faith. It will happen. Thanks for what you’re doing for the community. Keep up the great work friend. Good ole boy videos. Coming soon. ;) proving ground. General public land hunts coming soon. Poor broke boy with Mathews bows. Hahah. Yeah I’m in next year. I will have mine in early as well. ;) Good luck the rest of the season buddy. Dale.
Out of curiosity, what are you looking for when you draw? I always see you look up at the cam or something. You checking the cams or string on track. I know most just stare where they want to it from the beginning
I bet at 20 yards the 350’s are faster. I have some grizzly sticks that are faster at 20,30,40,50 than off the riser. Lots of energy lost in flex. Btw, thanks for taking the time to do all of these awesome videos Chris
Thank you for posting videos like this as well as you’re hunting videos are great you and seek one have a great hunting style and I’m getting into and I believe the rs is a sweet how and I’m for sure getting it after this!
I know it isn't exactly the same comparison as the 29.5 vs 33; but I really didn't notice a big difference carrying my lift 33 through the woods, pulling into the tree, etc. vs my old 31.5" ATA bow. The 33" ATA didn't seem to get in the way. I'm not a long draw length guy either...I just liked the feel of the longer riser. Also, why not take both the RS and the 29.5 to Texas? Always good to have a backup!
So was curious, will you do a video with a Mathews lift x 29.5 Wanna see the comparison between 70 and 80lbs limbs. 70lbs maxed out draw weight and speed compared to 80lb limbs backed off draw weight and speed. Or if you’ve already done a video like that with a different bow? Getting ready to buy the new lift x and wanna go 80lbs limbs possibly but be neat to see if and how big of a difference there is between the two limbs with draw weight, speed, or anything else. Thank you Chris, keep up the great content sir
Dang. I just watched this video. I ordered stuff during Black Friday. Was really hoping to win. Somehow my tailgate opened on my truck and my bow fell out. I can’t find it and now have to get a new bow 😢
I have the lift 33 with gas strings pulling 83lbs and I’m slinging a 500grain arrow 290 and that’s at the pro shop over the same garmin I don’t know why I have trouble trusting that thing
That’s because measuring equipment usually is very sensitive. A lot of error comes from having it setup / using it incorrectly. It’s not designed to be used in a closed room, because of the occurring reflections. I have the Garmin myself and the difference between indoors and outdoors is incredible. The most deviation I get outdoors is 0.5 FPS. Indoors it can be up to 5 FPS, when it’s a tight space.
Why doesnt the RS have a back bar side mount? Thats disappointing. I like my back bars to be as low as possible. But its not that big of a deal. As far as speeds, that rs is just faster, maybe because of the ata?
I like these videos, but they start way off topic from what is expected from the title and thumbnail, and they are about 10-15 minutes too long. There is no shortage of archery information on. But there is a shortage of exiting and entertaining archery content.
Makes no sense. Why would the shorter bow not shoot a lot faster? I figured the shorter ata would be over 10 fps faster but only a few more fps makes me think its not worth loosing the accuracy of a larger ata bow.
300fps is probably equivalent to how fast the limbs/string can move and return to their resting state. Probably want to keep adding weight to the arrow until you see the speed start to dip a little, so you're getting the most efficiency. You can also just quickly calculate out the energy the arrow has to work out what weight is giving you the most energy (e=1/2 mv^2) but you also need to remember that although speed has a higher effect on kinetic energy than mass, the more mass the projectile has, the better it will retain its energy over distance due to being less effected by drag. So whilst a screaming fast lightweight arrow might have more energy on release, a heavier arrow is far more able to retain that energy out at distance.
I wouldnt be surprised if your garmin can tell you the speed of the arrow at 50/60/70m etc which would be very interesting to see how different weight arrows perform out of the same bow
350 spine is to weak (flimsy) for 80lbs Chris. My apologies. Lemme rephrase. 350 is just losing a bit more energy than 300 or 250 cuz it's flexing a bunch more compared to the others. While flexing too much. It's losing energy an therefore losing speed. Depending on you're arrow length 300 spine seems better to me an a 250 spine at 80 lbs if you're arrows more than 30 inches. Stiffer shaft won't flex as much so it'll loses less energy an cruses slightly faster than the 350 because it's recovering faster. I Was stumped when i found this out about 20 years ago an i tinkerd an tested until I understood why the Stiffer an even heavier shaft was faster. Although once that 350 recovers an stops flexing a bit down range it picked up some speed down speed an was just a little faster than the heavier arrow. I did the speed testing at 1 yard. Then 10 yards, then 20 an then 30 shot through a chronograph..
@ nobody said you couldn’t do it saying it’s “best” for a 30 inch draw to be shooting a 29 inch bow is absurd or even recommending it. It’s like me looking at a 6 foot 265 pound man and recommending he wears a medium shirt. It’s stupidity. He’s never been at the top of the technical side of archery so I’m not surprised. Hes actually not all that knowledgeable about it. He has a platform that doesn’t mean he’s got knowledge.
@@jwild5360 yeah, not even a close comparison. The ATA isn’t the only concern. When in full draw the lift x cams where the string comes out are farther apart than most people think. Making the string angle very comfortable; yes, even at 30 inch draw. I can promise you this isn’t a bow from even 6 years ago where the ATA was the only thing people looked at for good shooting bows. This is my 4th bow and 4th bow company, first time with Mathews, and honestly it would take a lot from other companies to make me want to switch from Mathews going forward. I think you just don’t like Mathews.
@ lol you have no clue what your talking about. The string angle is horrible bc the limbs flex so much. The cam height has very little to do with string angle. Limbs tip flex and cam angle determines string angle. I have every string angle measure from every flagship over the last 10 years. You simply are incorrect.
@ I own 2 lift x 33s. I absolutely love Mathews. I’ve owned 100 plus bows. I was shooting with GRIV when Chris bee was waist high running around the shop in snellville.
“Michigan small buck shooters” hurt the soul🫠
Michigan is the worst state for hunting mature bucks in the Midwest.
Sadly he’s not wrong 😅
Even though the 350 is tuning it’s too weak and the arrow is absorbing energy thru flexing. Therefore you’re getting more efficiency from the 300 spine and that’s why speed is funky. I’d say the reason youre able to tune at all is because the UV arrows are able to rebound quickly. I’d be curious to watch the two out of the bow with a high speed camera. (Ignore username, son wants to make UA-cam videos 😂)
Took the words right out of my mouth! The stiffer spine is going to travel better because it’s stronger and won’t be forced to travel in a flexed state
Came here to say that too. I was thinking the energy from the rs is much more because of the compact nature of it all. I didnt think about the spines until after and then saw your comment. I'm sure that's what's going on.
I just wanna say that you are by far my favorite UA-camr and content creator!!
Agree
100%
Love these half year reviews
Mathews did a heck of a job with the new bows. Keep up the good work chris
Going to my local shop this Saturday to shoot the X 29.5. I shot the RS a couple times and really liked it. I keep going back and forth!
Ended up going with the 29.5". I'm a 29" draw so I'd be maxed out on the RS. Man I liked that RS though. I hunt whitetail in WI but want to do more 3D. Upgraded from the 20+ year old Q2 so I think I'm going to be happy either way.
My day is always better when Chris post
It always turns into a better day when you see Chris drop a new vid. Keep up the great work! Love ya!!!
I shot all 3 and ordered the 33 it just felt so good 👍
Another great video Chris! Wondering about front/rear stabilizers. Can you do a video on how to set them up? Back bar especially. They are to help your pin settle correct and keep bubble on sight where it should be?
I love your bow reviews I just got my dozen of uv 1k’s in today I can’t wait to start using them
Maybe because the the 350 spine arrow is flexing so much it takes speed\energy away?
Hearing about more spine is better than less from some places. Might be into something!
Watching in the stand in Oklahoma! Could you do a video on how you pick trees for saddles/lock ons and why? I always have trouble finding good trees. Keep up the good work brotha!
Maybe spine is that important for arrow efficiency?? Those results are very interesting. +20 grains with the same velocity is a huge kinetic energy jump.
Well crud. Made an order. Hope to win. Haven’t got my order and didn’t win. Hahah. That’s awesome congrats to the winner. I hope that Mathews picks me for a back up to the proving ground. I have faith. It will happen. Thanks for what you’re doing for the community. Keep up the great work friend. Good ole boy videos. Coming soon. ;) proving ground. General public land hunts coming soon. Poor broke boy with Mathews bows. Hahah. Yeah I’m in next year. I will have mine in early as well. ;)
Good luck the rest of the season buddy.
Dale.
Thanks for the reviews Chris. Always interesting.
Thanks for the 5 month review. Good luck in Texas!
traded my lift 29.5 to the lift X 29.5 I'm very excited!!
Chris, what length stabilizer did you end up using on the RS? Since the v bar has to be on the front.
Out of curiosity, what are you looking for when you draw? I always see you look up at the cam or something. You checking the cams or string on track. I know most just stare where they want to it from the beginning
Some guys stare up at the cam to look for torque and cam lean
Really wish you'd review one of those temu compounds they have out there it would definitely be a kick to see how they compare
I bet at 20 yards the 350’s are faster. I have some grizzly sticks that are faster at 20,30,40,50 than off the riser. Lots of energy lost in flex.
Btw, thanks for taking the time to do all of these awesome videos Chris
Thank you for posting videos like this as well as you’re hunting videos are great you and seek one have a great hunting style and I’m getting into and I believe the rs is a sweet how and I’m for sure getting it after this!
Love all your videos man! I became a much better bow shot and hunter once I started watching you a few years ago
I’m running phase 4 29.5 28inch draw 80lbs 426grain arrow Vap TKO 300 spine hitting 301 fps
I know it isn't exactly the same comparison as the 29.5 vs 33; but I really didn't notice a big difference carrying my lift 33 through the woods, pulling into the tree, etc. vs my old 31.5" ATA bow. The 33" ATA didn't seem to get in the way. I'm not a long draw length guy either...I just liked the feel of the longer riser.
Also, why not take both the RS and the 29.5 to Texas? Always good to have a backup!
So was curious, will you do a video with a Mathews lift x 29.5 Wanna see the comparison between 70 and 80lbs limbs. 70lbs maxed out draw weight and speed compared to 80lb limbs backed off draw weight and speed. Or if you’ve already done a video like that with a different bow? Getting ready to buy the new lift x and wanna go 80lbs limbs possibly but be neat to see if and how big of a difference there is between the two limbs with draw weight, speed, or anything else. Thank you Chris, keep up the great content sir
Does RS stand for really small
Congratulations sir
Love the videos Chris
You should review the Matthew’s monster safari bow !!!
I am 13 and I am trying to get a bow and I don’t have a lot of money to spend what should I get. I love your videos
LETS GOOOOO!!!! Thanks Chris!!
Hey Chris what are some tips you have for a beginner archer please
What is a good hunting sight
What peep sight are you running for hunting?
Do you have any good tips on budget single pin bow sights
Reset the garmin. I’ve heard other people say after so many shots the speeds seem off
my V3X shoots 545gr 299fps 535 304 but 485gr only 311, the cam is just more efficient at the higher weight
Chris do you have any creed bows? I know they're 2010 model bows but if anyone with your collection had it, it'd be you
Thoughts on elk hunting with the RS? 65-70# draw weight?
Ordered a 33, question on the new UV sight. I only shoot 3d and target, will they ever offer a single pin on this slider?
They actually already do
What is the Matthews like I have never shot one always shot a elite
Dang. I just watched this video. I ordered stuff during Black Friday. Was really hoping to win. Somehow my tailgate opened on my truck and my bow fell out. I can’t find it and now have to get a new bow 😢
What about all the Lift X’a with strings fraying??
Never heard that to be a problem
How would you rate the Mathew’s V3X on a scale of 1-10
is he a mathews dealer? what has the better draw cycle? phase 4 or lift x
Looks like you never installed the scs. I use it on mine and like it a lot
We need a Chris Bee X meat eater episode
Next year MATHEWS needs to make ADJUSTABLE DRAW LENGTH-LET OFF on their bows.
Love the videos keep it up
I have the lift 33 with gas strings pulling 83lbs and I’m slinging a 500grain arrow 290 and that’s at the pro shop over the same garmin I don’t know why I have trouble trusting that thing
That’s because measuring equipment usually is very sensitive. A lot of error comes from having it setup / using it incorrectly.
It’s not designed to be used in a closed room, because of the occurring reflections. I have the Garmin myself and the difference between indoors and outdoors is incredible. The most deviation I get outdoors is 0.5 FPS. Indoors it can be up to 5 FPS, when it’s a tight space.
Alright question. Do you think Mathews will ever offer a kit to put the limb tuning ability on a 2024 lift?
Nope
Not a chance. They want you to buy the newest bow.
Why doesnt the RS have a back bar side mount? Thats disappointing. I like my back bars to be as low as possible. But its not that big of a deal. As far as speeds, that rs is just faster, maybe because of the ata?
I like these videos, but they start way off topic from what is expected from the title and thumbnail, and they are about 10-15 minutes too long. There is no shortage of archery information on. But there is a shortage of exiting and entertaining archery content.
“Small buck shooters” 😂😂 ouch lol jk it’s true coming from a Michigan man😂
What bow vise is that?
October Mountain Products vise.
Maybe not entering it in the actual garmin grain weight like you had to when you set it up
your bows are probably tuned for the different spine
With the LiftX 29.5 being the same riser… can we order just limbs to add to our lift 29.5??? 😬
I was wondering the same thing
A bow shop nearby said if you give him two months he could put the same limbs that are on the lift x on the lift
@TrentonRogers-u2v Mathews isn't going to let it happen.
I love your videos
Makes no sense. Why would the shorter bow not shoot a lot faster? I figured the shorter ata would be over 10 fps faster but only a few more fps makes me think its not worth loosing the accuracy of a larger ata bow.
The Garmin is hit and miss
Lestsssssss gooooo
that is slow for that bow IBO of 343fps@29" (353fps estimate @30"). That bow should have been in the 315-plus range.
I love my VXR 31.5 but Matthew keeps on out doing it every year 😢
RS seems hard to beet!
Small buck shooters, man I hate this state!!
300fps is probably equivalent to how fast the limbs/string can move and return to their resting state. Probably want to keep adding weight to the arrow until you see the speed start to dip a little, so you're getting the most efficiency.
You can also just quickly calculate out the energy the arrow has to work out what weight is giving you the most energy (e=1/2 mv^2) but you also need to remember that although speed has a higher effect on kinetic energy than mass, the more mass the projectile has, the better it will retain its energy over distance due to being less effected by drag. So whilst a screaming fast lightweight arrow might have more energy on release, a heavier arrow is far more able to retain that energy out at distance.
I wouldnt be surprised if your garmin can tell you the speed of the arrow at 50/60/70m etc which would be very interesting to see how different weight arrows perform out of the same bow
No I missed it
You are my favorite UA-cam ever keep up the hard wood ❤❤❤
Congrats Boomer!
350 spine is to weak (flimsy) for 80lbs Chris. My apologies. Lemme rephrase. 350 is just losing a bit more energy than 300 or 250 cuz it's flexing a bunch more compared to the others.
While flexing too much. It's losing energy an therefore losing speed.
Depending on you're arrow length 300 spine seems better to me an a 250 spine at 80 lbs if you're arrows more than 30 inches.
Stiffer shaft won't flex as much so it'll loses less energy an cruses slightly faster than the 350 because it's recovering faster.
I Was stumped when i found this out about 20 years ago an i tinkerd an tested until I understood why the Stiffer an even heavier shaft was faster.
Although once that 350 recovers an stops flexing a bit down range it picked up some speed down speed an was just a little faster than the heavier arrow.
I did the speed testing at 1 yard. Then 10 yards, then 20 an then 30 shot through a chronograph..
Super early
Sounds like a bots name.
That small bow is screaming fast I have a 28 inch draw and have not been able to find a bow to get me over 286 at 70 pounds with my 400 grain arrows
@ bowtech ss34 it’s set on performance to
i have the lift x 29.5 @ 70Lbs and a 437 grain arrow averaging 288fps
At 57 and avid, 79lbs is not an option. How many archers are 55 plus. Entire archery industry is missing us.
You can get draw weights 40-80lbs. How is it missing you?
30 inch draw length recommend a 29 inch bow? Lol come on bro.
I have a 29.5-30 inch draw and I shoot the lift 29.5. Thing shoots absolutely lights out. Not sure what your sore about
@ nobody said you couldn’t do it saying it’s “best” for a 30 inch draw to be shooting a 29 inch bow is absurd or even recommending it.
It’s like me looking at a 6 foot 265 pound man and recommending he wears a medium shirt. It’s stupidity. He’s never been at the top of the technical side of archery so I’m not surprised. Hes actually not all that knowledgeable about it. He has a platform that doesn’t mean he’s got knowledge.
@@jwild5360 yeah, not even a close comparison. The ATA isn’t the only concern. When in full draw the lift x cams where the string comes out are farther apart than most people think. Making the string angle very comfortable; yes, even at 30 inch draw. I can promise you this isn’t a bow from even 6 years ago where the ATA was the only thing people looked at for good shooting bows. This is my 4th bow and 4th bow company, first time with Mathews, and honestly it would take a lot from other companies to make me want to switch from Mathews going forward. I think you just don’t like Mathews.
@ lol you have no clue what your talking about. The string angle is horrible bc the limbs flex so much. The cam height has very little to do with string angle. Limbs tip flex and cam angle determines string angle.
I have every string angle measure from every flagship over the last 10 years. You simply are incorrect.
@ I own 2 lift x 33s. I absolutely love Mathews.
I’ve owned 100 plus bows. I was shooting with GRIV when Chris bee was waist high running around the shop in snellville.
You get more power with a weaker arrow 🤔
Next year MATHEWS needs to make ADJUSTABLE DRAW LENGTH-LET OFF on their bows.
Next year MATHEWS needs to make ADJUSTABLE DRAW LENGTH - LET OFF on their bows.
Next year MATHEWS needs to make ADJUSTABLE DRAW LENGTH - LET OFF on their bows.
Next year MATHEWS needs to make ADJUSTABLE DRAW LENGTH - LET OFF on their bows.
Next year MATHEWS needs to make ADJUSTABLE DRAW LENGTH - LET OFF on their bows.
Next year MATHEWS needs to make ADJUSTABLE DRAW LENGTH - LET OFF on their bows.
Next year MATHEWS needs to make ADJUSTABLE DRAW LENGTH - LET OFF on their bows.
Next year MATHEWS needs to make ADJUSTABLE DRAW LENGTH-LET OFF on their bows.