I'm just now realizing this but, maybe it's not that it sounds bad because of the trash can snare, but because there's SO MUCH COMPRESSION THE SNARE IS SWALLOWING EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE MIX 😂
Fun fact, to achieve the snare sound for this album, they compressed the entire recording of the album down to the length of a snare hit, raised the pitch, and blended it back into the mix.
Bruh the main reason why it sounds like that is because Lars deliberately switched the snare drum wires off, that’s what snare drums sound like when you switch them off. Like you’re not incorrect they did in fact do that but realistically it’s the fact that the snare is switched off is 80% of the reason why it sounds so irritating to listen to
@@marcuserosemeyer4565 you can clearly hear the snare wires they’re not turned off it’s just they’re very very loose and he has no mouth laying on his snare which causes the very high-pitched ringing fun fact if you listen to death magnetic which was recorded directly after Saint anger it’s the same snare but with one muffling piece on it and they basically sound the same
apologies for the scuffed upload, i exported the file incorrectly and didn't notice until now intro's being cut out by youtube currently, so by the time you see this comment the problem might already be fixed! - spaceashes
I love this album purely for the reason james was going through rehab, and during this time the band was at its worst internally, if you watch some kind of a monster you'll see why they made this album and why it ended up sounding the way it does, it legitimately has alot of anger amd internal struggle attached to it.
49:21 I mean, if this part of Invisible Kid doesn't make you realize Metallica is metaphorically (possibly literally) f*cking with you and everyone else... this album is exactly what they wanted to put out there, everything that isn't them. They hated themselves at the time and they wanted to sound like it.
It's not just the snare. I think it's also the guitars being cranked to the max without being balanced in the mix properly that makes this album sound the way it does. Honestly, I think if the songs were way shorter and had guitar solos this album wouldn't be that bad.
I've heard UA-camrs redo St. Anger and "fix" the snare, and it looses something. The snare adds a lot more impact to the riffs, and it really accents the rhythm. The opening to the song St. Anger has so much punch, and when I hear it "fixed" it's mixed "properly" but sounds flat. I think the snare is fine, I think the issue is the drums are too loud in general, especially the snare. If they lowered the volume, or just used the trash can snare or some parts, it'd be fine. The albums honestly not terrible, it's.. industrial lol. there's room for improvement either way.
I mean kiiiinda but The actual drum writing itself is kind of bad on its own Like the drum parts aren't very catchy despite being so prominent and Lars keeps reusing the same slipknot type beat the entire time to where you can't really tell the drums from each song apart from the last, which is like the opposite of what Lars USED to be good at Like if you heard isolated drum tracks from For Whom The Bell Tolls you can still tell what song it is But st anger Lars is kind of like a lamer Joey jordison mixed with a worse Danny Carey Also with bad production
@@crystalskunk3658 I mean there is other problems yeah. The odd clipping, the songs are too repetitive/long sometimes, etc. But regarding just the snare, people always tend to say it's 100% bad and should be removed, which I think is not true. The trash can snare works, it's just an executed somewhat poorly. Also some drum parts don't really work with it. The more rhythmic the better, and if it's a straight 4/4 then it's gotta be slower. Like in St Anger the song. The slower part of the drum intro is good, the faster part is not. Also the slow parts in the breakdown of Some Kind Of Monster is also really good.
@V.F.D.DaleSalvador I think the trash can snare works in a context where it's NOT as prominent in the mix because it cuts through so effectively (see: slipknot) Like the parts where Lars is just doing eighth notes double bass under it it sounds fine It's really the way he chose to arrange the drum parts plus yeah the mix
I have shortened version of all these songs and somewhat remastered/remixed.. it's a 10x better experience than the original.. listening to this now feels so odd since I am used to the definitive edition xD
1:35:20 Apologies for my bored ass leaving so many comments, but... take that face, and realize Metallica actually took this song and adapted it for the S&M2 concert as an orchestra backed acoustic song and f*cking knocked it out of the park, made it gorgeously creepy and evil sounding, and fixed all the compositional sabotage here.
For anyone interested. Someone made a whole RE-RECORDING of the album and it sounds INCREDIBLE..just shows the potential of the whole thing if the production wasn't so dogsht and everything else lol
The snare is infamous, the production is infamous, but to me the vocals are really the worst part of the album Literally Feldman level, if not somehow worse They could have hired a random person from friday night karaoke at the bar to come record the album and it would have been better than James
Personally, this album is just bad in writing alone, not even the recording. I can listen to some not perfect quality on a recording/mixing but with Frantic alone, that shit is just cringe as hell.
Oh, and thankfully you've rolled off the high frequencies, the super high resonance frequency the unlocked snare rings with gives me a severe headache when I try to listen to the OG production.
I loved this album, it came out days after i graduated high school, bob rocks production was the problem with this album. Even with the snare a good producer could have made this work
Ah, the antiMetallica album. Or negaverse Metallica? Sit and think about how much on this album is literally what Metallica never does, and they did it all intentionally. EDIT: I give it an 8/10. No, not the album, the review. You sat and powered through it like a champ. I actually have this on CD somewhere, I can't listen to it because it gives me migraines. Or was it a cassette... literally haven't seen it in probably 20 years and I'm sure as hell not looking for it now.
I disagree honestly, the songwriting on Lulu is interesting: I like Lou Reed and the concept he Brings to the album: it's not an unsung masterpiece, but pretty decent
there are incredible death metal snd grindcore albums that dont sound too different from this. the reason those work is that those bands didnt make "Nothing Else Matters" or "Mama Said"
@CJ_Raider i harshly disagree, but that's not my point. this record is inconsistent with their sound and who they are as a band. their previous 10 years of sappy bullshit ballads preceding this sound dont make sense with this record, on top of how truly awful it sounds.
Exactly bro, Metallica standarda and style is not to do it raw and primitive sound and Death/grind acomoplish different themes and do better things and their composition matchs their recording. I dig St anger and death/grind btw
This album has the most traditional breakdowns I've ever heard from Metallica and you'd think Metallica writing breakdowns would be SO much more creative, they're so boring
i would say the better somgs are in the latter half. songs like St anger, Some Kind of Monster, and dirty window are dog poo. i think that the others are good.
This is the only Metallica album I can stand listening to, because it doesn't sound like Metallica. I have simply listened to them too much, and got really bored of most of their songs.
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I'm just now realizing this but, maybe it's not that it sounds bad because of the trash can snare, but because there's SO MUCH COMPRESSION THE SNARE IS SWALLOWING EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE MIX 😂
Fun fact, to achieve the snare sound for this album, they compressed the entire recording of the album down to the length of a snare hit, raised the pitch, and blended it back into the mix.
Bruh the main reason why it sounds like that is because Lars deliberately switched the snare drum wires off, that’s what snare drums sound like when you switch them off.
Like you’re not incorrect they did in fact do that but realistically it’s the fact that the snare is switched off is 80% of the reason why it sounds so irritating to listen to
@@marcuserosemeyer4565 you can clearly hear the snare wires they’re not turned off it’s just they’re very very loose and he has no mouth laying on his snare which causes the very high-pitched ringing fun fact if you listen to death magnetic which was recorded directly after Saint anger it’s the same snare but with one muffling piece on it and they basically sound the same
@@LarsHammet-rm8ic Theres literally footage of Lars explaining the snare at a party.
apologies for the scuffed upload, i exported the file incorrectly and didn't notice until now
intro's being cut out by youtube currently, so by the time you see this comment the problem might already be fixed!
- spaceashes
After listening to this banger, you should unwind by reviewing “The Ortolan” by The Deadly Syndrome.
time to relisten St. Banger with Brad
I love this album purely for the reason james was going through rehab, and during this time the band was at its worst internally, if you watch some kind of a monster you'll see why they made this album and why it ended up sounding the way it does, it legitimately has alot of anger amd internal struggle attached to it.
49:21 I mean, if this part of Invisible Kid doesn't make you realize Metallica is metaphorically (possibly literally) f*cking with you and everyone else... this album is exactly what they wanted to put out there, everything that isn't them. They hated themselves at the time and they wanted to sound like it.
I don't think it was intentional, but the chorus of "Shoot Me Again" legit makes me laugh so hard at how bad it is.
I love this song :D
It's not just the snare. I think it's also the guitars being cranked to the max without being balanced in the mix properly that makes this album sound the way it does. Honestly, I think if the songs were way shorter and had guitar solos this album wouldn't be that bad.
i actually really like this album. Don't mind the snare either! Dirty Window is one of my favorites from Metallica's entire discography.
do you guys have an uncut version of Saviors by Green Day by any chance?
I've tried to listen to this album by myself on multiple occasions and haven't been able to do it, until now, thanks to Brad taste
I've heard UA-camrs redo St. Anger and "fix" the snare, and it looses something. The snare adds a lot more impact to the riffs, and it really accents the rhythm. The opening to the song St. Anger has so much punch, and when I hear it "fixed" it's mixed "properly" but sounds flat. I think the snare is fine, I think the issue is the drums are too loud in general, especially the snare. If they lowered the volume, or just used the trash can snare or some parts, it'd be fine. The albums honestly not terrible, it's.. industrial lol. there's room for improvement either way.
I mean kiiiinda but
The actual drum writing itself is kind of bad on its own
Like the drum parts aren't very catchy despite being so prominent and Lars keeps reusing the same slipknot type beat the entire time to where you can't really tell the drums from each song apart from the last, which is like the opposite of what Lars USED to be good at
Like if you heard isolated drum tracks from For Whom The Bell Tolls you can still tell what song it is
But st anger Lars is kind of like a lamer Joey jordison mixed with a worse Danny Carey
Also with bad production
@@crystalskunk3658 I mean there is other problems yeah. The odd clipping, the songs are too repetitive/long sometimes, etc. But regarding just the snare, people always tend to say it's 100% bad and should be removed, which I think is not true. The trash can snare works, it's just an executed somewhat poorly. Also some drum parts don't really work with it. The more rhythmic the better, and if it's a straight 4/4 then it's gotta be slower. Like in St Anger the song. The slower part of the drum intro is good, the faster part is not. Also the slow parts in the breakdown of Some Kind Of Monster is also really good.
@V.F.D.DaleSalvador I think the trash can snare works in a context where it's NOT as prominent in the mix because it cuts through so effectively (see: slipknot)
Like the parts where Lars is just doing eighth notes double bass under it it sounds fine
It's really the way he chose to arrange the drum parts plus yeah the mix
I have shortened version of all these songs and somewhat remastered/remixed.. it's a 10x better experience than the original.. listening to this now feels so odd since I am used to the definitive edition xD
1:35:20 Apologies for my bored ass leaving so many comments, but... take that face, and realize Metallica actually took this song and adapted it for the S&M2 concert as an orchestra backed acoustic song and f*cking knocked it out of the park, made it gorgeously creepy and evil sounding, and fixed all the compositional sabotage here.
Genuinely I love this album. Still the worst of the main Metallica albums but I will jam to St. Anger any day of the week and in any mood.
This is a therapy album for Metallica, if they didn't make this they probably would've broken up. It's an important piece no matter how bad.
For anyone interested. Someone made a whole RE-RECORDING of the album and it sounds INCREDIBLE..just shows the potential of the whole thing if the production wasn't so dogsht and everything else lol
The snare is infamous, the production is infamous, but to me the vocals are really the worst part of the album
Literally Feldman level, if not somehow worse
They could have hired a random person from friday night karaoke at the bar to come record the album and it would have been better than James
This album gives me the same feeling as when I see nightmare fuel 90’s bad cgi
This album is awsome
Th best part 1:42:06
I actually enjoy this album more than Load and ReLoad. Might be a hot take but thats how I feel.
44:41 When you said that, I was expecting you to transition into a Distrokid ad integration.
Bob Rock was the poison that infected this album entire production.
My 5th favourite Metallica album
My 6th
Load is the best album of middle MetallicA
I AM THE TABLE!!!
Only if it had devils dance underrated song
Personally, this album is just bad in writing alone, not even the recording. I can listen to some not perfect quality on a recording/mixing but with Frantic alone, that shit is just cringe as hell.
The self titled track being a prime example of this where it just goes on and on and on for no reason and it's repetitiveness in the worst way.
Feels like this got converted to a very low bitrate mp3 and left that way.
They‘ve done a S&M 2 Version of All Within May Hands and it‘s actually good
Im so sorry you have to hear this 😔
I love the song frantic but it really only needs tk be like 2 minutes long, you know, like a frantic pace. I have no idea why it repeats like 5 times
Oh, and thankfully you've rolled off the high frequencies, the super high resonance frequency the unlocked snare rings with gives me a severe headache when I try to listen to the OG production.
I loved this album, it came out days after i graduated high school, bob rocks production was the problem with this album. Even with the snare a good producer could have made this work
Ah, the antiMetallica album. Or negaverse Metallica? Sit and think about how much on this album is literally what Metallica never does, and they did it all intentionally.
EDIT: I give it an 8/10. No, not the album, the review. You sat and powered through it like a champ. I actually have this on CD somewhere, I can't listen to it because it gives me migraines. Or was it a cassette... literally haven't seen it in probably 20 years and I'm sure as hell not looking for it now.
Brad listen to LuLu by metallica and Lou Reed and St. Anger suddenly becomes as good at Master of Puppets
I disagree honestly, the songwriting on Lulu is interesting: I like Lou Reed and the concept he Brings to the album: it's not an unsung masterpiece, but pretty decent
there are incredible death metal snd grindcore albums that dont sound too different from this. the reason those work is that those bands didnt make "Nothing Else Matters" or "Mama Said"
Both are great songs
both > any black metal song
@CJ_Raider i harshly disagree, but that's not my point. this record is inconsistent with their sound and who they are as a band. their previous 10 years of sappy bullshit ballads preceding this sound dont make sense with this record, on top of how truly awful it sounds.
Exactly bro, Metallica standarda and style is not to do it raw and primitive sound and Death/grind acomoplish different themes and do better things and their composition matchs their recording. I dig St anger and death/grind btw
@@ajgnexus Nah. I love Load and Reload. I agree this is definitely their weakest effort though.
Horrible album, amazing reaction
I understand the circumstances surrounding this album, and I understand WHY it is the way it is…..but it’s fucking unlistenable.
This album has the most traditional breakdowns I've ever heard from Metallica and you'd think Metallica writing breakdowns would be SO much more creative, they're so boring
I never listened to the whole album but wow, unthinkably horrible
i would say the better somgs are in the latter half.
songs like St anger, Some Kind of Monster, and dirty window are dog poo.
i think that the others are good.
This is the only Metallica album I can stand listening to, because it doesn't sound like Metallica.
I have simply listened to them too much, and got really bored of most of their songs.
u trans?
So god damn boring like most of Metallica