1980s BRAT PACK Fallout: Actor CONFRONTS Writer Over Infamous Article That Destroyed Careers
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David Bloom taking credit for the success of Saint Elmo‘s Fire says everything you need to know about that man. Self promoting, narcissistic, egotistical person. Jealous that people younger than him were making much more money and were more famous and recognizable in public. He is the epitome of everybody who sees people around them gain success and then tries to bring them down to their level, simply out of spite.
It’s disgusting and the craziest part is he didn’t even need to do it because he was already successful himself. But not in a way that made him a public figure to most and that’s what ate him up inside. Because he wasn’t part of that group and an object of the public affection, he decided he was going to try to bring them down a peg and try to destroy their careers. I’m surprised he didn’t take credit for that with a smile on his face. Which he kind of did anyways.
Back in the 80s he was some angry dork. 2024 he still is. Like many of us who grew up in 80s we love these movies. We like these guys and girls who were in The brat pack. Some dweeb named Bloom decides to attack . still never got the girl !
Blum Isa first class jerk and Isa real narcissistic.
@@writersloane He wrote a portrait of 80's-style fame as experienced by youg cubs. Had he taken an admiring tone, thearticle would be a puff piece.
@@writersloane It was just a play on words. Calling young actors "brat" isn't that mean spirited compared to stuff you see in social media, today. He was just trying to be funny like he said. It isn't his fault the public or the actors overreacted to it. The actors that had more talent still had good careers.
@@Daniel-sh3osalthough I feel it was ridiculous of him to take credit for SEF'S success I think you're right. Those kids had the entire world kissing their butts 24/7 and one little snarky article shook some of them pretty hard it seems. If they had played into it instead of being so serious about it the result would have been much better. It didn't ruin anyone's career either. The law of hollywood averages played out where a couple stayed relevant and others faded.
When Blum tried to take partial credit for the film's success, I wish Andrew would have thrown right back at him that his article sold magazines because of its subjects. Not because he wrote it.
Andrew's laugh was very dismissive tho
That is so true. McCarthy took the high road and showed class. I thought Blum hasn't matured, is an arrogant tabloid writer who hasn't grown from the dude who set up Estevez who was barely out of his teens.
he is trying so hard to scale back the nastiness of that article, what an utter arse tart.
Andrew McCarthy is a much kinder and gentler person than I am. And I think it’s difficult to come off his pain of it all and let loose his anger. Plus, he’s a true class act. More obvious in this interview with such a crass, arrogant little man.
*Blum represents modern day "journalists". Never let a good ACCURATE story get in the way of a hit piece*
That's sad. Emilio was probably my favorite of them in the 80s
There's nothing sad about it. He proceeded to get gargatuan roles up through the early 90's and two that blew up so big they had sequels.
I'm pretty sure Blum got more milage out of that piece than any of the people profiled. His name is a lame piece of trivia.
I bet he would've joined the Pack as a member in a heartbeat.
The funny thing is, they won't work with each other to this day because they know the media will just be like, 'Two Brat Packers Reunite to make new movie" and the focus would be on them and not the movie.
But what they should do is embrace that. They should ALL reunite to start making a SERIES of Brat Pack movies: comedies and dramas, all staring, written by, directed by, produced by, the Brat Pack.
People would eat it up, and this time, they WOULD have the control that they were accused of having in the article.
lol no, you seem unhinged
I’d pay good money for that.
“If you can’t do it, teach it, if you can’t teach it, write about it.” This defines people like David Blum.
That’s a meaningless platitude. It’s just not true and devalues the importance of skilled people passing on those skills in the form of teaching. It’s also a convenient way to brush away criticism. Nobody is above critique, and fan boys like you can pontificate nonsense all you want but it doesn’t make that critic wrong. Hollywood doesn’t reward hard work it rewards those who are connected. This is why most of the new young stars are the children of famous actors.
I"m disappointed in not hearing from Anthony Michael Hall.
Yeah, what’s up with that?
He’s done breakfast club reunion events with a couple of the actors…look for those videos to get a glimpse into what he thinks of that era
i was disappointed that he didnt spend more time with ally sheedy
i sstill have a crush on her
He should’ve been included in this as he and Molly Ringwald were the youngest or babies of this special/ unique acting ensemble!!!
He declined to be in the documentary, said he hasn’t even watched it.
Jud Nelson looked about 30 when he done The Breakfast Club.
St. Elmo's Fire came out the same year.
Nelson was 25 when he made The Breakfast Club.
@@NJGuy1973 Yeah and Molly Ringwald was only 17 and Nelson harrassed Ringwald to the point during the production where Hughes almost fired him! The cast begged Hughes not to fire Judd Nelson. His character was also the inspiration for Nelson on The Simpsons LOL! Paul from The Wonder Years was the inspiration for Barts friend Milhouse. 🤔🤓🤯👍
@@NJGuy1973 Actually he was 26!🙆🙋♂🕵🕺
@@SuperMarioBrosIII Not to be a nitpicker, but he was 25 yrs 3 mos old when Breakfast Club was released in theaters.
Nelson born Nov 28 1959
Movie released Feb 1985
Woww....Emilio now looks exactly like his dad Martin! He was great in Young Gunz!
Martin use to Jog. I remember encountering Him, as He jogged aroung a Jogging Track near the outter edge of The Ambassador Hotel in LA. It was a shock since about a year prior, an AP Story - dateline Manila stated that Sheen had a Heart AttacK, while filming "Apocalypse Now" for Coppola (period) That seemed Final. Hence my shock to see a "dead man" Jogging. Sheen was there, on location,to play John Dean, in the TV Film - "Blind Ambition". Based on Dean's Book about the Nixon White House.
Andrew McCarthy has had tremendous success as a director, most notably directing his _Mannequin_ co-star James Spader in the hit series, _The Blacklist._
every Andrew Mccarthy role felt exactly the same to me, same with Ringwald. The only ones in my opinion that had any real talent were Sheedy, Demi Moore, and Judd Nelson and Anthony Michael Hall, Mare winningham too. But Mccarthy and Estevez and Lowe were highly overrated.
@@TheTurkaderr Those actors in their day were stars-hot property marketed to appeal to a teen-20s demographic, though at the time possessed very little range regarding acting chops. First break from the mold was Andrew McCarthy. Check out the movie, Stag (1997). McCarthy plays a very different role, away from his "nice guy who gets girl"-type of movie. He's unhinged and rather scary in that film.
@@TheTurkaderr He was kind of a wimpy cry baby... I mean he thinks he got ruined by a reporter but we were sick of him when he got a certain age... I don't mean too nm[be mean. Most people don't have charisma.. It's okay to lose it.
Look a the macula culkin kid. He doesn't have charisma anymore.
Molly rinmgwald only had it as a teen and she wasn't in sth article.. but her career went away too.
People need to blame and they don't understand they were lucky to begin with.
Jude law kept it up but I th nk he kept pounding the pavement.
Mannequin is one of my favorite movie ❤❤❤
‘They showed young people being taken seriously for the first time’.. …ummm James Dean made rebel without a cause in 1955 brah.
As he shows them acting like idiots on a table top!
American Graffiti also.
Shirley Temple and Elizabeth Taylor did this in the 1930s and 1940s.
yeah I was one generation behind this and when I was old enough to watch all of these films, I was very unimpressed. Hughes was hugely overrated to me, and they weren't doing anything that hadn't been done better before.
Ha
So Emilio Estevez has straight morphed into his dad
Young Martin looks exactly like young Emilio. Like father like son.
Melioooooooo!
Thinking the same thing
Now we can hope for an Apocalypse Now sequel.
Spitting image.
People like Blum are insanely jealous of people like these actors
That is really all you need to know.
And they wondered why we hated boomers so much. The level of unwarranted, jealous hatred toward our generation from them is unreal. Always has been.
Exactly. I never heard of him before this video, and as I write this I’ve already forgotten his name.
we are living in teh age of envy. Never before has so much materialism and ego been flaunted and envied.
🎯🎯🎯💯
@@jeffmaehre7150 you think narcissism and envy was as bad in the eighties? no... people lived in their own worlds back then. Now most people have versions of their friends and cohorts posted in front of them. Many people wear masks because they are ashamed of their faces. It's a sickness that comes from knowing too much about how you look.
We never know how we looked. Nobody can even be a nerd anymore. That's become a look. People can't be unselfish conscious.
Envy too because we have the woke ideology which is base off of envy... it tells people they are being oppressed and other pool eras more privileged than they are.
everyone is being pit against each other through a coordination of forces pushing identity politics.
Whatever political side you'e on, this is all obvious, isn't it?
I love Andrew McCarthy. I have even read his books. David Blum was a bit mean. My thoughts when watching the doc: BUT why hold onto this for 40 years? At this point, you're just whining like a brat. No need to revisit.
I like McCarthy but I get the vibe from him that he wanted to be a serious actor that was taken seriously in Hollywood. Which is ironic since he was one of the best comedies, Weekend at Bernies. 😂
And don't forget Weekend at Bernie's II
And Mannequin. He's good at comedy.
There's literally not a single laugh in Weekend At Bernies.
The movies these guys made were amazing. The 80s and early 90s had some of the most iconic movies made. I hated this article when it came out because I knew it was the beginning of the end. It’s a shame a few of them took it so badly. They had so much talent.
St. Elmo's Fire was hot garbage. It icked me oit in 1985 and I bet it comes off much worse now. A bunch of narcissistic recent college grads playing grown up. Not to mention that the Estevez character was a stalker who deserved a restraining order against him.
The breakfast club is one of my favourite movies ever , I just Love Alley Sheedy ! I adored her in short circuit! 💞👍🏻🥰👍🏻💞
The only people that labeled them "The Brat Pack" was the media because the fans never called any of them that. That shouldn't have cut so deep to Andrew they all managed to have great successes in their careers after those younger movies. Honestly who cares that some of those journalists thought it was funny us the fans that loved all the movies before and after and will always remember all those great movies from our youth.
💯 The media ran away with it. But it didn't change how people felt about the movies themselves.
I think they took themselves way too seriously
They were kids with millions of dollars riding on them. I'm sure most ppl would take themselves seriously in that situation.
Only in this bassackwards country could we make "drama" out of these people's lives.
Blum sounds like a jealous ex GF
He mentions to McCarthy he was the only one at the Hard Rock Cafe not getting any attention.
Yeah he sounds arrogant like oh I thought it was funny ha ha. He probably was jealous.
You let that have waaaay too much power over you!
nothing wrong with the phrase 'brat pack' , just love it. all of you were awesome!!
So I’m standing in a club waiting to use the bathroom when guess who turns around and tips his hat like this, and who do you think that guy was? EMILLIO ESTAVEZ the Might Duck man himself! I was all like Emillllliiiioooo!
🤣
The perfect comment 😂
@@koobs4549Every sentence is perfection in its absurdity.
Great movie great reference
I think the author was proud of the fact that he, in some way, was instrumental to the beginning of the end of the Brat Pack.
Well, if it forced them all to forge their own paths and not remain in alll of each other's movies, then the article did some good.
he wasn't. Andrew mccarthy just wasn't an interesting actor or character peele felt had charisma. being part of that group WAS his charisma. he just needs to find blame.
Estivez just got chubby and didn't;t look right for any parts after he lost his teenage look.
It wasn't because he was smeared.
he just isn't glamorous or coool looking.
these people think they are entitled.
@@MicahMicahel Brilliant. I feel the same way.
@@MicahMicahel It didn't stop James Spader, because quite simply, he had something about him.
@@TheTurkaderr they were in two movies together. Look how many movies ppl do together today. You got some sort of attitude with teen movies having talented young actors in them. What good came from ruining a few kids acting careers?
I don’t know how long it has been a thing but when I managed a movie theater, if I was shown a SAG card(all speaking actors have one), they would be let in for free. There is no shame in that since it is their industry
Jeez, can you imagine: working at McDonald's, eat at Wendy's free!
So true. I managed in Burbank and Century City and it was common for actors, NBA players, directors, producers and studio heads to watch for free as well as blocking off seats for them before letting the line in so they could enter after the lights went down to allow them to watch with the crowd undetected. They were not spoiled or entitled, just famous. The writer was so mean.
It's really sad what Bloom did if you think about it for a minute. Those of us who grew up back then we loved those movies. The folks in the brat pack were. Just a few years older then most of us who were teenagers in the 80s so we could seriously relate.
"... years of acting study." Mr. Blum's head would explode nowadays, then. Today you don't even need to have talent. "No talent, but you're gay? Let's give this kid a show!" "Not even one session in an acting workshop? Who cares, you're on tik tok!"
Perfectly said at lease the brat pack had talent. All of Emilo's films were interesting never dull. Now its all diversity and agenda politics over experience.
@@bartsullivan4866 THANK YOU! Yes. Its insane, I tell you! "Style over substance", and yet both style and substance, are almost indistinguishable from crap! I agree. Emilio's film contributions were never dull. Freejack and National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon are two of my favorites.
They really should have just capitalized on that sh**. I mean people are mean. You cant let some lame journalist define you. Really could have came back at him in interviews. Obviously the journalist was jealous and had to lower these kids to his level.
The article was way more catty than it needed to be.
As good or not as good actors they were they were young. None of them had any life experience. They were kinda forced to grow up in an industry they didn't understand. One could argue that didn't apply to Emilio. Rob and Demi seems to let it slide and just move on.
In hindsight they should have embraced it. Regardless of how Howie meant it these actors were the ones getting interviewed and I would have taken it as a compliment to be referred to the likes of Sinatra, Davis, Martin etc. A compliment that may not have been deserving at the time but something that we will try to live up to. Thanks Howie. Get it ? I blame their management team. They should have known how to spin this. Bottom line is the public lost I suspect some dam good movies because of all this nonsense.
We know of at least one cancelled project, "Young Man with Unlimited Capital." Emilio wistfully recalls the screenplay being good.
Who here thinks the writer was a jerk. He says it wasn't meant to be mean spirited, but that's BS. Jealous vibes for sure.
It was absolutely mean spirited. It's telling that he wrote the article working down from the title.
St Elmo's Fire succeeded because of this writer and had nothing to do with the cast and star power or the writing and directing of Joel Schumacher. Sure Barry
I always thought that , that article made them famous ? 🤔 And Molly was never a part of the brat pack . Molly , was John Hughes' muse . She was all over the talk show circuit on her own . Mare Winninghan was definitely a brat packer but she went on to be a powerful and constantly working , character actor . Andrew didn't have the " it " factor . He's bland , unexciting , almost dull . Esteves , went into production and directing so he found a niche . Also don't forget Johnny Depp , Brad Pitt , John Cusack , and River Phoenix , were competing for the same roles at that time .
Winningham was not part of the Pack. For one, she was only in St. Elmo's Fire. And 2) she wasn't friends with any of them and did not hang our with them. She was a few years older, AND had already started a family and had kids to look after. In fact, her weight gain on St.Elmo's is due to her having been pregnant at the time. That's why you see her weight fluctuate in films and TV work - at various times she was pregnant, or had just given birth etc. So no nights on the town with Estevez & co. for her.
Nobody associates Winningham with the pack as she wasn't a big name actor at the time. She took off time tp have kids so there were gaps in her career then and she lost out on bigger roles, I'm sure.
The others you mentioned weren't competing for the same roles at that time. Depp and Phoenix were years younger than Estevez, Lowe and especially Nelson who is far older than Depp and was maybe the oldest Brat Packer. Depp was in Nightmare on Elm Street but in the 80s, the low budget horror stuff was more for video and those actors weren't really getting offered big film roles because they were considered to be like C list (behind B list TV actors etc.). Depp didn't become a star until late 80s and it was on TV. And in 1985 when the Blum article was written, I don't think Depp was even acting yet.
Same goes for Pitt. Not yet a name. Did a guest role on TV soap Dallas in tje 80s and various TV movies and so on. He wasn't really known until his big break "Thelma and Louise", years after the Blum article.
John Cusack in the mid 80s was doing sort of B film stuff like "Better off Dead". It wasn't in the same leagues as a major film like "St. Elmo's" and "Breakfast Club." Not a star on the level of the other back in 1985. He didn't really start to move ahead until late 80s with the lead in "Say Anything" which was a pretty solid success I think. He's more of a 90s name.
Phoenix was way younger than any of those guys! He was what 14 or 15 when he came to attention in a major film, "Stand by Me" - around 1985 I think? Or 86. So he'd hardly be auditioning for roles alongside say, Estevez and Lowe in their early 20s or Nelson, who was over 25! in 1985. In fact, Phoenix played the YOUNGER brother of Molly Ringwald in a TV production (maybe 1985?).
@@SY-ok2dq I think Phoenix would have had a career similar to Johnny Depp's if he had lived. Sad that we lost him so young. Even in The Last Crusade that 20 minute opening was awesome the kid had talent.
@@bartsullivan4866 I don't think so. And the reason why I think that is because Phoenix was already thinking ahead to the day that he could retire and quit acting, not all that long before his unexpected death. Phoenix had told people that he wanted to stop, but that he needed to keep working until he had made enough money to buy property where everyone he was supporting financially (his siblings and parents and even a girlfriend of his) could live and he could ensure that everyone could be taken care of. Poor Phoenix was the family breadwinner from his earliest days as a child actor. And before that, the Phoenix kids were all part of a family street performing act that earned money for the family and parents to live on. You can't blame Phoenix, who was publicity shy, for wanting to quit and just live life free from the demands of being on set, doing publicity and interviews and dodging paparazzi, and earning more money to support others.
@@bartsullivan4866Phoenix would have had a career similar to Di Caprio’s. He probably would have developed a working relationship with a single director like Leo has with Scorsese.
Emilio looking more and more like his Dad every year.
He always did more than Charlie. He did a ton of films in the 80s and early 90's the guy never hurt finding work.
Early-mid 80's... My mom send me a letter with a newspaper cutout. It was a picture of this newcomer Emilio Estévez.
"This is Martin Sheen's son.
He looks like his dad!"
"Controversy sells" says it all. Blum didn't care then and still doesn't now. He's a journalist for sure. Truth does not exist in a journalist vocabulary. As long as it sells.
There's clearly something to be said about not letting crap bother you. Regardless of his indiscretions, Rob Lowe has always worked, and he has worse to deal with than articles.
Lucky he didn't go to prison for statutory, definitely 1st celebrity sex tape I can think of
@@electriceyeball don't know much about the specifics but it's Hollywood so no surprise she was young.
@@electriceyeball The age of consent was 14 in that state at the time.
Amen. Clearly McCarthy was obsessed with the label. He even wrote a book called "Brat."
@@hollywoodvulture it's easier to blame others for your (relative) lack of success.
Would you consider John Cusack and Robert Downey Jr brat pack members?
Brat Pack adjacent
I enjoyed the documentary and have always felt that the label did indeed de-rail several of those actors’ careers. Like any actor who is labeled “difficult”, because of maybe one instance of a conflict, being forever assumed to be hard to work with. The group from the mid 80s were saddled with that label and the assumption that any success they might achieve was probably not deserved. Labels are most times impossible to escape.
This "documentary" was embarrassing, awkward and a disappointment.
Yep this was from my time so I actually wanted to see it, but I got tired of the whining.
Sometimes thinking as a young person that your words really arent that impactful is a mistake.
David Blum doesn't seem too comfortable with that as his legacy.
So if you look at all their net worth, I mean really I think we'd all like to join that brat pack. Even the less successful actors of the group are multi-millionaires. So in the end I think it turned out fine for them all.
Andrew McCarthy even had Weekend at Bernie's and Mannequin post brat pack
David Blum sounds like the original bitter disingenuous activist journalist.
Much ado about nothing. Some writer says you're part of a brat pack!? Wow, who care? Compared to what actors are up to, or have done to them, in the past 20 years, that's absolutely nothing. If it bothers you for more than a week, you take yourself way too seriously.
It definitely benefited Rob Lowe and Demi Moore to brush it off.
Sean Penn was mentioned in that article and was considered part of The Brat Pack,in fact when Sean married Madonna in 1985 all the headlines were "Brat Pack actor Penn weds Madonna". Penn was best friends with Charlie Sheen and his brother Emilio Estevez growing up, in fact Sean and Madonna and Emilio and his then fiance Demi Moore used to go on double dates in the 80s. Madonna is still really good friends with Demi Moore, they even host joint Oscar parties together
Did he get kicked when he beat Madonna?
@@StandWatie1862 there were rumors but nothing confirmed, I know Demi and Emilio and Judd Nelson and Ally Sheedy, he Penn starred in Bad Boys with and who he briefly dated before he met Madonna, were at his 1985 wedding to Madonna
@@MartinSmith156 Well Penn comes from a very subversive family of communists. McCarthy was right as confirmed by Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov. They use actors to steer culture just like political figures like Gloria Steinem who admitted being CIA. Literal social engineering. Wild how much we're manipulated culturally through the media. People should be resentful of celebrities and tgeir uglier relatives politicians.
I watched it and my take was that McCarthy used that article as an excuse to blame others for his diminishing career. The whole doc he just seems unhinged about some minor little bit of press he didnt like. The other people mostly seemed like they were just telling him what he wanted to hear and trying to get him to gain a little perspective. Emelio seemed like he was just trying to get it over with and get Andrew out of his house, very awkward. Demi tried to reach him, Lowe tried to reach him. McCarthy completely overreacted to 'brat pack', his career flopped and he needs something or someone to blame. So many were missing because they probably didnt want to deal with the nonsense.
The overreaction- The term Brat Pack obviously was a spin on the Rat Pack. None of the Rat Pack complained about the name, they didnt think everyone was calling them rats literally. The Brat Pack was really a positive spin, it was an article about how younger actors are getting big roles due to the shift in the movie industry, and these actors are up and comers we should watch for. That was the article. It was not an article claiming all these young actors are brats. The Rat Pack were all 40+ when the name hit, the Brat Pack were in their 20s. Just a simple play on words that McCarthy basically ruined his life over. With all of the negative comments on social media, McCarthy would have never made it now. If you cant take haters, you dont belong in the business, and like I said it wasnt a hit piece article, it was actually quite flattering except the name.
It was interesting seeing all of those actors on the doc and hearing some of the inside stuff, but on the whole it just seemed like a bunch of whining and crying by Andrew McCarthy.
Robert Downey Jr. isn't mentioned at all, but he is another one who wasn't hurt by the brat pack label. He was in movies with several of these actors and is still at it today.
Downey Jr. wasn't mentioned in that article. At that time, 1985, he was still fairly unknown. He was the supporting actor, the friend, to thw lead James Spader, in the straight-to-video film "Tuff Turf" released in 1985. Spader was the bigger name then. He was the lead in that and had the lead in a few other B/video films at that time, and had had a major role in a TV movie working with Robert Mitchum. But he wasn't getting leads in major films and not a well known name. Then he showed up in supporting roles as bad guys etc. in hits like "Pretty in Pink", "Baby Boom". And the less successful "Less Than Zero" (with Downey Jr. now getting a lead role in a major film) and became a rather well known name. But thia was all AFTER 1985 and that article. Downey Jr. wasn't a rising star until after 1986 or 1987, until "Less Than Zero" (which wasn't a hit). I had never hears of Downey Jr. until Zero.
Sean Penn and Timothy Hutton were mentioned quite a bit in that article (and also Tom Cruise gets a mention). And in the mid-80s Penn was sometimes referred to as a Brat Pack actor. But somewhere along the line, Brat Pack came to refer to the more teen-oriented film actors and actors in John Hughes films, in particular - actors like Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall, who were not mentioned in the article and who didn't even hang out with those guys (Estevez, Nelson, Lowe) since, at the time, they were still in school and minors who lived at home and couldn't go out clubbing. Ringwald and Hall did apparently date briefly sinxe they were close in age whilst their co-stars in "Breakfast Club" were a good 8 or 10 years older. But they didn't hang out with the others.
@@SY-ok2dq Good points, RDJ had a supporting role as a bully jock in Weird Science. His success and leads came a bit later.
@@rogerdodger6025 Oh yeah forgot Weird Science. I think that's the only actual John Hughes film he was in. But he did star opposite Molly Ringwald in "The Pick-up Artist" - 1987? Or 88.
Downey was coming onto the radar as a star at the tail end of the 80s with Zero being I think his first major film lead. But it was maybe 1990 and early 90s that he became a major name. So that's why he's not really associated with the Brat Pack.
@@SY-ok2dq Yeah I think the PUA was around '87. I think that was his first starring role.
@@rogerdodger6025 Wait, wasn't the bully jock the brother played by Bill Paxton?
Wasn't Downey Jr. a friend? I think he wss getting a lot of friend-of roles then.
Fabulous days 🎉🎉🎉 They don't make them like that anymore you can definitely agree.
Emilio great in Young Guns
Why didn't they ever make a sequel to St. Elmo's Fire? It was a great movie and deserved a sequel but the actors didn't want to be stereotyped as always working together. But Andrew McCarthy and the rest did has success after all the Brat Pack Nonsense.
Nah. Altho this resurgance in interest of the Brat Pack may produce a sequel.
Emilio Estevez was a nepo baby, Martin Sheen is his dad. So of course he’s not paying for a movie ticket. The rest of the Brat Pack, with the exception of Robert Downey Jr., were not children of famous or rich parents. The Brat Pack, were the cool kids. As a Gen Xer I loved them. They have all had long successful careers and they had the misfortune of being the next generation of actors. It was Brando and James Dean, then Pacino and Robert DeNiro. The Brat Pack was the first generation of actors to not go through the Stella Adler and Elia Kazan school of naturalistic acting. By the time they came along, natural acting was the norm so they didn’t need the intensive training of actors of the past. I read the article in real time and it was harsh but not any harsher than TMZ or the Daily Mail is today. PS. I LOVED St.Elmo’s Fire at the time but it really is a crappy movie now that I’m old and have lived a life.
Why does the Brat Pack writer remind me of Anton Ego, from ratatouille
Might be a perfect time in history for a reunion on screen, that's assured box office gold just waiting to be collected 👍
Now there's an idea!
Bloom seems like an angry man who was probably very jealous of these guys back then . Andrew is too nice of a guy. Kind of the way he talks to Andrew now. Still condescending.. Bloom wished ye could have been one
They gave this guy way too much credit. The article was a piece of fluff. Brat pack was a turn of phrase. Nothing to make professional let alone life decisions about.
I would say their success was well earned. Considering the excellent work Demi and Emilo went on to do along with Rob Lowe. Andrew, Ali, Judd and Molly never had the big hit movies after the article. They were all young and good looking, and if they used their fame to get into nightclubs and events who cares. Lea Thompson still looks great. I wouldn't say Rob had a better career than Emilo he was in a ton of films. David Bloom just comes off as envious or jealous instead of just seeing the young actors as stars on the rise. Even if the group were doing lines of cocaine and banging groupies seems par for the course for 80's Hollywood doubtful other actors were not doing the same at the time. If anything the group didn't really embarrass themselves and were pretty tame in a lot of ways. Besides Michael Anthony Hall, Robert Downey Jr and Demi's struggles with addiction. I guess the big question is did some of the Brat Pack miss out on bigger films they could have starred in or were denied because of all the bad press coverage.
half those people you named got by on nepotism
Emilio Estevez was so affected by this that he has refused for YEARS to participate in any of the cast reunions that have taken place for any of the movies he did with the rest of the "brat pack".
There was a reunion done for Breakfast Club about 10 years ago or more and you can hear Molly and Anthony Michael Hall make comments to one another after someone in the audience asks where Estevez is. Molly says something sort of snarky about "some people being too busy" to reunite with everybody else and the two roll their eyes.
Apparently Emilio has not remained friends with very many of them and it is said he got out of acting due to severe anxiety issues. He directs and stays off camera almost exclusively.
It's understandable. His father is a well-known actor so he probably always felt like people saw him as Martin Sheen's son. People probably felt nepotism was how he made it, even though he got there on his own merits. The article tapped into those insecurities he felt. 😊
I'd lose my mind if I had to live in a fish bowl like those people do.
Maybe you should count yourself lucky that they didn’t track down your brothers crimes. How you think brother of the guy that SA 13 yo boys would have affected your career? Thats assuming it’s only him and you had no similar traits. You are so lucky that he changed his name to Sheen and you didn’t
WTF is WRONG with you
Most people never read the article, so being labeled a member of the BP was a positive for them.
Im torn. I dont know if Emilio now looks like his dad or his lesser known uncle
I honestly think he looks more like Joe. Fun fact, Joe did some of the voice overs on Apocalypse Now.
Hilarious that these stars are still smarting from a magazine article from 1985. Was it nasty? Sure but who cares. They were entitled spoiled rich douches and estevez ONLY had any career because of his daddy. It wasn’t his talent. His acting is ridiculously bad. Sometimes people need to be checked. But in any event it wasn’t remotely worth 40 plus years of whining.
You have to drop that press stuff and move forward. All of them to their credit did. It made them household names for a generation or two. Of course, the irony being as a 62 yo I never went to either movie. I went to The Shining and such as that. But I have enjoyed them in their different roles thru the years.
I don’t blame this Blume guy. I trash Emilio Estevez when I’m feeling insecure and my opinions don’t matter.
Andrew McCarthyi is the only one who took way too personal being a person with a low self esteem
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Jay Mohr did a great parody of him.
You obviously didn’t watch a second of the documentary. They were all hurt by it. For some, the article cut so deep, they still wouldn’t talk about it even today.
@@tonyc8752 come on, judd Nelson was never going to be a major star. Please. He actually did better than expected.
Repo man was Emilios best movie
Young Guns.
My dad loves Repo Man.
1:54 that's some brilliant editing 😂
There's a storm a comin'! 😂
He can appear in this documentary, why not go to any Breakfast Club reunions?
Ego
These peeps would never survive the world of social media
Ignorant Statement!!!!
You have Not had your Career / Life Wrecked by the Media!!!!
You don't even realize that that Article had much more power than Socal Media because it was picked up Immediately by All print media and All TV outlets. The Story has Never Faded Away or died down.
The Slanderous Power of the Media was a Thousand times more powerful than Social Media is today.
Something on Social Media has a Very Short Life. Typically within 48 hours it is Easily replaced by Something else.
Social Media has been around for 20 years Now and they have been working Actors for all of that time. So you are very Ignorant to say that they have not lived through Social Media.
It's so common now. Back then if something was published, you couldn't post a response to the world on a computer. You were that until the skeptical media interviewed you to defend yourself. And by then
, your reputation is changed, making some not hiring you because they still think you're a POS.
@@jojomcgee3430
Absolutely True 💯🎯👍
Just saw the Doc - BRATS. Really enjoyed it. I caught up to the Brat Pack phenomenon some years after its apex in the mid 80s. While I really enjoyed the movies, I could not relate to them the way others did. My life train traveled on a different track - more solitary, challenging, but adventurous. But I understand the effect it had on many young viewers. I recently (2024) read the New York magazine article and thought it was amateurishly written, purposely provoking undeserved condemnation, characterizing negatively the normal behaviors of not only young Hollywood actors, but young people in general. Too bad some members of this so-called Brat Pack let the article overly affect them - they were really good actors. Nonetheless, they still continued to put out a lot of great work in really solid films.
I still can't look at Ally Sheedy without completely melting! 🇬🇧🌞🇺🇲
These guys aren’t Generation-Xers thier boomers. Stop crying you made millions and had a nice career who cares what some loser author wrote it’s a play on the RatPack you guys are giving the Author so much popularity he’s insignificant. You all made great movies. Breakfast club and John Hughes was brilliant
That reporter has NO remorse about his article!! 😢
Wow, Ally Sheedy still looks fantastic!
Lol..WTF?
I thought the same for Lea Thompson
She's got something screwy happening with that eye of hers.
Rehashing dead material. You got a documentary because of it.
Sounded like the author was ticked off at the attention these actors were getting and mostly just jealous of them. He's basically Brian from the Breakfast Club, only meaner.
Easy to blame an article when your career fizzled out 10 years later.
I don't see Demi Moore complaining much.
@@Mario_N64 She didnt really complain in the doc, either. Her whole demeanor was the correct one. So what, move on, get over it. That's basically what she said only nicer.
@@Heathcoatman You kind of had to have than mentality just keep working. Emilo and Rob seemed to still get casted in many films after the article and found success along with Demi but the others not so much. Did they not get parts they auditioned for? I haven't seen the show yet but would like to.
@@Mario_N64 Demi Moore wasn't the Subject of the Article. She wasn't Slandered.
The Men were Slandered.
@@Heathcoatman
Demi Moore wasn't the Subject of the Article. She wasn't Slandered.
The Men were Slandered.
You can tell in how Blum talks that he considers it a huge achievement to derail the careers of almost all of them.
He doesn't seem too remorseful
I didnt know it was considered a derogatory term, thought the brat pack was awesome!
I was in a tiny West Village Watering Hole when Andrew McCarthy came in. This was obviously his favorite local bar. He spoke loudly pretty much holding Court . Honestly, he seemed bitter as hell.
I can picture this 🤣
As a Gen Xer I remember this being a big deal. I also thought it was strange that the actors cared. The people who were going to their movies were not reading New York magazine. It was us, the teenagers, that were watching the breakfast club, young guns, etc. i actually think that if they had continued making movies together it would have been considered a cool moniker with time. Everyone who was young back then was called a brat.
Andrew Mccarthy looks desperate for attention. Aging hasn't been good to him..
Way over reaction on his part.
Stop drinking so much
Alcohol makes you look bad. Look at Jim Carreys face today....dried up like a prune
Guys, it's not a kind industry filled with nice people. That's just not Hollywood.
Somebody, tell me how many movie roles you've lost because of that stupid label. Tell me...
They cancelled 1 movie immediately after the Article came out. Also because of the Article the Term Brat Pack was put on them. They refused to work together because of it.
So dozens of movies were Not made because they wanted to Kill the Negative Slanderous Term Brat Packers.
It definitely derailed careers because Studios Definitely Understood the Term was Slanderous and they were Not going to put these Actors in Serious Movies.
They became Type cast because of it, which kills Actors ability to Work.
@JesusSavesSinners AWWWEE. They didn't get to steer culture for the CIA and other alphabet agencies? It's weird how virtually every actor has the same opinions, isn't it? Prominent figures like Gloria Steinem have admitted to being CIA agents. Same with Hollywood. Not too far fetched. Top Gun was a military backed movie designed to recruit.
That town is a vipers den.
It is true I mean Hollywood is filled with beautiful people especially women. This idea that all of the stars are angels or would never stab each other in the back to get roles is ludicrous. Even to think of the "Me Too" movement has stopped favoritism is a joke. The name of the game would be what would any hot young actress be willing to do that others wouldn't to get a major roll.
As an expert on the topic, I can attest many celebrities far more rich and famous than Emilio Estevez leveraged their fame to save $6 on a movie ticket. Was not at all uncommon.
Don't believe everything you read. I suspect it was more about not wanting to stand in line than $6. Funny how no one has ever asked Emilio about it.
Young Andrew looks like a young Tucker Carlson 😂❤
They should own the moniker, I've never used it in an insulting way.
Never underestimate the evil power of jealousy.
A good subtitle would be: Portrait of a Deluded Egomaniac or: One Man's Quest to Avoid Taking His Meds.
I've never encountered a more screwed up human being than Andrew McCarthy. Someone called him a benign, harmless name 40 years ago and he has to make a documentary about it?
He begs and begs his fellow stars to be as butthurt as he is about it and gets no takers. After his interview when all is said and done, he blurts out "do you think you were a bit harsh?"
I can't wait for the sequel, as McCarthy hunts down me and everyone else who has ever said a negative thing about him. He makes Richard Nixon look like a mellow dude.
These actors generally had the looks, not the acting chops. Good actors of their vintage include Eric Stoltz, Crispin Glover, Paul Reuben, Winona Ryder, Leonardo DiCaprio, Juliet Lewis, and kind of Jennifer Jason Leigh, and sometimes Chris Penn. Many of those actors got parts in serious movies because they had the talent. (Incidentally, you don't see Stoltz making a crybaby movie about being kicked off Back the The Future halfway through.) These kids specialized in schlock marketed at 10-year-olds who idolize high schoolers.
The writer went to a bar and found them having fun and enjoying the decadence of their good fortune. He wrote about it. Grow up and move on.
Haven’t watched it yet but it appears that Estivez and Sheedy were also affected by it?
@@michaelehlert9 Maybe you should watch it.
Ringwald wasn’t mentioned one time! Because she is a fellow smallhat!😢
If Andrew Mccarthy is upset about the path of his career, he really has only himself to blame. This man signed himself up for not one, but TWO _Weekend at Bernie's_ movies.
I was 17 when the brat pack was around. I am 56 now. Ok lets move on
Goodbye!
I tried watching it because I loved all of those actors, but they came across like crybabies over something that could have been made to look cool but some of them took it wrong. More crybaby rich people is exactly what this world needs great.
These actors are still celebrities because of this article. Thank Mr David Blum
Estevez was a pretentious guy. He thought he was an auteur, an actor-filmmaker. He made bad choices in roles. He thought he would turn into Martin Scorsese. It never happened.
There's an alternate universe where he played Henry Hill in Goodfellas.
Sounds more like their inability to handle the article had the most negative impact which only adds weight to the “brat” label. It’s part of fame.
The Brat Pack was 80s preppy chic! What’s wrong with that? That’s the difference between young actors then and now. They wanted to be taken seriously whereas had a group of cool actors be branded that today, they’d eat up the limelight & run with the endorsement.
St. Elmo’s Fire, a great movie♥️♥️
Sorry but McCarthy is blaming others for his own life's journey. The "brat" pack even with the article had access to money, power and fame in ways most ordinary people will never have. He needs to move on and learn to live the he was given not some made up fantasy life that no one gets...
For such a mediocre talent would agrue he did pretty well for himself.
Lol..Arguably the DUMBEST and MOST IDIOTIC thing I've heard in years
And after that he still had big hits like Mannequin and Weekend at Bernie's.
Repo man.
Demi Moore went on to become a name Movie Star and the ones who blame this article for their lame careers didn't. The reason: she made good and/or significant movies (Ghost, A Few Good Men, Disclosure, Indecent Proposal) and Judd Nelson, Andrew McCarthy, Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall didn't. Aside from the Hughes movies, what movie where Judd Nelson was the sole STAR does anyone remember or care about? Same with Molly Ringwald or Anthony Michael Hall or Ally Sheedy . Emilio Estevez and Rob Lowe made a real effort and Lowe hung in there, didn't resign himself to victimhood like McCarthy and has proven to be a likable, successful comedic actor as he has matured. The inconvenient truth that McCarthy doesn't explore is that he got the career that he deserved. It's not like he worked hard. Everything was handed to them because they were pretty, white kids at a time when Hollywood was making movies to appeal to white kids. McCarthy was two years out of high school and starring in movies (!!!!), same with Rob Lowe. How hard could they have worked in a couple of years? Talk to actors who struggled for decades like Bryan Cranston or Jon Hamm. Everything was handed to the Brat Packers on a silver platter and they apparently expected everything to continue to be handed to them on silver platters, each one shinier than the one before it. If good movies aren't coming to you, go to them, lobby the best directors, develop your own projects, in other words: WORK FOR IT. They didn't do that. Cruise started at the same time McCarthy did; Jodie Foster, Matthew Broderick, Charlie Sheen and Sean Penn were in their age group; Demi was one of them. They all had substantial movie careers. That article made them all nationally famous. They should've used it to their advantage instead of feeling sorry for themselves. They had fame, successful movies and a fan base. They were 99% on their way to stardom just three or four years into their careers but they went on to choose crappy movies. Ultimately, making good movies is what they should've focused on. Tom Cruise used his success in Risky Business to go on to make Top Gun. McCarthy used his success in Pretty in Pink and St. Elmo's Fire to go on to make Mannequin and Weekend at Bernie's. Is there any wonder Cruise is a star and McCarthy is pretty much forgotten? Judd Nelson doesn't even have THAT. It's not the fault of a magazine article. Talent and, most of all, hard work makes the difference.