Great awareness video my friend we can always count on you to lead us in the right direction when it comes to choosing a secure quilty lock thanks for the video. 😎
@@Chirael My best guess is that this is purely a matter of drill resistance. The B60 has a hardened steel anti-drill insert in the plug, and being die-cast metal, it's easy to make the recess for the insert. I think the 560 comes with a plain brass plug, which is a tighter tolerance part and better in every way except for not having anti-drill protection. Best I can figure, the difference in grade is because of this. To get drill protection in a brass plug, I think you have to go the B600/700/800 series cylinders.
It's a crying shame how Schlage cut corners on their residential deadbolts by not only eliminating the ice pick protector, but making the plugs from a shitty pot metal(Instead of stainless steel)to save money.
Hi Jason. Thanks for taking the time to do this video. So much for the decision being shrouded in mystery. Chinesium is becoming more popular in locks. Why make it cheaper then price hikes. If it is for customers and not just cost cutting for profits. Thanks again for doing this video. Happy Friday ya all. See you tomorrow on the live. Yeah.
Thanks this was helpful. I'm shopping for new locks. So you would say the 560 is higher security vs the B60 despite the B60 being rated higher? I'm kinda new to the lock game. I was looking at a 600 but $$$
@@MarylandDevin none of the Schlage locks do to my knowledge but it comes with a better cylinder, shroud, and the higher security strike kit with longer screws
SE Lock and Key I'm a locksmith myself and have a issue with these locks especially when doing Sheriff Eviction. Very frustrating. These locks so far are drill proof not abling to drill out the 2 deadbolt screws from the front. Any suggestions on drill bits to drill through?
All the race to the bottom does is make me want to stop recommending Schlage for residential. There's less and less differentiating the Schlage residential from Kwikset, the keys and bottom pins used to be nickle silver, no more, the cylinders used to be brass and have tight tolerances, no more, you used to be able to swap a 6 pin cylinder into the deadbolts if you wanted to, no more, the 3" screws and beefy strike, gone, the shroud, gone. They've taken a good name and for less than a couple of dollars savings per lock basically removed almost all differentiation they had from the no-name junk.
Typical capitalist practice - they secure a good customer base by making a decent, affordable product, and then once they've gotten "brand loyalty" they start cutting corners to squeeze out more profits. Literally EVERY. SINGLE. COMPANY. I've ever had ANY interaction with AT ALL does this bullshit :/ Thanks, capitalism!
@@3nertia As opposed to the the socialist central planers that won't allow you to have a lock in the name of equity, even if they could managed get it manufactured by slave labor in china. Gotta allow all those squatters, home invaders, and shoplifters because of social justice. LOL!
You know how they are!!! "charge more while giving less", then brag about the "extra" they gave you... Have you ever heard the true story of the jar of 100 olives with only 99 in it?
Dam man and I thought that residential grade 1 B60 shroud was cheap comparing to commercial grade 2 shroud and now they decided to cut corner, I'm very upset too. I love having shroud against ice pick!
That would be a bit crazy to do unless it needed to be fire rated. I also suspect most distributors (actual locksmith distributors) would laugh at someone if they inquired about a 60 series with fire rating ;) If one needed fire rating a locksmith will sell them a much better product than the 60 series deadbolt. Side note, the "kits" with knob and deadbolt available at box stores finally made this switch as well as not sending the true security strike plates. Up until very recently the deadbolt had the shield and came with the thick backer plate and screws for the strike. Now, it is the same as this change.
I remember the days when the B160/B162's were a quality DB lock...even the A53PD was a quality residential option in an entry lock... Arrow had a decent more cost effective entry lock...that is up and until Schlage moved their production to Freaking MEXICO!!!!!...makes me want to puke
@@LongboatLtd2004 LOL...your right Franz...reckon i was having a bad hair day! However, Due to rising production costs and over regulation in the USA. American company's jumped ship and quality has suffered as a result.
That is 1/2 of the problem The other half is, having achieved the production cost reduction goal by moving to Mexico, why also remove proven features from the lock?, why the sale price of the unit does not go down?
Can you suggest a manufacturer that sells deadbolt locks that are 1.5 inch in diameter? They are so hard to find. I am trying to install this on an old fashion security door.
Jason, do you know of a double cylinder deadbolt that hides the screws unless you have a key? My friend said Arrow makes one. Reason is a customer wants to keep a door closed so either side cannot enter from either way, yet not be able to unscrew the lock. My excoworker suggested a dbl. cyl. Arrow DB. Do you have any other suggestions?
Blame the big box retailers. They are the ones selling their garbage “home brand” products forcing companies to produce junk to remain competitive. At least schlage still offers good quality locks with their commercial lines. You don’t see home depot offering a better product.
This is fucking bullshit! The whole reason I wanted this lock in the first place is because of the price and the "Grade 1" rating which it shouldn't fucking have now since they REFUSE to include the fucking anti-pick shield anymore! 🤬
Great awareness video my friend we can always count on you to lead us in the right direction when it comes to choosing a secure quilty lock thanks for the video. 😎
What's sick, is someone got a bonus from this change. Great reason to upgrade security conscious customers to 560. Thanks Jason
And yet, the B60 is grade 1 but the 560 is grade 2? 🤦♂️
@@Chirael My best guess is that this is purely a matter of drill resistance. The B60 has a hardened steel anti-drill insert in the plug, and being die-cast metal, it's easy to make the recess for the insert. I think the 560 comes with a plain brass plug, which is a tighter tolerance part and better in every way except for not having anti-drill protection. Best I can figure, the difference in grade is because of this.
To get drill protection in a brass plug, I think you have to go the B600/700/800 series cylinders.
Thanks for the heads up!
Sale of ICE PICKS just sky rocketed
Hope all is well Jason
This is what comes of Allegion trying to make their purchase of Falcon worthwhile.
It's a crying shame how Schlage cut corners on their residential deadbolts by not only eliminating the ice pick protector, but making the plugs from a shitty pot metal(Instead of stainless steel)to save money.
Schlage has never been stainless for any cylinder parts.
RIP old B60
and B160 (at least for me...)
I'm very disappointed that Schlage got rid of the shrouds on the B60 deadbolts.
Thanks for the update. That shroud was the only reason I purchased Schlage locks.
Hi Jason.
Thanks for taking the time to do this video.
So much for the decision being shrouded in mystery.
Chinesium is becoming more popular in locks.
Why make it cheaper then price hikes.
If it is for customers and not just cost cutting for profits.
Thanks again for doing this video.
Happy Friday ya all.
See you tomorrow on the live. Yeah.
"Shrouded in mystery."
Seriously?
That's a big downgrade in security, good job Schlage
Thanks this was helpful. I'm shopping for new locks. So you would say the 560 is higher security vs the B60 despite the B60 being rated higher? I'm kinda new to the lock game. I was looking at a 600 but $$$
560 series would be a better choice nowadays for not much more $$
@@selock Thank you! Does the 560 come standard with security pins?
@@MarylandDevin none of the Schlage locks do to my knowledge but it comes with a better cylinder, shroud, and the higher security strike kit with longer screws
So one would expect the price to come down now its missing a bit
SE Lock and Key I'm a locksmith myself and have a issue with these locks especially when doing Sheriff Eviction. Very frustrating. These locks so far are drill proof not abling to drill out the 2 deadbolt screws from the front. Any suggestions on drill bits to drill through?
Get the SC1 Lishi, it has been my favorite for easiest to use. I start with it on all Schlage now
@@selock Yeah I can usually get 3 out of 5 pins its usually 1-3 in that order and the forth and fifth pin just don't buge lol just my luck
Try non destructive entry lol, I haven't had to destroy a working schlage b60 deadbolt for entry in YEARS. Practice picking and bypassing
Some pencil pusher took an eraser to a blueprint to save a Chinese Yuan.
💯
How do you even stick an ice pick inside the lock once it's fully installed?
🤣
All the race to the bottom does is make me want to stop recommending Schlage for residential. There's less and less differentiating the Schlage residential from Kwikset, the keys and bottom pins used to be nickle silver, no more, the cylinders used to be brass and have tight tolerances, no more, you used to be able to swap a 6 pin cylinder into the deadbolts if you wanted to, no more, the 3" screws and beefy strike, gone, the shroud, gone. They've taken a good name and for less than a couple of dollars savings per lock basically removed almost all differentiation they had from the no-name junk.
Typical capitalist practice - they secure a good customer base by making a decent, affordable product, and then once they've gotten "brand loyalty" they start cutting corners to squeeze out more profits. Literally EVERY. SINGLE. COMPANY. I've ever had ANY interaction with AT ALL does this bullshit :/
Thanks, capitalism!
@@3nertia As opposed to the the socialist central planers that won't allow you to have a lock in the name of equity, even if they could managed get it manufactured by slave labor in china. Gotta allow all those squatters, home invaders, and shoplifters because of social justice. LOL!
I'm glad my SCHLAGE has 2 anti pick locks. A German Shepard and a 12 ga. short barrel shotgun.🤷♂️
You know how they are!!! "charge more while giving less", then brag about the "extra" they gave you...
Have you ever heard the true story of the jar of 100 olives with only 99 in it?
hmm can't say I have heard that story
Dam man and I thought that residential grade 1 B60 shroud was cheap comparing to commercial grade 2 shroud and now they decided to cut corner, I'm very upset too. I love having shroud against ice pick!
I sell these damn things AND I WILL NEVER SUGGEST ONE TO A HOME OWNER!!!!!
The new design resembles the old Weslock deadbolt.
It does kinda! I’ve always hated those things
Did they lower the grading on the new version??
I dunno, but likely not :/
Is that not heartbreaking,@@selock?
Check out the B60F, its the fire rated product and should still have the pick shield.
That would be a bit crazy to do unless it needed to be fire rated. I also suspect most distributors (actual locksmith distributors) would laugh at someone if they inquired about a 60 series with fire rating ;)
If one needed fire rating a locksmith will sell them a much better product than the 60 series deadbolt.
Side note, the "kits" with knob and deadbolt available at box stores finally made this switch as well as not sending the true security strike plates. Up until very recently the deadbolt had the shield and came with the thick backer plate and screws for the strike. Now, it is the same as this change.
Yeah you hit the nail on the head they making cheaper and they make it more expensive👍
They're definitely going with the "Less is more" concept... Disappointing.
I remember the days when the B160/B162's were a quality DB lock...even the A53PD was a quality residential option in an entry lock... Arrow had a decent more cost effective entry lock...that is up and until Schlage moved their production to Freaking MEXICO!!!!!...makes me want to puke
i like the 160/162 deadbolts. they look nice (in my opinion)
@@LongboatLtd2004 LOL...your right Franz...reckon i was having a bad hair day!
However, Due to rising production costs and over regulation in the USA.
American company's jumped ship and quality has suffered as a result.
That is 1/2 of the problem The other half is, having achieved the production cost reduction goal by moving to Mexico, why also remove proven features from the lock?, why the sale price of the unit does not go down?
Can you suggest a manufacturer that sells deadbolt locks that are 1.5 inch in diameter? They are so hard to find. I am trying to install this on an old fashion security door.
Jason, do you know of a double cylinder deadbolt that hides the screws unless you have a key? My friend said Arrow makes one. Reason is a customer wants to keep a door closed so either side cannot enter from either way, yet not be able to unscrew the lock. My excoworker suggested a dbl. cyl. Arrow DB. Do you have any other suggestions?
yep the arrow and the Yale have concealed (Sargent, Arrow, Yale are all the same lock)
BALDWIN estate twin cylinders hide the connecting screws as well...
good to know
Blame the big box retailers.
They are the ones selling their garbage “home brand” products forcing companies to produce junk to remain competitive.
At least schlage still offers good quality locks with their commercial lines.
You don’t see home depot offering a better product.
This is fucking bullshit! The whole reason I wanted this lock in the first place is because of the price and the "Grade 1" rating which it shouldn't fucking have now since they REFUSE to include the fucking anti-pick shield anymore! 🤬
Ty
When they started selling zamak metal cores with these I knew it was time to change.
that was really depressing :(
Latest edition to the black market product list. Or maybe Schlage'll just invent a company who sells the shrouds to make money two ways.
Deadbolt 29.99
Shroud $47.98
Screw for shroud $12.95
Schlage Brand Tap $345.79
Nobody:
Absolutely Nobody:
Schlage: It’s got more better security. 10 out of 10
Just wait until you buy a new iphone and don't get a charger in the box...
ha! I’ve been following that hoopla on the tech channels 😂
I just bought a B62N thinking it would come with brass cylinders and a pick guard. They didn't even change the freaking part number. I feel cheated.
I saw this on Twitter. Cutting cost most times cuts quality and/or usability. Shame.
So to get a decent Schlage deadbolt you have to buy a commercial version. What next? Using the F cylinder inside their home deadbolts?
And of course the 560 uses zinc, not brass for the outer housing. You have to go up to the 660 if you want brass.
They switched the cylinders to zinc in the 560??? I haven’t ordered any lately 🙄
The outer housing the actual kik cylinder fits into. Thankfully the cylinder itself is still brass.
Ahh Dammit!
More money for less security sounds like a win for Schlage. :/
JUNQUE
Garbage, might as well install a kwikset. Time to check out other brands.