Uncle Mateo showed us that a person can be exposed to vacuum for a short time without serious risk. Holden showed us the emergency super oxygenated blood injector when he rescued Monica from the shipping container. Naomi showed us how to be a fuckin' legend.
Diogo's uncle freaked me the hell out when I first saw that. Like, wait... What?! Did that really happen?! That's a True Belter there! Also when Prax's friend got spaced we saw her gasping for air for an agonizingly long time
Naomi's not dead. You can see the vapor leaving her mouth as the airlock opens and she makes the jump. That's her exhaling. You want to do this before entering a vacuum because the drop in pressure will cause air in your lungs to expand and pop them. In other words, going into vacuum with a chestful of air will just blow your lungs out. Forcing the air out first will help protect them. Cyn was surprised by the airlock opening and didn't do this - the little air sacs in his lungs were probably obliterated, and it's quite possible he ended up with air bubbles in his circulatory system (air embolisms). Cyn is dead. Exposure to vacuum will also result in liquids on your body vaporizing. One astronaut who was exposed to vacuum remembered feeling the saliva on his tongue "boiling" before he passed out. You can see vapor coming off of Naomi's eyes. The swelling on her eyes is probably also due to this "boiling" as other fluids vaporize beneath her eyelids or as fluids leak out of her tinier, more delicate blood vessels which can't keep up with the pressure change. The redness she develops on her face may be something like a sunburn, since she's unprotected from the various forms of radiation out there (edit: or the bursting of capillaries in her face - more on that below). Hard vacuum kills quickly, but not instantaneously. You'll lose consciousness after about 15 seconds, but death itself will take longer. The injection was hyper-oxygenated blood to give Naomi the boost she needed to remain conscious and functional long enough to enter the Chetzemoka. Naomi's put her body through a lot, but her brain wasn't without oxygen long enough to kill it or even really damage it. -- Edit: It was a technician who felt his saliva "boiling" off, not an astronaut. Thanks Anon Ymes! Also edit: Rabid_Si pointed out that you'll get gas bubbles in your bloodstream regardless of whether you exhale first. This is due to body fluids converting to gas thanks to the pressure change. The smallest blood vessels - the capillaries - are exquisitely tiny. The gas bubbles which form after a pressure drop damage these delicate blood vessels --> you get bloodshot eyes and swelling eyelids. Emptying your lungs, however, should (at least in theory) help preserve the ridiculously delicate structures that are the alveoli (air sacs) in your lungs. If you blow those out, you aren't going to be able to breathe even if you get back into atmosphere.
You will end up with gas bubbles in your blood stream anyway. The low pressure will cause liquids throughout the body to convert to their gas phase. It's what causing the swelling and ruptures in smaller blood vessels. Luckily, regaining pressure quickly enough to not die will make most of these symptoms relatively temporary rather than truly lasting damage.
@@rabid_si Technically you can be in the vacuum of space within 7 minutes before damage becomes and even possibly death irreversible. But that's pure theory since no man has been in vacuum of space unprotected for 7 minutes straight. This was calculated by scientists and medical doctors. But it's all a big IF.
long term "the bends" issues of an extreme nature are going to be extreme, but assuming the nano tech levels of medicine that we assume at this point, this is a beautifully played out sequence. I fully expect this show to exposit of the effects of this.
The actor who played Filip, to prepare for the role, looked up info on child soldiers in 3rd world countries, and the psychological damage they undergo. As did the writers production team. He talks about that in the Expanse Aftershow episode he was guest on.
They really hit the jackpot with him. This is his first major gig and he really does a good job. And he really just looks like Dominique Tipper's child.
in the books, Holden mentions that he notices how graceful the Belters glide in space, since they grew up in the very low G's, that's why Naomi was so accurate with her aim to the ship.
@@maddoxglow3268 She didn't watch it leave she watched it undock, and if she boarded while it was still docked they could have just come over and taken her back, or not let the ship leave at all.
The shot was the same hyper-oxygenated blood that Holden gave to Monica to revive her earlier in the season, she used it to keep her conscious a little longer to make it to her ship.
Is that the same juice they use for high G maneuvers? To keep you from passing out while your blood is litterally pushed out of your brain? Or is that something different?
@@symphobic no.. the high-G juice is a cocktail made of anfetamines to stay conscious and alert and a fictional (as today) compound that protects blood vessels from bursting and reinforces temporaly the vascular system and heart .. What Naomi injects here (and Holden uses on Monica before) its a shot of super oxigenated syntethic blood wich puts an extra amount of oxigen directly into the blood stream so it reaches the brain directly .. This is not fiction as its been allready experimented with today and its being studied and considered for emergency treatment in cardiac arrest cases (renember.. the cause of all human deaths after all is lack of oxigen to the brain)
Naomi's friend got her look wrong. he thought it was the look of defeat, when it was the look of resolve. Naomi gave up Philip out of resolve and gain, she jumped ship with resolve to stop Marco. She used the same hyperoxygenated blood syringe thaat Holden used to save Moneca from oxygen starvation in the container a few episodes back. She was clearly intending to jump ship and take control of the one Marco was sending to be a trap for the Roci. She still has a lot to live for.
Me too :) . Was sad they didn't act out the conversation between Naomi and Philip in the galley. They sort of did that conversation in this episode, but it wasn't nearly as impactful as in the book.
Wow I legit can't remember that happening in the books, when I watched this episode I though they made it up for the show. Definitely time for a re-read!
@@Chris-uk7gy wasn't it wonderful? It's deffo in the books. "She thought it would be silent, but she heard her heartbeat like someone hammering in the next deck. If I die here, she thought, at least it's beautiful"
@@raulmckool Naomi isn't one of my favourite characters but Dominique Tipper's acting in this episode really made me feel for her. The look on her face when Filip hit her was pure heartbreak, the look of a mother realising she's lost her son forever, and it made my heart break for her too
Humans can survive a couple of seconds in vacuum, between 10 to 15 seconds (until they lose consciousness because of lack of oxygen in their blood), but only if they have their lungs clean at the time they enter vacuum, if the old man case he probally didnt breath out and the air inside his lungs expanded and "opened" up his lungs from the inside, Naomi got there because the Hyper-oxygenated blood she injected
it's actually close to two minutes, but you pass out after 15 seconds without a rush of more oxygen. NASA accidentally put an astronaut into a vacuum in the 1960s so we have some hard data on what happens to the human body. She will also have a terrible sunburn for cosmic radiation and unfiltered sun rays. The main reason people think you die in 10 to 15 seconds is bacause after that point you pass out, so the most crucial time you need to be alert you are instead falling asleep. So with out immediate help you will start to die after 15 seconds but you can be rescued if they are extremely fast and you don't die on heart failure before the vacuum boils you blood or you get pulled out. so I'm guessing that injection she had was oxygenated artificial blood to keep her awake for longer.
@@Haegemon Temperature is a funny thing in space. Despite being so cold the lack of any means for conductive or convective thermal transfer leaves infrared radiation as the only way for heat to escape the body. Despite being at near absolute zero it would take hours for the temperature to kill simply for the lack of any medium to transfer body heat away.
When Felipe hit NaomiI almost lost my mind. Even though I knew it was in the book. She used the injection they gave Monica remember in episode 3. It gave her a quick boost to keep going. Nasa did experiments of chimpanzees to see how long they could survive in a vacuum most of the chimps made it up to a minute before they blacked out. Remember Holden isn’t coming for Naomi. Bobbie is. Those guys don’t stand a chance. Lol. I loved the sequence between Monica and Holden. They’ve put together something important.
Remember when Ashford was interrogating that martian officer. Ashford said selling weapons to belters wasn't very a martian thing to do. He said something like 'I'm achieving the dream of mars' This show does some serious groundwork.
man they really let some actors show their acting chops in this season, especially naomi filip and marco man, I'm hyped for the last episodes of the season
"How is he getting this information so quickly?" Information travels at the speed of light. He's watching the Roci. When your engine's on, everyone sees where you're going and how fast.
Also the backscatter from the tightbeam they mentioned. Normally you can broadcast to space routers basically. If you want a direct hard to trace message, you beam it really tight like a laser, that only the target can see. You need to know EXACTLY where your target is. That's why Errinwright tightbeaming the Avarasala/Mao meeting was such a threat, he's like "I know right where you are". The backscatter they saw was basically like when you shine a laser across a room and some dust in the air catches it for a second and sparkles. The Zmeya was running dark, coasting no engines, no broadcasts. They were keeping contact via tightbeaming, which as you can see is still a risk.
A lot of people have been complaining about the supposed scientific inaccuracy of Naomi's leap of faith, but that is largely due to many people being used to seeing sci-fi stories get vacuum exposure very wrong. There have been quite a few experiments done to ascertain what would happen to someone exposed to vacuum and some near misses with accidental vacuum exposure of astronauts in space. What was depicted here is pretty much spot on for what would actually happen
True, remember the ending of Total Recall, with the bulging eyes and shit? Though apparently, you are at risk of pooping your pants if you do vacuum, as any gas in your intestines will be in an awful hurry to get out...
Naomi would also likely have looked a lot less attractive by the time she got to the airlock (tissues swell causing bloating). In the somewhat unpleasant vacuum experiments carried out by NASA in the 60s dogs were described as blowing up like inflated goatskin bags (they almost all survived if returned to standard atmospheric pressure within 1-2 minutes though, longer and it was curtains for Fido unfortunately). Otherwise yep, reasonably accurate (I have an issue with the time - too long, she'd be unconscious - but apparently one of the authors tweeted that she injects after 15 seconds, it's just how it's cut that makes it seem longer. Don't really buy it myself but no biggie and if it works for others... :).
@@anonymes2884 Her eyes looked pretty bad in the end there and we've seen her in the season trailer with wounds on her skin, which we haven't seen yet, so I guess that's still coming.
@@lady8jane Swelling would already have happened I mean (by the time she got to the other airlock) and would then go back down fairly quickly after pressure was restored (it's caused partly by air in body cavities expanding - though mostly this will just force its way out - and also by bubbles forming when water in our tissues vaporises due to the low pressure). Don't think it'd lead to wounds though (skin's pretty elastic and tough). The haemorrhaging in her eyes and skin is related (small blood vessels are bursting basically). (and that's precisely why I don't watch season trailers, promos etc. BTW - danger of spoilers :)
@@anonymes2884>Naomi would also likely have looked a lot less attractive by the time she got to the airlock You actually see swelling on her face and neck by the time she is airlock, and the time of exposure was pretty short - like under 30 sec > dogs were described as blowing up like inflated goatskin bags Human organism is quite different from dogs, and the results of animal experiment often times prove themselves not be directly comparable with human trials in biomedical research - the apes, for example, were able to make up to 2-3 minutes without lasting damage in the same experiments (dogs and rats faired worse than that).
Nearly everyone missed this, but when the Zmeya launched all of it's missiles one of them had a *blue* thruster, and flew off out of sight. Cyn might have been fine, but the rapid decompression probably tore his lungs to pieces, whereas Naomi prepared for it by fully breathing out before she opened the door.
What people are not getting is the absolute hold an abuser like Marco can have on everyone around him. Everyone on that ship is getting gaslit. Praise one minute, insults and scorn the next. Nothing is consistant, and you don't know what you need to do to be to stay safe. Cyn is like the battered partner, fighting him one minute and the next saying "I can fix this... He can change... I just didn't want to break up the family"...while doing terrible things. It's tragic, but so understandable. Naomi was right, the only real choice in that situation is to walk away.
You ever try to talk someone out of being in an abusive relationship? The closer you get, the more conflicted they get, and one minute they'll see reason and agree with you, the next they'll push you away and hurl accusations at you. This episode portrayed it perfectly. It was actually extremely hard for my partner and I to watch, because we are both domestic violence survivors who then went on to be in abusive relationships and almost perpetuated the cycle of abuse, before getting help, and therapy, and cutting all the toxic people out of our lives. It was all too real to us. I was old enough that I never excused my father's abuse and never sought his validation after he left. But by two younger siblings DID, to different degrees. Despite them also being abused, he used Marco's tactics of getting someone on their own (divide and conquer) and manipulating them with a combination of false kindness and making them feel vulnerable, and by hiding and denying and excusing any abuse he did to others, so that when someone else accused him of abuse, they could deny it too.
I felt in the book it really hit Philip harder as he was screaming and hitting the door to the airlock. That was the one part I had hoped was going to be closer to the book.
Yes the shocked expression was not as powerful as him emotionally getting wrecked but they may want to give him the space for the actor to show his devastation as a direct result of his rejection maybe blows with his father
NASA estimates you can survive intact for about 120 seconds in vacuum, however loose conscious in 15 seconds. She did the right thing by exhaling first, she used that shot to probably keep her conscious longer than 15 seconds so she could open the airlock.
It's only partly an estimate. NASA actually accidentally exposed someone to vacuum in the 60's during an experiment. The person survived, and the experiment was filmed as well. In the after episode podcast Ty Franck said they used that case, and watched the film to base the scene off of.
I am not sure if this is true, so don't take this as a factual statement or anything, but I think that you could also harm your body if you inhale instead of exhaling, so exhaling can also prevent permanent damage in your lungs.
@@murciadoxial8056 Well done! The parts of the lungs that actually do the breathing - the alveoli - are exquisitely tiny and delicate. Entering vacuum with a chestful of air will cause the air in your lungs to expand. This will blow and destroy the alveoli.
People need to know, there is a difference between wanting to know your parent and loving your parent, I know, mother or father, there is a difference. Phillip may want to be like Marco, flat out, he may just want them, Naomi and Marco, to be on the same page.
Of all the antagonists in the Expanse, even those in the books that haven't appeared on the show yet, Marco is the most despicable of the lot. He's such a narcissistic piece of garbage that manipulates and humiliates people as easy as breathing, and wipes out millions with barely a blink. Fantastically written, and amazingly loathsome.
@Maylevka May Yeah, that's valid. I always looked at them in terms of moral character. Duarte is a megalomaniac, but he is a good father and he does have (debatable, but present) altruistic goals. Marco is just a selfish narcissist and a terrible, terrible father.
27:14 yes your brain can go that long without oxygen, best divers in the world can hold their breath for over 4 minutes, this scene was much shorter + naomi had the super oxygen rich blood epi pen that gives her like another half a minute of oxygen.
Something that I would have totally missed if someone on reddit had not mentioned it (and I still can't believe he/she picked it up) is that when the zmeya launched that massive torpedo salvo, there was ONE torpedo that did not stick around but flew of at high speed away from the battle, and this torpedo had a blue exhaust plume, meaning an epstein drive, so probably a long-range high-speed delivery. I think the terrible implications of this are both obvious and frightening to contemplate...
Marco is still in love with Naomi. and as for the "space walk" Cyn died cos his yelled "no!" as the airlock opened, he expelled all his air and his lungs were fucked and he's toast. Naomi was slowing breathing out as the air lock opened, you cannot hold your breath in space and your blood has about 15 seconds of oxygen in it before you will pass out, Naomi had the injection of oxygen blood we see monica get when she was locked in the container, that gaverher that few extra seconds she needed to make it to the ship, she's not going to be in a good way(the burning on her eyes and face was cos she's fully exposed to the suns radation), but i think she's alive.(thanks Ty from the Expanse aftershow podcast!)
He's not in love with her but he can't stand the thought of her loving Holden more than she loves him. It's not real love. It's possessiveness. I think Marco has long lost the capacity for love.
@@chrisastin184 He's crying for himself and what he's lost. Again. Not love. Not all bad guys lack the ability to love. Marco is a raging narcissist with a Messiah complex though. Love is not what you're getting from him no matter how much you kid yourself.
She exhaled so her lungs wouldn't explode due to pressure drop and apparently had some sort of blood-oxygen drug in the injector. She'll have taken a certain amount of damage though, even so. Maybe partially blind for a while and burst eardrums at the least.
You could draw a comparison between Fillip and Amos. Both are the result of their childhood "programming." At this time he's sixteen-years-old with all of the teenage hormones cascading through his brain.
That shot was to super oxygenate her blood! They used the same exact thing earlier in the season on the journalist when she was stuck in the shipping container. I literally watched that yelling how much of a badass Naomi is!
The discussion between Amos and Peaches called back to Amos telling Alex that he had not felt fear since his childhood in Season Three, and then he (re)actions in Season Four.
You guys didn't seem to spot it (neither did I at first) but when the Zmeya fires its missiles at the Roci, there's one missile right at the back that is a very distinct blue colour ;) And it goes the opposite direction. I think Marco is planning to use the Protomolecule to pay for all the Martian ships he's buying. I can't think of how else he would buy them
Important takeaway: The story we saw isn't what anyone on the show saw. All Naomi's conversations, Cyn dying with her, Filip watching through the glass. Everyone thinks she's dead. Marco, Filip. In the book we get some excellent internal monologue that shows her building up to this "ending" for her, and my only complaint about this season so far is how hard it is to convey private character thoughts.
I have been waiting for her jump since the season began, she is now on a mission to get back to her family without the ship she is now on from blowing up. Can't wait for the next episode.
't's so good to know that the three actors playing Naomi (Dominique Tipper), Marco (Keon Alexander) & Filip (Jasai Chase Owens), get along so well in real life (to get them get trough these tough scenes). - There are videos of them goofing around behind the scenes, going through the airport, etc, on Instagram. ☺ I think we should also take a moment & raise a glass (of your choice) to the FX department, for continually out doing themselves with space battles. 🥛
@@angelbedolla347 the ship was already leaving, being controlled by the Pella. So its not that obvious because all he saw was her go out the airlock, and that's after she explained to him earlier what she almost did in years past.
5:33 I think Filip knows in his heart that Marco is wrong, but he can't cross that bridge out of loyalty because Marco is his father and he raised him and took care of him. 5:44 Doesn't change the fact that he knowingly and willingly participated in killing millions; he's responsible enough, he's old enough to drive(or pilot a space ship); but he does have mitigating circumstances. 8:53 I think Marco is a full blown psycho with delusions of grandeur. 26:24 I didn't expect that! Naomi Nagata is one crazy badass driven character.
The shot was hyperoxygenated blood. It would have given her a bit more time to function in the vacuum. She would be suffering a lot of problems though. Also she exhaled all her breath (as much as possible) before opening the doors to avoid having her lungs explode. If Cyn still had a lot of air in his lungs, he is dead.
I'm staying optimistic about Cyn. He'd have some pretty bad internal injuries if he had lungs full of air, but this is a world where they can regrow lines and repair crushed spines. I could see them fixing some burst lungs.
@@normalmighty lungs are a bit more complicated and you can't live without them very long (probably the same amount of time that you can stay conscious in vacuum if not less).
Dont forget the ship that blew up was supposed to have the proto molecule on it. but if you look at the missles that launched. 1 of em has a different drive plume and doesnt go at the roci.
There was a line from the books that they left out which was really impactful, Naomi talking to Filip. “Before you kill yourself, come find me.” Not if. When. It *will* come crashing down on him at some point.
She's alive she inhaled her last breath when she jumped and that guy used his last breath when the door opened and that Injection gave her extra oxygen to make it to her ship
Hey, thanks for the reaction. Personally I love the season so far. I'd recommend watching the aftershow that Wes Chatham and Ty Frank put up on youtube. As far as I can tell they only discuss the show to the episode that has aired and they have actors and staff as guests. Well worth the watch.
27:14 Been looking it up, and apparently It's possible for her to survive that long without oxygen in space (I, personally can hold my breath for over a minute), and don't forget that she injected herself with "hyper oxygenated blood", the same in which Holden injected Monica with in Episode 2, but I always thought freezing would be more of a factor.
Most courageous jump in scfi history! The best hard scfi in the world keeps blowing my mind... Hard scfi is true to the golden thread of science! Look at how the sun burnt half her face! Humans can live for 15 seconds in space !!! Incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re the thing at the end: . . . . . NASA experiments / accidents show that you can survive at least 15 seconds to a minute in vacuum if you're prepared (like breathing out) and have the hyperoxygenated blood she injected to buy herself a few more seconds. That would still hurt like hell after though.
Stay conscious for 15 seconds you mean. You can survive for several minutes. Doesn't do her any good if she's not awake to open the airlock though :) That's what the shot was for. THe brain can survive quite a long time without oxygen.
There's nothing redeemable about Filip, No excuses. He is a mass murderer. And he will never see or admit the evil he has done. You guys rock by the way.
Episode 7 was directed by Marisol Adler, who simply excels at bringing out the emotions. She also directed episode 8 ... so be ready for more tears. As for this episode, did you notice when Filip told Marco that he wanted to make him proud, Marco replied with, "I know" instead of "I already am". Then when he told Marco that he wanted to captain his own vessel, Marco showed him the screen of all the cheering Belters that was cheering for him and told Filip, "you're nothing without me." I can understand how Naomi hates him. Best parting words ever to Marco.
It seems to me that ever since Naomi caught up with Marco and her son Philip she was making a judgment on weather she could save him and was it worth it at every step Naomi was left on her own and her so called friend was no help to her and we find out he was the one who kept her son from her that is a cold knife in the back. Now before she jumped out the airlock I think she already made the judgment that her son was a lost cause and that's all Marco's fault so she did the only thing that she could do and that was to cut the cord what ever love she had for her son was totally misplaced if Philip lives through this she won't have anything to do with him if she has to take him out then she will. I remember that famous old saying my mother would say boy (I brought you into this world and ill take you out of it)
Way too intense and the most brutal cliffhanger of my life! And hey you too, it is okay to show shared emotions with each other. don't act like robots be organic and human more. Good stuff. On the side note on a year full of bad shit waiting a week for each episode of the expanse hurts like hell. I wish I could watch the next 5 season of it in binge and forget which planet I live on lol
in the previous episode, they didn't JUST kill the guy because they needed supplies -- he was going to shoot amos, who was unarmed, with every intention of killing him. so there was that, lol.
This episode left me emotionally exhausted. Marco gets A+ for emotional manipulation😠; I just want to slap him so HARD. I find comfort with the fact that Naomi’s words towards him definitely seemed to hurt him😁 I do think apart of him still loves her but he wants to hurt & kill her more for leaving him and being with Holden. I feel sorry for Flip sometimes because his father is so good at manipulating him and all Flip wants to do, is please his father. Although, he did agitate me when he slapped his mother. Naomi was, WOW👸🏾. What she went through this episode was..... devastating. It makes me love her even more, for surviving all of that and more. Yes, Naomi did make it. I don’t know if you guys remember but earlier in the season Holden injected Monica with "hyper-oxygenated blood" to save her life after she was exposed to space in that container. Naomi used the same trick after leaping out the Pella's airlock, towards her abandoned ship Chetzemoka. She injects herself as she approaches the Chetzemoka's airlock, infusing herself with just enough life to enter the ship and close the door behind her. This was a FANTASTIC episode.
@@NikkiStevenReact 'Twas the last one to launch, took off in the opposite direction and its drive-plume was blue like an Epstein Drive. However, I had to watch the episode a second time before I saw it.
Phillip is grown enough to command a spaceship with a crew much older than him on a successful search and destroy mission, while also making a cold decision to leave a man behind. He's young, late teens(?), he grew up as hard as any Belter, but he ain't no baby. He may be wired like his mother, but conditioned by his father.
She's alive, maybe not well, but alive. That was the same shot Holden gave Monica. And someone gave her the shot (Filip seems likely). But that is a time bomb she is in.
Naiomi will be fine, that shot was the oxygen she needed to survive. That Shot was what Holden gave Monica when she was exposed to the Vacuum of space in that container. It puts a very high amount of oxygen into the blood stream. The damage that Naomi suffered was more from the pressure and cold of space, as for oxygen she had plenty in her blood from the shot.
My theory:(maybe spoiler) remember when reporter lady was without air. They gave her hyper-oxygenated blood. My theory is that it was an act on Filip's part. Maybe on Naomi's maybe not. But who would have given her the injection if not Filip? I totally think the thing where Filip asked for control, was him testing his Dad. An attempt to see through the gas-lighting and conditioning. I though mechanic dude was in on it. Him and Filip were trading glances. But I think when Filip ran out there he was trying to save the mechanic dude, not Naomi.
Cyn did not do what he did for Marco per se - it's pretty clear that he was mentor/uncle/step-father/whatever-else-you-can-call-it figure for Naomi and Marco. He cared about both them, and sometimes blinded to what Marco had done. Cyn did not want to lose their "family", and hoped that Naomi wll come back into the fold eventually. That's why he did it - people sometimes do very wrong things, when they fear to lose someone important to them.
It seems you cut the part, but when you look at when the torpedoes launched from that other ship, the last one has a blue plume, meaning it went the opposite way. The purpose of all the torpedoes was probably to act as diversion from that last torpedo, where ever it went.
Uncle Mateo showed us that a person can be exposed to vacuum for a short time without serious risk.
Holden showed us the emergency super oxygenated blood injector when he rescued Monica from the shipping container.
Naomi showed us how to be a fuckin' legend.
She is truly a legend! Brilliant acting too
Diogo's uncle freaked me the hell out when I first saw that. Like, wait... What?! Did that really happen?! That's a True Belter there!
Also when Prax's friend got spaced we saw her gasping for air for an agonizingly long time
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Naomi's not dead.
You can see the vapor leaving her mouth as the airlock opens and she makes the jump. That's her exhaling. You want to do this before entering a vacuum because the drop in pressure will cause air in your lungs to expand and pop them. In other words, going into vacuum with a chestful of air will just blow your lungs out. Forcing the air out first will help protect them. Cyn was surprised by the airlock opening and didn't do this - the little air sacs in his lungs were probably obliterated, and it's quite possible he ended up with air bubbles in his circulatory system (air embolisms). Cyn is dead.
Exposure to vacuum will also result in liquids on your body vaporizing. One astronaut who was exposed to vacuum remembered feeling the saliva on his tongue "boiling" before he passed out. You can see vapor coming off of Naomi's eyes. The swelling on her eyes is probably also due to this "boiling" as other fluids vaporize beneath her eyelids or as fluids leak out of her tinier, more delicate blood vessels which can't keep up with the pressure change. The redness she develops on her face may be something like a sunburn, since she's unprotected from the various forms of radiation out there (edit: or the bursting of capillaries in her face - more on that below).
Hard vacuum kills quickly, but not instantaneously. You'll lose consciousness after about 15 seconds, but death itself will take longer. The injection was hyper-oxygenated blood to give Naomi the boost she needed to remain conscious and functional long enough to enter the Chetzemoka.
Naomi's put her body through a lot, but her brain wasn't without oxygen long enough to kill it or even really damage it.
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Edit: It was a technician who felt his saliva "boiling" off, not an astronaut. Thanks Anon Ymes!
Also edit: Rabid_Si pointed out that you'll get gas bubbles in your bloodstream regardless of whether you exhale first. This is due to body fluids converting to gas thanks to the pressure change. The smallest blood vessels - the capillaries - are exquisitely tiny. The gas bubbles which form after a pressure drop damage these delicate blood vessels --> you get bloodshot eyes and swelling eyelids. Emptying your lungs, however, should (at least in theory) help preserve the ridiculously delicate structures that are the alveoli (air sacs) in your lungs. If you blow those out, you aren't going to be able to breathe even if you get back into atmosphere.
You will end up with gas bubbles in your blood stream anyway. The low pressure will cause liquids throughout the body to convert to their gas phase. It's what causing the swelling and ruptures in smaller blood vessels. Luckily, regaining pressure quickly enough to not die will make most of these symptoms relatively temporary rather than truly lasting damage.
@@rabid_si Technically you can be in the vacuum of space within 7 minutes before damage becomes and even possibly death irreversible. But that's pure theory since no man has been in vacuum of space unprotected for 7 minutes straight. This was calculated by scientists and medical doctors. But it's all a big IF.
I love comments like this! thanks Lilian :)
long term "the bends" issues of an extreme nature are going to be extreme, but assuming the nano tech levels of medicine that we assume at this point, this is a beautifully played out sequence. I fully expect this show to exposit of the effects of this.
@@frosty2975 Sadly I fully expect that at some point animals have been "vacuumed" and I bet the extrapolation is somewhat realistic.
The actor who played Filip, to prepare for the role, looked up info on child soldiers in 3rd world countries, and the psychological damage they undergo. As did the writers production team. He talks about that in the Expanse Aftershow episode he was guest on.
They really hit the jackpot with him. This is his first major gig and he really does a good job. And he really just looks like Dominique Tipper's child.
I will be looking for him in other shows for sure. He’s really good!
@@Quotenwagnerianer hes doing a great job but I can't help but think Naomi looks like his older sister lol
Holy shit that's hardcore. But a good direction to take it, no wonder he's so good.
@@lonewolf604 that's just the melanin 😉 black don't crack baby we stay young like Saiyan's 🤣💪🏾💪🏾
The kid who plays Filip is a damn good actor. A perfect casting for his acting and likeness to Naomi.
in the books, Holden mentions that he notices how graceful the Belters glide in space, since they grew up in the very low G's, that's why Naomi was so accurate with her aim to the ship.
In the series, we saw her make an even more difficult leap to rescue Felicia. So they still gave us enough foreshadowing.
I noticed how accurate her jumps are, and it doesn't look like luck. She propells herself with her arms very carefully and deliberately
Great point....
@@kirkdarling4120 great tie-in I forgot about that detail but its obvious just like all little details in this series.
Naomi's airlock jump was one of the things I was most looking forward to seeing since reading Nemesis Games, and it did not disappoint.
same here, I was afraid they were going to do something different but they really nailed it.
SAME!
but why didn't she get on the ship before it left...she just watched it leave and then opened the door after
@@maddoxglow3268 She didn't watch it leave she watched it undock, and if she boarded while it was still docked they could have just come over and taken her back, or not let the ship leave at all.
@@maddoxglow3268 She wanted them to think she's dead, so she can escape.
The shot was the same hyper-oxygenated blood that Holden gave to Monica to revive her earlier in the season, she used it to keep her conscious a little longer to make it to her ship.
oh ok
Is that the same juice they use for high G maneuvers? To keep you from passing out while your blood is litterally pushed out of your brain? Or is that something different?
@@symphobic nope different stuff, 'the juice' as they call it is a cocktail of drugs to help them resist high g-forces.
@@symphobic no.. the high-G juice is a cocktail made of anfetamines to stay conscious and alert and a fictional (as today) compound that protects blood vessels from bursting and reinforces temporaly the vascular system and heart .. What Naomi injects here (and Holden uses on Monica before) its a shot of super oxigenated syntethic blood wich puts an extra amount of oxigen directly into the blood stream so it reaches the brain directly .. This is not fiction as its been allready experimented with today and its being studied and considered for emergency treatment in cardiac arrest cases (renember.. the cause of all human deaths after all is lack of oxigen to the brain)
Naomi's hair in the flashback in the beginning, that's what her hair is described like in the book. Nice to see :)
Shit how did I not catch that as a book reader
During the events of the books? If it's not tied up somehow that's gotta get annoying in zero g.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 yes in her POV chapters she sometimes "hides" behind her hair.
I am praying she gets that hair back by series in. It’s rather iconic in the books and huge to her personality but it fits great with the show
Best episode of the series. Dominique Tipper, Keon Alexander, Jasai Chase Owens, and Brent Sexton absolutely killed it!
I agree!
I thought it was good but damn!!
This was one of my least favorite episodes. I can't stand this storyline.
@@Nightmarigny it’s so masterfully well written and acted
Nikki: "He's the worst"
Marco: "Hold my Belter Whiskey"
F Marco!!!
Naomi's friend got her look wrong. he thought it was the look of defeat, when it was the look of resolve. Naomi gave up Philip out of resolve and gain, she jumped ship with resolve to stop Marco.
She used the same hyperoxygenated blood syringe thaat Holden used to save Moneca from oxygen starvation in the container a few episodes back. She was clearly intending to jump ship and take control of the one Marco was sending to be a trap for the Roci.
She still has a lot to live for.
Naomi is a leaf on the wind. Watch how she soars.
She is the second character in the sci-fi who deserves this motto.
Amazon needs to take on firefly!
ever since I read Nemesis Games I've been waiting for Naomi's jump. I welled up. Man Tears.
Me too :) .
Was sad they didn't act out the conversation between Naomi and Philip in the galley. They sort of did that conversation in this episode, but it wasn't nearly as impactful as in the book.
Same!
They have delivered, that bombardment of earth sequence was also... DAMN.
Wow I legit can't remember that happening in the books, when I watched this episode I though they made it up for the show. Definitely time for a re-read!
@@Chris-uk7gy wasn't it wonderful? It's deffo in the books. "She thought it would be silent, but she heard her heartbeat like someone hammering in the next deck. If I die here, she thought, at least it's beautiful"
This episode was SO GOOD
Seriously though! This was an "OMG" episode!
Specially the acting, by EVERYONE. ALL scenes were simply amazing!
@@raulmckool Naomi isn't one of my favourite characters but Dominique Tipper's acting in this episode really made me feel for her. The look on her face when Filip hit her was pure heartbreak, the look of a mother realising she's lost her son forever, and it made my heart break for her too
@@TheClever69 I can't stand Naomi. She's ruining the show for me. Not the actress really, just the character and her story.
Humans can survive a couple of seconds in vacuum, between 10 to 15 seconds (until they lose consciousness because of lack of oxygen in their blood), but only if they have their lungs clean at the time they enter vacuum, if the old man case he probally didnt breath out and the air inside his lungs expanded and "opened" up his lungs from the inside, Naomi got there because the Hyper-oxygenated blood she injected
it's actually close to two minutes, but you pass out after 15 seconds without a rush of more oxygen. NASA accidentally put an astronaut into a vacuum in the 1960s so we have some hard data on what happens to the human body. She will also have a terrible sunburn for cosmic radiation and unfiltered sun rays. The main reason people think you die in 10 to 15 seconds is bacause after that point you pass out, so the most crucial time you need to be alert you are instead falling asleep. So with out immediate help you will start to die after 15 seconds but you can be rescued if they are extremely fast and you don't die on heart failure before the vacuum boils you blood or you get pulled out. so I'm guessing that injection she had was oxygenated artificial blood to keep her awake for longer.
I guess the temperature is also a factor. From 50.3 ºF in Earth's orbit to -454ºF in deep space.
@@Haegemon Temperature is a funny thing in space. Despite being so cold the lack of any means for conductive or convective thermal transfer leaves infrared radiation as the only way for heat to escape the body. Despite being at near absolute zero it would take hours for the temperature to kill simply for the lack of any medium to transfer body heat away.
When Felipe hit NaomiI almost lost my mind. Even though I knew it was in the book.
She used the injection they gave Monica remember in episode 3. It gave her a quick boost to keep going.
Nasa did experiments of chimpanzees to see how long they could survive in a vacuum most of the chimps made it up to a minute before they blacked out.
Remember Holden isn’t coming for Naomi. Bobbie is. Those guys don’t stand a chance. Lol.
I loved the sequence between Monica and Holden. They’ve put together something important.
And now I hate NASA
Remember when Ashford was interrogating that martian officer. Ashford said selling weapons to belters wasn't very a martian thing to do. He said something like 'I'm achieving the dream of mars'
This show does some serious groundwork.
man they really let some actors show their acting chops in this season, especially naomi filip and marco man, I'm hyped for the last episodes of the season
Don't forget Cyn
And all of them doing it through a Belter accent. Not every actor can manage raw emotion _and_ an accent.
"How is he getting this information so quickly?"
Information travels at the speed of light. He's watching the Roci. When your engine's on, everyone sees where you're going and how fast.
And Marco is obviously in touch with the Zmeya, right? The Zmeya would keep him updated.
Also the backscatter from the tightbeam they mentioned.
Normally you can broadcast to space routers basically. If you want a direct hard to trace message, you beam it really tight like a laser, that only the target can see. You need to know EXACTLY where your target is. That's why Errinwright tightbeaming the Avarasala/Mao meeting was such a threat, he's like "I know right where you are".
The backscatter they saw was basically like when you shine a laser across a room and some dust in the air catches it for a second and sparkles. The Zmeya was running dark, coasting no engines, no broadcasts. They were keeping contact via tightbeaming, which as you can see is still a risk.
_Excellent_ question!!! Excellent question. Bwahahahahahha bwahahahahhaaaaaaa
The shot was like super oxygenated blood or something. Holden gave it to Monica when they rescued her from the shipping container.
A lot of people have been complaining about the supposed scientific inaccuracy of Naomi's leap of faith, but that is largely due to many people being used to seeing sci-fi stories get vacuum exposure very wrong. There have been quite a few experiments done to ascertain what would happen to someone exposed to vacuum and some near misses with accidental vacuum exposure of astronauts in space. What was depicted here is pretty much spot on for what would actually happen
True, remember the ending of Total Recall, with the bulging eyes and shit? Though apparently, you are at risk of pooping your pants if you do vacuum, as any gas in your intestines will be in an awful hurry to get out...
Naomi would also likely have looked a lot less attractive by the time she got to the airlock (tissues swell causing bloating). In the somewhat unpleasant vacuum experiments carried out by NASA in the 60s dogs were described as blowing up like inflated goatskin bags (they almost all survived if returned to standard atmospheric pressure within 1-2 minutes though, longer and it was curtains for Fido unfortunately).
Otherwise yep, reasonably accurate (I have an issue with the time - too long, she'd be unconscious - but apparently one of the authors tweeted that she injects after 15 seconds, it's just how it's cut that makes it seem longer. Don't really buy it myself but no biggie and if it works for others... :).
@@anonymes2884 Her eyes looked pretty bad in the end there and we've seen her in the season trailer with wounds on her skin, which we haven't seen yet, so I guess that's still coming.
@@lady8jane Swelling would already have happened I mean (by the time she got to the other airlock) and would then go back down fairly quickly after pressure was restored (it's caused partly by air in body cavities expanding - though mostly this will just force its way out - and also by bubbles forming when water in our tissues vaporises due to the low pressure). Don't think it'd lead to wounds though (skin's pretty elastic and tough). The haemorrhaging in her eyes and skin is related (small blood vessels are bursting basically).
(and that's precisely why I don't watch season trailers, promos etc. BTW - danger of spoilers :)
@@anonymes2884>Naomi would also likely have looked a lot less attractive by the time she got to the airlock
You actually see swelling on her face and neck by the time she is airlock, and the time of exposure was pretty short - like under 30 sec
> dogs were described as blowing up like inflated goatskin bags
Human organism is quite different from dogs, and the results of animal experiment often times prove themselves not be directly comparable with human trials in biomedical research - the apes, for example, were able to make up to 2-3 minutes without lasting damage in the same experiments (dogs and rats faired worse than that).
Nearly everyone missed this, but when the Zmeya launched all of it's missiles one of them had a *blue* thruster, and flew off out of sight.
Cyn might have been fine, but the rapid decompression probably tore his lungs to pieces, whereas Naomi prepared for it by fully breathing out before she opened the door.
I assumed the protomolecule got off the ship somehow. Totally missed the exit missile.
Whoa, did not catch that
@@NikkiStevenReact I think we all did. I only had it pointed out to me by someone else.
Sometimes the only choice is to walk away.
How fucking badass is Naomi though? This might be my favourite episode of the series! An absolute legend!
That episode was MIND BLOWING.
The episode title "Oyedeng" is Lang Belta for "Goodbye".
What people are not getting is the absolute hold an abuser like Marco can have on everyone around him.
Everyone on that ship is getting gaslit. Praise one minute, insults and scorn the next. Nothing is consistant, and you don't know what you need to do to be to stay safe.
Cyn is like the battered partner, fighting him one minute and the next saying "I can fix this... He can change... I just didn't want to break up the family"...while doing terrible things.
It's tragic, but so understandable.
Naomi was right, the only real choice in that situation is to walk away.
You ever try to talk someone out of being in an abusive relationship? The closer you get, the more conflicted they get, and one minute they'll see reason and agree with you, the next they'll push you away and hurl accusations at you. This episode portrayed it perfectly.
It was actually extremely hard for my partner and I to watch, because we are both domestic violence survivors who then went on to be in abusive relationships and almost perpetuated the cycle of abuse, before getting help, and therapy, and cutting all the toxic people out of our lives. It was all too real to us.
I was old enough that I never excused my father's abuse and never sought his validation after he left. But by two younger siblings DID, to different degrees. Despite them also being abused, he used Marco's tactics of getting someone on their own (divide and conquer) and manipulating them with a combination of false kindness and making them feel vulnerable, and by hiding and denying and excusing any abuse he did to others, so that when someone else accused him of abuse, they could deny it too.
Phillip really looks like he could be Marco and Naomi's kid, great casting.
It makes it so intense !!!
He could be her son!!!
Nikki: "No tears yet, they're holding steady inside"
Me: No tears ....My eyes are just sweating
Your eyes aren't sweating. The fluids are just boiling off in the vacuum. ;D
@@rabid_si Nice😏
I felt in the book it really hit Philip harder as he was screaming and hitting the door to the airlock. That was the one part I had hoped was going to be closer to the book.
Would’ve totally expected that from.
Yes the shocked expression was not as powerful as him emotionally getting wrecked but they may want to give him the space for the actor to show his devastation as a direct result of his rejection maybe blows with his father
Dominique Tipper was amazing in this episode!
She breathed out so her lungs wouldn't explode in the vacuum, then used the oxygenated hypo to send oxygen to her blood.
Marco has a phd in gaslighting.
Fillip probably only saw Naomi go out of the airlock. He probably didn't see where she went, especially with Cyn blocking the door.
NASA estimates you can survive intact for about 120 seconds in vacuum, however loose conscious in 15 seconds. She did the right thing by exhaling first, she used that shot to probably keep her conscious longer than 15 seconds so she could open the airlock.
It's only partly an estimate. NASA actually accidentally exposed someone to vacuum in the 60's during an experiment. The person survived, and the experiment was filmed as well. In the after episode podcast Ty Franck said they used that case, and watched the film to base the scene off of.
I am not sure if this is true, so don't take this as a factual statement or anything, but I think that you could also harm your body if you inhale instead of exhaling, so exhaling can also prevent permanent damage in your lungs.
@@murciadoxial8056 Well done! The parts of the lungs that actually do the breathing - the alveoli - are exquisitely tiny and delicate. Entering vacuum with a chestful of air will cause the air in your lungs to expand. This will blow and destroy the alveoli.
Been waiting for this one, excited to watch!
this time the Princess saved herself.
The title of this episode 'Oyedeng' is belter for 'Goodbye'
Having read the books, as soon as i saw that I knew what was coming.
Marco is a top 3 villain on TV!! Hell of an episode
People need to know, there is a difference between wanting to know your parent and loving your parent, I know, mother or father, there is a difference. Phillip may want to be like Marco, flat out, he may just want them, Naomi and Marco, to be on the same page.
Marco Inaros - Father of the Year, replacing Jules Pierre Mao.
Marco's even worse I think. Mao is just an inconsiderate dick whereas Marco _deliberately_ manipulates Phillip.
🤣
Of all the antagonists in the Expanse, even those in the books that haven't appeared on the show yet, Marco is the most despicable of the lot. He's such a narcissistic piece of garbage that manipulates and humiliates people as easy as breathing, and wipes out millions with barely a blink. Fantastically written, and amazingly loathsome.
@Maylevka May Yeah, that's valid. I always looked at them in terms of moral character. Duarte is a megalomaniac, but he is a good father and he does have (debatable, but present) altruistic goals. Marco is just a selfish narcissist and a terrible, terrible father.
F Marco!
@Maylevka May shhhhhh. Dude
@@ChaosLORDish Shhhhhhh
@Maylevka May Shhhhhhh. Dudes!!!!
"Oyedeng" is Belter speak for goodbye ...
27:14 yes your brain can go that long without oxygen, best divers in the world can hold their breath for over 4 minutes, this scene was much shorter
+ naomi had the super oxygen rich blood epi pen that gives her like another half a minute of oxygen.
Been waiting all day for this!! LET'S GO!
Same here, from yesterday 👍🏽
Me too,
Something that I would have totally missed if someone on reddit had not mentioned it (and I still can't believe he/she picked it up) is that when the zmeya launched that massive torpedo salvo, there was ONE torpedo that did not stick around but flew of at high speed away from the battle, and this torpedo had a blue exhaust plume, meaning an epstein drive, so probably a long-range high-speed delivery. I think the terrible implications of this are both obvious and frightening to contemplate...
Marco is still in love with Naomi. and as for the "space walk" Cyn died cos his yelled "no!" as the airlock opened, he expelled all his air and his lungs were fucked and he's toast. Naomi was slowing breathing out as the air lock opened, you cannot hold your breath in space and your blood has about 15 seconds of oxygen in it before you will pass out, Naomi had the injection of oxygen blood we see monica get when she was locked in the container, that gaverher that few extra seconds she needed to make it to the ship, she's not going to be in a good way(the burning on her eyes and face was cos she's fully exposed to the suns radation), but i think she's alive.(thanks Ty from the Expanse aftershow podcast!)
Yeah that's what I figured cause you tell when he was talking to her he would tear up
He's not in love with her but he can't stand the thought of her loving Holden more than she loves him. It's not real love. It's possessiveness. I think Marco has long lost the capacity for love.
@@ARealityStorm I disagree. Whenever he talks to her tears well up in his eyes. Are you saying those are tears of hate?
@@chrisastin184 people nowadays thinking that bad guys have no intention to love.
@@chrisastin184 He's crying for himself and what he's lost. Again. Not love.
Not all bad guys lack the ability to love. Marco is a raging narcissist with a Messiah complex though. Love is not what you're getting from him no matter how much you kid yourself.
She exhaled so her lungs wouldn't explode due to pressure drop and apparently had some sort of blood-oxygen drug in the injector. She'll have taken a certain amount of damage though, even so. Maybe partially blind for a while and burst eardrums at the least.
the shot i believe was hyper oxygenated blood, similar to what Holden gave to Monica when she was found in the cargo container.
You could draw a comparison between Fillip and Amos. Both are the result of their childhood "programming." At this time he's sixteen-years-old with all of the teenage hormones cascading through his brain.
Yeah, totally
I believe she got through to Philip. He just had to put on a real convincing act for Marco. She also used one of the High Oxygenated Blood injections
"Fuck"
- Holden of Riv
That shot was to super oxygenate her blood! They used the same exact thing earlier in the season on the journalist when she was stuck in the shipping container.
I literally watched that yelling how much of a badass Naomi is!
The discussion between Amos and Peaches called back to Amos telling Alex that he had not felt fear since his childhood in Season Three, and then he (re)actions in Season Four.
You guys didn't seem to spot it (neither did I at first) but when the Zmeya fires its missiles at the Roci, there's one missile right at the back that is a very distinct blue colour ;) And it goes the opposite direction. I think Marco is planning to use the Protomolecule to pay for all the Martian ships he's buying. I can't think of how else he would buy them
Important takeaway: The story we saw isn't what anyone on the show saw. All Naomi's conversations, Cyn dying with her, Filip watching through the glass. Everyone thinks she's dead.
Marco, Filip. In the book we get some excellent internal monologue that shows her building up to this "ending" for her, and my only complaint about this season so far is how hard it is to convey private character thoughts.
I've watched y'alls reaction multiple times to g hi is episode. You two are my favorite. Your reactions at the end summed up everything! Well done!
I have been waiting for her jump since the season began, she is now on a mission to get back to her family without the ship she is now on from blowing up. Can't wait for the next episode.
't's so good to know that the three actors playing Naomi (Dominique Tipper), Marco (Keon Alexander) & Filip (Jasai Chase Owens), get along so well in real life (to get them get trough these tough scenes). - There are videos of them goofing around behind the scenes, going through the airport, etc, on Instagram. ☺
I think we should also take a moment & raise a glass (of your choice) to the FX department, for continually out doing themselves with space battles. 🥛
We know Marco's type. He's all "Look what you made me do!!"
I think her sons perspective will change after witnessing his mom sacrifice herself
Why tho?, nothing happened she escaped, he is probarly gonna be angy about it.
@@anouar3194 he doesn’t know that tho
@@steddy176 He will once she leaves in the ship... lol
@@angelbedolla347 the ship was already leaving, being controlled by the Pella. So its not that obvious because all he saw was her go out the airlock, and that's after she explained to him earlier what she almost did in years past.
5:33 I think Filip knows in his heart that Marco is wrong, but he can't cross that bridge out of loyalty because Marco is his father and he raised him and took care of him. 5:44 Doesn't change the fact that he knowingly and willingly participated in killing millions; he's responsible enough, he's old enough to drive(or pilot a space ship); but he does have mitigating circumstances. 8:53 I think Marco is a full blown psycho with delusions of grandeur. 26:24 I didn't expect that! Naomi Nagata is one crazy badass driven character.
The shot was hyperoxygenated blood. It would have given her a bit more time to function in the vacuum. She would be suffering a lot of problems though. Also she exhaled all her breath (as much as possible) before opening the doors to avoid having her lungs explode. If Cyn still had a lot of air in his lungs, he is dead.
I'm staying optimistic about Cyn. He'd have some pretty bad internal injuries if he had lungs full of air, but this is a world where they can regrow lines and repair crushed spines. I could see them fixing some burst lungs.
@@normalmighty lungs are a bit more complicated and you can't live without them very long (probably the same amount of time that you can stay conscious in vacuum if not less).
@27:40, the shot was hyper oxygenated blood. Holden used the same thing to save Monica earlier in the season.
Steven needs a "That was intense"-counter. :-) I love you two.
Hahaha, knowing what's coming makes watching this that much more enjoyable.
Dont forget the ship that blew up was supposed to have the proto molecule on it. but if you look at the missles that launched. 1 of em has a different drive plume and doesnt go at the roci.
There was a line from the books that they left out which was really impactful, Naomi talking to Filip.
“Before you kill yourself, come find me.”
Not if. When. It *will* come crashing down on him at some point.
BEST. MOM. EVER.
She's alive she inhaled her last breath when she jumped and that guy used his last breath when the door opened and that Injection gave her extra oxygen to make it to her ship
she didn't inhale - she exhaled so her lungs wouldn't burst
@@quirkygeekgirl ah ok I was wondering if I said right
i think its time they introduce marco to " that guy". lol
Foreshadowing. That mean female Belter _did_ tell Naomi that there was only one way to get off the ship.
Filip is “17-19” in the TV show.
He’s listed as a “teenager” and Jasai Chase-Owens (who plays him) is 17 years old as of January 22, 2020.
Hey, thanks for the reaction. Personally I love the season so far. I'd recommend watching the aftershow that Wes Chatham and Ty Frank put up on youtube. As far as I can tell they only discuss the show to the episode that has aired and they have actors and staff as guests. Well worth the watch.
unfortunately the after show sometimes has spoilers for upcoming episodes, so that would not be a good idea for Steven and Nikki to watch
@@lailana3325 Oh, ok. I would recommend it for a must watch after the season then. Thank you for the warning.
I think the shot was oxygenated blood like holden gave the reporter at tyco station
27:14 Been looking it up, and apparently It's possible for her to survive that long without oxygen in space (I, personally can hold my breath for over a minute), and don't forget that she injected herself with "hyper oxygenated blood", the same in which Holden injected Monica with in Episode 2, but I always thought freezing would be more of a factor.
She breathed out though, had to get rid of the 02 in the lungs, the shot was to keep her alive.
Most courageous jump in scfi history!
The best hard scfi in the world keeps blowing my mind...
Hard scfi is true to the golden thread of science! Look at how the sun burnt half her face! Humans can live for 15 seconds in space !!! Incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think it was the same shot that Holden used on Monica
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NASA experiments / accidents show that you can survive at least 15 seconds to a minute in vacuum if you're prepared (like breathing out) and have the hyperoxygenated blood she injected to buy herself a few more seconds.
That would still hurt like hell after though.
Stay conscious for 15 seconds you mean. You can survive for several minutes. Doesn't do her any good if she's not awake to open the airlock though :) That's what the shot was for. THe brain can survive quite a long time without oxygen.
@@LeutnantJoker yep sorry i mean stay conscious LOL
Ordered food just to watch this reaction vid. Top quality 👌
Popped popcorn here
There's nothing redeemable about Filip, No excuses. He is a mass murderer. And he will never see or admit the evil he has done. You guys rock by the way.
Episode 7 was directed by Marisol Adler, who simply excels at bringing out the emotions. She also directed episode 8 ... so be ready for more tears.
As for this episode, did you notice when Filip told Marco that he wanted to make him proud, Marco replied with, "I know" instead of "I already am". Then when he told Marco that he wanted to captain his own vessel, Marco showed him the screen of all the cheering Belters that was cheering for him and told Filip, "you're nothing without me." I can understand how Naomi hates him. Best parting words ever to Marco.
It seems to me that ever since Naomi caught up with Marco and her son Philip she was making a judgment on weather she could save him and was it worth it at every step Naomi was left on her own and her so called friend was no help to her and we find out he was the one who kept her son from her that is a cold knife in the back. Now before she jumped out the airlock I think she already made the judgment that her son was a lost cause and that's all Marco's fault so she did the only thing that she could do and that was to cut the cord what ever love she had for her son was totally misplaced if Philip lives through this she won't have anything to do with him if she has to take him out then she will. I remember that famous old saying my mother would say boy (I brought you into this world and ill take you out of it)
Way too intense and the most brutal cliffhanger of my life! And hey you too, it is okay to show shared emotions with each other. don't act like robots be organic and human more. Good stuff. On the side note on a year full of bad shit waiting a week for each episode of the expanse hurts like hell. I wish I could watch the next 5 season of it in binge and forget which planet I live on lol
in the previous episode, they didn't JUST kill the guy because they needed supplies -- he was going to shoot amos, who was unarmed, with every intention of killing him. so there was that, lol.
This episode left me emotionally exhausted. Marco gets A+ for emotional manipulation😠; I just want to slap him so HARD. I find comfort with the fact that Naomi’s words towards him definitely seemed to hurt him😁 I do think apart of him still loves her but he wants to hurt & kill her more for leaving him and being with Holden.
I feel sorry for Flip sometimes because his father is so good at manipulating him and all Flip wants to do, is please his father. Although, he did agitate me when he slapped his mother.
Naomi was, WOW👸🏾. What she went through this episode was..... devastating. It makes me love her even more, for surviving all of that and more.
Yes, Naomi did make it. I don’t know if you guys remember but earlier in the season Holden injected Monica with "hyper-oxygenated blood" to save her life after she was exposed to space in that container. Naomi used the same trick after leaping out the Pella's airlock, towards her abandoned ship Chetzemoka. She injects herself as she approaches the Chetzemoka's airlock, infusing herself with just enough life to enter the ship and close the door behind her.
This was a FANTASTIC episode.
Did you notice the missile that was launched from the Zmeyla that took off in the other direction?
There were lots of missiles flying around. Assume the protomolecule was ejected at some point.
@@NikkiStevenReact 'Twas the last one to launch, took off in the opposite direction and its drive-plume was blue like an Epstein Drive. However, I had to watch the episode a second time before I saw it.
Remember what Holden used to save Monica, when she almost died in a vacuum? :)
Follow James S. A. Corey on Twitter... he explained the science of what Naomi did. The shot was oxygenated blood...extending her abilities.
Such a great reaction guys! This is my second favorite series of all time✌ (after Netflix's Dark)
Appreciate it!!
Marco looks like Paul Stanley from KISS...
I always think - Prince
Yes! A mix of him and Prince.
Naomi Nagata is the Biggest Badass in The Expanse.
She really is. She’s such a great character
Naomi was in this episode. Timothy is a badass in every episode.
Phillip is grown enough to command a spaceship with a crew much older than him on a successful search and destroy mission, while also making a cold decision to leave a man behind. He's young, late teens(?), he grew up as hard as any Belter, but he ain't no baby.
He may be wired like his mother, but conditioned by his father.
She's alive, maybe not well, but alive. That was the same shot Holden gave Monica. And someone gave her the shot (Filip seems likely). But that is a time bomb she is in.
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Naiomi will be fine, that shot was the oxygen she needed to survive. That Shot was what Holden gave Monica when she was exposed to the Vacuum of space in that container. It puts a very high amount of oxygen into the blood stream. The damage that Naomi suffered was more from the pressure and cold of space, as for oxygen she had plenty in her blood from the shot.
My theory:(maybe spoiler) remember when reporter lady was without air. They gave her hyper-oxygenated blood. My theory is that it was an act on Filip's part. Maybe on Naomi's maybe not. But who would have given her the injection if not Filip?
I totally think the thing where Filip asked for control, was him testing his Dad. An attempt to see through the gas-lighting and conditioning.
I though mechanic dude was in on it. Him and Filip were trading glances. But I think when Filip ran out there he was trying to save the mechanic dude, not Naomi.
Cyn did not do what he did for Marco per se - it's pretty clear that he was mentor/uncle/step-father/whatever-else-you-can-call-it figure for Naomi and Marco. He cared about both them, and sometimes blinded to what Marco had done. Cyn did not want to lose their "family", and hoped that Naomi wll come back into the fold eventually. That's why he did it - people sometimes do very wrong things, when they fear to lose someone important to them.
And in this episode Marco adds hereditary leadership to his shit plan.
It seems you cut the part, but when you look at when the torpedoes launched from that other ship, the last one has a blue plume, meaning it went the opposite way. The purpose of all the torpedoes was probably to act as diversion from that last torpedo, where ever it went.