Street Fighter V / 5 - How To Use A Charge Character Tutorial

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  • @Hemlocke3
    @Hemlocke3 8 років тому +12

    This was quite helpful. I've seen combo videos for Bison where they briefly explain before saying basically "If you don't get it, sell your game". I've never been good with charge characters, but I told myself that I'd pick up Bison no matter what people say about him. This should be incredibly helpful.

    • @aei.u4383
      @aei.u4383 5 років тому

      Fast forward two years and Bison is a good character

  • @baddyyboyy
    @baddyyboyy 6 років тому +17

    Amazing guide, i could never understand how players got charge moves out so quick. Thanks man

  • @moralboundaries1
    @moralboundaries1 8 років тому +31

    charge characters feel a bit less scary now, thanks man!

  • @chuckmangione161
    @chuckmangione161 7 років тому +161

    Thanks Vesper, my Ken is so much better now!

    • @notCheckerz
      @notCheckerz 6 років тому +14

      Agreed! My Zangief has improved greatly as well! XD

    • @qwertzuiop3206
      @qwertzuiop3206 5 років тому +5

      @@Jason-ip6wq no u

    • @advcrim77
      @advcrim77 4 роки тому +4

      Im a gill beast now

    • @Heihachiwan
      @Heihachiwan 4 роки тому +3

      Are any of the characters u guys use are even charge characters?

    • @oggolbat7932
      @oggolbat7932 4 роки тому +8

      @@Heihachiwan that's the joke xD

  • @RetroWrathX13B
    @RetroWrathX13B 5 років тому +38

    Me halfway through: *brain click* wait, as urien, jump in, down heavy into head butt, but hold back while pressing up to buffer chariot
    Thanks, as a Kage/necalli/akuma main, this charging shit is weird. I would’ve like Urien for the demos but he wasn’t out at the time

    • @umutyildirim9928
      @umutyildirim9928 5 років тому

      Kage, Necalli and Akuma so you like evil characters? And I think you would play Ken if he had Violent Ken version in the game.

    • @RetroWrathX13B
      @RetroWrathX13B 5 років тому

      Umut Yildirim coincidental. I picked the game up because of necalli’s feral, rage SSJ3 style. Akuma because I liked his combo potential and air fireballs. Kage because of brutal, 0 finesse style, axe kick(loved it since sf4 despite never playing it), and the raging demon

    • @RetroWrathX13B
      @RetroWrathX13B 5 років тому

      Now I want nostalgia Kage

    • @umutyildirim9928
      @umutyildirim9928 5 років тому

      @@RetroWrathX13B Wow 🤔

    • @aei.u4383
      @aei.u4383 5 років тому +1

      Felt weird for me too when I first started charge characters

  • @platanutra8430
    @platanutra8430 Рік тому +1

    just started sf6 world tour mode and learned the existence of charge attacks, thank you so much for uploading this!

  • @pepi560
    @pepi560 7 років тому +7

    holy balls the v trigger charge alteration for mibson is a lifesaver!!! thanks for including it really helpful!

  • @shalomyehuda
    @shalomyehuda Рік тому +1

    thank you man you saved me I started to today to play and I got crazy I need to fall back so much to charge attack and now I know how to use it efficient very well!

  • @Krodellicious
    @Krodellicious 6 років тому +16

    Thx for the info man, i was really struggling with uriens charge moves

  • @Vexdon
    @Vexdon Рік тому

    This video helped me alot with charge input timing in general. I did want to pick up Guile in SF6 but I was really bad at the timing and didn't want to be obvious when I was charging my inputs.

  • @B4dr4bbit
    @B4dr4bbit Рік тому +1

    This has made things a little clearer thanks

  • @Sem-ifinalist
    @Sem-ifinalist 5 років тому +4

    Thanks for posting this, might be old but still is helpful to have around for anyone who wants to pick up or start maining a charge

  • @Irritant1000
    @Irritant1000 8 років тому +59

    Im starting to hate my hands or brains, i just cant seem to get one out clean .

    • @B.CREAT1
      @B.CREAT1 5 років тому +10

      Same here, I love H.HONDA or BISON, but my brain and inputs for doing this stuff into a combo it seems so hard. But it's all effort and putting in the time.

    • @namedrop_6092
      @namedrop_6092 4 роки тому +3

      BJORNtobeWILD my brain shuts down anytime i try to flash chop to elbow with alex

    • @Thelowestofthelowtiers
      @Thelowestofthelowtiers 4 роки тому

      I don't play SFV,but I do play MvC2 and its frustrating trying to learn Hulk Combos since the only reliable way to land his supers is to land a gamma charge.Even then,you can't nessicarly charge while in the air at times.

    • @donk5058
      @donk5058 4 роки тому

      Can you charge yet tho

    • @PrinceKai242
      @PrinceKai242 3 роки тому

      @@donk5058 I Cant charger can you help?

  • @PlasticAddict301
    @PlasticAddict301 4 роки тому +2

    Knowing that you can charge up-back or down-back is so goddamn useful, I really wish they emphasized it more

    • @CameronKujo
      @CameronKujo 3 роки тому

      I learned because of the Guile turtles online

  • @Seyton
    @Seyton Рік тому

    Thanks so much Vesper and Mir for recommending this video, it really helped me understand charge characters a lot. Excited to try this stuff for myself and find a charge character I like.

  • @zincalloy87
    @zincalloy87 7 років тому +9

    This is awesome, thank you. I'm playing on a DS4 and I can't even clear Bison's first trial vol 1. I need to practice this so badly

  • @kerthangallagher
    @kerthangallagher 4 роки тому

    Thanks Vesper for helping me out on how to play as a character who has charge moves in general fighting games

  • @GLL98
    @GLL98 Рік тому +1

    Gonna try to pick up Guile on SF6. Thanks for the tutorial

  • @craiggamble4431
    @craiggamble4431 Рік тому

    I’d not played street fight in a long while. I got it the other day to play with the kids. I was playing Chun Li doing bird kick, when I noticed if i combo’ed into it the charge time was different. You’ve just explained why.

  • @benmathews212
    @benmathews212 5 років тому +3

    I'm getting SFV soon and I wanted to main bison. This is extremely helpful. Thank you

  • @sunesnigel
    @sunesnigel 3 роки тому

    Thank you! I've been wondering about diagonal directions and how all this works.

  • @BlackWaterJesus
    @BlackWaterJesus 7 років тому

    Yooooo dude this totally changed the ways I want to play Street Fighter and any other games with "charge" based characters thank you man! You got a sub from me!

  • @rrvvdd1416
    @rrvvdd1416 7 років тому +1

    Thank you so much dude i just picked up the game and bought urien and i didnt know how to do charge till now

  • @punkneverdie5590
    @punkneverdie5590 7 років тому +24

    I mean, NuckleDu (as of right now the best Guile probably) uses the Ps4 pad. I think the joypad vs arcade stick argument should die already, with enough practice it doesn't make a difference what anyone uses.

    • @CameronKujo
      @CameronKujo 5 років тому

      Fusion
      I believe it should die aswell. Mostly because some pros change it up differently dependent on the character, balrog being played mostly on pad

    • @no_nameyouknow
      @no_nameyouknow 4 роки тому

      It's not really an argument and never was with anyone with a brain. There are strengths to each, and faults to each.

    • @allansqr1
      @allansqr1 4 роки тому

      lol i dont know any of this charge or 720 shit, i play PC KEYBOARD

  • @MetalCooking666
    @MetalCooking666 2 роки тому +1

    I know you said you *can* use a d-pad, but I find it really imprecise for charge moves. Do you think a stick would be better?

  • @izukumidoriya3188
    @izukumidoriya3188 8 років тому

    Hey thanks for video. I been waiting for a video like this on charge characters for awhile. Keep up the good work

  • @djblazkowicz9052
    @djblazkowicz9052 8 років тому

    Great video man! Awesome to see there are pro players in my city

  • @munem939
    @munem939 8 років тому

    Damn Vesper! Back at it again with the tutorials

  • @KaizenMaster007
    @KaizenMaster007 8 років тому +10

    Hi VesperArcade,
    I don't know if you mentioned dash or walk into CA in your "movement" video. If you didn't then how come it wasn't mentioned here? Is it because you are saving it for a later video or want to keep the information more simple? Thank you for your efforts and support of new players like me back in 2010/2011! You helped me grow a lot as a new player.
    P.S. At 14:51 you began speaking about how a player loses "back charge" when they perform a jumping cross-up so they won't be able to execute a short combo ending with a charge move. You are right! They do lose back charge which is why I jump with forward charge which turns into a full back charge once I land on the other side. Please add an annotation to that part of the video so new players can learn about forward charge becoming a back charge upon crossing over to the other side of their opponent.
    - KaizenMaster

  • @lemmiwinks3697
    @lemmiwinks3697 4 роки тому +7

    Just started playing a couple weeks ago this video has made me a much better guile player, doing the trials was impossible until I learnt the tricks from your vids. Great tutorial mate !

    • @phillip9392
      @phillip9392 2 роки тому +1

      Same. Started playing 5 days ago. Haven’t played street fighter in 20 years maybe.

  • @Blitzo2876
    @Blitzo2876 4 роки тому

    I didn't know about the v trigger thing. I'm gonna practice charge characters now. Still struggling with specials into supers.....

  • @TheGravemistake
    @TheGravemistake 7 років тому +1

    This is cool Im not playing a charge atm but i do like urien so this a great entry point for a newbie like myself

  • @jacoboswald5731
    @jacoboswald5731 7 років тому +1

    This is awesome thank you so much I've been struggling with Urien's charges and this helps so much!

  • @mnb4414
    @mnb4414 4 роки тому

    What helped me get good at sonic booms and flash kicks was playing games like sf2ww and sf2 ce along with other old games. I’m 14 and my dad taught me to play guile on old games so that kinda transferred over into other games

  • @dbskafai
    @dbskafai 8 років тому

    Excellent...it really helps me start using charge characters. Great job Vesper!

  • @matheusluiz4958
    @matheusluiz4958 4 роки тому +5

    I watch Daigo play with Guile, and It doesnt seem like he is charging at all. His Guile stand still, and the Sonic booms come so easly. I really wish to know How he does that

    • @Heihachiwan
      @Heihachiwan 4 роки тому

      Yooo facts broo

    • @dracowip5007
      @dracowip5007 4 роки тому

      He has a Hitbox. Hitboxes replace the joy stick on arcade sticks with buttons. If you press forward and backward at the same time with a Hitbox it still counts the inputs but you don’t move. You can do the same on keyboard. I don’t use one myself but I’m pretty sure that’s the tech

    • @sourapple7831
      @sourapple7831 4 роки тому

      Dude showed how to do it in the video. You can stop moving if you crouch while walking backward. If you press forward you will stand. Pay closer attention next time and i was just here to learn how to charge attack dont even have the game but its just a simple fighting game mechanic

    • @marcisarn2365
      @marcisarn2365 4 роки тому

      @@sourapple7831 he said while STANDING still , daigo does it tho is character is standing , not crouching

    • @sourapple7831
      @sourapple7831 4 роки тому

      @@marcisarn2365 if you do it fast enough on startup of every attacks you can do it or you got technical advantage since there are even guiles that can walk forward and throw booms with hitbox (?)
      Also when you go backwards its block so you can stop moving when an enemy attack.

  • @ipwnzyanoobz
    @ipwnzyanoobz 7 років тому +16

    How much charge could a lowtiergod charge if a lowtiergod could charge charge

  • @ripper021_py
    @ripper021_py 3 роки тому

    I've been playing SF for 8 years now, nevertheless I just started using Blanka and it's my very 1st one, the vid isnt cringe at all, thanks

  • @KingCrowley999
    @KingCrowley999 8 років тому

    Awesome video, reading about what to do wasnt helping but this definitely did

  • @loboloco1870
    @loboloco1870 2 роки тому

    Thank you I’ve been dying to know

  • @jesusconcristo
    @jesusconcristo 7 років тому +1

    The Best SFV tutorial...
    I would love a Guile combo tutorial.
    Greetings from Switzerland !

  • @UltimaBlank
    @UltimaBlank 8 років тому

    Always wanted to learn Urien back in the day but was put off by charge moves, this tutorial is exactly what I need for when he drops in SFV :) AND I get access to learn new/other future characters :D thanks Vesper! Time to (finally) learn the all american family man haha

  • @erbonprzi2502
    @erbonprzi2502 8 років тому +4

    Ok i gotta really practice my execution..great vid

  • @JleStudios
    @JleStudios 7 років тому

    This was great! You made it look beyond fun. I need to get a fightstick

  • @thetipsysparrow9552
    @thetipsysparrow9552 8 років тому

    Very comprehensive, I would have also added that when super cancelling a flash kick or sonic boom from down back that the charge also counts to the super.

    • @VesperArcade
      @VesperArcade  8 років тому +2

      +The Tipsy Sparrow Thanks. Already went through it. ua-cam.com/video/Iu_pseueh2c/v-deo.html

    • @thetipsysparrow9552
      @thetipsysparrow9552 8 років тому

      Sorry, didn't pop up on my subscriptions for some reason. Thanks UA-cam!

  • @zhaf
    @zhaf 8 років тому +2

    Hey Vesper, any more tutorials coming? I thought you said you would do character guides.

  • @shinobixa4
    @shinobixa4 8 років тому

    I love these characters breakdown videos.

  • @ghostielextyr4181
    @ghostielextyr4181 6 років тому

    (5:00)Um, I guess cross ups are annoying with charge. Really just matters which position your guarding in (standing guard or crouching guard). Switching sides does lose the charge, however this puts them in range to charge it while you *counter hit* then you can simply string it off the counter, Charge time isn't as bad as most make it seem

  • @banone3273
    @banone3273 2 роки тому

    How could I hold a charge while dashing forward? I mean that will force me to move my stick to forwards?

  • @BlazPrince
    @BlazPrince 8 років тому +1

    hey vesper, the trick you do when you get a light punch before you flash kick, is there a reason you would use it for guile. I don't know, I do so how it's good for Alex

  • @devsf4
    @devsf4 8 років тому +58

    Who's here before this hits a million views??
    #VesperArmy

  • @iiWolven
    @iiWolven 8 років тому +7

    As a street fighter noob I was so confused in game

  • @KCOCxFINGER
    @KCOCxFINGER 5 років тому

    Ty dude by 9:17 my question was answered can I charge while blocking or being hit knew about DB charge not UB

  • @bigtone5230
    @bigtone5230 8 років тому +5

    Who's a better teacher? Gootecks or vesper???🤔

  • @awbr1991
    @awbr1991 4 роки тому

    So can i hold back and just do a half circle forward motion and get Sonic Boom?

  • @Thatdude813
    @Thatdude813 7 років тому

    For eight years I whip tail with only regular characters. Thanks for the next level!! 🔥🔥

  • @igneel5612
    @igneel5612 2 роки тому

    How do you charge off neutral buttons?? Like guile's Smk can be charged from but I don't get it.

  • @Sandman1044
    @Sandman1044 6 років тому

    Thanks man for your videos you've been a great help, please keep it up

  • @Jaracara11
    @Jaracara11 8 років тому +3

    Nice tutorial Vesper, It would be amazing if the video had spanish subs for non-english speakers though

  • @Brunolima06
    @Brunolima06 8 років тому

    Great Tutorial! Thank you, Vesper!

  • @GeaForce
    @GeaForce 4 роки тому +2

    So, crossup Guile whenever you knock him up to avoid wake up critical art

  • @priestskorge
    @priestskorge 8 років тому

    U don't need fast buffering for his st fierce to cr m u can cancel the flash kick late on the medium punch and still have it combo but u still need to be kinda fast but not crazy fast

  • @suryannair3670
    @suryannair3670 8 років тому +1

    hey vesper, in the s.hp>c.mp example, do i have to think of it almost like a plink (i.e s.hp, plink down back)?sry if this sounds confusing to you

  • @LucifersKall
    @LucifersKall 8 років тому +8

    Would you be willing to do one of these kind of videos for Alex?

    • @riki9573
      @riki9573 8 років тому

      Alex isn't even a hard character to use.

    • @Lexicon865
      @Lexicon865 7 років тому

      LucifersKall Seeing as how Vega is a swift & deadly assassin, him no longer being a charged character is sort of a good thing tbh

  • @hunterbodanza4758
    @hunterbodanza4758 8 років тому

    Do you think I should get a stick, they just seem more comfortable and responsive to use than a normal pad.

  • @saksittongra-ar8846
    @saksittongra-ar8846 4 роки тому

    do you have a link to buy the arcade fight stick controller that you are using?

  • @bazzjedimaster
    @bazzjedimaster 8 років тому +50

    man i wish Vega still was a charge character

    • @UNKNWN96
      @UNKNWN96 8 років тому +6

      Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this!

    • @PorknBeansss
      @PorknBeansss 6 років тому

      Those were the days.

    • @kevinvigil3865
      @kevinvigil3865 6 років тому +6

      Fuck that!! I hate charge characters when he went shoto style I was ECSTATIC!!! cause I always wanted to use him! Now I CRUSH EVERYONE

    • @ghostwolf1435
      @ghostwolf1435 5 років тому

      @@kevinvigil3865 agreed love it!

    • @earms2949
      @earms2949 4 роки тому

      What are the advantage of a charge char, for a noob like me I always end up being cornered.

  • @DannyCtes
    @DannyCtes 8 років тому

    this makes guiles loop easier. wow thanks for uploading this.

  • @erbonprzi2502
    @erbonprzi2502 8 років тому +1

    so my flash kick & sonic booms dont combo most of the time..they always come out late in in challenge mode for instance

  • @Brandon-ob9rg
    @Brandon-ob9rg 7 років тому

    I learned so much. Thank you.

  • @deshawnbarner2491
    @deshawnbarner2491 5 років тому

    Thanks! i got street fighter v cuz i just started playing fighting games, and i bought my self a joystick and i wanted to learn Charge Characters

  • @tomoop8867
    @tomoop8867 3 роки тому

    This really helped thanks

  • @panuponghomsapaya2386
    @panuponghomsapaya2386 7 років тому

    Thanks for the tip! i just started guile 1 week ago some of the combos i can do now i know why i did his super wrong its about speed and timing great tutorial. the only charater that i always
    played was ken but guile i liek him hes more defensive

  • @SickleSlash
    @SickleSlash 2 роки тому

    How do you do inputs for moves like flash explosion?

  • @deadringer-cultofdeathratt8813
    @deadringer-cultofdeathratt8813 4 роки тому +1

    I suck at charge (Sakura player) burins only guile a lot because of his normals alone.

  • @o_ranges
    @o_ranges 2 роки тому

    Does USF4 Vega also count as a charge character? I really wanna use this tech against my friend that plays SF4

  • @LKASTI
    @LKASTI 8 років тому

    Is it better to use a square plate vs a octogonal plate or is it just preference. (I realise in the beginning of the video he said that controller doesn't matter.)

  • @Zapatozi
    @Zapatozi 7 років тому +2

    0:29 Well...I use D-Pad for Super Ability and for some attacs. Especially when i use Guile. That means that i'm a PRO PLAYER!!!!!!!!

  • @funnylad
    @funnylad 4 роки тому

    Really clear concise guide - well done man! I'd just like to ask if you've used the Madcatz Alpha fight stick and how it compares to the one you have in the video? I'm finding the Alpha very oversensitive in movements and it's really hindering me moving up the ranks!

  • @priestskorge
    @priestskorge 8 років тому

    charge character seem hard at first but there really not that hard to learn but them are harder to win with most of the time they are really susceptible to moves that make u lose your charge like cross ups that why it very very important to be good at anti airing and footies if u want to play a charge character i use to hate them but I love them now plus charge times in sfv are much shorter

  • @nomansland6372
    @nomansland6372 8 років тому

    hey vesper, can u demonstrate the guile "loop" using vtrigger in the corner and explain? i find it very hard going from st.hp, cr.mp xx sb, cr.mp xx sb. the last cr.mp to sb i can't get...thx mate!

    • @Jaracara11
      @Jaracara11 8 років тому

      You have to delay de last cr.MP so the last SB can come out.

    • @nomansland6372
      @nomansland6372 8 років тому

      Thanks! I'll give it a try.

    • @Jaracara11
      @Jaracara11 8 років тому

      Lemme know if u cant get it

  • @bradleymadden4709
    @bradleymadden4709 6 років тому +1

    Anyone got tips on doing Balrogs dash punch?

  • @profh3t323
    @profh3t323 5 років тому

    Thanks for the guide

  • @rinomahmoed9201
    @rinomahmoed9201 6 років тому +2

    I've been playing SF for 7 years, only now do i know to use charge attack

  • @honey4xi
    @honey4xi 7 років тому +1

    My PS4 SFV save (record) the game in 720p from my Samsung 55" 3D HDTV 1080p. How can I change it to save (record) the game in 1080p?

  • @richardkutsera4992
    @richardkutsera4992 Рік тому

    I am using a PS5 controller and I dunno, my fingers are too big?I try to only push forward, but my character jumps!

  • @PurpleFreezerPage
    @PurpleFreezerPage 7 років тому

    So is this part of the cast just not an option for players who hate playing "defensive"?

  • @kareemzeineddin89
    @kareemzeineddin89 5 років тому

    i really cant get sonic boom or flash kick to hit after DMP , it is really getting me annoyed , any strats ? please help , charging is not a problem for me but timing after the punish :S

  • @WiLLoXMetaLorD
    @WiLLoXMetaLorD 2 роки тому

    Hi, what arcade joysitck are you using? Greetings from Ecuador.

  • @araujoas
    @araujoas 8 років тому

    Has this buttons sillent Sanwa (those with EVA inside of the button)?

  • @zinnyfinity9664
    @zinnyfinity9664 8 років тому

    I've completed a lot of the character combo trials, the only 5 I have yet to complete are Ryu, Ken (both are one trial off), Nash, Karin, and...FANG...
    I know a lot of charge fighters generally play the same, but FANG is far from comfortable in this regard. I mean, maybe it's because I've played Street Fighter since I was 10, so I'm well familiar with the likes of Guile, Bison, and Alex. But I even finished Zangief's and (New) Vega's Character Combo Trials. How do you link his (FANG's) attacks without getting uncomfortable?
    Can't really explain it, it feels like some of his attacks don't hit or link up.

  • @nachomax15
    @nachomax15 7 років тому

    Flash kick to super please any input shortcut?

  • @aspreedacore
    @aspreedacore 8 років тому

    Thank you vesper knew everythng in the video except the hard punch guile combo, the differnt v triggr exclusive fireball speeds and that bison can do charge moves in v trigger without charge previousl I thought h can only cancl special into special.... Fang is not the best char to learn chare with but I feel he is the easiest of all SF chars to charge with so I main him lol

  • @nickvalle25
    @nickvalle25 8 років тому

    thank you I've been struggling on how to do his specials

  • @Redfax201
    @Redfax201 8 років тому

    Thanks man, your tutorial helps a lot :)

  • @DumbPurpleBobaCat
    @DumbPurpleBobaCat 7 років тому

    Hey, this is a really nice guide for this kind of thing, but I was wondering if you could do a guide like this for a game called UNIEL. Specifically the character named Vatista, whom is mainly a charge attack based character. She has somewhat the same mechanics, but with differences that make her a little harder to use than characters like Guile.

  • @yetonlock2596
    @yetonlock2596 8 років тому +4

    Hello Vesper, firstable, thanks for this video. I'm a new SF's player, and your video about charge character was very usefull and awesome.
    You really take time to explain every steps and me it's very understandable. I really appreciate.
    Well, i didn't play Guile because he's to hard to play for a beginner like me, i main Alex. I think it's a good character to let me introduce in the universe of charge characters. And i heard about something like "cancelling a St. MP or HP to Headbutt/Stampede"
    I found some video on Utube for sure but I'm asking if you can make video, a very, very short video about this motion cuz, ain't easy to me to understand the real timing about this move.

    • @crimson-foxtwitch2581
      @crimson-foxtwitch2581 7 років тому

      TonYe Kcol Performing a st.normal into a charge move is easier than you think. With back to forward, you hold back or hit neutral then forward to cancel. With down to up, you charge down, hit neutral then hit up immediately afterwards to cancel.

    • @praisejashin5215
      @praisejashin5215 7 років тому

      TonYe Kcol k

    • @feferocket-tw1yr
      @feferocket-tw1yr 6 років тому

      @@crimson-foxtwitch2581

  • @nguyendevil92gaming
    @nguyendevil92gaming 7 років тому

    can there the way to bypass those spaming sonic boom i has a problem with matchup with guile

  • @senint
    @senint 4 роки тому

    Huh.
    This tutorial was actually better than the written info the game had given me... 🤔
    I was puzzled in training mode for failing to execute sonic boom... and you show I have done it wrong all along... 😂
    ...how missleading from the info... 😑

  • @joshelderkin9592
    @joshelderkin9592 6 років тому

    my guile needed that down back charge info mucho thanks