lort88 Because it's ... funny? Crossfit HQ plays that clip often in Crossfit vids. Anyone with a sense of humor would, at least, chuckle hearing him spazz out like that. Lighten. Up. Bro.
I take it we'll be changing the wall ball standard from a 10 foot target for everyone to an equal distance above each athlete's outstretched hands then, making it relative and equitable?
I agree. The lines should have been marked lower. I bet both redo this workout and I bet there will be tons of inflated scores from people not getting no repped at their boxes.
hmong mncom ummm, no, it just means his hands were too wide. those lines were set up for each athlete at a standard. bring your hands closer together and your feet will go higher.
tallcip65 no, those lines were set based on each individual athlete. the lines aren't too high, his hands were too far apart which makes a HSPU easier. Bring your hands closer together and your feet will go higher.
Yeah but there has never been a standard set for any movement that would determine the width of your hand placement, grip, stance etc. The placing of the thumbs together while standing to set the line does not take into account the differences in our body structures. My shoulder are very wide compared to my hips. If I stand with my feet at hip width but turn upside down and stand on my hands at shoulder width the mark will not match. Id have to do hspus with a narrower than shoulder width hand placement to reach my mark.
And vice versa. If your hips are very wide compared to your shoulders you get to stand with a short wide base to set your mark while performing the hspus on a narrower taller base. Giving you an advantage.
Fucking bullshit. Josh did like a million reps without stopping. The standard didnt work. I dont think the measuring and 3 inches makes sense. Granted its a hard movement to judge but cmon josh got screwed.
Ryan CrawCour I dont know if his hands were that much wider the scotts. Just seemed that Scott could easily get over the tape while bridges was holding his pushup longer and straining to get there. I think the arch in the back killed him later on, but the position of the tape and your judges strictness is going to be huge. Scott did a good job I just want to see bridges do better.
Ryan CrawCour If you pause it at 34:17 you can see that scotts hands really cant go much wider and he has an arch in his back but his feet are still above the line.Only one workout, im sure it will play out fine.
Well, if you watch the first two rounds, Josh's feet were as comfortably over the line as Scott's were. After that, his form changed, whether that was hand position and/or body bend. I think the standard if just going to enforce consistent, stricter form for this exercise.
Perhaps the measuring stance should have been with feet at shoulder width instead of hip width. I think that would have made the margin a little easier for the judges to see.
I just did 15.4 in my box and this standard screwed me just like it screwed Josh. I can bounce out 20 "usual" HSPU easily but THIS....is just a different world. I had to stretch my body so much, it just felt unnatural -.-
A lot of strong opinions on the handstand pushup line. Josh was able to clear it early, then his form seemed to change, which changed his heel position. And, based on the standard, it looks like he should have gotten tons more no-reps then he actually did.
I love Crossfit. Train at a great gym. But seriously...what is the point of KIPPING handstand pushups? Is there nothing sacred? Just decrease the reps and do it strict...
Its a crossfit workout not a bodybuilding/powerlifting workout. The point is getting the reps as fast and efficiently as possible in the time. So strict hspu are pointless.
'The point is getting reps as fast an efficiently as possible'. Understand that. What I'm questioning is the physical merits of putting an upwards hip thrust into a handstand push up. Crossfit HQ emphasises functionality. I cannot see the functional use of putting in such a hip thrust into what should be an exercise to develop shoulder strength. Some things just shouldn't be kipped.
CrossFit® Thanks for engaging. Probably just by looking at what the particular exercise is intended to develop or benefit. The only possibly reason for kipping a handstand pushup is to turn it into something you can do for high reps, i.e. to gas you. So by adding the kip we're turning the handstand pushup into a cardio workout. Is that really getting the best out of a handstand pushup? Would you kip a regular pushup? No, of course not. A tight core is crucial to good pushup form, just as it should be for good handstand pushup form. If you kept it strict with a low rep range you get the best out of what a handstand pushup is supposed to be a test of - core and shoulder strength. Same can be said of ring dips. What functional role does a hip drive play in a properly executed ring dip other than to allow the athlete to skip over part of the full range of motion?
why does the logo have to take up so much screen room would be nice if they are going to broadcast the lead up to the main event that we should atleast be able to watch it,cant somebody sort that out jeeez!!
The tape line seemed about 1/2" too short for Josh. It was almost like if he's toes weren't perpendicular to the board, then he was too short. Definitely something new to get used to! Athletes beware, I could see a lot of video submissions DQ'd for that.
Look Bridges at the beginning no problem with leg extension, later he changed hands position and he was a bit shorter till end, so I don't blame judge, its his fault. Anyway hes gonna re-do it and he's gonna be better then Panchik :)
Why is everyone defending josh? He was hitting the standard till the round of 12. It was his fault. The standard was reasonable and achievable as proved by his earlier rounds.
The line is not fair across the board. Everyone does not have the same arms, legs, torso length. Bridges was cheated out of many reps. Silly thing to add
If you compare Dave Castro with Josh Bridges, you can see that they are both very similar in how they act. They are both stern and use cuss words often. I suppose it's from their military experience back then(I believe they were both Navy Seals?)
Classic!! ... NICOLE CARROLL is commentating and at 42min and 05sec she shouts "Dig In" AND THE LITTLE KID TO THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN DIGS IN AND HELPS HERSELF TO A TASTY BOOGER!!! TIMING DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THEN THIS.
A lot of Crossfitters' handstands could use work. Not keeping the midline tight and the legs together makes a handstand harder to control and less efficient, especially when walking in a handstand....
Josh was hitting them fine until he started arching his back and spread his hands. I thought the tape was too high at first but after rewatching it was his form that gave out well before Scott's. This standard really asks for perfection so there is no room for Josh or Scott to cheat the reps even a little.
Far too technical with the rep scheme and the HSPU standard. HQ is seriously overthinking it at this point. What was the most talked about Open WOD of all time? 14.5: thrusters and burpees. Keep it simple.
All these personalized measures are really in favor of dwarfs. If you are as tall as 6'6'' or more, it's really hard to put your arms in any feasible position at all without losing these 3 inches... that's basic anatomy and geometry.
Arekkusu777 there should some compensation in 15.5 - maybe "7min AMRAP Burpees to a 10-feet-high-target (scaled: 9 feet) - usage of hanging rope allowed"
Jesus Jeffery I think since this is technically a games event he probably got told he had to use Reebok shoes. I think it's crap but there isn't a lot you can do unless all the Nike athletes turned down the open workout invites.
Sean Sullivan whats he going to do at the games in Carson? I think I remember seeing a video from a few years ago where they were making athletes black out logos on their lifting belts and knee sleeves at the games.
tallcip65 At the games they'll just make him wear nano's again, and they have to cover logos on anything else they wear that isn't Reebok. If you watch the behind the scenes videos from last year games Sevan talks to Josh about how he can't wear Nike shoes. I do remember a few athletes wearing Nike weightlifting shoes in the 2013 games without covering up the logos but I don't think that would be allowed now.
***** It's different because they still get to pick their own shoes in the NFL and NBA as I stated. There isn't a sport in the world where they tell you what brand of shoe you can or cannot wear. Crossfit athletes having to wear the Reebok shoes and shorts isn't an issue to me but making them wear a shoe that they don't regularly train in is idiotic.
I just threw up a little. So before crossfit started making things up there was a sport called weightlifting. A clean is cathing below parallel. A power clean is above parallel. A "squat clean" is a redundant term whicb doesnt really mean anything.
Ryan Lineberger The term squat clean is redundant, but there are so many variations of the clean. Its best to be explicit. Also it was explained about 4 minutes after the workout was announced that it could be any clean. Pay attention buddy.
if the point of this ridiculous standard is really to make sure hands dont go wide, then why not just give them a narrower box to keep their hands in? Because the next logical progression of this is some sort of trig calculation to decide how far apart your hands can be during pullups. It's the exact same concept. And if the concern about short people having less distance for full ROM, then let's re-calibrate wall balls so that everyone is throwing the same distance from their outstretched arms to the target, place it three feet or whatever above their outstretched hands, so the target is adjusted for everyone the same way this ridiculous heel-line is. The point is, judging should be an objective, simple, replicable way to count a rep. It should not have to make it so that all movements cover the exact relative distance for every single athlete. sometimes you will be good at things because you have a certain body type and sometimes you will suck. that's life.
What is very disappointing is the music with explicit language. There are children in the crowd and probably others who do not appreciate that choice of music. I like strong music with a good beat when working out but whoever is putting these events together needs to use better judgement and evaluate their audience. In private workouts you can listen to anything you choose and no one has the right to judge you. But this wasn't exactly private and kids in elementary school deserve a better example.
Scaled:
10 push presses and 10 cleans, 8 min AMRAP.
Men push press 95 lb. and clean 115 lb.
Women push press 65 lb. and clean 75 lb.
Mara R Are we allowed to use two bars?
haha 115 clean
Hangrax yes
Whenever I see that clip of Josh Bridges' "FUCK YEAH!" from the 2014 Games, I say it along with him and laugh. Can't help it.
lort88 Because it's ... funny? Crossfit HQ plays that clip often in Crossfit vids. Anyone with a sense of humor would, at least, chuckle hearing him spazz out like that. Lighten. Up. Bro.
Man this is going to be a nightmare for HQ. Not sure what they were thinking.. Bridges wasn't even going that wide on the HSPUs
I take it we'll be changing the wall ball standard from a 10 foot target for everyone to an equal distance above each athlete's outstretched hands then, making it relative and equitable?
Amazing stuff guys. This is kicking butt. What a takeover on most sports. It is booming and you are doing a fantastic job at making this real.
That's a no rep? He was fully stretched. That line clearly was marked too high.
I agree. The lines should have been marked lower. I bet both redo this workout and I bet there will be tons of inflated scores from people not getting no repped at their boxes.
hmong mncom ummm, no, it just means his hands were too wide. those lines were set up for each athlete at a standard. bring your hands closer together and your feet will go higher.
tallcip65 no, those lines were set based on each individual athlete. the lines aren't too high, his hands were too far apart which makes a HSPU easier. Bring your hands closer together and your feet will go higher.
Yeah but there has never been a standard set for any movement that would determine the width of your hand placement, grip, stance etc. The placing of the thumbs together while standing to set the line does not take into account the differences in our body structures. My shoulder are very wide compared to my hips. If I stand with my feet at hip width but turn upside down and stand on my hands at shoulder width the mark will not match. Id have to do hspus with a narrower than shoulder width hand placement to reach my mark.
And vice versa. If your hips are very wide compared to your shoulders you get to stand with a short wide base to set your mark while performing the hspus on a narrower taller base. Giving you an advantage.
Really excited to watch the #crossfitgames
Bridges' scream at 16:40 is just legendary.
Fucking bullshit. Josh did like a million reps without stopping. The standard didnt work. I dont think the measuring and 3 inches makes sense. Granted its a hard movement to judge but cmon josh got screwed.
Eric Nord because he had his hands too wide making the HSPU easier. bring your hands in and your legs go higher.
Ryan CrawCour I dont know if his hands were that much wider the scotts. Just seemed that Scott could easily get over the tape while bridges was holding his pushup longer and straining to get there. I think the arch in the back killed him later on, but the position of the tape and your judges strictness is going to be huge. Scott did a good job I just want to see bridges do better.
Ryan CrawCour If you pause it at 34:17 you can see that scotts hands really cant go much wider and he has an arch in his back but his feet are still above the line.Only one workout, im sure it will play out fine.
Well, if you watch the first two rounds, Josh's feet were as comfortably over the line as Scott's were. After that, his form changed, whether that was hand position and/or body bend. I think the standard if just going to enforce consistent, stricter form for this exercise.
senorgato70 Yeah I noticed that the second time around. Could be right I guess
Here is a crazy idea.....Put Chris Spealler in as the Director of the Games and get rid of Dave Castro.
Kind of petty that they won't let Bridges wear Nike's.
Perhaps the measuring stance should have been with feet at shoulder width instead of hip width. I think that would have made the margin a little easier for the judges to see.
Problem with the height of the mark for bridges.
I just did 15.4 in my box and this standard screwed me just like it screwed Josh. I can bounce out 20 "usual" HSPU easily but THIS....is just a different world. I had to stretch my body so much, it just felt unnatural -.-
A lot of strong opinions on the handstand pushup line. Josh was able to clear it early, then his form seemed to change, which changed his heel position. And, based on the standard, it looks like he should have gotten tons more no-reps then he actually did.
Excited to see Miranda Oldroyd's comeback story!
Better to make lines where the arms have to be inside, like the regionals 2012 event 1
why is there a big reebok graphic blocking most of the video making it hard to watch?
I love Crossfit. Train at a great gym. But seriously...what is the point of KIPPING handstand pushups? Is there nothing sacred? Just decrease the reps and do it strict...
What's the point of running when you could just walk?
There have been other Games workouts where strict HSPU were a requirement.
Its a crossfit workout not a bodybuilding/powerlifting workout. The point is getting the reps as fast and efficiently as possible in the time. So strict hspu are pointless.
'The point is getting reps as fast an efficiently as possible'.
Understand that. What I'm questioning is the physical merits of putting an upwards hip thrust into a handstand push up. Crossfit HQ emphasises functionality. I cannot see the functional use of putting in such a hip thrust into what should be an exercise to develop shoulder strength.
Some things just shouldn't be kipped.
CrossFit® Thanks for engaging. Probably just by looking at what the particular exercise is intended to develop or benefit. The only possibly reason for kipping a handstand pushup is to turn it into something you can do for high reps, i.e. to gas you. So by adding the kip we're turning the handstand pushup into a cardio workout. Is that really getting the best out of a handstand pushup? Would you kip a regular pushup? No, of course not. A tight core is crucial to good pushup form, just as it should be for good handstand pushup form. If you kept it strict with a low rep range you get the best out of what a handstand pushup is supposed to be a test of - core and shoulder strength.
Same can be said of ring dips. What functional role does a hip drive play in a properly executed ring dip other than to allow the athlete to skip over part of the full range of motion?
Where's the behind the scenes for 15.4?
why does the logo have to take up so much screen room would be nice if they are going to broadcast the lead up to the main event that we should atleast be able to watch it,cant somebody sort that out jeeez!!
The tape line seemed about 1/2" too short for Josh. It was almost like if he's toes weren't perpendicular to the board, then he was too short. Definitely something new to get used to! Athletes beware, I could see a lot of video submissions DQ'd for that.
What were the scaled exercises and weights?? Didnt understand that
Great video
Is there any more info on the Teen crossfit games?
Is a five minute mile just a sub six minute mile? or is it five minutes flat or less?
Are all of these events in Portland?
Look Bridges at the beginning no problem with leg extension, later he changed hands position and he was a bit shorter till end, so I don't blame judge, its his fault. Anyway hes gonna re-do it and he's gonna be better then Panchik :)
Why is everyone defending josh? He was hitting the standard till the round of 12. It was his fault. The standard was reasonable and achievable as proved by his earlier rounds.
This will go down as the most ridiculous standard.
I wonder that did the guy told Bridges' judge at 24:25. Probably "tell him to place his hanfs right" or "stop nit picking" haha
The line is not fair across the board. Everyone does not have the same arms, legs, torso length. Bridges was cheated out of many reps. Silly thing to add
If you compare Dave Castro with Josh Bridges, you can see that they are both very similar in how they act. They are both stern and use cuss words often. I suppose it's from their military experience back then(I believe they were both Navy Seals?)
***** ain't it?
Classic!! ... NICOLE CARROLL is commentating and at 42min and 05sec she shouts "Dig In" AND THE LITTLE KID TO THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN DIGS IN AND HELPS HERSELF TO A TASTY BOOGER!!! TIMING DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THEN THIS.
Next week will be burpee boxjumps
A lot of Crossfitters' handstands could use work. Not keeping the midline tight and the legs together makes a handstand harder to control and less efficient, especially when walking in a handstand....
You should never kip in anything...but no repping a guy based on where his feet are on the wall is BS when his arms are at full extension.
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Is it me or Josh try hard to hide that he's pissed ?
P.S. Sorry for my english. I'm from Québec. Go Camille ! ;)
Josh was hitting them fine until he started arching his back and spread his hands. I thought the tape was too high at first but after rewatching it was his form that gave out well before Scott's. This standard really asks for perfection so there is no room for Josh or Scott to cheat the reps even a little.
Far too technical with the rep scheme and the HSPU standard. HQ is seriously overthinking it at this point.
What was the most talked about Open WOD of all time? 14.5: thrusters and burpees.
Keep it simple.
All these personalized measures are really in favor of dwarfs. If you are as tall as 6'6'' or more, it's really hard to put your arms in any feasible position at all without losing these 3 inches... that's basic anatomy and geometry.
konfusus well crossfit is really a "dwarf" "sport" and you know it :D
Arekkusu777 there should some compensation in 15.5 - maybe "7min AMRAP Burpees to a 10-feet-high-target (scaled: 9 feet) - usage of hanging rope allowed"
well, they can try to compensate and they been doing it :) but its "hard" to change physics
konfusus that is horribly ossum
Josh Bridges is like a miniature Hulks..
Watching this again makes me realize Josh should have got way more NO REP's
I feel desperate about Bridges! I just want to go back in time and tell him to his ears "put your hands closer"
Bridges had to use reebok shoes? what happened with his Nike's metcon
Jesus Jeffery I think since this is technically a games event he probably got told he had to use Reebok shoes. I think it's crap but there isn't a lot you can do unless all the Nike athletes turned down the open workout invites.
Sean Sullivan whats he going to do at the games in Carson? I think I remember seeing a video from a few years ago where they were making athletes black out logos on their lifting belts and knee sleeves at the games.
tallcip65 At the games they'll just make him wear nano's again, and they have to cover logos on anything else they wear that isn't Reebok. If you watch the behind the scenes videos from last year games Sevan talks to Josh about how he can't wear Nike shoes. I do remember a few athletes wearing Nike weightlifting shoes in the 2013 games without covering up the logos but I don't think that would be allowed now.
***** In the NBA and NFL you have to wear a certain uniform, but you sure as hell get to pick your own shoes.
***** It's different because they still get to pick their own shoes in the NFL and NBA as I stated. There isn't a sport in the world where they tell you what brand of shoe you can or cannot wear. Crossfit athletes having to wear the Reebok shoes and shorts isn't an issue to me but making them wear a shoe that they don't regularly train in is idiotic.
90% of the HSPU from josh is NO REP =S
That s a good idea to avoid horrible form hspu arching the back put the legs out etc but hard to say to an athlete how s fully extended 'no rep'
Bridges got robbed seriously, the tape makes no sense. should just go by locking out.
Oh oh, Josh looks very frustrated after this one. I bet he redo it even on the same day. ;)
What song is that at 14:11
Hey Dave, I was watching this with my kids until your foul language played you out of bounds! What a jack, dude! This is a family sport.
Uhh. Id give them all 0 reps since the rules said clean and they all did power cleans.
Didn't specify what certain clean, so they could even squat clean if needed...
I just threw up a little. So before crossfit started making things up there was a sport called weightlifting. A clean is cathing below parallel. A power clean is above parallel. A "squat clean" is a redundant term whicb doesnt really mean anything.
Lol. Nope.
Yeah. Thats a clean.
Ryan Lineberger The term squat clean is redundant, but there are so many variations of the clean. Its best to be explicit. Also it was explained about 4 minutes after the workout was announced that it could be any clean. Pay attention buddy.
if the point of this ridiculous standard is really to make sure hands dont go wide, then why not just give them a narrower box to keep their hands in?
Because the next logical progression of this is some sort of trig calculation to decide how far apart your hands can be during pullups. It's the exact same concept.
And if the concern about short people having less distance for full ROM, then let's re-calibrate wall balls so that everyone is throwing the same distance from their outstretched arms to the target, place it three feet or whatever above their outstretched hands, so the target is adjusted for everyone the same way this ridiculous heel-line is.
The point is, judging should be an objective, simple, replicable way to count a rep. It should not have to make it so that all movements cover the exact relative distance for every single athlete. sometimes you will be good at things because you have a certain body type and sometimes you will suck. that's life.
What is very disappointing is the music with explicit language. There are children in the crowd and probably others who do not appreciate that choice of music. I like strong music with a good beat when working out but whoever is putting these events together needs to use better judgement and evaluate their audience. In private workouts you can listen to anything you choose and no one has the right to judge you. But this wasn't exactly private and kids in elementary school deserve a better example.
not even strict hspu? -.-
This is not a nice WOD 😞
Jesus I see so many hashtags lmao! #fitlife lol
because he's a nike athlete.
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so unfar
This must be the worst workout ever..