Why I love my X-Carve and WONT be getting the pro... for now.
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2020
- I love my X-Carve! I love Inventables!
But the X-carve pro feels like it missed the mark for their current customer base.
I wanted to spend a little time talking about my X-Carve and sharing some thoughts on why I won't be getting a PRO model any time soon.
X-Carve PRO Thoughts - 15:17
My Set up and Bits I use - 22:36
Upgraded Parts
TBD CNC - Risers and Stiffeners - www.tbdcnc.com/shop/x-carve-u...
CNC4Newbies Z-Axis - cnc4newbie.com/store/en/upgra...
CNC4Newbies motor - cnc4newbie.com/store/en/nema-...
Bits I use
Flattening Bit (Whiteside) - amzn.to/2UsH6EF
Whiteside 1/4" Downcut - amzn.to/3np05fD
Whiteside 1/8" Downcut - amzn.to/3kC9zSV
EnPoint 1/8" Aluminium - amzn.to/3pwNI32
Freud Bowling Bit - amzn.to/38I50US
Whiteside 11 degree V-Carve Bit - amzn.to/38Ivjuj - Навчання та стиль
Thank you so much for making this video. It was super helpful for someone who's on the fence about what to buy.
Just subscribed to your channel, based entirely on the statement "if you want to hear about xcarve pro, go to the time in the description below." I didn't, but I appreciated you trying to make the viewing of the video efficient for folks to came to hear about the xcarve pro. thanks!
Haha you’re awesome! Thanks for the comment and compliment I appreciate it!
Excellent video and honestly, the fold up idea was worth visiting alone! We're going to be adding the X-Carve or similar to our garage shop soon and this was great information.
Thank you! The fold up was born out of necessity but because the best function piece in my little space. If you have more space for a dedicated machine with some floor space there are some killer units suggested in the comments below from other people. Also Inventables purchased TBD CNC and they now have an upgrade package for $500 that has everything i have plus some more. I spent over 1000 and still am going to spend another $200 to upgrade my belts and motors.
Thank you for your honest opinion. I’ve been looking for something like this for awhile now. I currently have the glowforge and love it but I’ve always wanted a CNC router.
Glad I could help! I have a glowforge too! We got the X-carve and it did so well we bought the bullet and sent for the glowforge. They are so different but do really compliment one another well. A lot of projects from off the X-Carve and head into the glowforge. I 100% believe the x-carve is worth every penny if you make repetitive things, or cut odd shapes. I use it for everything. This video was just some of my favorites about it but if you ever have any specific questions feel free to reach out!
@@DoThingsMakeStuff are you located in California? I’m in the Central Valley. I would love to talk with you more about the X-carve.
Great information & video. Thank you!
I was on the fence about a cnc for a while! Deciding which to get was insane there are so many options. So I got a 3d printer in December 2018 to get my feet wet in a plotting machine type thing.. fast forward to end of 2019 somewhere in the beginning of 2019 I caught the 3d printer bug and December 2019 and 15 3d printers later i went with the X carve because it seemed like the most complete system, and I liked that Inventables actually listens to the users. I'm glad I got it, they make it SO easy to get going and literally jump right and and start rockin, Easel is super easy to use, it was a good choice in my opinion. I was totally going to jump on the pro but eh I'm kinda right there where you are, bit too much $ and there are cheaper routes so I won't be getting one after all. I will be getting a bigger machine with lead screw drive all around and linear rails. Thought I'd chime in since you had me through the entire video. Cheers and happy carving ✌
Dude thanks for the comment! Love 3D printing and I have one myself as well. Just a ender 3 but it works great! Thanks for chiming in, I appreciate it!
I dono if anyone saw today, but TBD CNC was purchased by X-Carve, and they are now working together to upgrade your X-Carve. New Easel Pro features are being added, like Tiling, which is great for everyone, I need to rewatch the video, but it sounds like some good stuff is coming for the X-Carve!
I saw that. I have a first generation X-Carve and I tried to purchase the Y axis stiffeners like you have from TBD CNC and I can't. Then I went to the Inventables website and I don't see them offered there either. I would really like to get them as I've also replaced the original X axis with the better one found on Gen 2 X-Carves, have a new Z axis similar to yours and I also have the 2" riser end plates. Do you know of any other supplier for those?
I like how when you say you have a small shop, you really mean it. Lol im on my 3rd summer of woodworking in a 1 car garage and i really appreciate guys like you making it work. Lets me see how it is possible.
I only work spring n summer because ill freeze my ass during the cold months hah
Really really wanting tonoull trigger on this. But i am just getting interested in cnc so ill wait a bit..
Good stuff tho!! Thx
Thanks for the comment! Small shop is no joke! I'm getting ready to move and have the opportunity to build a shop which I'm really excited about. I keep watching other guys who work in 1 car garages and their shops are so clean and organized. Mine is 50% scrap pile and 25% " i had to put this over there so I can work over here" haha. Being in CA most of the time the garage is good except in those hot summer days when its over 100 in the garage and the cold months if I need to pour some epoxy.
CNC stuff is super cool. for a small shop X-carve is probably the way to go. If you have more floor space their are better options but my fold up table top is what works for me!
Thanks for the honest feedback as a guy that bought one, versus being given one. I tried to read through the comments before asking this question but didn’t see anything in the video or in the comments. Which version of Easel do you run?
There really is only one version but Easel Pro gives you the ability to save custom bit sizes as well as change the cut fill directions. I do use Easel Pro and I question it all the time. But I do use different bits and normally change the fill direction to match the grain as much as possible. I found it to be a smoother cut will less sanding in the end!
Other than those two things I don't think there is any difference. Or at least if there is I don't know what they are! I would run it with the free easel and if you run into a headache or want the ability to save some settings then by all means upgrade! I've downgraded and upgrade a few times :-)
Your video is perfect. Well done
Great vid on the X Carve and your upgrades. I am pretty sure you can tile with the X Carve. Also I watched a video of an expanded X Carve to 1800mm. I have an X Carve that I haven't built yet but bought some up grade parts to install when I do. I also have a Gatton CNC that I bought and am building it to hold a half sheet of Ply. You should look into it just to give you ideas. I am installing a water cooled spindle instead of a router. All said and done on the Gatton I have invested about 27 to 3 G. Liked and subbed.
Thats awesome! I will look into it thanks for the info!
Props for speaking the truth. The price is outrageous! I have an avid CNC 4x8 and it ran me around $14k I think and it’s superior in every way to the x-carve. I hope they decide to keep doing promos because I truly believe that once that $12k price takes off they won’t be selling anymore.
Thanks for the comment! I hope it stays at that promo price! So far they are making it sound like it will go away at the end of the year but we will see!
Great video. Have been looking at the 4x2 pro and the x carve. Guess your video is a few years old now so the x carve price has gone up a bit. I currently have an epilog laser and am looking at a CNC machine to compliment it
Thanks for the great video! I was considering Pro as my next purchase but I might as well upgrade the one I have ! Would you mind sharing the details of the upgrades and where I can purchase them? Thanks again for very informative video!
Thanks for the comment! The z axis is from CNC4Newbies - cnc4newbie.com/store/
TBD CNC is where the stabilizers I ordered are from but after talking to more people I would keep the stock hight on the side rails with stabilizers as then do the 2" raise from CNC 4 Newbies - cnc4newbie.com/store/en/upgrade-kits/xcarve/xcarve-risers-p98c77c66/
www.tbdcnc.com/
Thank you.
You're welcome! Thanks for the comments!
Tiling works great on this version of the xcarve if you’re using Vcarve Pro.
I need to
Learn that so bad
Thank you for your comments. I too felt the NEW X-Carve is over priced. I'd order the Chinese 1212 Blue Elephant before the new X-Carve. It is $2000 plus shipping is another $3500 to a port closest to my house and even then I'd need to either pick it up myself or have it trucked here. Still beats $12,000 big time. I can't afford either right now but if I were in the market...
Awesome ill have to look at that!
I was thinking about the new x-carve pro as well but I have done so many upgrades to current machine I just don't think I could accomplish massive cuts on thr Pro. The 1800mm side rails were a game changer.
1800 oooooh nice!
Hey can you post a video about your fold out design you did for this? Thanks!!!
I moved and took the table off the wall but I’ll see if I can find something similar to show you!
Thanks you
Thank you too! Hope it was helpful
This was legit! Exactly what I needed. I recently inherited a handful of woodworking tools and have decided to go all in and become a woodworker. I'm in the process of building a 12x16 woodshop in my backyard and decided that I would treat myself to one pricier tool so I can hit the ground running and decided on a CNC machine. Although I'm a newbie, I'm fairly techie (Illustrator, SketchUp, etc.) so ramping up shouldn't be too hard. So now it's all about finding the most robust, yet cost-effective option. I was sort of leaning towards the Maker Made M2 at around $1000, but this might be worth the added investment. Although it won't do as large of pieces, seems like it will be more accurate with better detail. If I'm off-base with any of that, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
Jody yes! I’m so excited for you! I think you’re right on! If you know illustrator and sketch up you’re there! The best stage of learning will be bits but that involves some trial and error. I would spend the extra little bit and get the 1000mm machine if you can make it fit. I’m in a one car garage so making it fit is tough. Having a fold down multi use table top was a game changer for me! Good luck and I would love to talk more any time! Please reach out!
Hey Jody.....I'm converting my 12x16 shed out back to a wood working shop as well....I'm still in the process of building out my work benches. I would really like to see how your setup is coming along in your woodshop.
@@RobbyOtts Oh man, I would so love to show you, buuuuut, I haven't made an ounce of progress on it since getting the concrete slab poured a month ago. Still trying to get through the rainy season here in Seattle. Hit me up again in, I dunno, August? haha (This is killing me.)
I 100% agree with you
Thank you!
I can’t agree with you more. I appreciate the truth.
Thanks I appreciate that!
I would like to see a list of your DIY upgrades, could you make that available?
All the upgraded parts are in the description. Inventables just came out with an upgrade kit by TBD CNC for $500 that I would buy in a heart beat if I was starting all over. Way cheaper than what I did and just as good or better.
I believe you are spot on with the price assessment. Inventables missed the target completely. The pro is not a 12k machine. It just isn't.
Well I had an inkling that it would never be that price and its now 38% of instead of 40% off. I'm really thinking thats the permanent price.... I hope so at least.
Hey, just came across your video on the X carve pro. It was very timely as I am looking at purchasing an x carve. Also, your upgrades are the most succinct I have seen.
Would you be willing to share how are you price out work that you do as piece of work. That is, someone asks you to cut some shapes from of a piece of material. Not a full blown build: plaque, build a table, or something like that. Even if not specific per piece/hour dollar amount, how are you price that differently than a project. I regret I haven’t had time to go through all of the comments on your videos. You might have answered this before. Looking forward to enjoying your channel.
Thanks for the comment! pricing out piece work is something I'm not he best at honestly. The guys on the Made for Profit podcast have an excel sheet they sell I'm to to buy to help me out. I normally have a base rate in my head, meaning how much I want to make per day the project takes me. I also know that I'm not Ikea prices and I'm not able to price things as high as a full time shop would. I think it comes down to what I need to make per day that the project is going to take me and then I can divide it out from there based on the pieces. I make some little photo holders and charged $6 a piece because I was making 200 of them. Once I get it set up I knew I could knock them out real quick and then most of time was spend in the laser where I'm hands off since the machine does all the work.
So a formula would be somewhere in the Day Rate x Days Divided by Pieces.
Also thanks for the compliment on the X-Carve!
@@DoThingsMakeStuff thanks for the reply. Im probably looking at more like 10 pieces. I like the day rate calculation. I had forgotten to consider that approach.
I will look into the spreadsheet as well.
Also time and material costs have to work into the equation. I have a buddy who owns a 3D printing company and he doesn't go off of machine time but more so on material costs since machine time for him is kinda irrelevant.
Thanks for the honest video. My question is about the tablet. Which one is it and does it add any limitations to the setup. Is it capable of sending instructions at least as fast as the cnc can work them. I know.... words hard.
So the computer processing power to run Gcode is super super minimal. I really thought about using something like micro computer but then you need a screen so a tablet makes sense for my set up that folds up and down. If I had a permanent set up I would maybe do something slightly different, but same idea. Minimum requirements are windows 10 or higher. Needs a USB port.
This is the one I have - amzn.to/3gucL2A
It only has 32gigs of storage which isn't enough. I don't keep anything at all on the computer but updates alone have fulled up the memory so I had to go in and delete stock software that I never use.
Today I would purchase this - amzn.to/39SVNd7
Little larger screen, double the memory.
I also have a wireless mouse and keyboard which go in a drawer that are really helpful
Thanks for the info. I like the idea of not using a full blown pc or laptop given the environment. Dust and such from all tools. Tablet seems a little more sealed and the touch screen has to be a plus.
Thanks again,
/\/\ike.
Can you do a video on how you flatten boards with x-carve
yup I can do that! I was thinking about making some more X-Carve videos if people are down for them.
Nice Video and good advice! I love my x-carve 1000 x 1000. I too will not be upgrading as my current machine will do everything I need it to do. I love to do 3D carving on it and use V-Carve Desktop and import the file into Easel and run it from there. Yes, the machine will pay for itself in just a few short months. Best.
Thanks for the comment! At some point here I'm going to sit down and start learning 3D Carving. Feels like there are so many things that having that ability would be a great add to my skill toolbox! Did you go anywhere specific to learn 3D carving techniques?
@@DoThingsMakeStuff I tried to watch some youtube videos, but really learned on my own. I was thinking about creating a youtube video on my work flow from selecting my .stl file (project) to the finish carve.
@@briandowns990 I would watch that!
I agree with you. I think most serious hobbyists have a machine spec’d out very similar to yours. Mine is 😎
Right on! Well today they announced the same set up I have as an upgrade which I appreciate. I think thats the way the machine should start to come from now on. They also added some larger steppers and 9mm belts which I will be updating as soon I finish up my move!
Great video, would you be able to provide a link to stiffeners that you use?
Ah yes so sorry I need to go add those to the description! I purchased them from here - www.tbdcnc.com/ I also purchased the 2" risers at the same time. He also sells all the belt upgrades if need be and a Z Axis upgrade. I decided to go with the CNC4Newbies instead!
@@DoThingsMakeStuff I maybe have a suggestion for you...can you mount the x-carve sideways?? You said you wanted to use it to flatten slabs...if you mount it sideways you could push the slabs through the end of the machine..just a thought..
@@justkiddin1980 Yup I almost did that initially but I cant in the space I'm in. Also, long slabs that I have to push through would be better with a sled because figuring out level and flat would be a tough game to play!
I build guitars and I've been doing inlay work on a small CNC for a while. I'm about to upgrade to a machine that will do bodies and necks and after a year of hemming and hawing over the Shapoeko vs X-Carve I was thrilled when they came out with the Pro - until I saw the price. One thing I'm not sure you mentioned was that by pricing this thing over 10 grand they have gone WAY over machines that are superior in quality and features - Machines like Laguna and Shopcraft have CNCs that have auto bit changers and 4x8 capacity and full tables etc...for like 7-8 grand. And that doesn't include buying used industrial stuff. The reality is that even a pro-level shop could spend 8-9 grand and have a far superior machine. So for someone like me who actually builds guitars for a living (wife has a really good job!) I would never spend 12 grand on a machine when I could spend 5 and get all the same features. To me, the entry-level machines top out at about 3 grand. After that, you start getting into some real quality stuff like Axiom. Just my thoughts.
Agreed! Or go with the base machine and get the upgrade package which brings the machine to where mine is today for much less than I spent!
I was about to pull the trigger on the pro until I saw your video and rethought my woodworking. What is the best way to reach out to you regarding a question?
You can DM me on Instagram! @dothingsmakestuff or email me dothingsmakestuff@gmail.com
Hey Man, figured I'd chime in here with some added info: the Easel software is built to work for the x-carve CNC and, as of now, the x-carve is still actually based off an open-source firmware called GRBL. This means that you can use Easel to control any other CNC machine that uses the GRBL firmware. For example, my company produces a CNC called the LongMill that is very similar to the x-carve but addresses all the issues you bring up in this video: supporting the Y-axes, adding more clearance, screw driven on each axis. Our CNC and many others can be controlled using Easel the same as you would an x-carve. Just thought I'd mention it since it seems from your other comments that you believe easel can only be used if you have an x-controller 👍
Thank you for that! My knowledge of how the processing and movement aren't super deep. So those other machines come with their own controllers, then? As long as you update the machine's code to the proper steps per inch, etcetera etcetera, then the Easel software will work. Sorry, I don't know who you are, but I'm curious what machines you have or produce since you said "our CNC." Would love to add move machines and info to the discussion since the CNC4Newbies has really been the main one recommended by others!
@@DoThingsMakeStuff Yeah exactly, the other CNCs have their own controllers and if they're set up to work for GRBL firmware then Easel will work, just as using a more advanced software will work if you use the GRBL post-processor for those programs. My name's Chris and my company is Sienci Labs (sienci.com/) and you could check out our LongMill machine design there. Me and my co-founder started 5 years ago with the aim of continuing to advance the quality and functionality of CNC machines available to the hobby market - at the time the only big options were the X-carve and Shapeoko and we felt those designs could be improved upon. I think the CNC4Newbie options are also pretty great, it really depends on who you are and what you're looking for :)
whwn folding, how do you support the x-axis carry rail-bridge (o that it neither slides aong the Y-axis, or the spindle torque the Y-axis rails from weight biasing toward the wall?
I use these rubber gear ties - amzn.to/3giW9e5
I wrap them on either end attaching the carriage to the side rails around the end riser. Thats all I do and its been great for years!
I looked at X carve but ended up going with CNC4Newbie since it was a Pro grade setup for less than Xcarve and no belts. I drive it hard and fast and it works great.
Great to hear!!!! I feel like many people are talking about it here but no one has one! What software do you use to design and run the machine?
Smart guy.
@@DoThingsMakeStuff I am using Vectric Aspire. Go to the Vectic website and download the Trial Version of their products so that you can play with it. The only thing you cant do is output G code
@@DoThingsMakeStuff If you want to know more about the CNC4NEWBIE join the owners group on FB and pick the master brains there
Is that the stock stock boot
How often do you have to replace the bits? I'm definitely gettign one of these, just wondering if I should buy a couple extra sets of bits*obvisouly its going to depend on how often its used, i'll be putting it to work!*
Most of the bits I broke were in the beginning because of user error. I don’t think I’ve broken a bit in a year or two. I’ve worn a few out but that takes some time. Soooo yes buy a couple extra to learn with. And I would but a 1/8” down cut with the 1/4” shank I listed in the video description. I’d your cutting large stock grab a 1/4” down cut or compression.
@@DoThingsMakeStuff awesome, thanks for taking the time!
Your vid popped up in my feed, and having a Pro I was curious as to your thoughts. It is an expensive machine, but I will note its still not full priced during the presale. It's not as steep of a discount as it was initially but still a bargain at just over $7k for the 4x4. That's a ton of money, I get that, but like your OG x-carve it will pay for itself if you used it to do so. You stated the Pro is 25% faster, and that's way off the mark. Its more like 400 to 600% faster based on the job. That speed and ability to do those 1/4", 1/2", 3/4" passes is the reason why its a game changer imo. Even for a hobbyist or someone who isn't a full production shop like me. What it means is during your normal wood shop workflow it presents opportunities for quick iteration that wasn't previously there bc the OG x-carve would've taken too long to make it useful. Cutting templates, routing c channel grooves, building cabinets and drawers, and the list goes on. The precision of the Pro is off the charts as well. I am sponsored by Inventables but I will only work with companies I truly believe in. Its really amazing, and by far the most useful tool in my shop.
Hey thanks for chiming in man! The 25x not 25% was off of their advertising and emailing with their team. My assumption was that 25x was the peak on some really specific movement. They mentioned cutting 3/4" depth with a 1/4" bit which is super impressive. Right now I can cut 1/8" with my upgrades but the feed rate is around 45 in/m so its hard to compare not knowing their advertised feed rates. My video assessment was more geared toward their full advertised retail price of 12K but still 7k feels light. I think there is a major software piece of that price and that I do understand. Easel is so simple to use and accessible for anyone to jump in with no knowledge and make killer stuff!
Don't get me wrong I would love to have one. When I move into a bigger shop and my needs increase it will be a conversation my wife and I have again. Assuming 38% off is their new retail price... which I hope it is.
Thanks for the watch and comment!
If Inventables gave me a Pro on the house, I'd be all pom poms and cheers too.
If I were to upgrade from my xcarve, I would rather consider the Shapeoko Pro (2020) which a considerable price. I like your upgrade, been looking at that but yet haven’t justified the purchase as I don’t mill that tall material.
The Shapeoko does look very nice! Yea its a minimal upgrade if you don't need the hight. I think the accuracy is a little higher, the bottom of a cut seems to be smoother and more even which saves time on sanding. But, the larger material hight was really why I went for it. Thanks for the comment!
Just wondering what tablet you are using to run easel. Thanks
So the computer processing power to run Gcode is super super minimal. I really thought about using something like micro computer but then you need a screen so a tablet makes sense for my set up that folds up and down. If I had a permanent set up I would maybe do something slightly different, but same idea. Minimum requirements are windows 10 or higher. Needs a USB port.
This is the one I have - amzn.to/3gucL2A
It only has 32gigs of storage which isn't enough. I don't keep anything at all on the computer but updates alone have fulled up the memory so I had to go in and delete stock software that I never use.
Today I would purchase this - amzn.to/39SVNd7
Little larger screen, double the memory.
I agree with you bro.. I ordered mine and then decided to cancelled my pre-order and decided to get the cnc4newbie upgrade instead. I think if the Xcarve was closer to 4K I would have gone through with it. But at 6K I can build a much capable machine.. not to mention, for 11K !
That’s exactly where I landed. You won’t be disappointed with the z axis upgrade! I have to do way less sanding since getting it. My only issue now is dust collection. The “suck it” doesn’t fit right anymore so I need to make some modifications to make it happen
@@DoThingsMakeStuff I just ordered the new carve 4545 Model (51inx52in) from cnc4newbie, got a 2.2Kw spindle, all new stepper motors nema 23 - 269oz and wiring kit, all for $2600. And the best part is that I get to use my own Xcarve Controller that I'm used to.
@@gustavoespinoza9834 Wait what... you can use the XController? That means you can use easel too!? Holy smokes!
@@DoThingsMakeStuff yes sir!!!!!
It was a no brainier for me... And for the spindle there is a ton of info and videos out there . Including in their Facebook group.. o basically got a Xcarve on steroids for 1/3 of the price
Shoooooot. Yea One day when I can move into a bigger space in the future that is exactly what I will probably do. Dang Thank you!!!
Hey I was thinking about getting one and I feel you gave some great information. Can you add a laser engraving head to it and if so do you know what and where to get it thanks.
Hey! Yes there are some aftermarket companies adding laser capabilities. J Tech Photonics makes one for the x-carve. The biggest issue would be safely removing the toxic fumes from laser engraving. You would need so really great smoke extraction to safely use it. I have a glowforge and love that they are separate machines but 100% wish my laser was bigger like the x-carve. So that kinda answers and hopefully points you in some good directions!
@@DoThingsMakeStuff There are also 2 other companies that I am aware of that make add-on lasers for the X-Carve Endurance Lasers and Opt Lasers which I went with the Opt Lasers laser and it is awesome. Keep up the videos. Thanks for your post.
@@EverythingXCarve thanks for the comment and encouragement
Have you tried or considered using a laser burner, etcher, cutter at all?
absolutely! The X-carve became to slow for the signs that we were making so we switched over to a glowforge and its made a world of difference. We're getting to the point now where the glowforge is too slow and I actually started looking into an epilog this week. Scary to infest that kind of money into something but as her business grows its becoming more necessary.
I would say that they very much so do different things. They compliment each other really well but as I worked with both they really are made for different things!
I have this unit in the shopping cart and was about to purchase until I got to around the 20 minute mark. You mention that this unit is $1800, but the current price is $2299, roughly 20% less. Am I missing a discount somewhere? Promo code?
That’s probably just my bad, I got it a while ago and thought that’s what it was. Get it! You’ll love it!
It is funny that Inventibles did pretty much all of the upgrades you did.
Yup and now it’s cheaper than what I spent so just buy their kit!!!
I need to upgrade my belt to the GT3 and I’ll have almost exactly their full upgrade kit
It’s like their watching……. Maybe they should give me a pro and prove that it’s actually better. Just saying
Can you carve a hand written letter onto a board with this machine?
Absolutely I’ve done a few. The machine isn’t the limitation, you would need to scan it and use a program like adobe illustrator to trace it and save it as a svg file.
We literally have the exact same machine lol, upgraded z and risers/stiffeners. That’s literally all you need.
It makes a BIG difference right!?
I love the "WE" Pete on the Isle of Wight
I dont get it?
Add wheels and you can move it where you want while your cutting
For sure, I have a buddy that did this but for me in my little garage its not an option!
Thanx - learned a lot. But I have a basic question... can the X-carve cut out individual pieces (eg. the drawer fronts for a toolbox) or does it only carve? I want to be able to make accurate & reproducible parts to later hand assemble and join. Could you let me know? Appreciated.
Yes absolutely, I would say that is its simplest function. Thats where you can jump on to a 1/4" bit and crank the feed rates up a bit as long as you have the stiffeners. I'm going to do another video this week that shows me using the X-carve doing some basic cutting that may answer some questions for you!
@@DoThingsMakeStuff Thanks! But remember, I don't have one -- just in planning phase -- so you have to expand on "stiffeners" for me...
Totally realized that, I talked about it in the video and showed them somewhere. I’ll go scrub it and look when it was. I purchased them from TBD customs and what they do is add strength and support to the Y axis on both sides. When you start moving a little quicker the machine can vibrate causing a rougher cut on the edge. These tighten that right up and would be easier Installed from the start.
It’s the pieces of aluminum sticking up on the sides of the machine holding the side rails. The machine doesn’t come like that
www.tbdcnc.com/shop/x-carve-ultimate-upgrade-kit
About to purchase an xcarve like yours and was told to just skip it and get a cnc4newbies machine. What are your thoughts?
Honestly didn’t even know they had a machine? I know they have a full upgrade kit that I would really love to get, but you still need the x controller I believe? Don’t hold me to that, I need to go research that now.
Oh my goodness yes! I just looked it up and yup. yup yup thats probably what I would get. But.... you would have to learn to use a program that Generates G-Code like V-Carve Pro or Fusion 360. A good chunk of what Inventables is selling is access to Easel, software and firmware updates and ease of use. So that is a major factor. X-Carve and Easel is turn key and anyone can do it. With the CNC4Newbies you have to learn software and be much more of a student of the CNC process.
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Thank you so much. I really appreciate it!
I'm thinking about purchasing one of these. It's my first cnc. Anything I need to watch out for?
Looking at a used one? Honestly they are really simple machines. I would just ask questions about use and if they modified anything. Everything is replaceable and upgradable pretty easily. I had no experience with CNC or 3D printing before getting one of these and realized pretty quickly that they are simply to operate. I would make sure there is no slop with the wheels but those are adjustable also. If you're up for something besides an X-carve there are some really great options people have written about in the comment sections. Just know the X-Carve is a basic introductory CNC machine. With patience and some learning it can do really amazing things!!!!
@@DoThingsMakeStuffGet a dust shoe ASAP
I just bought my x carve 1000mm. i am putting it together now. Where can I get those side rails.
www.tbdcnc.com/shop/x-carve-ultimate-upgrade-kit
These are the ones I got but to keep your stock hight get these ones!!! - www.tbdcnc.com/shop/stiffeners
Also they are selling the Pro for $6,000 not $12. What are your thoughts on that?
$6000 is their introductory price is what they are saying. Goes way up Dec. 6 to the almost $12K mark. For $6 I thought long and hard about it and it’s not worth it for me. For $12 it’s not even a conversation starter.
Have you looked at the Onefinity? It is $2000 , ball screws, and doesn't need an external computer for control.
I will now! Thanks for the tip!
im not a fan of the onefinity it has no frame/structure/weight to it... and has very small underpowered stepper motors as well as underpowered stepper drivers and power supply...its better than the xcarve for sure but i would not buy it...one feature i do like is it is standalone pc-less design @@DoThingsMakeStuff
I don't know if you mentioned that the Pro comes mostly assembled and is not a kit.
I didn't mention it but it does say that its a few larger pieces for quicker assembly!
Thanks for the review! Do you know if it works with Mac computers?
Absolutely!! I design everything on my Mac and get it all set up. I run it on the cheap tablet just so my laptop isn’t covered in sawdust
@@DoThingsMakeStuff thanks for info! I just ordered one! Thanks man!
@@Painfulwhale360 an x-carve! Right on!! Have so much fun!
@@DoThingsMakeStuff would you have any recommendation on a certain brand of bits? I’m planning to cut .75 maple out of a 12”x12” piece and I’m just cutting out image trace objects. Looking for a good uncut bit to where I can get the best and quickest cut on maple
@@Painfulwhale360 I’ve had really good luck and longevity with whiteside bits. Armana makes some good stuff too but I only have one or two of their bits. If I’m cutting out something hard and larger I use a 1/4” bit and make sure I change the cut line to outside instead of on the line.
They have tiling on Easel Pro
They do now yes! at the time of the video they did not. I haven't tried it yet have you? Any luck? I spoke with them before the release and asked for some sort of referencing marks to be added into the system for tiling.
I just go my machine a few weeks ago and I'm still learning. I am still working out the bugs. I had a dip in my waste board and had to add MDF under the board, then I glued playing cards to the MDF just to make it level. I think adding references points will be next after I make some bump stops.
I use Makita router it has variable speed on it.
The dewalt 611 does as well but from everything i've read the lowest setting is still a little too fast for the cut rate.
Just going to throw this out there... my understanding is you're not buying the pro because you've already upgraded your older x carve to mimic the new pro, plus they'll be sending you the tile feature to try on yours, plus you have a friend with a huge CNC if you need it. So, me personally, I don't have an old x carve that I've updated like you have, I don't have the tile feature being sent to me for free, and I don't have a friend with a huge 10x10 CNC. I've never had one before and I want to make 1 purchase and get the best I can, so I went ahead and bought the pre order X Carve Pro. Just my 2 cents!
For sure! If I was starting from scratch I would do the same thing! The tile feature them made it seems like everyone would be getting at some point and as others have said it's available if you use other software than easel. So yes if I was starting new today and I would almost 100% go with the pro!
what is the cutting denentions possible with that machine
31"x31". Can can pass through now which can increase that but the bed is 31x31!
There are some people that makes extended rails so you can upgrade the machine and increase the dimensions. If you have plans to do that then you might as well just buy the larger machine from CNC4Newbies though.
Update time?
My update would be to buy the x-carve with their full upgrade package. It feels like right after this video they purchased TBD and I spent 3x what they have put into a kit for under $1000 bucks as a add on. If you need more capability than that I would look into other machines, many listed in the comments below. I love x-carve and inventables but the pro I still feel is a miss.
Would you buy the X-Pro while it’s on sale for $6000?
Nada, I talked with my wife a ton and we decided no. If I had a business that was driven by my xcarve then I would really consider it.
Look at the Onefinity
Wow that machine looks amazing. Love the rails and a screw drive the entire way. Looks like it might be much stronger than the x-carve. I wonder how the vibrations are with hollow shafts. Seems like they should be solid? Also this machine is intended to be portable which is super interesting. Do you have one?
17:15 Watch out, the X-Carve Pro is using Ball Screws not Lead Screws, there is a difference in Backlash and especially a huge difference in price.
Still the X Carve pro and also the normal X carve are both absolutely overpriced for what they actually are
I run mine fast and hard too. no problems. the pro is too much $$$$
I've looked at the X-Carve Pro and you'd be better with a 48x48 machine from cnc4newbie!
X-Carve Pro is way over priced and underpowered. A 1.5kw spindle with ¼" bits are going to be slow. Cnc4newbie NewCarve would be a much better value and with a 2.2kw spindle much more of a workhorse or get a 4x8 machine from cnc4newbie for less than the X-Carve Pro!!
I just learned about that from another comment! I completely agree!!!!
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It is really simple, the x carve pro is just way too expensive..There are other units that are cheaper that are the same or better in quality..
Yup!
Wow....I just watched a video and the guy absolutely hated the machine.
Addendum, he was bitching most about the software, but he did say he had issues getting it to work at all.
Really? I haven't seen much but I also haven't been looking! ill have to take a look!
Guys the pro will NEVER be listed for the 12k this is basic rudimentary marketing. They’ve literally made up a number, pretend to cross it out and “give you a deal” this tactic has been used for years a d it’s one that works. The most basic form of marketing. The machine clearly isn’t worth it so pretending anyone will ever have to pay that is misleading.
Well they would probably sell more if they didn't say so. I think people started looking elsewhere when they advertised those prices to compare what a real $12000 machine could do. So if that is their plan then it might not have worked in their favor
I do not recommend buying a xcarve ......I like your aftermarket purchased z axis.and added height and y stabilizers...all should be standard on xcarve..shame shame on mr inventables...Yes the millright mega v xl is an awesome machine way way better and more capable than xcarve..fast as heck with rack pinion design...and cheaper priced than xcarve...i own a xcarve and Simply said stock xcarve is junk period.and compared to competitors at same price point out there there is no intelligent reason to purchase one currently...if you go into forums with experienced cnc'ers like cnczone they laugh at the xcarve machine design/build. .Fyi...any cnc machine can tile....the software is what tells machine to tile....even with my crappy flimsy xcarve ive done a 12ft sign....u dont need the overpriced xcarve pro to tile....Yes..urs is not an xcarve.. a stock xcarve will not perform like your cnc...urs is heavily modified with about $1000 in added modifications which gives false expectations...any cnc router can do what an xcarve csn do and do it better..xcarve is not special nor unique...stock xcarve is crap period...it was ok option 5 years ago but no longer...the millright mega v xl ...bulkman workbee 1515...ebay 6090 w 4th axis...cnc newbie newcarve...all are far superior options at about same price and lower....stock 1000mm (30inx30in) xcarve is underpowered...too small...flimsy.built not rigid...too much flex....horrible z axis..rubber belt crap...limited z clearance...tiny stepper motors...its simply overpriced junk compared to other machines in same class.....xcarve pro is a joke...about 3-4x overpriced.....fyi you should not have to upgrade a 2000.00 machine to make it work properly...xcarve needs to redesign the machine to be proper and keep it at same price.....i like the flip up table but having xcarve stored in upright position is a bad idea...its not dedigned to be in that position and its not good for the machine....inventables is great at marketing ...they spend a lot of money on brainwashing people with their ridiculous advertising tactics...they need to invest more into making a better product that is as good or better than competitors at same price point...
Thanks for the input!
no problem..making people aware of facts can help in decision making..so hopefeully noone will make the mistake i made in buying a xcarve .
Thats not an xcarve...too many modifications....please dont call it an xcarve.....millright mega v xl is far superior.
Are you saying mine isn't an x-carve? The only real modification is the Z-Axis....Or are you saying the Pro Isn't? The Millright looks nice though!