Smyth Busters: Do You Really Need a Chamber Brush?
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- "C'mon, you don't need a chamber brush. A bore brush'll do fine. It's just a way for Brownells to sell ya more cleaning stuff." That's what "they" say on the Internet... But is it true? Do you need a dedicated brush designed to clean the chamber of your gun? Let's find out what Caleb and Steve have to say! The truth is, cleaning the bore but not cleaning all the gunk out of your pistol's / rifle's / shotgun's / revolver's chamber is basically leaving the cleaning job half done. The chamber does just as much work as the bore, and you'll pay a price down the line for a cruddy chamber: extraction problems, failures to feed, and more.
Chamber cleaning is particularly important on a gun like the AR-15, where the bolt lugs lock into recesses behind the chamber. The AR-15 needs a specialized chamber brush, but on ANY gun - even those that shoot straight-walled cartridges - the chamber is a larger diameter than the bore. So the bore brush's bristles aren't long enough to properly scrub the chamber. Hence the need for a special chamber brush.
If you shoot shorter cartridges in your revolver (for example, .38 Special in a .357 Magnum gun), you'll encounter another problem, which Steve explains for us. Special note about .22 rimfire guns: the bore and the chamber ARE the same diameter, so for those guns the bore brush WILL clean the chamber, too. - Спорт
These two gentlemen have really developed a great rapport/interaction. The exchanges are great and it’s always informative.
I'd like to see more arguing.
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So so true!
No i have a fear of waking up after midnight and finding Caleb inspecting my cleaning kits. Haha
Great video as always gents. Thank you for all of your work.
"Not in a creepy way." Dude, with that hairstyle, everything Caleb does is in a creepy way. 🙂
This is hugely overlooked. Thank you for covering this, it will undoubtedly help some people.
The AR Chamber Brush is a necessity for the 3 times it functions before it deforms and gets tossed in the trash.
If you have the room, set up a cleaning bench separately from your work bench, easier and more convenient, cool
Something to keep in mind is that AR15/M16 chamber brushes can have different thread pitches. Brushes marked as AR15 are usually 8-32 while those marked as M16 are usually 8-36. Get the one appropriate for your chamber rod.
Same goes for the other brands of cleaning components on the market ,problem is no one identifies one from the other you have to find out by hit and miss.
I have an M16 cleaning kit and use the chamber brush every time I clean my rifle.
There is no 8-36 thread standard. There is 8-32 and a metric standard. All AR chamber brushes are 8-32. For years Outers used one thread and Hoppes used another. That's why people get confused.
I don't have a chamber brush for my 357sig, I just use a 45 brush on the chamber end, and a 38 brush on the barrel.
Not only do I clean my chambers as my drill sergeants taught me, I recently added some specialized chamber cleaning tools and attachments to my cleaning supplies.
@@RyanSpringer1984 Yes, the Wheeler with both nylon and wire chamber brushes and a supply of felt star pads. I can get most of the gunk out with swaps. The star pads are a nice finish.
It has always been my firm belief that the chamber brush is one of the most important parts of a rifle cleaning kit. Especially for any rotating bolt design rifle or handgun. A properly cleaned and lubed gun carries with it a sense of satisfaction as well as a boost in reliability. (Except for old AK-47 rifles, which actually use mud as it's lubricant.)
WRONG, do not lube an AK with mud fool
Use a mud brush tool.
@@LF12468 lol obviously sarcasm isn’t your strong suit.
@@John5.56 It’s harder than woodpecker lips to download the sarcasm over internets.
@@hateferlife That it is, but certain things should be pretty obvious.
Thanks for explaining the reason for the shape. I knew it was a chamber brush but not that it was specifically designed to get behind locking teeth.
Easily one of my favorite firearms channels on UA-cam.
I have seen AR chambers that would not function with steel case ammo . I tested them with a function gauge and they passed perfectly so it wasnt a tight chamber. When I looked at the chamber with a bore scope the chamber had never been cleaned. It looked like alligator skin it was so carboned up. After brushing the chamber clean the steel case ammo ran perfectly.
Oh crap , I always thought everyone cleaned their AR chamber with a chamber brush , I always have because I just thought it was part of the normal cleaning process , That's how I learned . Thanks for posting guys !
I thought you were going to say, "i go to peoples houses to check out their cleaning bench, and their house didnt have a cleaning bench" JUST LIKE MINE! LOL
Now I'm picturing someone chasing Caleb out of their workshop with a rolled-up newspaper.
I obsess over cleaning the chamber so much that I thought this episode would go the other way, telling people to not be so focused on cleaning the chamber.
I've used .410 brushes to clean certain chambers where the bore brush just isn't big enough... also I've used a 20 guage brush to clean the inside of my AR15 bolt carrier.
A 410 bore brush is my go to chamber brush for most of my full power rifles because it's long enough to get an entire 8x57mm or 30-06 chamber in pretty much one go.
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Great video. I really like how y’all keep it short and informative. You have people making 37 minute videos on chamber brushes. 😂
I never knew people were not cleaning their chambers. We had a guy who kept getting stuck casings, he had never cleaned his chamber on his AR.
The problem with .22 rimfires is that once you run a bore brush through the barrel a bunch of times, the bristles get mashed down, and they won't do a good job on the carbon that builds up. I help coach a college pistol team, and we use .25 caliber rifle brushes bent in the middle at 90 degrees. The back half serves as a handle (covered with a piece of heat shrink to save your fingers). I've lost count of the number of malfunctioning semi-auto pistols I've rescued mid-match with a good chamber brushing. Stick it in, rotate the "handle" back & forth a few times, and then use a pull-though with a patch to sweep out all the crud.
I use a hard bristled toothbrush and some CLP. I'm approaching 15k rounds on a chrome lined CHF barrel, and I've had absolutely no issue.
Running a brush down your barrel will negatively effect accuracy, though. You're removing your copper and carbon fouling equilibrium.
I pull the interior cordage out of 550 cord, tie what's left into a single knot and pull it down the barrel with some CLP soaked into it, and that works amazingly for me.
I've never had a dirty chamber but I have a chamber brush for all my firearms. I cleaned the bore of the barrel on my M14 perfectly clean at the end of Army basic training so I could turn it in. The supply sergeant looked down the bore and said "Dirty chamber!" It wasn't dirty.
I think that's called "job security". They're gonna write it down as another hour spent cleaning another man's chamber.
Sarge said “ dirty chamber “ then the chamber is dirty. Of course you always could argue with him I suppose😂
I've never used a chamber brush once in my life. Bore brush, Q tips, and a tooth brush has always worked fine for me
I brush chambers, I have hundreds of brushes but none dedicated as chamber brushes.
I'm missing something here...the only firearm we own that might need the chamber brush is a 30-30...everything else we own have straight walled chambers, such as revolvers, shotguns, etc. doesn't the appropriate sized bore brush also clean those chambers when we use a bore snake or regular cleaning rod...?
@@PetuniaIii-pd1ww in a revolver the back portion of each chamber is the diameter of the case, not the diameter of the bullet. On modern revolvers there is a narrowing “step” in each chamber where the end of the case should be, and the chamber diameter drops down to close to bullet diameter. In 99% of semiauto pistols, the chamber is case diameter and bigger than bullet diameter. In fact the cartridge headspaces on the step in the chamber where the diameter drops down closer to bullet diameter and the leade begins.
This is especially important for 357 Magnum and 44 Magnum revolvers that are shot a lot with their weaker “Special” cousins. Trust me - you don’t want to wait until Magnum cases start getting stuck in the carbon/gunk the builds up behind that ledge… and don’t ask me how I know.
@@chipsterb4946 that sounds reasonable, but if we are brushing chambers in our revolvers I would think that would take care of any issues...we are dedicated gun cleaners, guns cleaned after every range visit, and the only round we use now that is smaller than chamber is .22 short, and those bullets are the same diameter...we don't own a .357 or .44, but I understand your point about the 'special' ammo possibly fouling that narrowing...always something...!
It's not a coincidence that the people selling the cleaning supplies are the same ones turning the cleaning process into some kind of mystic ceremony, do you need a special brush to clean your armpits? Or a special brush for each tooth?
The chamber was always the very first thing that I was told to wipe the tip of my little finger around when I was inspecting weapons as they was cleaned and returned to our arms room .I often wrap a cotton patch on my old chamber brush as I use it.
Great content as always! Let’s thank them by making sure we buy from Brownells at least a few times a year.
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Had a stuck case on my AR. Was doing a lot of steel case shooting. Cleaned the chamber with a chamber brush and kept this practice. I’ve never had this issue reoccur. Even with steel case ammo.
Caleb breaking in to peoples cleaning supplies to judge their chamber brush use lmao
I have not ever seen a chamber brush for sale. Nor did i know they even existed.
My man Caleb has really turned his attitude around, now that he's getting his coffee 🤣. Good stuff as always gents 🤘🏼
I just picture both of them cracking up laughing about the 3 for 1 and “good for you” comment.
Really enjoy the two having a conversation, back and forth questions, as if another person was there receiving advice.
I do not know what to say. You guys make me laugh, and teach me something in the same video. Great show guys, thanks.
I always scrub my revolver chambers, but pretty much never brush rifle barrels at all. I just use patches for the chamber and bore.
Always look forward to the new episodes
Keep up the great work!!!
After having to drive a case out with a cleaning rod, a chamber brush looks awful good.
A 9mm bore brush works pretty well in a .223 chamber (though not, obviously the locking lug area), and a .45 brush works in .308.
That star chamber brush along with a barrel rod and a Gerber multi tool was my best friend in the army. First time go turning rifle in after inspection
For cleaning the crud out of .44 mag/ 357 mag type chambers if you just shoot specials in them, I heard a cool way to start. If you reload, or know some one who does run a magnum case (just the unprimed case) into the case mouth belling die and bell the case just enough so it will fit in the chamber. then push it in the chambers and it acts like a brass scraper to remove a lot of the build up before you use a brush.
Spray the chamber with your favorite gun cleaning product. After you pop in there with your star chamber brush you can remove the debris you've loosened with a Star Chamber Cleaning Swabs™ - AR-15/M4 Platform Cleaning Swab by Swab-its®.
I put a bit of turbo oil 2380 on the swab to pick up the debris. Then, a clean one dunked in acetone to remove the residual oil. Chamber and star clean as a whistle. Next, a clean bore guide and you're ready for barrel cleaning. I finish off barrel cleaning with a Remington Rem SQUEEG-E so, after I pull the guide rod out, I give the chamber one more pass with a clean swab dipped not doused in acetone. You can't have too many cleaning rods around your gun bench. Great VDO as always guys. You do wonders educating patriots, young and old. It's appreciated.
I have to say, I never have anything bad to say about these 2 folks. I consider myself an advanced knowledgeable individual pertaining to firearms. I watch these guys, and even the simplest videos gets my tail wiggling. I nod my head, and concur with the great advice they give. If I do have some input, it is not a big issue, nor worth even mentioning. You guys are great. I want videos of oils and bore solvents used.
It's one of those things where I would rather have it and not need it. I clean my firearms after every use and would say that I don't need a chamber brush every time, but I know that I want that brush for the stuff that I miss that will accumulate and cause it to not go into battery...
Used mine while serving in the Army. My old #56 M16A2 was spotless. My 1st SGT and Co always asked how my M16 looked new. High Temp BBQ paint, dental picks, old school shaving bush, tooth bush, Q-tips and a few other tools.
High temp BBQ paint? You are an armorers nightmare my friend. Glad you "Cold War" veterans never seen any actual combat.
Never knew this was a problem. I always use my chamber brush.
The more specific problem is that so many people are STUPID.
Yes, I never used the Chamber Brush for the AR15/M16, but only the Barrel Brush in the conscript army. Bugger me ....
I have always used the chamber brush and the swabs to clean the chambers on my
AR's. I even use the scrapper because I work my guns pretty hard. I love these shorts and use them all the time to great tips.
Caleb knocks on your door!
Hello, do you own a firearm?
Yes!
Would you mind if I inspect your cleaning table? Not in a creepy way!
Come right in!
Great video, always learn something
Glued my chamber brush rod with superglue. Because it screws in, it wouldn't turn both ways. So I put the chamber brush into a pistol rod handle and deliberately seized up the treads with glue. Now the chamber brush turns both directions.
I keep those prickly little stinkers in my kits and yes, I use them.
Another great show. Thanks
I use a 4" cleaning patch wrapped around my chamber brush for the AR15.
I have always used chamber brushes on my AR rifles and when the long strands start to get bent and worn I cut the damaged strands and use the brush for cleaning rust off of the insides of rusty AK magazines to make them usable again.
Save your worn-out pistol bore brushes for use in revolver chambers. For example, worn .45 acp brushes work great in .44 revolver charge holes. Also, find one of those cheap aluminum cleaning rods you bought when you didn't know any better and cut off all but about 8 inches, leaving the female threads. Screw in your revolver brush, chuck it up in your cordless drill, and clean out those charge holes in just a few seconds.
I agree. Amazing team with a lot of great knowledge.
Very very outstanding video guys. Keep up the great work. Thanks a lot friend. SC Navy vet.
Some times i wonder if it's coffee or jack Daniels in them mugs . Both are fine options.
It's bullets in one and coffee in the other.
I learned this the hard way after 6k-7k rounds I had a really dirty chamber started shooting steel poly coated ammo and got a round stuck. Had to actually take it into a gunsmith have him knock out and polish the chamber. (And I work on my own stuff 99.9% of the time) had to swallow my pride.
I use correct size bore brush and oversized brush on drill for chamber and acetone. Action separated from stock or grips.
Like the idea of a separate cleaning bench
Didn't know, thanks for the information gentlemen.
I usually use a nylon bottle brush with solvent to clean the chamber.
It would be nice to see a lot more chamber brushes for each cartridge with the longer wires to clean around the lugs, bolt guns have lugs too just usually not as many as a MSR. Also we need better chamber mop technology.
With heavy use, yes chamber brush. But if an AR is sitting for most of the time, a good oiling with muzzle down and a quick go-thru once a month, you’re fine.
The weapon will tell you if it’s gummed up, you just gotta know what you’re looking for.
Great information...i did not know it was such a big deal...Thanks
Nice looking revolver.. thanks for the update.
I needed to hear this . Thanks
I do use my chamber brush everytime, because that's the way I was taught, so it has just become a step in the cleaning process.😊
Curious who doesn’t clean the chamber on a revolver? After shooting a box of ammo it gets increasingly more difficult to extract the empty cartridges
Wait. People aren’t cleaning their revolver chambers. That’s messed up. Great video
Thank you for this very helpful information.
Thank You, I was into guns as much when I was younger, but now I've discovered your channel and I love it and agree with it so far haha. And I've passed on the knowlege to my customers at Cals-Ranch before they fired me for becoming a federal law enforcement. coming from the acadmey. and being late to work when I told them I cant be here at this time and wrote them down my schedule and they still didn't like it.
I’ve never not used a chamber brush. Didn’t know people ever considered it unnecessary.
Never was issued a brush of any kind at Basic. Just that stupid rod with the eye you were supposed to run a patch through. When I got to my unit, an armorer cleaned weapons, so I never knew the Army had brushes! Lol.
I love this channel.
As always, well done.
Great tip
Well, as stupid as it sounds, I found my method for cleaning the chamber on my 7.62x39 rifles to work pretty good.
My kit came with a .357 swab which when dipped and squeezed of bore cleaner, hugs the inside of the chamber quite nicely. Then i can take a few dry patches and wipe it clean.
Good vid guys! 💪🏻
Wait... To mean there's a brush for that?! 🤯😂
Good Video/Info !!!!!.....YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THE CHAMBERS AND CYLINDERS!!!!!!......NEVER DRY FIRE OLD SCHOOL RIM-FIRES-EVER!!!!!
I've always used a toothbrush for lugs and a pistol brush for the chamber because I've always had them around and I never had to assemble them
Getting that crud ring in the revolver chamber from shooting shorter rounds can be a stinker, sometimes even beyond the powers of the chamber brush.
One thing that works is taking a full-length fired case (say, .357 Magnum) and putting a little extra bell on the mouth, and using that for sort of a round scraper. My old Model 19 just wouldn't come clean any other way.
I never thought that was a myth, the chamber brush is an integral part of a cleaning kit. Try turning in your weapon to the arms room with a dirty chamber.
Yeah, on every rifle inspection I've ever had the chamber and lug recess got the pinky check first.
Very close to chamber pot. Very Important.
Been using brass brushes for years and will continue to do so. Despite anyone to the contrary.
My M1A has a rotating bolt like the M1 Garand & keeping the chamber brushed out definitely keeps it functioning & kicking out the empties.
Great stuff
Thanks for the video. From reading the comments, it seems as though maintaining the cleanliness of a weapon is very subjective. One's experience doesn't make it the right way. A gun manufacture's cleaning guide is at best very vague! And what works for one doesn't work for another. Our experiences vary. Unlike driving, there are no set rules. Just do your best to clean your gun. Happy shooting.
QUICK TIP, PUBLIC SERVICE & A SMITH BUSTER! Should have included a Demonstration too but maybe next time
I've put 2 to 3 thousand rounds of cheap steel ammo through my AR and I've done nothing but clean the bore, wipe the bolt and carrier off with a rag, and gently lube it. Not one stoppage. Never needed a special brush for any of my rifles. These are machines designed to keep on going, you don't strip and clean your car's engine every time you use it. (Corrosive primers and powders are a different story.)
An AR requires generous lube not light lube.
Quick tip. Attach your chamber brush to one piece of a cleaning rod. Then the rod into an electric drill head. Insert and then use the drill to spin the brush. Makes quick work of cleaning the chamber.
Caleb Almost made him spit coffee. Soooo close!!!!
This is why expended brass bind with Suppressors!
Yeah, got a tips, get 2 of them! One basic for what they just said, the other, strap some cleaning cloth(thin layer) and add some oil, and you get to clean out water and crud, and even prevent rust and shit in there, over time.
I always use a chamber brush even in my bolt actions. Not much builds up but where that bolt face sits is hard to reach with qtips. Plus we need to clean that chamber to avoid feeding or extraction problems.
I use mine on all of my AR's. To me it's a MUST!!! ESPECIALLY when we used Blanks in the Army.
We keep our chamber brush next to the porcelain chamber thingie.
%100 agree. Chamber brushed are absolutely necessary. My drill sergeants drilled it into us. As did my team leader and squad leaders. As I did with my joes when I stepped into leadership. Very important, especially during deployments in the sandbox.
Never use them. Reason being they are just a pain to use. There are various picks you can use that work much better and of course q-tip after. Sorry, but the dedicated AR15 chamber brush is super bad at cleaning.
Caleb’s hair is extra neat this time.
I didn't know I just got so educated until Caleb told me so! lmfao! That look sideways and the I'm a tellin" you! Hillarious! Good video and perfect messages. Thanks!