"Tonechaser" Read-Through-Steve and Eddie Van Halen in Chapter 15 ("Like Father, Like Son")-Part II
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Thanks SO MUCH for this Steven. Really moving. I think Ed’s Dad and his Mum sounded like two totally different characters…Almost like opposites attracting…His Father was a person Ed loved and respected more than ANYBODY because as a pure musician he put Edward on his life path as a player and as a brilliant talent Ed worshipped him and was inspired by him..No wonder when asked at the Smithsonian who he most would have liked most to jam with who had passed on he said ‘MY FATHER’ …He felt such frustration that someone of his Dad’s skill and talent had been stuck in lousy jobs without money when his skill and dedication to his art deserved success. Edward knew he had horrible bad luck losing a finger in an accident and he really empathised with his anguish and his situation. No wonder he was reduced to tears God love him 😔With Father Jan there was NO generation gap…Father and Son here were like best buddies living and breathing music together….From the accounts I had heard his Mother was very different. She was like the Conservative disciplinarian …The whip hand in the family who would force Ed and Alex to practice piano for hours when they weren’t really motivated like they were with guitar and drums later…She wanted to get them qualified to work as Phoenix Computer Programmers ffkssake . Can you imagine putting a genius talent like Edward in a DULL environment like that ???….It would have been like putting Jonathan Livingstone Seagull in a CAGE…I think some Mums who were deprived of opportunities when they were young can push their children too hard to do things they don’t want to do. And they don’t have any say in the matter. I myself kind of suffered this when my mother put me through 6 years of English Private school which was hell on Earth for me…Ed’s mum would lock his guitar in a cabinet for a week for not practicing piano which Ed understandable described as ‘torture’ …Even when VH achieved success Ed’s mum still didn’t think the fame would last. But quietly I bet she must have been proud😊…DAD was proud very loud though…Ed said Jan would go around saying to people -‘My SON is Edward Van Halen’ ! …lol😊….His Mum he claimed would say - ‘When you play guitar why do you have to get that high ‘crying’ sound ?….To which Edward would reply - ‘Well, it bought you a HOUSE didn’t it’ ?? 😂😅
I cried for most of the video. I'm a musician who lost his brother at a young age. I wish I could afford this book, but I thank you for giving us that.
Wow they was great . I heard Eddie once say and it stuck with me hard. Was when he was in highschool people said they hated their parents. And he wtf I love mine !! Really hit me hard. I hard times with mine. But Eddie was first person I heard that from that was young ,that said they loved their parents
@godbyone Well, the thing is, Ed was a sensitive creative soul. That was part of why he was as gifted as he was. But he was living in a Rock World environment which was very Macho. So people had to hide their real feelings while putting on a 'macho face' because they didn't want to be ridiculed socially by those around them....In another Ed interview with Jas Obrecht you can actually hear Ed TALKING about this when he said - 'Everybody around me was saying f*** my parents , they are assholes. But I never felt like that. I wanted to say - hey I LOVE my parents. I'd do anything for them. They've always busted their asses for me. But if you say stuff like that people think you sound like 'a wimp' .....Ed in the interview was clearly worried that he would be socially invalidated by idiots who like playing 'tough guy' to live up to other people's social expectations.....What I myself would have replied to ED was - 'It's better to be a 'Wimp' with HUMANITY FOR OTHERS than some Macho pretender afraid of their feelings spending their lives trying to live up to others social expectations being 'hard' while creating shit all over the place.' ...As Paul McCartney said in Hey Jude - 'Its only the fool who plays it 'cool' and makes their world a little COLDER'.
It was his Father JAN who Named SPANISH FLY ! Wow.
Thank you, Mr. Rosen. Wow. I never knew how much Eddie loved his father. So cool.
Oh big time bro...
Puddle. 😢Thanks for sharing these intimate moments between Edward and yourself, Steve. It is more than apparent what his motivation was in achieving his self-inflicted, highest goals. Beautiful! Thanks again Adam Roach for the video production. ❤🤍🖤
An update….I’ve just watched an interview from 2012 around the time of ADKOT between ED, ALEX and DAVE and it was lovely to see them forgiving each other and recovering their shared memories of their early days despite their later disagreements…They would remember and talk about so many shared memories from Motown deals, the old cars they drove and out their equipment in , their childhood musical influences, the Starwood, and Whiskey,,,the planning and organising of tours, old tour scapes, what was lovely was when Dave would talk about Ed and Alex’s PARENTS Jas and Eugenia …Dave would say to them -‘I seem to remember that your MUM was the whip hand in the family wasn’t she’? And Alex and Ed would start grinning like 2 Cheshire CATS and so would Dave as they all remembered and all 3 burst out laughing at their mutual historical recall of Mum telling them what time they had to be back with the equipment after their gig..😊…And Dave said of their Father JAN-‘Your Father basically is the SPIRIT of THIS BAND’…It was so nice that they made up with each other after all that time even if as people they were so different….I think when Steven was supporting Ed it was at a time when it was WW3 between Dave and the brothers but it was so good to see things heal eventually….Same with Sammy and Ed. I think they were talking before Ed passed on…And Mike would have been brought back in too bless him.
Awesome Steve!
Steve, Yes, you missed the opportunity with Eddie’s parents & their perspective, but I think you can still get many stories from Eddie’s school mates & friends from the neighborhood. I don’t think VH Rising went deep enough and accurately enough with that.
Some of the info already documented has been very enlightening telling me how similar Ed’s family was to my own. Raised in California by multi ethic parents (European father/Asian mother), eating the same foods, having our clothes made by Mom, our Dad’s both worked as machinists, had early jobs moving pianos/organs for music store, just incredible, I really wish I had met him!
Rosen did Eddie say or do you know if he bought them a house etc. ? I always wondered what he did for them . Because he always said how much he loved them
@godbyone Yes , I believe he did. ...helping his parents was very important to him. I posted a paragraph here earlier which got deleted. Possibly because I went into so much long detail. Sorry Steven if I went into inappropriate detail & went on too much...Some people in my family say I'm INCONTINENCE at a TYPING KEYBOARD sometimes 🙄......lol
@godbyone also in 1979 Ed and Alex retired their Dad Jan because in America he wasn’t able to make a lot of money despite his great musical skill and dedication . As Ed described in this phone conversation with Steven here he got stuck in awful menial jobs being payed little money despite his talent. And in other interviews Ed was saying the ‘musician unions’ in America gave no practical help at all…The brothers also bought Dad a lovely big boat to go fishing in . And I’m pretty sure Mum was bought a house too.
They did get his Dad on the album though.
Yep Big Bad Bill is Sweet William Now. ...& what a job he did too...& what TONE.
Is it possible for you to interview Alex about their childhood?
If you read the book Tonechaser, Steve explains how his relationship with Alex ended. By all accounts Alex holds grudges so I doubt another interview with him would ever happen.
@@edwardskol1812I can understand why Alex might end a relationship and connection with someone like Sammy for writing that book RED and talking negatively about Ed but I can’t understand why Alex would end his connection with someone like STEVEN because Steven was so SUPPORTIVE to his brother down the years. Indeed even DECADES.
@@walterevans2118 I completely agree. But Steve published a remark that Alex didn’t want him to and it sounds like he didn’t forgive him. It’s detailed in the book.
@@edwardskol1812 Oh dear. Well, Alex was very protective towards his little Brother . One can understand that 😔
Yeah either way Al ain't talking to nobody, quite unfortunately
Ed hated his mom's side of the family kids.
Really? What did he say?
@@LoyalOpposition Ed mentioned that his Mother's side of the family said they would sponsor his Dad & family when they came to America but that they DIDN'T so Jan & his young family fell on hard times economically.
@@walterevans2118 I wonder who sponsored them.. I heard in one interview how they said they'd find him a good job, but it was not to be, and by Al and Ed's account, their dad worked 7 days a week, sometimes 20 hours a day, 4 miles walking each way.
@@LoyalOpposition yes. I think it might have been one of the sisters of Ed and Alex’s Mother Eugenia who promised to sponsor them coming to America but didn’t.
@@walterevans2118 There's this interview on Steve Rosen's site, but of course he cut it off shortly after mentioning this. Ed was crying about his father. Very touching video
I'm sure Alex will tell you about there childhood
He has....In six videos Steven has recently released with ALEX recorded in 1985