Nice tier list. Would've been a shame, if patch 7.36c got released just as the video got posted. =) At least, they've nerfed most of the cancer heroes, like SF and such.
Good tier list. I like that you clarify low vs high MMR and rank accordingly. I saw another high MMR player have Warlock in C tier even though he's literally top 5 winrate in lower MMR.
Holy locket winter wyvern is sooo good against legion commander. Good luck ever winning a duel. Only issue is that she will start going for you every single time.
Great video as always. On a side note, would you ever consider doing a Chen guide video? He seems to do well at the high level, and I love the idea of sieging with a huge army, but he seems extremely complicated.
I hate playing against WD and Weaver right now. WD with his Voodoo Festeration is hell to play against. My usual heroes can't burst him (Jakiro, Veno, Ench), all I can do is to slow him. Then when he's free to Fester my core, all we can do is run away, which takes away my core's ability to farm. Weaver is just so strong. At level 2, it has Shukuchi, Swarm, and freaking Geminate Attack. It's like a death sentence even to cores if they don't have escape skill. Really strong supports we got this patch.
If you blind ench into wd its good to max the heal early (or give 2-3 points) so you can outheal voodoo festeration and maledict, and you can heal your core while at it. Its really good if you want to burn wd mana but you need to be careful if wd is not alone, but generally your heal + facet walls wd burn right now, you just dont deal a lot of dmg early on lane
@11:50 i play warlock now, ive been using fatal bonds, then drop ulti and cast upheaval with shard, as it is broken!! I play tested the imps do 153 damage explosion per 1 every 2 seconds. Upheaval lasts 16 seconds. So thats 8 imps minimum dealing 1224 damage at level 8 or so (about the stage you get shard), is fkn rediculous. Also because its aoe, it will wreck in a team fight. Esp. Good if you have a hero like dark seer or enigma because they draw enemies to the centre. Even though herald 1, still can't win with this broken combo.
been playing with morp pos 4 in ancient/divine, its pretty good in fights but i havent see it in lane and how they do it.. hope u make a vid for morp support 4/5 😂😂😂
I only play oracle and undying pretty much and people CRY CRY CRY when i play oracle saying i picked a shit hero and im tossing the match, the get real quite when i save their ass like 4 times or out heavy carry, or just make someone to no damage from magic to save them from ult like Ice Maiden or Skywraith Mage
I’m lvl 30 oracle and he’s my favorite hero by far. Something extremely satisfying about that splashing false promise save, edicting someone with tick dmg, purging the guy being burned, popping greaves/rain and then “stealing” a kill with flames as the payment for keeping your whole team alive 😂
@@gagesmythe6635 yeah i get yelled at a lot for "kill stealing" yet im like if i was not here we would have lost the team fight. They are in nuking range and i dont want them getting away so yeah i last hit them from a mile away. Sorry you wanted to to get healed back up and push back out. smh XD
@@gagesmythe6635 your telling me brother, people really do sleep on oracles Nuke he hits pretty damn hard and im loving they buffed the tick rate of the heal
@@5inso344 same he’s underrated. People sleep on that disarm too haha back in the day enemies and allies would take 2x physical dmg with edict on them. I’m glad his double edged spellcasting isn’t a thing anymore. Besides maybe a poorly timed flames lol
If you want free mmr in garbage tier pubs, pick warlock, max heal and rush holy locket + force/glimmer (game dependent) into greaves. `Start with a basileus, spam heal on your carry in the lane. Buy a clarity every time you bring your courier out. The heal being aoe also means that you can use it to coerce your team into hitting towers.
I play mostly Dazzle, fairly commonly in the 5..2 positions (I also played as carry, and destroyed the enemy, in ranked, but that's niche), and I have won pretty much all my lanes; and went on to win most of my games on the back of this, often buying Aghanims. Incredible hero this patch I have found.
How is everyone undervaluing Hoodwink so hard, she's such a great solid hero. I feel like everybody's biased because of her changes with the facets. But damn it's fun, solid in lane, can gank, escape, burst from afar and can even build carry items. It's the perfect pub hero in my book!
probably bcs its about pos 5. I agree with your points but i feel its not applicable as pos 5 due to very limited farm she get. Without a good item, hoodwink cant make a decent impact
@@rmac0101 I think the meta helps as well. I'm constantly up against supports like wd/phoenix/dazzle/weaver and I'm spanking them all.. battle hunger/run them down and the solo str gain early makes them have to just take it.
@@rmac0101 definitely need a good start, or at least someone who is going to continue to be aggressive with you. Dead on about it stalling out if you lose the lane.
Dazzle is great in lower mmrs but you’re going to start hitting the point soon where people know they need to kill you first. Games will get much harder when the assassins learn target priority.
man, i hope to see you casting at TI
i really enjoyed this pub oriented video format more than your previous tierlists! i didnt mind the extra length at all
Nice tier list. Would've been a shame, if patch 7.36c got released just as the video got posted. =)
At least, they've nerfed most of the cancer heroes, like SF and such.
Love the ramble on meta and pubs
Loved the in depth analysis and pub focus of this video but what the hell man you left me in lane to die again.
Good tier list. I like that you clarify low vs high MMR and rank accordingly. I saw another high MMR player have Warlock in C tier even though he's literally top 5 winrate in lower MMR.
Post this video and then a couple hours later the 7.36C patch comes out 😆
We missed you man! I caught myself searching your channel cause i could find your videos in my homepage feed as usually
Holy locket winter wyvern is sooo good against legion commander. Good luck ever winning a duel. Only issue is that she will start going for you every single time.
I feel it so hard when you comment on clockwork. When you can do more on laning stage but your carry doesn't want to even harass the enemy offlane. 😂
The power of lich is ice armor and buying a fast pavise => solar. The increased duration on shield from the fasit is OP.
Great video as always. On a side note, would you ever consider doing a Chen guide video? He seems to do well at the high level, and I love the idea of sieging with a huge army, but he seems extremely complicated.
I hate playing against WD and Weaver right now.
WD with his Voodoo Festeration is hell to play against. My usual heroes can't burst him (Jakiro, Veno, Ench), all I can do is to slow him. Then when he's free to Fester my core, all we can do is run away, which takes away my core's ability to farm.
Weaver is just so strong. At level 2, it has Shukuchi, Swarm, and freaking Geminate Attack. It's like a death sentence even to cores if they don't have escape skill.
Really strong supports we got this patch.
If you blind ench into wd its good to max the heal early (or give 2-3 points) so you can outheal voodoo festeration and maledict, and you can heal your core while at it. Its really good if you want to burn wd mana but you need to be careful if wd is not alone, but generally your heal + facet walls wd burn right now, you just dont deal a lot of dmg early on lane
@@Najshere with this build, i assume i will leave Enchant at lvl 1 or 2? Should i go 1-1-3, or 1-2-2, or 0-2-3?
Nice haircut bro
i feel like abba for how easy he is to play should be a more common pick
Abba is easy to play until the lane matchup sucks because your carry picked like an idiot and then the game is very difficult to play.
Hardest part about abaddon past the laning stage is prioing shields for dispels - which hero to dispel. Decision making like that can decide games.
@11:50 i play warlock now, ive been using fatal bonds, then drop ulti and cast upheaval with shard, as it is broken!! I play tested the imps do 153 damage explosion per 1 every 2 seconds. Upheaval lasts 16 seconds. So thats 8 imps minimum dealing 1224 damage at level 8 or so (about the stage you get shard), is fkn rediculous. Also because its aoe, it will wreck in a team fight. Esp. Good if you have a hero like dark seer or enigma because they draw enemies to the centre. Even though herald 1, still can't win with this broken combo.
I appreciate your informational content
imagine creatinh tierlist 2 hours before new patch
im immo now aftr 7months from archon thanks
Great job on the tier list. I like this bell curve.Where the largest part of the hump is 'viable'.
I love the length. Keep the vids long😊
Bit lacking in the girth department
I've been having very high success with abaddon honestly
been playing with morp pos 4 in ancient/divine, its pretty good in fights but i havent see it in lane and how they do it.. hope u make a vid for morp support 4/5 😂😂😂
Join us Zack. Become an ET player.
Hahahaha😂! You actually just made my day, thank you!
I only play oracle and undying pretty much and people CRY CRY CRY when i play oracle saying i picked a shit hero and im tossing the match, the get real quite when i save their ass like 4 times or out heavy carry, or just make someone to no damage from magic to save them from ult like Ice Maiden or Skywraith Mage
I’m lvl 30 oracle and he’s my favorite hero by far. Something extremely satisfying about that splashing false promise save, edicting someone with tick dmg, purging the guy being burned, popping greaves/rain and then “stealing” a kill with flames as the payment for keeping your whole team alive 😂
@@gagesmythe6635 yeah i get yelled at a lot for "kill stealing" yet im like if i was not here we would have lost the team fight. They are in nuking range and i dont want them getting away so yeah i last hit them from a mile away. Sorry you wanted to to get healed back up and push back out. smh XD
@@5inso344 hahahah call it “kill securing”
@@gagesmythe6635 your telling me brother, people really do sleep on oracles Nuke he hits pretty damn hard and im loving they buffed the tick rate of the heal
@@5inso344 same he’s underrated. People sleep on that disarm too haha back in the day enemies and allies would take 2x physical dmg with edict on them. I’m glad his double edged spellcasting isn’t a thing anymore. Besides maybe a poorly timed flames lol
Sounds like it would make more sense to have a "just go play pos4" tier😂
would be great if its possible to export these schemes
Having venge not in pick ban top tier heroes blows me away tbh. Hero is bonkers.
This was awesome and informative. Thanks for the individual character walk through
Great, Valve just released 7.36c lol
He's back? !
YAY zach i love your new lovely room
silencer great EVERY game?
If you want free mmr in garbage tier pubs, pick warlock, max heal and rush holy locket + force/glimmer (game dependent) into greaves. `Start with a basileus, spam heal on your carry in the lane. Buy a clarity every time you bring your courier out. The heal being aoe also means that you can use it to coerce your team into hitting towers.
Finally! A new video!
Weaver just destroys
Got 90 proc wr pos 4-5
5200+ mmr
like the content keep it up brother
isn't DW nerfed too much to be an S tier or am I missing something?
I play mostly Dazzle, fairly commonly in the 5..2 positions (I also played as carry, and destroyed the enemy, in ranked, but that's niche), and I have won pretty much all my lanes; and went on to win most of my games on the back of this, often buying Aghanims. Incredible hero this patch I have found.
@6k I spam
Pudge
WD
PHX
VENO
Wd spam it before it got nerf, fester facet
Can't believe I watched the whole video ( twice) . Good job bro :D keep it going
is this the great zungomann?
But Hoodwink can really haraas the enemy, keep them at bay and give his carry kills early game.
maybe next time Tinker will be on the list.
aaaaand 7.36c is here😂
Am i blind? Where is nyx? Id say between C and D. (can one shot creeps now. fucks with mana pool)
Think you mentioned wanting to say something about Dazzle when you bumped him up a tier, but never got to it in the video
RIP my Dazzle... :(
How is everyone undervaluing Hoodwink so hard, she's such a great solid hero. I feel like everybody's biased because of her changes with the facets. But damn it's fun, solid in lane, can gank, escape, burst from afar and can even build carry items. It's the perfect pub hero in my book!
It has some counters tho , any spirits hero can simply cut distance and she is free food (feed)
@@rikoaya2741 every hero in game has counters, but you ussually not picking mid hero just to counter pos 5 hoodwink
@@incoma6628 off lane with saga does the same thing
probably bcs its about pos 5. I agree with your points but i feel its not applicable as pos 5 due to very limited farm she get. Without a good item, hoodwink cant make a decent impact
@@raflyarafat4882 I'll agree with that, i'd rather play her as 4, but she's just not "despair" tier as 5 in my opinion. All she needs is gleipnir
Hood has a free aether lens tho 🤣
C just came out like an hour ago 😂
Right click bane is just unfair
Patch as soon as you post
just in time for c to drop lol
7.36c is here now 😂😂
Pos 5 hood = win
Maybe its because my MMR is low, but I'm dominating with axe 4. Huge win streak.
@@rmac0101 I think the meta helps as well. I'm constantly up against supports like wd/phoenix/dazzle/weaver and I'm spanking them all.. battle hunger/run them down and the solo str gain early makes them have to just take it.
@@rmac0101 definitely need a good start, or at least someone who is going to continue to be aggressive with you. Dead on about it stalling out if you lose the lane.
Dazzle should be at least tier A. I’m on 3K player and have him 70% win rate. The only time I lose when enemy pick axe or sladar
Dazzle is great in lower mmrs but you’re going to start hitting the point soon where people know they need to kill you first. Games will get much harder when the assassins learn target priority.
Dazzle should dominate axe in lane
d tier techies? sorry mr.zquixotix but youre going into the dogshit tier of dota2 influencers, alongside jenkins. NVM YOURE REDEEMED
Can you stop saying ether instead of other.
"Bane is anether one..."
"Ether heroes."