Starship Lore : Colonial Raptor - NOT IN THE FACE
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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Let's return to some Battle Star Galactica Reimagined Lore with the Colonial Raptor. Let's see how well this does and if it's warranted having more continued.
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The raptor when you need an attack helicopter and Ewac plane.
like the russian Hind Helicopter
@@ottersirotten4290 that thing is pretty huge
I think Battlestar Galactica reboot is the BEST reboot for the last two Decades!
I loved the original, but the Reboot was even better :)
Looking at how they made the show, it's fair to say that both shows happened. Just at different times in galactic history... which is weird, but a nice touch by producers who have a obvious love of the original that they let that come out in their work.
@@davfree9732 Yep, this has all happened before and will happen again. There is also a line something like the people being the same but their roles change. The original Apollo plays Zarek in the reboot.
Yep. I'm 47 & loved the original BSG as kid. But the reboot is much better. At least until the plot turned to all the stupid "lords of Kobol" shit in the final season.
The Raptor always felt like something we could build today even. I'd say, even more, believable than the Quinjet from Marvel.
The raptor felt natural as back up to the vipers.
Hence as much as I loved the original, I do love the reboot.
The reboot felt more gritty and real
The Raptor is just a ship that makes sense. Not the best at anything, but good enough at many.
I like the Raptor. It's a good, farly practical multirole vessel. (And I have a soft spot for any kind of "workhorse" ship)
I agree there. :) There's what's a show-leader in a space battle, then there's what might actually be cool to have in your backyard. :)
The Raptors are like the Hueys of BSG. Big, beautiful beasts that deserve the love they receive. Also, the BSG remake is great.
Aren't Raptors quite small?
@@Meatisfood Not necessarily. They can hold a full marine squad with 2 pilots plus equipment and survival gear.
@@SmilingGator96 So can Toyota Hiace. 😉 I just wouldn't call Raptors big.
when you need a plot ship that does everything and comes packed with plot armor, and plot devices. the raptor is a must have.
I vote for more BSG content.
I simply adore the reboot. Raptors fulfilled a very much needed, if unglamorous, job. Their crews are arguably all the more deserving of recognition for that.
Always liked the Raptor. Light transport, ground support, EW and ECM capability - could do everything except transport bulk cargo.
Sundog A The colonials had dedicated transports for that. The one flaw with the Raptor is I wish it had some sort of standard gun armament for fighter/missiles defense. From what we see on screen, they are relatively agile so they might be able to survive in a dogfight.
@@dankuser8303 I think they might have decided not to for the same reason that the US Army Air Force in WWII didn't put light armaments on transport planes - besides being better used elsewhere, guns might have tempted pilots to try and fight when they should be running.
Every military needs a workhorse vehicle. The Colonial Fleet is no different.
The Colonials also had medical transport Raptors as well.
In BSG Deadlock, the colonial raptor we see in the RDM series was actually the assault raptor while the raptor we saw in Blood and Chrome was the standard colonial raptor, more larger with gunpod and turret canopy at the rear, for the first cylon war.
The BSG reboot was my first exposure to non-Star Trek sci fi. I absolutely loved the show.
Try Babylon 5
BSG reimagined is easily one of my favorite scifi universes.
The Raptor is a design that exemplifies the adage of Jack of all trades, but master of none, yet it can master one trade if outfitted for said trade. Give it Trek style shields and I think it could outdo a Delta Flyer in versatility.
Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar Galactica ...
Good show. Arguably the best (overall) SF space-opera/military drama we've had on TV. I think it still holds today. As for the ship designs, i don't have strong feelings either way.
work horses never get any love, but when you don't have one things become very difficult!
Just wait I give it 6 months before we get a "the colonials were the real villains!" video
Already done that :)
In the first cylon war, sure. They were slavers fighting a war against eacaped slaves.
"All of this has happened before"
Who do you think nuked Kobol and killed the "gods" that created the 13 tribes?
Who created a sentient race and forced them into slavery?
Who violated the armistice?
The children of humanity had no choice but to perform a pre-emptive strike against the colonies, it was all a part of Gods plan.
nBSG kicks ass. The Raptor is a good ship. No glory in it but you do the real work.
The re-imagined Battlestar Galactica is the best piece of television writing ever. It’s my favorite show of all time.
I would say that it's on par with Babylon 5 - but it's really good.
Great breakdown! Im a huge BSG fan... in fact after watching the reimagined series, it’s a little hard to go back to Star Trek...!
In the game battlestar galactica online the raptor was a formidable support ship. It was humongous fun to fly and responsible for many sabotage kills. One of my fav ships in the game. ❤️
The Raptor is a great Multi-Purpose shuttle, especially when you have Space Superiority. The 2004 BSG series is one of the best shows ever put to a screen. Great story in general with some of the best writing I have seen to date. Even if your not a fan of Sci Fi, I'd recommend this show
I loved the re-imagined series, because it had the feel of an actual war story, and one that can easily be lost. You watch the Star Wars movies and you never really get that whole sense of things from the Rebel Alliance: no sense of exhaustion, or that they're pushing themselves through something desperate.
The Raptor is, story-wise, a good ship. It feels useful, but it has its limitations. It gets stuff done. It's neither a plot-armored super-weapon, nor something that's just there to get blown up. It actually comes across as a tough little workhorse and force multiplier doing very dangerous jobs (and sometimes getting the short end of the stick).
Ty ty ty for something else :D
I'm trying to do a majority trek with other stuff in between.
I love BSG and the raptor was fantastic.
It’s a lovely little pillbox
Enjoy the original had my doubts about the remake but when I finally saw it two thumbs up !!!!
The Raptor is a good multi-role vessel in the Colonial Fleet and perfectly serves in the roles for which it was designed.
Excellent vid -- more Battlestar content, please!
I loved the reboot of BSG. I watched the original as a kid and thought of it as an updated 1930’s serial for kids. Robot dogs and “wait a centon” made the show goofy. I wish they would do a reboot of Buck Rogers from the 70’s in the same style. It would be epic.
I thought it was interesting that the number 8 Sharon model cylon’s appeared to be the best pilots.
Raptors are the unsung heroes of the Colonial fleet.
I loved the Raptor, and I never understood the criticisms made towards it. Like you said it is the work horse of the fleet, the eyes and ears of all viper squadrons, and it had way more versatility than any other ship. Plus, I always thought that the design was pretty cool. Especially, when they introduced the attack raptor variant! I jumped with glee when I saw that. I should note that I think the Raptor was a little overused, it had too many responsibilities assigned to it. My best guess is that all the other ships that would have taken on those roles were destroyed in the Fall. For example, stealth missions would have probably been assigned to smaller battlestars similar to the Osiris and small vessels like the stealthstars, but they were all probably destroyed. The same goes for troop transports. They probably had vessels similar to the Pelican in the Halo universe but even those were all destroyed, or they didn't put much thought into what that would look like since they knew that most of the BSG story would take place in space. They did introduce a white and red shuttle that they claimed serve as a troop transport (you can Google it and you can see multiple times in the miniseries) but it does not look military at all. It looks so out of place next to the other military vessels, though I would later find that it is a nod to the original series shuttle in the RDM universe it looks more like a civilian vessel converted to fill the role. Anyway, RDM BSG is one of the best sci-fis of all time and definitely the best BSG to date.
Love BSG and RDMBSG!
I was hoping there'd be some mentions of raptors used in the first war against the Cylons seen in BSG: Blood & Chrome. Raptors were also nicknamed "schoolbuses"too.
I loved the design of the Raptor. It filled vital roles in lore. It had very good flight deck visibility. They got into trouble most times for plot reasons though, so it's hard to say how much of the fault goes to a make believe ship.
I loved BSG though, so I'm biased.
When I was playing Battlestar Galactica Online, I filled this role in my clan. I would scout in the raptor and the raptor FR, get close to enemy fleets and vessels, drops a beacon and have my whole group jump in on top of them. I would do this with enemy space stations too. A group would go high or low and fly off detection behind the defensive lines and behind the forward arch of the space station to within 200km and drop a beacon. Then boom my guys where there to wipe it out, I would set up for the next space station as they were killing this one. It worked well, with the computer, sensors and countermeasures. Because of this the Raptor will always have a special place in my heart. Was very sad to see the game taken down and ended.
This series seems more your style. Keep it up!
Dont like my indepth stuff?
One of the hardest ships to design is the *small multi-role vessel.* What do you compromise, what do you leave out, what do you make optional? It is a far more difficult balancing act than a pure combat vessel (which you can tell if it works or not by the simple metric of ship vs ship combat).
A StarFury from Babylon 5 could do exactly the same job as a Viper. Just engines and guns and the systems to control and aim them are what's needed.
For multi-role vessels, with a large ship you can just keep adding stuff, but with a small vessel *_it's like sculpture,_* what you take away or leave out is what defines it.
And that is where the Raptor is a great multi-role vessel.
It isn't bloated, yet it does everything it needs to, and at a budget.
It fullfills the requirements of a bunch of different ships specifications, freeing up inventory.
It is the *Holy Grail* of multi role vessels, flexible and versatile, while not being so overly complicated or expensive that it can't be fielded in numbers.
And while Daniel prefers specialised ships for every role, even in combat, I prefer a mix of _pure_ dedicated combat vessels, supported by multi role do everything ships. Their job is to ensure the pure combat vessels can use their abilities to the fullest _to inflict hurt,_ by taking on the roles that would be detrimental to pure firepower and survivability if they were included in the dedicated strike vessels.
That even carries over to capital ships in various IP's
For example in Trek, Defiants backed up by standard versatile Starfleet ships (such as Intrepids).
But in Trek all weapons work on all size ships, it's just a matter of total firepower, not specialised weapons for each ship type, so you don't need screening vessels for various opponents.
And their larger shuttles are the ultimate small multi-role, being both combat and general purpose ships.
In Star Wars, well that's complicated. But a pure capital ship for ship to ship combat, but with both point defence and capital grade weaponry.
Then a well rounded ship, built on the same space frame _if possible,_ that can do ground operations, carrier duty, troop transport ect, all the stuff that is included in every Star Wars capital ship (and smaller frigates and corvettes as well!), even if it's only task is going head to head with other big ships.
Screening vessels have the issue that they can be specifically targeted by their rock/paper/scissors and taken out, leaving the too specialised ISD (for example) vunerable.
In the ISD case have your captial ships just go after the flak support ships, then bug out and leave the ISD to your fighters once it's AA guard fleet is turbolasered.
And in Star Wars the greatest fighter was the X-wing (the Tie Defender was never released in the mainstream) that could do all jobs pretty well.
Even in large ships in BSG, pure carriers like BaseStars were cannon bait to Battlestars. The only real dedicated specialized front line ship concept that would work (and thanks to jump drives, everywhere was the front line) would be a pure cannon and armour battlewagon that was designed to blast enemy capital ships while point defence and flak kept the fighters and ordnance off it.
And even then it would need a versatile companion ship to provide fighter support for large-scale operations beyond hit really hard and run.
*There's specialisation and then there's overspecialisation.*
And then there's versatility, and the Raptor is it's king, *perfection of the concept* for small ships.
If the Colonial Empire had survived, it would have become a iconic ship, looked back on with affection.
The Raptor is one of the best, most "realistic" starfighter-class ships ever designed. I contend the U-Wing from Rogue One was an attempt to bring that style of ship into Star Wars, because such a ship is always a good thing to have.
Gotta love the school bus lol
This is the F-35 to the viper's F-22.
Run, run, run, run, run!
I liked the reimaged BSG. It had good stories and was all about the humans and Cylons. No other aliens. Just good stories. And except for the last half hour of the series, it was pretty solid.
Love BSG!
what do I think of raptor?
If I could get either raptor or viper irl, I'd totally pick raptor ;)
as for BSG reboot-verse - it's solid, haven't seen much of originals to draw comparisions... but that little I have seen/heard of original series sounds extremely cheesy. I guess cheesy was dominant style of sci-fi's of that period ;)
I think it looks like a dragonfly without wings, The result of aninal torture and a very solid and reliable ticket for an early demise. I think it's a fossil and it's name Raptor does remind of prehysteric times
Dwight Schrute brought me here. Bears, beats, Battlestar Galactica!
Dwight schrute?
@@LoreReloaded The Office. My wife loves the office and I am about half into getting her to watching BSG.
Vipers get the glory, but the true backbone of the fleet is the Raptor.
Ah the Raptor aka the flying phillbox : )
So, it was the UH-1 line of BSG?
tba113 Pretty much.
@@kabob0077 Awesome. Those are some pretty great machines.
Actually the better comparison is a the Lockheed S-3 Viking. Carrier based. Long range. Multi purpose.
I think of the Raptor like the AH-64 Apache helicopter: Ugly, But Well Hung...
It is a lovely deathtrap...
The Raptor's a deathtrap, no doubt about it. But it's a necessary deathtrap.
Sir your TIE Fighter is ready for take off. This way Sir. XD
I kind of liked the original series but the reboot is way more gritty and the acting is sooooo much better. Starbuck, Apollo and Adama, the change there was really inpired and I just loved Boomer
The raptor? I want one! it's utility just shines through
I liked these little Raptor jump shuttles. But the Colonial Vipers where a total rip off from the Starwars X-wing.
yfw, Universal was sued by Fox for stealing "34 distinct ideas from starwars" to which, Universal counter-sued that those 34 ideas were stolen from Universal's 1972 film Silent Running and the Buck Rodgers serials of the 1930's. Fox later dropped their claims. So maybe they were a ripoff of the X-wing, which was a ripoff itself. ;) Research is your friend!
@@Midnight.Shadows I didn't even know any of that. I was suggesting the Viper was a rip of from the X-wing since they looked remarkable similar.
The both have same basic design with a single occupant under a canopy & the long nose section. They're even exactly the same color (white with red stripes). The main difference was that the Viper had 3 wings & engines in back (instead of the X-wings 4).
The original BSG series also came out in 1978. Barely a year after the immensely popular first Starwars movie in 1977.
The Huey Chopper of sci fi
More videos like this pls papa lore
run! GET TO DA RAPTOR!!!!
The Raptor is awesome and you should stop making fun of it! :p
Muy bueno!
We need more Gary the Cylon.
Personally I think the Raptor was too multirole. AWACS, EW support and reconnaissance should have been it's only role, with possibly rescue and recovery. But rescue and recovery would actually be handled better by a dedicated assault/drop ship vessel. Heavy attack, bomber, or ground support should have been a separate vessel entirely.
However that said the Galactica was about to become a museum when the second war started. Whether other vessels with more dedicated roles existed we may never know because they didn't survive and none were on the Galactica. The fact the Raptor could be fit into these roles is a good thing and makes sense in universe.
I really liked the Raptor, but I always felt that they had it performing too many roles. The Raptor is perfect for duties like the ECM/EWF role and scouting. I am even okay with its use in picketing and carrying dispatches. Heck, it could even serve as a customs service cutter in the Colonies. But there really should be a few shuttles/tenders to take the load off the Raptor. At the least there ought to be a medium personnel shuttle and a heavy troop carrier/cargo carrier for when you don't need to send an AWACS plane/Apache Helicopter hybrid to serve as a lighter ferrying cargo or as an Admiral's barge transporting VIPs.
James Albright a third class would have been nice, I felt the raptor is far too small to carry troops.
The Blackhawk in space.
the raptor is alot like the y-wing, its slow, its not flashy but it gets the job done
I thought the colonial Viper was an awful lot like the Starwars X-wing (just with 3 wings & engines instead of 4).
I absolutely love the Raptor, mainly since it's capable of doing almost anything without being stupidly overpowered. I'd greatly prefer to fly a Raptor than a Viper.
If you haven't already, you should do the original series versions [if there's enough of a difference]
The Colonial Raptor: the Unsung hero of Humanity
The LAAT of BSG
At least its not an Oberth.^^
More BSG
Please
I know it is not suited for it BUT could the Raptor dogfight at all? Are there any recordings of it taking on a Raider and winning as a dogfighter?
What did I think about the raptors? -They needed to be utilized better.
What did I think about the reimagined BSG universe? -Awesome, but Season 3 needs to be redone without a horrible plotline. It was the mid 2000s version of the ending of Game of Thrones.
Lawgistics. I lurv it.
I have learned that the battle star galitica story is based on Mormon theology.
Why not do a video on the Urbanmech from Battletech?
Sounds like a good idea
BSG Hero Ship
2:14 did he just show a Raptor destroying a Shadow Warship from B5
IF you ever get around to stargate stuff, send me a pm on discord (same name as here), i can do some renders of the models for you from the series.
The Raptors are the workhorse of the fleet
Remeber that
Even though it could carry a squad of troops, the raptor looked too small on screen. Proportions were weird and boarding is difficult. Should have had a rear ramp.
The Raptor did look bigger on the inside than the outside. That's also something I thought about the Delta Flyer on Startrek Voyager.
It's role is more like an attack chopper than a do it all vehicle. The U-wing seemed like a better all round vehicle. It's size, shape, and proportions was just right. The raptor is an ugly bulbous minivan. The creators choose the wrong design.
@@sitoudien9816 I thought the design was cool for the role it played. It was more of troop transport / ground support & reconnaissance craft than it was an attack fighter. But I see your point, it did kind of resemble a flying Ford transit cargo van.
@@sitoudien9816 Yes. The U-wing is a more handsome design. But (in my opinion) BSG already plagiarized Starwars by using the X-wing design for the Viper.
What confused me about the reboot is why they did not use the two most advanced tactical advantages the original batttlestar had that been shelds which insures the ship is not take serious hull damage after even small battles and turbo lasers which dont need ammo and are more powerful advanced then projectile weapons it make the original battlestar galactica more advanced then the reboot one
Do halos pelican
1:54 shaft pods, thats hot.
Anyways, could you try a sci-fi melee weapon focused video? Maybe like a ST vs SW vs BSG (does BSG have melee weapons? Lol). And make sure lightsabers lose, for comedic purposes, of course
BSG doesn't have melee weapons, because they recognize that modern battlefields have no use for such things.
Sundog A tell that to a Klingon, you’ll wake up in sickbay with a new hole. But I digress, In Star Trek, a universe in which dampening fields exist, melee weapon have a small, yet valuable place. As for BSG I’ve never actually seen an episode, unfortunately
@@aspire4more In BSG most of the hand weapons seem to be slugthrowers, highly efficient ones.
Sundog A pretty cool, i had no idea. Star fleet had a prototype type sniper rifle designed for use in dampening fields, it was never implemented, i cant for the life of me remember why, maybe it was to inhumane? Lol. not at all like humanly vaporizing your opponent with sizzling energy, oh those gurgling screams you hear as the persons body is ripped apart atom by atom? That just gas escaping lol
The Colonial Raptor seemed to be to multi role
Lore Reloaded a part of the credit music does remind very much of the music used in The Hunger Games quadrilogy , It's the part where they fallen are commemorated with a photo in the sky. Did it steal from BSG ? or what is the deal in your opinion ?
The database of YT's advanced ai does not contain the word 'quadrilogy'' >
*sarcasm mode engaged* Shame the reboot only lasted 3 seasons.. they didn’t even have a chance to do the season 3 finale... I was looking forward to finally finding out who the final five were. Better to have suddenly ended then to have jumped the shark..*sarcasm mode disengaged*
Uploaded just as I was listening to BSG - Reuniting the Fleet 🤔
...i watch you ..
Gods, I miss the Battlestar Wiki...
Is it gone?
@@LoreReloaded Technically... no. There is an archived, cloned version, but it looks to be a simplified edition of the old one. I guess most or all the information is there and stuff, but its lost... something. A counterpoint to Memory Alpha it is no longer.
I don't care how good this ship is, it won't ever be able to match the oberth class.😂😂😂
This is off your base and im aware but which would you prefer or think would win. Viper or starfury
Starfury. At least the thunderbolt type can fly circles around the viper literally.
Starfury. Roughly equal maneuverability and seem to be close in toughness, but the Fury's unipulse cannons were significantly more powerful than the Viper's railguns.
Check spacedock
Would Data side with the Cylons?
Really enjoyed the new BSG and am still upset at that writers strike that affected, heroes, prison break and a few other great-ended ok shows.
Honestly, the show got kind of weird near the end. It out way too supernatural for what had been a decently hard science fiction reboot series. The hard sci-fi was what I liked about it in the first place.
I liked the new Battlestar Galactica allot up till the end of the second season. After that, emotionally, for some reason the show just kind of lost me. But it was pretty cool in its own way. I think l liked the original better though.
Has the Raptor not another nick name? I think it was Milk Cow.