How Come NO ONE Is Addressing This *MAJOR* Issue With Metallica’s Stage Design?!
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- I have one BIG issue with Metallica's new set design on their latest tour that made the concert experience unlistenable, but then it became the best experience ever. Let me explain...
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00:00 - Intro
02:00 - Where I sat - What I paid for 4 2-day tickets
03:42 - Metlife's parking system couldn't handle traffic (NOT METALLICA'S FAULT)
05:23 - Setlist was amazing
06:17 - MAJOR echo issues that cripple the sound experience
09:10 - Why their stage design is doomed to fail for upper tier seats
18:00 - INEXCUSABLE sound issues
21:25 - Why echos happen in large stadiums
24:10 - Metallica has no excuse for this
25:20 - Sunday's show was SO MUCH BETTER
34:00 - Go see Metallica, but beware of your seat location
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A lot of comments are being repeated in the video, so to all who want to comment on the following:
- Kirk and James not using traditional amps, but fractals
- Lars using 4 drum kits
- Subwoofers in the towers
- The Munich documentary behind the scenes of the tour
I am up to speed! 😂
To all of the people who are giving me crap about being late, since you all have never once been late to anything in your lives… 🙄
I live 20 minutes away from MetLife Stadium and have gone to this stadium and the old Giants stadium for football games, concerts, and other events for years. I live less than 25 miles away and left my house at 4:30 because I have something called a day job. I left as early as I could, knowing that I probably would miss WVH at the very least. I am not a salaried employee where I could just take a personal day. I’m a freelancer, meaning if I don’t work, I don’t get paid. I needed to work and my day job as a photographer requires me to be contracted for jobs that I cannot get out of. The point being, it should not have taken 3 1/2 hours to travel less than 25 miles when I have made the journey to MetLife countless times in less than an hour, even in rush-hour. I also want to make it perfectly clear that it’s not Metallicas fault for the traffic. Sure, there was plenty of additional traffic, but I drove on rt 3 on football Sunday with not even half of this severe traffic. The blame lies with MetLife’s horrendous parking facilities and how slow they processed the cars.
I find it pretty amazing that the people who are just here to flame are saying dumb shit like "lol you got bad seats bro" or "haha you get what you paid for" can walk right into the point and still miss it. What do you think is the more logical line of thinking: Demanding that a band worth hundreds of millions of dollars with top of the line staff can make sure everyone can hear them in their concerts, or made pathetic attempts to troll and flame someone so you can get a 15 second dopamine rush to say you "got" a guy on UA-cam?
Oh and they have 4 drum kits under the stage.
They don’t move the kit around the stage
Kirk discussed the Fractal vs amps thing in depth in the Rick Beato interview, it was long but worth the listen. Filmed in between the 2 NY shows.
THATS a shame coz it looks cool. ive seen hundreds of gigs everywhere and a band w a pa that massive and a touring history as extensive as theirs should have got this right. betcha lars idea
Using fractal when you have beautiful Mesa and dumble ods lol trash I'm sorry
@@StereostupidFractals have been known to sound literally identical to real guitar amps and are way more reliable than real tube amps, so they are definitely not the problem.
I am a Metallica fan and this is the most constructive video review I have ever seen. Thanks a lot for your knowledge.
Thanks for watching!
dont need to be constructive when you pay a thousand for this garbage 😂 its on the band ultimately, they agreed to this crap
Man that's so frustrating that people are paying nearly a grand for even higher level seats and the show sounds like this. Appreciate hearing your perspective as an audio engineer
Thanks for watching!
We paid $168 for seats in section 120, and it was the most powerful, incredible sound I’ve ever heard. Saw them at MetLife in 2016, with seats in the high balcony and the sound was muddled. We learned our lesson then. Don’t buy those seats.
Nose bleeds are in the ball park of 100 and first level is 200-300
@@nofreewill1I was in section 121 at MetLife stadium went to both shows same seats I paid 280 a piece on Ticketmaster I bought two tickets for me and my girl paid 680 for two tickets
Sat in the 200's and didn't think it was that bad sounding?
I'm so fortunate to have seen Metallica in 85 ,stood 2 feet away from James throughout the show which was in an old bowling alley turned into a bar,and It cost me $7.50 Armored Saint and Wasp also played, awesome show
Dam . What a great show. Old Armored Saint jams, Madhouse, March of the Saint, Can You Deliver ? etc.
That tour we hung out with James Kirk and cliff. Lars got deported. Boston. Took em to the liquor store. We were playing tank and they were freaking out we were playing them on... yes... tape deck lol. I almost played drums for them that night but yeah... no go lol. Too bad. I could of done it. Was playing to them all the time. Great memories great people!!!
I would be down to have seen them there upto 1988. I have to force myself to consume their 90s and on music.
bottom line is nothing beats the intimate concert experience of a smaller venue. big stadium shows just cant compare. you haven't truly lived the real live music experience until you've been to a smaller show
I saw them about 11 years later in a civic center, cost thirty I think. Better concert than what this fellow saw.
Pantera was shafted the most when it came to the sound. For an example, they played a song that I thought was “I’m broken” then literally right after I heard Phil say “This next one is called I’m Broken” I couldn’t hear damn near anything
I remember seeing Metallica for ~70 euros back in 2008. Standing ticket, came in nice and early, got to watch the show mid stage from right behind the little fan zone barrier. Even back then I thought it was quite the pretty penny 😅 holy crap have prices gotten insane.
Metallica knows their fans will pay these prices to see them. That’s why I said they’re a “Beatles” caliber act. They can, and will, continue to raise prices of their concerts because they know someone will spend 2 years of savings to spend 5 minutes meeting them.
I’ll gladly take the cheap seats and still be a fan. This was my one big show I wanted to go to this year so I’m happy I got to see them finally.
@@chrishammillaudio completely agree with the cheap seats part. at the end of the day they're Metallica one of the most influential metal bands of all time. Sad to see they had audio issues in your stadium.
Metallica has been my favourite band since I was about 15. I'm now 43. I've seen them 5 times. But recently ive got that annoyed with them I doubt I'll ever pay to see them again. No 1) the amount they charge for meet and greets is disgusting (and James now refuses to even go on them) no 2) the amount they charge for this tickets is just ludicrous. This is a band worth nearly 1 billion dollars. Its just greed!!!
Do you like music or whining about money? There's a large Gap between the two but you're the only large gap in sight
@@sandos91Typical Metallica apologist.
Metallica (ie Lars and James) have always been about the money.
they dont set the ticket price. take it up with ticket master, who has a monopoly on ticket sales. its metallicas management who is greedy and dont forget the HUGE amount of gear they are taking with them on tour. also, you are paying for 2 NIGHTS!
I have seem metallica in 7 times, in 3 countries and 5 cities, since the justice tour. i was always amazed how cheap their tickets were compared to other big acts. it was never about the money, otherwise they wouldn't have taken the risks they did.also the sound (small venues, arenas, open air, or stadium) the sound was always incredible. something happened this time. i dont know if its the amperage, or the mixer is effing up, or our stadium has shitty acoustics - but it was lacking. loud and massive as usual, but poorly mixed. you could hardly hear james, while the drums and kirk were loud as f - the bass sound was great tho, and at times the volume was coming in and out. i wonder if everyone else had that experience
one ore thing - first night i was up in the nosebleed section and the sound was awful. day 2 i sneaked into the 100 section, hoping it would sound better. it didnt - somethings off
Ive seen them 16 times and the sound was always good to excellent. Not going to any shows this year, prices have gotten way overpriced. Im not spending almost $2000 for 4 of us to need binoculars to see the stage.
I spent less than $800 for the 4 two day passes. I don’t regret going but my god the sound was bad the first night.
@@chrishammillaudio You got robbed and still you don't regret.
@@chrishammillaudio That's not to bad. So $200 bucks for two separate shows? Anything more than 100-150 for decent seats is a rip off. They get older and play worse but we gotta pay more? To see Pantera would have been worth it. I've seen both bands in the 90's. I paid $35 bucks for nosebleed seats at Metallica at the Q back in 1997...lol. Same price I paid for Pantera pavillion seats at blossom in 96. Those actually might've been 25 or 35.
@@laloelsalamancaTo finally see them live? Nope. Never had a bad experience with sound at a big stadium show, so I expected good sound. The experience of shitting on the sound night 1 with my friends and every person in the section with us and getting quite drunk on Sunday with actual good sound was good memories.
You sound like a female dog
The best stage setup in my opinion was the “world magnetic tour” when promoting death magnetic. That was epic.
I saw that show and was impressed. $70 for good seats, also included was Death Magnetic CD mailed to you before the concert THEN after the show , access to download the audio of the show you attended.
The Coffin on the Black Album tour was my favorite.
The sound wasn't too bad in section 115, but during the Summer Sanitarium tour at Veterans Stadium in 2003, I got a lot of that sound bouncing that you are talking about. We also missed Wolfgang and all but 3 songs of Pantera on Friday because of that crazy traffic.
How about it should be great no excuses or exceptions. These bands need to stop trying to start new fads in there 60's. Just play . And play your instruments for real ..
I really agree with all the explanation you did and actually had the impression that there was something not quite right with the sound when I checked some videos posted from their latest concerts. Hope someone from their management team could see your video and probably get to fix that big issue. I am from Perú and we have seen Metallica twice here in Lima, both were really awesome shows. The second show in 2014 in Perú during the "By Request" tour is actually uploaded in the Metallica You Tube channel. That was a really freaking great setlist, you should check it out! Greetings! 🤘
Dude you can't compare a RECORDING to actually being there. Does this really need to be said?
I will say I saw them in Arlington this year sound was great could be due to being indoor. Or cause Jerry world which is outdated is still amazing for concerts.
Thanks for the explanation. I was in Section 410 2 or 3 rows from the very top at Cowboy stadium this past weekend. First time seeing Metallica. Cost me over $250 for both nights. I was trying to be that guy rocking out but i lost them many times.
After over 30 years listening to Metallica, albums and live recordings, I know every note in my soul and i couldn't keep up with what they were playing. Figured that was just the nature of being in the nosebleeds. Still an amazing experience but sucks to know it could've been better.
That’s how my night 2 in MetLife was man it’s sad :(
That’s fucking pathetic!!!
Metallica should be ashamed of themselves!!!
They need to refund everyone who had this situation happen!!!
It’s complete
bullsh!t!!!
Theft of their fans money imo!!!!!
I was at the Phoenix show and had pretty much the same issue. Nosebleed seats and a lot of echoing going on as well. It wasn’t until the next show when we were upgraded to the bottom level that I can finally hear everything clearly.
Yup. We were there in the 200 section Friday and all 3 bands sounded terrible. Very muddy and challenging to make out discernible frequencies. We didn’t have the severe echoes like your were experiencing. That’s wild! And don’t get me started in trying to get an Uber out of there after the show.
Getting in and out of MetLife that night was a nightmare. I ended up taking the train on Sunday and it was a completely different experience for the better.
@@chrishammillaudio I wish they would go back to multiple nights in ARENAS vs stadiums....better sound. That said, I probably would have passed this time around if not for Pantera opening.
Saw Metallica several times between the ages of 16-25, Im now 48. I never paid more than $40-65 for tickets. I wanted to catch them here in San Antonio a few years back w/ Hardwired to Self Destruct and the cheapest tickets were $500 and at the very back. I can get a better experience watching it on my home theater system for pennies to the dollar on my electric bill. I love Metallica but the cost for concerts are ridiculous. I'd be fine paying $200-300 at most for mid range seats but thats not even an option.
The arlington shows had great seats for 140 a ticket they day of the concert. Seats in the First bottom section
The reason why it's so expensive is. They are so popular. So they have to play in big concert halls whatever you want to call it. And all the work it take and paying their crew. And paying those diesel truck driver which their like probably 8 trucks carrying all their gear. Yea it get expensive paying all of them.
@@rcrotorfreak I dont have unrealistic expectations to pay what I use to pay but imo there's no justification for paying $500 for seats only to watch them on a big screen 2-3 football fields away from the stage and w/ horrible audio as described in this vid. There's so much empty room on the lower stage that nearly half is open but clearly not sold, why? because of the outrageous cost. Metallica has always been a bit greedy with content, this became clear on how they handled the whole Napster issue and how they treated Jason Newsted. I still love them as a band but I'm also not stupid to pay more than they are worth.
I payed $400 for the Floor in La for a 2 day ticket. Most acts of that caliber charge more than that for one day for similar seats
@@folsum53yeah, I’m confused. Paid 400 for a two day ticket, my brother paid like 250 for a two day ticket in the lower sections. Nothing expensive, it’s Metallica and having opener bands like Pantera and FFDP is just worth it.
You would think that a band such as that would have a top notch production that utilizes audio analysis software to predict the best possible speaker placement to get the best possible sound for their audience and I'm sure they do but it's unfortunate that concert goers are still subjected to a subpar live audio experience. I'm sure there are tons of variables that go into achieving this and I understand that not every venue will sound as good as others do. It's all really pretty fascinating stuff if you ask me thanks for giving your take on it 😊
Wow I enjoyed watching this because your experience was just like mine. I also missed most of Pantera waiting to park and making my way up to the 300 section. I don’t have any experience setting up sound for venues like this but i immediately realized the problem with the circular centered stage and PA speakers pointed 360 degrees at all the stadium walls. The sound seemed marginally better on Sunday. But I’m not sure if it actually was or if my brain just learned to discern the intended sound from the echo by then. They sounded much better on their previous Hardwired tour. But this setup allows them to sell more tickets to more available seats. I downloaded the soundboard recordings and the echo problem is even evident on that. 😮
I’m sorry I’m not the only one. I hope you had a fun time nevertheless. Hard to believe there is this echo issue in the board recording lol
Thanks for the comment!
@@chrishammillaudio they mix a considerable amount of ambient sound into their soundboard recordings. So the echo is audible but it’s not as dominant and problematic as it was in the 300 sections. It’s more like more like a bad sloppy reverb blended in. I was disappointed Friday but got more into the spirit of it Sunday.
Once I moved down to the 100s on Sunday and just stood in the bar it was a night and day difference. Heard everything clearly and it was very enjoyable.
at least you dont have to worry about this video getting copyright flagged lol
“A small price to pay for salvation”
its funny cause i watched this whole video of them breaking down the audio saying it was perfection, and it was crafted so that every seat in the house had perfect audio experience, hahaha but yes i was at the rammstein tour and that show is pure perfection! nothing can touch a rammstein show when it comes to visual or audio!
Anytime a band or production company says the sound is perfection, it almost never is.
You are 100%, correct, Rammstein has ruined my expectations for every other act that plays large stadiums. They have their sound down to a science.
I was recently at an audio system calibration workshop. I had the chance to listen to and talk with Bob McCarthy. He mentioned that there were some issues in certain venues, but overall, the tour was successful for the sound system. Additionally, 90% of the audience was able to hear a stereo mix, whereas typically this percentage listens to concerts in mono.
I'm really sorry that your experience was bad, and I hope you have a better experience soon.
I walked around half of the stadium on the upper tiers. Couldn't hear anything. Heard the same muddy, unlistenable mix. An entire third of the stadium couldn't hear them. When the sound is that bad, and suddenly that good just simply moving down, that's completely unacceptable, in any situation, for a band this big with this size of a budget and team. When I'm not the only one by a mile with these same issues in multiple stadiums in multiple countries.... There is a serious issue, and whoever designed this stage layout needs to be fired. I don't give a shit what Bob McCarthy has to say.
Maybe people should buy tickets when they first come out and not buying tickets that are marked up 1000%. In TX, there were good seats for $200 or so if you bought within the first week or 2, but if you waited you got screwed
@edmon7943 that's not the fucking point. Go troll somewhere else.
The show at SoFi had similar echoes but if you wear ear plugs it makes it a lot better. It's probably due to the fact that they will dampen the reflections. Still as you mention, the issue is primarily a flaw with the stage design. The mix sounded great even in the 500s at SoFi when I had my plugs in. Kind of like listening to Active Noise Cancelling ear buds though it does have an isolating effect from the crowd. After going to a Ghost/Maiden concert years back that left me feeling deaf, I always bring ear plugs.
Agree completely. At SoFi In the 400 section, Pantera was almost unlistenable!!!! Horendous. Metallica was so much more dialed in even without earplugs. Spent night 2 for I9K and 5FDP in 300 section 50 yard line and it sounded great without earplugs. I think it was much more dialed for night 2 over all.
@@stevencall3968 Yeah I noticed that too. Sunday was way better than Friday in terms of overall sound quality. A shame because I preferred the lineup and setlist from Friday. Still had a great time.
This would be infuriating! My girlfriend and I saw U2 in Indianapolis for their Joshua Tree anniversary tour and we were in the nosebleeds dead center of the stage. They had line arrays near the back of the floor by the sound engineer facing up and around the backend of the stadium towards us and it sounded great. Crystal clear.
All the more reason why big acts like this in big stadiums need to aim speakers to people in the upper tiers to accommodate them.
I saw Skinny Puppy Live in 1988 , they had Lots of Speakers and Synthesizers that made the Speakers Sound Good!!!
Yup, I saw them in Dallas sounded awful. I was disappointed
I feel your pain. I’ve had a very similar experience at an outdoor show before. I was angry, but many around me seemed like the show was find to them.
Damn I didn’t even think about this. I was very lucky and was sitting at 103 in the first row but I can’t imagine how frustrating the whole experience must have been. And you are spot on with the traffic as someone who has to travel on route 3 almost everyday I wanted to die being stuck in the parking lot for hours 💀
I had a similar issue at the Georgia Dome for Guns ‘n Roses’ Not in This Lifetime tour.
I was in the upper deck at about the near side 40-yard line to the end zone stage. All I heard was echo. I just chalked it up to the Dome being designed to amplify crowd noise for football games through echoes off the stadium surfaces instead of being designed for concert acoustics.
I didn’t even think to blame GnR’s sound crew.
Agree with everything you said. I took all this into consideration before deciding on going or not. But live performances are always hit and miss. But I do agree a show/label as big as Metallica, they should get the best sound engineers. Hopefully they come back and do another tour soon and do better.
The Metallica stage set up reminds me of U2's Claw stage back in 2008-2009. It was in the round. Very busy stage and seating was a mix of general admission and reserved seating.
We had the same issues in Amsterdam back in April. Now the Johan Cruijf (Amsterdam) Arena is notorious for being an "echo chamber". Back in 2019 for Metallica's summer tour even when they used a more traditional stage, you couldn't hear a single thing, only echoes. As for their gear, Kirk & James and I believe Rob as well, all use Fractal amp modelers. The signal is split so 1 signal goes directly to FOH, and the other signal goes to some speaker cabs and their in-ear monitors for monitoring. Kirk & James both have guitar techs backstage that switch between the different patches during the set. Kirk only uses remote wah's spread throughout the stage. However if kirk can't get to a wah pedal in time, his guitar tech has him covered.
i was lucky enough to see them at download this year, where they used half of the ringed stage with the traditional stage design. the pillars were spaced out much much more and that combined with the sound coming from literally everywhere made for an amazing experience. I’m sorry your experience wasn’t what you paid for :(
It all depends how the speakers are aimed. Glad you had a great time.
I was at Download too. I thought night one sounded insanely good but because people complained about the sound, it was so much quieter on day two. I was near one of the screens and could hear myself talking at a normal volume. 😂 They were still awesome though.
I’ve been to many Metallica shows. I’ve even met them four times. Some of the most amazing experiences of my life. The last one I was at was on the Death Magnetic tour. It was in an arena like the one you’re in here. There wasn’t echo issues, but the sound was horrendous. I couldn’t make out anything being played. It was just a wall of mud. The only chance I would ever go to a concert again is if it’s outdoors and I am close to the stage. That will never happen though because the price would be way too high now. I can afford it, but on principle, I’ll never pay those kind of prices.
That's a very fair compromise and principal to stand on. I'm not planning on seeing them again unless the tickets are much cheaper and I sit much closer.
Thanks for making this video. I was in Arlington and it was so bad. I was in the 400's. I was a minute plus into some songs before I realized what they were playing and I know the catalog well. SoFi attendees will understand after this weekend
I could see the problem with the stage as soon as the video came up great and intimate for those close up kind of a clusterfuck for those in the nosebleeds.
and that sound godawful.
I was in the 314 , sounds bad 😢
@@vofkatexas great show but bad sound. I bet the 200’s and lower were just right
I was in section 114 seats 11 and 12 in Arlington and it all sounded amazing both nights but I can see how the sound gets worse the more you go up and further away from the stage.
Kudos to you , for being a long time Metallica fan , and also for explaining how sound works from a perspective of a sound engineer. I saw them in Orlando a couple of years ago over the July 4th weekend in a football stadium and I had the same experience as you , was sitting all the way at the end in a third level and the sound was bouncing off and the echo was terrible throughout the stadium
Omg your videos are exactly how it sounded for me on night 2 and your right it literally sounded better coming of off the speakers we weren’t even meant to be listening to! I think the main issue was the overhang speakers (I was in section 310) themselves were also just off by a good second so no matter what we had extra echo to add into other issues
For the Arlington show I originally had a 300 section ticket like you but went online Friday afternoon and the box office put up a bunch of 100 section tickets, so I got front row for $140. The sound was great from down front man, I really lucked out. What I'm hearing in your video is night and day different from how it sounded near the floor.
Nice. Glad you were able to upgrade.
I had the same issue in their show in sofi stadium Los Angeles what made it worse was the giant screen was blocking the sounds so i didn’t hear much of the songs Friday :( but Sunday I moved locations to the lower levels and it was way better
I was there Sunday & the same thing…I was hoping I could see Metallica on the huge overhead screen but they had it on those little ones & I could barely see that. My seats were WAY up there. Either way I was happy to be there to see Metallica
@@anamarijamilos1290ugh i honestly thought tney would use those overhead screens
But nope 😩i was severely underwhelmed
I hope they ditch the round stage soon
i want to go with my dad but we can’t do both days. which day would you say was your favorite in terms of setlist?
Friday
I saw Bassnectar's 360º show on NYE 2019/2020 - similar idea, just without the snake pit in the middle, and I was similarly near the top of the venue, but it honestly sounded great, I'm wondering what the difference is. The arena was a lot smaller than that stadium, does that make it better?
Sure, but modern speaker design and how people aim them make up a huge difference in quality.
It’s a damned shame to hear about the sound issues. I have seen Metallica 3 times, once in the mid 90’s and a couple of times in the early 2000’s two in amphitheater and one inside a arena, and they sounded great all times. Sound aside, it seems to me at least that their stage production and pyro game has really fallen off in the last few years. They used to known for crazy stage shows, and hella pyro, even after James got cooked and now its screens and limited pyro. They are still one of my favorite bands ever,but I think I’m done watching gigantic shows, I really prefer club and small theatre shows anymore.
I actually loved the toned down pyro and lights. It wasn’t batshit crazy. If I wanted a batshit crazy light and pyro show I’ll go see Rammstein.
Yeah man, I’m sorry for the experience you had. I was in section 128 row 4 and it sounded like the the pro footage. I had no idea it was THAT bad for those up there. I just always make sure I’m in a good seat when it come to metallica, it was my 9/10th time seeing them.
How much were your tickets? I couldn’t find anything less than $500 a pop for one night in the 100s.
With fees they were $340 each. I snagged them on the legacy met club member presale the millisecond they went on sale. Maybe that factored in
They had Floor tickets for 190 a pop both days
Thank you for this video. As a sound engineer, I have been curious about how this would work out…
The entire set up of this stage has been intriguing since I first saw it in videos. I will be seeing them in Detroit in November, now I’m curious if I will have line arrays facing me or the opposite direction. I do have a seat down near the floor though.
Fingers crossed you can hear.
Great video, and great explanation. Planing to go to see them next year in Poland - standing tickets. I have very high expectations of metallica's live sound.I have seen them 4 times so far. 3 times in a traditional stage design and once in a rounded stage design, and they always blew me away with the awesome sound they had, balanced, very powerful and crystal clear in most cases. Ok normaly at the start of the gig, they twickle with the settings to find the optimal setting, and then when the 2nd or 3rd song hits, the sound is nearly perfect. Feeling the power of the kick drum and razorsharp massive guitars is essential, so you actually feel that you are witnessing metallica.
The stage itself looks awesome, but gotta say I am more fan of a traditional stage design. The indoor stage design that they had from 2016 to 2018 with the cubes, was awesome so was the sound, but those were arenas up to 20k capacity, so much easier to get a great sound.
Also I really hope that the ticket prices drop at some point in the future, because ticket prices since the end of covid are just insane, for all bands not just metallica. But I guess that the demand is there, and when the demand is there the prices are sick.
I saw Metallica play for 4 hours on the Black album tour for $18. I remember getting 3rd row Ozzfest tickets, for $55 maybe $65 tops, and that was to see 30 bands or something. My goodness times have changed.
Was that in Albuquerque? I saw them play an extra long set to make up for G'n'R being way to drunk to perform. During their Black Album tour.
You overpaid for the black album tour. 😂
Kirk, James, and Rob all have techs who run their effects on the side of the stage. Kirk does have wah pedals though on stage in several places so he can modulate the wah effect when needed. I was at Montreal in the 400 section and Pantera was nearly unlistenable, very bad echo. Metallica cleaned it up a lot and didn't sound bad to me. I've been to 13 shows and this was middle of the road probably sound wise.
Night and day difference between Friday and Sunday.
Do you think they are actively making adjustments at each venue to try to correct issues? Because I have noticed in the past that first song is muddy but it will get better as the show goes on.@@chrishammillaudio
@@SkeldZ06yes, they have techs walking the venue making adjustments
I’m sitting up top for the St. Louis show. I’m worried now lol you think it being inside of a dome instead of a outside stadium would make any difference?
I'm sure there will be a difference, but it all comes down to where you are in relation to the speakers.
Man I feel you, I was at the show in SoFi stadium and I was supposed to be in the nosebleeds but was able to stand in the 300 section and even then I could hear James but there were still some gaps in terms of sound
I saw Metallica in 2009 on their tour for the Death Magnetic record. They also had a "stage in the center" setup with speakers on every corner of the rectangular setup. Sound was amazing and massive and we were in the upper rows as well. But that was in a 12k seats arena and not a massive stadium. That "punch in the gut" from Lars's drums you talked about was stunning. Kickdrums and both floor toms had so damn much low end, it was such a great experience.
But I think the best sounding concert I have ever experienced was Rammstein last summer. So massive, yet so clear. The band itself tight as hell.
BTW: There is this video from Metallica's visit to Hamburg here in Germany where they go into detail about the stage design, sound and setup. Thought this might be interesting for you, Chris.
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Rammstein last year put on one of the best shows I’ve ever see. It was outstanding
You must not confuse Arena Shows "in the Round" with Stadium Shows "in the Round"! There is a huge difference sound-wise. While you can get a very good sound in an arena, it is almost impossible in a stadium. It's not for nothing that no one has ever done an "in the round" show in a stadium!
Thanks so much for the insight. Glad I convinced my cousin to spend a little more & not get the rafter seat tickets. My only gripe with the footage I've seen from this tour is the circular stage setup & the fact that All Nightmare Long isn't on the setlist.
Don't want to complain too much though. I've been a fan since I was in middle school so I'm still super stoked to see them live 🤘
Thanks for watching. Glad you were able to get good tickets.
In the round setup needs a specific sound arrangement.i was at sofi stadium last night. Section 347 in middle way up. Sound was not the clearest.
I came really close to going on Sunday but I was driving in from Upstate NY and ultimately it wasn’t gonna work out. I would’ve been in the 300s so I’m kinda relieved I didn’t break the bank or gone really out of my way to get there. I’ve already seen them 4 times and would’ve way preferred the Friday setlist. I always have some fomo when I can’t see them but not as much in this case.
Oh and the Montreal shows also had the same sounds issues, so I’ve heard.
I'm going to SoFi next week to see them and I hope to god it doesn't sound like this. This may be my last time seeing a band in a huge venue like this!
Fingers crossed you have a good experience.
If you have floor tickets or are in the first 10 rows you should be fine..After that it's the lottery lol
I got nose bleed section..but I'm going stay at the bottom floor and slip my way through..guards are always being asked something so you get an opportunity hahaha or tell them that your wife has the tickets and you just grabbed a beer
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I will also be going
I went when they were in Arlington, TX and I sat on the first level. And all I gotta say is wow, it was the best sounding concert I’ve ever been to both night. Could hear every single note from every instrument
All the more reason why I made this video. Glad you had a great experience.
We were in section 400 and heard it great. Pantera was rough on the sound side though. Perhaps the tour hasn't made proper adjustments for them yet.
Was in 202. Sounded amazing.
I stumbled upon your video today, as I ponder whether I want to see these shows in St. Louis. Here's my concern: It's the old, crappy dome where the Rams used to play. I've been eyeing what I can afford seat wise, and I've been maxing myself out basically at the upper end of the lower bowl, probably in the corner. With the stage design as it is here, will that be a safe bet, or should I just avoid altogether because of the dome? I've only seen football games there; never a concert. Thoughts?
Get the best seats you can. The 100 section seems to be the best bet.
I attended the shows @ sofi, and was fortunate enough to have had snake pit access. The sound in the pit wasn't great either, I actually found myself in front of the mixing desk later in the sets, just to get a half decent sound mix. I do wonder if the band has any idea this is happening?
I would add that part of the enhanced experience included a stage tour, which included discussion about speakers, towers and pedal placement. You are correct in your assumption about guitar signals switching to various receivers as band members moved around stage. I believe we were told it was automated?... personally I feel the entire setup to be a vanity project, Metallica has grown into such a monster of a "business" now, I guess someone feels the need to continually have the biggest setup. In this case its clearly not the best. And certainly didn't add to the value of my experience. I had the ability to get just as close on the Death Magnetic tour, the stage was good & more importantly the sound was awesome and I didn't have to sell my 1st born to see them.
I'm just an audio enthusiastic and when I saw that stage design I was like: "I think there's a problem with that...". And now you describe it very well!
I hope some of the Metallica crew watches this video and take feedback for everyone's comments.
Also I hope you have a better experience for your next Metallica concert. I have attended to one of their concerts (with regular setup) and I had A BLAST! I can say it was better that Rammstein's setup (HUGE Rammstein fan here, have attended to bunch of their concerts).
Thanks for uploading this!
I hope next experience sound wise is a hell of a lot better because I wasn’t impressed at all. Set looked cool but man sound was a letdown.
I’ll either splurge and get better seats or wait for a more traditional stage.
I doubt anyone from that camp will listen to some nobody on UA-cam but it would really be cool if they saw this video and read all the complaints.
Rammstein have the perfect stadium stage design. It’s not in the round. It’s a monstrosity and there are towers in the middle of the floor with additional amps that also shoot flames into the sky. They have an amazing sound engineer because it is so loud, yet it’s absolutely crystal clear. The bass shakes you to the core. You can feel it in every cell of your body. You can hear them play 10 miles away & they’re even picked up on the Richter Scale. I’ve never experienced something so menacing yet beautiful. Front row at Rammstein was the most intense experience apart from taking DMT.
I show a clip of their MetLife set in the video lol
They will forever be the king of shows I’ll ever see.
@@chrishammillaudioAwesome! Those guys really take their live sound seriously. I’ve seen them in an arena (2011 & 2012). Even when I was in the nosebleed the sound was incredible. They’re very willing to adapt the stage setup to get the best sound. Germans really know how to do shit right man!
They’re all psychos too and trained pyro technicians.
Saw Rammstein in LA last year. Amazing mix just like listening to a perfectly mixed album only 10,000 times louder! Seriously it was one of the only few shows I've seen where I did not feel any kind of muddiness that's so often the case in rock/metal shows. Them Germans...
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Thank God I bumped into this video. I live in Turkey so it is financially almost impossible to buy the pit ticket or the more expensive ones. And because they're getting old, I wanna see them live once before they don't tour anymore. So I was considering buying the most affordable tickets but if that's gonna be the experience, maybe I should wait. Thank you for this video.
We had 100 level seats and it was very hard to hear vocals and kirk’s solos for sure. We were slightly under the overhang in section 106 so I attributed it to the way the sound was bouncing off of the concrete etc. Thanks for sharing. This makes sense why we couldn’t hear that well.
Glad you enjoyed and I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy Metallica
They still have a lot of time to refine the stage set and make the necessary changes. Most big bands on long world tours do that. They throw everything they can think of at a production in the beginning, then they realise what works and what doesn't and they streamline it.
At the cost of fans experiences at the Shows? I’m sorry, but that’s a cop out and unacceptable.
@@chrishammillaudioI agree
Exact same experience in Dallas, 400s section couldn’t hear Pantera at all, then when I couldn’t hear Metallica during CREEPING DEATH I was pissed. Saw them in 2021 at the same venue with a normal stage and it was the best sound of my life. Tried to go to bar areas but everyone had already frolicked down because of the horrible sound. I was eventually able to sneak down for the last 6 songs and made it for Orion to a random 100s section and just stood and could see them perfectly and it sounded beautiful. Didn’t have Sunday ticket so went to the live movie and the movie was a better experience than those 5 mile away seats for sure
Was there Sunday. Couldn't hear a thing until I went down a few levels.
You couldn't even make out Rob's 2 solo parts in Orion at Montreal Night 1. It was such a bummer.
Hey Chris, a layman of the subject here. Would you know if the acoustics of the stadium can influence this sound aspect? I read, for example, that the acoustics of the So-Fi Stadium are something "chronic"
Every venue is different. Even still, pro level sound productions have the tools to take care of any issues the room may have.
I was also there at MetLife for M72. There was an instruction email that advised getting there by 3pm, & my hubby & I did that both Friday & Sunday. We were there parked & ready before the stadium gates opened. We were also in the 300 level, but in the 3rd row from the front instead of near the back like you were. We had a totally unobstructed (although distant) view of the entire stage & all 8 towers. The sound was great where we were. Those concerts were my 15th & 16th times seeing Metallica.
It’s pretty insane that there is this inconsistency with the sound.
You are so right! I could not believe how bad it was back where Hammill was sitting.@@chrishammillaudio
You are so right! I could not believe how bad it was back where you were sitting.@@chrishammillaudio
The sound issue was the same at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, TX. I tried listening without and with Eargasm plugs. I haven’t seen them live since the Load tour. I was so excited but it was the worst concert I’ve attended due to that set design.
Fun fact, their live sound was already bad when they used a monodirectional stage. My first live gig was in the early 2000s, and I could not pound down enough beer to be able to ignore the absolute mush of noise that came out of the speakers that day. Needless to say I went home about halfway through the concert drunk as **** and went on a rant about their show for the rest of that year.
what section were you? i saw them 3 times in 2000, once in 2003, once in 2004 and the sound was pristine, from any of the sections i was...some was right in front in the GA, some from the seats.
It’s not the stage, it’s more the venue. My primary go to for concerts is the amphitheater in west palm beach. Never heard bad sound there because it is designed for music
I was there both nights and yes that traffic was absolutely horrendous..I grew up in north jersey now down south and I can tell you I hate going back up there. Besides that I sat in section 218 the first night and the sound was muddy some songs came in clearer than others but it did sound like the Soundwaves were riding over each other..sunday I did sit at the tippy top back against the concrete section 314..and it was worse..I don't remember it choing that bad tho. The worst part was the hour and 20 trying to get out of the lot both nights. Overall they put on a hell of a show and give it their all for the fans..don't know where they get the energy to go non-stop no breaks..only wish they did encores.
Question tho. How does the atmosphere affect sound waves. Wind, humidity stuff like that?
Weather had absolutely nothing to do with this level of echo and delay.
@@chrishammillaudio really? I used to go camping in Old Orchard Beach ME for the entire summer back in the 8\late 80's-90's and it was right next to the ballpark which doubled as a music venue for major acts. I saw Motley Crue there in 88/89?? There were concerts all summer long and I could remember when it was humid (which was everyday because we were 1/2 mile from the ocean) and if the wind was blowing in the direction of the music towards us, we could hear it as if we were in the parking lot. On days later into the summer where the humidity was less or none at all and no wind, it was harder to hear. I understand the line array theory you discuss and agree. When I went to see Metallica in 17 and was in the Snakepit, we were below the levels of the speakers which was awesome because my ears didn't ring for a week after the show but the sound was still amazing. I have phone audio/video from the show that is super clear.
The echoing was consistently terrible all of night 1 and all of night 2 until we moved to a better spot. It’s the physics of the speaker alignment and the stadium.
I was there for both arlington shows, like 3 or 4 people back from the stage. Sounded great, just thought kirk was mixed a little low. But overall had an incredible time
Heard the same thing when I moved to the lower section.
The USD is in the tank. It’s too expensive to do anything.
It would have cost me about $1,200 to move to the front of the 300 sections, around $1,500 to move to the very top of the 200's. Insanely expensive.
I saw them in Gothenburg back in mid June this year, and that was AMAZING sound there, though I was sitting on a fairly low level.
It was ca 70k first night, and ca 60k second night, despite fewer people the second night was far more energetic.
Another note is that the second night in Gothenburg was probably my best ever (if not second best after a Saxon show) concert experience.
As for the setlist in Gothenburg night 2 which was better than night 1, I gotta say that Whiplash is a perfect opener, and as well as I was in tears when No Leaf Clover played because it's my shared favourite Metallica with The Outlaw Torn.
The Call of Ktulu for that matter is the second most mesmerizing song to hear live, though I prefer to listen to Orion, in this case Ktulu was an (almost)unbeatable track to experience live, except for The Bard's Song by Blind Guardian.
Going to see them in Seattle next year. Already got the time off approved. I was able to to get 100 level for about $300 for my single ticket. Most I have ever spent on a ticket.
Thank you for expressing so many of our sentiments about the sound of this show. Metallica is one of my fave bands, and it was disappointing to not hear them well. We sat in the 300s Friday and in the 200s Sunday. The 300s sucked indeed and even the 200s weren’t loud enough for me. This music needs to be loud enough to enjoy and feel. Let’s hope this feedback helps them make improvements for next time. No pun intended. 🤘🏼
We were in 214 and it was awful.
When I saw Rammstein at Soldier Field last year, I was very impressed with the clarity and lack of echo from my section. A friend of mine was sitting higher up and farther away from the stage, and he had a positive experience, too.
This setup that Metallica is using is a lot like their 2000s arena setup, just a supersized version of it. Just a terrible way to do sound in that big of an environment. The arrays are just way too far away from the outer sections, for it not to echo around a football stadium.
Saw the same show (GA between main stage and the "piano" stage) and it was perfect!
My bf and I went on 8/27 at the SoFi Stadium We were literally at the top lol (552 section) he’s been a huge fan since we were teenagers! We are now in our late 30s. He was smiling from ear to ear the whole night.
I couldn’t make out what 5FDP was singing… like you said if I didn’t know the songs I wouldn’t have known what they were saying. I would never bring up the sound or anything negative about the show to my boyfriend because he’s still pumped that we saw Metallica!🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽 over all it was amazing being in the same room with them and all the fans were so nice.
As long as you guys had fun, that's all that matters. In the end I had fun despite not hearing a damn thing on Friday night.
The main difference I'm seeing in this design compared to the Black Album tour I was talking about in a previous comment, the "original snakepit" stage design use to set back at the end of the coliseums there wasn't people on the small end of the bleachers. So the crowd surrounded the stage only 3/4 of the way around. So the line array was all pointing in one general direction away from the stage.
I went to night 1 in Dallas and had the exact experience. First time seeing them and ended up being one of the worst concert experience I've ever had because of the terrible audio. Thank you for justifying my frustration.
Yesterday was the first time I saw them in concert too and it was beyond disappointing. LOVE the band but the acoustics or the venue was HORRIBLE.
I remember seeing Foo Fighters at Wembley Stadium in 2008/9 the reverberant sound was awful in the higher tiers. Vowed to avoid stadium gigs from then on, unless i could get standing tickets in front of the arrays. Like someone said, i'll always take plugs now, 1, to keep my hearing a bit longer, 2, to make the gig sound better. You do feel a bit more detached depending on the severity of attenuation, but things sound so much better!
I usually wear plugs to concerts too. Metallica for some reason was not loud enough where I needed my plugs.
Same thing happened to us at SOFI, I heard the roar of the crowd for Pantera from the car trying to get into a parking lot and pay 125 dollars… first time I see them also, but I loved every minute.
I was there friday, and you're right, the sound was horrible. The playing(minus kirk screwing up a lot), was top notch. Wvh and pantera had it worse than metallica soundwise, couldn't hear a note zakk played, so im excited to see them in va beach. I was in the nosebleeds with you. What i found strange was that on occasion i would get brief glimpses of clear audio.
Damn man that sucks. This is the first time I've heard of this happening. They use those fractal axe fx things now cause they are better for touring according to their techs. That echo would've been so annoying. You think they'd have the best people to figure out this problem. I agree btw about five finger death punch. I have no idea how they became so popular.
Oh believe me the echo was the most annoying thing ever I couldn’t ignore it no matter how hard I tried during some songs
It’s not about having the best people. Stadiums are designed to make a crowd sound loud for televised sports, which is not conducive to concerts unfortunately.
Five Finger whatever sucks. I was horrified by their music.
@@anamarijamilos1290 😭 this has nothing to do with the audio issues tho
Criminal you spend that amount of money for that audio quality. Metallica should provide full refunds for all the folks in those sections.
hearing your perspective is honestly very interesting to me, and i’m sorry you didn’t get to hear them well. i was also sat in the 300s tier both nights at metlife but i was around where the 50 yard line would be if it was an nfl game, so for where i was it actually sounded great. i guess it may just depend on how far away you’re sat from the stage as well as the other points you made
I walked around half of the stadium on the upper tiers and the sound was garbage all throughout. I'm glad you had a good spot, but you're definitely in the minority of people who sat up there and heard everything.
I was also at the 310 section both days in row 7 and I heard everything very clear and very balanced. it seems that if the seats are located higher than row 15 the sounds becomes only echoes from the other noise bleeds. its a shame you had to experience this because metallica put an amazing performance those two days!
I walked around half of the 300 sections getting to my seats. Sound was consistently crap all around.
I was in the 100 section and paid $90 for my tickets. The show was incredible and the sound was amazing. I’ve seen Metallica several times and every show was excellent. No complaints here. Also this was the first show of the North American tour. Whatever issues will be sorted out as the tour goes on. The set list was AMAZING. Battery, Master of Puppets, Creeping Death (opener) Orion, Harvester of Sorrow, Nothing else Matters. Wow 🔥🤘🖤💛
Oh, the Setlist was amazing, I will give you that. I was very happy with the songs they played. However, for a band this big, on a tour this big, the sound should’ve been taken care of immediately before the tour even began. Why bother going through all of those pre-production meetings, and set design, if the sound is not ironed out?
Who on earth wants to hear Nothing Else Matters!!?
I was also in the 100 section. I loved the show and the sound was fine. This guy is a click bate Whitney bitch.
Yet you clicked on the video and felt the need to comment. Thanks for the engagement and view, asshole 😂✌️
@@johnnyroastbeef84 🙋♂
I was in Amsterdam and had the best experience ever for a concerts. I had regular standingtickets with no early entry and literally got to stand on the second row 1meter from the stage!
Also I noticed with the Metallica clip you do. You have stereo recording. It’s noticeable when you zoom out. I’ve been trying to figure out. Isn’t that bad for recording concerts? Sometimes I get the left side muffled for no reason. Even tho I have clear sight and holding it right.
The sound on the phone recording changes when another lens is selected. I noticed that too. The echo you hear is most definitely not from the phones mics. That is exactly what I heard.
I was lucky, spent well under $400 for both nights to be on the floor. Sound was fantastic. I have been to more than a few Giants Stadium concerts and higher up they’ve always sucked. I would not go to that stadium unless I am low. I’ve learned from being there. Sorry it wasn’t great, was amazing from where I was.
Glad you had a good sound experience, but I’ve seen enough shows at MetLife to know it has potential to sound great. Rammstein was one of the best sounding shoes I’ve ever seen and I was way up in the rafters for that show too. It all comes down to how the speakers are aimed.
I couldn’t fathom seeing them now. I saw them 12 times between 1986-1998. The bookends were my favorite shows. First, opening for Ozzy on the Puppets tour about 15 feet away from Cliff. The last show, was a promo theater gig right before Garage Inc came out. An all covers set. So, that’s where I drew the line in seeing Metallica ever again. Absolutely impossible to top those two shows.
Damn what a shame! It’s not a $30 ticket, the band needs to see this, battery doesn’t even sound like battery
Hey Chris, excellent review and explanation of what was going on. I was at the Arlington, TX show on 08/20 and, like you, was unfortunate enough to be sitting between two line arrays close to the center of the field about 1/4 of the way up from the floor. Audio wasn't great at all and it took a bit to hear / comprehend what was being played.
My additional complaint is about the use of the screens during the shows. Why, when you have so many cameras focused on the band, would you spend SO MUCH time displaying ridiculous graphics rather than shots of the band performing?!?!?! I still had a pretty decent view of the band when they were on my side of the donut. But when they were on the opposite side and, for those in the nose-bleed seats, we came to see the band...not random graphics.
I've been a huge Metallica fan since the late '80s and would have really liked to hear more from their earlier years vs all the new stuff. I was paying attention to the crowd and the difference in excitement / movement / participation between something from Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning, And Justice for All and their newer stuff...it was crazy!! Almost the entire crowd just stood there like "is this song almost over?" I know they need to promote their new material...but read the audience and change things up so they get what they paid for!
Thanks for watching! And I’m sorry you had a similar experience.
in the round works great in arenas, not in huge stadiums
Identical experience last night in Arlington, Texas at AT&T stadium, just a cavernous wash anywhere above level 3, I tried to hang around the hallways of the lower levels with binoculars bc the sound was better but security periodically would move me. The floor was not filled, those tickets cost way too much. The cheap seats were packed & got the worst audio. They were shooting this show and beaming it out to movie theaters, and of course they got a good mix, so I’ll have to watch that to understand what I saw.
It’s like I was watching a Metallica show. Not at a Metallica show. Watching folks in a coliseum from a cloud aerial vantage point above the speakers up where I was disconnected from the shit. But hanging around the lower levels let me hear just how thunderous the $$$ tickets were getting.
It’s too bad capitalism is the only system we can find that works, humanity is outrageous.
Long live Metallica
Short live shit audio
Is there no roof on the stadium? Im glad i went with the single night ticket for Friday so i could get lower bowl. Two night tickets were outrageous for lower bowl. I got 20 rows back from the floor for $199 on Friday night in Detroit.
Glad you were able to enjoy at least one night of this show.
Very informative video, thank you for the review. I'm seeing them up in Boston at Gillette stadium in August for the Friday night show, I got tickets in the 100s but directly behind the end zone, you think I'll have these same echo issues ??
Hopefully not.
@@chrishammillaudio only time will tell I guess lol. Thanks again.
...yes Chris...... This band was and still is all about Money ...... Nothing else ,,,, Lot's of great underground bands out there waiting for your support !..... Here in Amsterdam was the same issues ... I wasn't there !!!! ,,,,, i've seen Metalica 10 years ago after a Slipknot set .....is like 30minutes after Metallica i says ,,,, ok , Let's go , i'm out !.... Keep it up CHRIS .....
Cheers!
Saw U2 360° at Heinz Field. They got the sound system perfectly.
I sat up top on friday at at&t stadium in dallas and had the same experience as you with the sound. On sunday I actually upgraded and basically sat floor level which made it sound so much better.
I was there in the 100 section. Fantastic show!
Was elated to see them coming to St. Louis. Was DASHED when I got the pricing profiles. I realize that "things aren't what they used to be" but my Gawd - having to shell out the money that's half a year of mortgage payments to see people who's music I revere? I hate that the "real world" has caught up with me but alas - here it is.
What a GREAT breakdown on a breakdown of technological perspectives. With the pricing in the higher ranges, this will be dealt with eventually, but what it takes - are VIDEOS LIKE THIS ONE - where there's a clear, cogent, series of facts and showcasing of the problem.
I look forward to your future videos and dude - I was so with you here when you mentioned that BLACKENED's fuse was lit. THANKS!
I was pretty much in the same location as you last night but at SoFi stadium in Los Angeles.
I think it was just the show you went to because i never heard any echo bouncing around.
Many people commenting on this video from Sofi with complaints about the sound. You probably just got lucky with your spot.
I was at that same show but I had tickets for seats in the 100 row. From where I was, there was barely any echo when they were playing. When they were just talking it was a little weird but when they played the songs it was almost perfect. I had a great time at both shows, sorry to hear you didn't on Friday.
You were in line of sight with the speakers. Glad you had a good time.
I was SO LUCKY to get to see them at Gillette Stadium in 2017. I bought G.A seats. I have been a 5th member for a long time and have made donations to AWMH. One day I received the best email. My G.A tickets had been upgraded to the SnakePit. It was the most amazing experience ever.. I chose not to get the presale tickets back when they were first released because I didn't feel I would have been able to match the the experience I had from last tour. As a lifelong Metallica fan (I'm 47) I can honestly say that I am now satisfied as a fan that I have the had the greatest experience as a fan I could possibly have had without having met Papa.. Sorry this was not the experience you had anticipated.
whats the rammstein song at 20:16? sounds absolutely insane
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