I don´t really get your point. I would like to point out that, statistically speaking, it is not unusual for university graduates to include people with below-average cognitive abilities. Furthermore, universities often promote certain fields of knowledge and often there are people with aptitudes in certain areas and corresponding weaknesses in others. As long as people sincerely try to educate themselves and think critically, we are fine. Then people are allowed to be idiots and if you should continue to choose to do so, you are allowed to call them so. We are very limited and primitive creatures who can't just magically increase the capabilities of our brains. I would also like to point out that calling another human being an idiot can be harmful and simply adds no value.
Владимир Борисович, добрый день! У меня есть аккаунты на личесс и чесс ком с рейтингом около 2800, этот рейтинг я набрал с помощью движка. Скажите, поможет ли анализ моих игр (а аккаунты мои не забанены до сих пор за два года) в борьбе с читерством на платформах?
@@sc3726-w2g с таким педантизмом мало чего добьётесь) "нести наказание" за игры в Тырнетах никто не будет, а тут человек предложил помощь, его кейс может быть максимально полезным, хотя бы с точки зрения "читеров нет"
To me its very clear that those winning streaks are completely impossible, unless someone faces people from a much lower level. And even in that case theres human error.
Владимир Борисович, при всем уважении к Вам и к тому что Вы делаете. *** Перед выявлением статистических аномалий необходимо четко понимать, каким может быть нормальное отклонение (норма). Кто точно читер, а кто точно не читер. Условно, если Вы ищите аномально большие помидоры (такие чтобы привезти на сельхоз выставку), Вы должны сказать, что нормальными являются помидоры от 200 до 400 грамм, а больше -- это уже большие. Иными словами, без понимания "что" искать, Вы не сможете понять, "что" искать. Аналогично с результатами шахматистов. Например, игрок с 2400 не может выиграть больше 2 партий из 20 против игрока с 2700. И это норма. И это нужно всегда проговаривать. Аномалии кажутся самоочевидными, но это, к сожалению, не так. Норма легко может смещаться. Применительно к тем же помидорам - норма может смещаться от сорта (помидоры черри всегда маленькие, они не могут быть больше 100 грамм, 100 грамм - это аномально большие), от погоды (в какой-то год 150-300 грамм нормальные, а 300 уже большие). Та же проблема в части поиска аномалий у шахматистов. Каково там нормальное распределение результатов? Многие сильные шахматисты могли резко приваливаться, некоторые слабые проводить выдающиеся турниры. Если посмотреть на результаты Иванчука, то он без сомнения читер, потому что разброс в этих результатах колоссальный. Например, 2016 Чемпионат Мира Рапид -- 11/15, победа над Магнусом и первое место. 2017 Чемпионат Мира Рапид -- 6,5/15, даже не полтинник. У Вас положительный счет в классику с Каспаровым. У Каспарова положительный с Анандом. Соответственно, Ананд в матчах с Вами должен был читерить. Я очень утрирую, и тем не менее; норма не всегда самоочевидна. *** Моя главная мысль в том, что доказать читинг статистикой по результатам невозможно. Очень маленькая выборка. Чтобы найти норму нужны огромные массивы данных (десятки и сотни тысяч результативных партий); необходимо указать все возможные факторы, которые могут повлиять на результат (новый дебют; новый тренер; родители или дети болеют и т.д.). Это в случае шахмат невозможно в принципе. То есть проблема не в Вас. Что бы Вы не делали, доказать статистически не получится. Я работаю/л в смежной с дата анализом сфере (занимаюсь анализом естественных языков). *** Тем не менее, принципиально возможность найти читеров есть. Если кратко. Все дело в том, что шахматы -- это не набор случайных дискретных данных (набор случайных ходов по движку). Чтобы побеждать, нужно понимать как играть в шахматы. Причем, невозможно понимать и не понимать одновременно. Не может человек, который один раз выучил позицию Филидора, в 50 процентах партий ставить короля перед пешкой, а в 50 не ставить. Нужно и приходится искать грубые позиционные ошибки. Не зевки, а ошибки. Иными словами, случай с Гальченко, когда у человека проблемы с пониманием базовых вещей, но потом он вдруг играет, как Ананд в лучшие годы, он и доказывает читерство. У каждого шахматиста есть определенный алгоритм анализа позиции, когда этот алгоритм сильно плавает (тут понимаю -- тут не понимаю), шахматисту помогает движок. Вы же за доской понимаете читер человек или нет; и смотрите Вы не на статистику, а на игру. *** Удачи Вам, и доброго здоровья. Берегите себя
В 11/15 нет ничего аномального для сильного игрока, такое происходит постоянно. Про треугольник Каспаров, Крамник, Ананд посыл так вообще на каких-то умственно отсталых рассчитан.
I am a mathematician too. I have no opinion in this argument I did not look at it at all however, what I find remarkable is how stupid the other side is arguing. Yes, maybe kramnik is wrong but then they should destroy his arguments and not just discredit him. Cram gives his best and he’s a true gentleman respect.
@@OdetoLRC again I have no opinion in this dispute. Kramnik is right good，Nakamura is right good. You said his arguments are refuted constantly but then when I ask you about a place where to find it, you can’t point me to a single source.
@@tombrady4977 its not about whether he is wrong or right. Most of the "analysis" he conducts and posts on social media is just data that he pulls from games and presents as an image. He is not conducting any statistical tests to prove cheating. I agree completely that the people should not refute arguments immediately, especially when they don't have any concrete evidence of their own either. Just becomes a game where both sides have no real evidence to show.
the problem is while all this is true the stupid person will never accept it nor try to improve while the intelligent person already understands it so must be frustrated realizing he will have no effect on the ignorant persons actions....
Проблема в том, что образование это конечно хорошо, согласен с Сократом, но в меру. Как говорил Николас Гомес Давила: образование не лечит глупость, оно её вооружает. Но вот если бы массово преподавали хотя бы логику (не диалектическую), было бы здорово.
Well done, Vladimir! Teach them some basics first. The basics of the life. I watched your podcast on UA-cam on the subjects of religion and the bible. That was so deep. So to me this sort of philosophy int he beginning makes sense.
Я снова разочарован. Он дал определение в терминах исследуемых данных, какую гипотезу он хочет протестировать? Нет. Говорит что-то про вероятность того или иного перформанса, а модель распределения, согласно которой оценивается вероятность, зафиксирована? Я нигде на этом канале и на канале Левитова не услышал нормального объяснения. Слышал, намеки на то, что плаируется использовать нормальное распределение с параметрами, выводимыми из блиц-рейтинга чего-то (чесскома или фиде, тут показания от видоса к видосу меняются), но этот подход не выдерживает критики. А главное, предложение банить просто за "перформанс, вероятность которого низка". Это большее зло, чем признать, что онлайн турниры нельзя на основе одной лишь статистики сделать честными и иметь к ним соответствующее отношение.
Kramnik is absolutely correct about the importance of education. But he obviously means the good, old classical education which virtually is not provided in the West. Young people are not taught critical thinking and logic and its done on purpose because large swaths of indoctrination (they call it "education") can not be critiqued without being cancelled or attacked. The classical education has been replaced by the Left leaning, "progressive", political and social dogmatism. The humanities and disciplines like psychology and even law are either dead or dying out. This pathogen is already encroaching into exact sciences as almost every university department has to swear allegiance to the new religion of the DEI and similar destructive dogmas. I can provide a lot of evidence but the most glaring and current proof are in those pro-"Palestinian" riots on campuses. If kids were taught logic, real history and critical thinking, the students would not be so dogmatically on the side of Hamas, Hezbollah and other terror groups. They are so transparently brainwashed, ignorant and morally twisted (this includes the whole generation of their professors as well) that it takes my breath away. If they were out there for the reasons of human concern and not hatred, they would be out for the victims of many other wars (Ethiopia, Sudan, Syria, Ukraine, Chad, Libya or human rights abuses by North Korea or Iran) but they don't care about any of them. They are "educated" in America's best schools...Schools produce Maoist-style activists. Good luck to all of us.
I have to agree with you. Modern Society's institutions are literally eroding away and we are headed for a scary future. Its like we are fighting the communists, antisemites and religious extremist terrorists all over again but this time all at once. These protesters are literally calling for World War and siding with those against freedom for all races, religions, genders and orientations. And half of them probably don't even realize it. Justifying terrorism! I can't believe its real. Its not just the Commie professors in the schools, this is 30 years of indoctrination by anti western propaganda online, which the West has never engaged in, and these kids have been literally raised by it.
We are fighting the communists, antisemites, and religious extremist terrorists all over again but this time all at once and its scary because they have the loudest voice all over the internet for the past 30 years. Its not just the eroding institutions, its the constant anti western propaganda online that these kids have grown up with all their lives. Hillary Clinton once said we must engage online like other nations because we are losing the propaganda war. The Protesters are not peaceful I agree, and my comment was previously hidden, but they are calling for the destruction of Israel which in essence is a call for World War III against freedom and equality for all religions, races genders and orientations in that land. And these kids don't even realize it. Israel must adhere to the 67 borders and remove the settlers when this is all over and new government is installed. And the world must stop justifying terrorism and instigating the Palestinians to keep attacking. Iraquis never became terrorists against us, THe Germans even with 50,000 troops there. THe Japanese after we dropped multiple atomic bombs on them. We must stop leading Palestinians into destruction and tell them to embrace the Modern world and not become part of agendas that prefer war. That is selfish and my heart breaks for the Palestinian women and children.
They are being brainwashed on two fronts. By the communists, antisemites, and religious extremist terrorists that have dominated social media online for almost 30 years. Which the West has never taken seriously or even engaged with while these kids have grown up their whole lives getting fed one view. And on the other front I guess the conservatives were right all these years about the colleges and professors. I was in denial myself. These kids are basically calling for WWIII while calling themselves peaceful, and half of them don't even realize it.
Проблема с читингом приобрела нерешаемый характер. Даже в живых турнирах могут передавать незаметные сигналы через зрителей, что уж говорить об онлайн-формате. Поймают читера, а он в следующий раз будет играть по второй линии или по устаревшей программе чтобы не засветиться.
For titled Tuesdays I think there is a simple solution - whoever wants to play, has to either stream or be on Zoom, that is, visible to all the opponents and with a clear view of their desk, laptop etc. Of course, there is a way to cheat there as well, but at least it significantly decreases the possibility and also some people who actually cheat will be to lazy to bother to evade this extra scrutiny by hiding devices from the camera etc.
It's very obvious how this can be done. You see, this is a regional team that replaced its players with players from the first division... On loan of course.
Владимир Борисович, смотрю и Вас и Хикару. Мне кажется он имеет такие стрики благодаря своей скорости мышления. Хотя чисто математически они выглядят подозрительно. Как вы предлагаете его проверить фактически?
@user-hj7sb8oq7e this is the common streaming community's argument against kramniks suspicions, and its ridiculous. Especially considering the fact everybody plays online or when comparing 3/1 vs 3/2 time controls. This is why the website can't get sponsors for tournaments, this is why 96% of active title players don't even play in online tournaments and why almost nobody who plays online even watches them as fans. It can't be taken seriously.
@OdetoLRC I remove it because it makes a negligible difference for every other top player who competes in tournaments online. The real variable you are in denial of is depends on who's a cheating streamer. That's the variable that makes an actual difference my friend.
@OdetoLRC I didn't change any subject. I'm pointing out how your logic only applies to the smurfing streamers and no one else. You do realize it's like a hundred top players in chess and all of them play online just as much as anybody else my friend right? Your in denial. People are not stupid and no one has to study any advanced statistics. 96% of active titled players don't even play in online tournaments for a reason. The million people playing online don't even watch them as fans. it's a joke that only children take seriously.
@@chrepuhon Дорогуша, не трясите ерундой. К чему вы приплели "важность", да ещё и " понимание". В наш век технологий любому ослу известно, что автоперевод с английского на русский достигается нажатием двух-трёх кнопок, как и то, что, очевидно, русский язык куда богаче и выразительнее английского, тем более, для русскоязычного Крамника.
I respect Vladimir a lot as a chess legend, and so far I have listened to many of his videos regarding cheating. However, and to my knowledge, His arguments still lack statistical credence. As a chess fan, I share his concerns over the genral topic of cheating in chess, but I believe he has important -and severe- flaws in his stat conclusions and methods.
The reality is that all these statistics etc can give you a result but if you look at each and every individual game and see the situation of that game, see why people blunder/how they find a tactic/how much more online games are played when compared to OTB chess/ number of opportunities for lower rated players to play OTB chess compared to online/ How obsolete the Fide rating system is as it doesn't reflect the players actual strength/ How rapdily young players improve nowadays compared to past/ The psychological pressure of facing Hikaru in a chess game online/ Actual missed opportunities by the players in complicated positions where they could have won by which the streaks of Hikaru could have never been achieved/ How much Titled Tuesdays Hikaru could have lost if the opponents found the correct moves under time pressure etc etc you will understand that these streaks of Hikaru could be possible and these OTB performances don't match online chess performances... If hundreds playing online are cheating then all those hundreds of people would have won Titled tuesday by now.. Yet it's always the same 5 to 10 players
@@cooloutac Why not?? If several players cheat in Titled tuesdays why haven't all of them won Titled Tuesday? And Mr Kramnik said in reply to another comment of mine in a older video that there are chess bots omline with which you can cheat easily even in bullet too... In that case all those cheaters should have won right... Instead only few win... Am I in serious denial or you in some serious delusion?? Simple logic should triump over statistics
@suryaparthiban2965 don't you think that would be a little too obvious? Come on.... are you really being serious? People cheat at all levels for various reasons.
@@cooloutac Well that's what Kramnik thinks... And why shouldn't all those cheaters won alternatively if they had cheated?? Mr Kramnik thinks Hikaru cheats in Bullet brawl by using the advanced bots available online... But I bet he hasn't seen any of the streams of Hikaru/ Danya or the other cheaters he accuses of... That's why I explained in the first part of that paragraph the various things about individual games rather seeing it as a whole and calculating statistics
@@suryaparthiban2965 IMO 3+1 online is not drastically different than 3+2 offline which is what I agree with Kramnik on. I also don't think it is is a coincidence that all the smurfing streamers overperform online and most other top players do not. IMO there is no question of if Hikaru and Danya cheat, there is only the question of how and Kramnik has not pretended to know how. As for "why" imo it is because the streaming corrupted them and they feel the need to keep up an image. Kramnik mentioned people can use browser addons because that is just one way possible. 96% of active titled players do not even play in line tournaments and most amateur players don't watch them as fans because it can't be taken seriously. Kramnik is trying to help change that and it is suspicious to be against him for it.
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I agree, education is a must! But I know many people who have masters degrees but are complete idiots.
I don´t really get your point. I would like to point out that, statistically speaking, it is not unusual for university graduates to include people with below-average cognitive abilities. Furthermore, universities often promote certain fields of knowledge and often there are people with aptitudes in certain areas and corresponding weaknesses in others. As long as people sincerely try to educate themselves and think critically, we are fine. Then people are allowed to be idiots and if you should continue to choose to do so, you are allowed to call them so. We are very limited and primitive creatures who can't just magically increase the capabilities of our brains. I would also like to point out that calling another human being an idiot can be harmful and simply adds no value.
Когда на русском языке будет видео?? Владимир Борисович , про нас тоже не забывайте
Владимир Борисович, добрый день!
У меня есть аккаунты на личесс и чесс ком с рейтингом около 2800, этот рейтинг я набрал с помощью движка.
Скажите, поможет ли анализ моих игр (а аккаунты мои не забанены до сих пор за два года) в борьбе с читерством на платформах?
Сначала вы должны понести наказание за читерство и пройти исправительные работы. Приходите со справкой
самый крутой коммент, который я видел; 2800 с компом? ты просто гений читерства, если тебя не поймали за 2 года
@@sc3726-w2g с таким педантизмом мало чего добьётесь) "нести наказание" за игры в Тырнетах никто не будет, а тут человек предложил помощь, его кейс может быть максимально полезным, хотя бы с точки зрения "читеров нет"
@@МатвейБондарь-ц1у или он и тут считерил, а на самом деле набрал 1800...
@@sc3726-w2g hahahah
Превью и названия значительно изменились в лучшую сторону, так держать! 🤝
To me its very clear that those winning streaks are completely impossible, unless someone faces people from a much lower level. And even in that case theres human error.
Is it actually impossible. You are saying there is no chance at all?
Владимир Борисович, при всем уважении к Вам и к тому что Вы делаете.
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Перед выявлением статистических аномалий необходимо четко понимать, каким может быть нормальное отклонение (норма). Кто точно читер, а кто точно не читер. Условно, если Вы ищите аномально большие помидоры (такие чтобы привезти на сельхоз выставку), Вы должны сказать, что нормальными являются помидоры от 200 до 400 грамм, а больше -- это уже большие. Иными словами, без понимания "что" искать, Вы не сможете понять, "что" искать. Аналогично с результатами шахматистов. Например, игрок с 2400 не может выиграть больше 2 партий из 20 против игрока с 2700. И это норма. И это нужно всегда проговаривать.
Аномалии кажутся самоочевидными, но это, к сожалению, не так. Норма легко может смещаться. Применительно к тем же помидорам - норма может смещаться от сорта (помидоры черри всегда маленькие, они не могут быть больше 100 грамм, 100 грамм - это аномально большие), от погоды (в какой-то год 150-300 грамм нормальные, а 300 уже большие). Та же проблема в части поиска аномалий у шахматистов. Каково там нормальное распределение результатов? Многие сильные шахматисты могли резко приваливаться, некоторые слабые проводить выдающиеся турниры. Если посмотреть на результаты Иванчука, то он без сомнения читер, потому что разброс в этих результатах колоссальный. Например, 2016 Чемпионат Мира Рапид -- 11/15, победа над Магнусом и первое место. 2017 Чемпионат Мира Рапид -- 6,5/15, даже не полтинник. У Вас положительный счет в классику с Каспаровым. У Каспарова положительный с Анандом. Соответственно, Ананд в матчах с Вами должен был читерить.
Я очень утрирую, и тем не менее; норма не всегда самоочевидна.
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Моя главная мысль в том, что доказать читинг статистикой по результатам невозможно. Очень маленькая выборка. Чтобы найти норму нужны огромные массивы данных (десятки и сотни тысяч результативных партий); необходимо указать все возможные факторы, которые могут повлиять на результат (новый дебют; новый тренер; родители или дети болеют и т.д.). Это в случае шахмат невозможно в принципе. То есть проблема не в Вас. Что бы Вы не делали, доказать статистически не получится.
Я работаю/л в смежной с дата анализом сфере (занимаюсь анализом естественных языков).
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Тем не менее, принципиально возможность найти читеров есть.
Если кратко. Все дело в том, что шахматы -- это не набор случайных дискретных данных (набор случайных ходов по движку). Чтобы побеждать, нужно понимать как играть в шахматы. Причем, невозможно понимать и не понимать одновременно. Не может человек, который один раз выучил позицию Филидора, в 50 процентах партий ставить короля перед пешкой, а в 50 не ставить. Нужно и приходится искать грубые позиционные ошибки. Не зевки, а ошибки.
Иными словами, случай с Гальченко, когда у человека проблемы с пониманием базовых вещей, но потом он вдруг играет, как Ананд в лучшие годы, он и доказывает читерство. У каждого шахматиста есть определенный алгоритм анализа позиции, когда этот алгоритм сильно плавает (тут понимаю -- тут не понимаю), шахматисту помогает движок.
Вы же за доской понимаете читер человек или нет; и смотрите Вы не на статистику, а на игру.
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Удачи Вам, и доброго здоровья. Берегите себя
В 11/15 нет ничего аномального для сильного игрока, такое происходит постоянно. Про треугольник Каспаров, Крамник, Ананд посыл так вообще на каких-то умственно отсталых рассчитан.
Я же там сказал, упрощаю специально, не рассказываю до мелочей. Что добавили,конечно,учитываю
Interesting video, thank you Vladimir.
I am a mathematician too. I have no opinion in this argument I did not look at it at all however, what I find remarkable is how stupid the other side is arguing. Yes, maybe kramnik is wrong but then they should destroy his arguments and not just discredit him. Cram gives his best and he’s a true gentleman respect.
@@OdetoLRC ok tell me where he is wrong. Happy to learn from you.
@@OdetoLRC again I have no opinion in this dispute. Kramnik is right good，Nakamura is right good. You said his arguments are refuted constantly but then when I ask you about a place where to find it, you can’t point me to a single source.
@@tombrady4977 its not about whether he is wrong or right. Most of the "analysis" he conducts and posts on social media is just data that he pulls from games and presents as an image. He is not conducting any statistical tests to prove cheating. I agree completely that the people should not refute arguments immediately, especially when they don't have any concrete evidence of their own either. Just becomes a game where both sides have no real evidence to show.
You are gorgeous, God be with you
Very happy again to have an autograph of this highly intelligent man.
Great thoughts, thank you
the problem is while all this is true the stupid person will never accept it nor try to improve while the intelligent person already understands it so must be frustrated realizing he will have no effect on the ignorant persons actions....
Тут еще главное в этом всем не стать вторым Мемцевым
В.Б. не играет дебют Эльшада
The example at the end is just brilliant! Nail in the coffin of Chesscom.
Проблема в том, что образование это конечно хорошо, согласен с Сократом, но в меру. Как говорил Николас Гомес Давила: образование не лечит глупость, оно её вооружает. Но вот если бы массово преподавали хотя бы логику (не диалектическую), было бы здорово.
Thank you, again, VK, from all real chess lovers.
One just has to love Mr Kramnik! Where does he find them The Dunning Kruger effect :) Angels and ministers of Grace defend us!
Владимир Борисович, в следующий раз добавьте ещё цитаты Джейсона Стетхема и Вина Дизеля! Они тоже много мудрых вещей говорят😂
Ох бля, какой же ты умный и саркастичный, только вот никакой своей мысли так и не высказал, попробуй ещё разок
10:40 the Dunning-Kruger effect failed to replicate though, it might be just a meme, like Froidian fenomena, not a real measurable effect
Not a meme but true, concept you cant prove
I have been waiting for this. Great stuff
Hello maestro Kramnik, much love ❤❤❤ from Italy
Well done, Vladimir! Teach them some basics first. The basics of the life. I watched your podcast on UA-cam on the subjects of religion and the bible. That was so deep. So to me this sort of philosophy int he beginning makes sense.
Very interesting statement from GM Wladimir Kramnik. Thanks a lot!
Let's do the procedure!
Martin Luther King Jr - Not the most credible source, I'm sorry to say!
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Я снова разочарован. Он дал определение в терминах исследуемых данных, какую гипотезу он хочет протестировать? Нет. Говорит что-то про вероятность того или иного перформанса, а модель распределения, согласно которой оценивается вероятность, зафиксирована? Я нигде на этом канале и на канале Левитова не услышал нормального объяснения. Слышал, намеки на то, что плаируется использовать нормальное распределение с параметрами, выводимыми из блиц-рейтинга чего-то (чесскома или фиде, тут показания от видоса к видосу меняются), но этот подход не выдерживает критики. А главное, предложение банить просто за "перформанс, вероятность которого низка". Это большее зло, чем признать, что онлайн турниры нельзя на основе одной лишь статистики сделать честными и иметь к ним соответствующее отношение.
Kramnik is absolutely correct about the importance of education. But he obviously means the good, old classical education which virtually is not provided in the West. Young people are not taught critical thinking and logic and its done on purpose because large swaths of indoctrination (they call it "education") can not be critiqued without being cancelled or attacked. The classical education has been replaced by the Left leaning, "progressive", political and social dogmatism. The humanities and disciplines like psychology and even law are either dead or dying out. This pathogen is already encroaching into exact sciences as almost every university department has to swear allegiance to the new religion of the DEI and similar destructive dogmas. I can provide a lot of evidence but the most glaring and current proof are in those pro-"Palestinian" riots on campuses. If kids were taught logic, real history and critical thinking, the students would not be so dogmatically on the side of Hamas, Hezbollah and other terror groups. They are so transparently brainwashed, ignorant and morally twisted (this includes the whole generation of their professors as well) that it takes my breath away. If they were out there for the reasons of human concern and not hatred, they would be out for the victims of many other wars (Ethiopia, Sudan, Syria, Ukraine, Chad, Libya or human rights abuses by North Korea or Iran) but they don't care about any of them. They are "educated" in America's best schools...Schools produce Maoist-style activists. Good luck to all of us.
I have to agree with you. Modern Society's institutions are literally eroding away and we are headed for a scary future. Its like we are fighting the communists, antisemites and religious extremist terrorists all over again but this time all at once. These protesters are literally calling for World War and siding with those against freedom for all races, religions, genders and orientations. And half of them probably don't even realize it. Justifying terrorism! I can't believe its real. Its not just the Commie professors in the schools, this is 30 years of indoctrination by anti western propaganda online, which the West has never engaged in, and these kids have been literally raised by it.
We are fighting the communists, antisemites, and religious extremist terrorists all over again but this time all at once and its scary because they have the loudest voice all over the internet for the past 30 years. Its not just the eroding institutions, its the constant anti western propaganda online that these kids have grown up with all their lives. Hillary Clinton once said we must engage online like other nations because we are losing the propaganda war. The Protesters are not peaceful I agree, and my comment was previously hidden, but they are calling for the destruction of Israel which in essence is a call for World War III against freedom and equality for all religions, races genders and orientations in that land. And these kids don't even realize it.
Israel must adhere to the 67 borders and remove the settlers when this is all over and new government is installed. And the world must stop justifying terrorism and instigating the Palestinians to keep attacking. Iraquis never became terrorists against us, THe Germans even with 50,000 troops there. THe Japanese after we dropped multiple atomic bombs on them. We must stop leading Palestinians into destruction and tell them to embrace the Modern world and not become part of agendas that prefer war. That is selfish and my heart breaks for the Palestinian women and children.
They are being brainwashed on two fronts. By the communists, antisemites, and religious extremist terrorists that have dominated social media online for almost 30 years. Which the West has never taken seriously or even engaged with while these kids have grown up their whole lives getting fed one view. And on the other front I guess the conservatives were right all these years about the colleges and professors. I was in denial myself. These kids are basically calling for WWIII while calling themselves peaceful, and half of them don't even realize it.
Руки прочь от Владимира Борисовича!!!!!
Like the Socrates quote
Крамник, наш вождь, нас рыцарь, наш богатырь
Проблема с читингом приобрела нерешаемый характер.
Даже в живых турнирах могут передавать незаметные сигналы через зрителей, что уж говорить об онлайн-формате. Поймают читера, а он в следующий раз будет играть по второй линии или по устаревшей программе чтобы не засветиться.
But what if Hikaru plays so much that such a huge winning streak becomes possible? I still have my reservations about that, but yeah..
For titled Tuesdays I think there is a simple solution - whoever wants to play, has to either stream or be on Zoom, that is, visible to all the opponents and with a clear view of their desk, laptop etc.
Of course, there is a way to cheat there as well, but at least it significantly decreases the possibility and also some people who actually cheat will be to lazy to bother to evade this extra scrutiny by hiding devices from the camera etc.
too much theory. this reminds me of elementary school... give us a method and examples
It's very obvious how this can be done. You see, this is a regional team that replaced its players with players from the first division... On loan of course.
Hey my favorite UA-camr :) but also my favorite chess player
Такой английский даже я понимаю
Отличный выпуск, я бы рекомендовал его к просмотру как первый и ознакомительный из всей серии про читинг
I love you bro
We support you, Владимир!
О превью заказали у профессионала?
Владимир Борисович, смотрю и Вас и Хикару. Мне кажется он имеет такие стрики благодаря своей скорости мышления. Хотя чисто математически они выглядят подозрительно. Как вы предлагаете его проверить фактически?
why doesn't he have similar performances in offline blitz?
@@cooloutac probably because mouse isn't used offline. This skill should not be underestimated
@user-hj7sb8oq7e this is the common streaming community's argument against kramniks suspicions, and its ridiculous. Especially considering the fact everybody plays online or when comparing 3/1 vs 3/2 time controls. This is why the website can't get sponsors for tournaments, this is why 96% of active title players don't even play in online tournaments and why almost nobody who plays online even watches them as fans. It can't be taken seriously.
@OdetoLRC I remove it because it makes a negligible difference for every other top player who competes in tournaments online. The real variable you are in denial of is depends on who's a cheating streamer. That's the variable that makes an actual difference my friend.
@OdetoLRC I didn't change any subject. I'm pointing out how your logic only applies to the smurfing streamers and no one else. You do realize it's like a hundred top players in chess and all of them play online just as much as anybody else my friend right? Your in denial. People are not stupid and no one has to study any advanced statistics. 96% of active titled players don't even play in online tournaments for a reason. The million people playing online don't even watch them as fans. it's a joke that only children take seriously.
Просто все последние видео не на русском языке. Как жаль...
Как жаль, что люди не понимают самый важный язык в мире в 21ом веке технологий
@@chrepuhon Дорогуша, не трясите ерундой. К чему вы приплели "важность", да ещё и " понимание". В наш век технологий любому ослу известно, что автоперевод с английского на русский достигается нажатием двух-трёх кнопок, как и то, что, очевидно, русский язык куда богаче и выразительнее английского, тем более, для русскоязычного Крамника.
@@chrepuhonне у всех есть свободное время что бы изучать "самый важный язык". Да и школьная программа оставляет желать лучшего...
@@Alkaso2могу перевести за небольшую денюшку :)
Будут и такие,но я один, а слушателей много разноязычных 🤷♂️
I respect Vladimir a lot as a chess legend, and so far I have listened to many of his videos regarding cheating. However, and to my knowledge, His arguments still lack statistical credence. As a chess fan, I share his concerns over the genral topic of cheating in chess, but I believe he has important -and severe- flaws in his stat conclusions and methods.
Yet another matgematical guru 🙂, please inform what exact flaws, because otherwise it is immoral to state such things I think
The reality is that all these statistics etc can give you a result but if you look at each and every individual game and see the situation of that game, see why people blunder/how they find a tactic/how much more online games are played when compared to OTB chess/ number of opportunities for lower rated players to play OTB chess compared to online/ How obsolete the Fide rating system is as it doesn't reflect the players actual strength/ How rapdily young players improve nowadays compared to past/ The psychological pressure of facing Hikaru in a chess game online/ Actual missed opportunities by the players in complicated positions where they could have won by which the streaks of Hikaru could have never been achieved/ How much Titled Tuesdays Hikaru could have lost if the opponents found the correct moves under time pressure etc etc you will understand that these streaks of Hikaru could be possible and these OTB performances don't match online chess performances...
If hundreds playing online are cheating then all those hundreds of people would have won Titled tuesday by now.. Yet it's always the same 5 to 10 players
if 100s are cheating then 100s would win titled tuesdays? lmao. You are in some serious denial bud.
@@cooloutac Why not?? If several players cheat in Titled tuesdays why haven't all of them won Titled Tuesday? And Mr Kramnik said in reply to another comment of mine in a older video that there are chess bots omline with which you can cheat easily even in bullet too... In that case all those cheaters should have won right... Instead only few win... Am I in serious denial or you in some serious delusion?? Simple logic should triump over statistics
@suryaparthiban2965 don't you think that would be a little too obvious? Come on.... are you really being serious? People cheat at all levels for various reasons.
@@cooloutac Well that's what Kramnik thinks... And why shouldn't all those cheaters won alternatively if they had cheated?? Mr Kramnik thinks Hikaru cheats in Bullet brawl by using the advanced bots available online... But I bet he hasn't seen any of the streams of Hikaru/ Danya or the other cheaters he accuses of... That's why I explained in the first part of that paragraph the various things about individual games rather seeing it as a whole and calculating statistics
@@suryaparthiban2965 IMO 3+1 online is not drastically different than 3+2 offline which is what I agree with Kramnik on. I also don't think it is is a coincidence that all the smurfing streamers overperform online and most other top players do not. IMO there is no question of if Hikaru and Danya cheat, there is only the question of how and Kramnik has not pretended to know how. As for "why" imo it is because the streaming corrupted them and they feel the need to keep up an image. Kramnik mentioned people can use browser addons because that is just one way possible. 96% of active titled players do not even play in line tournaments and most amateur players don't watch them as fans because it can't be taken seriously. Kramnik is trying to help change that and it is suspicious to be against him for it.
Владимир, просмотры на этом видео - 99 процентов рускоязычных людей и жалкий 1 процент англоговорящих, зачем этот цирк?
Your math is a bit off komrad.
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