He is, of course, the Dave Ross who played the first version of Kryten in Red Dwarf. This was where he first gained an interest in robotics and also decided that emotions were a weakness. Thankfully in later appearances Kryten was played by Robert Llewellyn and not David Gooderson.
I love this series, and I have an idea for possibly an episode about 1 topic, or maybe there's enough EU material to give other reasons - but an episode about all the different explanations for why people forget aliens exist on earth would be hilarious. The RTD era itself gives like 2 different answers, and the moffat era barely tries to explain it. It'd make a good episode I think.
I kind of love how this points out how messed up canon is. He may not like Chibnall era much but he isnt going to complain about how it ruined canon forever, no, he just mocks how there is such a crazy canon!
Oh no- I'm not at the end yet and I havent reacted to any classic Davros stories- Should I hold off on watching this video before my view of him becomes corrupted?
One of the Big Finish stories states that it was Davros' _girlfriend_ who invented the Daleks. Edit - it's the story called... 'Davros', part of a triology with crap 'Omega' and superb 'Master.'
Honestly, that end bit is so true. I went to rewatch them all a couple days ago, and found I actually missed a few when they were uploaded. So that was a nice surprise
I really liked Rose Tyler: The Dimension Cannon. A lot of Big Finish's spin-offs are awful, but this one slotted really well into where it was meant to happen in the story. It really felt like this was what Rose was up to all that time. And Clive is wonderful and I love him.
Speaking of loch ness monster, watching the scene where the doctor is running from the loch ness monster over the hills with the Murray Gold "Westminster Bridge" music playing, is the most pure doctor thing I've ever seen. Like mayonnaise and chips.
it amazes me how you manage to pump so many of these out, especially recently, but still make great videos and find the best bits of who lore, good video Davis
Past me, present me and future me are all simultaneously working on episodes, but we obviously have little communication between us. It's really annoying and temporally irresponsible.
Ah, you assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.
As much as I really like Capaldi, I want to attach something to the casing, bring back Gina. One actor known for playing angry guys and another for being a fighter irl.
Davros actually did not create the Daleks twice, the idea for the Daleks was revealed to be someone else's in Big Finish's "Davros". Davros is a great story, by the way. It's a *Davros* story, without the Daleks involved, and it's wonderful.
Across just three books Sarah Jane Smith and Ace got killed off, Dodo Chaplet was almost r*ped, and Gallifrey was retconned out of existence. They weren't consecutive, but it still gives you an idea of how incredibly dark they could be at times...
@@Ben-vf5gk Well, too be fair, Doctor Who had been canceled on TV and seemed destined for obscurity. So its understandable there would have been a bit more nihilism and more of a "do whatever you want" attitude. And in some ways that was good and resulted in some interesting stuff, but yeah, there are some distinct similarities to 90s comics.
@@themetaphysicalgentleman9677 Not sure when it came Nekromantia is a textbook example of the thing that plagued comics. Androzani wasn't awesome just cause it was dark.
I'm super late to this, but I just learnt that according to Paternoster Investigations (Victorian era book for the Roleplaying Game) the Zygons saved the Borad so he offered his services to them. He has kept himself alive through cloning himself with even a human clone known as Dr Karelov. He's confirmed to be working with the Napoleon of Crime in this book. The Napoleon of Crime is a Dalek who crashed from the Time War and has gotten too distracted playing Moriarty to Vastra's Holmes to actually get around to getting back to his unit.
Very good. If I may recommend stuff what about the fact Shirley Williams was PM after Jeremy Thorpe? Or that Kenneth Clarke was PM? And the joke tweet from Jonny Morris when he said Harriet Jones aunt Brenda Jones was PM. Also what about Dodo in Who Killed Kennedy and the 20th anniversary edition you can easily find online where she survives! I told writer on Twitter it improved the story and he liked that! But apparently she's dead by 2016 here yet in Farewell Sarah Jane she is still alive. Huh.
Dave Ross, just chilling in his mums basement, smoking some of the dank dank skaro weed while a civil war happens upstairs. "Dude, how about we like, take the mutated remains of the Kaleds, put them into giant pepper pots and turn them into Nazis?" "Dave that's the dumbest idea ever it will never catch on" "Just watch me Dude I'll make it work and make Terry Nation a bunch of money and like an estate and shit" "Dude who the fuck is Terry Nation?" And thats the Genesis of the Daleks
Dimention cannon was so "meh" that i forgot i owened it. And a bit for a future video, about how the doctor has met the Silurian the bioengineered the human race? In BF: Bloodtide. ?
OHHHH IT'S COMING, I listened to Bloodtide just last week and couldn't believe my luck. How had nobody spoiled that mental twist for me before then haha
@@aztecgodhuzluiospd1033 Lmao tell that to the guy who spent all lockdown on premiere pro. Wrote this one twice and recorded it three times from stuff i've mostly read/heard/watched myself. Tf with that.
DAVIS did you upload another commentary video last night on a David Tennant thing? I saw it in my recommended last night and was meaning to watch it. Can't find it anymore. Am I going mad?
@@SamyulDavis Really?! Nice. I've always been interested in all the various Dalek origin stories, but afraid of the impending headache that, I assumed, would ensue. (Why does devotion to this franchise always feel like work?!)
Am I the only one who wants a vampire for the next companion, a descendant of the great vampires that fought the timelords? Be an interesting companion-Doctor conflict.
@Najawin I'm a little unclear on how it works, been a while since I've watched state of decay. My understanding was that there were great vampires that fought the Timelords and humanoid vampires were infected by them (the wiki calls them descendents). I mean a humanoid vampire.
It is planned for a future episode, but I feel like people will be disappointed to learn that there's not much explanation past what you probably already know :)
I MENTIONED IT BRIEFLY IN THE DRAGON EP. The same one with Sarah Jane, right? I only read that collection out of context in a local library and am constantly on the fence of whether there's a whole segment there...
@@SamyulDavis Right you have! But you know it's one of the major plot thread for year three of his run right? Here have a read up on this bonkers storyline. (and yes you need to know what happened in year two to understand year three this is some Big Finish level shit) readcomiconline.to/Comic/Doctor-Who-The-Tenth-Doctor-Year-Two readcomiconline.to/Comic/Doctor-Who-The-Tenth-Doctor-Year-Three
Thank you! Though i'm behind on The Tenth Doctor comic, I absolutely intend on catching up organically. Love that crew. Maybe it'll be on here in the future! (There are 50 of these to do, mind)
But did Davros really create the Daleks? Are you sure it wasn't Yarvelling or the Halldons (who apparently were ancestors of the people who created the Forest of Cheem). And by the way, there may be as many as five different species on Skaro- the Kaleds, Thals, Dals, Tharons, and the blue-skinned Daleks
I would be all, damn you went on about loch ness too long, but like... Clive facts are always fun. Also, also. Why did he even get his mind wiped in that second one? Like, would knowing aliens exist really mean all that much? Besides, where's our 20 years later revenge story where his son teams up with the all versions of nessie to take on the Doctor? Lookin at you big finish.
I mean the novelisation of Rose teased the idea of Clive’s wife promising to track the doctor down for revenge so we’ll probably see something like that at some point
Well I think when most people think of cannon thay try to think only New Who TV episodes, that Disregard episodes from a very short few years before. not this side cannon stuff that everyone agrees is all kinds of contradiction.
@@SamyulDavis ok so not entirly sure if this is the whole book aslo it's read using a terrible ai voice, but the channel also has quantum arcangel part 1 if you want a taste of that ua-cam.com/video/V55qBWMPLKI/v-deo.html
it's much better written and presented than a mere wiki page. stfu, Sam is like The Doctor, sorting out fair play across the canonverse. Wonderfully weaving the tales and tidbits from all the canon he's explored... also he's a bit madman in a box at times.
I can’t believe the one about Dave Ross! That blew my mind!
He is, of course, the Dave Ross who played the first version of Kryten in Red Dwarf. This was where he first gained an interest in robotics and also decided that emotions were a weakness. Thankfully in later appearances Kryten was played by Robert Llewellyn and not David Gooderson.
3 Broke Canons in a week. Is this Christmas
Nope! Joyless Lockdown year!
No. It's Knishmas!
its clivemas
It might be on a rational planet
I love this series, and I have an idea for possibly an episode about 1 topic, or maybe there's enough EU material to give other reasons - but an episode about all the different explanations for why people forget aliens exist on earth would be hilarious. The RTD era itself gives like 2 different answers, and the moffat era barely tries to explain it. It'd make a good episode I think.
I kind of love how this points out how messed up canon is. He may not like Chibnall era much but he isnt going to complain about how it ruined canon forever, no, he just mocks how there is such a crazy canon!
Finally, people are talking about Genesis of the Daleks. I love that story, and yet it's so ignored by everyone.
I'm glad we're getting around to the questionable canon plasters that are the stories in the 12 doctors of christmas
That davros fact at the end though. Eye opening!
Oh no- I'm not at the end yet and I havent reacted to any classic Davros stories- Should I hold off on watching this video before my view of him becomes corrupted?
@@carealoo744 nah it's a joke at the end of the video
@@jjmsc9508 Oh- Kk :)
If 'eye-opening' was a Davros pun, I applaud you
One of the Big Finish stories states that it was Davros' _girlfriend_ who invented the Daleks.
Edit - it's the story called... 'Davros', part of a triology with crap 'Omega' and superb 'Master.'
Honestly, that end bit is so true. I went to rewatch them all a couple days ago, and found I actually missed a few when they were uploaded. So that was a nice surprise
I really liked Rose Tyler: The Dimension Cannon. A lot of Big Finish's spin-offs are awful, but this one slotted really well into where it was meant to happen in the story. It really felt like this was what Rose was up to all that time.
And Clive is wonderful and I love him.
You, you are this universe's Clive Finch.
and we're all his nutters
The target book has so many weird stories 😂
Truly embracing the tone of some of those old-school target expansions, I adore it
NEVER stop making these.
We'll stop and have a consider around episode 50 :)
Speaking of loch ness monster, watching the scene where the doctor is running from the loch ness monster over the hills with the Murray Gold "Westminster Bridge" music playing, is the most pure doctor thing I've ever seen. Like mayonnaise and chips.
This is exactly the kind of bizarro escapism I needed today
Love these, thanks for them all!
as someone who lives near loch ness i'll have to confirm this
it amazes me how you manage to pump so many of these out, especially recently, but still make great videos and find the best bits of who lore, good video Davis
I love the nonchalant rhyming of ‘the skarasen in comparison’. True poetry.
I’m bloody loving these. This is what I live for.
3 in the span of a week! These are great
Anything: *exists, or doesn't*
Faction Paradox: I made this.
I love how inconsistent the release schedule is for this series.
Sometimes you get 3 a month, sometimes you get 3 releases within a week.
Having no canon release schedule does seem thematically appropriate
Past me, present me and future me are all simultaneously working on episodes, but we obviously have little communication between us. It's really annoying and temporally irresponsible.
Ah, you assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.
@Najawin Davis' Tentacles is my favourite Dr Who spin off
almost 60 years of weird mysteries. Thanks, Davis.
I never realized how much I needed 12 staring at Baby Yoda until now. That said #CapaldiforMandalorian3
As much as I really like Capaldi, I want to attach something to the casing, bring back Gina. One actor known for playing angry guys and another for being a fighter irl.
@@coreypatton6290 No. Please no. She chose to fucking work with Ben Shapiro.
@@Materminds187 That’s bad why?
You should talk about the Doctor's bizarre relationship with Les Mis, and the strange Whoniverse life of Oscar Wilde, at some point.
Once, during Rose tweet along I tweeted that we all are clives in a way and a random Clive replied to me “some of us more so!”
He wasn’t even a doctor who fan, he was Just Clive
I love these videos so much dude
Can't believe Davros created the Daleks. What a twist!
Excellent. Your videos are really really wonderful.
Two minutes, that was a lucky reload
I LOVE THE MATRIX, IT HAS SO MUCH WEIRD CANON.
(remember the doctor who tv show made by the slitheen)
nope I heard they farted themselves out of business
I love that the Clive's Website still exists.
a lot of times I think I know a lot about doctor who canon, but then broke canon comes along and spoils my fun XD
Ive akready seen them all over and over, these are my addiction!!!!!!
I remember watching the Terri of the zygons and then reading the book with them in. You will enjoy the book if you haven't already
So good, one about all the different things that wiped out the dinosaurs would be good too
I just love these
Thanks keep these videos coming.
Also dimension cannon was really good
I love the cast but couldn't get past the desperation of the concept. Rose is also oddly annoying in it.
"But I don't want to cure cancer. I want to make dinosaurs!"
I can't believe Jeff Bezos is in this video
"The Highlands of Scoterland, near Inverness"
Parallel universe maybe?
Love these.
What, our boy Dave? Are you sure that's still canon? Seems weird
Davros actually did not create the Daleks twice, the idea for the Daleks was revealed to be someone else's in Big Finish's "Davros".
Davros is a great story, by the way. It's a *Davros* story, without the Daleks involved, and it's wonderful.
I need a spin off featuring alternate universe clive, susan and k9
How the heck do you make so many of these? Oh and also make all of them just so wonderful!?
My God the wilderness years novels were ruthless! If I was a character in classic Dr Who I can only imagine what would have happened to me.
Across just three books Sarah Jane Smith and Ace got killed off, Dodo Chaplet was almost r*ped, and Gallifrey was retconned out of existence. They weren't consecutive, but it still gives you an idea of how incredibly dark they could be at times...
@@themetaphysicalgentleman9677 This is sounding more and more like what the comic industry went through in the 90s
@@Ben-vf5gk Well, too be fair, Doctor Who had been canceled on TV and seemed destined for obscurity. So its understandable there would have been a bit more nihilism and more of a "do whatever you want" attitude. And in some ways that was good and resulted in some interesting stuff, but yeah, there are some distinct similarities to 90s comics.
@@themetaphysicalgentleman9677 Not sure when it came Nekromantia is a textbook example of the thing that plagued comics. Androzani wasn't awesome just cause it was dark.
I'm super late to this, but I just learnt that according to Paternoster Investigations (Victorian era book for the Roleplaying Game) the Zygons saved the Borad so he offered his services to them. He has kept himself alive through cloning himself with even a human clone known as Dr Karelov.
He's confirmed to be working with the Napoleon of Crime in this book. The Napoleon of Crime is a Dalek who crashed from the Time War and has gotten too distracted playing Moriarty to Vastra's Holmes to actually get around to getting back to his unit.
One day I'm finally gonna watch Trial of a Timelord and I'm gonna get nostalgic for the Broke Canon intro
Faction Paradox owns the Loch Ness, and also probably everything else
Very good. If I may recommend stuff what about the fact Shirley Williams was PM after Jeremy Thorpe? Or that Kenneth Clarke was PM? And the joke tweet from Jonny Morris when he said Harriet Jones aunt Brenda Jones was PM. Also what about Dodo in Who Killed Kennedy and the 20th anniversary edition you can easily find online where she survives! I told writer on Twitter it improved the story and he liked that! But apparently she's dead by 2016 here yet in Farewell Sarah Jane she is still alive. Huh.
5:00 the comic is called spider-man and the x men if anyone wants to give it a read :)
F in the chat for the Borad
My g, the dimension cannon is so fun! Whattt
I can't wait for Big Finish to release the War Clive box set
"In the excellent Colgan book, In the Blood"
I've only seen the book at stores and isn't that the one with chapters that are 1 sentence long?
It's a great, angry little story. There are paragraphs from memory that fit into the character limit of a tweet.
I do have a copy of that book.
Very annoyed that I didn't immediately notice this even though I've been watching a ton of your videos today.
Yay. I'm a true fan.
Can wait for when Clive Finch finally meets the Meta-Crisis Doctor
Dave Ross, just chilling in his mums basement, smoking some of the dank dank skaro weed while a civil war happens upstairs. "Dude, how about we like, take the mutated remains of the Kaleds, put them into giant pepper pots and turn them into Nazis?"
"Dave that's the dumbest idea ever it will never catch on"
"Just watch me Dude I'll make it work and make Terry Nation a bunch of money and like an estate and shit"
"Dude who the fuck is Terry Nation?"
And thats the Genesis of the Daleks
Dimention cannon was so "meh" that i forgot i owened it. And a bit for a future video, about how the doctor has met the Silurian the bioengineered the human race? In BF: Bloodtide. ?
OHHHH IT'S COMING, I listened to Bloodtide just last week and couldn't believe my luck. How had nobody spoiled that mental twist for me before then haha
@@SamyulDavis need any other small bits for your show hit me up, im not to shabby at lore stuff myself. love what your doing. Keep it up
I need to know more about Dave Ross
Did capaldi have the Loch Ness in thin ice? Saying it would go north or something
Fun fact: Timelash is an anagram of Lame Shit 🤔
hey the dimension cannon was an amazing series, people hate on big finish's gimics but 9/10 times they work. like christina's series was solid
Nice 👍🏾
How do you keep making these so fast
He just looks up random shit on the wiki page
@@aztecgodhuzluiospd1033 Lmao tell that to the guy who spent all lockdown on premiere pro. Wrote this one twice and recorded it three times from stuff i've mostly read/heard/watched myself. Tf with that.
@@SamyulDavis i'd like to imagine that you have a massive vault full of broke canon videos
@@SamyulDavis i don't think meant anything by it lol. just calm down your scaring me
Fuck me this Dave Ross guy sounds like some serious cannon break stuff man and dangerous too, maybe we should see more of him
Unlikely, he died back in '89
The Loch Ness picture looks like me in the bath...
But Davis I thought Yarvelling was the creator of the Daleks
(next ep)
nessie is multi-faceted
DAVIS did you upload another commentary video last night on a David Tennant thing? I saw it in my recommended last night and was meaning to watch it. Can't find it anymore. Am I going mad?
It'll be up fixed tonight :)
@@SamyulDavis oohhhh that's why it got taken down. Thanks for replying, I look forwards to all your vids!
THEY SHOULD MAKE A WAR NESSIE BOXSET.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
(but also completely unironically, yes)
@@SamyulDavis I would also be happy with Jamie riding Nessie into battle at any point in the Who timeline.
look at the size of that thing!
Extra fact for you all. Yarvelling was the original creator of the Daleks.
I'm pretty sure Davros actually DOES break canon, as I believe the Daleks had alternative origins in various books in the mid-60s. I may be wrong.
NEXT VID
@@SamyulDavis Really?! Nice. I've always been interested in all the various Dalek origin stories, but afraid of the impending headache that, I assumed, would ensue. (Why does devotion to this franchise always feel like work?!)
11:47 Michael Wisher emerges!
R.I.P Borad #neverforget
Just when I thought he was out of facts he pulls me back in
Clive is the best companion
Who's that guy that briefly flashes onscreen at 4:47?
actor colin firth
Am I the only one who wants a vampire for the next companion, a descendant of the great vampires that fought the timelords? Be an interesting companion-Doctor conflict.
Didn't the Time Lords descend from vampires, or did I imagine that?
@Najawin I'm a little unclear on how it works, been a while since I've watched state of decay. My understanding was that there were great vampires that fought the Timelords and humanoid vampires were infected by them (the wiki calls them descendents). I mean a humanoid vampire.
@@laineylarsen245 Time lords fought them, they're from a different universe
@Najawin I'd be happy with the ancient Gallifrey villain in Monstrous Beauty, the one who is literally just Nosferatu. Put him in as companion.
@Najawin "any type of vampire is antithetical to a time lord" yeah that's why one would make an interesting companion. That and it'd be something new
Is Dave Ross firends with Tim Shaw? Do they go down to the pub together?
True fan gang
True fan gang
Can you explain the Lumiat to us please?
It is planned for a future episode, but I feel like people will be disappointed to learn that there's not much explanation past what you probably already know :)
Whats genesis of the daleks
But when is the matrix gunna talk about the comic where the 10th dr who's companion gets the power of 'Jon Pertwee title sequence'
I MENTIONED IT BRIEFLY IN THE DRAGON EP. The same one with Sarah Jane, right?
I only read that collection out of context in a local library and am constantly on the fence of whether there's a whole segment there...
@@SamyulDavis Right you have! But you know it's one of the major plot thread for year three of his run right?
Here have a read up on this bonkers storyline. (and yes you need to know what happened in year two to understand year three this is some Big Finish level shit)
readcomiconline.to/Comic/Doctor-Who-The-Tenth-Doctor-Year-Two
readcomiconline.to/Comic/Doctor-Who-The-Tenth-Doctor-Year-Three
Thank you! Though i'm behind on The Tenth Doctor comic, I absolutely intend on catching up organically. Love that crew. Maybe it'll be on here in the future! (There are 50 of these to do, mind)
@@SamyulDavis Dam the matrix really has been doin work this pandemic!
Davros invented the Daleks!?!?! What even is canon?
if you killed off the characters you didn't like
series over
But did Davros really create the Daleks? Are you sure it wasn't Yarvelling or the Halldons (who apparently were ancestors of the people who created the Forest of Cheem). And by the way, there may be as many as five different species on Skaro- the Kaleds, Thals, Dals, Tharons, and the blue-skinned Daleks
The Halldons mention sent me on a little rabbit hole that might kickstart the next one off, thanks!
@@SamyulDavis You're welcome, I guess. _Just when you think he's running out of rabbit holes..._
Last time i was This early Doctor Who was canceled
I would be all, damn you went on about loch ness too long, but like... Clive facts are always fun. Also, also. Why did he even get his mind wiped in that second one? Like, would knowing aliens exist really mean all that much? Besides, where's our 20 years later revenge story where his son teams up with the all versions of nessie to take on the Doctor? Lookin at you big finish.
I mean the novelisation of Rose teased the idea of Clive’s wife promising to track the doctor down for revenge so we’ll probably see something like that at some point
@@EditedAF987 Hell Yeah! Assassinating the Doctor or Mother-Son bonding.
You watch your mouth about Kablam! I almost liked that episode.
@Najawin
Not remotely.
I almost liked it upon broadcast too, but cowardly sci-fi is the single worst kind of sci-fi.
Great video as always, but I will not stand for this Dimension Cannon disrespect smh.
I still don’t understand what faction paradox is even though you speak about it every week
@Najawin I'm still convinced it's the name for a pizza topping
Double confirmed...
Nah dude, loche ness doesn't attract dinosaurs, it's just a silurian colony with a dodgy zoo that has poor security
Well I think when most people think of cannon thay try to think only New Who TV episodes, that Disregard episodes from a very short few years before. not this side cannon stuff that everyone agrees is all kinds of contradiction.
New Who TV stuff contradicts itself just as often.
you someone made an audiobook of christmas on a rational planet and posted it on youtube
I've looked for this! Do you have a link please?
@@SamyulDavis ok so not entirly sure if this is the whole book aslo it's read using a terrible ai voice, but the channel also has quantum arcangel part 1 if you want a taste of that ua-cam.com/video/V55qBWMPLKI/v-deo.html
honestly i'm surprised they haven't debunked davros making the daleks in any way
spoiler for the next one (they kinda have)
@@SamyulDavis god damn it
@@SamyulDavis You mean Shan was the one to actually come up with the idea?
2:21 wtf, goatse Titan Comics???
But I don't want to cure cancer
I WANT TO MAKE DINOSAURS
I know these are made with the random tab from the wiki page
I don't mind though, that's my favourite pass time
s i g h
your are probably right
it's much better written and presented than a mere wiki page. stfu, Sam is like The Doctor, sorting out fair play across the canonverse. Wonderfully weaving the tales and tidbits from all the canon he's explored... also he's a bit madman in a box at times.