Your best, most professional presentation yet! I've been using your Trango half-line system pretty much since you introduced it. Light weight, safe, QUIET, compact, easy. While I've historically upgraded to each improvement in the half-line system, I'm convinced that you guys have come up with the optimal configuration. You can be proud of the impact you've had on the hunting community.
Hey thanks for the videos they are great. I just wanted to get your opinion /thoughts. I one stick with 40ft of 9mm canyon elite rope and my ascend/repel rope is my tether when I reach hunting height. There are a few trees I hunt that don’t have limbs. My thought was that similar to the false hitch I would leave para cord tied around the main trunk of the tree with a carabiner attached to it then I would have my preset loop through the carabiner. When I go out to hunt I Attach my climbing rope to the preset loop and pull it through, then from the opposite side of the tree (similar to when you crotch in) you set a girth hitch on the main trunk of the tree just like when you set a false crotch at height with a pole and tether. Do you think this would work and be safe? I haven’t had a chance to test it out yet. Thanks.
Love this system! Since switching over to this I have been hammering out presets and climbing trees like I never have before. I was very efficient with sticks but this has made me even more efficient and to be honest safer. Awesome video guys!
I’ve been using a climber for years and just ordered my first saddle. I have been doing lots of research to decide how I want to get up and down a tree and I really hate the idea of carrying/managing sticks especially the work to descend in the dark. I can’t believe anyone uses sticks when this method is available. I will be ordering the half line kit shortly. Fantastic video. Thank you
Scott I absolutely love my half line setup. Thank you for this video. Quick question... I was always taught when I repelled that the opening of your d-ring/carabiner that is attached to your harness/saddle should be facing you as if you were able to hook your lips like a fish if that makes any sense. I see your d-ring opening is facing the tree that is attached to the Tango. I know you have more experience than most so my question is does that matter?
Great videos. I've got some 10.5mm platinum rope. Will that work with the Trango Vergo alright? I see the range printed on the vergo is 8.9-10.7, so I assume it will, but want to make sure I wont run into issues in the tree. Thanks!
I know you want to sell your ropes, but if you could show us how to make your girth hitch and loop ends for those of us who already have ropes, that would be very helpful.
I started using the SRT system last year after finding a video of yours and I’ve never looked back! I will be adding the 8mm hitch cord this year. I don’t know if that’s new to the setup or if I just looked over it previously but this setup is money for us long walkers!
Love the system . Do you happen to have a video which shows how you Created the orange attachments on both ends of your climbing rope along with the fixed eye? for those of us that already have a climbing rope and want to modify it ?
I'm guessing they're spliced in. But if this helps, I made a guerilla half line set up by tying off a short length of throw line to one of the inside knot lines of a figure eight loop before I dressed it up to use as the girth hitch loop. It functions exactly like the connection point on their loop shown here.
How would something like this work on a pine tree? Im in florida, the pines dont have alot of solid branches, would the girth hitch hold on the tree trunk without slipping down. Thanks
@@deathmine474 that’s the difference In girth hitching the trunk and searching for a viable limb . Yes you can girth hitch the trunk , just set it good and make sure it’s around trunk and not hung up on anything else. You can also use a tube cambium saver to keep pine pitch at bay .
So could you not use 2 hand ascenders? Like Be hooked in to one with your bridge and the other one to your foot. Bc they go up so easy? Just asking because I’m not sure. In my head seamsime it be easier.
You could but definitely to busy and not needed. Honestly this is so easy to do even though sometimes it doesn’t come across that way . When guys show up at workshops i do , it’s the first thing that comes out of their mouths, how safe and how easy it is to
@@jackemupgarage2360 Gri Gri + is the most newbie user friendly devise with the panic feature release system. If you accidentally pull the release brake to hard it will auto lock so not to drop you . Teaches you to ease into the release. The Vergo will give you the same smooth release minus the panic feature.
@@NYSaddleHunter I've got shoulder injury and I was wondering if I used a quality light weight 6ft--26ft extension pole to set my rope over a crotch or hitch climbing with your safety line climbing rope / tether / half line rope system is set around trunk of tree or over crotch with extension pole ?
Scott I'm from Michigan got my 40 ft. Of canyon elite from Eastern woods outdoors for one sticking. It has a small sewen eye at one end for just fitting a quick ling thru and a small loop at the other end for pulling gear up. My question is will I be able to thread my rope thru that quick link like you do your bigger loop ???
If you’re trying to use it like the half-line you’ll have trouble installing it. If you don’t hunt that high you can thread it by hand , then girth hitch it . Retrieval should be relatively easy.
Yes it is . I’m left handed. But you are right about the configuration. Typically Right handed people will use a left handed hand ascender. I’ll use either equally. It’s more about technique than dominant arm strength.
So if the limb I'm attached to is higher than the best hunting height, making the angle of the rope too steep I assume you would switch to your tether?
Yes and no. If your comfortable at that angle and feel your rope is not interfering with drawing your bow or shooting then your fine. Is the 45 degree angle even more comfortable , yes ! I would practice both ways so if your ever in that situation you can pull it off . When the rope angle is 90 degrees or less. I tend to keep it tight to my body , almost leaning into it . This way it never interferes with shooting . If I know I have to log long hrs before possible getting a shot Short tether at 45 degrees all day 👍
Sure ! It’s actually the opposite of what you’d think it would be. Your dominant hand is the one you tend slack with not the one on the handle of the hand ascender. All my right handed buddies use a left hand ascender . Yes I am left handed but it makes no difference for me I’m ambidextrous. With tree work I would cut left or right handed equally . The nice thing about the CT Hand ascender is that you can spin it 180 degrees and use it right or left handed. The best way to choose is you want the action facing you and the micro pulley away from you Whatever hand you have better dexterity in using your thumb to open and close the action is the side you should choose . Hope this helps.
I'm a fellow upstater. Great video. You guys came a long way. I've been saddle hunting for yrs over 9. Your the only guy that show a legit Blake's hitch technique. I use to be an arborist back in the 80s this is a slick set up. Happy and safe hunting everyone.,
@@brianscustomcanvas1911 thanks bud. I started my career in 86 in tree care . To say climbing trees is in my blood is an understatement . Hope to cross paths one day Brian 🦌
@@NYSaddleHunter Most definitely 😁 would enjoy the company of fellow hunters and exchange tech tips and past memories whether I travel to you or if you are in the lake George Adirondack park area before this hunting season. And pick up gear personally 😁
Howdy, I've always loved your guys content and learned a lot from it. Couple safety questions: - Wouldn't it be ideal to be tethered into the ascender? As is, if your belay device + knut hitch fail you aren't connected to the ascender at all. - Is there a risk that, if something goes wrong, someone will "instinctively grab" the rope in front of them, and thus depress the knut hitch, and if the belay device was engaged for rappelling have quite a rapid fall? - Does that belay device not need the brake line to be held by a hand? To assist with that, some similar systems have like an autoblock hitch (or a progress capture device like a micro traxion) down by a leg loop to help hold the brake line in case the person's hand is not where it should be. Your system does seem quite safe, but these ideas come to my mind looking at it and hoping for another 1/2 or full point of redundancy.
Hey Stephen, I feel this system has just enough redundancy in it . Having said that this isn’t something you would buy and run out into the woods and hunt without having practiced and become efficient with . I don’t see where you could add additional redundancy without it hindering the smoothness of the ascent or descent . Could you depress both mechanical brake and hitch cord simultaneously to a rapid descent . Yes , but as I said 1) you need to understand each piece of the system and its use 2 ) you need to practice it to become comfortable with it. And honestly this take about 2 to 3 descents . This device pays out smoothly when activating the brake. Not an all or nothing like some other devices. If you were looking for something more I’d say look into a Gri Gri + it has a panic feature built into the brake in that if you pull to hard it will lock. I would also advise to use the hitch cord as well . Per manufacturer’s request that they are not a hands free device.
@@812media9 Custome Gear Modifications. Cobra ! If you want it exact as the video Tell Jerry just like Scott’s You tell him what waist and Camo www.customgearmodifications.com/
I’m a huge single panel advocate. I’ve used doubles in the past but could never get my comfort level dialed in to where I’m not fidgeting. Since you already have a saddle , I would suggest you try it with rope climbing and see how it works for you .
From a preset in place. Is it difficult to perform the half line girth hitch on thick barked, pine trees? does it have a problem feeding and sinching?? Also wondering your opinion on my buddy leaving his main climbing rope in the tree overnight to hunt the next morning. My worry for him is if a critter chews some of it in the night? Anyway are you for leaving it up for the morning hunt or against it? Might need to add he leaves it because he one sticks and never used presets
@@dylanhixenbaugh4575 sorry didn’t read my comment. But yea. I’m sure he does it to just save time from having to pick up his rope after each transfer. So I don’t feel like he’ll do anything special to get the rope in and out.
@@markmurrell1894 yes it will work with Madrock or Gri Gri + The Vergo is much smoother. It will break under a load just not extreme load. But it easily broken by adding the CT Quickroll on and with one ascent the Vergo or in your case Madrock will easily tend it up so you can resume descent. With practice you can manage both rope and mechanical hitch simultaneously. And even keep off hand on rope lower for added friction if you so choose .
@@markmurrell1894 Yes it will work with a Madrock. There’s a way to manage both systems with one hand on the Vergo . It might also work with a Madrock where you can depress the brake while tending the hitch cord simultaneously. It takes a little practice but doable . If you drop hard into the hitch cord it can be tough to release. All you would have to do is reattach the CT Quick roll and pump back up a few inches so your Madrock will tend the hitch cord and it will release again
Great setup and smart tips. Personally here in Mississippi I love hitch climbing SRT, I need no mechanical gadgets, no preset cords, nor a throw ball. But I do use a 20 ft pole, two pre-tied ascender/descender hitches, one with a footloop, the other attached to my bridge, Munter hitch rappelling. I love using this setup for new areas. The WMA I often hunt is 30,000 acres of mature oaks and some food plots, so there are lots of new areas to explore. if I want I can leave a preset cord for DSRT or SRT. Scouting is of course a good strategy, but you can spook out a big buck if hou wander around his sanctuary too much, so I map scout then hunt . When I 2TC, my bottom tether has a footloop and a hitch for a redundant safety bridge, top tether has three hitches - footloop, thigh loop and main bridge- very safe
watching you fellows for a couple years. stoked to see y'all getting this together.
Thankyou for your support much appreciated !!!
Your best, most professional presentation yet!
I've been using your Trango half-line system pretty much since you introduced it. Light weight, safe, QUIET, compact, easy. While I've historically upgraded to each improvement in the half-line system, I'm convinced that you guys have come up with the optimal configuration. You can be proud of the impact you've had on the hunting community.
Thanks buddy appreciate that !
Hey thanks for the videos they are great. I just wanted to get your opinion /thoughts. I one stick with 40ft of 9mm canyon elite rope and my ascend/repel rope is my tether when I reach hunting height. There are a few trees I hunt that don’t have limbs. My thought was that similar to the false hitch I would leave para cord tied around the main trunk of the tree with a carabiner attached to it then I would have my preset loop through the carabiner. When I go out to hunt I Attach my climbing rope to the preset loop and pull it through, then from the opposite side of the tree (similar to when you crotch in) you set a girth hitch on the main trunk of the tree just like when you set a false crotch at height with a pole and tether. Do you think this would work and be safe? I haven’t had a chance to test it out yet. Thanks.
Love this system! Since switching over to this I have been hammering out presets and climbing trees like I never have before. I was very efficient with sticks but this has made me even more efficient and to be honest safer. Awesome video guys!
Thanks dude !👍
I have your mobile hunting system with the f4 device and I love it. Very interested in this, might upgrade this season.
Outstanding job as usual fellas!!!!!
Awesome job as always. Scott and Joe you guys are amazing.
👍
I’ve been using a climber for years and just ordered my first saddle. I have been doing lots of research to decide how I want to get up and down a tree and I really hate the idea of carrying/managing sticks especially the work to descend in the dark. I can’t believe anyone uses sticks when this method is available. I will be ordering the half line kit shortly. Fantastic video. Thank you
I use your hunter safety system with the F4, & after a season with it- can't see ever hunting without it. Thanks for all you do!
The S.M.A.R.T. One Sticking (NO SLACK) Method would pair well with Halfline System.
Scott I absolutely love my half line setup. Thank you for this video. Quick question... I was always taught when I repelled that the opening of your d-ring/carabiner that is attached to your harness/saddle should be facing you as if you were able to hook your lips like a fish if that makes any sense. I see your d-ring opening is facing the tree that is attached to the Tango. I know you have more experience than most so my question is does that matter?
Great videos. I've got some 10.5mm platinum rope. Will that work with the Trango Vergo alright? I see the range printed on the vergo is 8.9-10.7, so I assume it will, but want to make sure I wont run into issues in the tree. Thanks!
Great video.
The "140in" though. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He’s got a 140 that went MIA 🤫
I know you want to sell your ropes, but if you could show us how to make your girth hitch and loop ends for those of us who already have ropes, that would be very helpful.
You can tie a figure 8, and run a fairly stiff but flexible copper wire along the loop and tape it in to maintain the open loop
Or tie on a product called quickie notch and it will slide well
My dad would have loved this channel!
I’m so proud of you guys! ❤️🙏🏻🦌
Thankyou Michelle, that means a lot. !!!
I love climbing with the Half line climbing system. Thanks for all the great content
Scott it looks awesome I can’t wait to try it down here in Florida!👍
I started using the SRT system last year after finding a video of yours and I’ve never looked back! I will be adding the 8mm hitch cord this year. I don’t know if that’s new to the setup or if I just looked over it previously but this setup is money for us long walkers!
Yes new to the Half-line .
Love the system . Do you happen to have a video which shows how you
Created the orange attachments on both ends of your climbing rope along with the fixed eye? for those of us that already have a climbing rope and want to modify it ?
I'm guessing they're spliced in.
But if this helps, I made a guerilla half line set up by tying off a short length of throw line to one of the inside knot lines of a figure eight loop before I dressed it up to use as the girth hitch loop.
It functions exactly like the connection point on their loop shown here.
From the Palmetto state…Great stuff boys! 🤙🏼 looking forward to losing my the sticks.
Great Video - do you have a video for the two-tether method that Joe talks about in the videos?
How would something like this work on a pine tree? Im in florida, the pines dont have alot of solid branches, would the girth hitch hold on the tree trunk without slipping down. Thanks
@@deathmine474 that’s the difference In girth hitching the trunk and searching for a viable limb . Yes you can girth hitch the trunk , just set it good and make sure it’s around trunk and not hung up on anything else. You can also use a tube cambium saver to keep pine pitch at bay .
This is a nice quality video. Excellent job guys! I'll be trying this method for sure.
Thankyou !
So could you not use 2 hand ascenders? Like Be hooked in to one with your bridge and the other one to your foot. Bc they go up so easy? Just asking because I’m not sure. In my head seamsime it be easier.
You could but definitely to busy and not needed. Honestly this is so easy to do even though sometimes it doesn’t come across that way . When guys show up at workshops i do , it’s the first thing that comes out of their mouths, how safe and how easy it is to
Is that ct hand ascender that your using work on a 9m civ rope? Everything I've read, its only for 10-13, thanks
@@aaronmeeks1155 it definitely does 👍. 8- 13 mm
Thanks that helps @NYSaddleHunter
What belay device would you recommend for a newbie ?
@@jackemupgarage2360 Gri Gri + is the most newbie user friendly devise with the panic feature release system. If you accidentally pull the release brake to hard it will auto lock so not to drop you .
Teaches you to ease into the release. The Vergo will give you the same smooth release minus the panic feature.
How do you tie the loop in your rope to girth hitch?
Why cant u use foot stirrup in this system and couldn't you just use the hitches without the mechanical gizmos ?
Can't u use foot stirrup as footloop when using halfline system ?
Can you write the names of the items to make this system please
@@ainsleyfoleksfolkes2523
www.newyorksaddlehunter.com/. Everything is listed on my website
Why cant you wrap rope around foot like loop and stand up and hold rope at main linecwirh 2 hands
@@Crayz919 you can if that’s your game
@@NYSaddleHunter I've got shoulder injury and I was wondering if I used a quality light weight 6ft--26ft extension pole to set my rope over a crotch or hitch climbing with your safety line climbing rope / tether / half line rope system is set around trunk of tree or over crotch with extension pole ?
Scott I'm from Michigan got my 40 ft. Of canyon elite from Eastern woods outdoors for one sticking. It has a small sewen eye at one end for just fitting a quick ling thru and a small loop at the other end for pulling gear up. My question is will I be able to thread my rope thru that quick link like you do your bigger loop ???
If you’re trying to use it like the half-line you’ll have trouble installing it. If you don’t hunt that high you can thread it by hand , then girth hitch it . Retrieval should be relatively easy.
That is a Left-Hand ascender and you are Right Handed correct? Thank you, love the channel!
Yes it is . I’m left handed.
But you are right about the configuration. Typically Right handed people will use a left handed hand ascender. I’ll use either equally. It’s more about technique than dominant arm strength.
So if the limb I'm attached to is higher than the best hunting height, making the angle of the rope too steep I assume you would switch to your tether?
Yes and no. If your comfortable at that angle and feel your rope is not interfering with drawing your bow or shooting then your fine. Is the 45 degree angle even more comfortable , yes !
I would practice both ways so if your ever in that situation you can pull it off . When the rope angle is 90 degrees or less. I tend to keep it tight to my body , almost leaning into it . This way it never interferes with shooting .
If I know I have to log long hrs before possible getting a shot
Short tether at 45 degrees all day 👍
Can you talk about handedness in this setup? Is that a left handed ascender you're using? What is your dominant hand?
Sure ! It’s actually the opposite of what you’d think it would be. Your dominant hand is the one you tend slack with not the one on the handle of the hand ascender. All my right handed buddies use a left hand ascender . Yes I am left handed but it makes no difference for me I’m ambidextrous. With tree work I would cut left or right handed equally . The nice thing about the CT Hand ascender is that you can spin it 180 degrees and use it right or left handed. The best way to choose is you want the action facing you and the micro pulley away from you
Whatever hand you have better dexterity in using your thumb to open and close the action is the side you should choose . Hope this helps.
I'm a fellow upstater. Great video. You guys came a long way. I've been saddle hunting for yrs over 9. Your the only guy that show a legit Blake's hitch technique. I use to be an arborist back in the 80s this is a slick set up. Happy and safe hunting everyone.,
@@brianscustomcanvas1911 thanks bud. I started my career in 86 in tree care . To say climbing trees is in my blood is an understatement .
Hope to cross paths one day Brian 🦌
@@NYSaddleHunter Most definitely 😁 would enjoy the company of fellow hunters and exchange tech tips and past memories whether I travel to you or if you are in the lake George Adirondack park area before this hunting season. And pick up gear personally 😁
What are you using for the two tether climbing system for your feet?
@@lucasg4170 s custom made stirrup. I also have a double stirrup connected by webbing that works really good .
@@NYSaddleHunter any idea where something like that could be found online? Been searching around but can find anything
@@lucasg4170 CGM
www.customgearmodifications.com/
Reach out to Jerry tell him what you’re looking for . This is also his go to
Thanks!
Howdy, I've always loved your guys content and learned a lot from it. Couple safety questions:
- Wouldn't it be ideal to be tethered into the ascender? As is, if your belay device + knut hitch fail you aren't connected to the ascender at all.
- Is there a risk that, if something goes wrong, someone will "instinctively grab" the rope in front of them, and thus depress the knut hitch, and if the belay device was engaged for rappelling have quite a rapid fall?
- Does that belay device not need the brake line to be held by a hand? To assist with that, some similar systems have like an autoblock hitch (or a progress capture device like a micro traxion) down by a leg loop to help hold the brake line in case the person's hand is not where it should be.
Your system does seem quite safe, but these ideas come to my mind looking at it and hoping for another 1/2 or full point of redundancy.
Hey Stephen, I feel this system has just enough redundancy in it . Having said that this isn’t something you would buy and run out into the woods and hunt without having practiced and become efficient with . I don’t see where you could add additional redundancy without it hindering the smoothness of the ascent or descent . Could you depress both mechanical brake and hitch cord simultaneously to a rapid descent . Yes , but as I said 1) you need to understand each piece of the system and its use
2 ) you need to practice it to become comfortable with it.
And honestly this take about 2 to 3 descents . This device pays out smoothly when activating the brake. Not an all or nothing like some other devices. If you were looking for something more I’d say look into a Gri Gri + it has a panic feature built into the brake in that if you pull to hard it will lock. I would also advise to use the hitch cord as well . Per manufacturer’s request that they are not a hands free device.
@@NYSaddleHunter Ok, yes it does seem to be very safe. Really seems like a great system, thank you for the very good points and info.
Which saddle are you using in this video?
@@812media9 Custome Gear Modifications. Cobra ! If you want it exact as the video
Tell Jerry just like Scott’s
You tell him what waist and Camo www.customgearmodifications.com/
@@NYSaddleHunter thank you for the reply. I currently use a 2 panel saddle, can a 2 panel still work comfortably climbing with this system?
I’m a huge single panel advocate. I’ve used doubles in the past but could never get my comfort level dialed in to where I’m not fidgeting.
Since you already have a saddle , I would suggest you try it with rope climbing and see how it works for you .
Woooooo let’s goooooo.
Will you be at Huntsock in Massachusetts?
@@79jeep79 not this yr. Definitely next yr
Practicing mine this summer, getting ready
@@wasntmetoo583 👍👍👍
From a preset in place. Is it difficult to perform the half line girth hitch on thick barked, pine trees? does it have a problem feeding and sinching??
Also wondering your opinion on my buddy leaving his main climbing rope in the tree overnight to hunt the next morning. My worry for him is if a critter chews some of it in the night? Anyway are you for leaving it up for the morning hunt or against it? Might need to add he leaves it because he one sticks and never used presets
My opinion is that’s a slim chance for one night , but a risk nonetheless, would be very simple to leave a false crotch or a floating anchor tho
@@dylanhixenbaugh4575 didn’t think about that. But bro at that point just keep the preset up. Ya know ?
@@deerfishing1 well you said he doesn’t use presets , so I assumed he was one sticking a tree without a crotch or no crotch at his desired height
@@dylanhixenbaugh4575 sorry didn’t read my comment. But yea. I’m sure he does it to just save time from having to pick up his rope after each transfer. So I don’t feel like he’ll do anything special to get the rope in and out.
Can that backup on the mechanical be released easily while under load? Would it work ok with a madrock? I already have one
@@markmurrell1894 yes it will work with Madrock or Gri Gri +
The Vergo is much smoother. It will break under a load just not extreme load. But it easily broken by adding the CT Quickroll on and with one ascent the Vergo or in your case Madrock will easily tend it up so you can resume descent. With practice you can manage both rope and mechanical hitch simultaneously. And even keep off hand on rope lower for added friction if you so choose .
@@NYSaddleHunterjust placed my order for the hand ascender, foot loop, and cord. Thank you for your help!
@@markmurrell1894 Yes it will work with a Madrock.
There’s a way to manage both systems with one hand on the Vergo . It might also work with a Madrock where you can depress the brake while tending the hitch cord simultaneously. It takes a little practice but doable .
If you drop hard into the hitch cord it can be tough to release.
All you would have to do is reattach the CT Quick roll and pump back up a few inches so your Madrock will tend the hitch cord and it will release again
@@markmurrell1894 Your Welcome 👍. Thanks for your business !!!
will this work with a jx3?
Yes it will 👍
Can I trade in my f4 8mm system for the new one 🤣🤣
Since I’ve upgraded the system, I’m no longer using 8mm rope or F4 anymore. We can do something for you !
Since I’ve upgraded the system, I’m no longer using 8mm rope or F4 anymore. We can do something for you !
Great setup and smart tips. Personally here in Mississippi I love hitch climbing SRT, I need no mechanical gadgets, no preset cords, nor a throw ball. But I do use a 20 ft pole, two pre-tied ascender/descender hitches, one with a footloop, the other attached to my bridge, Munter hitch rappelling. I love using this setup for new areas. The WMA I often hunt is 30,000 acres of mature oaks and some food plots, so there are lots of new areas to explore. if I want I can leave a preset cord for DSRT or SRT. Scouting is of course a good strategy, but you can spook out a big buck if hou wander around his sanctuary too much, so I map scout then hunt . When I 2TC, my bottom tether has a footloop and a hitch for a redundant safety bridge, top tether has three hitches - footloop, thigh loop and main bridge- very safe
Kenneth you have any pictures or video of your setup?
U must watch J.R.B. climbing
@@Crayz919 of course