Money Over Talent in NASCAR Cup?
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- Опубліковано 19 кві 2024
- Episode #52 of "Kenny Conversation" is VP of Floracing Michael Rigsby!
The full show will be released soon but in this clip Kenny & Michael discuss if #NASCAR is truly a meritocracy.
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I think more than half the drivers have bought their way to becoming a driver. And it shows
He's 1000% correct. Unfortunately NASCAR is all about generating money, it's a business. I personally would rather watch Super Late model racing these days.
Yes
Just got back from Orange County (CARS Tour)
Not Supers, but still a better deal than any BIG 3 Nascar) "touring" BS.
@@CarolinaKid93 watched it online.
He is exactly right plus CUP is now the WWE of racing. Just a made for TV show starring Hendrick and Gibbs !!!!!!!!!!!
Nascar has done most of it to their selves. Made it corporate racing. How many crew members,engineers, strength coaches!!! do you need? Kicked the real racers to the curb! 🧐
Or fine then absurd fines to intentionally force them out of nascar like Carl Long because his car was a few millimeters out of compliance because he couldn’t afford to pay a rocket scientist engineer to make sure it was within specs. He just used a damn hammer and some cheap wrenches form Lowe’s instead. He bought an oversized used up engine from I believe Yates 🤔 and was fined out of the sport for using it merely because he was an owner driver. How many times did Yates run that engine and nascar did absolutely nothing? 🤔🤔. I’m not sure if it was a Yates engine but if was a used engine from one of the big corporate teams and nascar never had a problem with it going through tech until an entrepreneur owner driver used it
In my industry its all about looks and marketability and not talent by far
This is 100% correct. Take Harrison & Jeb Burton for example, only there because of they’re family and $. When they ran late models locally at South Boston & Orange County they got killed by Sellers, Pulliam, and other top late model drivers every race. Talent < $ and connections now.
Berry is not lighting it up though either. He got to run the 9 and now the 4.
It's all about $$$ In NASCRAP!
Except they’re losing money. Honestly they’d make more money if they weren’t focused on money 🥴 When Bill France Jr died the product became crap plain and simple, Passed away 2007 and that’s when longtime fans started leaving in droves: I don’t think it’s a coincidence
How do you think a car gets built? They aren’t built for free.
I agree 100 percent don’t think you see this so much on dirt
Dirt is cheaper. I think you pay $35 to go to the local dirt track in Waverly, Ohio, at Atomic Speedway.
Kenny Nascar was making people buy weekend Tickets way back in 1997 when Texas started racing. Also tickets back then were $80 for about any Cup Race and $45 for a Busch Race as well and Hotels were $200 a night 2 night minimum. You still had alot of fans actually 100,000 plus every week. It went downhill in 2008 with the crappy COT car. Also you always had people with money running good in CUP Races its just with the Charter system it has gotten worse. And when fan attendance left what did you think was going to happen.
There are so many race car drivers out there racing at local Saturday night racetracks that are way better than some of those guys in NASCAR. IMO. Maybe we need an “American Idle” racing competition to find them. LOL.
For sure. Yup.
American Idol also kind of hurt music. And part of why those local racers don’t make it is they would not be able to cut it at the top level. I really believe if you are the best, it will show. Money does not buy talent.
Love wins! 🎉🎉
Awesome job!
I love going to Watkins Glen because you can watch every race including ARCA with one ticket purchase.
Weekend deals are awesome at some tracks. Indy had a good weekend deal, though Indy sucks for watching races because of how huge it is and the buildings and golf course in the way.
@@ethanweeter2732 know what you mean. Went to 05 Indy 500. Awesome experience but yeah you don’t see much.
This might be the best interview you have ever done …. Sometimes the truth hurts…
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True statements all
Sad but true
Money has ruined Nascar.
No weak drivers with money have ruined NASCAR
I remember, Back when there weren't charters and guaranteed start spots, all teams had to have hot shoes in the car to guarantee the car made the show, especially if they got stuck in day 2 knock out qualifying "round 2".
And even then, the best drivers in the world could screw up, or the crew could miss the setup.
The NASCAR fan base is perfectly capable of recognizing driver talent. Usually, the drivers who show that potential talent will eventually get an opportunity to move up to the next level in racing. A young kid who starts his driving career on a local short track, eventually might get an opportunity to move to another series such as the NASCAR Truck Series. Once in a Truck Series ride, if the kid shows talent and potential, he might get a shot at an Xfinity Series ride. With success in the Xfinity Series cars, the young driver is sure to eventually get a seat in the NASCAR Cup Series…. maybe. If they have all of the qualifications, it makes it much easier for a car owner to elect to give a young Xfinity driver a chance in a Cup Series car. If they ever get that break in their career, a Cup Series ride, the odds are stacked against them having any measured success. However, if these young up and coming drivers have sponsorship that will follow them to a new team at a new level, then that driver has a lot to be thankful for. Personally, I think that progression through all of the steps at all of the levels in racing makes for an excellent resume for a ride in the Cup Series. In NASCAR, like the other professional sports, money talks. If these young guns can arrange for their own sponsorship deals then that could be their ticket to drive in the big show. JMO
Most of the top rides go to the best drivers still.
@@ethanweeter2732 I agree. Solid, consistent performance at any level breeds success.
This is why I love what Tony did with Custer. Custer's dad is a big wig at Haas. And the Fords were already on the decline by then as well. Custer got his shot. But! Instead of watching him ruin his career and end up in an underfunded team like Tony has seen many real racers with talent have to end up doing, he bought him back to Xfinity to get some more practice. Racing, media, attitude, the way he holds himself, learning to he human, right sized, not better than anyone. Even though, they know he will be. It wasn't punishment, it was out of love and respect for Custer and his family. When he gets back to Cup, he'll tear the up.
I remember 20 years ago the announcers for a NASCAR race would say as the cars came to the green flag 40 of the fastest drivers in the world. It is no longer said because it is no longer the fastest drivers. It is the rich kids that bought there way in to NASCAR. Most are not A team drivers. I believe that is one of the reasons why it is always the same 6 drivers running in the front. And just every once in a wile a B or C drivers gets luck and runs up front because of a crash or lucky pit stop.
It does not help that the funding gap is probably huge between the bigger and smaller teams.
The 3 manufacturers are getting the the advertising they seek regardless of who are driving it's cars. They are content with the way it is.
Yep
Nascar has never been the best of the best but the rich kid thing is a lot newer. There are drivers that are good also that bring money, like a rich kid. If there wasn’t drivers with their own money, there wouldn’t be sports car racing. My first Daytona was $85 tickets with an $80 a night hotel room across from the track. My last one at a hotel near the track, was $400 a night with a 4 night minimum and $185 tickets. That was from ‘93-‘98.
Going to say, the popularity growth, like in any sport, raises prices. Supply and demand.
The amount of regular wrecks in any given event is proof of money over talent.
I don't fully agree! We've seen this several times over the years with talent from many different disciplines! Steve Kinser, Travis Pastrana ,Marcus Ambrose Nascar has a way of humbling the best of them! Timing and circumstance! Nascar is a tough sport! Ty Gibbs, money and talent! I hate really saying anything bad for it being deemed detrimental to the sport!
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I remember watching Joey L. come to Indy Gasoline Alley Quarter Midget race. Fortunately for Joey his dad sold his business to put Joey in the best equipment from a very young age. How many people could make with the same opportunities? Once you get to the highest level of any sport. Hard work has to show up. Or is racing an exception?
sprint car racing is the world of outlaws and NASCAR is the world of inlaws.
Kenny the fact is if the Charter system was gone and you had it where you could buy the parts off any supplier or make them but they had a certain thickness or spec and you would see more guys enter NASCAR and you would see more fans come back but until then you will not. If I wanted to I could take an Arca or Xfinity driver and go to Rick Hendrick and say hey I want to put this guy in the Alex Bowman car when his Contract is up here is $2 Million Dollars in a check and he would and Bowman could not do anything about it.
No, the top owners have choices. They will still put better drivers in their cars.
@@ethanweeter2732 No they wont Take Matt Kenseth for example he was let go because Eric Jones brought money from his dad to Joe Gibbs and as well as they could pay less for Eric to run the car. Its like Ethan you have lived in a hole for years. Need to wake up.
That’s why i like motorcycle racing.
This is why is love Truck’s and Xfinity.
I loved trucks when they were racing tracks under a mile, like when they were created. A much more abbreviated and exciting race, with a lot of older racers and not a stepping class.
To name a few awesome tracks, Mesa Marin, Evergreen, Flemington, South Boston, Hickory.
Busch (Xfinity) used to race some bull rings too and they were exciting as well.
Yes and no. Money is way more important nowadays compared to a few decades ago due to costs going up around the globe, as well as the sponsorships required, and also Motorsport is just generally very expensive. However there are still lots of drivers, especially in NASCAR, that have shown their talent with or without being from rich families. Ross Chastain who isn’t from one is a phenomenal driver, and Ty Gibbs who is is also a phenomenal driver.
Still loads of instances where teams take money over anything else though.
Ty Gibbs is racing for his Grandpa and is in top equipment. Ross Chastain used his Dads Company to pay for a Nascar ride in the 15 CUP Car and drove his butt off. Might want to investigate more. Kenny Wallace actually had to give money to race in CUP as well as in the xfinity series and he then quit when he could not get the money needed to run and thats when he decided to run dirt more and have fun.
@@user-vd9tg5lg2zTy’s still a phenomenal talent even for his age regardless of the equipment he has. His tenure at JGR has already been better than guys like Yeley, Jones and Suarez among many others. And I’m not bringing Chastain down at all. He’s one of my favourites and his rise through the ranks is the biggest reason he’s one of my guys.
@@JackLikesTrackhouse here is a perfect example of what will happen Ty Gibbs might win 1 or 2 races in CUP. But he will not win a championship in about 10 years his grandpa will pass and the teams will be either given to Ty or a family member and they will end up having problems. Dale Jr was a great example he won nothing in Late Models and it took Tony Eury Sr. Telling Dale Sr. to put Dale in a car and then he won but was never great. The Dillions another example who would not have been anything if not for Grandpa. Kyle Petty will tell ya it was his family name that got him where he was and his Dad and Grandpa.
@@happyjohn8256 he did but he only got the chance because he was in great equipment that his dad put together with a great crew. When he was running late models locally he did not win anything big except maybe 2 or 3 weekly shows. Once his dad put money on him with Millions of $ in it he started winning.
Ross’s family is not poor though, but they don’t have the connections of an Elliott or Earnhardt or Waltrip or Allison.
I think the 50% abour right for ratio between best drivers and financed hobbiest racers. However it is not limited to NASCAR and Indy Car and F1 both have hobby racers with money or connections.
Where is full episode?
not released yet, in the next few weeks
@@KennyWallace36 thanks Herman! You’re the man
damn right herm. wish the most talented could be in the top 3 series
Everything in business is always all about money.....And NASCAR is a business....
IMO…it’s not about the drivers…it’s about the shop talent - crew chief, engineers, builders, etc. The deep pocket teams gobble up this talent. Hence, not enough talent for 75+ cars -Xfinity & Cup.
Been that way for a while. BTW, those sports have guys on the team not based totally on merit.
Not the only sport. Every sport privilege and opportunity pay off
Money over talent....... one name Danica.
I agree completely but it goes both ways 7 time NASCAR champ Jimmy Johnson had no business stepping into a IndyCar. That was a joke and, really looked bad for NASCAR he did not belong in a IndyCar at all. It showed the world he was not talented enough to drive the car. This is coming from a fan of both racing division's. I have not miss a IndyCar race since 1967. You can't buy you way in IndyCar period.
@@wm.davidmeade5593Michael Andretti, Little Al, etc. Good drivers, but mainly got rides due to their dads, Foyt’s son.
@@ethanweeter2732 Yes this true my friend however, your statement does not hold up. Each one of those named by yourself maybe got their chance because of their last name. The difference is they all preformed at top level and, were IndyCar champion's except Foyt.
It's not all Hendricks Jr put the teams together and picks the talent yes the motors are leased from Rick
The motors are built by HMS, they are partners.
Yea especially the ones born racing will never make it that far without money my pawpaw raced against mark Martin and rusty Wallace Bennie spicer
These guys are playing both sides of the fence. They are totally correct here that NASCAR has seats filled with no talented but marketable drivers. But than these same guys will give those type of drivers attention and make them something they are not. If those type of drivers don't get the undeserved attention their markettabilty goes away. Problem fixes itself. I blame the media outlets for this problem as much as NASCAR. Fans want to see and hear the best drivers.
Rusty Wallace has a brother named Kenny. *Nascar and their tracks greed out priced all race fans, not just the dirt fans.*
Kenny Wallace why dont you contact me and we can do a video and I can explain about why NASCAR has fallen out with the Short Track racing community and what it will take to get it back and also what my home track is doing to bring fans in as well as why they have huge car counts in Mods and Compacts and all.
15 mil a year is what u need
Rigsby is a %100 right, Kenny.....I will take the top 10 dirt late model guys and the top 10 410 sprint guys, and those 20 dirt guys will beat your back 20 like a drum.
The back 20 in NASCAR don’t have the funding to compete with the top 20 usually. But you have SHR struggling and they have money.
Just think there is a guy out there that can drive the wheels off of a car but never decided to go racing. Money should not be the driving force for sloppy driver .The best I can tell NASCAR is going to go global like racing in Dubai some place like that the small tracks like Martinsville will not hold a race ever because of global events.Jeff Gordon pretty much said this .
What does it cost to put “a star athlete” in front of the fan. I believe that herein lies where baseball, hockey, football and basketball have completely different models than Automobile Racing. If you add up all the cost for one athlete (driver), you will find it costs the fan, those promoting the sport of racing, far more than stick and ball sports. Add it up, car, engine, safety, track, NASCAR costs per “star”, IMHO, are exceedingly higher than say a start baseball player. It costs far more to allow the one driver to preform his craft. For one thing, 40 some other teams playing at the same time to display the one stars talent. Auto Racing is expensive, that money to put on a show, “of the best”, is much higher that the stick and ball sports where they only need 2 teams playing at one time to display the “star talent”. I am repeating myself. Embrace what auto racing is; comparing it to stick and ball will only complicate our enjoyment of “the need for speed”. Alberta Jim
Lets be fair; Had Danica not had the sponsorship dollars following her, her time in NASCAR would have been much shorter. I still think she was great for the sport, because people either loved her, or they tuned in like she was some super villain and were wanting to watch her lose. Fans want someone to love or hate. But, I'm getting off topic. NASCAR nowadays is about being pretty and saying what you're told. NASCAR couldn't handle a young Cale Yarborough or DW today.
nascar has done it to themselves. take me to a local track for late models & street stocks. Then i will watch real racing!
Grampa #3
NASCAR and f1 has the same problem in f1 you would have to be a rich person who races f1 and have a rich background too and NASCAR is almost like that in a way like talent almost doesn't mean anything anymore and I hate it thank goodness we got Ross Chastain he didn't come from money or a famous last name he had fight and earn his way to the top and I get that it's a business but still enjoy watching NASCAR and f1 and I guess this is why people would rather see dirt racing than NASCAR and if NASCAR would just quit acting greedy and have more drivers with lots of talent than money people might start watching it again.😊
Brandon Jones 9.
Throw back survival.
Herms nephew?
Of course it's money over talent. 23 car has all the high dollar sponsors, none of the natural talent
Just because a driver is a great dirt driver doesn't mean he'll be a great driver in NASCAR.
Cant you make this argument about all driver are they that good or can they just afford the best equipment
One of the most obvious is Danica Patrick.
Money makes the world go round,and NASCAR is a business in business to make money,first and foremost,and that's the way it should be.Greed sucks,but wealth spread around is Capitalism at it's best.
100% it’s sad how greedy NASCAR has gotten. THEY HAVE PROCED OUT THE MIDDLE CLASS from going to races. I live in Chicago and can’t afford a ticket to the MF street race. A street race!!!!
As far as drivers, look at the Dillon brothers? Everyone knows how they got their seats. They are the down fall of RCR and are absolutely horrible drivers. Need people with talent in those cars. Should be up to the teams to get sponsors, not drivers!
When Jimmy came in and won five in a row... and never got the credit... I mean he won five Championships in a row and people said... crickets. What happened?
And Jimmie was not from a wealthy family.
F1 has the same problem
Jimmy Owen's is better than Bobby Pierce though, ya hes getting older and doesn't run like he used to but hes still usually top 5 now
Pierce is the son of a driver, though I have seen their place and they are not as wealthy as some of the bigger teams. His family is in Oakwood, Illinois, not far from Danville, Illinois, and the Indiana State line is not far away.
And that is one of the biggest things wrong with nascar.
Huge can of worms and Michael is 100% correct. This is what the teams are complaining about!Relying on corporations (in recent years) is a death knell. Almost all of them are foreign based which explains the severe lack of patriotism ON THE CARS and in the sport. There’s tons more that could be said about this but everyone (fans) already know it.
Okay, we had foreign makes in the sport in the 50s. And not every sponsor or owner was American.
You really shouldn't take your video cover photos while at the Proctologist.
Not the first time something happened while somebody had something up their butt.
It's better than F-1 thanks very expensive and if you start on the poll you'll most likely win. That's why I refer to it as FOLLOW ME ONE racing and ther so tutty fruity . More people changing tires than needed that's huge cost just to change 4 tires. Stupid!!
He is 100 percent right
F you have enough talent the money will come. If you have enough money you just another rich guy
NASCAR racing is way more expensive than any other sport and I don't see any way out of it except to go back to the junkyard days
All this Crap about Toyota and NASCAR. Yet Chevrolet keeps winning 🇺🇸🏁. Sure miss when you ran Big Blocks in Steel. Great Memories. Like Richard Petty driving a 68 Road Runner at Darlington.
Yup. Agree. That's why it's not as interesting as it used to be.
Crew chiefs make drivers better than they are
Race and gender have been chosen over talent...why not money...
The chase ruined nascar way before money did. THE chase is why they have to whore for money now instead of it pouring in.
The 2008 recession did not help.
The whole rich kid thing is why I quit supporting & watching nascar in 2015 after already being fed up for over 5yrs. It has only gotten worse & worse since then. If Kyle Larson was 15yrs younger, he doesn't make it to nascar today
Deegan in xfinity says all you need to know. Clements deserves a better ride than running out his shop behind the house
The cars are too easy to drive and there’s not much incentive to win
This being just about "money", just isn't right! It should go back to being about family connections. Dads getting their sons driving, & brothers getting their brothers driving. . . . wiat, . . oops. 😯
This is exactly why i don't watch nascar anymore ide rather watch 20 good drivers than 20 drivers that bought there ride
I think it must not take talent or skill to be a Nascar driver.
Austin Dillion is a key example, such a bum
DEI
They shut down after 2009 pal
@@JackLikesTrackhouse diversity equity and inclusion pal
Put a terrible driver in a decent car and he has a chance.
This whole idea that nascar is the top level of Motorsports is ridiculous!! It’s the real talented guys that race in the top level of a dirt late model/sprint car/USMTS Modified are the best!!! This garbage on Sunday is a stupid looking prototype shitbox spoiled country club rich kids playing race car driver that happens to be on tv on Sunday…
BS, u need to work hard every week to stay in the sport so …
I don't watch it anymore