Best Ways to Deal With Resistance - Hoi4
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- Starts off by going over how resistance works and the different ways to deal with resistance. Then goes over the different divisions you may want to use. Followed by testing to show how much each division costs by IC and Manpower
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0:00 Explaining Resistance Mechanics
5:10 Different Divisions to Consider
10:00 Testing Results - Ігри
Flame tanks should get Mad resistance suppression bonus.
lol such a NOD thing to say, Kane should be proud
Why
Kane lives
@@misterxxxxxxxxx1 Take a guess. Lmao
Same for SPAA and Autocannon tanks
in stark contrast to feedbackgaming you put it out 100% correct and you explained the function well.
well done 101
Is Feedback the worst HOI4 channel? all his videos are annoying clickbait, he is one of the lowest skilled youtubers around, he doesnt spend a single second researching any of his videos, almost everything he says is false, his videos are full of ads sponsorships and shaddy links
He keeps making videos like "THE BEST TANK" or "THIS IS THE NEW COMPETITIVE META" and the actual video is 3 minutes of raid shadow legends and then some guy with a neckbeard reading half of the patchnotes lives and then making one of the worst templates possible
Yeah, that guy just gives me weird vibes so I never watch him
@@juncheok8579 hes a cool youtuber but his guides take 9,000 years to get the direct answer to and they don't have timestamps
@@juncheok8579 i thought i was the only one, yeah something always feels off
@@juncheok8579 His video's are too clickbaity.
Note that hardness seems to be capped at at a max of 80% when used for suppression. This means its useless to use 90%+ hardness med/heavy tanks for suppression.
u should be on secret police force until 25% as u reduce the garrison loss and the speedloss of compliance gain is nonexistant but from 30-50% there is about 1 uear time difference as civilian gets better to get the 10% more factories
What I don’t understand is that the civs are not showing as extra on my factory tabs. Not sure if is not bugged.
AMAZING video and explanation of it all, thanks a ton! :)
fantastic video! thank you for doing it!
best video on suppression yet thank you
Great analysis, thanks!
Excelent video, keep up mate
Oh man thx for the video. I tested that in an actual running MP Match :D. LT GAR is the new Meta :D. Pls keep up the good work.
what, it was before nsb
True story, thanks for the video!
Great video as always! Keep it up! Question, would u think its a good idea to gradually add light tanks to a cav only garrison division? Thanks!
You can. There is nothing stopping you from mixing the templates.
I could be wrong but if I interpreted the data correctly the pro gamer move would be a 2 width light tonk with the cheapest armor/IC ratio. So maybe 1934 light tanks, not IW
@@ThatOliveMrT interwar would cost 2.4 ic, 1934 chassis costs 2.6 ic. So no use interwar.
Really nice guide as always, with some really good explanations, so would you say that armored cars are worthless in any ways ? (I some times use them as support recon in my military police template to have some armor and hardness, is it really worth in the end ?)
As far as I know support companies don't add harsness to a division ( i cant check right now though). If they do adding them to a 50 width isn't goong to do much anyways.
Armoured cars still provide the highest reconnaissance value if you care for that.
Recon light tank will give you a booster in the status of your divisions that, I think are a lot better than any recon and armor bonuses that you can get with armored cars. Though, to use them in garrison would make them useless because of how little it would increase the armor of the division, without count that It would make the division more expensive unnecessarily.
@@sacia4339 Armour in a division doesn't actually matter for resistance. Hardness does though. Also, I checked and support armoured recon doesn't give hardness so there is 0 point in adding it for that.
I think armored car recon has the highest recon value of any type
@@71Cloak Thanks. I didn't know.
Thank God for a resistance video. I have had games where I lose more manpower to resistance than I do fighting on multiple fronts - and *nothing* I tried seemed to resolve it.
Love your content, it's fantastic :)
Thanks for the video
Hey man, love your content. Do you have a disc server?
It would be nice if you could test some mixed divisions as well, and also mention that armored cars while more expensive are very useful as recon divisions and so you might already be producing them all game and have a decent stockpile. For instance how having just a few light tanks mixed into your full cav with mp and see how that effects losses and IC cost. ofc once you get huge IC cost becomes less of a factor but it would be nice to see if theres a truly meta design of mixed cav tank for garrisons.
For the recon, properly designed light tank is better :)
rewatching this now
wait so pdx really made one of their latest dlc addition: armored cars in la resistance literally become useless due to tank designs added in NSB?
is there any reason to use armored cars anywhere? knowing recon is virtually useless
nope :/
armored cars can go very fast if you modify their engines but you can still make faster light tanks (technically the armored cars are much cheaper for this but they have less org, so you can't vroom far anyway and this entire speed thing is just a meme ua-cam.com/video/80yMXqlWW_0/v-deo.html)
they might have been useful since there is the anti-tank armored car hidden in the tech tree, which you could use for armored car recon supports, but it's still not worth it economically or performance wise which leads into the following point
since you cant combine recon companies (armored recon is straight up better) in the way you can supplement support artillery with support rocket artillery...
recon armor cars hurt your bottom line by preventing you using armored recon
technically armored cars require less research and army experience to set up, but they're a very weak stopgap measure compared to just using horses or setting up garrison light tanks since cars are still more expensive than the light tanks to produce, so... just forget this section of the tech tree exists honestly
@@Technae thats actually sad, PDX reeeeeeaaaaally needs their QA back
they used to be a decent niche in la resistance as support companies, but designing tanks means you can make better AT lights than the 1944(is it 44 or 46? I forgor) AT car variant(also a lot earlier), or at the very least you're not using any extra research in doing so
also I loved that video, thanks
also, I could be wrong but IW tank base research is 179 days, whereas IW cars are 200 days
Have you seen Remans video about suppression laws?
No.
Could you do another testing after PDX changed garrison laws in 1.12?
I suppose a less micromanagement-heavy way of doing it would be to have a single Cav+MP garrison template for everything, then over time as you get light tanks as spoils of war, edit the template to add more and more light tank battalions to it as your stockpile builds up.
Do not use that division to garrison, they cost a lot of support eq for such little gain, can actually cost more than non MP cav
Great video, bonus points for muting music.
A question: do armored battalions(tanks and cars) use oil if used as garrison?
No
thanks for the video. Any advice on when to release nations as collaboration government?
You should really only do it for 2 reasons. 1. You are going tobbe stuck in the war for a long time and your compliances is going to drop becuase of it. (Occupied in exile reduces compliance gain). 2. You need better access to their manpower to supply your army or help with garrisons. Only do this for countries with very large manpower pools.
@@71Cloak yeah collabs need a buff. Objectively speaking you should get more value out of a willing partner than an oppressed state
12:30 But can this only long-term saving be offset by you getting more compliance and more factories and such?
Stupid quest But doesn’t resistance over time decrease in those three years together with compliance going up or are you on mostly laws which make that negligible?
The new DLC basically made resistance too strong, so you must use tanks to stop them from draining all of your manpower.
Should you put field hospitals in these garrisons to reduce losses?
No. Has no effect.
I use my spies mostly to do so and occasionally these tiny Garrison divisions with Calvary, mechanized, and armored cars
I also comonly use spiies, they are very effective
Use your spies for what?
@@marthvader14 for suppression, they can do that you know
@@marthvader14 To deal with Resistance
@@aleksandarmanojlovic4988 Yeah but only in 1 state at a time, that doesn't do much if you occupy entire countries
Dont super heavies have 100% hardness? Could a super heavy tank garrison only ever need to be made once and never lost?
Lets say I don't care about IC because I am wyrd and overproduce trucks and support equipment. Would giving field hospital and MP to those 50 batallion horses work? Would it save manpower for me if they are on garrison duty? Does field hospital work for garrisons?
Using cheap interwar heavy tanks is useful since they have the highest hardness.
They cost about 4 to 5x more than interwar light tanks for 15% hardness
Lol, imagine the resistance soldiers as they look out a window and see a Heavy I chassis Tank rolling down the street 🤣
Highest hardness in general or highest hardness while being cheap?
@@AjarTadpole7202 light tanks have 80% hardness and cost 2.4 ic. interwar heavy tanks have 95% hardness but cost over 12 ic.
Heavy tanks and the word cheap don't jive together lol
you can do this with medium tanks too, make fuckton of them and then just outdate them and refit them into actual tanks-double save of IC
This confuses me. Could you please go into detail?
@@HBon111 You can have a lot of bonus for refitting, so actually you can make tanks faster by making a shit tank and then refitting that to be good.
So let's say instead of 30 factory on your good tanks you can do: 15 factory on a shitty one (that can be used for garrison and practice for the troops to be lvl 3 before war) and 15 factory on the good one and you will actually make more good tanks (with less resources!), while still having some shitty tanks too.
ua-cam.com/video/8rA4FKWG2xs/v-deo.html they are referenceing a video I made.
Thanks dudes!
What is even the point of Brutal Oppression's resistance reduction if the damage to garrisons gets doubled by it?
It's a temporary thing to get your resistance down faster then switching to another more ideal law.
@@71Cloak So one switches to brutal oppression until resistance is low and then switch to another law like civilian oversight or martial law afterwards? Doesn't Brutal Oppression also crash your compliance too though?
@@marthvader14 yes but if you don't have much that doesn't matter
It's useful if you're moving into territory that the ai had conquered and was horribly mismanaged and had like 70-80 percent resistance. I've played games where that happened.
All these videos helped me git gud.
at singleplayer at least lol
what exactly is resistance target?
The amount that resistance will tend towards.
Do Field Hospitals reduce manpower losses of garrisons?
General consensus is no. I have seen no evidence that they do.
@@71Cloak Thanks
My problem is im new to game (100 hrs) i play Denmark and want to conquer scandinavia. I can take Finland, but it kinda fucks everything up with the garrison taking literally my manpower. I get 0 manpower after that and can't pump out enough divisions to defend against the german invasion and taking norway or sweden xD
I’m just gonna write this down
How are armored cars so BAD??? The same number of AC as light tanks per battalion, the same width per battalion as light tanks, and more expensive and worse stats. Unreal, there is no use case for these things.
there was never a use for them. AC are best recon in game tho recon as a stat is ussles as it can get.
No Step Back forgot to cover them as armored vehicles. If you could design them as a wheeled template it wouldn't be so bad.
personally i only use super heavy tanks for that 99% hardness coupled with super heavy flame tank support to reduce resistance (they dont lol) but yeah your method is definitely more economical and actually makes sense
Because sending Maus with a flamethrower attached to it after peasants with rifles is a very economical and very sensible method of suppression.
ay, someone found my forum post.
what div did you use to push trough the shitty west china/india regions?
12 widths with sup art and engineers. Along with 11/2s.
I wouldn't be surprised if the ideal case for 2 years here is some combination of cav and tanks, as expensive as that will be in terms of army XP.
Course, support equipment is mad expensive for something that isn't used in 5 out of the 8 best support companies. Being blatantly outclassed at your own *primary function* is pretty plainly depressing.
Where is the Japanese guide?
...THERE'S A GARRISON LOG???
Feedbackgaming talked about garrisons on this vid: ua-cam.com/video/n8FP35dLUiQ/v-deo.html
Said the only benefit to a larger division is that you get more support equipment back. Thoughts?
He agreed with that in this video.
Feedbackgaming overlooked it. He acted as if youd get some form of return for getting the support back. Hes right. But you could just make the template huge as heck first and simply have less support going into it in the first place. Simply by gettiing the cavalry army leadership thing.
You get more than just the support equipment back. If you started with a 10 width cav division and added military police, you are going to trade support equipment for a lot of infantry equipment back and a pretty big manpower savings. Increasing that 10 width to 50 width will reduce your manpower needed, infantry equipment needed, and support equipment needed. If you are using military police, the only reason to use a division less than 50 width is you don't have the army experience to spare.
Wow, so I actually have a use for those garbage inter war tanks that you start with or capture.
if u have a high pop nation like china make collab of it and request manpower support u never pau for manpower again. also make a calv unit of their template to remove 80% of that cost aswell
this also works for things like romania even if it doesn have high pop it will switch to extensive conscription to fix the deficit prioritizing plauer and u get the 80 oil for 1 civ while being on free trade for bonuses
i played as hungary doing brutal oppression on occupied romanian territories and still got resistance rising
You likely didn't have enough equipment, manpower or both to actually garrison the land.
6:54 Change your Spirit of the army only to create a garrion template is a bad idea.
Saving army experience even after switching back is always a good thing. Even better is most of the middle spirits are lack luster anyways so you don't have to even switch back.
If you are using mp you should always use the largest division possible.
i think u made a mistake overlooking armored cars at a 45 width division that 0.5 suppression ads up 0.5x20 is 10 add 30% MP support u get basicallu 15 more horses and having 30% hardness u have wau less losses
Light tanks have the same suppression value as armoured cars, cost 2.4 ic vs 4 ic, and have 80 % hardness. I mentioned all of this in the video. So no i didn't overlook armoured cars, they're shit.
Meanwhile, me who roleplayed as an extreme facist: *Brutal Oppression goes brrr*
2:10 That's not Singapore. It's Malaysia. Or, British Malaya then.
Singapore is just a tiny dot on the southern tip.
Yes, I've been to both, extensively. My wife is from Kuala Lumpur, we visit their family there, and lived in Singapore for a year.
The only downside of using light tanks to garrison is the increasing in fuel consumption, which is a lot lower with armored cars. So, if fuel is a concern, go with armored cars.
Edit: Garrisons don't eat supply or fuel. Thanks, I didn't know.
garrisons dont eat supply or fuel
im getting a headache
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I will just saz something to all the people here. Looking at manpower loss is non existant. Manpower as a thing is just a number without any value behind it. Let me explain that being said to resistance. HOI4 is a game with unlimited ammount of man to throw around.. I mean if you play any major dont bother with crap and looking at manpower. Most nations require about 200 inf divisions for world qonquest at the most. If we talk SP Japan never goes past extencive conscription regardless what you do. USSR/Germany as well Italy probablly the same and any other major at the worst will go to service by requirement. So 50 cav width template is best due to IC cost of a single unit aka being basically notnhing due to another nice stat that guns are again a stat check. But nice video tho
In world conquest runs, you can usually trivialize manpower as soon as you get one big peace deal vs a major faction. You can puppet, swap 2 width divisions of yours into 50 width colonial template of nation with lots of manpower, then annex. China and USSR are best candidates for this, but even stuff like Dutch East Indies will give you many millions of manpower, only a fraction of which would ever go into garrisons.
Here is an example from an achievement run: i.imgur.com/I7VGhXB.jpg . With this much manpower, it's hard to justify anything but cavalry in SP world conquest runs. No tech requirements (unless you really want military police), generally minimal IC in practice due to captured/seized infantry kits as you point out, and the manpower difference just isn't consequential enough to bother with making investment against resistance in SP. Though interwar tanks don't take much tech either, I don't see it being worth the time/effort to bother.
You can even do that before the war ends with collaboration government, but be careful if you annex a collaboration government, you have to build the collaboration up again from 0.
@@bigbenhgy Yeah true. Spy time is a valuable resource though, as is IC. I think it's better to put collaboration where you intend to keep the territory, and use puppets for manpower while disregarding compliance/resistance until after annexing. At high compliance, you get nearly all of the IC.
As such, DEI and China are much better manpower sources to sponge than USSR or USA, because the opportunity cost is smaller. I would say India too, but their focus tree/spirits tend to gut manpower there so you can actually draw more out of nations with a fraction of the recruitable pop. Its pop is so high that collab will give a non-trivial amount of manpower from non-core, though.
Also if you're trying to take over the world as something like Cuba or Egypt you often just puppet whatever until you can get a spy agency going and set up actual compliance. Early on those nations don't have enough civilian IC to even get spies (in literal sense), and get more mileage from just piling up enough infantry to be a factor in the world war (you can farm warscore by repeatedly pushing AI off victory points to make top 2 before winning). But even as these nations, I find it hard to ever justify designing/using tanks in the garrison role...they still scale up their manpower pools faster (via annexation/using puppets) than IC, and thus it's at less of a premium.
The advisor for non-core manpower if you have conquered lots of stuff with high compliance will also net you ridiculous manpower.