I Used Mongol Tactics To Dominate The Battlefield!
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- At the battle of the Kalka River, generals Jebe and Subutai of the Mongol Empire used a tactic called the "feigned retreat" to win a great victory against a larger Rus army! In this video we'll fight two battles in Mount and Blade 2 Bannerlord and try to recreate this genius tactic to win!
0:00 - Intro
0:09 - Battle #1 Top Down View
1:42 - Battle #2 Ground Level View
7:40 - Battle #3 Sun Tzu (F1 + F3, AI Control)
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It's such a guilty pleasure to use horse archers in battle. But its actually great defeating the superior numbers of enemy with them.
Yeah they are OP is big numbers, but when they are outnumbered their actually not that strong! It took quite a few tries to get this one to work.
@@Strat-Guides yeah your right, they feel so cheesy because of how easily they can hit and run but if paying for objectives or enemy has more of their own archers to cover their infantry, it's just an inevitable nightmare
@@akkoismydaughter3573 Yeah and vs big armies you really need to manage hold fire on the side that would be hitting into the shields if the infrantry splinter off into multiple groups and you can't use melee cav to distract them, otherwise they run out of arrows and it's GG
@@akkoismydaughter3573 One reason why I think they're op is because they are SO much easier to control than most other units.
i love watching 50 unnamed khuzait horse archers casting the arrow rain spell from clash of clans onto an unsuspecting imperial recruit
This guy turned bannerlord into an art.
Thanks for watching!!
True warriors/ true men knew bannerlord was an art to begin with. We are men and war is in our blood
@@akkoismydaughter3573 the art of war
The art is revealed, it cannot be given.
it's a video game bruvva, go outside and touch grass@@akkoismydaughter3573
Note: these kind of skirmish tactics only work in plains (like shown here) and its borderline impossible on narrow passage maps
Yeah I had to go back to the Khuzait areas to get a good map for this. Pretty cool because the Mongols struggled with that same thing IRL
@@Strat-Guides the mongols retreated to favorable terrain. cant be done as reliably in bannerlord
@@dinguskhan46329 This becomes significantly less true in the second and third generations of Mongol conquest. Once the Mongols had conquered much of the Middle East, much of China, were pressing in to Volhynia (Poland, essentially) their style of warfare had adapted quite a bit to be more "imperial", utilizing mixed composition armies more and more effectively. Kublai fighting like Genghis would have never conquered the Song or Korea, and would have had no chance against the few Japanese engagements between Mongols and Japanese. The Ilkhanate would never have been able to hold Persia, with its three mountain ranges.
No way!?!! Fr
Actually against the AI it's pretty easy. You divide your horse archers into 3 groups instead of 2 and keep using horse archers just as regular archers with increased mobility. Get two groups cresting the top of the hills on either side , keep the third one on the road further back. Then, as the enemy approaches, use your increased mobility to sneak one of the hill groups past the enemy force and get behind them, and put the one group that was on the road on the side you moved a group from. From this triangle of death position you keep pulling back and re-engaging your horse archers as your enemies try to engage them. It's actually a bigger bloodbath than on a plain because you can take high ground from all around your enemy, which means he'll always be trying to charge you uphill.
I loved seeing both the RTS and the ground perspective.
I'm going to try to do that from now on for these videos as I think it helps with visualizing what is actually going on. Thanks for watching!
How are u able to make rts mod work with v1.1? It crashes my game
It’s actually so, so valuable for console players (like myself) since we obviously don’t have access to any mods. Please keep on doing both perspectives
That rts perspective turned this game into totale war
I used a feigned retreat with some empire infantry against battanians who had a hill advantage, while we had the numbers made contact with the savages then fell back behind the trees, they fell for it and charged after us to meet my legionary formation we only lost 57 compared to their 200.
Ah yes, the Hastings gambit
Ive never played bannerlord but I really enjoy your videos. Please keep posting.
I'm glad you're enjoying these! Thanks :D
I didn't expect a video this soon after I made the comment suggesting this tactic! Amazing work as always your channel is a godsend to us history and strategy game enthusiasts.
i love how my knowledge of history and real life strategy makes this so much better to comprehend
I was actually one of the people that suggested Hannibals crescent which you did last week but at the time my inicial thought was to suggest this, but thought it would be too hard to do due to limited size of map and limited view in 1st person. That was really cool to watch and im def trying this out, great video as usual
It's a tough one to pull off, but with some practice it works well! I have about 30+ recordings where I failed lol
These vids are super interesting! bc they show how seemingly very simple tactics are affected by things like a commander's limited view of the battlefield and murphy's law
This strategy called actually Turan, as far as I know
cool, how you know these. have a good time,man
I was thinking to try Cataphracts and Khan's guards only. This tactic looks fun.
these strategy videos are great
Thank you for providing the same tactics from the ground! Really helps :)
I like watching history battle channels and i believe this tactic was used the crush the polish and a duke. They feigned retreat drawing the polish cav deep into their main lines and pulled and cav up from the flanks encircling and killing the polish duke.
I love you saying "I want to learn to use horsemen more effectively" and they you fucking do it. Good shit man. I love your editing and I think you should have used more Mongolian throat singing in this one lol!
Great video as always. I really lost it when you sneaked in that G.W.Bush classic☠
Lol when I was editing that part it reminded me of that! I totally get what happened to him that day :)
Thanks, I absolutely love your video. This is exactly what I expected ❤❤❤
Thanks for watching!
Love to see that. My first propper Campaign was with Khuzait Cavalry Archers. But I was roleplaying as the Huns not the Mongols! For me that fealt more appropriate with the setting.
Fighing with equal numbers never was a fair fight for the enemy. after a ratio of 2 to 1 it would become quite challenging. But I actually managed to win quite a few highly ountnumbered battles with dismounted meele units holding a chokepoint with an elevated horsearcher position in the back!
Keep up the great work!
Will you consider doing a troop tier list specifically for RBM?
This
Actually AI is using the traditional Russian tactic of throwing bodies at the problem until it goes away
Yes, this is what I have been waiting for!
These strategy videos are great
These videos on real life tactics are awesome, please keep them coming.
I'm glad you like them! I'm working on Pike and shot for next week's video (using crossbows) :D
Finally, thank you for making a video out of my comments I felt really happy after seeing the video. However, I am pretty sure this particular tactic is named Turan or Crescent tactic and is used by mostly Turks, you can see this tactic even in late Ottoman wars. It was never abondened and constantly used troughout the history against crusaders, romans, russians etc. Unfortunately the game is not realistic enough to make this tactic work perfectly but you did a good job.
This is the tactic I used on my first play through. Harass them with the horse archers dwindling their numbers and send in the troops while the horse archers shoot them in the back. Worked like a charm!
I Love your videos, I have been looking for some mongol/khuzait theme tactics videos, this is just great. However, I can see you were using realistic battle mod in your other videos, and are you also using that mod in this video?
superb content as always bro. maybe can you like recreate longbowman dependent tactic that english used during 100 year war
Love you! Keep these up. Love real life tactics and the history of these
He literally didnt even follow the REAL LIFE strategy, he just made his horses hit&run like everyone does in the game, abusing the stupid AI.
Historically, the armies stand together in a shield wall / circle / Square, they dont scatter around like headless chikens... This is a game, not history, there is 0 history here...
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I'm glad everyone is enjoying these!
I liked the piano on background.I hope you keep it on the other videos as well.
Thanks! That's what I listen to most of the time :)
Love the vids!:)
What I've noticed from all of this tactics video, it basically boil down to how you can lure your enemies to get flanked.
Bait and flank is as common in military history as the spear.
It's not just that. A chase messes up any formation, and you absolutely need a unit stopped and organized in order to ensure a cavalry charge successfully, no matter the direction.
Also, different units have different moving speeds, messing up the army cohesion. Ranged troops quickly lose protection, becoming an easy target for highly mobile cavalry.
It's not just that. A chase messes up any formation, and you absolutely need a unit stopped and organized in order to ensure a cavalry charge successfully, no matter the direction.
Also, different units have different moving speeds, messing up the army cohesion. Ranged troops quickly lose protection, becoming an easy target for highly mobile cavalry. They would be the biggest threat to cavalry otherwise.
The Mongols made use of 3 primary "types" of cavalry, the first acting just as outriders and skirmishers, the second acting as heavier skirmishers capable of dealing with infantry, and the third utilizing shock charges. It is REALLY hard to do in Bannerlord without RTS camera, but you can kind of do the same on a lot of maps, hiding a group of heavy lancers behind a hill or something, using the first group to lure and attack with the second just as done here, and then lure the enemy infantry for the big ol lancer charge. This specifically, with three different groups, is how the Mongols under Subutai and Batu dealt the first blows against the Kievan Rus, and was later used against the Poles and Hungarians effectively as well. Charges into already-peppered cavalry and into exhausted infantry.
God I love bannerlord. I want to get back to playing so badly, no idea when I will actually be able to.
Watch Strat, get MASSACRED, watch again, OK I CAN DO THIS!, get DESTROYED, watch again, "yeah maybe ancient battle strategies aren't my thing".
Lol you should see the full set of recordings I have when making these videos. It's definitely not a one and fine kinda deal, usually it takes me 10-15 attempts to get a decent battle and maybe 30+ before I really understand how to use it properly
@@Strat-Guides that's insane, thanks for the effort, the content is amazing!
Another great strategy video!
Glad you enjoyed it
I like the first part where you trapped the enemy heavy calvary but when fighting infantry, you should really use horse archer as mobile archer units instead of having them actually charge into the battle. They are far better shooter when they spread out and standstill.
Long live the great khan
Love these strategy videos
Glad to hear that!!
Have you ever thought about trying to talk to some of the history channels here on youtube that look at battles and see if bannerlord could help recreate some more tactics? I think it would ve a cool colab that hopefully would get you some more views and subs. There are a lot of history and battle buffs that probably dont realise how well bannerlord lets you recreate much of these battle tactics.
I thought about it, but have not reached out to anyone yet. They use TW a lot and seem to enjoy those, but I think the individual units of Bannerlord offer a better perspective (especially when you zoom in)
So fun to watch!
Just for information: Rhis tactic belongs turks and it's called "Hilal" that mean in Turkic moon crescent. Mongols started using this tactics with Genghis Khan. His army was mistly Turk and even hes best 2 generals was Turkish origin. That way this is not a mongol tactic. (Historical fact)
They as even older from the Scythians and xiongnu
Nice cheese with the cav and video bro
Also Oguz was great in throat singing may I please have a promotion to the horse archer division
Haha Oguz does deserve a promotion :D
It'd be cool if you stablished a "standard play" baseline to compare these strats with. Good job either way.
Hey strat, you should try the oblique order next! I'd like to see how if it works in bannerlord :)
I've got that one on my list to try out soon!
works when you have enough artillery support to make it work otherwise the oblique does not work when your stronger flank gets blown appart by concentrated artillery fire along with determined musket/rifle fire to thin out the ranks.
Even better with the Aserai, as your melee cav have throwing weapons and can really help whittle down the heavy infantry. =)
great stuff!
i love these so much. Such a helpful channel on my bannerlord playthrough too! i did a degree on military tactics at college and we covered the famous mongol feight retreat. While on plains or any type of plain plateau, mounted archers were far more destructive and had better usage potential than any spear/lanced based cavalry. However, alike bannerlord, mounted archers would be borderline useless when it comes to obstructive terrain such as forests or any rocky terrain. Not to say that "mele" calvalry would do much better in a forest but the inbalance caused by obstructive terrain would affect someone trying to aim a bow a lot harder than someone couching a lance. It would be amazing to see you trying to get a use of any type of cavalry in some rocky terrain. If anyone can do it, its probably strat gaming
I would love to see you try The Horns of the Buffalo the Zulu used to conquer.
That one is on my list to try out!
I use this tactic on foot with battanian wildlings with the 30% movement speed banner buff and a solid line of mainly legionaries but falxman thrown in to boost attack javelins shred the enemy lines and make it a cake walk for my un touched heavy infantry
good upload once again
This is literally the tactic that allowed my Khuzait campign to make the Golden Horde the undisputed rulers of Calradia.
Of they didn't follow and take the bait, my horse archers were split in 3 groups so I would completely surround them and kill them with zero losses.
By late game I had only my small army of 350 khan's guard and 150 of a collection of lancers and cataphracts, then a lot of low tier armies just to match numbers so I could have all 500 of my troops on the field, and I went undefeated for the entire campaign, taking on kill numbers for my 500 of upward to 3000.
this, more groups of horse archers is a game changer
@@aristospagang2446 yeah since the doesn't split their groups, if you three groups then the AI will chase one, you pull that one back while the other two groups are still raining arrows upon them, if they swap targets the you re engage with the fleeing group and flee the targeted group. Eventually the AI just stops chasing and sits there while you have them surrounded on all sides by horse archers. When their numbers run low and you see them breaking apart trying to engage everything at once, you unleash your melee cav and give the charge command to the Horse Archers and watch the bloodbath.
Extra tip: if you start running low on arrows, specially with a large army size, give the retreat command and do a new battle with their dwindled numbers, just like the Mongols would do.
@@aristospagang2446 in short: when using horse archers, if you use this tactic you literally cannot lose against the AI.
@@matheusmterra I wish he'd retest and try this
@@aristospagang2446 yeah me too, would be fun seeing someone more competent than me using this tactic, it's more of a Carhae tactic (the one that crushed Crassus) than Mongol, but still devastating.
It would be quite wrong to describe this war tactic as just mongolian, almost all ancient and now nomadic cultures used it. You can see the confused comments like, isn't that hungarian, turkic tribas were using that too
Yeah you're 100% right about that! I used Mongol in the description as it's generally the most widely known culture to use it (and YT hates long titles, so putting 10 names wouldn't work lol)
Out of every tactic I’ve seen with horse archers nothing beats just telling them to engage shooting and just running away is just op and if you have khans guard they have really good melee as well
Another great Video Strat!
If you dont mind me asking, what programm are you using for Editing :)
Thanks! DaVinci Resolve :)
@@Strat-Guides Thank you :)
Very cool
the micromanagement is insane for a mongol leader
Yeah using mounted troops is not easy to do in Bannerlord because the AI always wants to sacrifice them for no reason when you give them control haha
I wish the ai would properly skirmish but for me I’ve had most success by having one line that the enemy would focus on while I circle back behind their troops with a small contingent of troops and pick them off from behind. Against armies with a lot of cav tho I just tell my cav to follow me to attack them first otherwise things get annoying
Rts control with HUD is like "banana" gameplay. Anybody can do it. Do it from first person look for mounds to control it, no HUD (you take 2-3 hours to learn it it's easy not more) and no RTS camera of course, only FPPerspective. Overpowered is just ridicolous button mashing. Scary look for your character, well done.
The mongols were so deadly, best fighting force pre guns!
Nice video
cool strategy :)
Beautiful
I'd like to see Zhuge Liang's "Eight Gates Formation" against Khuzait cavalry to be lured and trapped inside from the openings part by part. But that's probably way too much for Bannerlord.
0:50 what button is it to get that menu up and what RTS camera mod are you using?
How do you get this camera angle in order to be able to command the battle? Is it possible on console?
It would be nice if the base game had a feature that let you place your troops like the order of battle phase except during the actual fight.
what does mean that?
in this game, player should earn, trade, recruit.
have a good time
@@idkname As in a strategic view of the battle that allows you to place your people from the sky or something. I probably could have explained it better.
@@abdurrazzaqmumin1574 aaa, cool. have a good time, man!
yoooo that's awesome
This tactic has also used by Turks in battles such as the battle of Manzikert and Mohacs.
Is this a mod that lets you spectate battles while commanding? I’m on Console and find it hard to use real time tactics when I’m racing around the map
Ayy strat stay hydrated and stretch a bit when u see this. Have a nice day bro.
I've got 2 kids under 3 so taking breaks and running around isn't an option - it's a requirement :D Thanks for watching!
THESE STRATEGY VIDEOS ARE GRRRRRREEEAAAAT!
have a good time, man
Lol Tony the Tiger?
This tactic is devastating. But the important question is: How can someone counter this "hit-and-run" tactic. The livestream some weeks ago didn't clear it up. (or maybe I didn't't get the point)
I love your content pls do more of this 🐐🐐🐐
Thanks! I'm trying to do at least one tactics video per week :)
@@Strat-Guides I'm glad to know that keep up the good work ❤❤❤
please tell me, how do you draw such battle schemes and what program do you use? I will be very grateful
If you're talking about the intro with the colored boxes, that's fine exclusively in my editing software called Davinci resolve (free)! You can look up tutorials on how to use it, but most of that work is done on the Fusion page, so maybe focus on that first
@@Strat-Guides thank you very much, you helped me a lot!
i remember when i sent you the tactics from the on discord. long time ago now
melee cav just all die every battle if you use F1 F3, which makes mounted tactics important if you want to win more then 1 battle with your expensive cav, horse archers are better, but they still run in 1 at a time unless you micro them like foot archers, F1 F3 is pretty decent when you have infantry against archers since you don't want your units to stand around eating arrows for too long
I swear I should have been a warlord back in the day because I figured out all this on my own in the game 😂 just makes sense really.
You would be surprised I think lol You probably have a mind for tactics that I think not a lot of others have naturally
When are you watching the Sturgia - Vlandia football match
How do you access your groups mid battle and adjust their numbers? Like splitting 100 melee calvary into two groups of 50?
Select the group you want to split, press F3 -> F5 and you'll get the pop up. Pick which group to move them to, adjust the slider for how many and you're good to go!
@@Strat-Guides Thank you. I really couldn't find this command, lol, and Googling it completely failed me.
The thing is Horse Archer KI was once so good.
It's more like the parthians vs romans considering the setting
Is it a mod to get the eagle eye view or am I just unaware of an important feature
How do you split your units? Which function keys do you use? I don't quite see an option for that.
Select the unit to split - press F3, F5 and it will bring the pop up to choose which group to move the units to and a slider for how many to move.
@@Strat-Guides thanks
Bro what u using to see like this and not becoming 3 person camera
Are you using a mod to command your army from the sky?? Also I saw you split your groups of troops up into smaller groups while already in combat is that a mod as well?
Yeah the first battle used a mod called RTS Camera mod. Splitting units mid battle is done on PC by selecting the unit you want to move, pressing F3, then F5 and you can pick where to move them and use the slider for how many troops to move around. Hope that helps!
@@Strat-Guides omg thank you I’ve been trying to figure that out ever since I saw you do it in your video
How do you command battles with the free camera mode like this???
what mod are you using for the rts camera?
mod is called rts camera
@@grimsurgent cool
have a good time
Is it a mod to be able to control battles like this and have that view from above? Or is thay some sort of replay afterward?
Yeah it's a mod called RTS camera
@@Strat-Guides thanks, it looks really helpful
What mod do you use to get an overview of the battle?
RTS Camera
How to access this kind of view(View from the top,see the entire battle field)? I play vanilla bannerlord 2 btw
Nice little graphic at the beginning. HA are often infuriating. Unless they ride mules.
Lol the infamous mule charge?!
Turks used it first. Mete khan, son of the first king of the first ever Turk Kingdom. Also it named as "Turan technique" and "Wolf Trap"
I like to hide my heavy Cavalry and infantry in a forest or behind a hill. A hill with trees is mint.and obviously lure the enemy out of position with horse archers. Then smash them when they are well spread out. P.s. your cowards comment made me chuckle and I'm kinda hangover St. Paddy's day and all.
hey man have a good time
how are you
what mod do u use I wonder and what settings u recomend for rbm
This was actually without mods (except the RTS camera for the first part). I usually play with default settings for RBM. I've played with the other settings a bit but I do like default settings
How does he split groups during battle, I can not figure that out
Select the group you want to split, press F3, then F5. It will pop up with the split menu, pick the group you want them to go to, move the slider for how many troops to move and you're good!
Taleworlds nerfed the fuck out of horse archers and made them incredibly stupid because players complained and complained that they would get crushed by enemy horse archers just circling around. I'd love to see the original AI for the horse archers return
how to zoom while in game when your still not dead?
Lol, i didn't know i was using a named strategy the whole time.😅 I play very cavalry focused with like 150 horse archers, 150 normal cav, 100 infantry and 50 archers. Always bait the enemy cav near my frontline and just delete it. The rest is easy. Without riders the enemy is helpless. The enemy archers have no chance against your horse archers and when they try shooting you, their infantry lets them unprotected. Than you only have to shoot the infantry from front and behind. They do not often reach my infantry. Lost 80 men in a battle 1200 vs 1200, but i didn't get any new troops on the field, because i lost not enough.😅
Have your tried the Parthian tactic