The two of the oldest bible passages, song of the sea and the song of deborah both reference parts of the exodus. These parts are the parting of the sea and the mt. Sinai.
(14 December 2024) I personally enjoyed the presentation by Dr. Scott Stirpling. I have the book he refers to about establishing a date for the Exodus, and dates proposed by four other scholars. Stirpling noted that Dr. Ronald Hendel did not believe Exodus, as portrayed in Scripture, was a real event. Hendel thought it might possibly be a muddled memory of a real event. A number of scholars gravitate between two dates for the Exodus: (1) Circa 1446 BC on the basis of 1 Kings 6:1, and its 480 years before Solomon builds the Temple. (2) Others prefer an Exodus circa 1260 BC based on the mention of city called Ramesses, built by the Hebrews, associating it with Egyptian Per-Ramesses, taking its name after Pharaoh Ramesses II. Dr. Stirpling makes a brief mention of the 1st century AD Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, who, in his book titled, _A History of the Jews,_ paraphrases parts of the TANAKH. Not so well known is that Josephus dared to contradict, at times, Holy Writ! Instead of mentioning 480 years elapsing from the Exodus to Solomon's temple, Josephus calculates 592 years elapsing, elsewhere he calculates 612 years elapsing, no where does he state 480 years as elapsing. Solomon's Temple is calculated to be ca. 967 BC by some. Add 592 + 967= 1559 BC for the Exodus Add 612+ 967= 1579 BC for the Exodus 1559 BC and 1579 BC align the Exodus from an Egypt under Hyksos domination. Josephus opined that Manetho's expulsion of the Hyksos was most likely the Egyptian version of Israel's Exodus under Moses! I am in agreement with Josephus. I am not alone: Dr. Donald B. Redford, an Egyptologist, in 1992, averred there was only one event in Egyptian history, aligning with Israel's Exodus, and that was the Hyksos Expulsion of circa 1550 BC by Pharaoh Ah-Mose I, founder of the 18th Dynasty of Egypt. I agree with Redford and Josephus. Interested viewers can access my scholarly papers on the subject by googling "Academia Edu Profile Walter R. Mattfeld."
I’ve read Hoffmeier’s “explanation” of why the 479+ years of 1 Kings 6 isn’t to be taken literally and, to engage in understatement, I am not exactly impressed with his “logic.” If the not-literal proponents are to be taken seriously about their numerology scheme, then they must also give us persuasive explanations as to 1) what is the numerological significance of Solomon’s FOURTH year, 2) what is the numerological significance of the SECOND month, 3) what is the significance of the month of Ziv? These are all chronological markers, so why is the 480th year the only aspect of this dating that isn’t meant to be taken literally?
Isn’t the difference then between those who use the Bible as the source text and those who prioritise other sources? So why do the other sources get preeminence?
I think you are correct, it is a matter of prioritization, and explaining away the numbers of the text as an issue of "genre." And we think that doesn't do justice to the text or the meaning of the original author.
Because the other sources don't contain the implausibilities (600,000 male slaves = 2.5m people), duplications (2 Plague stories interwoven), lack of evidence of an invasion of Canaan, lack of evidence in the bible of knowing the Egyptian Empire was in Canaan, contradictions (how many times does Moses go up the mountain and with who?), the Moses birth story is an echo of much older Mesopotamian stories, lack of evidence that anything resembling Judaism existed till much later. There are no Egyptologists other than committed Christians who give the Exodus story 2 seconds. If you are really want to think, rather than just stay in these Christian echo chambers, there's masses of web pages destroying the Exodus myth. Oh and any God of the Passover who directs the massacre of innocent children is not worthy of worship.
Because Naturalists are engaged in an ideological war against anything biblical. This endeavor is reflexive or instinctual in nature, a manifestation of original sin. Their intellectual abilities are subordinate to this “primal urge,” to use another term.
Great episode! Looking forward to subsequent interviews with Dr. Stripling.
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The two of the oldest bible passages, song of the sea and the song of deborah both reference parts of the exodus. These parts are the parting of the sea and the mt. Sinai.
Another interesting thing is the city the pharaoh was in where Moses performed the miracles was Tanis - Zoan; fun fact it’s mentioned in Indiana Jones
(14 December 2024) I personally enjoyed the presentation by Dr. Scott Stirpling.
I have the book he refers to about establishing a date for the Exodus, and dates proposed by four other scholars.
Stirpling noted that Dr. Ronald Hendel did not believe Exodus, as portrayed in Scripture, was a real event.
Hendel thought it might possibly be a muddled memory of a real event.
A number of scholars gravitate between two dates for the Exodus:
(1)
Circa 1446 BC on the basis of 1 Kings 6:1, and its 480 years before Solomon builds the Temple.
(2)
Others prefer an Exodus circa 1260 BC based on the mention of city called Ramesses, built by the Hebrews, associating it with Egyptian Per-Ramesses, taking its name after Pharaoh Ramesses II.
Dr. Stirpling makes a brief mention of the 1st century AD Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, who, in his book titled, _A History of the Jews,_ paraphrases parts of the TANAKH.
Not so well known is that Josephus dared to contradict, at times, Holy Writ!
Instead of mentioning 480 years elapsing from the Exodus to Solomon's temple, Josephus calculates 592 years elapsing, elsewhere he calculates 612 years elapsing, no where does he state 480 years as elapsing.
Solomon's Temple is calculated to be ca. 967 BC by some.
Add 592 + 967= 1559 BC for the Exodus
Add 612+ 967= 1579 BC for the Exodus
1559 BC and 1579 BC align the Exodus from an Egypt under Hyksos domination.
Josephus opined that Manetho's expulsion of the Hyksos was most likely the Egyptian version of Israel's Exodus under Moses!
I am in agreement with Josephus.
I am not alone:
Dr. Donald B. Redford, an Egyptologist, in 1992, averred there was only one event in Egyptian history, aligning with Israel's Exodus, and that was the Hyksos Expulsion of circa 1550 BC by Pharaoh Ah-Mose I, founder of the 18th Dynasty of Egypt.
I agree with Redford and Josephus.
Interested viewers can access my scholarly papers on the subject by googling "Academia Edu Profile Walter R. Mattfeld."
Doesnt the number 40 in context in the bible typically refer to 'a really long time' and not actually the preserved record?
I’ve read Hoffmeier’s “explanation” of why the 479+ years of 1 Kings 6 isn’t to be taken literally and, to engage in understatement, I am not exactly impressed with his “logic.” If the not-literal proponents are to be taken seriously about their numerology scheme, then they must also give us persuasive explanations as to 1) what is the numerological significance of Solomon’s FOURTH year, 2) what is the numerological significance of the SECOND month, 3) what is the significance of the month of Ziv? These are all chronological markers, so why is the 480th year the only aspect of this dating that isn’t meant to be taken literally?
Isn’t the difference then between those who use the Bible as the source text and those who prioritise other sources?
So why do the other sources get preeminence?
I think you are correct, it is a matter of prioritization, and explaining away the numbers of the text as an issue of "genre." And we think that doesn't do justice to the text or the meaning of the original author.
Because the other sources don't contain the implausibilities (600,000 male slaves = 2.5m people), duplications (2 Plague stories interwoven), lack of evidence of an invasion of Canaan, lack of evidence in the bible of knowing the Egyptian Empire was in Canaan, contradictions (how many times does Moses go up the mountain and with who?), the Moses birth story is an echo of much older Mesopotamian stories, lack of evidence that anything resembling Judaism existed till much later. There are no Egyptologists other than committed Christians who give the Exodus story 2 seconds. If you are really want to think, rather than just stay in these Christian echo chambers, there's masses of web pages destroying the Exodus myth. Oh and any God of the Passover who directs the massacre of innocent children is not worthy of worship.
Bingo!
Because Naturalists are engaged in an ideological war against anything biblical. This endeavor is reflexive or instinctual in nature, a manifestation of original sin. Their intellectual abilities are subordinate to this “primal urge,” to use another term.