The thing to bare in mind about the protomolecule is that it's not malicious, it's just following a very simple program: build a ring, report back. It did the first part, but it can't do the second because there's nothing left to report back to (hence: "it reaches out...it reaches out".) So because it's both very smart in terms of what it's capable of, and very dumb in what it wants, it'll go to extraordinary lengths to complete it's programming. As he said himself The Investigator is just "a tool that finds things", which the protomolecule made because it's not smart enough to comprehend why it's masters won't respond to it's "task completed" report. Mostly what it's been doing since last season is goading Miller's "imprint" into finding it's masters, but it's unable to accept "they're all dead" as a valid answer. Remember how Prax talked about the instability inherent to "simple complex systems"? Same basic idea. The protomolecule has a simple directive and a complex range of tools with which to carry it out. But because it's simple, when it can't complete the task it just keeps trying because that's all that matters to it, and because it's complex, it'll tear down the fabric of reality if it has to to get it done. That's the really scary thing about all this: all that power and potential destruction and the thing isn't even actively trying to do any harm. And yet it's creator's ran across something that even they couldn't perceive or comprehend, and it killed ALL of them. Which makes whatever it/they are orders of magnitude more scary. For anyone not aware, there's this theoretical system of measuring a civilisation's power called the 'Kardashev scale'. On that scale, we're a 'Type-0' civilisation. A 'Type-1' is a civilisation that can control and harness all the energy of a single planet. A 'Type-2' can control and harness all the energy of a single star system, and a 'Type-3' can control and harness all the energy of a single galaxy. The ring builders appeared to have been somewhere between a Type-2 and a Type-3. That means whatever blipped them out of existence was a Type-4 civilisation: can control and harness all the energy of an entire UNIVERSE. Presumably they're in another universe and using that pocket of "ring space" is what drew their attention and presumably, their ire...and now humanity (a Type-0, only just heading for a mere Type-1) may have just pissed them off all over again. This show is about to go off the scale nuts!
It should be noted that the Protomolecule Ring is in a new situation. The protomolecule was sent to Earth 2.5 billion years ago - when all life on earth was no more than single celled organisms. It was designed to take over that type of life and repurpose it to build the ring - not to absorb complex life that was intelligent, and it now has essences like Miller that it was never designed for. The original protomolecule was sent to earth not as an attack, you don't "attack" single celled organisms, but to use them to create something else - much like we take over yeast and repurpose it to make things useful to us (easy stuff like Beer! but we (humans) have also bred or gene spliced other things into yeast so they ferment chemicals they would not normally for our benefit). From that aspect, what happened on Eros is not an attack, but an industrial accident! Miller has killed all the stuff on Ilium, but perhaps not in the ring - will be interesting to see if with all the human essences, it may evolve true independence.
I've always looked at the ring space as > Imagine an apple > Outside of the apple is our universe > The builders punched a hole in to the apple & made their own core > They then sent out 1300 proto-drills, that (upon arriving at their destination) also drilled in to the apple > Imagine how that apple looks, with all of those holes drilled in it > Now imagine you are a species of maggots living in that apple > You'd be hella-pissed too.
The scene with Holden sparing Murtry's life was a lesson about what real civilization means: not endless revenge, vendetta and vigilantism but a criminal justice systems and an accounting for the past for everyone to see. Otherwise its just endless cycles of killing and anarchy and emotional judgment. It's a very intelligent scene because it plays with the lust for revenge inside the viewer of the show. A mirror for our own dark desires of pseudo-righteousness.
Murtry had some amazing lines at the end "...you should have waited until I built the post office" the sinister logic behind that speech and delivery was just awesome.
Some of the reasons why I love this channel Murder slugs......beachfront property....the Ric Flair of the Expanse universe Marco Polo.....hells to the no....Personal favorite...."He's not a Stark he's a Baratheon" ....the list is endless
14:20 funny how nobody I've seen seems to realize that it's EXACTLY the same pink/purple thingy/field effect as the one that was stopping and holding the ships when they first entered the ring space.
I love how Holden has evolved since Season One. At the beginning he was just annoying and bumbling but after spending time with Amos and Miller he’s turned into a kickass leader. At the beginning I thought he’d be another “Mary Sue” but his progression as a leader has been natural and makes perfect sense.
Naomi, Holden, and Amos have had awesome character arcs. If you rewatch the series season 1 Naomi, Holden, and Amos are super frustrating to watch due to their flaws. Alex is just Alex
When Miller told Holden he would fall for the rest of his life, he was saying that it didn't really matter how high it was, the impact would kill him. :)
@watashi Obviously... but that is what Miller meant. It's a figure of speech. It's like when someone would say "for the rest of your life" before murdering someone. Holden would continue to fall for the rest of his life since he'd die at the bottom. Whether it takes 5 minutes to fall it or 5 hours, days, weeks.
Miller possessed a robot, that’s why Dr. Okoye could see and speak with Miller. He was no longer a transmission mental projection; he was inhabiting a physical body/object.
@@hoos3014 What is "physically special" about Holden is that he has had contact with the original Josephus Miller and so he has the "buttons" in his brain for the protomolecule to push to present the quantum-phase hologram of Miller. That is something that Elvi Okoye does not possess.
Lee Carlson You are assuming chromosomal makeup is at okay. It could be any function, or interaction of all process input variables, which made him a better conduit for ProtoMiller to communicate.
For Nikki: Steven Wright, the weird deadpan stand-up comic who was big in the 80s, had this line that I really liked: "I'm not afraid of heights," he would say, "I'm afraid of widths." At first, I thought it was just one of those off kilter bizarro one-liners he was known for, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that it's actually a very smart observation. I don't know if he meant it this way or not, honestly, but think about it -- people who claim to be afraid of heights are actually more afraid of widths, as demonstrated in this episode. There was nothing scary about how high Holden was above whatever was below him until he had to cross a 2-foot wide curvy bridge over it. With no rails. So it's widths that actually scare us. Not heights. Deep, huh? :)
@@zammmerjammer or maybe they don't need workers health and safety because there aren't any workers, not biological ones anyway. Everything we've seen so far had been vastly automated and controlled by a very smart but kinda dumb A.I.
I've been waiting till you to get to this episode! One of the best! The writing in the books is so amazing, though they change a lot of things in the shows. The descriptions of the protomolecule using Miller to reach out and report in are just soo well written. All it wants to do is report that the ring gate is finished and it can NEVER stop till it completes its mission. From the book, "Cibola Burn"-- "it reaches out...There are structures within it that were once separate organisms; aboriginal, evolved and complex" (they are describing the minds of all the people who died on Eros-their minds and thoughts/feelings are still intact within the protomolecule "consciousness"). "Another, oblivious, reexperiences her flesh falling from her bones, the nausea and fear, and begs for death... Her name is Maria. It does not let her die. It does not comfort her. It is unaware of her because it is unaware"... "In the artifacts that are conscious, memories of vanished lives still flicker." "It is a complex mechanism for solving puzzles using what there is to be used...Of all the scars, there is one that came last. That is the most intact. It is useful and so it is used. It builds the investigator from that template..." (so it builds "the investigator' using Miller's brain, whatever, which is still intact!) "The investigator is the tool for finding what is missing, and so it exists. All the rest is artifact. The craving for beer. The hat. The memory, and the humor, and the weird half-fondness half-contempt for something named James Holden." "The investigator reaches out, finds Holden. It smiles. There was a man once, and his name was Miller. And he found things...He saved people if he could. He avenged them if he couldn't...The investigator had grown through his bones, repopulated his eyes with new and unfamiliar life, taken his shape." (the books give a really great narrative showing how Miller's consciousness within the protomolecule changes and grows and is able to take control of what he's doing, so he can help Holden and fight the protomolecule "masters".
The Investigator Miller (with hat) isn't bad, necessarily. It's merely following its program and trying to figure out what happened to the creators of the protomolecule, as well as keep whatever programs the creators built functioning as they originally intended. It's essentially following its program, just as Holden keeps following his programming to save whichever underdogs he comes in contact with. The real question underlying everything is why Ilus' system had such extreme defensive measures.
In order for the "Investigator" to keep convincing Holden to do things it needed from him, the nexus station had to keep putting more and more of Miller into the Investigator, and giving that construct more and more autonomy. Eventually, it gave the investigator enough of Miller's personality, and enough autonomy, that Miller was able to break free. Oh, and if you liked the scene with Naomi and Lucia, watch the film, "Gravity" with Sandra Bullock and George Clooney. :)
Nikki is correct. Miller basically took over one of the Road-Builder's robots which has some kind of speakers so that it can communicate and it is mobile, which is what Miller needed to physically "walk" through the "eye of an angry god."
Nikki & Steven React yes exactly! That’s why he’s so scary to the other characters! The fact that he COULD casually kill someone without a moments notice or a second thought IS his intimidation And his short, decisive speech patterns.. “wai, I’m coming for your boss, don’t be there when I do”. Short and to the point, no bargaining.. no pleading.. just cold calculating ruthlessness! I love Amos on so many levels! Best character in sci-fi.. hands down
@@maxmccrabb2477 most ppl need to Amp themselves up to a heightened emotional state to commit great acts of violence, which takes time and is visible. Amos being able to do it while calm means there's no warning, just immediate violence. Also he takes bros before hos very serious.
One hundred and thirteen times a second, it reaches out to report that the work is done. If something accepted the report, it could stop. It will never stop. It feels no frustration and no fear. It feels the Investigator moving within it and around it. The Investigator exceeds its boundary conditions. It tries to kill the Investigator. It fails. It feels no distress at the failure, and it reaches out, it reaches out, it reaches out - The Investigator looks into the eye of death, and can’t see it. It knows, and that is enough. It feels pleasure and regret because they are part of the template. It says a name - Julie. It remembers taking a woman’s hand in its own. The Investigator reaches out, reaches down. It broadens like an eternal, endless inhalation, and spreads to fill all the places that it can reach, that have been reached. That are. It reaches out it reaches out it reaches out, the ticking on an insectile leg, a spark closing a gap, endlessly, and the Investigator feels it, encompasses it. The scars reach out, the other minds. Some are frightened, some are lost in dreams that have been going on for years, some are grateful. They sing to the Investigator, or they accuse it, or they plead with it, or they scream. They are aware, and powerless as they have ever been. The Investigator touches them as it touches everything. It tells them not to worry. That it’s driving this bus. Don’t worry, it says. We’re gonna be fine. The Investigator pushes his hat back, wishes he had a beer. He likes this woman. This Elvi. He wishes he’d had a little more time to know her. He wishes he had a little more time. He doesn’t care. He has died a million times since he died. The void has no mysteries for him now. He connects, and the Investigator becomes the world. He feels it everywhere. The orbital bases, the power cores in the crushing depth of the ocean, the library vaults where the old ones had lived, the signaling stations high in the mountains, the cities deep beneath the ground. He is the world. There is a struggle at the end. There’s always a struggle at the end. He’s not scared, and so all through the world, the others aren’t either. You’re like Peter Pan, she says. When a child died, Peter Pan would fall halfway with them. So they wouldn’t be scared. Weird. And that’s a kid’s story? Anyway, it’s not me, the Investigator says, smiles at her. Holds her hand. I don’t go for half. - it reaches out and it reaches out and it reaches out and then it stops.
I was one of those early Expanse super-fans. I started watching it day 1 on syfy. When you guys were doing GoT, I was hoping you'd watch Expanse next. I pushed it in every poll it was in, & I was one of, if not the first to tell you guys the GoT in Space thing! I remember when that was the marketing for the show very early in S1. I'm just happy you got into it, and I actually think it was better you went with BB, & BCS first. Ok enjoy the FINALE!!!😁
@@riderinblack7613 I'm up to 5 times too, except s4, I only watched that 3x, one being for N&S' vid as well! I start trying to keep pace with them, then I keep binging, then I end up finishing. By the time they get to the end, you gotta watch em all again bc it's been too long...Sound about right? Lol. I went through that when N&S were doing GoT. I lapped them 3 or 4 times by the time they got to the end! It's all fun & makes me want to rewatch great shows, sounds like a good deal!😁
@@mojoriot2293 - I meant I had already seen it that many times on my own (usually from introducing friends/family to it) and STILL watched from S1Ep1 until this, just so I can see them react to every minute of S4Ep10.
About being Game of Thrones in space...It does deal with politics and people trying to get power. But in GoT it was about everybody trying to stab each other. In the Expanse, most (not all) people are decent people doing bad things to do right by their people.
what i like about the expanse and select shows every action no matter how small or big, has a consequence.. ie, screaming shoot the ship and it causes debris and consequence to naomi's efforts, every move is not a definite move
I love your reactions. I started following you with Chernobyl, and when you started covering the expanse I was so excited you watched it. Can’t wait for season 5.
Holden never saw Miller with the hat in real life. Miller left it on series before he even went to Eros. That's why holden said "What's with the hat?" during his first conversation with the Investigator.
Ahhh, love this episode, it's *so* much "at the mountains of madness" - if you don't know the story but seen "Prometheus" you also know it - lovecraftiana certainly is *all* arouns modern sci-fi, but it's very present in "the Expanse" - the whole premise of the show is lovecraftian ;). Love your reaction! Let's go to the finale! It's going to be a tearjerker... ;) Best regards Raoul G. Kunz
The show quickly explained how Miller talking to Holden worked. In the book more detail was given. The reason why only Holden could see him is because the human brain is extremely complex and unique between individuals, and the protomolecule didn't consider it necessary to manipulate the brains of the rest of the crew or other people to communicate with them, too.
The part where Miller said Holden would fall rest of his life. That's a joke. You'll be falling for the rest of your life, until you die, which is probably pretty soon.
Naomi may be weak on a planet, but she's a rocket in zero gee. All of the earlier Proto-Miller scenes have been with the hat. That's been the Miller with the sole reason of connecting the Protomolecule with its builders. This season they took particular care to show the Proto-Miller as completely single-minded: "Next clue to the case" like a parrot. Miller could communicate with Elvie because he was in a physical form that must have some kind of vibrating mechanism. The fact that the whole planet turned blue when Miller turned on all the Protomolecule means that the planet mostly IS Protomolecule.
The beginning just explains that holden has been questioning everything and rightfully so, folks look at holden likes he knows everything and he doesn't he had said it before.
"The Investigator" reminds me of the ancient Forerunner AI from Halo. Its creators are long-dead, so with no-one to tell them what to do; they're desperately searching for a purpose, a role to fulfill. AI exist to DO THINGS. It's hard-coded into them. They're incapable of remaining idle, they don't get bored, they never sleep. They NEED something to focus their attention on, like we need air to breathe. They're ADHD incarnate. In Halo, the AI are former people that had their consciousness downloaded into mechanical chassis, so after 100,000 years of being completely and utterly alone, they've all gone a little batty. The protomolecule has been "off the leash" for over a billion years. I hope it wasn't sentient for that whole time...
Btw I love seeing your reactions to the end of the episodes lol. And the tech that Holden “falls” through is the same tech that stopped/slowed all the ships towards the end of season 3
If you'd been told in season 1 episode 1 that this is where "miller" would end up, what would your reaction have been? because I can tell you mine: endless laughter and utter disbelief...
The way I see it is (I'm sure book readers will tell me if I'm wrong), Miller without hat is what is left of the real Miller, his spirit, his mind, his soul, his essence, whatever word you choose to use, which the Protomolecule absorbed. The other 'Miller' was the Protomolecule using the form of Miller and his skills, aka 'The Investigator' to get Holden to do it's bidding. But the real Miller was strong enough to assume control, barely, so he can finally, truly, die for real and get some peace.
How do like those classic Expanse cliffhangers!! NOO!!! lol As this season is coming to a close and you guys are getting to where we are it's been a wonderful ride, you two are awesome and glad you have enjoyed the journey! I know all of us Screaming Firehawks have absolutely loved going on this journey with yall! It's going to kinda be sad when yall finish this season because it's going to be a little while before season 5! Can't wait!
Sort of. Wei is also appealing to the standard human desire for companionship. Yes, it's about advantage and wealth but the "walk away from this life" is a big part of her appeal. Let's just do one more bad thing and we don't ever have to do bad things again. She saw them as two peas in a pod. Two of a kind, a high pair. He did not. On one hand, that may be a testament to his loyalty but, on the other hand, I like to think he's doing what he's always said he wanted to do: _Make better choices of his own._ And to do the right thing even if it's not the smart thing. The teachings of Naomi, Holden, Alex, Prax, and Anna are starting to settle in. So, to me, Amos is more human in the moment than he's ever been.
Just one episode to go. It's been really fun watching your reactions to this show. It's great now that you're almost all caught up. I think season 5 will be out in December. Looking forward to more Expanse reactions. Beltalowda!
When you guys started the show I hadn't watched it so I binged it in like a week. Possibly a top five show for me too and definitely top ten. And definitely best "space" show that I've ever watched.
Of note, the piece of machinery that Miller takes over looked similar to what started to come out of the wall inside the Nucleus. The one the Martian threw a grenade at.
I swear I yelled something like "Holden! Frontier justice does have it's place. Kill him! Now!" the first time I watched the confrontation with Murtry.
Love the idea we are unarmed science vessel so let's make a bomb from a shuttle and send it towards fully armed martian gunship with state of the art PDCs and see what happens ... murtry doing some heavy thinking
I find it interestung that when Miller breaks free from the Protomolecule, there is a proto hybrid. Makes me wonder if the Builders actually looked like the proto hybrids and that the protomolecule transformed the hybrids into the physical appearance of the Builders (without the "uplink" to their hive mind, thus leaving them as the mindless monsters we know them to be).
what Miller said is very important; to be in Holdens head, watchin him give a shit, have something to build on... - now thats a way beyond the protomolecule standard programming(read the books if you havent-even more good shit - freaking Laconia- the new Sparta!!!) - its the first human-alien real contact, a copy of human awareness created to understand humans! its not just a tool to build shit anymore, its an AI capable of understanding the lesser beings! for me Holden and Miller are the best sci-fi duo ever, the first one is a moral standard and the second is the greatest hero in the sol system - saved the humanity twice Beltalowda!,a 1 man... - both being alive and dead, i mean wtf? ;)
Hat = Investigator No Hat = Miller Love the detail of this show. The books was a bit harder to tell with each specific sentence from them who it actually was, cause it didn't specify every single time.
Would you to consider doing an episode reviewing your top 5 series you've seen, discussing each show for a bit explaining why you loved it (spoiler free?)?
The Expanse is great, it exceeded my expectations by far as well. Glad you guys decided to pick it up back then. I've said it before but I think you guys would love Black Sails as well, I dare say it's like game of thrones with pirates ;)
Proto-Hat-Miller is just the protomolecule trying to "check in" with it's builders. It was programmed to go to a distant solar system, reproduce, build a ring back to the slow zone and then "check-in" When it didn't get a response it created the investigator out of Miller in order to find out what happened to it's builders. When they got to Illus the protomolecule just started flipping switches to see what turned on in an attempt to find out what happened to the builders. The protomolecule would "kill" miller and rebuild him over and over and over trying to "improve" him. It recreated Miller's consciousness so well that Proto-Miller fought back and eventually broke free of the protomolecule's control which is what we see at the end of last episode into this episode.
Holden's killing skills have come a long way since season 1. There was a time he couldn't manage to put a single bullet into a troublesome spy back on Eros. Emptied his whole magazine at him at close range, didn't even nick him once. (Was he trying and failing to kill Kenzo, or was he trying _not_ to and just barely succeeding?) Last season he shot Mao's bodyguard center-of-mass before the other man could even get his gun out. Now he wings Murtry while Murtry grazes his neck. Neither one gets a killing wound, but Murtry takes the worst of it. As I write this it occurs to me that Murtry had every opportunity to plug Holden center-mass and shot to wound instead. And vice versa. Neither man is a virgin at killing, so apparantly each was deliberately trying to spare the other. Holden wears mercy well; Murtry does not. So what was he up to?
Here I was prepping my dinner watching youtube and remembering it was Expanse react day, and you guys release it just as I finish prepping it, got something to see now :) Been watching your entire reaction to this show, it's been amazing to see you guys growing into big fans of this awesome show. Still I'm not sure if I'l be able to wach the last episode :(((((
Murtry was acting outside the law for his own sense of what's right, so Holden would be a hypocrite for just killing him in response once he's neutralized. Like he said "that's called civilization".
Miller could communicate with Okoye because at that point he was physical with the building or the robot. Using "the speakers". Miller's personality was stored from Eros like a program to be used by the IA of an Operative System. With the hat he's just the part of the original Miller being used as a tool. Its purpose is just to find the whereabouts of the extinct constructors, which is what the Proto-OS wants.
Nikki is really smart. If you look at the MillerBot, while it's talking, you can see him physically vibrating the triangular "face" plate to make sound waves. Miller said the guy with the hat is not him, but The Investigator, a character built out of him as needed by the protomolecule and destroyed again. The final version of Miller (sans hat) is him projecting his real self as the PM projects The Investigator to make Holden do its work.
So Miller gives us a clue as to what is going on - the protomolecule has been using the substance of Miller it absorbed, along with all the other humans to create a tool - but that substance is that of a human. In observing Holden, that program, with Miller's memories, has observed another thinking being and seeing it establish its own motivations, allowing the Investigator program to become more human, possible helped by when the protomolecule needed to persuade Holden to do things and added more of Miller's memories. In doing this the Miller Program was able to establish its own goals, separate from just trying to find the builders and find a way to shut it all down.
If Holden were to fall off the edge, he would fall at about 53 meters per second for probably around 3 days, which is how long you could survive without water. That equals to almost 14.000 kilometres, or 8700 miles. For reference, the Earth's diameter is 12.700 km.
I believe Miller was being facetious when he said you'll fall for the rest of your life because on a fall that big once you hit you'd be dead so yes the rest of your life.
Like #666 xD Also, The final showdown between Holden and Murtry is akin to the final shoot-off between the hero and villain in Classic Westerns. The vibe on Ilus has had that vibe the entire season and ends just like it would in a wild west movie.
Felcia's little spacewalk wasn't a big deal for a Belter. We remember Diogo was put outside by his uncle before the latter made his suicide attack on the martian customs guys. Then there were Naomi's little space hops, and Anna's. And of course thre were the two media ppl that Amos showed the door to. I think their suits all have tracking devices.
Now I have to go back and check out the scene inside the ring station to see if Miller had his hat when he talked about Julie and their last moments together. If he didn't have a hat, then they let the true Miller out, if he had his hat, then it was just more PM manipulation to get what it wanted from Holden.
@@ksbsnowowl3569 It's not actually a "field" though, the moons around the planet are essentially defense satellites among other things. They emit some kind of radiation, which vaporizes anything entering the atmosphere (and thus "threatening" the planet and its infrastructure) (that why one of the moons started "melting", when the shuttle was destroyed).
@@ksbsnowowl3569 OK, I thought it was just the typical orbital decay that happens around any planetary body with enough gravity to slow objects in orbit and drop them into atmosphere at high speed.
@@NikkiStevenReact Murty reminds me of Wild Bill in Clint Eastwoods Unforgiving. He's brought along to be that frontier sheriff with flexible morals. He isn't a pure good nor bad guy... and always has in his mind that bigger picture of bringing civilization to the frontier even if after there won't be a place for men like them. And like in the unforgiving the bad guy with good intentions goes too far and runs into the good guy with the bad guy past... Which I guess is more Amos in this story. lol Just like Clint Eastwoods William Munny in the unforgiving is the reformed bad guy who instantly recognizes wild bill as the murder he is. In the Unforgiving there ins't a holden to arrest Little Bill... if it was exactly the same story Amos would have blown poor Murty away.
The thing to bare in mind about the protomolecule is that it's not malicious, it's just following a very simple program: build a ring, report back. It did the first part, but it can't do the second because there's nothing left to report back to (hence: "it reaches out...it reaches out".) So because it's both very smart in terms of what it's capable of, and very dumb in what it wants, it'll go to extraordinary lengths to complete it's programming.
As he said himself The Investigator is just "a tool that finds things", which the protomolecule made because it's not smart enough to comprehend why it's masters won't respond to it's "task completed" report. Mostly what it's been doing since last season is goading Miller's "imprint" into finding it's masters, but it's unable to accept "they're all dead" as a valid answer.
Remember how Prax talked about the instability inherent to "simple complex systems"? Same basic idea. The protomolecule has a simple directive and a complex range of tools with which to carry it out. But because it's simple, when it can't complete the task it just keeps trying because that's all that matters to it, and because it's complex, it'll tear down the fabric of reality if it has to to get it done.
That's the really scary thing about all this: all that power and potential destruction and the thing isn't even actively trying to do any harm. And yet it's creator's ran across something that even they couldn't perceive or comprehend, and it killed ALL of them. Which makes whatever it/they are orders of magnitude more scary.
For anyone not aware, there's this theoretical system of measuring a civilisation's power called the 'Kardashev scale'.
On that scale, we're a 'Type-0' civilisation. A 'Type-1' is a civilisation that can control and harness all the energy of a single planet. A 'Type-2' can control and harness all the energy of a single star system, and a 'Type-3' can control and harness all the energy of a single galaxy.
The ring builders appeared to have been somewhere between a Type-2 and a Type-3. That means whatever blipped them out of existence was a Type-4 civilisation: can control and harness all the energy of an entire UNIVERSE. Presumably they're in another universe and using that pocket of "ring space" is what drew their attention and presumably, their ire...and now humanity (a Type-0, only just heading for a mere Type-1) may have just pissed them off all over again.
This show is about to go off the scale nuts!
Truly thank you for this insightful comment 👌
It should be noted that the Protomolecule Ring is in a new situation. The protomolecule was sent to Earth 2.5 billion years ago - when all life on earth was no more than single celled organisms. It was designed to take over that type of life and repurpose it to build the ring - not to absorb complex life that was intelligent, and it now has essences like Miller that it was never designed for. The original protomolecule was sent to earth not as an attack, you don't "attack" single celled organisms, but to use them to create something else - much like we take over yeast and repurpose it to make things useful to us (easy stuff like Beer! but we (humans) have also bred or gene spliced other things into yeast so they ferment chemicals they would not normally for our benefit). From that aspect, what happened on Eros is not an attack, but an industrial accident! Miller has killed all the stuff on Ilium, but perhaps not in the ring - will be interesting to see if with all the human essences, it may evolve true independence.
Never connected Praxis' comment to the protomolecule before, its so obvious and makes so much sense
I'm very just reminded of Mass Effect.
I've always looked at the ring space as > Imagine an apple > Outside of the apple is our universe > The builders punched a hole in to the apple & made their own core > They then sent out 1300 proto-drills, that (upon arriving at their destination) also drilled in to the apple > Imagine how that apple looks, with all of those holes drilled in it > Now imagine you are a species of maggots living in that apple > You'd be hella-pissed too.
The scene with Holden sparing Murtry's life was a lesson about what real civilization means: not endless revenge, vendetta and vigilantism but a criminal justice systems and an accounting for the past for everyone to see. Otherwise its just endless cycles of killing and anarchy and emotional judgment. It's a very intelligent scene because it plays with the lust for revenge inside the viewer of the show. A mirror for our own dark desires of pseudo-righteousness.
Hell, just look at Kenosha these last few days
"You've broken my planet!" "Working on it." Now THAT is possibly Holden's most badass line.
Murtry had some amazing lines at the end "...you should have waited until I built the post office" the sinister logic behind that speech and delivery was just awesome.
27:52 *_Miller hat bad_*
*_Miller no hat not bad_*
*_Apes together. Strong._*
Nice. 25 points to House Slytherin!
Some of the reasons why I love this channel
Murder slugs......beachfront property....the Ric Flair of the Expanse universe
Marco Polo.....hells to the no....Personal favorite...."He's not a Stark he's a Baratheon" ....the list is endless
love this comment - thank you!!!!
14:20 funny how nobody I've seen seems to realize that it's EXACTLY the same pink/purple thingy/field effect as the one that was stopping and holding the ships when they first entered the ring space.
Yes, I thought the same thing. The pink/purple stuff is just like what grabbed the ships in the ring space and pulled them towards the nucleus.
wow i've seen this maybe 5-6 times and i never put that together. thank you
I saw that and pictured some kind of gravity well style elevator.
One of my fav lines..
"Are you really Miller?"
"If not I'm really aceing this Turing Test."
Look up what a "Turing Test" is.
Post death Miller actually has such good writing.
I love how Holden has evolved since Season One. At the beginning he was just annoying and bumbling but after spending time with Amos and Miller he’s turned into a kickass leader. At the beginning I thought he’d be another “Mary Sue” but his progression as a leader has been natural and makes perfect sense.
Naomi, Holden, and Amos have had awesome character arcs. If you rewatch the series season 1 Naomi, Holden, and Amos are super frustrating to watch due to their flaws. Alex is just Alex
When Miller told Holden he would fall for the rest of his life, he was saying that it didn't really matter how high it was, the impact would kill him. :)
@watashi Obviously... but that is what Miller meant. It's a figure of speech. It's like when someone would say "for the rest of your life" before murdering someone. Holden would continue to fall for the rest of his life since he'd die at the bottom. Whether it takes 5 minutes to fall it or 5 hours, days, weeks.
Its like saying if you set a man on fire he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Or "How often do planes crash?"
Usually just once...
Miller possessed a robot, that’s why Dr. Okoye could see and speak with Miller. He was no longer a transmission mental projection; he was inhabiting a physical body/object.
I think he could have talked to her anyway. Remember, there's nothing physically special about Holden.
@@hoos3014 What is "physically special" about Holden is that he has had contact with the original Josephus Miller and so he has the "buttons" in his brain for the protomolecule to push to present the quantum-phase hologram of Miller. That is something that Elvi Okoye does not possess.
Lee Carlson And he is genetically different from other humans: DNA/RNA from 8 fathers.
@@fritzk3627 "Einstein, amoeba" no matter how many donors he had that contributed to his final compliment he still only has 23 chromosome pairs.
Lee Carlson You are assuming chromosomal makeup is at okay. It could be any function, or interaction of all process input variables, which made him a better conduit for ProtoMiller to communicate.
That look on Nikki's face every time Steven says Marco.....LoL
Steven "Don't you say it"
I don't get it
CulinVlau Nicki is teasing about saying "Polo" every time Steve says "Marco". It's a kids swimming pool game if you don't know.
@@hoos3014 oh, just that. Thought maybe it was something else.
For Nikki: Steven Wright, the weird deadpan stand-up comic who was big in the 80s, had this line that I really liked: "I'm not afraid of heights," he would say, "I'm afraid of widths." At first, I thought it was just one of those off kilter bizarro one-liners he was known for, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that it's actually a very smart observation. I don't know if he meant it this way or not, honestly, but think about it -- people who claim to be afraid of heights are actually more afraid of widths, as demonstrated in this episode. There was nothing scary about how high Holden was above whatever was below him until he had to cross a 2-foot wide curvy bridge over it. With no rails. So it's widths that actually scare us. Not heights.
Deep, huh? :)
totally makes sense it it's gotta be all about being comfortable and feeling safe
They could make star gates basically, but railings was beyond them apparently. Lol
@@juggernot92 They've evolved beyond Workplace Health & Safety, I guess.
@@zammmerjammer or maybe they don't need workers health and safety because there aren't any workers, not biological ones anyway. Everything we've seen so far had been vastly automated and controlled by a very smart but kinda dumb A.I.
I love how Holden was falling through the tunnel for so long he actually fell asleep.
I've been waiting till you to get to this episode! One of the best! The writing in the books is so amazing, though they change a lot of things in the shows. The descriptions of the protomolecule using Miller to reach out and report in are just soo well written. All it wants to do is report that the ring gate is finished and it can NEVER stop till it completes its mission.
From the book, "Cibola Burn"-- "it reaches out...There are structures within it that were once separate organisms; aboriginal, evolved and complex" (they are describing the minds of all the people who died on Eros-their minds and thoughts/feelings are still intact within the protomolecule "consciousness"). "Another, oblivious, reexperiences her flesh falling from her bones, the nausea and fear, and begs for death... Her name is Maria. It does not let her die. It does not comfort her. It is unaware of her because it is unaware"... "In the artifacts that are conscious, memories of vanished lives still flicker."
"It is a complex mechanism for solving puzzles using what there is to be used...Of all the scars, there is one that came last. That is the most intact. It is useful and so it is used. It builds the investigator from that template..." (so it builds "the investigator' using Miller's brain, whatever, which is still intact!)
"The investigator is the tool for finding what is missing, and so it exists. All the rest is artifact. The craving for beer. The hat. The memory, and the humor, and the weird half-fondness half-contempt for something named James Holden." "The investigator reaches out, finds Holden. It smiles. There was a man once, and his name was Miller. And he found things...He saved people if he could. He avenged them if he couldn't...The investigator had grown through his bones, repopulated his eyes with new and unfamiliar life, taken his shape." (the books give a really great narrative showing how Miller's consciousness within the protomolecule changes and grows and is able to take control of what he's doing, so he can help Holden and fight the protomolecule "masters".
Oh man am I hyped for season 5.
I've read nemesis game 5 times since finishing season 4
Holden NOT killing Murtry was a bit of a completion of part of his story arc. Him NOT acting like Miller, who would have shot him immediately.
I agree with you, and I mean that in a sad way. But I do agree
Well, Miller was also a cop who was allowed to shoot people, at least before he got fired xD
Nikki's ferocious and frustrated scream was so rewarding to hear. i felt the same way
The Investigator Miller (with hat) isn't bad, necessarily. It's merely following its program and trying to figure out what happened to the creators of the protomolecule, as well as keep whatever programs the creators built functioning as they originally intended. It's essentially following its program, just as Holden keeps following his programming to save whichever underdogs he comes in contact with.
The real question underlying everything is why Ilus' system had such extreme defensive measures.
I imagine a whole Flood from Halo sort of thing but not sure that's what we'll get. Feels like we're gearing up for more of a human conflict
0:44 *"Levels of holy-shitness"*
-Steven 2020 AD
I love the shot of Ilus lighting up that's what it looked like when it was operational
In order for the "Investigator" to keep convincing Holden to do things it needed from him, the nexus station had to keep putting more and more of Miller into the Investigator, and giving that construct more and more autonomy.
Eventually, it gave the investigator enough of Miller's personality, and enough autonomy, that Miller was able to break free.
Oh, and if you liked the scene with Naomi and Lucia, watch the film, "Gravity" with Sandra Bullock and George Clooney. :)
I'm still laughing from the cut to credits freak out.
“Gonna be real interesting to see how the season wraps up.”
You have no idea. Can’t even imagine it. Your dreams aren’t big enough.
oh boy, oh fucking boy. I cant wait, ive read the books, and oh boy....
Truth, copeng!
the next season will be huge. I've read the books and wow....
Even our dreams are small...
Nikki is correct. Miller basically took over one of the Road-Builder's robots which has some kind of speakers so that it can communicate and it is mobile, which is what Miller needed to physically "walk" through the "eye of an angry god."
Miller left his hat on Ceres, Holden has never seen the real Miller with a hat
"keeping the bad guy alive"
Anna and Clarissa.
Amos is so intimidating because he is so calm when he issues threats to other people.
Calm is almost always scarier
Nikki & Steven React yes exactly! That’s why he’s so scary to the other characters! The fact that he COULD casually kill someone without a moments notice or a second thought IS his intimidation And his short, decisive speech patterns.. “wai, I’m coming for your boss, don’t be there when I do”. Short and to the point, no bargaining.. no pleading.. just cold calculating ruthlessness! I love Amos on so many levels! Best character in sci-fi.. hands down
@@maxmccrabb2477 most ppl need to Amp themselves up to a heightened emotional state to commit great acts of violence, which takes time and is visible. Amos being able to do it while calm means there's no warning, just immediate violence. Also he takes bros before hos very serious.
One hundred and thirteen times a second, it reaches out to report that the work is done. If something accepted the report, it could stop. It will never stop. It feels no frustration and no fear. It feels the Investigator moving within it and around it. The Investigator exceeds its boundary conditions. It tries to kill the Investigator. It fails. It feels no distress at the failure, and it reaches out, it reaches out, it reaches out -
The Investigator looks into the eye of death, and can’t see it. It knows, and that is enough. It feels pleasure and regret because they are part of the template. It says a name - Julie. It remembers taking a woman’s hand in its own. The Investigator reaches out, reaches down. It broadens like an eternal, endless inhalation, and spreads to fill all the places that it can reach, that have been reached. That are. It reaches out it reaches out it reaches out, the ticking on an insectile leg, a spark closing a gap, endlessly, and the Investigator feels it, encompasses it.
The scars reach out, the other minds. Some are frightened, some are lost in dreams that have been going on for years, some are grateful. They sing to the Investigator, or they accuse it, or they plead with it, or they scream. They are aware, and powerless as they have ever been. The Investigator touches them as it touches everything. It tells them not to worry. That it’s driving this bus. Don’t worry, it says. We’re gonna be fine. The Investigator pushes his hat back, wishes he had a beer.
He likes this woman. This Elvi. He wishes he’d had a little more time to know her.
He wishes he had a little more time. He doesn’t care. He has died a million times since he died. The void has no mysteries for him now. He connects, and the Investigator becomes the world. He feels it everywhere. The orbital bases, the power cores in the crushing depth of the ocean, the library vaults where the old ones had lived, the signaling stations high in the mountains, the cities deep beneath the ground. He is the world.
There is a struggle at the end. There’s always a struggle at the end. He’s not scared, and so all through the world, the others aren’t either.
You’re like Peter Pan, she says. When a child died, Peter Pan would fall halfway with them. So they wouldn’t be scared.
Weird. And that’s a kid’s story? Anyway, it’s not me, the Investigator says, smiles at her. Holds her hand. I don’t go for half. - it reaches out and it reaches out and it reaches out
and then it stops.
Man, this is some good writing! Everyone likes to hate on Cibola Burn, but the Investigator’s chapters are some of my favorite of the entire series.
"Dude.....
Dude!
....DUUUUDE!"
hahaha steven
I was one of those early Expanse super-fans. I started watching it day 1 on syfy. When you guys were doing GoT, I was hoping you'd watch Expanse next. I pushed it in every poll it was in, & I was one of, if not the first to tell you guys the GoT in Space thing! I remember when that was the marketing for the show very early in S1.
I'm just happy you got into it, and I actually think it was better you went with BB, & BCS first. Ok enjoy the FINALE!!!😁
Ive seen The Expanse about five times through, too. I have watches all four seasons with S&N **just** to see their reaction to the last episode. 👍
@@riderinblack7613 I'm up to 5 times too, except s4, I only watched that 3x, one being for N&S' vid as well! I start trying to keep pace with them, then I keep binging, then I end up finishing. By the time they get to the end, you gotta watch em all again bc it's been too long...Sound about right? Lol. I went through that when N&S were doing GoT. I lapped them 3 or 4 times by the time they got to the end!
It's all fun & makes me want to rewatch great shows, sounds like a good deal!😁
@@mojoriot2293 - I meant I had already seen it that many times on my own (usually from introducing friends/family to it) and STILL watched from S1Ep1 until this, just so I can see them react to every minute of S4Ep10.
I rank BB, BCS and The Expanse as my top 3 of all time. (in that order, although BB and BCS are a very close call for #1 & 2)
@@riderinblack7613 yeah, I got you...I did the same, I just couldn't stop watching. I couldn't wait for the next reaction.
About being Game of Thrones in space...It does deal with politics and people trying to get power. But in GoT it was about everybody trying to stab each other. In the Expanse, most (not all) people are decent people doing bad things to do right by their people.
@@tecjohnson It's a much more optimistic story when it comes to its lens on human nature.
what i like about the expanse and select shows every action no matter how small or big, has a consequence.. ie, screaming shoot the ship and it causes debris and consequence to naomi's efforts, every move is not a definite move
Next episode, you'll see the scariest smile you have ever seen.
Thank you.
Nicely done
👎🏿
I love your reactions. I started following you with Chernobyl, and when you started covering the expanse I was so excited you watched it. Can’t wait for season 5.
Holden never saw Miller with the hat in real life. Miller left it on series before he even went to Eros. That's why holden said "What's with the hat?" during his first conversation with the Investigator.
Ahhh, love this episode, it's *so* much "at the mountains of madness" - if you don't know the story but seen "Prometheus" you also know it - lovecraftiana certainly is *all* arouns modern sci-fi, but it's very present in "the Expanse" - the whole premise of the show is lovecraftian ;).
Love your reaction!
Let's go to the finale! It's going to be a tearjerker... ;)
Best regards
Raoul G. Kunz
The show quickly explained how Miller talking to Holden worked. In the book more detail was given. The reason why only Holden could see him is because the human brain is extremely complex and unique between individuals, and the protomolecule didn't consider it necessary to manipulate the brains of the rest of the crew or other people to communicate with them, too.
The part where Miller said Holden would fall rest of his life. That's a joke. You'll be falling for the rest of your life, until you die, which is probably pretty soon.
Naomi may be weak on a planet, but she's a rocket in zero gee.
All of the earlier Proto-Miller scenes have been with the hat. That's been the Miller with the sole reason of connecting the Protomolecule with its builders. This season they took particular care to show the Proto-Miller as completely single-minded: "Next clue to the case" like a parrot.
Miller could communicate with Elvie because he was in a physical form that must have some kind of vibrating mechanism. The fact that the whole planet turned blue when Miller turned on all the Protomolecule means that the planet mostly IS Protomolecule.
Steven’s facials during this episode, particularly towards the end, were priceless.
The beginning just explains that holden has been questioning everything and rightfully so, folks look at holden likes he knows everything and he doesn't he had said it before.
"The Investigator" reminds me of the ancient Forerunner AI from Halo. Its creators are long-dead, so with no-one to tell them what to do; they're desperately searching for a purpose, a role to fulfill. AI exist to DO THINGS. It's hard-coded into them. They're incapable of remaining idle, they don't get bored, they never sleep. They NEED something to focus their attention on, like we need air to breathe. They're ADHD incarnate.
In Halo, the AI are former people that had their consciousness downloaded into mechanical chassis, so after 100,000 years of being completely and utterly alone, they've all gone a little batty.
The protomolecule has been "off the leash" for over a billion years. I hope it wasn't sentient for that whole time...
Instead of "The Expanse", they should have named this series "The Exasperating Cliffhangers"
The miller without a hat IS the real Miller's conscience. The one with a hat is the investigator
Btw I love seeing your reactions to the end of the episodes lol. And the tech that Holden “falls” through is the same tech that stopped/slowed all the ships towards the end of season 3
If you'd been told in season 1 episode 1 that this is where "miller" would end up, what would your reaction have been? because I can tell you mine: endless laughter and utter disbelief...
I never would've imagined him as an alien ghost who possess a microwave
probably would have laughed and said, no way!
Season 5 is going to be lit!!
Hype!
As will season 6 which has already been given a go!
@@jim8180 Not yet official.
"one of us is wrong... I think it's you."
@@jim8180 LOL! Nice quote but it's 100% not official. Only time will tell. Or Amazon.
The way I see it is (I'm sure book readers will tell me if I'm wrong), Miller without hat is what is left of the real Miller, his spirit, his mind, his soul, his essence, whatever word you choose to use, which the Protomolecule absorbed. The other 'Miller' was the Protomolecule using the form of Miller and his skills, aka 'The Investigator' to get Holden to do it's bidding.
But the real Miller was strong enough to assume control, barely, so he can finally, truly, die for real and get some peace.
Miller always wore the hat in the books, so it wasn't a big deal.
@@pamelahofman1785 Yes, I've read the books 5 times now and understand why they changed it. I do like the book version of Elvi/Miller much better.
How do like those classic Expanse cliffhangers!! NOO!!! lol As this season is coming to a close and you guys are getting to where we are it's been a wonderful ride, you two are awesome and glad you have enjoyed the journey! I know all of us Screaming Firehawks have absolutely loved going on this journey with yall! It's going to kinda be sad when yall finish this season because it's going to be a little while before season 5! Can't wait!
The only down side to the finale is that you have to wait for season 5 like the rest of us.
And in the meantime they will start to seach for and watch any Expanse reaction videos like the rest of us 😁
@@dennistomsen5822 off-topic but are 4k blurays planned for the show? season 4 looks great as a 4k stream but i would like to own the series.
And now our wait has begun
As another reviewer pointed out very correctly, Wei was not appealing to Amos humanity, she was appealing to his greed and lost.
Sort of. Wei is also appealing to the standard human desire for companionship. Yes, it's about advantage and wealth but the "walk away from this life" is a big part of her appeal. Let's just do one more bad thing and we don't ever have to do bad things again. She saw them as two peas in a pod. Two of a kind, a high pair.
He did not. On one hand, that may be a testament to his loyalty but, on the other hand, I like to think he's doing what he's always said he wanted to do: _Make better choices of his own._
And to do the right thing even if it's not the smart thing. The teachings of Naomi, Holden, Alex, Prax, and Anna are starting to settle in. So, to me, Amos is more human in the moment than he's ever been.
now Holden knows about the blue goo left on the Roci and can clean it up.
Thanx for the reaction guys, and cant wait to see your reaction to the finale :D
Just one episode to go. It's been really fun watching your reactions to this show. It's great now that you're almost all caught up. I think season 5 will be out in December. Looking forward to more Expanse reactions. Beltalowda!
When you guys started the show I hadn't watched it so I binged it in like a week. Possibly a top five show for me too and definitely top ten. And definitely best "space" show that I've ever watched.
That’s so awesome!!! We are so happy that we watched this
Those cliffhanger faces!!! 😝😝😝😝
Loved all the whole lotta "NOPE!" from Nikki this and last couple episodes!
27:07 Nikki's reaction will never get old. The Expanse has the most hilariously aggravating episode endings.
*cliffhanger again* 27:19
Steven: "Dude! Dude! 😳Dude!"
Nikki: "Gotta write...notes...wtf 😛pfpfpffpft" 📝
Both" 🤯🤯🤯
The way Thomas Jane's voice is portrayed in this episode makes me wanna re-watch the first Punisher movie.
I watched Stephen King's The Mist while you're at it. He's in that film too.
Have you seen his cameo in Scott Pilgrim vs. the World?
I love Holden and Murtry's shoot out very much like an old west stand off at high noon two gunslingers going at it.
Of note, the piece of machinery that Miller takes over looked similar to what started to come out of the wall inside the Nucleus. The one the Martian threw a grenade at.
I swear I yelled something like "Holden! Frontier justice does have it's place. Kill him! Now!" the first time I watched the confrontation with Murtry.
Love the idea we are unarmed science vessel so let's make a bomb from a shuttle and send it towards fully armed martian gunship with state of the art PDCs and see what happens ... murtry doing some heavy thinking
" nooo come on! Mother fuckers! " The end of every episode LOL Same as me when I first watched it!
20:00 well... lol... you know... any fall that kills you... is technically a fall that takes the rest of your life =D
I find it interestung that when Miller breaks free from the Protomolecule, there is a proto hybrid. Makes me wonder if the Builders actually looked like the proto hybrids and that the protomolecule transformed the hybrids into the physical appearance of the Builders (without the "uplink" to their hive mind, thus leaving them as the mindless monsters we know them to be).
Y’all’s Amos rant at the wrap up had me DYING lmfao
what Miller said is very important; to be in Holdens head, watchin him give a shit, have something to build on... - now thats a way beyond the protomolecule standard programming(read the books if you havent-even more good shit - freaking Laconia- the new Sparta!!!) - its the first human-alien real contact, a copy of human awareness created to understand humans! its not just a tool to build shit anymore, its an AI capable of understanding the lesser beings! for me Holden and Miller are the best sci-fi duo ever, the first one is a moral standard and the second is the greatest hero in the sol system - saved the humanity twice Beltalowda!,a 1 man... - both being alive and dead, i mean wtf? ;)
Hat = Investigator
No Hat = Miller
Love the detail of this show. The books was a bit harder to tell with each specific sentence from them who it actually was, cause it didn't specify every single time.
I can’t wait to see your faces in episode 10.
Would you to consider doing an episode reviewing your top 5 series you've seen, discussing each show for a bit explaining why you loved it (spoiler free?)?
The Expanse is great, it exceeded my expectations by far as well. Glad you guys decided to pick it up back then.
I've said it before but I think you guys would love Black Sails as well, I dare say it's like game of thrones with pirates ;)
Black Sails is such a gem 😍 Like the Expanse, it's a slow burn that pays off in beautiful ways.
Proto-Hat-Miller is just the protomolecule trying to "check in" with it's builders. It was programmed to go to a distant solar system, reproduce, build a ring back to the slow zone and then "check-in"
When it didn't get a response it created the investigator out of Miller in order to find out what happened to it's builders. When they got to Illus the protomolecule just started flipping switches to see what turned on in an attempt to find out what happened to the builders. The protomolecule would "kill" miller and rebuild him over and over and over trying to "improve" him. It recreated Miller's consciousness so well that Proto-Miller fought back and eventually broke free of the protomolecule's control which is what we see at the end of last episode into this episode.
Holden's killing skills have come a long way since season 1. There was a time he couldn't manage to put a single bullet into a troublesome spy back on Eros. Emptied his whole magazine at him at close range, didn't even nick him once. (Was he trying and failing to kill Kenzo, or was he trying _not_ to and just barely succeeding?) Last season he shot Mao's bodyguard center-of-mass before the other man could even get his gun out. Now he wings Murtry while Murtry grazes his neck. Neither one gets a killing wound, but Murtry takes the worst of it.
As I write this it occurs to me that Murtry had every opportunity to plug Holden center-mass and shot to wound instead. And vice versa. Neither man is a virgin at killing, so apparantly each was deliberately trying to spare the other. Holden wears mercy well; Murtry does not. So what was he up to?
"you dont shoot amos and get to live" XD
20:00 falling for the rest of your life means, its high enough to kill you, not that its that high, that you will fall for days.
Here I was prepping my dinner watching youtube and remembering it was Expanse react day, and you guys release it just as I finish prepping it, got something to see now :)
Been watching your entire reaction to this show, it's been amazing to see you guys growing into big fans of this awesome show. Still I'm not sure if I'l be able to wach the last episode :(((((
Murtry was acting outside the law for his own sense of what's right, so Holden would be a hypocrite for just killing him in response once he's neutralized. Like he said "that's called civilization".
Miller could communicate with Okoye because at that point he was physical with the building or the robot. Using "the speakers".
Miller's personality was stored from Eros like a program to be used by the IA of an Operative System. With the hat he's just the part of the original Miller being used as a tool. Its purpose is just to find the whereabouts of the extinct constructors, which is what the Proto-OS wants.
Nikki raging at the cliffhanger :D
Nikki is really smart. If you look at the MillerBot, while it's talking, you can see him physically vibrating the triangular "face" plate to make sound waves.
Miller said the guy with the hat is not him, but The Investigator, a character built out of him as needed by the protomolecule and destroyed again. The final version of Miller (sans hat) is him projecting his real self as the PM projects The Investigator to make Holden do its work.
So Miller gives us a clue as to what is going on - the protomolecule has been using the substance of Miller it absorbed, along with all the other humans to create a tool - but that substance is that of a human. In observing Holden, that program, with Miller's memories, has observed another thinking being and seeing it establish its own motivations, allowing the Investigator program to become more human, possible helped by when the protomolecule needed to persuade Holden to do things and added more of Miller's memories. In doing this the Miller Program was able to establish its own goals, separate from just trying to find the builders and find a way to shut it all down.
This notification just put a smile on my face. Thanks, I REALLY NEEDED THAT👍🏽
P.S. Loved the reactions😊
The actor who play Miller is amazing
Yeah, he is
If Holden were to fall off the edge, he would fall at about 53 meters per second for probably around 3 days, which is how long you could survive without water. That equals to almost 14.000 kilometres, or 8700 miles. For reference, the Earth's diameter is 12.700 km.
This season was just one long space western
Amazing
Always know when an episode is over with Nikki
I believe Miller was being facetious when he said you'll fall for the rest of your life because on a fall that big once you hit you'd be dead so yes the rest of your life.
This season is wiiiiiild.
Like #666 xD
Also, The final showdown between Holden and Murtry is akin to the final shoot-off between the hero and villain in Classic Westerns. The vibe on Ilus has had that vibe the entire season and ends just like it would in a wild west movie.
Amos respects Holden to much to go against his wishes and kill Murtry
Favorite episode of the season, well this and the next one ;)
Epic stuff!!
"DUDE!! What the actual fuck is going on?"
Indeed
She wouldn't have been lost to space. She would have Burned up in the planets atmosphere.... yay
The cliffhanger everybody would have been waiting for.. 😈
Felcia's little spacewalk wasn't a big deal for a Belter. We remember Diogo was put outside by his uncle before the latter made his suicide attack on the martian customs guys. Then there were Naomi's little space hops, and Anna's. And of course thre were the two media ppl that Amos showed the door to. I think their suits all have tracking devices.
Now I have to go back and check out the scene inside the ring station to see if Miller had his hat when he talked about Julie and their last moments together. If he didn't have a hat, then they let the true Miller out, if he had his hat, then it was just more PM manipulation to get what it wanted from Holden.
He had his hat the whole time, until the screaming glitch out at the end of 4x8.
Great reaction guys! Ya gotta love Steven calling orbital mechanics a "force field"
He’s talking about the ship disintegration field around the planet, that we already saw dissolve the light shuttle.
@@ksbsnowowl3569 It's not actually a "field" though, the moons around the planet are essentially defense satellites among other things. They emit some kind of radiation, which vaporizes anything entering the atmosphere (and thus "threatening" the planet and its infrastructure) (that why one of the moons started "melting", when the shuttle was destroyed).
@@ksbsnowowl3569 OK, I thought it was just the typical orbital decay that happens around any planetary body with enough gravity to slow objects in orbit and drop them into atmosphere at high speed.
@@SnaFubar_24 It was a purpose-built landing shuttle, it would've been able to handle a standard atmospheric entry
Still love murty in this episode.... should have stayed home till I built the post office. lol Such a great space western of a season.
He’s a great character and love his arch. Turned out to be a wonderful villain
@@NikkiStevenReact Murty reminds me of Wild Bill in Clint Eastwoods Unforgiving. He's brought along to be that frontier sheriff with flexible morals. He isn't a pure good nor bad guy... and always has in his mind that bigger picture of bringing civilization to the frontier even if after there won't be a place for men like them.
And like in the unforgiving the bad guy with good intentions goes too far and runs into the good guy with the bad guy past... Which I guess is more Amos in this story. lol Just like Clint Eastwoods William Munny in the unforgiving is the reformed bad guy who instantly recognizes wild bill as the murder he is. In the Unforgiving there ins't a holden to arrest Little Bill... if it was exactly the same story Amos would have blown poor Murty away.