Has Dan Found His Ultimate Flanger Pedal? - That Pedal Show
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- We demo a selection of flanger effects pedals for electric guitar including the Thorpy Camoflange, Dreadbox Komo Rebi, Retro-Sonic Flanger and a vintage Electro-Harmonix Deluxe Electric Mistress.
So, um, yes he has! In this episode we pick up from where we left off well over a year ago in ‘Dan Wants A New Flanger’, which you can watch here: • A New Flanger That Sta...
Like a fine wine or maybe one of those truly gopping mouldy cheeses, the question of Dan's flanger has needed time to ferment and mature into a well rounded answer… not least while Thorpy was developing the new Camoflange with the help of British guitar effects guru, Dan Coggins. Which means there are no prizes whatsoever for guessing what Dan’s new favourite flanger is. He’s really quite ripe about it.
Let’s flange and…
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Pedals & stuff in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• Mooer Spark Flanger - No longer made
• Boss BF-1 - No longer made
• EHX Electric Mistress - No longer made, link to newer version bellow
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2JxuLZk
USA: bit.ly/3oGacAw
• Dreadbox Komo Rebi
www.dreadbox-fx.com/komorebi/
• A/DA PBF Flanger
www.adaamps.com/Products/ada-...
• Retro-Sonic Flanger
www.retro-sonic.com/flanger
• Thorpy Effects Camoflange
UK & Europe: bit.ly/39Pslnu
Australia: bit.ly/2PL6KFP
USA: bit.ly/3DLc80u
• Kingsley Harlot V3
kingsleyamplifiers.com/product...
• Ibanez Mini Analogue Delay
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2XhfC56
USA: imp.i114863.net/5Joo9
• TheGigRig G2
www.thegigrig.com/g2
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro playing: 0:00
- Right.. Flangers!: 2:20
- Amps we’re using today…: 5:30
- Dan plays a nice chord: 6:49
- Mick has a ‘new’ Strat!: 7:35
- Let’s start with the Mistress: 9:04
- And add some gain with the Harlot V3: 11:22
- Some BF-1 beatboxing: 15:14
- Dan’s flanger requirements: 17:22
- Mooer SLF1 Spark: 19:30
- What’s regeneration?: 22:54
- Maxing out Regeneration/Feedback on the Komo Rebi: 25:32
- What else can the Komo Rebi do?: 28:42
- A word on the A/DA Flanger: 35:13
- Crazy Regen from the A/DA!!: 38:40
- What’s the Retro-Sonic pedal?: 40:12
- Mick has a play on the Retro-Sonic: 43:03
- Comparing the Retro-Sonic to the Electric Mistress: 44:30
- The story behind the Camoflange 46:21
- Let’s listen to Dan’s new favourite flanger: 48:30
- And add some overdrive! 51:45
- What Mick has learned about flangers today: 55:08
- Overdrive before or after flanger?: 57:50
- Dan summaries his thoughts: 1:00:15
Guitars in this episode:
• PRS DGT - Mick’s video at bit.ly/2d8Xo2I
• Fender Custom Shop 1963 Telecaster - Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dlZJ6K
• Supro Jamesport - no video yet
• Fender American Vintage ’59 Stratocaster - no video yet
Amps in this episode
• Orange Tremlord 30 112 / Lavoce Speaker
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USA: bit.ly/3EQnKBL
• Matchless HC-30 with Hughes & Kettner Vintage 212 / Celestion G12M Greenback
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According to the auto-captions, that Matchless Czech Drug Lord 30 is one sweet amp
Hahaha!!!!
Someone needs to make an amp called the 🇨🇿 💉 ✝ now. 😆
Hey guys! I love both of you and the content you all put out and I will never stop enjoying it it, but I wanted to share something and hopefully you all see this. Now I know in the grand scheme of things my opinion doesn’t matter and you all are going to and should do what’s best and right for you guys- and there’s nothing wrong with that whatsoever. I just wanted to say I first found you guys years ago with no to little knowledge of pedals, pedalboards, and the like and I can now attribute a large portion of my knowledge to you guys. From your videos, you have equipped me with information that’s actually been able to help a lot of my friends with their music and effects questions and also with purchasing equipment that best suits them- which is a huge deal. I just wanted to tell y’all please don’t stop making informative videos that really go in depth about how pedals, amps, and guitars work and how they all intermingle with each other. You guys really are a valuable resource whether you think so or not and you both are truly making an impact in people’s lives- at least in my life. Thank you both so much and I hope you all have a blessed holiday season!!!
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment - we genuinely appreciate it! Without you fine folks, this show is nothing, so thank you again for the kind words and feedback!
same story for me InLostMotion. I came to TPS a few years ago to watch the vid on Pedal Order. I went from 4 pedals to 14 in a year and gained a ton of knowledge from these guys. went back and watched all past eps and haven't missed one since.
Well spoken :o)
I sold all my pedals and got a Helix, but I still watch this because you’re nice and entertaining. :)
Truly awesome, entertaining and informative videos - I went from 1 to 10+ overdrives!
This might explain it better. I was messing around with Flanging/Phasing in 1967. Michael Dacre Barclay of Decca Records showed me how to get it on a mono domestic tape recorder. It simply involved putting a shiny piece of plastic (i.e. slippery) over the erase head - in order that one can record and playback at the same time. Now once you've recorded the unaffected bit of music that you want flanged/phased you introduce the mic adjacent to the speaker that the music is playing back through. In other words you are recording from the speaker the music playing back on the same piece of tape. By moving the mic a short distance back and towards the speaker the effect is made and recorded on to the original dry piece of music.
No pedals of this existed anywhere then. Great fun! I was sixteen at the time and working at Decca (where I was also a pal of Mike Vernon) it felt like being at the centre of the universe. Cheers, Pete.
That is amazing! Thank you P!
Barney Kessel over there....Barney Rubble. I laughed hard! Thanks!
Thanks mate! instead of getting the Thorpy I think I'll just find a cheap walkman and a plastic bag laying about...NOT!
Such a cool story!
Komorebi in Japanese means 'sunlight filtering through tress'
One (dual mode) overdrive.
One delay.
SEVEN FLANGERS!!
Alright got my next board sorted.
Dan’s face during this entire episode!! Like a kid in a candy store! So inspired...
Dan has a knack for finding the sweet spots for every pedal.
Well, I've never liked the sound of flange, certainly never owned a flange pedal, but you guys are likely the ONLY two gents I'd watch talk about them for an hour, and with a massive smile on my face. Thanks as ever guys.
It’ll be nice once Thorpy has tackled every type of pedal. His stuff is so good
Yep!
but does he make a distortion to rival the REVV G4?
Ibanez mini delay is the unsung hero of this episode
Hi, guys. The Komorebi (木漏れ日) is pronounced with long O's. The Re has a long A sound, as in "ray". Finally, the Bi is a long E, as in "bee". Komorebi means "sunbeams" in Japanese and that is, in fact, what the kanji spells out between the knobs. Greetings from Tokyo. ❤️ Think sunlight streaming through a forest canopy and you've got the meaning. [ Edit to add: I have an early 2000s analog Maxon FL301 reissue flanger that I love to bits. Dialling back the width and regen and putting a Danelectro Tuna Melt tremolo behind it is pretty freaking tasty. ]
Nice. These are nice images! Thank you Trane!
I will never get tired of flanger episodes. Great job as usual guys
15:48 amazed by Dan’s fingerpicking
Incredible tones today! The amps, the pedals, the guitars... everything!
Cheers!
Wow that Dreadbox sounds awesome, what a fun sound! And yeah Dan, the Thorpy is killer too! Love your enthusiasm!
The Dreadbox was my personal fave of the flangers... but that Kingsley, oh my goodness.
Mick - I think there's a bit too much top end on the orange......Dan's Face: yeh mate whatever!!
Dog ears. Mick, this stuff doesn't come though UA-cam. I mostly listen to these though a Focusrite interface and studio monitors and when you jump up to "fix" something, I've often no idea why.
@@stevekirby7333 because theyre playing for their enjoyment
@@stevekirby7333 It's usually input gain on the recording channel strips. Conscious of clipping. Otherwise it might be subtle once recorded but in the room just makes things about more comfortable and flowing for me and Dan. I think a lot of people maybe don't realise these shows are basically one take, playing and everything. It really helps to be comfortable and enjoying the sounds. We're both the kind of guitarists who play so much worse when we don't like the sound!
Great show gents! Thanks for the update on Dan’s quest for the ultimate Flanger (replacement for the Mistress). Sounds great!!
This episode is yet another great example of gorgeous things that make one want to pick up and play. Enthusiasm and experimentation for the win. Thanks guys!
Can we get a "That Previous Flanger Show" t-shirt?
i want that
Flange that top end! Surprised self- modulation passed without DAN in hysterics !!! Great episode guys & congrats Adrian !!!!!
As usual, QUALITY content! Well done!!
I’ve never considered how Flange might punch up my playing. Really fascinating stuff. Glad I watched even though flange wasn’t on my radar... now it’s a MUST HAVE!!!
Many thanks! Cheers!
Good lord- the komorebi is amazing- wow. The part with the Harlot into the komorebi is just so deep, rich, animated, and interesting sounding- simply amazing.
I want that Camoflange! Wow! Thorpy’s pedals are great and this one sounds like the best one yet!
Flange is my favorite effect also. Thank Dan for sharing you hunt for your perfect flanger. I lean your way, crystalline with no jet. I always enjoy yours and Mick’s journeys. And a belated Happy Birthday.
Outstanding!!!!!! Been looking forward to this one 🥃
You have forever changed the way I think about flanging. Dreadbox Komo Rebi is very cool. Very, very cool.
Thanks again for another wonderful show. I look forward to Friday evenings !
+1 and many a thumbs up for seeing the DGT!
Best intro duet ever! Who knew Mick could play pedals as well as he plays guitar?
when mick took out the weird guitar and just went off on a flange journey,that was really cool, you two should def use that sound for a new song!!
Big thumbs up from me on the Thorpy flanger. I’m with Mick in that the blend control solves probably the main issues I have with this type of modulation. Dan putting the dial on 9 o’clock sounded immense!
Yep, that Thorpy sounds beautiful. I love that its more JRC 120 chorus-ish and not whooshing jet sounds. Stunning.
Hard to beat Thorpy. Everything from him that I've heard has been amazing.
“Is the flange 100% wet?”
I spat my coffee out at this point
JosEvan888 Flange is one of the all time greatest words ever. Makes me snigger every time I hear it.
Bahahahaha... TPS is branching out to comedy! Keep your flanges nice and wet for us, boys!
Had to google that one. Oh well...
It is the sole reason my first pedal was the Boss BF-2 and it is purple! I still use it after nearly 20 years and it rules!
Komorebi “Sunshine filtering through the leaves of trees” This is Me on every conceivable level ❤️ Please have one sent over immediately 🙏
I've got an old MXR Flanger and finally an explanation of what REGEN actually does. Thanks lads for another great ep. Rock🤘🤟🖖🤙
That taste of Thropy just opens up the sound and makes it huge. What a tone! Flangers have always come closest to the slow Leslie sound for me when you want to play Badge or something. And several of these do that. But the Thorpy has a sort of Dimension sound to it that just fills up the room.
Dan, if you want to accentuate the leading edge or transient of a note, try turning the pick to the side as Matt Schofield does. With a square edged pick (as opposed to a nicely smoothed one, or worn) I've found that I can get closer to that dynamic thing that he does where notes jump with extra thickness as well as in level. Not the same as a leading edge "chirp" but just that grab you by the collar "listen to this note" thing that he has.
Wow! I'm definitely getting a camoflange! That's great stuff! Sounds awesome!😃
Loved that jazzy Jingle Bells at 7:52 !! Well done Mick !! :D :D
31:17 - This tone is a very "Tool" esque sound. I love it!
Hah!
First time of reading a reference to TOOL on tps! And right as I was thinking, "Man... Opiate!"
So hyped for this episode lets DO THIS
Looking at your shirt Mick, I think you missed out on "T Shaped Owl Hat"
Dan: I still play the Top Gun Theme. Like the best plate of chips, it is hoaching with cheese 😁
Stuart Bowlerwell cheese is indeed the word!
Been eagerly awaiting this one, I too have an original 18v mistress that I love, but it's so fragile and finicky, excited to see how these others stack up
TPS would release a flanger episode the day after I rearrange my board and swap the flanger for a chorus... I thought I was set for a while but of course now I want to swap back. It never ends! Thanks guys :)
Phenomenal show as usual gents! I recently acquired an identical Supro Jamesport on a lark. I must say I’ve been completely taken aback by the character of that unassuming goldfoil. Seems it also has a rather unique interaction with the volume knob. Very cool!
Love Dan's playing
I never owned a mistress but every time I got to play one, I just got lost in the sounds for an hour. Beautiful and inspiring sound.
Really dig that Black Strat! Thanks for the post.
Hey Dan! Thanks for finding the perfect flanger. I’ve had the A/DA PBF model for some time and it does sound great, but I’ve always missed that top end you mention. I am very glad I don’t have to explain watching a video discussing the mistress and harlot and how they sound so good together.
Awesome as usual! I might have to look into getting the Thorpy when it comes out. I agree with Mick about the issues of most flangers being either too harsh or not ideal tones.
Hmmmm, why is the CamoFlange Dan's favorite?
1. It has lots of knobs
2. It has flashy green lights
3. It's really shiny!
:-))
i think the Roxanne is hard to beat...
I have ordered a Thorpy Flanger!! it ticks all the boxes I could hope for :) that blend/tone knob alone is a major perk
Happy Birthday Dan!! Mean trick about the 2x12 Mick! Haha
I didnt know I am THAT interested in pedals, watched the whole thing and I will definitely stay for more
I have not seen the video yet, but....Has Dan found his ultimate Flanger Pedal? NOO!! There´s no way to do that hahaha, the Pedal Journey is endless.
Greetings from Spain, I love your channel!
Love my newly purchased Camoflange. Exceptional for quality mistress tones and more 🎸
absolutely loved "Jammin with the BF1 " :-) , The Komo Rebi is my fav ...
When I put my Mistress on top of certain amps I can get different rhythmic patterns from it depending on the knob settings. I’ve recorded some of ‘em and then used the recordings in making beats. 😇
I don’t think I have ever had a flanger on my board maybe this video shall change my mind. Maybe this sound will make a come back. Lol ...... I kid because I love . You guys know that ;)
looking Forward to the video as always
Bought the Retro Sonic and Camoflange because of this episode. The Hartman is incredible also!!!!
Can I ask - Which one is more Andy Summers-like? I am looking for a: chimey, shimmering, chorusy Flanger? Appreciate any input. ( currently using the E-Lady)
Often, the best part of my week.
I went for the Komo-Rebi in the end, because it offers a wide range of tones from 'normal' to 'insane' (it does a nice CE-2 type chorus as well on subtle settings), it works well with synths, and it looks f***ing cool...
Hi did your Komorebi come with a dedicated power supply? Have you had any noise issues? Thanks
@@theredfaceofficial It does, yes…and it’s a noisy pedal.
That Camoflange is outstanding!
Here’s an idea- make your own flanger using the wetter box. Flange is pretty simple to make using other pedals after splitting and recombining signals. You could even use a master sequencer pedal to sync up multiple modulation effects. The man made his own pedalboard version of a tape echo, for Pete’s sake!
Last year you guys made a really big deal about the Earthquaker Pyramids at an event and shot a few videos. You mentioned that you may have found Dan's new flanger back then and that you would be getting one when you got back home so you could spend more time with it on the show. We haven't seen it again, are there plans to bring it back?
Dan's new flanger is always the next new (good) flanger!
Got GAS?
Pyramids is a beast. Has so much though I wish I could midi (or foot) switch through the presets. It kills in a stereo rig. Covers a few flavors of flange and all chorusing needs for me, for now.
From subtle to jet. Superb!
I love my TC thunderstorm flanger. Analogue bucket brigade yoke was only about 30 quid. Sounds great
Got one used too. Very usable kinda versatile, dirt cheap
I completely get where Dan is coming from here. Once you find *your flanger* it bleeds into your soul, let alone your sound, & trying to find a replacement/alternative is a bastard of a struggle.
I completely agree with your appreciation of a more subtle use of effects, particularly time effects. Just a slight bit of flange to add, as you say, “shimmer”, really works for me, so much more than the “Here’s a flanger on”, sound. Same for delay. chorus, tremolo, etc., in so many instances.
I have had the TC Electronics, Stereo Chorus, Pitch Modulator and Flanger (black box with attached power cord) on my board since the early ‘90s when it was considered to be the absolute best chorus, etc., pedal. I expect that you guys are quite aware of it. In my opinion, it still provides the most musical chorus and flanger and is unmatched by anything since.
Halfway through this deep-dive into flangers (educational as usual) I noticed your That Pedal Show anagram t-shirts. That's awesome. Help Thaw Toads indeed 🤘. Gonna go find out what flanger Dan has been using recently. Cheers, y'all.
You guys are simply the best!
Awesome video thank you! One avenue that hasn’t been explored on the show is stereo amplifiers and I am hopeful that might come in the future. My main interest is the magnatone amps with stereo vibrato! Also tonebender episode?
One hour of flanger? I need a coffee for this!
Coffee is required for all pedal shows. Like popcorn with a movie.
Just watch out for the wetter flanges , they cause coffee spatter.
@@planetpjr argh, I can't watch the Jerry. Apologies in advance.
I’ve had my 59 American Vintage Strat for several years now. Love it. I really think it’s as close to a Fender custom shop in terms of quality that you can find for the money
uhhhh.. that mick's prs again after a long time.. love it!
Not really into flangers but stayed for the Harlot WoW what a great box for an extra gain stage Very cool 👍
Great show, guys! I still love my MXR flanger, and find it inspires some fun heavier riffs.
Micks riffing with the Supro was extraordinary. What a great sound
Thank you!
Great show !! I wish that DGT was coming out more often. I love that sound.
On a second point thanks Dan for the technical lowdown on flangers, that will help building my own on the Zoia.
Idk how but you guys are posting videos about the specific things that I’ve trying to figure out lately and they’re posting just as I’m thinking about them. Most notably the recent EL84/Vox video, as I’m searching for a Vox style amp, and now a video about searching for an Electric mistress style flange as I am looking for one... it’s like you are reading my minds 😂
LOVE seeing the Tremlord in there!!!
Loved Mick’s ‘BBC-style present tense history narrative’ interjection, gonna heat (and use) that everywhere now!
For a long time I could not understand why anyone would use a flanger. I had tried a couple but did not find them useful. After your previous episode on flangers I decided to get one again and then I realized I had been doing it all wrong. On a flanger, the typical pedal approach (start with all knobs at noon, then all of them on full) does not work. No: with a flanger you set all of the pots conservatively and start to raise only one of them past noon. A much easier approach to a good sound. Once you learn that you realize that the flanger is one of the most powerful effects there is. Anything from a doubling type of sound to a chorusy sound to a jet plane swoosh and beyond. I really love mine now, thanks to your show.
Very interesting! Too bad though you didn't include the Alexander Pedal f13 Neo Flanger. It also does the Blend/Mix and a lot more in a very compact Size.
My favorite That Pedal Show shows is the shows about pedals.
This is the nicest sounding amp combination in a while
Well, I was really stoked to see this video for I am also a flange junky. However, I felt like you didn't spend nearly enough time finding sounds with the Thorpy that sound as inspiring as the ones you got with the Dreadbox. We've been talking for weeks about this flanger, and I feel like Dan kinda let Mick hit the "wrap-it-up" button too soon on that one. Hopefully you'll bring it back and just do a good playthrough of the Camouflange. At first I was like Awww Yeahh! And then I was like wait what?! IT was just starting to get good! In the meantime, I'll go listen again...love you dudes! Aloha
Hey Dan (and Mick) love the show been watching since the beginning when you guys first started and love your content. I learn something new every week and it makes me want to start my own studio in the future. Dan i know you have a love for flanger pedals so I want to recommend one to you just as another colour to try out. I love my Ibanez CF7 Chorus/Flanger so much and have been using it for over 10 years now. Its from the Tone Lok series of pedals and i really like the tones i get out of it. It has a knob to control the delay time and I find it very useful for dialling in the perfect sound I'm looking for. The level does drop a bit in the wack'd mode but that is more for the crazy sounds (though i've found some very subtle setting there too), but the normal mode is full and fat. Love it on clean sounds (almost an always on pedal for me) and its killer after a fuzz for solos. The speed and depth controls can be set to 0 meaning you can set a fixed delay point which can be really cool for a solo with a short tape delay. Just wanted to mention it to you because I don't see a lot of people talking about it and its become a favourite of mine over the years. Keep up the awesome show guys and cheers from Perth! Would love to see you guys down under someday :)
Befor on the left and After on the right would give a huge Guitar part😉🤘
Flanger is an effect I get sick of pretty quickly, but I loved the sound of the EHX with the Harlot through those amps, and I can see some real potential in the camoflange.
Came here for the Flanger, left wanting the Harlot
It is great! Mine arrived April 2019. Sold my original Marshall Bluesbreaker Mki and nearly no worse off on the pocketbook.
Lol...same here, sounds awesome.
Late to this but instantly "Came here for the mistress, left wanting the harlot" came to mind.
That's what I was thinking.
But I love the mistress
"it's a handy beat box" laughed out loud fellas!
Great show guys. Slightly off topic: dan, do you have some photos over the years of the wear and tear to red? I know there's a chip in there that you're not happy about but over all its looking well well loved. Would be great to see a 5-10 min vlog on that guitar (and include the time you lost it :P)
appreciate honest comments subject to taste, makes me want to listen more often.
Awesome sounds!
Nice one. I have the A/DA here - the sockets are too close together for most pancake type plugs, but I've just discovered the SquarePlug - sorted. The adjustments are sensitive, the odd-even thing comes into play depending where it's set, odd sounds better for the more chorus type sounds.