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Alright my proposed solution tof the DSS when it comes to orbital bombardment, just give a free fast charging 380 that any diver can deploy 30 to 60 second recharge to indicate gun calibration and it doesn't take any slot away from the divers while giving a powerful benefit for orbital bombardment without killing divers constantly makes the DSS feel powerful and useful and not a detriment, I heard the eagle storm was fine. But that's my suggestion, hell just provide a massive reduction to all stratigem recharge times when the DSS is in orbit to indicate that it's support in orbit with all the tools on hand. Make vehicles not have a deployment cap. It should feel broken as hell to have it I orbit
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Normally I like your takes, but I think you're wrong on this. The Orbital Bombardment wasn't that bad, though I agree that it should be tweaked. I suspect many changes are coming soon, that we should be looking forward to. Y'all be tripping without sinking enough time into it to properly understand the mechanics of it.
@AMobutter it was another patch that had clearly been untested before it's release. How is it different from every other time? And the toxic way of how they've treated their fan base, is having an affect now on other games, it needs to stop.
Honestly if they just changed the orbital bombardment to something like a super fast recharge stratigem that the divers can control it would change the whole situation
@@conscript900 Or just make it available as a free slot stratagem permanently w/e the DSS is, not that hard of a concept rather than a reinforcement draining...
The orbital bombardment being orbital laser instead would be so much better. You can actually see and mostly avoid the laser, and you don't always die when it hits you. Especially if you're wearing fire resist armor.
The problem isnt even the DSS. Its the content or lack thereof. We have pretty much no new missions and every Major order is mostly just flavor text for the same liberate/defense campaigns over and over again. Why should I even care if they fix the DSS? so I can use it on the same exact missions Ive played hundreds of times? When we were building the DSS we didn't get ANY special missions AT ALL. Like when we needed to populate it, I thought we could maybe see big new missions of escorting big groups of civilians to ships or something. Nope, same ol same old. They have so much potential for new and exciting missions they could make for these major orders but seemingly never do.
@@johnny394your totally wrong. Players having criticisms and critiques and wanting new stuff should do nothing but improve and strengthen the game. It’s not the players fault they lost 60 days reversing the issues they created by not listening to players to begin with and when they do listen to something it’s the echo chamber of a discord. Players wanting them to move the game forward or push out more content isn’t the problem the problem is Ahs mismanagement and lack of any kind of direction. Players have been more than understanding and patient and now it’s getting ridiculous because a new warbond that has maybe 1 or 2 items you might like isn’t gonna supplement the lack of content and it’s repetitiveness after you pretty much max leveled everything. this is a live service game it was marketed as a live service with a campaign that changes based around every players actions and it’s just been a slog, the major orders always have a new description but it’s always the same missions and it feels like the devs bring the campaign to a full stop because they overlooked something. Helldivers had a very strong launch and immediately built a fan base and it feels like they are unable to appreciate that or understand till they do something that drives more players away then they act all apologetic then do the same thing months later the PROBLEM is they have developed a reputation for every step forward the inevitably take two steps back then act like they don’t know what happened.
@AWonderingTraveIer gonna um actually you on this one. While I agree with you on pretty much everything you said, he isn't wrong. A big part of why the mechanics of the game keep breaking is because they don't test the new content before it ships. I mean, airbrush shrapnel for the devistator? Unlimited barrage for the rocket bots? A DSS that literally uses the out of bounds barrage with its targeting. Let's not forget about the whole flamethrower fiasco either. The pushing of content normally isn't bad, but in the case of AH right now, the gears are grinding so bad either they stop to fix it, or the whole thing goes under from the weight of poor mechanics being ham fisted into a broken machine. That's the point.
@@calumcampbell6435I see what you mean and I get it development is a rough job and the game should definitely function before new content but what’s going on in my head is “why don’t they have actual beta servers for experienced players to test the new updates before they drop” I like arrowhead but they keep backing themselves into corners and it just leads to them overworked and players unhappy. I think a big blame is them relying way too much on the community management to voice our wants and concerns instead of directly interacting with players like streams. I noticed they do polls a lot in their discord but it seems kinda pointless since a large portion of the players are banned for upsetting a power hungry moderator
Yeah, I at least wanted evacuation missions to progress the bar faster or something. Needing to defend full planets worth of people makes it feel like the devs don't quite understand the implications of that. Hundreds of thousands of people per planet, if not millions. To evacuate even half of one planet is a herculean task. So, we should have had a required amount of evac missions, at the very least. But obviously, I want to see new mission types, as well.
The biggest issue is that since launch whenever they drop new content they break the game. They can't fix broken stuff and release new content that will inevitably break things further. So they need to first finish fixing everything before adding new content.
The problem AH has is that they have had to spend months since launch fixing their idiot choices, instead of focusing on content to grow the player base. Pretty unbelievable.
Seriously! Ive wondered how much more wed have to play around with if they didnt have to back pedal and fix all the screw ups, might even have had bonafied cities by now
If arrowhead made a T-shirt, it would say “We know, we’re working on it. It’s almost like you should work on it before you release it and realize that you should’ve worked on it more.
@@josuemoreno1672 Exactly. Too many people are quick to complain about anything and everything. The eagle strikes with the DSS are great, the orbital bombardment needs work to be more effective at killing enemies and not just players lol but it's already pretty well-established that the DSS provides a way for more changes in future updates. Not sure why it's such a hot topic right now
So how many times are we supposed to accept their apology? When will we finally reach a point where they listed to the players and won't revert back to doing their bad ideas? Honestly I'm tired of it.
@@gamerbeast3616 "If you don't like it, don't buy it" I wish I was told at the start how this is going to go, as now I can't refund. I'd wager lots of other players (the majority in fact) would also have opted out of this game.
Man I remember telling people to stand on principle when "Buffdivers" came out; that just because they buffed some things doesn't mean they're listening to customers _at all,_ and people told me to shut up and be satisfied with "good substitute" rather than "what we fucking said". I'm always right about the worst things
Could you please stop with the misleading steam charts used in the video at 9:30. Like you look at it and it looks all bumpy and you look at the bottom graph and it's this huge drop off. But in reality the facts side with you if you would just display them properly. The up and downs on the graph are normal, they're the result of just daily cycles where some places are asleep. The bigger thing is that we peaked at 45k players following the buffdivers update. Since then we've seen a steady decrease in players from 72k peak on steam down to 30k peak, a loss of 58%. This wasn't a sudden drop off from the DSS, this was a slow decrease as people just got bored. The more important thing is looking at where it spiked for the DSS update, or more accurately that it didn't. The DSS brought no one back to the game even though it's supposed to be this big thing and AH is losing players just by simply not making any meaningful fun progression. Edits: To clarify and correct information. Some of my numbers were wrong and they have been updated. Also it appears people believed I was talking about the chart in the thumbnail. I wasn't, you gotta do what you gotta do to fight the yt algorithm, but the chart in the video was disingenuous.
If anyone feels like me I don't have something to grind for. Week long cooldowns on a half baked space station prevents me from stacking samples. The whole game is built around a goal and when you run out of things to build for it gets boring. They should have massive donation requirements with massive reward. Even if it's as simple as one or two extra stratagems it's still better than the current implementation. Make us work for upgrades and make threats to the station. Maybe even missions where we defend the station by defending breaches or by breaching Automaton capital ships.
really i dont understand what they were doing the whole time we were building the station. orbital bombardments and strafing runs already exists in the game, and lowering the re-enforcements is so damn easy. with a couple of tweaks they have copied and pasted pre-made content. it is profoundly lazy! if all we got for now were vehicles or some kind of semi-op stratagem. or hell even a extra stratagem slot, which is interesting and minimal effort i would be happy. i am in love with this game but this is starting to feel like an abusive relationship.
Why is AH so scared to do something amazing? They play it far too safe and then just deliver nothing basically. I came to retire from Warframe to this game, but Warframe knew how to wow people, they got their stride and the followed up time and time again. Heres HD2 stragglin along.
If that is the case I wonder if their developers are actually saboteurs that keep doing petty shit when their bosses aren't breathing down their neck, however it is normal that they drop updates before the weekend as they don't work on weekends. They've said numerous times that is the reason why they prefer launching content early in the week.
@@FlamingVaIIey Many previous happenings seemed weird decisions, at the very first months of the game some players were theorizing sabotage. Personally, i think it might as well be.
actually uninstalled today, i dont find myself eager to play anymore, its just headache after headache and I cant keep letting stupid decisions slide. So many decisions were very clearly bad ideas but they made it through anyway and AH just keeps doing the same song and dance of "things will change we promise", im tired boss I just want it to be fun again but seems like AH has other plans. People will defend them and point to their apology but I judge people by their actions, not their words, and AH has shown me that they are incapable of addressing the core problems in their internal planning and QA
How to fix DSS first have two DSS one for bots one for bugs Second remove DSS Cool down on the DSS effects, whats the point of the space station if it just sits there doing nothing 3 each effect should be Reactive like by default the booster effect should always be on at least for normal Planets. The planetary bombardment should be for Gambit planets and should give us a massive liberation bonus. An Eagle storm is perfect. Doesn't really need to be changed except removing the cool Downs.
Wouldn't it be awesome for the DSS to just be a straight buff like increased strategem capacity or quicker CD? Kinda tired of everything being a side grade or having a major drawback associated, maybe if it was a straight buff for the planet it was near it would unite players more to complete the major objective there.
That thing about knowing things gone wrong in 30 seconds, thats actually quite literal. The fastest campaign failure I have seen is all 24 diver KIA within 2 minutes. 2 damn minutes and we lost the game. People gets blown up half way out of the pod, leaving only the leg standing. People dies soon as they try to push the first button to call down the shield, because the bombs drops right on top of them. People dies whether they are clumped up, or far away from each other. There are 5 matches I been in where people lost all reinforcement in 3 minute, but failing immediately in 2? thats a god damn record.
That would be just too simple, efficient and would work too well. Gotta overcomplicate it a little, so it breaks and needs to be fixed again and again.
My concern is that they are putting LOTS of effort towards adding Illuminate & while they will be fun to fight for a few weeks, after that we will be exactly where we are at now. We need long term progression systems, vehicles, weapon customization & upgrades, city fighting alongside SEAF, new super destroyers etc. You can only dive so many times doing the same objectives before your playerbase loses interest.
You can only do so many things at a time. The illuminate were being worked on way before launch and are probably almost done and most of the stuff you suggested weren’t even considered until the game got popular. Don’t get me wrong I would like to see most of that stuff in the game but they need to focus on getting one thing done at a time *(preferably the illuminate since they are the closest to being done.)* instead of working on everything at once.
Arrowhead is the biggest test of self-sabotage ever conducted in the video gaming history! Not only do they not play thier game, they do not test whatever they are working on not even once! This is pathetic! The cooldown is just a god damm middle finger to the players!
You're embarrassing yourself with this level of exaggeration. The biggest test of self-sabotage? You seriously expect ANYONE to believe that Arrowhead has fumbled harder than Blizzard or Bethesda? Or self-sabotaged harder than Firewalk with Concord? What kind of mad gas are you huffing?
I feel like they really need above all, aside from a beta test environment, is something akin to Dead By Daylight's Fog Whisperers. People who have spent hours upon hours in the game to tell them what players do and don't like, since they clearly don't know themselves.
I've been reaching out to AH for months with hours of work outlining an entire endgame ecosystem & it was completely ignored. AH isn't interested in feedback, they just give it lip service.
It wasn't a failure, it was a disappointment. It coming online was literally just a new feature being switched on. It was the community that decided beforehand that we were getting a massive content drop. The DSS is something that will gain features over time, as they've already said.
I think something to keep in mind tho, is that the fact that Arrowhead even listens to its community to begin with, is a very western luxury in this day in age. Japanese Developers are often completely disinterested in the voice of the community in western markets for months or years and will "take a peek over" whenever they feel the enthusiasm to do so. This sometimes CAN be a good thing because it will often end up being a very consistent product (Think Demon's Souls who even had a Sony Rep outright lambast the game, and the developers rightfully refused to budge on their dream). We have a unique situation with Arrowhead, and while it's probably easy to get frustrated at them for these situations, ya gotta appreciate the fact that they will eventually listen and adjust.
Seriously we need new mission types. Badly. We also need micro missions, 10-15 minute long missions so ot doesn't take and hour and half to finish a mission set. We need more missions types.
I think they should also fix some missions too. Like the Defend the Generators mission is boring, whenever I play it with people we end up just sitting around waiting for the enemies to spawn because our turrets, mines, etc kill them to quickly. I think if they made it so that the enemies spawned constantly and harder enemies like the bile titian, inpaler, etc slowly spawn more and more as the game goes on. It would remove the time waiting in between spawns of the enemies and in my personal opinion make it funner.
The problem is the type of gamers the developers are - many are only barely gamers to begin with, but the vast majority of the ones who are, are pure YOLO players. That’s why they think the continuous orbital bombardment is good - “ROFL I just blew up!!! Big bomb go boom!!!!” Nothing wrong with a bit of screwing around, but turning the whole match into a 3 ring circus removes almost all skill from the equation. But to them, this is good, because they’re bad at the game. Sadly many live service games go down this route of catering to the lowest common denominator to increase player numbers and engagement (nothing wrong with that in principle, but it’s the way you do it that matters).
With the DSS, I was really hoping for some new stratagems or alternate versions of the ones we have. I was hoping that we could finally upgrade our gear and favourite guns and strats. Needless to say I was disappointed but thought I'd at least see what we were working so hard to protect. Until a reasonable use for samples and req credits gets implemented, I'm not sure if I'll keep consistently playing until another warbond is released.
I wish there was a way of Arrowhead just separating from Sony. I don't think they are bad devs, just inexperienced with massive live service and used to niche games.
I can respect your comment now. Yea the game is a struggle between getting a nice update followed by disasters. It almost fills like we have a mole either on Super Earth or within the dev team. Still baffles me how the nerf decision was passed on without CCO's decision.
That's so funny, I mentioned that months back. It was a horrible intro song. I would fast forward through it everytime. Then he changed it to a helldivers intro , and that was fire. But, sadly, changed it back a few videos later. Anyway, this one is much better than default.
Arrowhead is like a bad girlfriend. She cheats on you, says she sorry and will change, gives is make up nookie, acts right for a few weeks, and then does it all over again
*Out of the Helldiver role* Don't forget... The devs are playing too... As a "managed democracy" style of government... **Helldiver role** My body for Super Earth!!!! If the DSS KILLS ME, then it kills me!!!
The opportunity cost of consecutive, terrible nerfs and ‘balance’ patches is awful. Spend 4 months sucking the fun out of the game, then another 2 months trying to reverse course and fix those mistakes…to end up 6 months behind on new content and meaningful progression. A half-baked and poorly tested DSS is just the icing on the cake. It is a regression to the mean and a return to old habits for Arrowhead after the 60 day plan.
It really feels like they sloppily add stuff to the game and then wait for us to tell them if they did it right or not. Like yes, you're never gonna stress test new content nearly as much as a full player base of thousands, but... come on. It's like almost every single time.
I feel like it would help them to start doing releases like rainbow six siege. Some hot fixes here and there but every major update cover new features or mechanics sweep in with a seasonal update with a test server a few weeks prior to release.
overdramatic as usual getting upset over an additional gameplay feature lmao the devs are trying to make the game better and they don't always get it perfectly right at first but they've shown to improve the game based on community feedback. The DSS doesn't make the game worse in any way because you can just avoid it and play on any planet you want. The DSS still brings added chaos and support to make a more varied and fun experience and it also gives a reason to keep farming late-game resources.
Honestly, I think HD2 would benefit from a PTS (Public Test Server). Many games are benefited by players finding bugs, OP things, and broken builds before things go live. It would also keep people playing more b/c they would be interested in trying out experimental guns, weaponry, stratagems, ect. before they are officially added in the live game. In my head, the benefits outweigh the cost of running an extra server. If the devs don't test things or if their way of testing is flawed, let the community have at it.
Don't remember on which HD2 news channel I said this, but I'll say it again: The DSS should allow for an extra stratagem (shared between all party members) at the cost of a precentage of the req required to purchase it, with that boost lasting for one operation (Though probably no oribitals and maybe eagles). Heck, they should make the prices favour less used stratagems so Divers can try more experimental/creative loadouts without worrying about making the missions harder. I never expected a social hub, but DAMN did Arrowhead fumble the ball with this one. It's an community driven "booster", why not let the community decide how It'll function be it in game or via discord? "High-Command has asks Liberty's greatest soldiers to cast in their mandatory vote on what the Democracy Space Station should focus its resources on when construction finishes!" I've seen so many good ideas in the comments prior to its construction. Just get the playerbases opinion on things like this. Sweet Liberty.... Afterthough: Maybe you could order extra reinforcents as well (+1 per Diver)? Thx for reading. May Liberty guide your every step!
I love the idea, even two I would say, or let’s spice it up, one per squad can purchase a temporary stratagem for the duration of the operation (it will be given as a modifier)
@@CEOrobotSpace I like it!... But I actually added the [Team shared] thing as an attempt to balance it a little and to encourage that team aspect HD2 is all about (since ,you know, the DSS is meant to be more community driven), but that was my original line of thought! Although if that change was to be made I would limit it to 1 because the whole point of the stratagems is to carefully choose which ones to bring. 2 would be too much, especially since the modifer that gives everyone access to a stratagem that is already in game could be stack, and 3 extra stratagems is... a resource nightmare (for the devs. That's why we can't have 2 mechs as of yet)
@ totally understandable, I’m a explosive maniac, I make everything go boom so those are my barrages fantasies (like a 500KG barrage, which would be the same as napalm but instead you know)
This is why developers need to play test games. Have a dedicated team for just play testing and debugging. I doubt a lot of the flops would have made it to players if proper QA was done.
Wanted to spread this idea I came across with the DSS: 1) The DSS needs massive passives. Think x2 or x3 XP for each mission applied to liberation, not to the helldivers and should prevent defense campaigns all the time. 2) Planetary Bombardment Make a unique artillery stratagem that is for free when the DSS Planetary Bombardment is active. I am thinking Mini Hell bomb shells. Almost the size of a 500kg but a little smaller. “Hell Shells” if you will. 3) Eagle Storm - 50% reduction on rearm. Arrowhead should have done a unique stratagem that would be free while active. Carpet bomber stratagem think x4 or x9 the size of an eagle strike. Should be able to destroy a large nest or base with one pass and a good throw. 4) Orbital Blockade - renamed “Helldiver Logistical Support”. Hellpod Space Optimization active for free. +1 (or more) Helldiver reinforcements. 50% cool down on all Equipment stratagems. Unique Free Stratagem “Overstocked Armory” (Calls in a random equipment/weapon stratagem on a consistent cool down timer.) Been submitted to the feedback forms but I think this is the best idea I have come across for what the DSS should have been.
So many of these issues would be solved with a test server so these patches and changes could get a decent test before hitting the live server. Even a handfull of outside eyes would make a huge difference
I honestly feel like arrowhead doesn't know what they want to do with helldivers long term. they may have some ideas short term, but overall I get the impression that when they come up with something new, they just have no idea what direction they want to steer it in. I honestly wish they would just go the route of expanding the IP and making the universe of helldivers feel bigger then we the player are, instead of promising big things that we honestly don't really need and is just gonna serve to disappoint. I would love new planet variety, new playstyles, even just new bits of niche lore like the B-1317 bomber. just things that would cement helldivers identity as an IP and make it stand out.
Arrowhead is making it hard to log in. I am addicted to HD2, for sure. But they keep dropping the ball, and i am at the point now that when i mouse over the game launch .exe i am thinking "Its just the same old same old, and nothing has changed with the studio." So it leaves me feeling "Do i want to invest more time just to be disappointed again in the future.
@badwrongbadong So because i really like something in need to chill, it's not a career? Great feedback. Also, you quoted me wrong. I did not say I can't play. I said it leaves me feeling, "Do I want to invest more time to be disappointed?" But hey, if you need to twist words and take things literally to feel like you have some moral high ground, keep at it if this is what you find fulfilling in life. Cheers brother.
I think the idea of the planetary bombardment is really cool, but it needs to be tweaked for sure. I shouldn't get blown up by a shell landing on top of an objective terminal I was running towards, especially with 0 enemies in the area. I think if you were to get blown up because a shell targeted an enemy right on top of you, sure, that seems more fair. I don't see why they can't just give the DSS access to our player's minimaps and enemy detection to target the enemies or something. I also don't understand why the DSS doesn't implement some kind of buff 24/7 above the planet it's on. Wouldn't it make more sense to engage hellpod space optimization, or maybe one of the reinforcement boosters, all of the time under the DSS? and then orbital blockade could have some other effect tacked onto it. We also need to have a way to vote on the actions being used or something because filling them and they automatically activate is really bad.
To be fair arrowhead is not an anomaly, name one live service game in the last 3 years that doesn't or didn't have this exact problem because I can think of 20 games that are in the same boat as arrowhead so to blame them for these mistakes isn't quite fair when every game is making them
I think it would be really cool if the DSS would just be that you can like put a special pin on the map and it would put the barrage there and when you specifically pin something (by clicking q) it would send an orbital strike on it. This would be really damn cool.
I think ...this is all a bit too dramatic. We are ( im guessing) all grown men here. Its a video game that isnt perfect. Thats about as much as i expect from it. And im jealous of a kid playing this game. I bet its really awesome for them.
This is what I expected to happen. They already messed up 3 times with their game. They never learn from their mistakes. They just can't seem to get this right.
This is also what I expected to happen, people cried for buffs because it was too hard, now the game is ridiculously easy and we don't have any newer content yet people are gonna keep complaining
@@JFK47x The problem is there being 10 difficulties, but like only 4 that actually matter with the differences between them being proportional to a 10 difficulty system. Half of the difficulty settings are immediately blocked by not dropping super samples and because of how the upgrade system works anything below 7 is a yawnfest after you get every upgrade.
I don’t think any of the recent criticisms are invalid, but I think if they just gave us more toys to play with like different guns and boosters it would take a lot of the pressure off of AHS when big things flop like the DSS. The return on investment of time put in from the players for what we got just wasn’t enough. I think it’s time to break the glass on the Illuminate.
@@justacomedianYou just watched too many content creators hype it up like it was gonna be a clan station, and have huge 10,000kg bombs when none of those leaks were actually confirmed.
The single biggest complaint I have about AH, is that they seem to do a lot of things without really testing it before they release it. We spent the better part of two months worth of MO working on attaining the DSS, but the orbital bombardment felt like they literally just sent it without testing it, the Eagle Straff didn't even trigger initially for a couple hours into it, and the information on just what the 3rd one did was so vague we had no idea what it did until...it was active. So much of the DSS just feels like they were dangling a carrot in front of us for two months without really putting any thought/work into what it would actually do once we did attain it in game.
It's insane that no one in Arrowhead realized that bombing the location of a helldiver and not 100-200 metres away was a good plan. Specially with no marked areas information to be sent to the Helldiver's Visor to see the danger areas or limits of places being nuked... How no one checked this on a private server, as it would have taken just 1 helldiver's dive to find out how big of a F Up it was, just 1 dive... So I don't understand this self-sabotage they are doing. The DSS took a bit over 2 months to construct, and It should have been in the devs talks and planning maybe 2-3 months before we started building it. So how did the DSS development had no common sense or oversight is beyond reason... It looks like Beavis and Butthead designed the DSS, and then having a laugh at how they would nuke their own helldivers into Submission... Or if we want to do a Conspiracy theory, maybe this was engineered by Sony as payback for the pushback the PC gamers did on their game for not wanting to subscribe to their platform... and they hacked arrowhead and modified the DSS to target players(beautiful silly theory lol)... The revenge of the "Evil Regime" of game Consoles...
Man, had to unsub, your clickbait title just to stir up controversy is just too much already. It just puts too much unnecessary negativity on this game.
I really want for them to implement that "platoon" feature so I can team up with divers that I know who are part of a tight nit group. I'm kind of tired of playing with randoms most of the time only for them to leave and I never see any of them again. I do have players in my friends list but oftentimes their group is either full or they're simply offline depending on the hours of the day that I play.
IMO, Helldivers 2 is a great 🎮. I'm a lvl. 130 elite diver. But even more, I'm a 38yrs. gamer and there's no game that's perfect. Everyone calm down. Great job AH. Keep up the good work 👏 🙌 👍
The DSS is overall a good thing I think. It's just that there was ao much hype and potentially for it that most people didn't expect it to be implemented this way. It's definitely a bit tiresome to have to keep waiting for AH to tweak their past updates and fall behind on new content. However, I'm personally not sure what they could do besides just go one or two extra miles further than they think they have to in order to release great stuff
I get the game engine is terrible and their working on old code but they should test their stuff before releaseing it, even if it takes longer ill rather wait than it not working
It's ironic, I'm currently writing a paper in college about how we as a society need to take time to look at our past and use that information to influence our future. Now, I can see that very need in my favorite game. Not gonna lie it does hurt, but I'm committed to HD2, the foundation of the game is one of the best in my opinion, but we are seeing how the foundation only makes a portion of the gaming experience. Now we want to see how good they are at taking a great game and making it even better, with more creative and player-loved ideas. I sincerely hope that the devs can bring this back and that this great community can hold on in these times of doubt.
I feel like that the person or team calling the shots when it comes to game design and game direction need to go and change. Whatever the vision and concept of this game director is, it does not match with the overall majority of players cos it seems that every major installment has to be rolled back or adjusted. The time and resources that have been spend on reworking stuff should have been used to create new and silly content.
I feel like Arrowhead is that kid that you tell a million times to stop touching the stove, and somehow, they still find different ways to burn themselves.
Leftenant Buzz hit the nail on the head, this formula AH is using a strategy similar to weaponized incompetence where gamers will not be able to demand what is to be expected of a very succesful AAA studio. This "release, oh its shit let us fix, fix, repeat" has made the new content release be a drag, new content is "goodish" but we can all see the warbonds are being filled with fodder to not develop more stratagems or weapons. They are on the thin line and its about to break for good.
i love helldivers since the first game but i am done playing with this game... for now As a fellow game dev for a indie game i understand that it is not easy for AH but they make constant bad decisions and DON'T LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES, i truly don't want to see this game die but if they don't TEST and FIX stuff before release they will destroy their reputatuion and their game The DSS took such a long time just to be mediocre at best and for it to get "better/updated" later
People are still butthurt that they didn't read. It literally said NONSTOP ORBITAL BARRAGE, and that's exactly what we got. "Oh, but it should have come with an indicator of where the shells are going to land." You mean like the default 380mm shells? Oh, wait, they don't give you any warning either. "But you know where the normal 380's are gonna be because of the beacon!" Yes, and you knew where the DSS barrage was going to be because it was planetwide. "Well, it needs breaks between volleys." Yes, because NONSTOP definitely means it's going to periodically stop.
As a lvl 115 i have no reason to come back or even trust Arrowhead. For the last few months they've just been wasting my time. People say the weapons upgrade was good. But its abhorrent it even got so bad. Now again we get lies over lies with work that makes them seem like they are actively working in negatives. The dss is nothing but a menu we had to grind for. All the extra bs makes it so i might play once in a while but Arrowhead and thier ways have put me off.
You are not being harsh enough. HD2 does not deserve any of the awards its been nominated in. AH has clearly not learned anything from all the feedback we gave em and keep giving em.
They don't need to make it do too much, just: 1. A free stratagem that we vote on what should be (chosing between 3-5 different and the one with the most votes is free for all to use for 24 hours while another is availiable for voting) 2. Hinder enemy influence (making it easier to liberate and defend planets). aka. permanent 3. Upgrades, we vote on what to build next and donate samples and req to build it, it will add a permanent bonus to the DSS, it could be faster cooldown to certain strategems, +1 to certain eagle stratagems, more reinforcements, a free OPS kinda strat on DSS planet, have certain POIs revealed on deployment (such as SEAF artillery sites, stalker lairs, radar stations) even be new weaponry for everyone, some things should only work on the DSS planet while fx. new weaponry is global. 4. POSSIBLE "social hub" where you can at the least be with your current squad (instead of your super destroyer). It needs to be a "mobile guild HQ mega destroyer base" kinda thing that we upgrade and gives us a major edge on the planet it's at. Also, REMOVE its planetary bombardment, that's a teamkiller.
for me if they rework the DSS, when ping a objective, continuous orbital barrage will be strike until all the factories and main objective are cleared. second buff would be helldivers unlock massive buff for heavy armor, like double the padding from 150 to 300, increase another 25% reduction damage, stamina recovery to 100, and speed 500. Last buff would be when you throw a eagle strike, instead of one eagle, it will be five eagle aircrafts grouping like a V shape that bombard the area with unlimited used. this massive eagle strike would just work like a eagle strafe with a fair safe distance for the diver.
If they, at least, let us pick an extra stratagem in the planet where the DSS is deployed I believe there would have been less backlash with how luckluster the DSS is and the frekin huge cooldowns after we spent all those samples...
Honestly, I've been able to dodge most of the issues just by not playing the game when it's bad. I know this is many peoples "game" that they play every day, but perhaps having a few different things to play can help take out the sting.
it wasnt a failure, it was a disappointment, it was more or less just a feature being turned on, I get they have been working on other things for future content drops but it still feels just a tad lazy, then again I have to admit It was the community that decided beforehand that we were getting a massive content drop. The DSS is something that, as far as I understand, will gain features over time, as they've have apparantly intended, still cant help but feel a little disappointed but it is what it is, I'll give AH the benefit of the doubt, afterall as long as I have my homies to play with I'll keep diving, its still fun afterall imo
They should change the orbital bombardment on the DSS to be orbital railcannon strikes. That way it’s easily telegraphed because it’s laser guided to the highest priority target in the area. They could even make it so it does one strike every 30 seconds or something that way it’s not too overpowered.
I feel like the question comes down to: How many divers will be left when they get it together? I'm displeased with the DSS, same as everyone. But I think it's functions CAN be used to make the game more fun. That said, the democracy system for placing it is flawed, the timers are way too long, and they would do well to use it as a vehicle for adding features. DSS specific boosters you can invest samps to research, or strategems tied to where it is. They give us "research facilities" all over, but half the time all they deliver is bad news. Let us pinpoint the origin planet if the jet brigade, if nothing else, using a resource pool through the DSS.
I feel like most are over reacting the moment it didn't do exactly what they wanted. I've been having fun with the dss and I'll live cause the employees on this fictional base are brand new cut em some slack
Right now I think the issue is actually in the prototyping process and the QA process. Issue in prototyping is the question of asking user Impact when implementing systems to see if it is beneficial or frustrating to the users with how a system is going to work. Then the QA team needs to have a user focus in their process to push back on designs that have that 'half-baked' sense to them. This is going to be a learned behavior thing as most training for software development doesn't push those mindsets but are the success points for live service games. Arrowhead has thus far done better than some pretty major studios for keeping those things insight at least with a public apology and a promise to do better. I've seen other studios just doubledown on the bad decision making and continue to push until they get some sort of success. I'll give them credit for attempting to course correct and just end up running in a circle.
I think honestly the biggest issue with the DSS is just how creatively bankrupt it is. The abilities are pre-existing stratagems, the concept is form star wars, and the model is literally just the model of a resupply station over mars.
@@WatcherFromDeep He is like 12 years old, fan-girling over his favorite game. She is so blindly in love with the game, she cant see the red flags. Im also guessing they are pretty new to the game and at a low level, and have not been through the roller coaster of updates, and updates on updates, a lot of us have.
I felt like the DSS was the same mechanics as when you're off the map for for 10 seconds. The staffing run though seemed solid. Rather than being random why not just allow all divers to get a strategem for unlimited bombardments or straffing runs for a period of time when the DSS is above. Give us the control or at least mark the ground with a red strat marker that something is about to come in.
There are so many things that could've easily made the DSS much more worth the grind. The planetary effect of taking away a defense campaign and giving the passive of hellpod optimization... should be standard and not something you should have to activate. It is supposed to provide spacial superiority... it should help provide a boost to liberate. Those three things should just be a passive when the station is in orbit without us having to do anything other than vote where it goes. Hell pay in to have constant eagle strikes like we do now that is supposed to be decent (I haven't played with the DSS active yet just seen videos like this) have particular stratagems that we call in or can buy using the requisition slips and samples to use but then be allowed to call them in when we actually need them and when we can avoid any mishaps if needed.
DSS or orbit could have other interesting passives, like jamming enemy automatons and affecting acurracy and detection distance. Improved call in time for stratagems, EXTRA eagle runs. Reduce Orbital cooldowns. There ate lots of options to play with
Would be nice if the planetary bombardment was a strike that could be ordered via the map. You get whatever…say 3-5 uses during a mission and it’s an orbital barrage but much faster firing and wider spread. The eagle storm is perfect, doesn’t even need to be tweaked in my opinion. The planetary barrage at least needs to have some self targeting. It should target groups like the eagle storm strikes and maybe even give warning of a targeted area several seconds before commencing. I hope that we get more abilities tied to the DSS in the future. Overall it’s a win for AH imo. It just needs some tweaking.
For those on the Bot Front: Look to the Left Flank. All low Planetary Regen Rates. Control would allow for FTL Lines up the whole left flank. The Right Flank appears to have some low regen rates as well. Instead of going into the center, surrounded by enemy attack vectors we could take the flanks and set the Bot inside a large Pincer Move. We, as a community, don't seem to know, understand, or appreciate the Planetary Regen Rates and the effects on our efforts. However: This info REQUIRES a 3rd Party Site at this time, should be IN the game. So no wonder most aren't aware.
Bwahahah, we've managed to screw up with Mastia, now again with Gaellivare/Imber not closing it fast enough. Same goes for Acamar IV in the previous GO. LOL'd sooo much, ppl closing planets with 4.14% instead of 2%? Seeeriously? AH in the text of orders really lol'd at us in the debrief
i havent played HD 2 since shortly after the big update that "fixed the weapon balacne" the big update to save the game. i solo play and it seemed that they did nothing in that update to address the chaff spawn and high numbers of enemies that flank solo players from all sides, even spawning right below the player. add that the enemies got more accurate AND we take more limb damage to 'compensate' for the headshot damage decrease... solo play feels left by the wayside. i turned this video on on a whim to see if anythings changed... dissapointing (though not surprising) that it seems shit is still shit. broken buggy and rejected by the players who want to see the game they got months ago. ive been stuck on Difficulty 5 since the Patrol Spawn issue days, when everyone dealt with the same speed at which patrols appeared. i dont do multiplayer so im S.O.L (seems rather shit to have randoms just have to deal with the possibility my shit internet could give out at any time, id rather just solo games.) Shame i bought a game that says 1-4 players when the dev team seems adamant that solo players get screwed more with every update.
So you have shitty Internet now that's a problem with the game? It's quite obvious this is a multiplayer co-op game, not a solo one. If you're stuck on difficulty 5 I'm sorry to say that's obviously a you problem, even difficulty 10 is trivial now
How to fix orbital bombardment to not screw players. Keep the stat boost, make it a single 380 bombardment that targets a random enemy nest or outpost upon mission start. Boom a whole enemy nest or outpost you don't have to worry about clearing or generating patrols, and you didn't even have to use a strategem on it
We lose territory faster in 24 hours than liberating a planet in 3 days. Liberated the same planet 30+ times, only to lose it again in 1 day, for the 50th time. Looking at the galaxy map looks overwhelming, because we have no progress, ever.
I think a good idea for the DSS would have been unique strategems you could purchase for missions. IE, pay 10000 req slips to be able to have access to an Orbital Precision Mini Nuke or a Rail cannon Barrage for that mission only. Something OP but can only be accessed with the DSS overhead and enough Req slips. Use it too much and you'd quickly delete your slips to keep it balanced.
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Alright my proposed solution tof the DSS when it comes to orbital bombardment, just give a free fast charging 380 that any diver can deploy 30 to 60 second recharge to indicate gun calibration and it doesn't take any slot away from the divers while giving a powerful benefit for orbital bombardment without killing divers constantly makes the DSS feel powerful and useful and not a detriment, I heard the eagle storm was fine. But that's my suggestion, hell just provide a massive reduction to all stratigem recharge times when the DSS is in orbit to indicate that it's support in orbit with all the tools on hand. Make vehicles not have a deployment cap. It should feel broken as hell to have it I orbit
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Normally I like your takes, but I think you're wrong on this. The Orbital Bombardment wasn't that bad, though I agree that it should be tweaked. I suspect many changes are coming soon, that we should be looking forward to. Y'all be tripping without sinking enough time into it to properly understand the mechanics of it.
For me, I've finally given up on HD2; there are far too many games out that I can play instead, and I haven't been having fun in HD2 for weeks now.
Apologies mean nothing if you just keep doing the same thing over and over
Same thing, it's a different mistake
@AMobutter it was another patch that had clearly been untested before it's release. How is it different from every other time? And the toxic way of how they've treated their fan base, is having an affect now on other games, it needs to stop.
Well it works with idiots like their fanbase😂😂😂
Here's a simple buff for the DSS: if the DSS is in orbit, you get unlimited charges for mechs and orbital lasers.
Honestly if they just changed the orbital bombardment to something like a super fast recharge stratigem that the divers can control it would change the whole situation
@@conscript900 Or just make it available as a free slot stratagem permanently w/e the DSS is, not that hard of a concept rather than a reinforcement draining...
Man isnt updated in what AH
Said, dss early state theyre eventually do smemthinf on it mext week or something
The orbital bombardment being orbital laser instead would be so much better. You can actually see and mostly avoid the laser, and you don't always die when it hits you. Especially if you're wearing fire resist armor.
@@GoodBoyGoneDadngl, the sight of 10 perpetually always active orbital lasers just beaming their way around the map would be kinda insane....
The problem isnt even the DSS. Its the content or lack thereof. We have pretty much no new missions and every Major order is mostly just flavor text for the same liberate/defense campaigns over and over again. Why should I even care if they fix the DSS? so I can use it on the same exact missions Ive played hundreds of times? When we were building the DSS we didn't get ANY special missions AT ALL. Like when we needed to populate it, I thought we could maybe see big new missions of escorting big groups of civilians to ships or something. Nope, same ol same old. They have so much potential for new and exciting missions they could make for these major orders but seemingly never do.
@@johnny394your totally wrong. Players having criticisms and critiques and wanting new stuff should do nothing but improve and strengthen the game. It’s not the players fault they lost 60 days reversing the issues they created by not listening to players to begin with and when they do listen to something it’s the echo chamber of a discord. Players wanting them to move the game forward or push out more content isn’t the problem the problem is Ahs mismanagement and lack of any kind of direction. Players have been more than understanding and patient and now it’s getting ridiculous because a new warbond that has maybe 1 or 2 items you might like isn’t gonna supplement the lack of content and it’s repetitiveness after you pretty much max leveled everything. this is a live service game it was marketed as a live service with a campaign that changes based around every players actions and it’s just been a slog, the major orders always have a new description but it’s always the same missions and it feels like the devs bring the campaign to a full stop because they overlooked something. Helldivers had a very strong launch and immediately built a fan base and it feels like they are unable to appreciate that or understand till they do something that drives more players away then they act all apologetic then do the same thing months later the PROBLEM is they have developed a reputation for every step forward the inevitably take two steps back then act like they don’t know what happened.
@AWonderingTraveIer gonna um actually you on this one. While I agree with you on pretty much everything you said, he isn't wrong.
A big part of why the mechanics of the game keep breaking is because they don't test the new content before it ships. I mean, airbrush shrapnel for the devistator? Unlimited barrage for the rocket bots? A DSS that literally uses the out of bounds barrage with its targeting. Let's not forget about the whole flamethrower fiasco either.
The pushing of content normally isn't bad, but in the case of AH right now, the gears are grinding so bad either they stop to fix it, or the whole thing goes under from the weight of poor mechanics being ham fisted into a broken machine. That's the point.
@@calumcampbell6435I see what you mean and I get it development is a rough job and the game should definitely function before new content but what’s going on in my head is “why don’t they have actual beta servers for experienced players to test the new updates before they drop” I like arrowhead but they keep backing themselves into corners and it just leads to them overworked and players unhappy. I think a big blame is them relying way too much on the community management to voice our wants and concerns instead of directly interacting with players like streams. I noticed they do polls a lot in their discord but it seems kinda pointless since a large portion of the players are banned for upsetting a power hungry moderator
Yeah, I at least wanted evacuation missions to progress the bar faster or something. Needing to defend full planets worth of people makes it feel like the devs don't quite understand the implications of that. Hundreds of thousands of people per planet, if not millions. To evacuate even half of one planet is a herculean task. So, we should have had a required amount of evac missions, at the very least. But obviously, I want to see new mission types, as well.
The biggest issue is that since launch whenever they drop new content they break the game. They can't fix broken stuff and release new content that will inevitably break things further. So they need to first finish fixing everything before adding new content.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to be disappointed by Arrowhead, again.
they have learned keep haiting
@@gamerbeast3616You might wanna work on your spelling before you criticize someone
@@The_Ragequit_Cannon you understood it g so relax 🧘
@@josuemoreno1672 It still is a bad look
@@gamerbeast3616 They have not learned, clearly lol
The problem AH has is that they have had to spend months since launch fixing their idiot choices, instead of focusing on content to grow the player base. Pretty unbelievable.
Seriously! Ive wondered how much more wed have to play around with if they didnt have to back pedal and fix all the screw ups, might even have had bonafied cities by now
Yep, still no illuminate 😴😴😴😴
@@thatoneguy1741they never said the Illuminate were even coming. Lmfao Yall brought that on by yourselves.
@@LudlowSRKstill the point that there is no new content is dumb
@LudlowSRK I was thinking the same... They never said they were gonna bring them to HD2 😢
If arrowhead made a T-shirt, it would say “We know, we’re working on it. It’s almost like you should work on it before you release it and realize that you should’ve worked on it more.
But then people complain they’re taking too long and that they aren’t listening to the player base.
@@josuemoreno1672 Exactly. Too many people are quick to complain about anything and everything. The eagle strikes with the DSS are great, the orbital bombardment needs work to be more effective at killing enemies and not just players lol but it's already pretty well-established that the DSS provides a way for more changes in future updates. Not sure why it's such a hot topic right now
Or, you know, actually play the game.
They outright admitted to not even playing their game.
@@Ironed-Silver they recently started doing that on test servers
I would buy that T-Shirt
So how many times are we supposed to accept their apology? When will we finally reach a point where they listed to the players and won't revert back to doing their bad ideas? Honestly I'm tired of it.
then quit the game if you are so tierd of it
When people stop caring about the game. So far it hasn't happened.
@@gamerbeast3616 "If you don't like it, don't buy it" I wish I was told at the start how this is going to go, as now I can't refund. I'd wager lots of other players (the majority in fact) would also have opted out of this game.
Man I remember telling people to stand on principle when "Buffdivers" came out; that just because they buffed some things doesn't mean they're listening to customers _at all,_ and people told me to shut up and be satisfied with "good substitute" rather than "what we fucking said". I'm always right about the worst things
Most of the buffs was literally just more ammo at that
Could you please stop with the misleading steam charts used in the video at 9:30. Like you look at it and it looks all bumpy and you look at the bottom graph and it's this huge drop off. But in reality the facts side with you if you would just display them properly. The up and downs on the graph are normal, they're the result of just daily cycles where some places are asleep. The bigger thing is that we peaked at 45k players following the buffdivers update. Since then we've seen a steady decrease in players from 72k peak on steam down to 30k peak, a loss of 58%. This wasn't a sudden drop off from the DSS, this was a slow decrease as people just got bored. The more important thing is looking at where it spiked for the DSS update, or more accurately that it didn't. The DSS brought no one back to the game even though it's supposed to be this big thing and AH is losing players just by simply not making any meaningful fun progression.
Edits: To clarify and correct information. Some of my numbers were wrong and they have been updated. Also it appears people believed I was talking about the chart in the thumbnail. I wasn't, you gotta do what you gotta do to fight the yt algorithm, but the chart in the video was disingenuous.
Bro what the fuck are you talking? We had almost 50k divers last week, almost every day
i liked this guy until recently another slop helldivers channel
Can’t wait for this to be the top comment in the next video and him having to explain himself
If anyone feels like me I don't have something to grind for. Week long cooldowns on a half baked space station prevents me from stacking samples. The whole game is built around a goal and when you run out of things to build for it gets boring.
They should have massive donation requirements with massive reward. Even if it's as simple as one or two extra stratagems it's still better than the current implementation. Make us work for upgrades and make threats to the station. Maybe even missions where we defend the station by defending breaches or by breaching Automaton capital ships.
@@kingaxolotl262I wouldn’t bet on it
really i dont understand what they were doing the whole time we were building the station. orbital bombardments and strafing runs already exists in the game, and lowering the re-enforcements is so damn easy. with a couple of tweaks they have copied and pasted pre-made content. it is profoundly lazy! if all we got for now were vehicles or some kind of semi-op stratagem. or hell even a extra stratagem slot, which is interesting and minimal effort i would be happy. i am in love with this game but this is starting to feel like an abusive relationship.
They weren't testing the DSS. That's for sure.
JUST BUFF THE EFFING SLUGGER ALREADY!
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Why is AH so scared to do something amazing? They play it far too safe and then just deliver nothing basically. I came to retire from Warframe to this game, but Warframe knew how to wow people, they got their stride and the followed up time and time again. Heres HD2 stragglin along.
Exactly same here, but good thing is we can always go back to wf. After playing Stalker 2 I’m going back to wf1999🎉
Call me a conspiracy theorist but pilsted and shams being out for the weekend and the DSS dropping in this state seems to match up perfectly...
If that is the case I wonder if their developers are actually saboteurs that keep doing petty shit when their bosses aren't breathing down their neck, however it is normal that they drop updates before the weekend as they don't work on weekends. They've said numerous times that is the reason why they prefer launching content early in the week.
I think they are the only 2 in AH know how to do game right. I sincerely hope they bail out soon coz AH is destined to fail.
@@FlamingVaIIey Many previous happenings seemed weird decisions, at the very first months of the game some players were theorizing sabotage. Personally, i think it might as well be.
Let's be honest even if those two scam artists were at work instead of taking another vacation, the DSS would still be absolute garbage
actually uninstalled today, i dont find myself eager to play anymore, its just headache after headache and I cant keep letting stupid decisions slide. So many decisions were very clearly bad ideas but they made it through anyway and AH just keeps doing the same song and dance of "things will change we promise", im tired boss I just want it to be fun again but seems like AH has other plans. People will defend them and point to their apology but I judge people by their actions, not their words, and AH has shown me that they are incapable of addressing the core problems in their internal planning and QA
How to fix DSS first have two DSS one for bots one for bugs
Second remove DSS Cool down on the DSS effects, whats the point of the space station if it just sits there doing nothing
3 each effect should be Reactive like by default the booster effect should always be on at least for normal Planets.
The planetary bombardment should be for Gambit planets and should give us a massive liberation bonus.
An Eagle storm is perfect. Doesn't really need to be changed except removing the cool Downs.
Wouldn't it be awesome for the DSS to just be a straight buff like increased strategem capacity or quicker CD? Kinda tired of everything being a side grade or having a major drawback associated, maybe if it was a straight buff for the planet it was near it would unite players more to complete the major objective there.
Yeah i had the same idea one more stratagem, automatic reinforcement, and the supply booster should just be default to fighting under the dss.
I agree! And a buff we could do is gaining a second orbital charge (similar to eagles)
DSS immediately drained the "fun" I had and not been diving since. On the fence if I just uninstall and look ahead to other titles....
Uninstall but watch to see if the game developers ever start caring about what players think of gun balance and having favorites
I haven't played since the DSS release but isn't it stationed over one planet at a time or is it a whole sector or something?
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PLEASE PLAY DEEP ROCK GALACTIC. Trust me
@@joshholland90from my experience, one planet, so i dont really know how the dss derailed his fun
That thing about knowing things gone wrong in 30 seconds, thats actually quite literal. The fastest campaign failure I have seen is all 24 diver KIA within 2 minutes. 2 damn minutes and we lost the game. People gets blown up half way out of the pod, leaving only the leg standing. People dies soon as they try to push the first button to call down the shield, because the bombs drops right on top of them. People dies whether they are clumped up, or far away from each other. There are 5 matches I been in where people lost all reinforcement in 3 minute, but failing immediately in 2? thats a god damn record.
yeah the groups i've seen succeed use heavy explosive armor haha
You got demolished lol! I’m 150, but I’m glad I stopped playing right after I donated the very first set of resources to the dss
Recommended new development cycle:
AH: We have this cool idea. What should it do?
Players: tons of good ideas
AH: considers and implements
Simple enough.. and let’s quiet down those leakers.
That would be just too simple, efficient and would work too well. Gotta overcomplicate it a little, so it breaks and needs to be fixed again and again.
My concern is that they are putting LOTS of effort towards adding Illuminate & while they will be fun to fight for a few weeks, after that we will be exactly where we are at now. We need long term progression systems, vehicles, weapon customization & upgrades, city fighting alongside SEAF, new super destroyers etc. You can only dive so many times doing the same objectives before your playerbase loses interest.
You can only do so many things at a time. The illuminate were being worked on way before launch and are probably almost done and most of the stuff you suggested weren’t even considered until the game got popular.
Don’t get me wrong I would like to see most of that stuff in the game but they need to focus on getting one thing done at a time *(preferably the illuminate since they are the closest to being done.)* instead of working on everything at once.
Arrowhead is the biggest test of self-sabotage ever conducted in the video gaming history! Not only do they not play thier game, they do not test whatever they are working on not even once! This is pathetic! The cooldown is just a god damm middle finger to the players!
You're embarrassing yourself with this level of exaggeration. The biggest test of self-sabotage? You seriously expect ANYONE to believe that Arrowhead has fumbled harder than Blizzard or Bethesda? Or self-sabotaged harder than Firewalk with Concord? What kind of mad gas are you huffing?
I feel like they really need above all, aside from a beta test environment, is something akin to Dead By Daylight's Fog Whisperers. People who have spent hours upon hours in the game to tell them what players do and don't like, since they clearly don't know themselves.
I've been reaching out to AH for months with hours of work outlining an entire endgame ecosystem & it was completely ignored. AH isn't interested in feedback, they just give it lip service.
@lancebennington5327 now I'm curious what ideas you had. That is, of course, if you're fine sharing here on YT.
I still like Helldivers 2. The DSS was a massiv Failure. Something has to be done in this Companie to prevent this from happening
not a failure at all
@@gamerbeast3616 its clearly a failure. People hate it. Stop fan-girling and start seeing facts.
It wasn't a failure, it was a disappointment. It coming online was literally just a new feature being switched on. It was the community that decided beforehand that we were getting a massive content drop. The DSS is something that will gain features over time, as they've already said.
I think something to keep in mind tho, is that the fact that Arrowhead even listens to its community to begin with, is a very western luxury in this day in age. Japanese Developers are often completely disinterested in the voice of the community in western markets for months or years and will "take a peek over" whenever they feel the enthusiasm to do so. This sometimes CAN be a good thing because it will often end up being a very consistent product (Think Demon's Souls who even had a Sony Rep outright lambast the game, and the developers rightfully refused to budge on their dream).
We have a unique situation with Arrowhead, and while it's probably easy to get frustrated at them for these situations, ya gotta appreciate the fact that they will eventually listen and adjust.
Seriously we need new mission types. Badly. We also need micro missions, 10-15 minute long missions so ot doesn't take and hour and half to finish a mission set.
We need more missions types.
I think they should also fix some missions too. Like the Defend the Generators mission is boring, whenever I play it with people we end up just sitting around waiting for the enemies to spawn because our turrets, mines, etc kill them to quickly. I think if they made it so that the enemies spawned constantly and harder enemies like the bile titian, inpaler, etc slowly spawn more and more as the game goes on. It would remove the time waiting in between spawns of the enemies and in my personal opinion make it funner.
Also need higher difficulty than 10, might as well call that one trivial
search and destroy missions:
The problem is the type of gamers the developers are - many are only barely gamers to begin with, but the vast majority of the ones who are, are pure YOLO players. That’s why they think the continuous orbital bombardment is good - “ROFL I just blew up!!! Big bomb go boom!!!!” Nothing wrong with a bit of screwing around, but turning the whole match into a 3 ring circus removes almost all skill from the equation. But to them, this is good, because they’re bad at the game.
Sadly many live service games go down this route of catering to the lowest common denominator to increase player numbers and engagement (nothing wrong with that in principle, but it’s the way you do it that matters).
Counter all this by referring to the 60 day patch rework after what 6 a 7 months. Cause I really wonder if they are GAMERS at all.
With the DSS, I was really hoping for some new stratagems or alternate versions of the ones we have.
I was hoping that we could finally upgrade our gear and favourite guns and strats.
Needless to say I was disappointed but thought I'd at least see what we were working so hard to protect.
Until a reasonable use for samples and req credits gets implemented, I'm not sure if I'll keep consistently playing until another warbond is released.
I wish there was a way of Arrowhead just separating from Sony. I don't think they are bad devs, just inexperienced with massive live service and used to niche games.
I can respect your comment now. Yea the game is a struggle between getting a nice update followed by disasters. It almost fills like we have a mole either on Super Earth or within the dev team.
Still baffles me how the nerf decision was passed on without CCO's decision.
That intro music was so much better. I always muted the old one.
That's so funny, I mentioned that months back. It was a horrible intro song. I would fast forward through it everytime. Then he changed it to a helldivers intro , and that was fire. But, sadly, changed it back a few videos later. Anyway, this one is much better than default.
Arrowhead is like a bad girlfriend. She cheats on you, says she sorry and will change, gives is make up nookie, acts right for a few weeks, and then does it all over again
Only children keep going back.
Still waiting for our democracy buggies. (Let the DSS be the manufacturer plant.)
You really think it will work on release? I don't. Maybe 60 days later lol
*Out of the Helldiver role*
Don't forget... The devs are playing too... As a "managed democracy" style of government...
**Helldiver role**
My body for Super Earth!!!! If the DSS KILLS ME, then it kills me!!!
The opportunity cost of consecutive, terrible nerfs and ‘balance’ patches is awful. Spend 4 months sucking the fun out of the game, then another 2 months trying to reverse course and fix those mistakes…to end up 6 months behind on new content and meaningful progression.
A half-baked and poorly tested DSS is just the icing on the cake. It is a regression to the mean and a return to old habits for Arrowhead after the 60 day plan.
It really feels like they sloppily add stuff to the game and then wait for us to tell them if they did it right or not. Like yes, you're never gonna stress test new content nearly as much as a full player base of thousands, but... come on. It's like almost every single time.
I feel like it would help them to start doing releases like rainbow six siege. Some hot fixes here and there but every major update cover new features or mechanics sweep in with a seasonal update with a test server a few weeks prior to release.
overdramatic as usual getting upset over an additional gameplay feature lmao the devs are trying to make the game better and they don't always get it perfectly right at first but they've shown to improve the game based on community feedback. The DSS doesn't make the game worse in any way because you can just avoid it and play on any planet you want. The DSS still brings added chaos and support to make a more varied and fun experience and it also gives a reason to keep farming late-game resources.
Honestly, I think HD2 would benefit from a PTS (Public Test Server). Many games are benefited by players finding bugs, OP things, and broken builds before things go live. It would also keep people playing more b/c they would be interested in trying out experimental guns, weaponry, stratagems, ect. before they are officially added in the live game. In my head, the benefits outweigh the cost of running an extra server. If the devs don't test things or if their way of testing is flawed, let the community have at it.
Don't remember on which HD2 news channel I said this, but I'll say it again: The DSS should allow for an extra stratagem (shared between all party members) at the cost of a precentage of the req required to purchase it, with that boost lasting for one operation (Though probably no oribitals and maybe eagles). Heck, they should make the prices favour less used stratagems so Divers can try more experimental/creative loadouts without worrying about making the missions harder.
I never expected a social hub, but DAMN did Arrowhead fumble the ball with this one. It's an community driven "booster", why not let the community decide how It'll function be it in game or via discord? "High-Command has asks Liberty's greatest soldiers to cast in their mandatory vote on what the Democracy Space Station should focus its resources on when construction finishes!"
I've seen so many good ideas in the comments prior to its construction. Just get the playerbases opinion on things like this.
Sweet Liberty....
Afterthough: Maybe you could order extra reinforcents as well (+1 per Diver)?
Thx for reading. May Liberty guide your every step!
I love the idea, even two I would say, or let’s spice it up, one per squad can purchase a temporary stratagem for the duration of the operation (it will be given as a modifier)
@@CEOrobotSpace I like it!... But I actually added the [Team shared] thing as an attempt to balance it a little and to encourage that team aspect HD2 is all about (since ,you know, the DSS is meant to be more community driven), but that was my original line of thought!
Although if that change was to be made I would limit it to 1 because the whole point of the stratagems is to carefully choose which ones to bring. 2 would be too much, especially since the modifer that gives everyone access to a stratagem that is already in game could be stack, and 3 extra stratagems is... a resource nightmare (for the devs. That's why we can't have 2 mechs as of yet)
@ totally understandable,
I’m a explosive maniac, I make everything go boom so those are my barrages fantasies (like a 500KG barrage, which would be the same as napalm but instead you know)
I wonder when we get armor that protects us from bots and bugs instead of each other and our own self friendlyfire....
The launch of the DSS was flawed... says Twinbeard. Everything that has been launched has been flawed. That's the issue!!!!!! That's why we are mad!
But when it works it's so damn good
This is why developers need to play test games. Have a dedicated team for just play testing and debugging. I doubt a lot of the flops would have made it to players if proper QA was done.
The dss is a half baked idea.
baked idea
Wanted to spread this idea I came across with the DSS:
1) The DSS needs massive passives. Think x2 or x3 XP for each mission applied to liberation, not to the helldivers and should prevent defense campaigns all the time.
2) Planetary Bombardment
Make a unique artillery stratagem that is for free when the DSS Planetary Bombardment is active. I am thinking Mini Hell bomb shells. Almost the size of a 500kg but a little smaller. “Hell Shells” if you will.
3) Eagle Storm -
50% reduction on rearm.
Arrowhead should have done a unique stratagem that would be free while active. Carpet bomber stratagem think x4 or x9 the size of an eagle strike. Should be able to destroy a large nest or base with one pass and a good throw.
4) Orbital Blockade - renamed “Helldiver Logistical Support”.
Hellpod Space Optimization active for free.
+1 (or more) Helldiver reinforcements.
50% cool down on all Equipment stratagems.
Unique Free Stratagem “Overstocked Armory” (Calls in a random equipment/weapon stratagem on a consistent cool down timer.)
Been submitted to the feedback forms but I think this is the best idea I have come across for what the DSS should have been.
So many of these issues would be solved with a test server so these patches and changes could get a decent test before hitting the live server. Even a handfull of outside eyes would make a huge difference
I honestly feel like arrowhead doesn't know what they want to do with helldivers long term. they may have some ideas short term, but overall I get the impression that when they come up with something new, they just have no idea what direction they want to steer it in.
I honestly wish they would just go the route of expanding the IP and making the universe of helldivers feel bigger then we the player are, instead of promising big things that we honestly don't really need and is just gonna serve to disappoint.
I would love new planet variety, new playstyles, even just new bits of niche lore like the B-1317 bomber. just things that would cement helldivers identity as an IP and make it stand out.
Arrowhead is making it hard to log in. I am addicted to HD2, for sure. But they keep dropping the ball, and i am at the point now that when i mouse over the game launch .exe i am thinking "Its just the same old same old, and nothing has changed with the studio."
So it leaves me feeling "Do i want to invest more time just to be disappointed again in the future.
same here
If you're "addicted" to hd2 just try Deep Rock Galactic. You'll be worse than a crackhead millionaire I promise😂
Its a game dude. Not your career. Chill and play if fun, if it isnt, move on. “I cant play now cause i might get disappointed later” makes 0 sense
@badwrongbadong So because i really like something in need to chill, it's not a career? Great feedback. Also, you quoted me wrong. I did not say I can't play. I said it leaves me feeling, "Do I want to invest more time to be disappointed?" But hey, if you need to twist words and take things literally to feel like you have some moral high ground, keep at it if this is what you find fulfilling in life. Cheers brother.
I think the idea of the planetary bombardment is really cool, but it needs to be tweaked for sure. I shouldn't get blown up by a shell landing on top of an objective terminal I was running towards, especially with 0 enemies in the area. I think if you were to get blown up because a shell targeted an enemy right on top of you, sure, that seems more fair. I don't see why they can't just give the DSS access to our player's minimaps and enemy detection to target the enemies or something.
I also don't understand why the DSS doesn't implement some kind of buff 24/7 above the planet it's on. Wouldn't it make more sense to engage hellpod space optimization, or maybe one of the reinforcement boosters, all of the time under the DSS? and then orbital blockade could have some other effect tacked onto it.
We also need to have a way to vote on the actions being used or something because filling them and they automatically activate is really bad.
To be fair arrowhead is not an anomaly, name one live service game in the last 3 years that doesn't or didn't have this exact problem because I can think of 20 games that are in the same boat as arrowhead so to blame them for these mistakes isn't quite fair when every game is making them
I think it would be really cool if the DSS would just be that you can like put a special pin on the map and it would put the barrage there and when you specifically pin something (by clicking q) it would send an orbital strike on it. This would be really damn cool.
I think ...this is all a bit too dramatic. We are ( im guessing) all grown men here. Its a video game that isnt perfect. Thats about as much as i expect from it.
And im jealous of a kid playing this game. I bet its really awesome for them.
This is what I expected to happen. They already messed up 3 times with their game. They never learn from their mistakes.
They just can't seem to get this right.
they learn super slowly
This is also what I expected to happen, people cried for buffs because it was too hard, now the game is ridiculously easy and we don't have any newer content yet people are gonna keep complaining
@@JFK47x
The problem is there being 10 difficulties, but like only 4 that actually matter with the differences between them being proportional to a 10 difficulty system. Half of the difficulty settings are immediately blocked by not dropping super samples and because of how the upgrade system works anything below 7 is a yawnfest after you get every upgrade.
@gabrielc7861 Yeah I agree the inconsistencies with the difficulty really need some attuning
I don’t think any of the recent criticisms are invalid, but I think if they just gave us more toys to play with like different guns and boosters it would take a lot of the pressure off of AHS when big things flop like the DSS. The return on investment of time put in from the players for what we got just wasn’t enough. I think it’s time to break the glass on the Illuminate.
The DSS needed unique stratagems which is what I was expecting.
What new toys? A warbond doesn't help much, and isn't really much new content.
@@justacomedianYou just watched too many content creators hype it up like it was gonna be a clan station, and have huge 10,000kg bombs when none of those leaks were actually confirmed.
I really can't handle the doom posting anymore. Enjoy the game or stop playing it ngl
The single biggest complaint I have about AH, is that they seem to do a lot of things without really testing it before they release it. We spent the better part of two months worth of MO working on attaining the DSS, but the orbital bombardment felt like they literally just sent it without testing it, the Eagle Straff didn't even trigger initially for a couple hours into it, and the information on just what the 3rd one did was so vague we had no idea what it did until...it was active. So much of the DSS just feels like they were dangling a carrot in front of us for two months without really putting any thought/work into what it would actually do once we did attain it in game.
I just realized I look forward to your reports more than I look forward to the HD2 patches. Is that bad?
All I know is it will be fixed, im not gonna get mad and say the game is trash and all that bruh
this is why my steam rweview will stay negative. Allways the same cycle
It's insane that no one in Arrowhead realized that bombing the location of a helldiver and not 100-200 metres away was a good plan. Specially with no marked areas information to be sent to the Helldiver's Visor to see the danger areas or limits of places being nuked... How no one checked this on a private server, as it would have taken just 1 helldiver's dive to find out how big of a F Up it was, just 1 dive... So I don't understand this self-sabotage they are doing. The DSS took a bit over 2 months to construct, and It should have been in the devs talks and planning maybe 2-3 months before we started building it.
So how did the DSS development had no common sense or oversight is beyond reason... It looks like Beavis and Butthead designed the DSS, and then having a laugh at how they would nuke their own helldivers into Submission... Or if we want to do a Conspiracy theory, maybe this was engineered by Sony as payback for the pushback the PC gamers did on their game for not wanting to subscribe to their platform... and they hacked arrowhead and modified the DSS to target players(beautiful silly theory lol)...
The revenge of the "Evil Regime" of game Consoles...
Man, had to unsub, your clickbait title just to stir up controversy is just too much already. It just puts too much unnecessary negativity on this game.
I really want for them to implement that "platoon" feature so I can team up with divers that I know who are part of a tight nit group. I'm kind of tired of playing with randoms most of the time only for them to leave and I never see any of them again. I do have players in my friends list but oftentimes their group is either full or they're simply offline depending on the hours of the day that I play.
IMO, Helldivers 2 is a great 🎮. I'm a lvl. 130 elite diver. But even more, I'm a 38yrs. gamer and there's no game that's perfect. Everyone calm down. Great job AH. Keep up the good work 👏 🙌 👍
can everyone stop whining thanks
The DSS is overall a good thing I think. It's just that there was ao much hype and potentially for it that most people didn't expect it to be implemented this way. It's definitely a bit tiresome to have to keep waiting for AH to tweak their past updates and fall behind on new content.
However, I'm personally not sure what they could do besides just go one or two extra miles further than they think they have to in order to release great stuff
I get the game engine is terrible and their working on old code but they should test their stuff before releaseing it, even if it takes longer ill rather wait than it not working
It's ironic, I'm currently writing a paper in college about how we as a society need to take time to look at our past and use that information to influence our future. Now, I can see that very need in my favorite game. Not gonna lie it does hurt, but I'm committed to HD2, the foundation of the game is one of the best in my opinion, but we are seeing how the foundation only makes a portion of the gaming experience. Now we want to see how good they are at taking a great game and making it even better, with more creative and player-loved ideas. I sincerely hope that the devs can bring this back and that this great community can hold on in these times of doubt.
I feel like that the person or team calling the shots when it comes to game design and game direction need to go and change.
Whatever the vision and concept of this game director is, it does not match with the overall majority of players cos it seems that every major installment has to be rolled back or adjusted.
The time and resources that have been spend on reworking stuff should have been used to create new and silly content.
I feel like Arrowhead is that kid that you tell a million times to stop touching the stove, and somehow, they still find different ways to burn themselves.
Leftenant Buzz hit the nail on the head, this formula AH is using a strategy similar to weaponized incompetence where gamers will not be able to demand what is to be expected of a very succesful AAA studio. This "release, oh its shit let us fix, fix, repeat" has made the new content release be a drag, new content is "goodish" but we can all see the warbonds are being filled with fodder to not develop more stratagems or weapons.
They are on the thin line and its about to break for good.
i love helldivers since the first game but i am done playing with this game... for now
As a fellow game dev for a indie game i understand that it is not easy for AH but they make constant bad decisions and DON'T LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES, i truly don't want to see this game die but if they don't TEST and FIX stuff before release they will destroy their reputatuion and their game
The DSS took such a long time just to be mediocre at best and for it to get "better/updated" later
People are still butthurt that they didn't read.
It literally said NONSTOP ORBITAL BARRAGE, and that's exactly what we got.
"Oh, but it should have come with an indicator of where the shells are going to land."
You mean like the default 380mm shells? Oh, wait, they don't give you any warning either.
"But you know where the normal 380's are gonna be because of the beacon!"
Yes, and you knew where the DSS barrage was going to be because it was planetwide.
"Well, it needs breaks between volleys."
Yes, because NONSTOP definitely means it's going to periodically stop.
is that dev known for fubaring up other games still the main balance dev in HD2? If so... we have our answer.
As a lvl 115 i have no reason to come back or even trust Arrowhead. For the last few months they've just been wasting my time.
People say the weapons upgrade was good. But its abhorrent it even got so bad.
Now again we get lies over lies with work that makes them seem like they are actively working in negatives. The dss is nothing but a menu we had to grind for.
All the extra bs makes it so i might play once in a while but Arrowhead and thier ways have put me off.
You are not being harsh enough. HD2 does not deserve any of the awards its been nominated in. AH has clearly not learned anything from all the feedback we gave em and keep giving em.
They don't need to make it do too much, just:
1. A free stratagem that we vote on what should be (chosing between 3-5 different and the one with the most votes is free for all to use for 24 hours while another is availiable for voting)
2. Hinder enemy influence (making it easier to liberate and defend planets). aka. permanent
3. Upgrades, we vote on what to build next and donate samples and req to build it, it will add a permanent bonus to the DSS, it could be faster cooldown to certain strategems, +1 to certain eagle stratagems, more reinforcements, a free OPS kinda strat on DSS planet, have certain POIs revealed on deployment (such as SEAF artillery sites, stalker lairs, radar stations) even be new weaponry for everyone, some things should only work on the DSS planet while fx. new weaponry is global.
4. POSSIBLE "social hub" where you can at the least be with your current squad (instead of your super destroyer).
It needs to be a "mobile guild HQ mega destroyer base" kinda thing that we upgrade and gives us a major edge on the planet it's at.
Also, REMOVE its planetary bombardment, that's a teamkiller.
What failure? The DSS is great. You're just hatebaiting.
for me if they rework the DSS, when ping a objective, continuous orbital barrage will be strike until all the factories and main objective are cleared. second buff would be helldivers unlock massive buff for heavy armor, like double the padding from 150 to 300, increase another 25% reduction damage, stamina recovery to 100, and speed 500. Last buff would be when you throw a eagle strike, instead of one eagle, it will be five eagle aircrafts grouping like a V shape that bombard the area with unlimited used. this massive eagle strike would just work like a eagle strafe with a fair safe distance for the diver.
Let's be honest... Helldivers 2 is dying because Sony has lost the plot.
If they, at least, let us pick an extra stratagem in the planet where the DSS is deployed I believe there would have been less backlash with how luckluster the DSS is and the frekin huge cooldowns after we spent all those samples...
Honestly, I've been able to dodge most of the issues just by not playing the game when it's bad. I know this is many peoples "game" that they play every day, but perhaps having a few different things to play can help take out the sting.
Am I the only one still happy with the game?
The DSS killing divers is hilarious. It fits the universe. It's a cheap game, just play.
it wasnt a failure, it was a disappointment, it was more or less just a feature being turned on, I get they have been working on other things for future content drops but it still feels just a tad lazy, then again I have to admit It was the community that decided beforehand that we were getting a massive content drop. The DSS is something that, as far as I understand, will gain features over time, as they've have apparantly intended, still cant help but feel a little disappointed but it is what it is, I'll give AH the benefit of the doubt, afterall as long as I have my homies to play with I'll keep diving, its still fun afterall imo
They should change the orbital bombardment on the DSS to be orbital railcannon strikes. That way it’s easily telegraphed because it’s laser guided to the highest priority target in the area. They could even make it so it does one strike every 30 seconds or something that way it’s not too overpowered.
I feel like the question comes down to: How many divers will be left when they get it together? I'm displeased with the DSS, same as everyone. But I think it's functions CAN be used to make the game more fun. That said, the democracy system for placing it is flawed, the timers are way too long, and they would do well to use it as a vehicle for adding features. DSS specific boosters you can invest samps to research, or strategems tied to where it is. They give us "research facilities" all over, but half the time all they deliver is bad news. Let us pinpoint the origin planet if the jet brigade, if nothing else, using a resource pool through the DSS.
Slow news day buzz?
I feel like most are over reacting the moment it didn't do exactly what they wanted. I've been having fun with the dss and I'll live cause the employees on this fictional base are brand new cut em some slack
Fr all I see is complaining
Right now I think the issue is actually in the prototyping process and the QA process. Issue in prototyping is the question of asking user Impact when implementing systems to see if it is beneficial or frustrating to the users with how a system is going to work. Then the QA team needs to have a user focus in their process to push back on designs that have that 'half-baked' sense to them. This is going to be a learned behavior thing as most training for software development doesn't push those mindsets but are the success points for live service games. Arrowhead has thus far done better than some pretty major studios for keeping those things insight at least with a public apology and a promise to do better. I've seen other studios just doubledown on the bad decision making and continue to push until they get some sort of success.
I'll give them credit for attempting to course correct and just end up running in a circle.
I think honestly the biggest issue with the DSS is just how creatively bankrupt it is. The abilities are pre-existing stratagems, the concept is form star wars, and the model is literally just the model of a resupply station over mars.
I've decided to quit Helldivers. Too many second chances, hope yall have fun.
bye hater we wont miss you
@@gamerbeast3616 the only hater here is you
@@WatcherFromDeep He is like 12 years old, fan-girling over his favorite game. She is so blindly in love with the game, she cant see the red flags. Im also guessing they are pretty new to the game and at a low level, and have not been through the roller coaster of updates, and updates on updates, a lot of us have.
I felt like the DSS was the same mechanics as when you're off the map for for 10 seconds. The staffing run though seemed solid. Rather than being random why not just allow all divers to get a strategem for unlimited bombardments or straffing runs for a period of time when the DSS is above. Give us the control or at least mark the ground with a red strat marker that something is about to come in.
There are so many things that could've easily made the DSS much more worth the grind. The planetary effect of taking away a defense campaign and giving the passive of hellpod optimization... should be standard and not something you should have to activate. It is supposed to provide spacial superiority... it should help provide a boost to liberate. Those three things should just be a passive when the station is in orbit without us having to do anything other than vote where it goes. Hell pay in to have constant eagle strikes like we do now that is supposed to be decent (I haven't played with the DSS active yet just seen videos like this) have particular stratagems that we call in or can buy using the requisition slips and samples to use but then be allowed to call them in when we actually need them and when we can avoid any mishaps if needed.
DSS or orbit could have other interesting passives, like jamming enemy automatons and affecting acurracy and detection distance. Improved call in time for stratagems, EXTRA eagle runs. Reduce Orbital cooldowns.
There ate lots of options to play with
Would be nice if the planetary bombardment was a strike that could be ordered via the map. You get whatever…say 3-5 uses during a mission and it’s an orbital barrage but much faster firing and wider spread. The eagle storm is perfect, doesn’t even need to be tweaked in my opinion. The planetary barrage at least needs to have some self targeting. It should target groups like the eagle storm strikes and maybe even give warning of a targeted area several seconds before commencing. I hope that we get more abilities tied to the DSS in the future. Overall it’s a win for AH imo. It just needs some tweaking.
This game is all but dead to me
we really dindt ask
@@gamerbeast3616 Did you watch the video? He literally did ask.
For those on the Bot Front:
Look to the Left Flank. All low Planetary Regen Rates. Control would allow for FTL Lines up the whole left flank. The Right Flank appears to have some low regen rates as well. Instead of going into the center, surrounded by enemy attack vectors we could take the flanks and set the Bot inside a large Pincer Move. We, as a community, don't seem to know, understand, or appreciate the Planetary Regen Rates and the effects on our efforts. However: This info REQUIRES a 3rd Party Site at this time, should be IN the game. So no wonder most aren't aware.
Bwahahah, we've managed to screw up with Mastia, now again with Gaellivare/Imber not closing it fast enough. Same goes for Acamar IV in the previous GO. LOL'd sooo much, ppl closing planets with 4.14% instead of 2%? Seeeriously? AH in the text of orders really lol'd at us in the debrief
i havent played HD 2 since shortly after the big update that "fixed the weapon balacne" the big update to save the game. i solo play and it seemed that they did nothing in that update to address the chaff spawn and high numbers of enemies that flank solo players from all sides, even spawning right below the player. add that the enemies got more accurate AND we take more limb damage to 'compensate' for the headshot damage decrease... solo play feels left by the wayside. i turned this video on on a whim to see if anythings changed... dissapointing (though not surprising) that it seems shit is still shit. broken buggy and rejected by the players who want to see the game they got months ago. ive been stuck on Difficulty 5 since the Patrol Spawn issue days, when everyone dealt with the same speed at which patrols appeared. i dont do multiplayer so im S.O.L (seems rather shit to have randoms just have to deal with the possibility my shit internet could give out at any time, id rather just solo games.) Shame i bought a game that says 1-4 players when the dev team seems adamant that solo players get screwed more with every update.
So you have shitty Internet now that's a problem with the game? It's quite obvious this is a multiplayer co-op game, not a solo one. If you're stuck on difficulty 5 I'm sorry to say that's obviously a you problem, even difficulty 10 is trivial now
How to fix orbital bombardment to not screw players. Keep the stat boost, make it a single 380 bombardment that targets a random enemy nest or outpost upon mission start. Boom a whole enemy nest or outpost you don't have to worry about clearing or generating patrols, and you didn't even have to use a strategem on it
We lose territory faster in 24 hours than liberating a planet in 3 days. Liberated the same planet 30+ times, only to lose it again in 1 day, for the 50th time. Looking at the galaxy map looks overwhelming, because we have no progress, ever.
I think a good idea for the DSS would have been unique strategems you could purchase for missions. IE, pay 10000 req slips to be able to have access to an Orbital Precision Mini Nuke or a Rail cannon Barrage for that mission only. Something OP but can only be accessed with the DSS overhead and enough Req slips. Use it too much and you'd quickly delete your slips to keep it balanced.