I just wanted to congratulate the whole Inventables crew on the X-Carve Pro. The design looks amazing, sturdy and very sleek. I'm also glad you decided to go big. I was in complete shock when i first saw the video on your website. I watched it probably 5 times and had co workers come over that are interested in CNC and watched their jaws drop as well. It's super cool and will be getting one at some point as I just got the 1000mm X-carve so the pockets are empty right now. That pro looks wicked cool!!! can't wait to see what others make with it. I love the CNC community because they are all so creative and helpful. Anyway it looks awesome. Please make more videos of it so I can drool over them even more.
The Onefinity would be another option for starting entrepreneurs, discovered it couple days ago and have my eyes on it as my upgrade from my 2018 Xcarve.
@@TPNL1 what would you recommend? Besides buying each component, looking into rails as I already have the control board. Fuyu linear rails with the stepper motors also looks like a good option for an upgrade.
I just got an X-Carve. I'm putting it together in the evenings and reworking my shop so I can house and store it vertically. I can't wait to fire it up! Maybe I will need a bigger machine later. Who knows?
It'll be interesting to see how well the feature that allows you to use a workpiece larger than the tooling footprint will work. Usually infinite-axis machines use a form of conveyor, that way the distance the workpiece moved is actually measured. I wouldn't be surprised if there's quite a few teething issues doing this but without a machine-measured movement; especially when human error and user error are considered.
Its ridiculous how many companies like this, step craft and avid cnc selling these toys not that rigid for crazy prices as compared to a robust cast iron chinese ones. I bought a 6ft x 4ft cut area cnc router with 3kw water cooled spindle, large linear rails and beefy frame with cast iron beam x axis as well as vacuum bed and pump (shipped from china with duties and all costs $8500 USD) I got lucky found one brand new not never been used stored for 8 years for like 3500 USD. These toys are for people who have money and no brains.
@@NERVESxxOFxxSTEEL The only concerns of Chinese machines are tolerances, repeatable accuracy, fit and finish, and longevity. Chinese mini lathes come to mind, and there's an entire community around those just for upgrading them to what should be standard, and there's entire series on fixing the issues with them. There's huge tradeoffs with quality when you buy from Chinese origins. But I do agree that the pricing from companies like Inventables, Stepcraft, etc. is a bit ridiculous. Hopefully we'll see what happened to 3D printers happen to desktop CNC machines; initial high prices and worthless promises on cheap machines, then an overall price drop across the market as more and more companies pop up. Really the only no-compromise solution is to build a machine yourself. Cost of a Chinese machine but with greater quality. I've also been curious about looking into things like the Shaper Origin, a handheld router that's machine assisted to produce CNC-like cuts, and the Goliath CNC, which is just a router on omni-wheels. Maybe the realistic solution to having a super affordable machine while having unrealistically high quality is to put a machine on wheels and have what's basically two infinite axes. For wood and sheet goods, at least, true 3D Machining would never work with this method.
Providing a laser attachment and unlimited pro software with the price, it might have a chance. Right now, you are able to upgrade the rails from third parties, laser attachment (Endurance laser or JTech laser) and free advanced software (Fusion 360 free!) for under 1K and still be under the total price of 3K. Maybe this price might come down for a DIYer like myself and many more.
@@bhutch216 their website says it’s still free for personal use with limited features starting Oct 1, 2020. For my use of making plaques and some 2D/2.5D projects, it has allowed me to do just that. I downloaded my license two years ago, so I’m not sure if the download requirements have changed, I used my school email and that was it.
This is pretty expensive for a 4x4 machine that requires internet access to save. I didn’t see what the machine’s feed rate capabilities are for both rapids and working speeds. Will there ever be an option to upgrade the spindle to something more powerful that 2hp?
Hi John! Feed rate rapids are 300ipm. Working speeds are dependent upon tool and material. Upgrading the spindle is not something we're looking into right now, however we know that the 2hp spindle works well for the vast majority of people and applications.
Would like to see simple improvements in the pro software first, such as auto-probing custom setup blocks “without knowing what a feed rate is” I mean without finding custom g-code scripts.
Holy crap that’s really expensive. I understand ball screws add cost but I’m not betting my business on that. I can buy 2 shapoko pros for that price and that’s at your presale discount. You can almost buy 4 of them after the presale ends. 2 spindles of productivity is always better than 1. Also making it easier to cut pieces larger than your board is great but people have been pulling that trick for years. Carbide also don’t have subscription fees which for the occasional maker is gold. I bought a glow forge and am regretting my purchase after they wanted me to pay 15$ a month for basic features. Never again. Carbide 3d for the win!!
Easel is pretty trash compared to many other CAD/CAM software available. This video does a terrible job of describing what the exact benefits are from buying a pro.
We appreciate your feedback. You can find tons of other benefits and information about the X-Carve Pro on our website here if this video wasn't helpful: www.inventables.com/technologies/x-carve-pro
@@kuzcatlan absolutely, it’s clunky, cloud based, has a lot of difficulty handeling complicated designs with lots of paths and unless your design is simple it often has a lot of gcode errors which ca result in failed cuts. Not to mention it’s basically useless without paying for the premium version. Finally in an attempt to keep the workspace clean, they bury tools and features behind other things which makes finding the correct tool unnecessarily complicated. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask. Personally I prefer fusion 360. You can get a free license for makers and while it has a pretty steep learning curve, it is far more advanced and capable then easel. Still cloud based which is unfortunate but their servers are far more powerful and I very rarely have any issues.
Anyone who is buying this is no different than someone buying an iPhone to be part of the "cool kids crowd". No different. If you want a real machine that can do what this can and so much more for a fraction of the price keep looking! Baffling. There's many other options out there. Don't do it!! You'll regret it!
I have one with the xcarve pro software. I cannot seem to get it to work. I got it working before but put it aside now I cannot get the projects to transfer to the xcarve. Does anyone have a link on how to do this?
At this time, we are only shipping to the US, including Alaska, Hawaii, US territories, and military bases. We are exploring options to offer X-Carve Pro to International customers in the future. We are currently in the initial stages of obtaining the required certifications to do this.
Sorry guys shapeoko 3 pro is a better deal. The only thing this has over SO3 is its size and I don’t think paying an extra 3000 minimum is worth it for the larger size.
Shipping first units to influencers is cool but why not ship a few units to regular makers and get some honest feedback from people who don’t have the same experience or a reason to give a bias review. Maybe ship them a unit and a camera and see what they can make. Not knocking the influencer business model but I think seeing the machined used by regular makers with no prior CNC experience would be much more compelling as motivation to buy, especially if those people were able to make enough money selling the products they create within a few months to pay for the machine. Just an idea. Thanks for listening.
Appreciate the idea! We actually have worked with a couple of business owners (non-influencers) and will have those videos and applications in the next few months!
@@Renaldo015 for real? They promote it USA! If had known that I would not have bought one! There are plenty of American made ones that compete or are better or at least now there are!
Such a huge price jump from the original. Clearly there not wanting entry level makers. At this price and size it puts this new x-carve priced above other units that offer more. I'll pass.
Hi Dave! You’re correct, the X-Carve Pro is at a different price point than hobbyist machines. What we’ve heard from many of our customers who have started as hobbyists, is that as their businesses grew to part-time and full-time jobs, they wanted a more robust solution. So while the X-Carve may be a better fit for hobbyists and entrepreneurs just starting out, the X-Carve Pro was created for growing businesses.
Tony Lorentzen that’s exactly what I was hoping for. I tuned in for the Big reveal, got very excited with the generous offer and can’t order for a UK delivery.
At this time, we are only shipping to the US, including Alaska, Hawaii, US territories, and military bases. We are exploring options to offer X-Carve Pro to International customers in the future. We are currently in the initial stages of obtaining the required certifications to do this.
I'm curious on sales as these machines are crazy expensive for what you get. Would never pay 12k or even 9k for that matter. NOPE!! Edit: the reason they don't lower the price to something more reasonable is because what will they tell all the people that have already purchased for 12k and yet they'll drop 9k off the price for new orders lol. It's honestly only worth about 3k.
@@inventables just means you're jabbing the customer. If I was going to pay thousands for a machine I would just get an Axiom. No way I would pay 12k for this toy. You're like the iPhone of CNC lol the "cool kids crowd". I'm curious if these are made in China.
@@inventables yes and no. I've Spec'd out an avid and it came in under 10k (the kit that I was needing was the 2x2 and that was about half that but their lead time is 4 months and I'm not gonna spend 10k or anything close to that on a machine and have to assemble by any means. What HP is your spindle? Theirs is 4HP. Not hating on your machine, just think it's a glorified shapeoko XXL. Lol I'm not the only one in the comments that thinks this way either. If I was going to spend anywhere close to 10k I would probably get a Leguna or Axiom. Or... Spend double and really get a nice machine.
Sex freaking thousands bucks are you ducking kidding me??? For what??? Yeah, you have rails, ball screws and lets assume they are not cheap piece of crap.(i doubt cuz your dust cleaner is bended 3:10 ) But why da hell you need all that for wood cutting??? You can cut almost any wood with a 5 time less solid construction. And that would make it much cheaper. Just useless overcomplication which leads to a big overpricing.
No skill or craftsmanship required! Might as well use a cookie cutter to make boring wood projects. Maybe they need an overpriced follow on product to make their cutouts look like hand crafted pieces!
Hey Tom, thanks for the feedback. We've always been surprised by the amount of work that goes into using a CNC both on the design and clean up, so we definitely think of our current users as great craftsmen. But we will always love using traditional tools (both electric and non)!
I just wanted to congratulate the whole Inventables crew on the X-Carve Pro. The design looks amazing, sturdy and very sleek. I'm also glad you decided to go big. I was in complete shock when i first saw the video on your website. I watched it probably 5 times and had co workers come over that are interested in CNC and watched their jaws drop as well. It's super cool and will be getting one at some point as I just got the 1000mm X-carve so the pockets are empty right now. That pro looks wicked cool!!! can't wait to see what others make with it. I love the CNC community because they are all so creative and helpful. Anyway it looks awesome. Please make more videos of it so I can drool over them even more.
Wow, we appreciate it! Thanks so much! We will definitely be creating more videos :)
Lemme guess one of their employees? Lol
Barrier to entry for aspiring entrepreneurs just got a lot steeper.
The Onefinity would be another option for starting entrepreneurs, discovered it couple days ago and have my eyes on it as my upgrade from my 2018 Xcarve.
You can still buy cheaper models. Cheaper options are becoming more available all the time.
@@TPNL1 what would you recommend? Besides buying each component, looking into rails as I already have the control board. Fuyu linear rails with the stepper motors also looks like a good option for an upgrade.
One can still build a machine for much less.
That is a big price jump from the X carve and using the same software.
can another program be used?
Yep!
yeah cause this isnt for hobbiest hence the pro
I just got an X-Carve. I'm putting it together in the evenings and reworking my shop so I can house and store it vertically. I can't wait to fire it up! Maybe I will need a bigger machine later. Who knows?
There's a sucker born every minute lol. Hope you like it. 12k for this machine...
It'll be interesting to see how well the feature that allows you to use a workpiece larger than the tooling footprint will work. Usually infinite-axis machines use a form of conveyor, that way the distance the workpiece moved is actually measured. I wouldn't be surprised if there's quite a few teething issues doing this but without a machine-measured movement; especially when human error and user error are considered.
Did you guys take over the warehouse that was being used for Lost Arts? or was it just for the video shoot?
Just a video shoot!
@@inventables nice! Was just curious if someone was trying to open it back up 😎
This is overpriced even at the discounted price of $6500
hell yeah!
Its ridiculous how many companies like this, step craft and avid cnc selling these toys not that rigid for crazy prices as compared to a robust cast iron chinese ones. I bought a 6ft x 4ft cut area cnc router with 3kw water cooled spindle, large linear rails and beefy frame with cast iron beam x axis as well as vacuum bed and pump (shipped from china with duties and all costs $8500 USD) I got lucky found one brand new not never been used stored for 8 years for like 3500 USD. These toys are for people who have money and no brains.
@@NERVESxxOFxxSTEEL could you share more details of your item ? 😄
@@Slavko_Husam just look up cnc routers on ebay
@@NERVESxxOFxxSTEEL The only concerns of Chinese machines are tolerances, repeatable accuracy, fit and finish, and longevity. Chinese mini lathes come to mind, and there's an entire community around those just for upgrading them to what should be standard, and there's entire series on fixing the issues with them. There's huge tradeoffs with quality when you buy from Chinese origins.
But I do agree that the pricing from companies like Inventables, Stepcraft, etc. is a bit ridiculous. Hopefully we'll see what happened to 3D printers happen to desktop CNC machines; initial high prices and worthless promises on cheap machines, then an overall price drop across the market as more and more companies pop up.
Really the only no-compromise solution is to build a machine yourself. Cost of a Chinese machine but with greater quality.
I've also been curious about looking into things like the Shaper Origin, a handheld router that's machine assisted to produce CNC-like cuts, and the Goliath CNC, which is just a router on omni-wheels. Maybe the realistic solution to having a super affordable machine while having unrealistically high quality is to put a machine on wheels and have what's basically two infinite axes. For wood and sheet goods, at least, true 3D Machining would never work with this method.
I could really use one of those to create one of a kind art pieces! I need a spark to build a creative fire.
Providing a laser attachment and unlimited pro software with the price, it might have a chance. Right now, you are able to upgrade the rails from third parties, laser attachment (Endurance laser or JTech laser) and free advanced software (Fusion 360 free!) for under 1K and still be under the total price of 3K. Maybe this price might come down for a DIYer like myself and many more.
I keep seeing people say Fusion 360 is free, but on their site it says there is a monthly subscription.
@@Grimm_Book it is free for hobbyists. The paid version unlocks things like 4 and 5 axis milling. Basic design and milling features are free.
Fusion 360 isn’t free anymore.
@@bhutch216 their website says it’s still free for personal use with limited features starting Oct 1, 2020. For my use of making plaques and some 2D/2.5D projects, it has allowed me to do just that. I downloaded my license two years ago, so I’m not sure if the download requirements have changed, I used my school email and that was it.
Love it! Nice machine. I could use one in the woodshop for sure!
You all should sponsor Matt. He would make great projects with your CNC. 👍
Ouch, was considering a second machine, but I'm priced out of this one.
$11,995.00
$6,495.00
lol no
Wait that much? You can get a 4x8 machine with stepper 34 motors and 6.6kw spindle for around 7-9k.. this looks like a toy by comparison
@@theobgyn6787 Which CNCs are you referring to? Im still shopping and for my budget AVID seems like the best
This is pretty expensive for a 4x4 machine that requires internet access to save. I didn’t see what the machine’s feed rate capabilities are for both rapids and working speeds. Will there ever be an option to upgrade the spindle to something more powerful that 2hp?
Hi John! Feed rate rapids are 300ipm. Working speeds are dependent upon tool and material.
Upgrading the spindle is not something we're looking into right now, however we know that the 2hp spindle works well for the vast majority of people and applications.
@@inventables lol 12 grand and all you have to offer is a 2hp spindle. Wow. Ok. 👍
If this was 5x5 i would consider the price - 4ft is too small
mark rippetoe approves
Would like to see simple improvements in the pro software first, such as auto-probing custom setup blocks “without knowing what a feed rate is” I mean without finding custom g-code scripts.
Hard to hear anything over the music.
Great stuff!
3 minutes, almost no details. Who is this targeted at? People who don't like details.
We will be posting more videos with lots of details soon!
oh yeah!
Holy crap that’s really expensive. I understand ball screws add cost but I’m not betting my business on that. I can buy 2 shapoko pros for that price and that’s at your presale discount. You can almost buy 4 of them after the presale ends. 2 spindles of productivity is always better than 1. Also making it easier to cut pieces larger than your board is great but people have been pulling that trick for years. Carbide also don’t have subscription fees which for the occasional maker is gold. I bought a glow forge and am regretting my purchase after they wanted me to pay 15$ a month for basic features. Never again. Carbide 3d for the win!!
LOLOLOL! I'm surprised they even have sales. 12k for that! 2HP spindle max.
Easel is pretty trash compared to many other CAD/CAM software available. This video does a terrible job of describing what the exact benefits are from buying a pro.
We appreciate your feedback. You can find tons of other benefits and information about the X-Carve Pro on our website here if this video wasn't helpful: www.inventables.com/technologies/x-carve-pro
A2Z Geek - the construction of the machine is much better with the Pro, not to mention the size.
Easel is trash because you can’t figure it out.
A2Z Geek, why is easel trash? Would you have a few minutes to elaborate?
@@kuzcatlan absolutely, it’s clunky, cloud based, has a lot of difficulty handeling complicated designs with lots of paths and unless your design is simple it often has a lot of gcode errors which ca result in failed cuts. Not to mention it’s basically useless without paying for the premium version. Finally in an attempt to keep the workspace clean, they bury tools and features behind other things which makes finding the correct tool unnecessarily complicated.
If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask. Personally I prefer fusion 360. You can get a free license for makers and while it has a pretty steep learning curve, it is far more advanced and capable then easel. Still cloud based which is unfortunate but their servers are far more powerful and I very rarely have any issues.
Giving it a huge thumbs down for the simple fact that it’s not available till April of next year but a bunch of youtubers already have one!!!
Hi Jimmy - we only had a few prototype machines and we have worked with a few of our influencer team members to try them out first.
Anyone who is buying this is no different than someone buying an iPhone to be part of the "cool kids crowd". No different. If you want a real machine that can do what this can and so much more for a fraction of the price keep looking! Baffling. There's many other options out there. Don't do it!! You'll regret it!
You have shipment in India
Not currently but we're working on shipping outside of the US.
I have one with the xcarve pro software. I cannot seem to get it to work. I got it working before but put it aside now I cannot get the projects to transfer to the xcarve. Does anyone have a link on how to do this?
Please contact Inventables tech support and we can help you out.
@@zachkaplan4011 thanks. I sent them an email.
would like to have one but the price is way way over, me being a simple home owner and want to make stuff, 1200 is the highest i go for anything.
No 4th axis support?
Not currently but great suggestion!
$12,000? This new thing is $12,000? Sounds like it’s made for industrial factories.
Lolol sounds like they are very proud of it.
Lmao... at that price point.. it should be able to do 4x8.. js
Hi Joe! It can do 4x8 and larger with Easel Pro's tiling feature that we announced as well.
I'm saying in 1 go around no tiling.
Could you ship to India? Possible?
At this time, we are only shipping to the US, including Alaska, Hawaii, US territories, and military bases. We are exploring options to offer X-Carve Pro to International customers in the future. We are currently in the initial stages of obtaining the required certifications to do this.
Sorry guys shapeoko 3 pro is a better deal. The only thing this has over SO3 is its size and I don’t think paying an extra 3000 minimum is worth it for the larger size.
Shipping first units to influencers is cool but why not ship a few units to regular makers and get some honest feedback from people who don’t have the same experience or a reason to give a bias review. Maybe ship them a unit and a camera and see what they can make. Not knocking the influencer business model but I think seeing the machined used by regular makers with no prior CNC experience would be much more compelling as motivation to buy, especially if those people were able to make enough money selling the products they create within a few months to pay for the machine. Just an idea. Thanks for listening.
Appreciate the idea! We actually have worked with a couple of business owners (non-influencers) and will have those videos and applications in the next few months!
Where is the machine made?
h3h3eot it’s made in Chicago
@@rbwoodwork1890 Assembled in Chicago but parts from china lol
@@Renaldo015 for real? They promote it USA! If had known that I would not have bought one! There are plenty of American made ones that compete or are better or at least now there are!
@@rbwoodwork1890 you actually bought one of these? Wow, ok. 😳
@@JF32304 No, I bought the standard X carve 1000 x 1000 and just installed the upgrades. No way I would spend that much on the Pro!
Such a huge price jump from the original. Clearly there not wanting entry level makers. At this price and size it puts this new x-carve priced above other units that offer more. I'll pass.
Hi Dave! You’re correct, the X-Carve Pro is at a different price point than hobbyist machines. What we’ve heard from many of our customers who have started as hobbyists, is that as their businesses grew to part-time and full-time jobs, they wanted a more robust solution. So while the X-Carve may be a better fit for hobbyists and entrepreneurs just starting out, the X-Carve Pro was created for growing businesses.
@@inventables I love my 1000mm x carve trying to grow my business. if you need someone Todo a review on it let me know. doncole88@gmail.com
@@inventables you still don't need this even if you're a seasoned pro with carving.
Why are cnc machines that expensiveee?
See the Onefinity.
@@waterdonkey LOL LOL LOL. You know!!! The OF destroys this! Shoot, I can buy 6 of those units for one of these. Laughable.
Ships to US only 👎
We are working on our certifications for CE and other countries. When they are finalized we will be able to ship to other countries.
@@zachkaplan4011 In time for us to take advantage of the pre-order discounts?
@@tonylorentzen I can't make any promises on timing we are working with a 3rd party certification and testing agency on the approval.
Tony Lorentzen that’s exactly what I was hoping for. I tuned in for the Big reveal, got very excited with the generous offer and can’t order for a UK delivery.
Ships to USA only :-(
At this time, we are only shipping to the US, including Alaska, Hawaii, US territories, and military bases. We are exploring options to offer X-Carve Pro to International customers in the future. We are currently in the initial stages of obtaining the required certifications to do this.
I'm curious on sales as these machines are crazy expensive for what you get. Would never pay 12k or even 9k for that matter. NOPE!!
Edit: the reason they don't lower the price to something more reasonable is because what will they tell all the people that have already purchased for 12k and yet they'll drop 9k off the price for new orders lol. It's honestly only worth about 3k.
You would be surprised ;)
@@inventables just means you're jabbing the customer. If I was going to pay thousands for a machine I would just get an Axiom. No way I would pay 12k for this toy. You're like the iPhone of CNC lol the "cool kids crowd". I'm curious if these are made in China.
Once you spec out an Avid with everything you'll need the price point will be in the same range as the X-Carve Pro.
@@inventables yes and no. I've Spec'd out an avid and it came in under 10k (the kit that I was needing was the 2x2 and that was about half that but their lead time is 4 months and I'm not gonna spend 10k or anything close to that on a machine and have to assemble by any means. What HP is your spindle? Theirs is 4HP. Not hating on your machine, just think it's a glorified shapeoko XXL. Lol I'm not the only one in the comments that thinks this way either. If I was going to spend anywhere close to 10k I would probably get a Leguna or Axiom. Or... Spend double and really get a nice machine.
I need to see Winston Moy use this one first before I crack open my wallet
unlikely since he works for the no. 1 competitor now :)
And yet you made a cnc that offers less at dubble the cost. It is a shame cause I due like the the cnc but, the cost is just to high.
If your looking for a performance comparison check out: ua-cam.com/video/mGAJ0EIPb_A/v-deo.html
Wonder how shapeoko pro compares to this x carve out did themselves
I need 48" x 96" so there's not point for me.
trying to copy c3d
First
Sex freaking thousands bucks are you ducking kidding me??? For what??? Yeah, you have rails, ball screws and lets assume they are not cheap piece of crap.(i doubt cuz your dust cleaner is bended 3:10 ) But why da hell you need all that for wood cutting??? You can cut almost any wood with a 5 time less solid construction. And that would make it much cheaper.
Just useless overcomplication which leads to a big overpricing.
No skill or craftsmanship required! Might as well use a cookie cutter to make boring wood projects. Maybe they need an overpriced follow on product to make their cutouts look like hand crafted pieces!
Hey Tom, thanks for the feedback. We've always been surprised by the amount of work that goes into using a CNC both on the design and clean up, so we definitely think of our current users as great craftsmen. But we will always love using traditional tools (both electric and non)!
We need Rembrandt and we need inkjet printers. There's room for both. There's room for both.