The Problem with the FL Studio Limiter
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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EXPOSING FL STUDIO (GONE WRONG)
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man rambles about a stock fl plugin for 12 minutes
The problem is nobody is educated about headroom. you shouldn't be limiting every single thing and peaking it like he is showing. I like to leave myself 6-7 dB of headroom and keep everything in the green. This way you will never have the problem of not being able to achieve certain dynamics you may want between your snare and kick, pads, and synths for example. All your maximizing and dynamics should be taken more seriously in the mastering stage. The mixing stage is all about being creative and having fun, settling out filters and creating reverbs in the mix.
your trippin. very helpful what he is saying.
@@mattlange5890 I think he was talking about mastering stage. Good point though.
@@mattlange5890 Wait wait wait, you get the joke though, right?
lads i was just kidding
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Just replace the Limiter with a few Soundgoodizers ;)
Now this guy knows how to make stuff SOUND GOOOOOOD
Soundgoodizer is Maximus. Maximus uses the Fruity Limiter's algorithm. So...
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Some extra context to this video below:
I made this video as a response to many of the project files I receive during livestreams.
A great deal of them still had the default fl limiter on their project, almost always negatively impacting their mixes.
Function wise it works the way it's intended. I don't think I claim that limiter itself is broken (besides that weird sidechain thing) but more the sound you get from it is not great (even after tweaking I still preferred the Pro-L).
The title can be interpreted many ways:
"The problem with the FL Studio Limiter".... is that it's default preset isn't great for mastering.
"The problem with the FL Studio Limiter"... is that it's on by default when you install FL so beginners are very often unaware of it and how it affects their mixes.
Not everything addressed in the video is an inherent problem of Fruity Limiter. Lots of plugins cause latency, so for any of those plugins, if you have stuff not routed to a mixer track first, they won't get PDC (Plugin Delay Compensation).
Comparing the two limiters when release and attacks are different isn't the fairest comparison but the point was more to demonstrate that the default one isn't great settings for mastering and should be tweaked further.
It's cool to see the discussion that's come from the video. I probably could have done a better job at explaining and demonstrating my points.
Thanks for Auvic for bringing up a lot of these points in his response video:
ua-cam.com/video/n19-SMW_SeE/v-deo.html
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Imagine line.
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When i first got fl i knew nothing about music and fl limiter diddnt come properly so it said there is no fruity limiter, and i was like 'my stuff can be unlimited'
KeanyGD Music looool that’s saddd
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unlimited hahahah
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what the
you're here too????????
Be careful to not be clipping 👌
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no limit for your fruitiness either
If your bus takes +12dB then you probably have an other big problem
"NOTE: The limiter section can be effectively bypassed by turning the ceiling (CEIL) to max and attack (ATT) to minimum." from the manual. also keep in mind you can overwrite the "default" preset to have your own preset loaded everytime you open any plugin.
cocorinow you actually read the manual????
Chavon James HE IS TOO STRONG OMG
I've been using FL for years and always wondered why this happened!
Thanks for sharing this~
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@@Doylebeats you got the ref ily
i got nothing cool to do
@@ouyashma4153 ily too
that was pretty cool
You were talking about this on the stream
trying to understand all this broke my puny brain
Basically what I'd say is, turn off the Limiter until you're comfortable mixing with EQs and Compressors and then when you're having issues with mixdowns or a master being a bit too loud at points but you want to keep it consistent and below 0db, use FLs Limiter - it's actually not as bad as this video makes out
"No master is better than a bad master" Daddy Dylan knows what's up.
Agreed 😂😂😂
So, in other words, it is a really good limiter :D if you know how to use it.
and ok limiter.
The comments : "the default setting doesn't sound good therefore it's bad"
Kooce a lot of stock things are trash. Get off the bandwagon.
I love it tbh my music rocks with it
@Kooce It depends on what your settings are. You can do a lot with it, you just have to know how to use it rather than just use the default setting or its presets
Super in depth and really informational . . . thank you for this
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Ableton limiter does what its job is, and the first time ive used ableton i immediately noticed the significant difference in sound and dynamics.. as dylan shows it was indeed the limiter, i would later replace the stock limiter with a Waves L1 limiter and it sounded the same in dynamic the way ableton was in the first place wirh its stock limiter..
3:10 realizes you can actually change release time
lmaooooo Real man of genius
I'm totally about to come off as 'that guy' here and I know FL Limiter isn't the best in the biz, but your reasons for it being bad were kind of weak. I mean first off you compare it to ProL with default settings, but then acknowledge that when you adjust the settings it sounds better (go figure). Your other point about it's sidechaining feature felt less like a criticism about the actual plugin and more about how someone who is using it who doesn't know how to use it will run into small yet significant obstacles...but I mean that's the case with most plugins - you need to know how to use them to use them properly. Granted the sidechain selector thing could trip people up, but it's not a hard thing to realize when you notice.
This video kind of feels akin to someone making a "The Problem with Ozone" video where they criticize it for not working on init settings and for not being able to understand every module without reading the manual or something...That's not an issue with the plugin that's just the user not understanding something right off the bat. I think there are certainly problems with FL's limiter but they're slightly more in depth than the ones you covered.
i dont see any problem with FL limiters :) ... anyway i agree with you
Was hoping someone would post something like this
You raise valid points but you're thinking of this from an advanced producer mindset instead of a beginner one (which is really who this video is for).
I try making that case at the start of the video but a huge amount of project files I receive during livestreams DO in fact have the default limiter on.
The comparisons were to show them how it (negatively) would be affect their mix and how they could go about improving that.
"The Problem with Ozone" wouldn't be an apt comparison because Ozone isn't on by default, but Fruity Limiter is.
That's why I've encountered this often enough to make a video about.
Ah, that makes more sense. So it's more like "The Problem with the Default Project Template" in a way then, rather than the problem with the overall plugin. I see what you're saying.
It's definetly the defaults not the plug in itself. But untill you find out - as a beginner - which knob does what, you generated lots of bad files.
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i mean woah this vst is fruity so pls no rude
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Never watched one of your videos without learning! Keep up the good work ;)
I just realized that I always had the limiter on😭
Same lol
THANK YOU. Took me a very long time to realise this while starting out.
i use ableton, i dont know why did i even watch this whole video.
at least i learned something about atack an release times
This saved me I always had to go the extra mile trying to mix and edit never understanding why everything didn’t fit together putting instruments in and always wondering why they sound like glue when together but when you listen to a song everything sounds nice and apart and then I figured out forever I was trying to work around fruity fucking limiter that was fucking everything up. It sucks cause u spent days tho mixing on some stuff and working around it and when I removed it, it all sounds like shit but I guess it won’t be the end of the world to go in and edit every mix but it always made me not wanna produce cause I never understood why it always was like stuck and glued together and as kinda a beginner I just thought it was me and left it as that. I always had to lower the volume and make it quieter to sound better and once I found out that this thing was always spawning in like a leach it really helped me. I noticed it before but thought it was just there and never did anything assume when it’s on default it doesn’t change anything so I left it always and I finally realized it’s fucking everything. Make my kicks so muddy and just garbage. I’m not the best mixer I really have no clue what I’m doing but finding that pile of steaming shit is the reason my stuff sounds so glued and stuck together it makes sense. It was limiting everything and brick walling it essentially so everything was forced to fight over each other instead of be free and work in layers so the lead and kick were always fighting and same with everything else. Every instrument I added the more glued it sounded and I always had to fight to work around it to solve that and I never really did till now.
You can turn the soft saturation knob (the red one) juuuust a little bit down so that it stays at 0.0 and still works. It retains the punchiness and works really well. I feel that sidechain part though. Happens a lot and I end up scratching my head for a min
I've been producing on FL for the last 11 years, and honestly the default limiter with the +6db boost helps me immensely with the mix, it makes everything sound like ass if things too loud in peak volume, then when everything is done I take out the limiter and I know I have a solid 6db of headroom to polish and master with. Sure u could use another limiter, but this uses barely any CPU and is usually already loaded up :)
Right... most people dont get the thing with the limiter. I do it like you say...i produce into the limiter and switch it off at the end before rendering my mixdown which goes into a master project anyway. But the limiter on the master bus gives me some pre-master that i can work with. I start with the kick at about -12 db...then bass and the other stuff...i always land at about -6 db without the limiter at the end...plenty headroom for mastering. 👍👍👍
Stock FL compressors and maximized have a “master” preset you can try in place of default limiter
Thanks dude i have been struggling with my overrall output for a long time and you have just hit the spot for me. I am only dependant on fl studios for my music eversince i started learning production on my own from scratch on youtube. I remember at first i saw your video a but did not get a single thing of what you were sayi lol now have come across it 2nd time it lit that whole shit up :) thanks man
My beats never thumped the way I wanted them to for years because of this. When i finally found out what was going on, my mind was blown. WHYYY is this limiter preset still the default in the latest FL studio? No other daw does this. Just let it clip and if we want to limit it, we will.
Dylan telling me that fruity limiter is shit was enough for me to go and *legally buy* fabfilter pro
Dylan is telling bullshit
@@feggyo no
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I’m trying to limit myself from making too many shitty puns
Amazing video! never cared about the limiter option before while sidechaining with the compressor
this was actually super helpful thanks!
THANKS HUGE DIFFERENCE! BEEN NEEDING THIS KNOWLEDGE !
@1:04 I freaking love you man! Thank you for your content.
*however*
Took the Pro-L.😔
got any crack version ?
YUNG FEN I think he made a pun, but use rutracker if you need a plugin
Buy it you pleb
This comment made me want to drink sodium hydroxide
Izotope Ozone also has a great maximizer.
Watching this and cringing realizing I sidechain by creating an automation clip for the gain so it manually gets quiet for a second when the kick hits instead of actually using the sidechain feature
So if the transients are squashed increase the attack time. You should never use presets for mastering. It is fully adjustable.
Hy Dylan and thank's for this.
There are many DAW's ... so everyone can use what he like (FL Studio, Cubase, Ableton ...) :D.
All the Best for your Work Dylen and all "Music Makers" too + nice days ;)
Throughout the video i thouth "shit, how am i gonna sidechain now"?
I use Pro-L too for limiting. But i always had the fruity limiter on the master (cause its there by default). Hope that changing that will fix things
I use fruity peak controller to sidechain ua-cam.com/video/QhoNlNPB73E/v-deo.html, jump to 4:04 in this vid. For my limiting I turn all the envelopes down in Fruity Limiter, boost the gain, then adjust the ceiling if I want an sort of clipping on the track.
I dont think thats the best approach.
Because when you change the volume manually, you can make it full quite and still hear some effects for eg reveerb on there. Hard to explain, but that is why some people use fruity balance to make a mixer track go abrupt full quite when it needs to (through automation).
You can still use Fruity Limiter to sidechain. Just make sure the ceiling on the limiter tab is high (or the input isn't going past 0 db in the first place). Dylan even explained this in the video.
2TheWindoBeats DONT sidechain in the mixer with this technique, bibd it to a fruity balancer for example or an compressor, but not on the mixer rack!
Jurgen there is nothing bad in setting ceil to 0db. This is a feature, not bug, that u can use FLimiter as limiter and compressor two in one.Increasing ceilings means that you only use the compression part of this plugin. Fruity Limiter is practically compressor too.
This is why I always set my main sidechain to Fruity Balance. More control also.
For master, Multiband Compressor + Maximus = Awesome!
Maximus works as multiband compressor too :)
KaptainKool101 I usually.... call me crazy.... but I use a transient processor on “Max highs” (tweaked ofc), Maximus, and multiband. Don’t listen to my music on my channel though, Che k the SoundCloud 😅
@@Stankboynastyplaya Wait, you're using a transient processor on your master?
@@Stankboynastyplaya LOL
Fantastic video man. very useful yet entertaining
ps, dylan, this is one of the best informative vids you've posted! THANK U BUDDDYYY
(omg the metal gear noise just happened LMFAO)
After 3 years i finally found that it was always on and turned it off, tracks got 100x better :/
Would you recommend using the compression tab if one wants to compress only, because then you can compress whilst seeing the wave form?
This is a very important tip. There are projects I've worked on without knowing this ... It's very hard to fix loudness or dynamic range when something goes wrong due to the balance set on the limiter settings
Fruity limiter is goated, u can use it as a clipper, saturator, compressor and as a limiter aswell. Ik its not the best limiter ever but its so useful, the deafult preset is just a terrible representation of how it can actually work.
That being said, I wouldnt use it as a compressor/limiter on buses or the master (u can still use it as a clipper/saturator there) for those cases I prefer waves api 2500 and camel phat.
Great tips.
Ive always thought that about the default master limiter.
Learned a valuable tip with that sidechain info as well.
Cheers!
Welp, I usually mix at -12 so I never really noticed these XD
I use Maximus anyway for mastering.
I don't have prob with it maybe you're using it wrong
yep. People usually say longer transients are what you should go for but they don't know anything. You should make it as long as possible without making the compression noticeable.
Great tutorial and painkiller for FL Limiter! I've also had the problem until I started to listen to what each param is actually doing :D but I have many bad mixes because of the FL Limiter...
Just isolate the frequencies that stand out in the transients and side chain them.
I usually have a sidechain ghost to prevent that issue at the end, it won't change if it's always at the very left (Or any place where you like putting your sidechain ghost). Plus it gives you more control because you can have the ghost trigger sidechaining when the kick isn't playing maybe at a buildup or something.
If I wanted to use the limiter as a side chain only, wouldn’t I also have to turn down the gain knob in conjunction to turning down the attack knob?
Next, try Maximus. It's better than Fruity Limiter but does have its flaws. For example, the low, mid, and high frequencies/waveforms don't align properly, causing to audio to be louder and distorted.
Fabfilter effect plugins all the way. One of the best limiters and the best EQ out there.
True. They have good tutorials for advanced producers too on their channel. Helped me a lot!
Yes, their tutorial videos are awesome. It helps that they always use "Dan Worrall", who is the best tutorial demonstrator ever. He explains everything so clearly and simply that anyone can understand, even some of the more complex stuff.
Still, to fully get the information out of it you sometimes have to watch the tutorials multiple times. There is a lot of stuff in it!
musicdoge ... Yeah for sure. I used to download the tutorials and reproduce in my DAW what Mike was demonstrating, step-by-step, until I understood exactly what each plugin was doing to the audio. 👍
SONNOX/OXFORD is the holy grail of digi Limiters but Fabfilter Pro-L is awesome too 👍👍
Thanks for telling me about the issue with limiter! I bet i did that mistake many times.
THANK YOU! That explains so much!
The last thing about side chaining has happened to me so many fkn time i hate it
the attack on fruity limiter also uses look-ahead processing so turning the attack knob to 0 should at least bring back the transients
If you turn it to 0 then you'll have no lookahead, which won't bring the transient back (it's still limiting the peaks, but exactly when they hit, not like a little before, so you don't win any transients) but you also distort the peaks a lot (as it was in the clip with the kick). So, a better approach to the attack would be to lower it until it starts distorting and then pull it a little back in the safe zone. But lowering the attack might require leaving a lower ceiling because the inter-sample peaks (when converting to analog signal, e.g. aplifiers) at the peak are going to peak higher over 0. And Fruity Limiter doesn't have a true-peak limiting built in.
For the issue of ordering your sidechain inputs and accidentally rearange them. I usually handled it like this: left most mixer track is my SIDECHAIN track. This track will not play audio to the master track, it will be silenced and just for sidechain purposes. Then i route every signal that should control the sidechaining to this track. So all the kicks, maybe the snares and so on will be routet to this SIDECHAIN track. (Since this track will not play through master, they are still routed to the master itself, as i said this track will just be used for sidechaining your song). Then lets say i have a bass group that should get sidechained by all the kicks and snares. This track has a Fruity Limiter on it. Since i combined all the kicks and snares into one single SIDECHAIN track i can now sidechain this Bass group by the SIDECHAIN track. Notice how this SIDECHAIN track is the left most track all the time. Now you can rearrange all your mixer tracks without effecting the order of them for sidechaining (since you have only one track which controls sidechaining, which is always the left most track)
What software do you use to edit your videos?
*Also could you maybe show how you edit them? youre really good with it*
Subscribed to U, it's great that we got new tricks to deal with the limiter..
Very informative video.
Please make more videos like this
FeelsLimitedMan
How to take off the Limiter, if I already started the project, but i did not know that thing? :) And I don't want to start it from the beginning again?
8:30 actually this was so annoying for me because in my personal template, I had the kick on insert 11 and all the synths on 1-10 meaning I had to adjust the sidechain whenever I routed a new synth track to sidechain Channel. Seriously, other Plugins manage to change this for you, why not one of the 3 stock plugins I use :thinking:
I mean you could always move your drums to inserts 1-10 with your kick on insert 1 and have your synths on insert 11 onwards in your default template, that's what I do
THANK YOU THIS HELPED OUT A LOT!
Maximus doubles as a limiter, but it sounds MUCH better at default, and you can master and compress with it
Sonnox Oxford & Fabfilter Pro-L are dope Limiters... T-RackS has a good brickwall limiter too 👍💣🎵
I am so pissed that I didn't see this before the FLP's of my old songs got deleted...
I don't have a fucking clue what I've learned from this video. To be honest I'm overwhelmed by this software because there is so much to learn
I can't tell how many times that stupid limiter messed up my tracks
To be fair, most of that sidechaining issues can be easily fixed by first using the plug in properly...
Thnx bro for sharing it.
Very helpful
Thanks Dylan 🙂
There's at least one other thing you forgot with the sidechaining.
If you want a very quick release for your sidechain, depending on the sound, it can kind of distort your sound if you put the release too fast.
This can be very annoying if you want a sound to quickly jump back to its original volume right after the sidechain.
This isn't a problem if you have a simple 4 to the floor pattern for your kick (if that's what you're sidechaining it from) because then you could use something else, but if you use a more complex kick pattern and want that very fast release, depending on the sound, it can cause some unwanted distortion.
As a mixing and recording engineer who works with a lot of rappers. 90% of all beats my clients bring to our sessions that aren't multi tracked out are destroyed by this plugin.
Is it bad to produce with the default limiter on when you start up fl??
I`m listing to this with headphones I honestly can hear that much of a difference.
best video u make ! bro
the attack knob @ the limiter delays the input btw
THANK YOU
people starting out in FL Studio SHOULD HAVE THE STOCK LIMITER ON BY DEFAULT. what's the alternative? not have it and let the audio clip and blow out their speakers.
Fl Studio did an oopsie
Is it okay to throw a limiter on after your mixing to bring out the fullness? I need help
also the curves make a difference
Totally agree,after using FL studio for 10 years I think this is a time to quit and learning protool ,sorry FL,there are lots of things behind like out of sync and many more,
quality content as always
Thank you for this ! I like.
in my flstudio the limiter compresses the signal before 0 DB, it is not limited in the correct 0DB. Could you tell me what the problem might be and tell me how to solve it? please
I agree. I stopped producing with the limiter on my master years ago. Still can't believe FL would have this as the default option
Do you think it's good to use it for sidechain or does it compress everything you're sidechainning?
thank you
Great vid fam preciate you
I barely hear the differences, do I need a better headphone?
if youre not a producer its definitely harder to notice, if you are then, what headphones are you using?
I guess the ears are more important, I can hear the difference even though I use really crap trash headphones.
(I'm not saying that I have awesome ears, but that I hear "some" difference)
You need a better brain to process the information you hear
"better brain"?? wth
just more practice.
@@MaemiNoYume omg the community here is full of triggered people who don't get any jokes and think they're the biggest pro's
I think it's an issue that there is no decelerating curve REL 2 setting like in maximus.
Also an integrated adjustable High Pass filter for the sidechain signal would be great, even if that can be solved using an extra mixer channel.