BSG Lore : Colonial Refugees and Human limits
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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We'll be breaking down the reason why the Cylons went after the Colonials as well as the first episode - 33.
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I visited the BSG set in Vancouver in the middle of the fourth season and got to talk to Ron French. I told him that this was the most intense episode of television I'd ever seen. He gave me a BSG button with the series logo on it. We were standing in the CIC set and it was wrecked (this was after the mutiny), and I went to Gaeta's station. The clock still had the piece of tape on it that marked 33 minutes...
Tigh and Adama relationship with the crew is similar to the "ideal" relationship between the crew and the senior leadership. The Captain is the leader, that typically doesn't involve himself with the day to day discipline of the crew, the XO is supposed to handle the routine discipline particularly of the junior officers and the senior enlisted.
Mistakes were made, plently, on both sides. Just shows how human those Cylons had been. *grabs popcorn*
@Ben Siener THAT was a group of Colonials; the Cylons just didn't leave him to die on NC.
@Ben Siener He didn't believe it; he just thought "crazy nutcases I can bang vs people who want to beat me to death and throw what's left out the airlock" was a better choice...
Another thing that was cut was a short scene where the picture of the Unknown Soldier came from, the picture that's hung up by the door in the pilot's briefing room. It was taken on the capital of Aquaria during the fall and had quickly become the moment that embodied the tragedy. Unlike the others this was probably changed for time rather then content.
Also? When did they have time to develop the film and distribute a copy to the Galactica, (let alone who the photograph was)?
@@Sephiroth144
Digital distribution? Someone on Galactica snatched it out of the ether before their equivalent of the Web went down for good?
OH MY GOD THAT SHOW WAS SO GOOD!!!!!!!
Battlestar Galactica is one of my Favourite shows ever
Yup!
So say we all!
So say we all!
this FIRST episode shows the Cylons playing to their best strength: they are tireless relentless machines that need no sleep and have effectively infinite resources and time.
I like the idea of not knowing if there was anybody on board. To me that just adds to the horror. It was a question faced by a fighter pilot on 9/11. There was an aircraft not responding to radio calls. Turns out they just had radio issues but there was a belief that it had been taken over and needed to be shot down. Art imitating life.
Everybody seems to forget that the Galactica was about to be retired at the start of the second or third human/cylon war. Also this crew was about to transfer out, the ship was being turned into a museum.
Tell that to the Cylons who didn't care.
Imagine how different the show would have been even 2 years earlier in-canon.
Luv the bsg lore, more to come hopefullly
As far as I'm concerned, you can make videos like this all you want. I love BSG. Your analysis of it is concise and comprehensive, it just reminds me of how wonderful the series was.
Saro Dantra So say we all!
Already to Season 4! Step it up, Lore Reloaded!
it was such an amazing show that i own it all, but so sad i can't watch it all again. the musical theme itself perfectly expressed hope and sadness competing. i hope the re-reboot lives up to this series.
It's not going to be a reboot and that has been confirmed. Some type of side story or from another time is what I heard.
@@Bland-79 great, so we're getting 'Galactica 1984'?
Personally, I just can't see a useful direction to continue the story.
A prequel, ala caprica, would be hamstrung, as we know the final outcome. Sure the story and setting might be interesting, I found caprica rather lacking, but we already know that in the end all the characters are doomed so why invest in them?
A new war would be equally as hamstrung, with nothing really new to be added. A new cylon type? A new style of ship? Where can you actually go?
A side story? So we get another group of refugees running from the cylon. Been there done that.
I'll give it whirl when it comes out, but I have very little hope for it in the current climate of t.v./movies.
@@Bland-79 hmm nifty. can you link me the article about this?
@@chrisbaker8533 caprica had 2 good things: it told of the OG robots (yah i said robots) and had an interesting cyberspace side. it wasn't that great at making either the legit explanation of the new cylon, monotheistic massacre, and aside from a huge tangent into caprica gangland, could have been a 2 hour feature. but as last BSG was incredible compared to 70's, 80's version, i could still be interested in either take.
@@c.ladimore1237 I can't remember the website. A UA-camr who covers this stuff had the link but I didn't save the video and it was weeks ago I seen it. I have the whole series also on DVD.
I think the sub plot was that the Cylon agent was caught by the crew but the Cylon was able to disable the ships communications and jump drive.
(Captain, Chief Engineer?)
Galactica missed the fact the ship was off line and the fleet jumped.
The Cylons immediately captured the ship and rescued their agent.
Realizing that the ships cover would be blown when it returned to the fleet they decided to pack it full of nukes and try to a kamikaze attack on Galactica.
When excessive neutrons were detected , the attack failed.
The passengers were either killed by the Cylons , or were locked in compartments away from the windows to keep them from signaling anyone who did a fly-by.
I would like to point out 1 issue with the Cylon not having the same issues with equipment As the Colonial Fleet... While yes, a Basestar does jump in every 33 Min, is it the same Basestar? We know the Cylons had many.. Hell, 4 were at New Caprica.. So the limits of Cylon Tech may not be to dissimilar than that of the Colonial Fleet.. Just an Idea..
@Ben Siener The Fatigue Factor wasn't a Cylon issue, that's true.. But we do see that the Cylon do make identical copies of everything they operate.. The Raiders, Centurions, Hell even the Human Cylons have exact copies.. The Basestars are most likely the same way. When one pops up on Galatica's Dradus, it only says Basestar and you can see all Colonial Ships with their IFF codes.
@Ben Siener A Starbase?? Maybe the Hybrids can tell each other apart, but the Ship Designs are most likely cookie cutters. But all Raiders are built identical.. Scar was one that was Resurrected many times like the Human Replicates and learned after each lose. But when Resurrection was destroyed, 1 life and that's its. A blank Bot is a Blank Bot and can only do as it's programming allows. If a Cylon Lives long enough, it will build it's own identity, But this is not a quality we see with Basestars. At the end of the series, Adama gives the Basestar to the Centurions.. So, my original hypothesis still stands. We don't know if it was the same Basestar or different ones rotating their attacks. I think it would be logical to rotate out your attack craft to keep ship efficiency as high as possible.
@Ben Siener Good question... I never understood why the Cylons didn't attack in mass when the figured out how to track the Colonial Fleet... They had the firepower that's for sure.. But, as Caprica 6 might say "It's all Gods will and we must play our parts." Perhaps God did it to drive the Colonials to where they needed to be to find their and Cylon redemption..
@Ben Siener I don't buy it.. Cavil was the one who wiped The 5 Memories and dumping them onto the Colonies to begin with.. Had they died during the fall of the Colonies, They would have be resurrected with the other Cylon. Cavil would have found the 5 Faster with Nuke First policy when Galatica was discovered with it's fleet... No, To many things just didn't add up except when you ad Baltar and Cap 6 and God's Will manipulating things along..
@Ben Siener Well, if you recall the last Episode.. They were said to be "Angels" by Baltar back at the Cylon Colony. When they flashed forward to Modern Time, Baltar and Cap 6 were there.. "Angel" Baltar said that "He didn't like being called "God" " So, in the BSG Universe, There was an entity that had God Like ability pushing the narrative... We are talking about Series Lore and not real world situation...
The removal of the scene about suicide numbers I think was actually a good idea, because this fact comes out later when the fleet moral was even lower. When they found the 13th colony which was prophesied as the promise land but turned out to be a nuclear wasteland made so by their own Cylons, everyone fell as Adama's moral boosting words came crashing down as a lie. Dualla's own suicide wouldn't have been as impactful if we knew this was an issue early in the fleet's exodus.
But being scaled by the XO was really just playing in character, that's the type of person Saul Tigh was even when he isn't drunk. Same with Adama having better words to convey that helped raise hope while calming down his 2IC.
I really love the acting of all the characters in this series. It was so intricately done for the finale as everything falls into place so well.
They seem to detect when the warhead is activated (I assume the dradas is detecting it) , not that there is a nuke onboard already
*DRADIS
@@freezetasticvoyage19 yep I just could not be bothered to Google it (Google voice was not working for it as well)
And I think that's fairly typical; until it would be armed, it would likely be shielded- hell, they didn't raise a Radiological Alarm until the Basestar fired its nukes at Galactica in the pilot; the Basestar obviously had the nuclear missiles before the RadAlarm went up... (Nor was the nuke aboard Cloud Nine detected before, well, its was pretty obvious.)
yeah, even I have mixed feelings about the plot points that were altered or removed from the script. the number of people that chose to 'opt-out' is an iffy one. I guess it's down to the level of what some experience as so bad, so horrific, it haunts them, gives them nightmares for the rest of their life. Maybe it is best they do not have some things in a story.
The 'Opt-out' thing being removed, I don't think is that bad, I just feel they didn't want to be promoting it to viewers that may be in difficult times and have far better options on the table, not to say not experiencing as bad of a situation. So I can understand them removing that, even tho it does add to an already dier situation presentation.
Nice, video. Speaking BSG: why Baltar never told anyone that Sharon is a cylon?
Actually, this is something I never could quite get either. Understandably, he wouldn't tell her the test came out positive because it might activate some programming and cause her to kill him.
Maybe he was afraid that if he went to the Commander and exposed her, then she would reveal his unwitting involvement in the genocide.
@@starsiegeplayer IMHO, its a combination of self preservation and the "oh shit, anyone can be a cylon" moment.
At that point, who do you trust?
@@chrisbaker8533 this is something a few shows could have learned.
I always thought it was either he would tell later, or some sense of self denial. "He is alive because she got him off Caprica, surely she can't be a cylon" kind of thing
I think that it was because he suspected (correctly) there might be more cylons in the fleet and they would kill him if they knew his device worked and he did not know who they were.
BSG is one of my fav scifi series of all time. I love the vids keep them coming.
This BSG is one of my favorite SciFi series off all time, please do many many many more, say every episode and character including the webisodes and all the cut content released. LOVE BSG!
The Cylons tracking the ship and Cylon resurrection technology implies there is FTL communications technology possible but the Colonial fleet does not have that capability, as they never use it. However they seem to readily accept what is suggested by Cylon tech. The show is entirely ambivalent on confirming or denying FTL communications.
I always assumed FTL communication was a thing even for the Colonials. You couldn't otherwise feasibly communicate with other ships in the way that they did. The attack on the colonies showed large scale messages being broadcast between the planets and ships, immediately after the events took place. Never is there any lag shown between receiving a message and the event actually occurring. I think it is mostly a matter of distance - perhaps the cylons simply had a far greater distance limit for their FTL communications compared to the colonials.
As an old fart who grew up on the original series I was dubious about the new BSG. I thought the TV movie was ok but then aired the first proper episode of the series, 33. It blew my mind! They just knocked it outta the park with that one!
FYI every time you post a bsg video I will watch it. If they released a new bsg show right now I would literally change my schedule at work just to watch each episode when it premiered.
love to see more bsg lore. I did hear a couple of mistakes with name pronunciations but it was still good to hear your thoughts on 33. I hope to see more, maybe martial law and the fleet being split
Also they never really addressed the food issue throughout the series. Like where were they getting their food stock from? I know they said Galactica could replenish the water supply with recyclers, but actual foodstock was never really fleshed out. Did they have a farming ship with livestock and grain?
They could have fleshed it out better, i agree. They did have certain foodstuffs and consumables in storage, as is shown in some of the episodes dealing with the smugglery and corruption within the fleet, and Tom Zarek had a large hand in deciding which supplies went where. Then it is shown they ran out of bulk edibles and addressed with the algae planet - seems like they harvested an enormous amount of organic, edible matter with their mission to the algae planet. It is implied that this was processed into a variety of foodstuffs, although not to everyone's enthusiasm. I always assumed they did have some limited hydroponic facilities, as this is the only way to acquire fresh fruits and vegetables. Key word being "limited", though, which is why only the fleet's elite has any real access to them, a fact which Tom Zarek repeatedly pointed out and exploited in order to gain political momentum. I still agree it could have been addressed more, and it was left too much to our imagination. In my opinion, the ship that was used for recreation (i forget the name) could have easily been converted to a large scale food production facility. I understand that people needed a place to unwind and the series needed the ship in order to have a different kind of set for stories to take place, but realistically public pressure would have demanded the ship be utilised for the production of fresh fruits and vegetables for the entire fleet.
There was one FTL capable Botanical Cruiser present for the entirety of the exodus.
en.battlestarwikiclone.org/wiki/Botanical_Cruiser
Cloud 9 also had a habitat dome, but it appears to have used that solely for gardens, not for farming.
At least one episode in the original series had an episode dealing with the cylons destroying some farming ships. I’m moderately sure that the same ship model was used for at least one of the background civilian ships. So I assume they have the same function.
it would be cool to see an "Adama on trial" video similiar to what you have done with other sci fi protagonists
That would be interesting to see. Fair warning the prosecution will have an uphill battle as far as I'm concerned. Cain on the other hand...
Anyone looking forward to another reboot of this series?
Loving the Galactica lore!! A better series than Trek, even, in my opinion.
Dustin Carlson so say we all!
Thanks for doing this video, Lore!
It's hard to understand how they reached the conclusion of 'nukes aboard' unless Colonial ships don't use any form of nuclear power. It would have to be a change from the Olympic Carrier's usual signature, either the presence of radiation at all or a change in the level/type of radiation compared to it's previous profile. Engines would be shielded from the passenger section, away from Galactica and hard to detect at range. The nuclear bomb(s) would themselves have been shielded, but perhaps that would have been detectable by a Raptor at closer range if placed in a unshielded location.
Keep these coming, I love this series!!
33 minutes was perfect...
That was great!
This great for me as I just binged the whole show.
Love this show...even though at times it was hard to watch...the whole Starbuck Apollo thing reminded me of my ex and i a lot so whenever that popped on screen i usually felt uncomfortable. But overall i loved the show
Hey Lore have you watched The Plan? Depressing as all hell BUT it adds a lot of “parallel” info.
I love BSG. Specifically for the situations like this
As far as I remember, it is stated in the verry first Episode that the 12 colonies experienced a huge technological regress as a result of the trauma known as the First Cylon War.
Advanced computer systems became humanites crucial weakspot as it was easy for the cylons to hack dur to their nature as cybernetic lifeforms.
Returning from digital to analogue technology became a necessity to survive.
The fact that the cylons devolped more efficient computer systems, FTl-drives etc. has nothing to do with their monotheistißc ideology. They simply evolved and improved themself as a technological civilization, while the colonies turned their backs on highly advanced technology thanks to their technophobia caused by the cylon rebellion.
And then they advanced greatly..it was in the main series..all the regress undone
The Cylons made me aware of the dangers of networking everything, especially those IoT things that want to join your network....
Love BSG it's the gritty real show I wish all the others were like
I'm a simple man. I see a vid on BSG I hit like. So say we all
Really enjoyed BG04...you do know that it is the Greco-Roman Origin myth...right? Which makes the fact that the number assigned to the Galactica is the number for a Missionary makes the whole pseudo religious experience that the Polyhistor Isaac Asminov predicted for this generation of humanity and salvation involving scifi. Plus i mean the genius of who would have ever thought of that pairing Greek Mormons
im actually rewatching bsg im on the final season , any one whos not properly watched bsg yet really really should
That's was brilliant!!!
Perhaps more modern Cylon jump drives have enough range they can have two or three forces cycling to rest their drives longer
What I hated about this whole thing but had to be done but it could have not been done if written well is the fact once they got to the earth of our world the one Starbuck coded for us to jump too, they decided to dump away all their technology and sent all their ships into the sun and on top of that the Cylons (machine versions) went on their way to some place in the galaxy. I've told my friends for years after the show that the directors where so off on this and did it an injustice. For one, you as an alien on this planet is deciding to not have any advantage and try to live on an alien planet with all the diseases and fungus and animals and even weather with just the clothes on your back and a few tools?
Wait when you need a doctor or you shoes wear through along with your clothes and also you get a nasty hang nail or mechanical injury (quad rupture or knee damage or hip) and you can't move if not die from the injuries and not to mention the diseases and fungus. What they essentially did was lower the lifespan of every man, woman and child that is left. Not to mention the fact that this was 150,000 years in our history, guess what that was well into the megafauna age. Look up megafauna it means large animals. Everything from saber tooth tigers to Mammoth to 5 ton tree/ground sloths to any and every type of animal that is larger and faster and even today with our guns would have issues taking them down let alone a new group of beings who have a few tools.
What they could have done is have all the ships land/crash onto the surface of the moon on the light side so if and when we get enough technology we will be able to see them on the moon surface and also go through the wreckage and find out the history of the people we used to be. Because how dare them to destroy our past and not knowing that essentially a section of our humanity came from another section of the galaxy and it was mated with biological cylons and the humanoids of earth.
Also by them keeping as much of their technology on the planet could have worked, it would explain the weird things in our past and the things that where "magic" but wasn't. And the reason it would work is the fact technology or no technology they still didn't have the industrial base to be able to remake a tech civilization to what it was and if so it could have destroyed itself 130,000 years ago and enough time could have went by that what was left of their colonial technology would have rusted away along with what knowledge except bits and pieces along with the moon where the ships where landed.
Love your videos
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Lore never been in the military col tigh was right to do that
Right to do it? Absolutely.
Being a good leader while doing so? Now that's the question.
Set condition 1 though out the ship lore contact on a CBDR course.
Hey love you video man but would you consider doing the original series lore video at some point as well
Ive already started and done two videos
bit weird that the colonials didn't have a greater space habitat system...couple of hundred thousand O''Neill Cylinders both in and out of the system would have made the Cylon genocide almost impossible...
Just have to face it. The Cylons were just better at almost everything. Although, as they were created by the humans, they began to start making mistakes. Or did they?
Political correctness, is I think why they opted to remove the crew from that one ship. There was already a lot of heat about a military bunker being hit that in hindsight was revealed after the fact to have civilians in it. It wouldn't matter to some why the ship had to be destroyed, after that bunker incident, Adoma would have been evil incarnate to some if he shot at a ship full of civilians regardless of the circumstances. So maybe it was best, for the ship being occupied and by whom if at all, was unknown.
Well Cylons also had Human Cylon breeding experiments running
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 i'll never unsee that episode.
Good stuff but too short, now I have to go find something just as interesting to watch..
No mention of the role of God in this? I'm not a believer, but Baltar-who was tortured by his conscience and the prospect of being outed as a Cylon conspirator by someone on the Olympic Carrier is really worth noting because in this post 9/11 mythology, God is a brute. Baltar who's constantly harrassed by sexy Cylon 6 is told the Cylons are able to track the humans because of his blasphemy, of his unwillingness to acknowledge an omniscient divine being allowing them to suffer and die and go mad with despair. It's really crucial to understanding 33 to note that with the Olympic Carrier bearing down on the fleet, radiological alarms tripping communications, out, Adama and Rosilyn are helpless to make up their minds. Baltar is the only one prescient of the situation (though it's more fear of embarrasment than death that drives it) and screams, get your heads out of your asses, it's us or them! But even that doesn't move the dial, it's the very moment he expresses contrition and asks God for forgiveness that the miracle happens. "Do it!" Rosilyn orders Adama. There's the miracle of God, to change the chemicals of fear in a womans brain to allow her to order a mass killing. That's all God gives the humans. God doesn't relieve guilt, doesn't provide closure, doesn't even lead them to safe harbor, just makes them humans more vicious and psychotic so that they can survive.
The overarching moral of BSG is that it's not enough for humanity to survive. Humanity has to deserve to survive. I can see this rubbing Nihilists and Calvinists the wrong way, but the implication of the series is that God only helps humanity improve it's attitude towards life and creation, but doesn't allow them to escape the consequences of their arrogance and then, through Starbuck, delivers the redeemed to Earthly paradise.
This is total bullshit in my view because it just shows in extreme circumstances the extinction imperative makes any adaptation permissible and in less extreme circumstance behaviors revert. So unless God torments people eternally, their behaviors won't hold to It's unnatural standard-which kind of destroys the distinction between heaven and hell, doesn't it? The ending of the series points out that nature and evolution exceed God's power and influence that either He's amusing Himself or He is fooling Himself.
No because it wasnt relevant to the events..like in real life..no way to prove one way or the other..just like i cant prove that the show also has universe changing invisible unicorns and they are there..just cant see
I see where the "resistance" plot line from the last jedi came from.
Except their execution was garbage
What an eloquent Dissertation.....
It was horrifying
I actually think continuing the story is a bad idea. They should just reboot it.
One of my biggest beefs with Battlestar Galactica was the lack of Cylon nuance. "KILL ALL HUMANS!" Is so one-dimensional. This episode was great though.
Oh no, the Olympic Carrier had its full crew; source? ALL the writers.
I wouldn't put it past the Cylon fanatics, but the point was more about what the Colonial fleet knew.
@@OllamhDrab Apollo saw them; there's also a deleted scene in... I wanna say Season 3 where he's reviewing the footage from that incident, and tells Starbuck "I know I saw people in there"...
But even then, hard choices- do you risk literally everything for 3% of everything? (See also, cracking the Enigma Code)
The writers say there were people aboard. But no one asked, where they still alive? I'm thinking, yes there were 1,345 people aboard, they just dead.
@@ShannonCarter55 The comments were that they wanted to show them moving around in the windows- so, unless they meant the Cylons were doing a real messed recreation of that Home Alone scene, I'm pretty sure they meant they were supposed to be alive...
@@Sephiroth144 maybe it's the Cylons who activated the nukes and got picked up by Galactica and Crashdown moments before it was destroyed. Remember they didn't pick up the readings until then and don't forget how close the Raptor was to the liner beforehand. And I have this awful picture of the Cylons boarding and killing the fleeing passengers from one set of seats to the other. Men, women and children and leaving their bodies in the corridors.
I was ready to give this video endless crap, but it’s right. The right choice was made. The only choice was made. Even if the studio hadn’t gotten involved and there were humans on it, it was still the horribly right choice. And not just in the end. It was a hard choice that had to be made, given the circumstances. 😑
colonial holocaust, or colocaust... am I the only one who finds it funny? why do i find it funny?
Im just mad i didnt think of the name
I don't know about a Colonial Holocaust, but I've experienced more than one Colon Holocaust after Taco Bell which is why I don't go there anymore.
Either way you'll get rekt, son.
@@LoreReloaded ...oh, I'm flattered, you're one of my most favorite wordplay/pun teachers! =D
This version I watched but it was to gritty but It began to be a rip off the bible Moses leading the jews out of Egypt and the movie which the Jewish people claimed Israel from the Arabs and the Brits well that's how I see it
The RDM timeline isn't BSG! 1978 BSG is the real deal!!
Earth doesn't exist???!!!? Ahh!!!! Crap!!!! Ok so we are all figments of lores imagination and he is totally nuts.... Sorry everyone we are nothing more then lores delusions... We don't really exist.... 🙄🙄🙄🙄