Saw Cetera live at Foxwoods last month. INCREDIBLE SHOW. HE HAS NOT LOST A THING. Great, professional, talented band. NO AUTOTUNE, NO PRERECORDED TRACKS, NOTHING BUT TALENT. Performed many great CHICAGO songs as well as his great solo stuff. Great showman, great show. DON'T MISS HIM IF YOU GET THE CHANCE TO SEE HIM LIVE.
Peter is just amazing. He gets better with age and really keeps himself young. He was and always will be a great performer. Hope he continues on for many years.
SHARON LAFOREST No.No he doesn't keep getting better with age. Wishful thinking but time and aging will not be denied it's ravages. I love the original Chicago and Cetera was a favorite of mine but what precisely is he doing now that he wouldn't be doing had he stayed in Chicago? Over decades I've watched talented musicians crash and burn in listening to the siren call of hangers on like Foster. Very sad but it's how he will be remembered. Low how the mighty have fallen.
A Peter Cetera concert is a masterclass in musicianship! Awesome voice, terrific band, and amazing energy/chemistry! Though I’d love to see him still performing, he retired quite literally on a good note because he did so while he could still sing! What a legend! ❤❤❤
Yes, Macca's voice has finally been shredded and it's quite sad & unfortunate... Many, many years of Little Richard styled screams and Long Tall Sally's, along with the road toll, smoking, and plain old age, the damage is done ~ Glad to have picked up "Good Evening New York" DVD = a FABULOUS live show tour while Paul's voice was still strong ~ PC will always be one of the most unique male tenors that CANNOT be replicated
I was thinking the same thing! Right when I saw him with the bass, it just looked right. Its the rockin' old Chicago Peter Cetera, not the karate kid "Glory of Love" Cetera!!!
News flash folks, Cetera sings most of the old Chicago tunes transposed down because he can't sing them anymore. That's what one of the flaps was for the R&R HOF ceremony, the band didn't want to transpose the tunes down 4 and 5 steps to the point where the horn parts would be ridiculously low and sound downright stupid. 25 or 6 to 4 sounds lousy in the key in which he sings it in this video. It's down 4 steps from the original. Terrible.
Feeling Stronger sounds very good. 25 or 6 to 4 not so much. Sung very low. In the key he's singing it in I think Robert Lamm could sing it. Also, hearing this song live always makes me miss Terry Kath even more.
You've GOT to be kidding me!!!!! So THIS is what his old band found so hard to do, in order to get them all reunited on stage to sing 25 or 6 to 4 at the H of F induction? I am thoroughly disgusted and disappointed that they could not drop it down a key so that Peter could comfortably sing this song? I thought they were all music majors, former students of DePaul music school or something. And the dudes wouldn't grant Peter this one concession to make a new historical moment! They couldn't handle that? Pfffft! This was amazing. I don't like some of the changes re: bridging the tempo after the guitar solo but he was full of passion and power; looked great, sounded great! So nice to see Peter go out on top, as we now know he announced retirement from performing in 2019. If we lived in GB, he'd be Sir Peter Cetera, as Queen Elizabeth would have knighted him by now. Peter Cetera, a National Treasure.
@@roberthayden3741 yes sir!!! Memories and videos will do just fine, eh? Aren't we so lucky to be able to find him as far back as 1968 all the way to his last performances. Thank YOU SO MUCH for capturing this amazing, great video. He did it all with class and style! Such style. And he wasn't a dickhead like some of his old band, never letting their envy and grudges go and keeping the 'stories' and negativity going. We know Pete has led a happy, fulfilled life. Don't know I can say that for the others. Thank Robert Hayden! Priceless! I wish I'd been there!!
Hi moodylicious Im pretty sure it had nothing to do with Chicago not being able to drop it down a key. It was more that they couldn't drop their egos for one single night. So sad indeed
@@lesliesarbry3064 Cetera called his break with Chicago a divorce. He wanted out so he could be a big solo act and not share the attention with the band. He got his wish. Why would the band accomodate him now? That's like one party of a divorced couple wanting to renegotiate the divorce years later. Can't happen.
I think dropping it down this much would've made the band sound way less good. If I had my way, the compromise would be to replace one of the Lamm leads- probably Saturday In The Park- with a Cetera era classic like Hard Habit To Break so Peter could have his blow-everyone-away moment. And then let Scheff sing lead on the closer.
@@StratMatt777 Cetera smoked everything he could his hands on, including cigarettes until the early 80s when he decided to get in shape and shed all of his vices. He had just gotten married and had a baby on the way, and the drug fueled life he had been living just wasn't going to cut it any longer.
Can you imagine how quickly that concert would sell out with Cetera fronting Chicago for the first time in over 30 years? Don't see it happening since he wouldn't appear at the HOF induction even though he was invited.
Cetera did agree to be interviewed for the documentary on Terry Kath which surprises me. I believe Terry's daughter, Michelle Kath, did the interview. I am purchasing that movie--I haven't seen it yet.
He had to add Chicago songs to his show because he didn’t have enough of his own material and the fans were demanding it. But he HATED to have to perform Chicago songs. Great singer and bass player though.
And that's one of many reasons Cetera backed out of the R&R Hall Of Fame for Chicago. He had been invited and initially accepted, but then came up with a list of demands that ultimately served as a conditional appearance. Asking to the band to lower the key two steps down so he could hit the high notes was one of those demands. Another deal killer was that he wanted Champlin, Dacus, Bailey and everyone else who ever held an instrument under the banner of Chicago, to be invited to show up and play whatever songs the band was slated to perform at the ceremony. To be fair, it was a nice gesture to want to include all living former members to be honored, but it was also pretty unreasonable, especially since Cetera hadn't had any contact with any band member, except Robert Lamm, for more than 30 years... not to mention that his departure from the group was acrimonious, to say the very least. To be gone that long and having departed the way he did, gave him zero credibility with the group and their manager. Some part of me believes that Cetera knew he'd get very little if any one of his demands and used that as an excuse not to go through with something he didn't really want to be a part of to begin with. For several years during and after Cetera's departure from Chicago, Lamm and Cetera remained close because they were brother in law to one another. At some point in the 90s, Lamm approached Cetera about rejoining Chicago. Cetera entertained the notion because he had pretty much walked away from his career at that point, but wasn't quite ready to fully retire. They negotiated back and forth over a course of a few months and Peter seemed to be warming up to the notion. He was willing to make limited appearances with the band and collaborate on any new album the band was thinking of putting out, but when Lamm shared his offer with the rest of the band, they said it would have to be an "all or nothing" commitment. When Cetera heard that, he backed out by telling Lamm "I just don't want to work that hard again". Cetera wasn't fond of many in the band anymore and didn't want to be living out of a suitcase 300 days a year, and he didn't need to. Was it a smart move from the perspective of the fans who'd been pining for a reunion for 20 years?...No. Was it a smart move for Cetera to keep his independence at the expense of his solo career and a possible comeback with Chicago?...Yes, but then again, Cetera has been putting his own interests first since the day he told the group he was leaving.
@@festusporkmyer8375 I agree that Cetera just plain didn't want to do it--so he created these demands that he knew the band wouldn't agree to. That way he could decline and pin the fault on someone else. He could have picked any number of Chi songs that he could still sing in the original key (why not 'Feeling Stronger' as he does in this video). As for bringing everyone on stage to play--that's a pretty silly idea too. Historically the people who play at the RRHOF are the band members being inducted and/or the band's current members--but not everyone in between. Assuming they would all fit on stage, what the heck are 4 guitar players going to do? Just stand to the side and pretend to strum a guitar that's not even plugged in--like Bernie Leadon & Randy Meisner did.
@@md65000 That is utterly ridiculous. Why would he 'create demands he knew the band wouldn't agree to? His voice has mellowed and dropped. Fortunately he had the ability to sing in such a high register that it's not hurting him. I really have to wonder where these stories I hear spouted forth come from? What he did with 25 or 6 to 4 was not a Seismic Shift for cryin out loud. God! I once loved Chicago, bac when they first came on to the scene. Lamm was full of political activism and fervor. They had a vision which they surpassed. But I always detected a holding back on the love to their band "brother" Peter Cetera. As fantastically talented as he was on bass and vocally, as well as the sheer force of nature he was with all that passion in performing he had; seems his bandmates held back from giving his props and credit. No wonder Peter is wary and not joining in on these bio-docs they do. Smarmy people, those Chicago guys turned out to be. At least Peter has been dignified in all his interviews and remained honorable. They seemed to always have something in their craw for PC. One thing I know and that is that Terry Kath loved Peter and was a great friend to him. More than I can say for the rest of them! They blew a chance for the band to reunite at the H of F ceremony. But not because Peter refused or made things difficult. His old "brothers" effed him like they always had. Pure envy and jealousy from them, especially fr Pankow, it appears.
@@moodylicious I have to agree. It seems certain members of Chicago were intimidated by Peter's talents and after Kath's death, everything became magnified. Peter's music saved that band and they resented it. I recently watched an interview with Danny and he hinted as much.
@@FourSeasons04 Thanks for your note! Would you be able to turn me on to which Danny interview it was? Danny was always a straight shooter, and has remained loyal, fair and a constant in his recollections. Bobby and Jimmy seem to make the story fit with the narrative of the interviewer in regards to their questioning. i'd like to see your Danny interview, unless it was Danny in Michelle Kath's movie or the Netflix band bio produced by a biased Lou Pardini? There have been a couple opinionated CHI band members who appear to exert more control over decisions than the rest. I agree, Peter's songwriting saved the band and the man has not been honored as he should have, by his former band mates. We know people follow the leader. Perhaps Chicago fans would not be as hostile in regards to PC, were they given a fine, gentlemanly example to follow by Chicago. People need to accept that Peter had an affinity for writing those beautiful, melodic, memorable love songs. Isn't that what solo artists do? Look what Robert Plant did outside Led Zeppelin, w/ his solo work. Look at what Richie Blackmore did after Deep Purple. We have to wonder what direction Terry Kath would have taken with Cook County? And would his work have been loved or hated, as Peter's been vilified &hated. Solo musicians need to follow their hearts and not be crucified for it, eh? But it's a risk most are willing and maybe compelled to take.
Cetera sounds just fine here considering he's not a young man anymore Time for Chicago to reconcile with Cetera & Seraphine for a reunion Leonid is giving them a run for their money
The key of 25 or 6 to 4 is way off. But I assume.that is to accommodate Cetera's vocal range. But wow he sounds great. Yes I agree that if he and Danny could get back in the band it would be a wet dream. Both gentlemen still have "it". BTW Cetera's guitar player is no slouch either
Peter asked Chicago to drop it like that for the RRHOF, horns and all, and of course they refused. Peter then asked to bring his own band, which was also refused.
It was a dumb and disrespectful move for him to request to bring his band to the rock n roll hall of fame. He wasn't being inducted, Chicago was. It was also foolish for Chicago not to drop the key so Peter could sing the song at the rock hall of fame.
Did he want to change the key of "25 or 6 to 4" or something like that? Lamm: Yeah, and it's not like a half step either way. He wanted to drop it down from A to E. So it's a big jump. [Drops voice] That's down here. And normally, if it's just a four-piece band you can do it, but with horns, you got to transfer those… It's not something that we wanted to do for a one-off. www.rollingstone.com/music/features/chicagos-robert-lamm-talks-peter-cetera-absence-at-rock-hall-20160409 It would be rough to transfer the horns. That would sound really weird. Oh well.
That's if you actually believe Chicago. Watching their documentary, there's so much crap spewed about former members that I think they embellished the truth on this. None of Peter Cetera's public statements say anything about wanting to bring his own band. What is public is that the band refused to change the key; and the band also refused to change to another song too.
Now I understand that as people get older their voices can change, look at Jon Bon Jovi. But if he can sing Stronger in its original key, with higher notes, why cant he sing 25 or 6 to 4 in its original key? This one just does not sound right.
Aging is an unfortunate fact of life, but it beats the alternative. This song really needs the brass, but at least the audience didn't have to watch Jimmy Pankow gyrating on stage like an elderly pervert.
I also think Pankow is an absolute show-off who completely makes a total fool of himself on stage. Always has been and back in the 70's many times appeared on stage without a shirt which was disgusting. He has a huge ego problem and wants to be the center of attention at any price.
I have to give Pankow credit for being the primary arranger for the brass and for writing some really nice tunes (my personal favorite is "Now That You've Gone" from Chicago V), but I always thought that he was envious of the attention that Kath and Cetera got from the band's fans and tried to overcompensate for it on stage.
Okay, I get it. The high notes aren't is easier to hit anymore, so drop the key half a step; that I can let slide. But damn, 25 or 6 to 4 sounded like the key for a baritone vocal. Here's a thought, just don't do the damn song. Do one of your little Cher or Amy Grant songs instead.
Danny wrote a book, it's titled Street Player, and he was going through a difficult time personally and his drumming wasn't as technically proficient as it once was. Rather than working with him to help him the band members voted to fire him and he was shocked by that decision. Today he has a new band, California Transit Authority and it's obvious Danny is back at the top of his game. I have a number of California Transit Authority videos posted. Hope you can enjoy some of them.
he sounds great!! The Lamm, Cetera, Serpahine, Parazaider, Pankow, and Loughnane can just do everyone a favor and do a couple nights in Chicago for charity, let bygones be bygones, and understand that the music is more important than whatever trivial BS they shared. If they have to drop down a key or two here and there, so what. They created magic together, and while they are still somewhat able, they should do it!
I was glad to see Peter in May 2016. He and his band performed well. However, wearing a suit is (was) a Tony Bennett or Frank Sinatra thing. It’s not rock and roll. Look up Peter at the 1970 Tanglewood concert. That’s Rock and Roll!
Yes, the suit doesn't fit a rock and roll image for sure. I think later in his career Peter saw himself more as a pure singer than a rocker. I first saw Peter in concert in October 1970 and he was a very good bass player in a great rock band and he looked it. They did the same set as they did at Tanglewood that summer. Seeing him perform Dialogue with Terry Kath live in concert cannot be duplicated. I always thought a trio of Peter, Terry Kath and Danny Seraphine would have been as good as any rock trio ever such as the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Rush or Cream.
At First Peter Cetera was going to show up at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame awards, but what I understand they had a little discrepancy when Robert was talking to him about doing 25 or 6 to 4 and Peter wanted to drop it down two octaves is what I had heard and Robert Lamm didn't want to change the song like that dropping it down two octaves.. so Peter refused to show up,, it's not like they could have done some other songs,, I don't get it myself,, just relaying to you what I had heard.. it sucks that he didn't show up especially for that reason, and I kind of blame Robert Lamm for that ,they could have agreed on another song.
Peter Cetera looking like President Clinton!?! LOL! Bill plays sax. Peter, like Gov. Huckabee, plays bass. Rabbi Derrick Whitt of Beit T'filah plays in two bands and plays bass though his voice range is more like Benjamin Orr of blessed memory.
I don't get the hard-on for Cetera. He QUIT. 30 years ago. That's on him. He's not John Bonham where the group decided they didn't want to move on without him. He QUIT. Chicago moved on with other singers. He's far from God's gift to the bass guitar, OR the second coming of the world's greatest vocalist. He's also NOT Chicago. Chicago is Pankow, Parazaider, Loughnane, Lamm, Howland, Hermann, Reyes, Yslas, Pardini, Donnell, and Simons.
Sorry but Chicago is Pankow, Parazaider, Loughnane, Lamm, Cetera, Seraphine and Kath and later with Laudir De Olivera. Any other lineup is just a substitute. Led Zeppelin knew the band died with Bonham, Chicago didn't realize the band died with Terry Kath and they just formed a different band with the same name. A pretty good band but not the original Chicago.
@@roberthayden3741 I get it, gramps. You haven't turned on a radio or the TV since 1977. Chicago still exists. No idea about any cover bands, but of course, they can't use the Chicago name. Only the original can do that. Cetera wished he could be a big star, but failed miserably, which is why he's stuck doing only Chicago songs, and pretending he is still capable of playing a bass for more than one song. If you really want a good laugh, you should see how he begged Chicago to try to sing the old songs as their bass singer, since he can't sing high notes anymore. You should really try to get up with the times, geezer. Did you have one of your great grandkids help you out with that new-fangled computer thing, or do you still have the Tandy? Segregation ended, America had a black President and a life-long failure as President. America has a woman vice president. The world has changed since before you entered the nursing home, old fart. You sound so ignorant spouting off on things of which you know nothing. Get with the present day, old codger.
@@DIESEL0759 Aww, baby millennial get a wrong latte order so he throws a tantrum and is lashing out? Do you have the belief that the only opinion in the world that counts is your own? You seem to be remarkably ignorant, or at least severely musically challenged, that you can't even hear the difference between Terry Kath, Donny Dacus, Dawayne Bailey and Keith Howland. You never went to a Terry Kath Chicago concert, did you? So it's you who are spouting off on things you know nothing about. Why don't you stop watching He Man cartoons and go to a Mickey Dolenz concert, Jeremy Diesel0759, so you can pretend it's a Monkees concert ( ua-cam.com/video/1-Tr84XfJoI/v-deo.html ) like you pretend seeing Lamm and Pankow is actually seeing the real Chicago. All they have are legal rights to the name now, not the ability to play like the Chicago with Terry Kath and Peter Cetera.
He did do his own stuff, but mixed the songs with his solo stuff. Also people forget Cetera liked Lamms songwriting (up till 1974) and though Cetera cowrote "Feeling Stronger Everyday " with Pankow. He never really did the songs Pankow wrote as a soloist because in a 1992 interview Cetera said he didn't like Pankows type of songs. The song "Skin Tight" written by Pankow on Chicago X ( Cetera said was a 'piece of garbage" but singing was my job so I had to do it.),A good example of evidence.
He should just stop the crap and go back with his band Chicago, they were buddies a long time, ridiculous to have those kind of grudges and bring back Danny for one last go around here, come on Chicago do it for the music if nothing else. It definitely would be a dream come true for me.
The man is great,been a fan since 1970,happy to see him still rockin,but you people must be deaf,he sounds like turd.he,s not even close to how he used to sound.but I still enjoy him,and everyone gets older.
That voice! Wow! Memories of good times past. The soundtrack of my youth. Amazing and grateful... Thank you Chicago.... Esp Peter.
One of my two favorite bassists. So melodic. Great musician.
Saw Cetera live at Foxwoods last month. INCREDIBLE SHOW. HE HAS NOT LOST A THING. Great, professional, talented band. NO AUTOTUNE, NO PRERECORDED TRACKS, NOTHING BUT TALENT. Performed many great CHICAGO songs as well as his great solo stuff. Great showman, great show. DON'T MISS HIM IF YOU GET THE CHANCE TO SEE HIM LIVE.
He lost drugs, alcohol and the others that wanted to control Chicago. He's in a much better life now.
Peter was underrated as a bassist. He was really good.
Peter is just amazing. He gets better with age and really keeps himself young. He was and always will be a great performer. Hope he continues on for many years.
SHARON LAFOREST No.No he doesn't keep getting better with age. Wishful thinking but time and aging will not be denied it's ravages. I love the original Chicago and Cetera was a favorite of mine but what precisely is he doing now that he wouldn't be doing had he stayed in Chicago? Over decades I've watched talented musicians crash and burn in listening to the siren call of hangers on like Foster. Very sad but it's how he will be remembered. Low how the mighty have fallen.
Daniel Fronc ... Isn't sad at all! Are you still ticked because he left Chicago? He's doing what he loves, and I still love listening!
The voice is almost the same from the 1973 special. Incredible. His voice has clearly stood the test of time. 45 years.
Great song!! still an amazing voice!! So classy he’s always in a suit
A Peter Cetera concert is a masterclass in musicianship! Awesome voice, terrific band, and amazing energy/chemistry! Though I’d love to see him still performing, he retired quite literally on a good note because he did so while he could still sing! What a legend! ❤❤❤
Unlike Chicago nowadays, Cetera is playing this song in it's entirety. Sounds great!
Yeah! Go Peter! Wow! Awesome performance! You are THE BEST!!!
Great to see Peter sing "Stronger" in it's original key!
it does not sound like original key. sounds super flat
Give him a break, he's 76 yrs old
a True Rock Legend, living Legend
he is one amazing artist and musician.
McCartney's voice is toast but nobody says anything, Cetera still sounds great. Love them both
Yes, Macca's voice has finally been shredded and it's quite sad & unfortunate... Many, many years of Little Richard styled screams and Long Tall Sally's, along with the road toll, smoking, and plain old age, the damage is done ~ Glad to have picked up "Good Evening New York" DVD = a FABULOUS live show tour while Paul's voice was still strong ~ PC will always be one of the most unique male tenors that CANNOT be replicated
60 years years of singing a non-stop steam of hits will do that to you.
Definitely still has it, love it when he plays bass like the old Chicago days
It's rare these days but he can still rock the bass guitar no doubt about it. He still has very good vocal range for being 74 years old.
I was thinking the same thing! Right when I saw him with the bass, it just looked right. Its the rockin' old Chicago Peter Cetera, not the karate kid "Glory of Love" Cetera!!!
Dang, he hits most of the hard notes. Some of the phrasing is shorter than it ought to be. BUT he sounds more like Chicago than Chicago right now.
I believe he is 70 so I would give him a little slack.
Bob Diepold 73
The Real Music Observer Regrettably, you're spot on correct.
News flash folks, Cetera sings most of the old Chicago tunes transposed down because he can't sing them anymore. That's what one of the flaps was for the R&R HOF ceremony, the band didn't want to transpose the tunes down 4 and 5 steps to the point where the horn parts would be ridiculously low and sound downright stupid. 25 or 6 to 4 sounds lousy in the key in which he sings it in this video. It's down 4 steps from the original. Terrible.
Feeling Stronger sounds very good. 25 or 6 to 4 not so much. Sung very low. In the key he's singing it in I think Robert Lamm could sing it. Also, hearing this song live always makes me miss Terry Kath even more.
You've GOT to be kidding me!!!!!
So THIS is what his old band found so hard to do, in order to get them all reunited on stage to sing 25 or 6 to 4 at the H of F induction?
I am thoroughly disgusted and disappointed that they could not drop it down a key so that Peter could comfortably sing this song?
I thought they were all music majors, former students of DePaul music school or something.
And the dudes wouldn't grant Peter this one concession to make a new historical moment!
They couldn't handle that? Pfffft!
This was amazing. I don't like some of the changes re: bridging the tempo after the guitar solo but he was full of passion and power; looked great, sounded great!
So nice to see Peter go out on top, as we now know he announced retirement from performing in 2019.
If we lived in GB, he'd be Sir Peter Cetera, as Queen Elizabeth would have knighted him by now.
Peter Cetera, a National Treasure.
Well said. I completely agree.
I really wish I could see him in concert one more time though. I guess memories and videos will have to do.
@@roberthayden3741 yes sir!!! Memories and videos will do just fine, eh? Aren't we so lucky to be able to find him as far back as 1968 all the way to his last performances. Thank YOU SO MUCH for capturing this amazing, great video.
He did it all with class and style!
Such style.
And he wasn't a dickhead like some of his old band, never letting their envy and grudges go and keeping the 'stories' and negativity going.
We know Pete has led a happy, fulfilled life.
Don't know I can say that for the others.
Thank Robert Hayden!
Priceless!
I wish I'd been there!!
Hi moodylicious Im pretty sure it had nothing to do with Chicago not being able to drop it down a key. It was more that they couldn't drop their egos for one single night. So sad indeed
@@lesliesarbry3064 Cetera called his break with Chicago a divorce. He wanted out so he could be a big solo act and not share the attention with the band. He got his wish. Why would the band accomodate him now? That's like one party of a divorced couple wanting to renegotiate the divorce years later. Can't happen.
I think dropping it down this much would've made the band sound way less good. If I had my way, the compromise would be to replace one of the Lamm leads- probably Saturday In The Park- with a Cetera era classic like Hard Habit To Break so Peter could have his blow-everyone-away moment. And then let Scheff sing lead on the closer.
Please bring back classy bands and men in suits.
Too right. How great does that look. :)
he sounds better at his age than daryll hall does.
Must not have smoked cigarettes...
You mean...feelin stronger every day???
@@StratMatt777 Cetera smoked everything he could his hands on, including cigarettes until the early 80s when he decided to get in shape and shed all of his vices. He had just gotten married and had a baby on the way, and the drug fueled life he had been living just wasn't going to cut it any longer.
@@festusporkmyer8375 Interesting!
@@festusporkmyer8375 😬😬😕🤷🏻
Great video, love both of these classic songs
Cetera. Forever.
Jesus Love you
É um show maravilhoso!!
Viva o Rock,!!
Que Deus continue abençoando sua vida proteja de tudo mal..Linda música
Guess I missed my chance to see him live! Damn!
No horns...no Chicago
Peter has a video when he was early Chicago doing this song, so real. We all evolve, but the earlier video is raw Peter!
Petercetera Jesus te ama e eu também
Very nice to see him still rockin it.
Can we please see Peter and Danny back with Chicago for one last concert? I guess a boy can dream, right?
Never will happen, unfortunately. Cetera wouldn't show at the HOF induction so that pretty much canceled any hope.
Can you imagine how quickly that concert would sell out with Cetera fronting Chicago for the first time in over 30 years? Don't see it happening since he wouldn't appear at the HOF induction even though he was invited.
sldl04 Agreed, don't see that happening in this lifetime.
Cetera did agree to be interviewed for the documentary on Terry Kath which surprises me. I believe Terry's daughter, Michelle Kath, did the interview. I am purchasing that movie--I haven't seen it yet.
great movie, worth purchasing for sure. love the surprise ending.. no spoilers....
Class Act! No running around with their shirts off!
Rodge on that 2nd half of the solo!! Sweet!
He had to add Chicago songs to his show because he didn’t have enough of his own material and the fans were demanding it. But he HATED to have to perform Chicago songs. Great singer and bass player though.
Who knew watching this performance,that Tony Obrata (sp) would become Chicago’s lead guitar player!
25 or 6 to 4 sounds ridiculous in such a low key.
And that's one of many reasons Cetera backed out of the R&R Hall Of Fame for Chicago. He had been invited and initially accepted, but then came up with a list of demands that ultimately served as a conditional appearance. Asking to the band to lower the key two steps down so he could hit the high notes was one of those demands. Another deal killer was that he wanted Champlin, Dacus, Bailey and everyone else who ever held an instrument under the banner of Chicago, to be invited to show up and play whatever songs the band was slated to perform at the ceremony.
To be fair, it was a nice gesture to want to include all living former members to be honored, but it was also pretty unreasonable, especially since Cetera hadn't had any contact with any band member, except Robert Lamm, for more than 30 years... not to mention that his departure from the group was acrimonious, to say the very least. To be gone that long and having departed the way he did, gave him zero credibility with the group and their manager. Some part of me believes that Cetera knew he'd get very little if any one of his demands and used that as an excuse not to go through with something he didn't really want to be a part of to begin with.
For several years during and after Cetera's departure from Chicago, Lamm and Cetera remained close because they were brother in law to one another. At some point in the 90s, Lamm approached Cetera about rejoining Chicago. Cetera entertained the notion because he had pretty much walked away from his career at that point, but wasn't quite ready to fully retire. They negotiated back and forth over a course of a few months and Peter seemed to be warming up to the notion. He was willing to make limited appearances with the band and collaborate on any new album the band was thinking of putting out, but when Lamm shared his offer with the rest of the band, they said it would have to be an "all or nothing" commitment. When Cetera heard that, he backed out by telling Lamm "I just don't want to work that hard again". Cetera wasn't fond of many in the band anymore and didn't want to be living out of a suitcase 300 days a year, and he didn't need to.
Was it a smart move from the perspective of the fans who'd been pining for a reunion for 20 years?...No. Was it a smart move for Cetera to keep his independence at the expense of his solo career and a possible comeback with Chicago?...Yes, but then again, Cetera has been putting his own interests first since the day he told the group he was leaving.
@@festusporkmyer8375 I agree that Cetera just plain didn't want to do it--so he created these demands that he knew the band wouldn't agree to. That way he could decline and pin the fault on someone else. He could have picked any number of Chi songs that he could still sing in the original key (why not 'Feeling Stronger' as he does in this video). As for bringing everyone on stage to play--that's a pretty silly idea too. Historically the people who play at the RRHOF are the band members being inducted and/or the band's current members--but not everyone in between. Assuming they would all fit on stage, what the heck are 4 guitar players going to do? Just stand to the side and pretend to strum a guitar that's not even plugged in--like Bernie Leadon & Randy Meisner did.
@@md65000 That is utterly ridiculous.
Why would he 'create demands he knew the band wouldn't agree to?
His voice has mellowed and dropped. Fortunately he had the ability to sing in such a high register that it's not hurting him.
I really have to wonder where these stories I hear spouted forth come from?
What he did with 25 or 6 to 4 was not a Seismic Shift for cryin out loud.
God!
I once loved Chicago, bac when they first came on to the scene. Lamm was full of political activism and fervor. They had a vision which they surpassed.
But I always detected a holding back on the love to their band "brother" Peter Cetera. As fantastically talented as he was on bass and vocally, as well as the sheer force of nature he was with all that passion in performing he had; seems his bandmates held back from giving his props and credit.
No wonder Peter is wary and not joining in on these bio-docs they do.
Smarmy people, those Chicago guys turned out to be.
At least Peter has been dignified in all his interviews and remained honorable.
They seemed to always have something in their craw for PC.
One thing I know and that is that Terry Kath loved Peter and was a great friend to him.
More than I can say for the rest of them!
They blew a chance for the band to reunite at the H of F ceremony. But not because Peter refused or made things difficult.
His old "brothers" effed him like they always had.
Pure envy and jealousy from them, especially fr Pankow, it appears.
@@moodylicious I have to agree. It seems certain members of Chicago were intimidated by Peter's talents and after Kath's death, everything became magnified. Peter's music saved that band and they resented it. I recently watched an interview with Danny and he hinted as much.
@@FourSeasons04 Thanks for your note! Would you be able to turn me on to which Danny interview it was? Danny was always a straight shooter, and has remained loyal, fair and a constant in his recollections. Bobby and Jimmy seem to make the story fit with the narrative of the interviewer in regards to their questioning.
i'd like to see your Danny interview, unless it was Danny in Michelle Kath's movie or the Netflix band bio produced by a biased Lou Pardini?
There have been a couple opinionated CHI band members who appear to exert more control over decisions than the rest.
I agree, Peter's songwriting saved the band and the man has not been honored as he should have, by his former band mates.
We know people follow the leader. Perhaps Chicago fans would not be as hostile in regards to PC, were they given a fine, gentlemanly example to follow by Chicago.
People need to accept that Peter had an affinity for writing those beautiful, melodic, memorable love songs. Isn't that what solo artists do?
Look what Robert Plant did outside Led Zeppelin, w/ his solo work.
Look at what Richie Blackmore did after Deep Purple.
We have to wonder what direction Terry Kath would have taken with Cook County?
And would his work have been loved or hated, as Peter's been vilified &hated.
Solo musicians need to follow their hearts and not be crucified for it, eh?
But it's a risk most are willing and maybe compelled to take.
An organ instead of brass? Not doing it for me.
Cetera sounds just fine here considering he's not a young man anymore
Time for Chicago to reconcile with Cetera & Seraphine for a reunion
Leonid is giving them a run for their money
Wow!
not a big fan of tuned down vocals;but peter can do it without changing his toneality.
The key of 25 or 6 to 4 is way off. But I assume.that is to accommodate Cetera's vocal range. But wow he sounds great. Yes I agree that if he and Danny could get back in the band it would be a wet dream. Both gentlemen still have "it". BTW Cetera's guitar player is no slouch either
Peter asked Chicago to drop it like that for the RRHOF, horns and all, and of course they refused. Peter then asked to bring his own band, which was also refused.
It was a dumb and disrespectful move for him to request to bring his band to the rock n roll hall of fame. He wasn't being inducted, Chicago was. It was also foolish for Chicago not to drop the key so Peter could sing the song at the rock hall of fame.
Did he want to change the key of "25 or 6 to 4" or something like that?
Lamm: Yeah, and it's not like a half step either way. He wanted to drop it down from A to E. So it's a big jump. [Drops voice] That's down here. And normally, if it's just a four-piece band you can do it, but with horns, you got to transfer those… It's not something that we wanted to do for a one-off.
www.rollingstone.com/music/features/chicagos-robert-lamm-talks-peter-cetera-absence-at-rock-hall-20160409
It would be rough to transfer the horns. That would sound really weird. Oh well.
I blame them both. You do what you have to do for the fans who helped make you wealthy.
That's if you actually believe Chicago. Watching their documentary, there's so much crap spewed about former members that I think they embellished the truth on this. None of Peter Cetera's public statements say anything about wanting to bring his own band. What is public is that the band refused to change the key; and the band also refused to change to another song too.
Sing it, Peter!!
He is “Chicago”.
No, Chicago is Chicago. Peter was just a part of the greatness.
The heart and soul of the band was without a doubt the late, great Terry Kath
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FANTABULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
He’s still got it at seventy-four.
It's great, but man would I love it with the horns!
Focus!
Come on, Peter just you and Danny ----one final tour!! with the guys.
Now I understand that as people get older their voices can change, look at Jon Bon Jovi. But if he can sing Stronger in its original key, with higher notes, why cant he sing 25 or 6 to 4 in its original key? This one just does not sound right.
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Aging is an unfortunate fact of life, but it beats the alternative. This song really needs the brass, but at least the audience didn't have to watch Jimmy Pankow gyrating on stage like an elderly pervert.
I am glad that someone thinks Pankow is an attention hog! I wish Robert Lamm had his confidence.
Robert Lamm has plenty of confidence, just not as much as Peter Cetera.
I also think Pankow is an absolute show-off who completely makes a total fool of himself on stage. Always has been and back in the 70's many times appeared on stage without a shirt which was disgusting. He has a huge ego problem and wants to be the center of attention at any price.
In the 70s & 80s he could have lead the Village People with his hair and lack of clothes!
I have to give Pankow credit for being the primary arranger for the brass and for writing some really nice tunes (my personal favorite is "Now That You've Gone" from Chicago V), but I always thought that he was envious of the attention that Kath and Cetera got from the band's fans and tried to overcompensate for it on stage.
Isn’t silly that the guys couldn’t have agreed to do Feeling Stronger at the RR HOF? Peter nailed it here...
Okay, I get it. The high notes aren't is easier to hit anymore, so drop the key half a step; that I can let slide. But damn, 25 or 6 to 4 sounded like the key for a baritone vocal. Here's a thought, just don't do the damn song. Do one of your little Cher or Amy Grant songs instead.
Why did Chicago fire Mr Cetera?
I think it was Peter Cetera left the band. Danny Seraphine was fired.
@@roberthayden3741 wow, never knew that b4hand, how and why did Chicago fire its co-founder btw? 🤔
Danny wrote a book, it's titled Street Player, and he was going through a difficult time personally and his drumming wasn't as technically proficient as it once was. Rather than working with him to help him the band members voted to fire him and he was shocked by that decision. Today he has a new band, California Transit Authority and it's obvious Danny is back at the top of his game. I have a number of California Transit Authority videos posted. Hope you can enjoy some of them.
@@roberthayden3741 Thanks . 🤗
The amazing Tania Hancheroff on vocals!
Where are the horns? 25 or 6 to 4 sounded like "Gimme some loving."
Where in Florida was this?
Lack of horns also make singing more difficult.
25 or 6 to 4 is in a ridiculous key.
Peter - Can't you do it in at least G?
... You're still good, though ... Don't get me wrong.
its ashame the bitterness/ hate between cetera & chicago, should have put their ego’s aside like collins & genesis did
he sounds great!! The Lamm, Cetera, Serpahine, Parazaider, Pankow, and Loughnane can just do everyone a favor and do a couple nights in Chicago for charity, let bygones be bygones, and understand that the music is more important than whatever trivial BS they shared. If they have to drop down a key or two here and there, so what. They created magic together, and while they are still somewhat able, they should do it!
as should classic lineups of GFR, BS&T, Eagles, Tull, Doobies, Guess Who...
Bill and Keith too
Wow! Is he singing 25 or 6 to 4 a full octave lower than original?
Sounds like it. Definitely a much lower key.
It's almost like he's not Peter Cetera without him playing the bass. :)
I was glad to see Peter in May 2016. He and his band performed well. However, wearing a suit is (was) a Tony Bennett or Frank Sinatra thing. It’s not rock and roll. Look up Peter at the 1970 Tanglewood concert. That’s Rock and Roll!
Yes, the suit doesn't fit a rock and roll image for sure. I think later in his career Peter saw himself more as a pure singer than a rocker. I first saw Peter in concert in October 1970 and he was a very good bass player in a great rock band and he looked it. They did the same set as they did at Tanglewood that summer. Seeing him perform Dialogue with Terry Kath live in concert cannot be duplicated. I always thought a trio of Peter, Terry Kath and Danny Seraphine would have been as good as any rock trio ever such as the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Rush or Cream.
Too low of a key for 25 or 6 to 4
NOT Chicago!!!!
True, and neither is Chicago any more.
You cannot have a Chicago song without the horns, period. Sorry.
Out of oxygen at the bridge...no spring chicken though.
Peter murders his songs by being either late or early with his singing.
25 or 6 to 4 doesn't sound right down two octaves, that's depressing
Two octaves? Come now, he's not singing it like Barry White.
At First Peter Cetera was going to show up at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame awards, but what I understand they had a little discrepancy when Robert was talking to him about doing 25 or 6 to 4 and Peter wanted to drop it down two octaves is what I had heard and Robert Lamm didn't want to change the song like that dropping it down two octaves.. so Peter refused to show up,, it's not like they could have done some other songs,, I don't get it myself,, just relaying to you what I had heard.. it sucks that he didn't show up especially for that reason, and I kind of blame Robert Lamm for that ,they could have agreed on another song.
Remember when Peter Cetera was cool and had a cool band?
Who knew Bill Clinton could sing?
Peter Cetera looking like President Clinton!?! LOL! Bill plays sax. Peter, like Gov. Huckabee, plays bass. Rabbi Derrick Whitt of Beit T'filah plays in two bands and plays bass though his voice range is more like Benjamin Orr of blessed memory.
OK Pete, this sounds fine...still needs horns.
Lame without the horns.
I thought this guy died because when I seen Chicago he was not there..wow!
He's been gone for more than three decades.
james lujack How old are you?
Lol
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I don't get the hard-on for Cetera. He QUIT. 30 years ago. That's on him. He's not John Bonham where the group decided they didn't want to move on without him. He QUIT. Chicago moved on with other singers. He's far from God's gift to the bass guitar, OR the second coming of the world's greatest vocalist. He's also NOT Chicago. Chicago is Pankow, Parazaider, Loughnane, Lamm, Howland, Hermann, Reyes, Yslas, Pardini, Donnell, and Simons.
Sorry but Chicago is Pankow, Parazaider, Loughnane, Lamm, Cetera, Seraphine and Kath and later with Laudir De Olivera. Any other lineup is just a substitute. Led Zeppelin knew the band died with Bonham, Chicago didn't realize the band died with Terry Kath and they just formed a different band with the same name. A pretty good band but not the original Chicago.
@@roberthayden3741 I get it, gramps. You haven't turned on a radio or the TV since 1977. Chicago still exists. No idea about any cover bands, but of course, they can't use the Chicago name. Only the original can do that. Cetera wished he could be a big star, but failed miserably, which is why he's stuck doing only Chicago songs, and pretending he is still capable of playing a bass for more than one song. If you really want a good laugh, you should see how he begged Chicago to try to sing the old songs as their bass singer, since he can't sing high notes anymore. You should really try to get up with the times, geezer. Did you have one of your great grandkids help you out with that new-fangled computer thing, or do you still have the Tandy? Segregation ended, America had a black President and a life-long failure as President. America has a woman vice president. The world has changed since before you entered the nursing home, old fart. You sound so ignorant spouting off on things of which you know nothing. Get with the present day, old codger.
@@DIESEL0759 Aww, baby millennial get a wrong latte order so he throws a tantrum and is lashing out? Do you have the belief that the only opinion in the world that counts is your own? You seem to be remarkably ignorant, or at least severely musically challenged, that you can't even hear the difference between Terry Kath, Donny Dacus, Dawayne Bailey and Keith Howland. You never went to a Terry Kath Chicago concert, did you? So it's you who are spouting off on things you know nothing about. Why don't you stop watching He Man cartoons and go to a Mickey Dolenz concert, Jeremy Diesel0759, so you can pretend it's a Monkees concert ( ua-cam.com/video/1-Tr84XfJoI/v-deo.html ) like you pretend seeing Lamm and Pankow is actually seeing the real Chicago. All they have are legal rights to the name now, not the ability to play like the Chicago with Terry Kath and Peter Cetera.
I thought Cetera wanted to go solo to do his own stuff every time I see him all he does is Chicago songs,just a real phony.
He did do his own stuff, but mixed the songs with his solo stuff. Also people forget Cetera liked Lamms songwriting (up till 1974) and though Cetera cowrote "Feeling Stronger Everyday " with Pankow. He never really did the songs Pankow wrote as a soloist because in a 1992 interview Cetera said he didn't like Pankows type of songs. The song "Skin Tight" written by Pankow on Chicago X ( Cetera said was a 'piece of garbage" but singing was my job so I had to do it.),A good example of evidence.
I thought that was Bill Clinton for a moment?.
JBL G Please don't compare Peter to Bill Clinton. Yuck!
He should just stop the crap and go back with his band Chicago, they were buddies a long time, ridiculous to have those kind of grudges and bring back Danny for one last go around here, come on Chicago do it for the music if nothing else. It definitely would be a dream come true for me.
Can you name a single solitary person who has ever left that band and rejoined? I don't think the problem is exclusively with him ...
DracIsBack AMEN!
The man is great,been a fan since 1970,happy to see him still rockin,but you people must be deaf,he sounds like turd.he,s not even close to how he used to sound.but I still enjoy him,and everyone gets older.
Joan W Turd? That's pretty rough. Do you look and sound like you did 30+ years ago? I doubt it very much.
first, get rid of the suit ... THIS IS R&R !!!
second, 25 or 6 to 4 sounds like a bad karaoke band !!
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What’s next, “Cetera sings the American Songbook: The Standards”?
You gotta love it, though! 🤠
Sad..sad.... don't do the oldies. You ain't gotter anymore...
Anyone know why Peter Cetera has a second Bass Player performing as well as playing the bass himself? There's usually only need for one Bass Player.
That’s very common practice to cover for any gaps during a live performance.
Peter only plays bass during the encore.
@@luisalonsoecheverria I guess it makes sense, frees up his space for singing.
Because he's not playing it like you'd think he would. You see this a lot with older guitar and bass players.