Jimmy Page played as a session musician on Who songs. Jimmy Page played as a session musician on Stones songs. Jimmy Page played as a session musician on Kinks songs. NOBODY ever played as a session guitarist on a Zeppelin song. Period.
True, but in the end The Who we’re the better band. And Townsend is a genius who can not only play amazing guitar but also compose brilliant music and write intelligent and meaningful lyrics.
That's because of the time line. By the time Led Zeppelin formed, they were a second-stage English Rock Band. The Stones, the Who, and the Kinks were seen by us American fans the cream of the original English Rock bands. Shel Talmey's insertion of another guitarist in the Who was a product of the times. Bands had more say by the time Zeppelin formed. In 1968, various members of the original bands were all branching out, trying to form "super groups"...i.e Winwood's Traffic, Clapton's Cream, etc.
The last sentence of my first reply was poorly written. What I meant to say: By the time Led Zeppelin formed in 1968, there was already a bit of phenomena of "super groups" of musicians leaving their former bands. This was an attempt to branch out musically, as they became more accomplished musicians. By this time, some Rock groups had achieved a track record of success and had more say in what music they were able to produce.
@@karsguitarchannel6088 word on the street is that Page's small contribution to I Can't Explain never made the final cut. Page was bragging to people that he played guitar on final version of I Can't Explain. Pete got wind of it. Confronted Page. Page didn't deny it. Pete punched him in the face, as Page cried, Pete called him a lying C*** and told him never to lie again. That is why Pete and Page don't discuss it. Who knows how it really went down.
Page was an extremely good guitarist for the time, some of his songs are still mesmerizing to this day. Say what you like about Jimmy but he blazed trails.
What shocks me is there were so many great musicians like all at the same time in the same place all driving each other and competing. Incredible time.
I have always liked both Led Zepplin and The Who. That being said, quotes and stories attributed to Pete Townshend make him sound like an arrogant ass and it's a wonder The Who was so successful. He dishes on everyone, including his own band. I don't doubt Keith would have left if he had been able to. I've read that he went so far as to ask this band from Liverpool if he could join them and was told he would have to talk to their current drummer, Ringo Starr. Needless to say, it didn't go any further. Pete sounds more bitter than what people say about Van Morrison He shouldn't be. His place in music is secure.
Tis interesting that all 'the best' guitarists emerged so close together. In the case of Beck, Page, and Clapton, all very similar age and geographically close to each other. So what's going on there? My take is that boys at the time were widely fixated on guitars, so there were thousands of them giving it a go. Plus, the mood of the time made them very interested in pursuing technical proficiency. What this suggests is that there are many potential Jimmy Pages out there in the world, even now. But they are just not motivated to pick up guitars and push them to the max. Just like there was once an ocean of brilliant black american blues and funk musicians, with mastery of their instruments, and now there are hardly any. The skills are still there in the population, but the interest is not. And such a pity!, as we are now left with tragically sub standard popular music.
@@jameshancock6455 Moon would soon realize he had the best job in the world, playing for the best. he said it loudly and often. the picture of Keith w/ a pair of sticks sitting behind his Premier 'pictures of Lily' kit, both bass drums reading THEWHO (in Superman lettering), wearing a T-shirt w/ exactly the same lettering, says it all about this man's loyalty. in the early days, they nearly shit-canned Roger for throwing speed (which they all loved except for Daltrey)down the toilet. he claimed it was throwing their timing off big time. in the late days of the band, Moon nearly got the axe for out of control drinking ,making his playing suck. during their mid -late'70's 18 month layoff, Moon lived in Malibu, and didn't practice ever. PT was working on the film soundtrack for 'QUADROPHENIA' and writing songs for 'WHO ARE YOU'. Keith played to live, and lived to play for TheWHO.
@@tonym994 That's true. But, earlier, he did ask either John or Paul about joining the Beatles and they are reported to have told him he would have to talk to Ringo. Obviously, even with any conflict, the Who found a way to work it out. Interesting, too, is Keith became Zak Starkey's Godfather and, after Keith's death, Zak ended up touring with the Who in Keith's place. Also Interesting. And, I know their styles are different and the Beatles stopped touring in 1966, but, Ringo said he never practiced, either. Yet, his skills never seemed to suffer.
Daltrey's explanation makes total sense. If "Can't Explain" was recorded "live" without laying down separate tracks serially - you needed the riff to be played simultaneous with the lead guitar solo. So both Townsend and Page were needed to do it properly. Nobody thinks that Townsend "couldn't play the parts". It's pretty clear that Townsend thought Page tried to poach his band members, and that explains the animosity. BTW, I am an equally big fan of both bands - they both made great music.
As the vocalist, Daltrey had less jealousy, less skin in the game. It also makes sense that Page would be modest about his contribution: he may not even vividly remember, having been so busy, & it's not a ghostwriter or session musician's job to grab the attention. Plus, why alienate PT any further after trying to steal his bandmates?
When Jimmy Page was asked about the development of guitar feedback, he said: I don't know who really did feedback first; it just sort of happened. I don't think anybody consciously nicked it from anybody else. It was just going on. But Pete Townshend obviously was the one, through the music of his group, who made the use of feedback more his style, and so it's related to him. Whereas the other players like Jeff Beck and myself were playing more single note things than chords.
@@murphymoe753 Hendrix had one bloke who used to make his pedals. Hendrix understood what his axe could do, what his pedals could do and what his amps. could do.100 % knowledge on all those. And he could play like fuck. Stevie Ray Vaughan was one of the greatest blues guitarists that ever lived. I've got SRV doing Voodoo Chile. Sensational. I did an experiment one day. SRV followed by Hendrix doing Voodoo Chile. Hendrix blew Stevie Ray outta the ball park. Not many (if any) axe men can do that to SRV.
Cinematic Passages A genius like Bert Jansch didn't REQUIRE praise from the likes of Page - any more than Ry Cooder or Richard Thompson do. He should've just PAID the man, FFS.
I always thought The Who were part of the trifecta of early British invasion (The Who, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones) and Zepp was part of the middle invasion (Led Zeppelin , Deep Purple , Black Sabbath). Pete should be proud that he was part of a group that influenced Zeppelin, not jealous.... Great stories as always guys! Love it! : )
@@westerling8436 lol...well said mate. I said the same thing years ago. You know I never got into zeppelin. I think it's because I don't like jimmy. I'm more of a Pink Floyd Beatles sycophant lol..✌🏻
Zepplin's first album was great, the rest were commercial B sides. The Who had quite a few great records....Townsend's guitar takes a back seat to nobody.
Also Plant has stated on many occasions his love and friendship of Daltrey and his admiration of The Who. Even when Plant was young he would sneak off to see The Who perform. And on tour Plant thanked The Who for allowing him to be on the same stage and tour and said, about The Who, we have the true original professionals in the house tonight.
I've never heard Jimmy Page bad mouth anyone .. he actually goes out of his way to compliment his contemporaries of the day.. Page , plant , jonesy and Bonham .. class act ....
Jimmy Page is just an amazing and talented guy! He doesn’t need to bash other musicians to make himself look good! Pete Townsend’s insecurities have caused him to badmouth others!
Pete's rhythm playing is outstanding - one of the best hard rock right hands in the business, and he's no slouch as a blues rock lead player - but this is clearly sour grapes from Pete. They both were brilliant game changers but Jimmy had so much more width and depth on the guitar. Its sad Pete insists on comparing himself to Jimmy, and feels Zep stole what would have been The Who's crown for hard rock whether he admits it or not .
WRONG, Zeppelin were better than the Who, & Jimmy was better than Pete, if you dont agree, just listen to a Townsend solo, & then listen to a Page solo, & you will get it.
@@francishughes2016 Wrong they very different bands Townsend not only wrote better songs but he was the one who kept the beat in the Who as Moon could not keep a beat if he tried he was all drum fills and no rhythm.Page was just a great guitar player no more no less.
All these artists are legends today. We were very spoiled musically in the seventies. The Beatles,The Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Cream, Deep Purple etc. etc.
@Michael lees The Brits like to muddle the topic being discussed (Does Townsend not dislike anyone?) by conflating his predilection and arrest for frequenting websites featuring photos and then downloading the numerous illegal photos of very young prepubescent boys, with the superfluous topic of Jimmy Page's affair with a teenage girl.
@Michael lees But the comment/question had nothing to do with Jimmy Page: it was about Townsend only. The fact that he likes little boys has nothing to do with Jimmy Page and Lori Maddox.
However, I may have misunderstood what you wrote about "the Americans" and Townsend. Perhaps you were agreeing/expanding on my comments. If so, I apologize.
He's correct. And so what if he didn't like them... I can see why he wouldn't. The substance of the two bands repertoire is like chalk and cheese. There's no doubt every rock act from the mid 60s owes something to the Who. That type of power and visceral approach began with them. And it isn't pronounced "townSHend".
Townsend has nothing to be jealous about. Growing up in the late 60’s and early 70’s The Who were hugely successful. They wrote and recorded great masterpieces. But, like every other band, their time at the top ended as music evolved and Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath took over.
Zeppelin were mega successful. 8 number one albums in Britain and 6 in the USA. The Who only had 1 number one album in the UK and 0 in the USA. There was a massive gulf in success between the two bands. Zeppelin have sold three or four times as many albums as The Who.
@@lyndoncmp5751 so based on your own criteria, Garth Brooks, Elvis, The Eagles, are all better than Zep because they had more hits than Zep, more hit albums, and greater album sales than Zep, who would have thunk it.
Superior musicians and quick success created haters. I think there is a backstage interview of plant and Roger backstage in ‘05 ish. I think plant says to him “I remember seeing you when I was 15 and thinking, I can do that!” The Who definitely influenced Zep and many many others. Zep just took that to a level they didn’t or couldn’t
@@stickman1742 yeah I could see that. I guess what I hear is a bunch of bands from the 60s that were able to jam but not able to take it to next level. Granted some, the Beatles wrote great songs but for many it was just a party and if you could keep rhythm cool! Zep was blowing doors off the place and really playing with swagger, energy AND composition. The Who, Deep purple and Black Sabbath were close but not on the same level as Zep. To be fair it lasted about 5/6 years for Zep and I think that’s also where people started to hate on them. Plants voice gone, page on H, bonzo alcoholism. I were over the top by the mid/late 70s so I get it. But when they were on they were fantastic
"Town-shend"? No. It's Towns-hend, and you can pretty much leave the 'h' silent. The 's' and the 'h' do not interact. There is no 'sh' in Townshend. Please re-train your pronunciation of Townshend's name, just leave the 'h' out.
Funny in the first video we made on Pete Townsend, Shawn pronounced it like "Townzend" but later it transformed into "Townjend". Come on guys, no big deal. It's just pronunciation. As for me, Townjend sounds nice too. Shawn's from California, so his pronunciation may be different
What a wealth of talent all in one relatively small scene at this particular time! Not part of this story but floating around in the same milieu we also had guitarists such as Peter Green, Mick Taylor and Eric Clapton. Bonkers!
@@dougreed2257 Rory Gallagher 👍👍.(rip) Rory was Irish and not part the "British invasion" of the US musical scene. Also, Van the man and Them, Thin Lizzie and others.
Jimmy was/is a pretty happy guy. Pete, on the other hand, admits that he's been pretty unhappy for most of his life. And when you're unhappy, you spread it around. Just like if you're joyful, you spread that around, as well.
The Led Zeppelin group seemed pretty rare for those bands because as Pete says, they were all really nice guys. The sniping and infighting from the other English rock bands was never-ending. Page almost has nothing but nice things to say about all the other bands. He just seems to care about making good music and has a very optimistic outlook.
I think of the Who as hard rock pioneers while Led Zeppelin took it further by adding folk and indian music to the blues and hard rock. Led Zeppelin did such a brilliant work!!!
The Who were Good , and Pete Townsend is an Good Guitar Player but Zep and Jimmy Page are just way above Them in my Book , the Greatest Rock Band in History!!!!
@@christopherekin1747 yep you admitted Zeps boring slop on stage. I thought the trance was, why the hell did I spend a fortune on these expensive Zep tickets to listen to this slop? At a Who concert, there was no trance, it was, GOD DAMN! And total involvment in the Who's talent and showmanship. A Who concert was not a boring trance, nor a concert, but an EVENT! Cheers mate.
Pete has been plagued with insecurity and may not have been technically as proficient on guitar as Jimmy Page or Beck, but he had amazing songwriting craftsmanship and soul to go with it, so definitely no lesser artist.
Jimmy page is a sloppy guitarist hes horrible who are you trying to kid Townshend is a much better guitarist than page and a better song writer.. oh that's right Zeppelin wrote very little of their own music Zeppelin road the coattails of fame on other Artist songs and music
That confirms my suspicion, it WAS John Entwistle that said " It will go down like a lead zeppelin" not Keith Moon Peter Grant decided to drop the "a" in lead to remove any confusion
They were all great players day one. There was no gestation period. They didn't have a lot to play, so they extended and Bonham played long drum solos. That started a trend.
Why do multiple sources say that it was Page simply because they couldn't record two guitar tracks? I agree that it sounds more like Townshend to me but there are so many sources saying otherwise.
@@harrykadaras9459Are you sure that means lead tracks? I can't imagine how two different guitar players solos would be indistinguishable. And, at the end of the day, they still chose one. The question is, whose is it?
Word on the street is that Page was bragging that he played on I Cant Explain. Pete got wind of it and confronted Page who didnt deny it. Pete popped Page in the face and Page ran off crying as Pete called Page a f ing lying c*** and told Page to stop lying. Nothing has been said ever since. Who knows exactly what happened. Both guys wont talk about it as Pete doesnt want anyone to know Page does have a small part that didnt make the cut and Page doesnt want to be known as a liar and someone who got beat up by Pete, lol. Who knows! .
There were many original forces within Led Zep. Jon Paul’s involvement is very under acknowledged, and obviously Bonzo’s unique timing, ability and energy cannot be touched by anybody. There were a handful of talented superstars of that time. I was lucky enough to have lived through it and applaud them all. Thank you. Those of you still alive, just enjoy your millions and put it to good use for the good of mankind. With the sort of resources you guys have, just please use it all wisely.
I wasn't lucky enough to have lived back then, but I love and devour these old British bands and their music. I'm only 24, so my opinion may not have as much merit as yours, but regarding Bonham, who I think is amazing, I'd say that imho Baker is a notch above Bonham. Nevertheless, I appreciate your comment, and love to discuss these topics. I totally agree with you about JPJ, Zeppelins secret weapon. Cheers!
@@WranglerJess97 I'm SOO happy you're carrying on the tradition of delving into these great bands, and appreciating them like folks should. This is great music, and I was born during the time, and remember listening to my older sister (by 11 years) and brother jamming to it, and thus my musical taste was born as well. Insure others hear it too..
Two of the greatest writers. To me Page was a superior player. But both wrote so many great songs you can't be anything but impressed at these two guys. And they both had great supporting bands.
@@brianshockledge3241Jeez, that,s just NOT true, everyone stole from everyone else, that,s just a fact, but Jimmy took it so far away, that people singled Zepellin out, because they were so good. Everyone stole, NOT just Zeppelin.
@@francishughes2016 You are correct everyone stole but Zep took it to another level. There was a reason they were session players for so long they didn`t have enough original material for albums which is why they leaned so heavily on rehashed blues and folk numbers.
People resent Zep. They have good records and their sound was original. They played blues /rock which isn't supposed to be original in song structure so that whole thing is pretty funny.
Who cares? They're both great bands and for him to come out and make a statement like that is a massive mistake. It does nothing for his credibility. I'd take Zeppelin over The Who anyday though. The Who pioneered the audio visual concepts better than anyone with their rock operas but for balls out hard rock Zeppelin take the cake. Few bands can match Achilles Last Stand and Kashmir. Maybe only Yes have come close to such majesty. Townsend was a great songwriter but he was overshadowed by the rest of his band who were better musicians than him.
Many thanks for checking out, much appreciated!!! Funny in the first video we made on Pete Townsend, Shawn pronounced it like "TownZend" but later it transformed into "TownJend". Come on guys, no big deal. It's just pronunciation. As for me, TownJend sounds nice too. Shawn's from California, so his pronunciation may be different
The stones, the who and a lot if British bands hated zeppelin. They considered them tossers (posers). I really believe it was because they were threatened by them. I think bands that followed them like sabbath, purple and heavy bands worshipped them. Ritchie Blackmore fired his singer and bass player and switch to playing harder music after zeps first album came out.
@@henryalva8819 Mick was more of a poser! 2 big posers is right. I cant believe they ever got that big. Stones had some cool songs, but as Mick Taylor himself said " Stones were a garage band with great promotion" Taylor was actually a good player, he did not fit in that band at all! When he finally could not stand the glam, drama, and fairy dancing he left right before the 1975 tour. They must have really pissed him off, to leave all the fame behind. Stones tried to recruit Rory Gallagher for a while, he turned them down every time. If ever there was an awesome pure bad ass great rocker with no gimmicks. no glam, that was 100% opposite of the Stones it was Rory! Listen to any Rory song. He was far ahead of Clapton, right up there with SRV!
@@michaelcraig9449 From what I remember, the reason was drugs. Taylor left because he'd developed a heroin habit, knew he needed to get "clean" and that he never would as long as he was in the Stones.
It’s funny that Zeppelin fans just can’t believe that some people just don’t like Zeppelins music, when someone says they don’t like them Zeppelin fans always think there has to be a reason for it. Keith Richards doesn’t like Led Zeppelin and he said he didn’t like then even before Zeppelin got really big. He was the only one in the Stones who said he didn’t like them.
My 2 favorite English bands from the day Who couldn’t be any more different. Got to see the Who, missed Zep. Bonham passing cancelled the concert I would have seen. Daltry and Plant were amazing frontmen. I liked early Zeppelin and late Who. Led Zeppelin mesmerized me in those days, Lynyrd Skynyrd also. Think I’ll listen to Jimmy’s work with the Black Crowes tomorrow at work.
I saw the Who twice, Page and Plant 3 times , the Firm once and JP w/Black Crows once. Stones twice, Pink Floyd twice, SRV twice, Clapton twice, Deep Purple twice, Van Halen, Allman bros, Skynyrd etc...the list goes on and on ... Back when rock and roll was Rock and Roll. Probably at least 50 different bands. Times have changed, those days are no longer what a shame.
Honestly between The Who & Zeppelin's own respective live performances, Led Zeppelin are like a broadsword. The Who are like a sledgehammer. I mean watching Who shows like Shepperton or Rpck n Roll Circus, the power of footage just leaps off the screen. Led Zeppelin seems more refined and versatile musically. Each member of Zeppelin seems more in control. But also much tamer, in a way, as live performers. On the recordings though, I feel Led Zeppelin's drums were MUCH better recorded than The Who, so many of their records Bonham is front & center. Page was an innovator in how drums could recorded.
Thank you for sharing this! I love The Who so very much, but can't stand Led Zeppelin. The Who lost all of their power the day John Entwistle died. Pete has even made comments that they're not the same without him.
I can listen to Plant’s voice for maybe two tracks. Then I have to turn it off. Give me Hendrix, Paul Rogers, Steve Winwood, Pete Townsend or a host of other vocalists. The list is endless.
It's bizarre how both drummers died, almost the same way, alcohol. Both came through the Psychedelic phase of music. At the peak of both, a band from Down Under was coming up, AD/DC. Just think, Jimmy Page wanted to be a doctor at first because he wanted to cure cancer. So glad he decided differently.
Do you hinestly think Jimmy Page would have made the difference and actually cured cancer? He would have been one of the docs testing cocain on spiders lol@@ewandmunro
I agree about Townsend not playing notes. He plays more of a rhythm-lead "bang chords". John Entwistle played a "lead bass". "My Generation" on "Live at Leeds" is my favorite Townshend guitar.
Once I read in an interview with Ted Nugent when asked about Townshend. "He's a great rhythm guitarist. When he goes for a lead...I cringe. When he plays a power chord ..I refocus " But often it is good rhythm guitarists which are principle song writers. The musical world was smaller back then. So I am sure all the British players ran into each other regularly. Sometimes the collisions resulted in good music, other times squabbles
Yeah, I never think of ripping solos when I think of Pete. But his phrasings and that TONE...there were/are enough people running up and down the fretboard. Most of that stuff gets boring to me after like ten seconds. But Pete digging into those chords, I could listen to that all day.
I think most all musicians (artists) have some amount of insecurity no matter how big they get. And that the arrogance and pompous attitude is a way of compensating for it.
Two other notes which may or may not have been mentioned. One of Page's original choices for lead vocal for Zep was Steve Mariott (of Small Faces fame). Apparently their manager got wind of it and told Page essentially 'how would you like to play guitar with your fingers broken?', Terry Reid was his next choice who declined but suggested Plant. The other thing was just the observation that it was fairly accepted that Live at Leeds, the Who's most in your face guitar rock record, was Townsend's direct response to Led Zeppelin's early success as a 'See, I can play guitar too' retort. So , yeah I think there was a little bit of jealousy.
There was clearly a lot of jealousy between all the English rock bands back then often within the bands as well. Just listen to all their comments about each other. I guess that what happens when talented people are all competing in the same arena.
Yeah Pete was jealous of Led Zeppelin cos they were much bigger than The Who. That was a thing back then, the jealousy bit. They were envious of each other’s talents every now and then. I also read somewhere once that when the Beatles were out , a lot of the British groups and musicians hated them and thought of their music as nothing really to care for. Even jimmy page has gone on record saying the Beatles didn’t do anything meaningful til magical mystery tour, that is pure jealousy right there. Ginger baker said the Beatles weren’t worth the hype as they weren’t good musicians, again jealousy. They were all jealous that no other group ever became as big nor surpassed the popularity of the Beatles even after their breakup.
Jimmy page is the owner, producer and main songwriter of one of the greatest rock bands of all time. There's no one like Jimmy Page in any other bands Beatles/Stones/Floyd/Who..etc There's no need for Jimmy page to be jealous of a band like Beatles, He was just being honest. Early Beatles are the original boyband in history. Labels have been assembling their own Beatles since Beatle-mania,But it would be hard to getting three guys together who are capable of starting their own band,then making them sign contracts that basically leaving all the rights and major share of money of thier work. Then all the quiet/funny/smart/cute and clown acts. From monkeys to BTS, early Beatles are the blueprint for all the boybands followed. BTS is now moving to universal label, probably they will be marketed as the greatest band of 21'st century after 40-50 years Beatles masters are owned by the label and publishing rights is owned by Sony,Marketed greatness and Popularity. Led Zeppelin was always "let the music do the talking" and will remain the same as long as Jimmy Page is alive. Beatles are more popular than all the classic bands expect Queen and will be more popular over time for atleast Paul McCartney's lifetime+ 75 years. More movies,cartoons,T.V series pretty much anything that will expose Beatles to a new generation and eventually a "Bohemian Rhapsody" like movie that will come out in near future. History of boybands - ua-cam.com/video/Y7Udhetp0Zc/v-deo.html
@@keithrichards6569 lol the Beatles weren’t a boyband, thats what all the jealous people tend to call them. They were a rock group playing rock songs, pop songs, old standards, musicals etc. They launched so many other rock groups and opened the door for so many British rock groups including Led Zeppelin. You say jimmy page has nothing to be jealous of the Beatles but he does. You see, when it comes to the title of greatest rock group, the Beatles always, always take it. Led Zeppelin tends to come in second and rightfully so, they were an amazing rock group but just can’t top the Beatles. Jimmy always wanted to be number one, unfortunately that can’t happen in this instance so he is jealous. For you to say jimmy was being honest about the Beatles having nothing of worth till magical mystery tour is really a silly statement. If you check the clip here on UA-cam you’ll see how everyone says jimmy didn’t know what he was talking about to make such a ridiculous statement, even Led Zeppelin fans say he was way off saying something like that. Lastly , the Beatles played twist and shout, i saw her standing there, roll over Beethoven, rock and roll music, I’m down, paperback writer, revolution, halter smelter etc so many more songs that were hard hitting rockers so for you to call them a boyband really shows you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
@@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020 I guess Billboard and Telegraph are also jealous of The Beatles. The pre-rubber soul era Beatles are the original boyband, the band that sang "she loves you yeah "×120 times, screaming teenage girls and all the quiet/funny/cute/smart acts...etc Probably Jimmy Page doesn't remember whether "magical mystery tour" or Revolver came out first. I guess he mentioned "magical mystery tour" as mid-phase of Beatles career. Page never really cared for 3 minute "verse" "chorus" Pop songs and hated Zeppelin's "livin loving maid" probably most Beatles-like song in catalogue. All this greatest/best things are subjective. For some it's Zeppelin others Floyd/Stones/The Who/Queen/Beatles..etc There's no such thing as Beatles or Zeppelin are always best. You can always find poles and musicians claiming "x" band is best/greatest.. I don't think Page/McCartney/Jagger these guys care about who is best or worst. Jimmy page is the owner of his work, page owns the master tapes and publishing rights to Led Zeppelin. Nothing happens to Led Zeppelin unless he wants to, McCartney came close to that feeling for the first time (being your own Boss) in 2016 and sold that to Sony for some undisclosed amount(I guess he was a Billionaire by that time). Probably Sony and universal could manage Beatles' legacy better. If the title "greatest boyband ever" would bring more young people to listen,they would do it. Beatles popularity will surely increase till the copyright expires for sure.
@@keithrichards6569 the Beatles don’t have the title of the greatest boy band , their title is the greatest rock band of all time. But hey listen, if it makes you feel better calling them a boy band then go right ahead. You sound like those critics in the 70s who called Led Zeppelin a heavy metal band who panned Led Zeppelin 3 as being full of heavy metal noise etc. You keep going on about how jimmy page owns his work, so what? That has nothing to do with the music. That’s good that he owns it, good for him, still doesn’t take away from them being considered number 2 in list of greatest rock bands behind the Beatles and that is a fact.
@@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020 Beatles being the greatest boyband of all time is my opinion. But first 3 minutes of this video clearly explains why early Beatles are the original boyband ( including articles from Billboard and Telegraph) ua-cam.com/video/Y7Udhetp0Zc/v-deo.html But you just don't see it. So Beatles #1, Zeppelin #2 ,Who is #3?
It seems like more and more quotes or interviews I hear from Townshend, he comes across as angry and unhappy. He is a great talent, but a miserable person apparently.
I have been around a bit and Townshend is the only famous guy who would talk to you - an ordinary member of the public - for any length of time on any subject you like.
An old article stated that Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townshend were vying for who was the better guitarist when Zeppelin hit the scene and neither could hit Page's level.
Page tried to poach Entwistle and Moon from the Who. To hell it wasn't personal. I always wondered about this I Can't Explain session that Page played rhythm guitar on. The Daltrey revelation is bizarre. Of course Townshend was pissed at Page.
The Led Zeppelin reunion concert in London held many years ago now, had something like 20 million ticket requests. (if I'm remembering that number correctly) I guess that Pete had reason to be jealous. I lived thru those wonderful years when these bands were new, and I loved both bands. But I loved Zeppelin a wee bit more.
Who would fight over credit for that shitty little solo, (more of a riff really) in I Can't Explain? It did seem a little too clean to be Pete though, but I'm sure he had his moments of not being a total fretboard slob. LOL! Don't get me wrong, Page could be pretty damned sloppy too, (especially on his long-drawn-out self-indulgence during live performances).
Page never bad mouths anyone. He is always publicly gracious. The who were a great band but Townsend comes across as bitter. Townsend is probably bitter and jealous because as time has gone on Zeppelin has grown in statue and the Who has diminished. Zep were and are bigger, better and way more adventurous in every way.
Both different styles, both greatest rock bands ever. Townshend was right in saying without him, there wouldn't of been the WHO. I've heard Daltrey try to give himself credit for the success of the WHO, and he is a good vocalist, but it was Townshends songwriting. Briliiant musician and composer. Led Zeppelin, great song writing and no one can come close to Plants vocals. In his prime he was the greatest rock vocalist ever.
Neither really knew what they were doing they just made it up as they went along. Daltrys voice and charisma were just as important to the who's success IMHO.
Plant had a great studio voice. On stage and as a frontman Plant was not great, rememba lafta. I can name 20 frontmen better than Plant anyday of the week. Daltrey had a great studio voice and was a super badass frontman who acted like a man..
I just don't get Pete's animosity toward Led Zeppelin. Most people who love Led Zeppelin, also love the Who, and vice-versa. And let's face it, both Page and Townshend were great composers and players, but, on the guitar at least, it should be evident to anybody that Page blew Townshend away on that beautiful instrument. Please don't get me wrong, as I love both prodigies, as well as the respective bands that they led. [edit] Btw, Roger Daltry loves Led Zeppelin.
It’s interesting how some musicians in the band sometimes think they ‘own’ one another, almost like in a bad marriage. I’m an old musician and I consider myself an independent contractor at all times.
Townsend disliked Led Zeppelin because it was founded by Jimmy Page. Page had tried to hire Kieth Moon and John Entwistle away from Townsend and Daltry. Period. QED. best Bruce Peek
NOT A CHANCE..... 'the song remains the same' is much better than 'live at leeds....' compare 'no quarter' to 'magic bus'....? I love zep and the who....BOTH were superb with good songs.... and until page started putting drugs before the music in 74, zep were unstoppable live.... Daltrey is better than Plant.... Entwistle and Jonesy are about equal.... Page is better than Townshend.... Bonzo is better than Moon.... both bands had great chemistry.... tommy/quadrophenia/who's next/who are you....from the who.... four symbols/houses of the holy/physical graffiti/presence....from zep....
@@volpeverde6441 I saw Zep once...in 1975 I believe and they bored me to sleep almost. Page was obviously stoned and listless, their songs are foregettable and the 45 minute drum solo drove EVERYBODY to take a piss and buy a couple beers. Saw THE WHO in 71, 76, 79 and 82 and the the first three shows were all in my Top 10 concerts EVER along with Deep Purple 73, Van Halen 78, Ten Years After 75, Jethro Tull 71, Foghat 76, Frampton 76 and UFO 79. Best LIVE album is easily "Strangers in the Night"
@Steve Ludwig I saw LED ZEPPELIN at KNEBWORTH in 1979 and they played well....there was no drum solo and songs were kept to the 10 minutes mark.... I see you don't mention the time that Keith Moon collapsed with booze and horse tranquillisers and had to be carried off....LED ZEPPELIN have never had to ask fans to sit in because a musician was fucked up.... maybe not the BEST live album - but takes some beating is PURPLE'S MADE IN JAPAN....
@Steve Ludwig Jimmy Page was stoned.... I think Plant and Jones (partially) keep their habits to themselves....Bonham started to overindulge on the 77 tour....but could still play.... you are trying to make out LED ZEPPELIN never did a good show....when they held records for attendances in many stadiums....and album sales....I think you'll find they beat the who.... that is why Pete hates them....
This is actually interesting I always thought Pete was older than Jimmy because the Who came first before Zeppelin. It was Beatles Stones and The Who then it was the harder stuff like Zeppelin Purple and Sabbath. Then the heavier stuff like Maiden Priest and Motorhead. I guess it makes sense as to how Zeppelin became so huge he just knew the industry and had experience with every other band around all's he needed was the right players for the sound he wanted to make. But imo Zeppelin sounds nothing like The Who Pete just sounds jealous.
I used to prefer LZ over The Who, but as I got older I definitely got more of an appreciation for The Who. Both were great bands though. I do think Pete Townshend was jealous of LZ's success, but I sort of get it. LZ had a very similar sound to The Who and even a similar look (long blond haired front men known for their rock screams). But, even though The Who came first, I think they couldn't help but be influenced by LZ when they hit it big and you can tell the The Who got a lot heavier in the 70s.
A good guitarist but there are many better. And on an acoustic Page is second rate next to the likes of Leo Koetke, Richard Thompson, Bert Jansch, etc. etc.
@@davidt9238 All around guitarist are never usually greatest at anything. Page dabbled with acoustic, clearly, their full catalog shows his preference. "Great Guitarist" to most is technical ability on the instrument, how well they play. To me its how well they create art, as an artist, then taking that further into improv. and creating on the spot "live" masterfully with the instrument, like mentioned in my original post, to me is the definition of "greatest" something few can do.
@@sword-and-shield I think my focus on acoustic is a reaction to the many viewer comments on UA-cam saying what a great acoustic player he is. But I would think many people who listen to a lot of acoustic guitar music are probably of the opinion that he was nowhere near one of the best acoustic players of his day. That is all I wanted to say.
I love The Who. In many ways I like them better than the Beatles and the Stones. That’s mostly thanks to the rhythm section of Moon and Entwistle (who were both GIANTS on their respective instruments). But NOBODY could jam together like Zeppelin. Who’s own rhythm section, was obviously none-to-shabby! Competition in music is overrated anyway, just play what you feel, and the rest should fall into place, without the ego’s interference.
The Yardbirds was huge yes Led Zeppelin are big huge Page v Townsend different players and songwriters yes Pete you created Mod music earlier 60’s Both cool but Damn if a punk jazz Acid band combined just jam that would be cooler
Perhaps that's why the Who's fan base never ascended to the levels of Led Zeppelin's, and others. I'd heard it was so many different people that had made the famous COMMENT about the NEW YARDBIRDS group, but I heard it was Pete the most. "They'll never succeed...but fall like a Lead Zeppelin...", of course shortened to Led Zeppelin...sounds even more obvious now..
I did like a few other songs or who did like squeezebox behind blue eyes and who are you those were great songs but nothing compared to what Led Zeppelin did I think Pete Townsend was just plain jealous of Jimmy page that’s nobody else’s problem but His Own 🎸🎼🎶 I understand this a lot because I am a guitarist myself I’ve been one for 47 years hi say hats off to Led Zeppelin a great band that will go down in history They were Great 🎸🎼🎶😎☮️✌🏻👍🏼
Townshend is the biggest crybaby/prima donna in the world. He's been going on for decades about how "The Who" never got their due as a great rock band. If anyone alive ever needed to fall straight into a hubris truck.... They were great, they had a rabid following..."Tommy" was almost incomprehensible as an album. But his ego crippled him and arguably, they never did anything to the scope of another "Tommy". Pompous doesn't even begin to define Townshend.
Pete complains that the "four piece" line up of the Who consisting of: 1 loud bass, 1 loud drummer, 1 loud guitar player, & a lead singer, being copied by Zeppelin & "so many bands" yet admits he saw Jimmy already performing in a professional band when he (Pete) was 14 or 15. If that's the case then what's wrong with this picture? (01:26) Maybe it's just me but don't that look EXACTLY like the line up Pete swears Zep stole from him? Time to take yer meds now, mate! Lol
Yes, it so stupid, eh? Any case, if PT thinks that LZ were just about being loud, then he never listened to the music, many tracks of which feature Page playing acoutic guitar.
Sometimes you pronounce Townshend correctly and sometimes not. The h is not meant to be pronounced, so it's pronounced Townsend. There's a story I've read somewhere that Jimmy Page said he played lead guitar on 'I Can't Explain' and Pete Townshend, in a rage, went to Jimmy Page and thumped him saying 'never say that again' and that's when Jimmy changed his story. The normal saying is 'to go down like a lead balloon' so I can believe that was the first thing said.
Don't worry, Pete! No one compares you to Jimmy Page or to Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin will always be the greatest rock band in history. And seriously, you are never spoken of in the same sentence with Page. You're more famous for breaking guitars than playing them. Don't flatter yourself.
I'm not buying it. I bet Townshend secretly listens to Achilles Last Stand at least once a week, constantly searches youtube for recently released LZ bootlegs, and even named his cat Listen To This Eddie.
Traffic did 'move mountains' at the time- 1968-74. Most serious musicians are at least aware of Traffic, if not influenced by them. Of course, they didn't sell as well as some of the other groups named- probably because their music might have been too deep for some listeners.
It never ceases to amaze me how many bands had studio ringers cut their studio recordings, especially considering how much shit the Monkees got for doing the same thing.
The Monkees got more crap for not writing as opposed to not playing. At the time, the Monkees didn't seem to get a lot of crap from the bands however. John Lennon said he liked the show and what they did. Frank Zappa was good friends with Michael Nesmith. They were invited to hang out with the Beatles and Stones when they visited England in the 60s. The bands seemed to respect that the individual Monkees did have some talent and they knew they were just doing a tv show so it didn't bother them.
I liked The Who, but after seeing taped recordings of what he also thought of Jimi Hendrix, I’ve lost all respect for him! And Jimmy Page. Was a guitar genius! There Pete!
So much to unpack from this video. The upshot for me, as a huge Zep fan, is that Pete Townsend is one of the greatest guitarists of all time, within any genre. So is Jimmy. A hundred years from now people will be worshiping both of them and both bands, as they should. Bong hits for everyone!!
Get your facts straight. Zeppelin didn’t tour in the Starship until 1973. And, their records for concert performances were for single artist only. However, if a band like the Stones, who honor Rock ‘n Roll tradition, have always had opening acts. Thus, if you look at the Stones ‘72 Tour dates, they actually played two stadium shows and played more dates in LA and New York; often playing two shows in one day, as opposed to Zeppelin.
He,s not the only one of those early guys, who don't necessarily like Led Zep....for me ..im like others on here...I just enjoy all the dif. Styles...kinds of music
Both amazing bands. Zeppelin never really had a message or quotable lyrics, which was one reason critics never liked them. Journalists deal in words, so they love a lyricist like Pete Townshend, but seem to resent virtuoso musicianship.
"Journalists deal in words", please... there fuking music monkeys. If your looking for deep meaning from music then you need to get your priorities straight. It's back ground noise.
Jimmy Page played as a session musician on Who songs. Jimmy Page played as a session musician on Stones songs. Jimmy Page played as a session musician on Kinks songs. NOBODY ever played as a session guitarist on a Zeppelin song. Period.
True, but in the end The Who we’re the better band. And Townsend is a genius who can not only play amazing guitar but also compose brilliant music and write intelligent and meaningful lyrics.
@@PS987654321PS LOL, Who better than Zep. Not a chance.
That's because of the time line. By the time Led Zeppelin formed, they were a second-stage English Rock Band. The Stones, the Who, and the Kinks were seen by us American fans the cream of the original English Rock bands. Shel Talmey's insertion of another guitarist in the Who was a product of the times. Bands had more say by the time Zeppelin formed. In 1968, various members of the original bands were all branching out, trying to form "super groups"...i.e Winwood's Traffic, Clapton's Cream, etc.
The last sentence of my first reply was poorly written. What I meant to say: By the time Led Zeppelin formed in 1968, there was already a bit of phenomena of "super groups" of musicians leaving their former bands. This was an attempt to branch out musically, as they became more accomplished musicians. By this time, some Rock groups had achieved a track record of success and had more say in what music they were able to produce.
@@michaelmclaughlin6376 comparing The Who to Zep is actually unfair ...2 totally different bands . as the per norm back then..which was awesome
OMG!!! Another historic telling of seminal music and cultural history I’ve NEVER heard before.
PLEASE keep these coming. Please.
Many thanks!!!
Great pleasure to hear that, Rock 'N' Roll!
@@karsguitarchannel6088 word on the street is that Page's small contribution to I Can't Explain never made the final cut. Page was bragging to people that he played guitar on final version of I Can't Explain. Pete got wind of it. Confronted Page. Page didn't deny it. Pete punched him in the face, as Page cried, Pete called him a lying C*** and told him never to lie again. That is why Pete and Page don't discuss it. Who knows how it really went down.
I felt and thought exactly the same. 😍
Pete didn't like them because he couldn't carry Jimmy's guitar case.
Page was an extremely good guitarist for the time, some of his songs are still mesmerizing to this day. Say what you like about Jimmy but he blazed trails.
he also blazed pedophilia laws
I still think Jeff Beck was a better guitarist.
@@cenok420 You are referring to TOWNSHEND NOT PAGE!!
@@DanaWebb2017 You guys don't quit, do you?
@@DanaWebb2017 Torture. Must be a maga
What shocks me is there were so many great musicians like all at the same time in the same place all driving each other and competing. Incredible time.
How true, kinda like the Mississippi Delta Blues era.
I have always liked both Led Zepplin and The Who. That being said, quotes and stories attributed to Pete Townshend make him sound like an arrogant ass and it's a wonder The Who was so successful. He dishes on everyone, including his own band. I don't doubt Keith would have left if he had been able to. I've read that he went so far as to ask this band from Liverpool if he could join them and was told he would have to talk to their current drummer, Ringo Starr. Needless to say, it didn't go any further. Pete sounds more bitter than what people say about Van Morrison
He shouldn't be. His place in music is secure.
Tis interesting that all 'the best' guitarists emerged so close together. In the case of Beck, Page, and Clapton, all very similar age and geographically close to each other.
So what's going on there? My take is that boys at the time were widely fixated on guitars, so there were thousands of them giving it a go. Plus, the mood of the time made them very interested in pursuing technical proficiency.
What this suggests is that there are many potential Jimmy Pages out there in the world, even now. But they are just not motivated to pick up guitars and push them to the max. Just like there was once an ocean of brilliant black american blues and funk musicians, with mastery of their instruments, and now there are hardly any. The skills are still there in the population, but the interest is not. And such a pity!, as we are now left with tragically sub standard popular music.
@@jameshancock6455 Moon would soon realize he had the best job in the world, playing for the best. he said it loudly and often. the picture of Keith w/ a pair of sticks sitting behind his Premier 'pictures of Lily' kit, both bass drums reading THEWHO (in Superman lettering), wearing a T-shirt w/ exactly the same lettering, says it all about this man's loyalty. in the early days, they nearly shit-canned Roger for throwing speed (which they all loved except for Daltrey)down the toilet. he claimed it was throwing their timing off big time. in the late days of the band, Moon nearly got the axe for out of control drinking ,making his playing suck. during their mid -late'70's 18 month layoff, Moon lived in Malibu, and didn't practice ever. PT was working on the film soundtrack for 'QUADROPHENIA' and writing songs for 'WHO ARE YOU'. Keith played to live, and lived to play for TheWHO.
@@tonym994 That's true. But, earlier, he did ask either John or Paul about joining the Beatles and they are reported to have told him he would have to talk to Ringo. Obviously, even with any conflict, the Who found a way to work it out. Interesting, too, is Keith became Zak Starkey's Godfather and, after Keith's death, Zak ended up touring with the Who in Keith's place. Also Interesting. And, I know their styles are different and the Beatles stopped touring in 1966, but, Ringo said he never practiced, either. Yet, his skills never seemed to suffer.
Daltrey's explanation makes total sense. If "Can't Explain" was recorded "live" without laying down separate tracks serially - you needed the riff to be played simultaneous with the lead guitar solo. So both Townsend and Page were needed to do it properly. Nobody thinks that Townsend "couldn't play the parts".
It's pretty clear that Townsend thought Page tried to poach his band members, and that explains the animosity.
BTW, I am an equally big fan of both bands - they both made great music.
As the vocalist, Daltrey had less jealousy, less skin in the game. It also makes sense that Page would be modest about his contribution: he may not even vividly remember, having been so busy, & it's not a ghostwriter or session musician's job to grab the attention. Plus, why alienate PT any further after trying to steal his bandmates?
When Jimmy Page was asked about the development of guitar feedback, he said: I don't know who really did feedback first; it just sort of happened. I don't think anybody consciously nicked it from anybody else. It was just going on. But Pete Townshend obviously was the one, through the music of his group, who made the use of feedback more his style, and so it's related to him. Whereas the other players like Jeff Beck and myself were playing more single note things than chords.
Hendrix was the best for guitar sounds
Arguably gilmour too
One name springs instantly to mind. Jimi Hendrix
@@murphymoe753 Hendrix had one bloke who used to make his pedals. Hendrix understood what his axe could do, what his pedals could do and what his amps. could do.100 % knowledge on all those. And he could play like fuck. Stevie Ray Vaughan was one of the greatest blues guitarists that ever lived. I've got SRV doing Voodoo Chile. Sensational. I did an experiment one day. SRV followed by Hendrix doing Voodoo Chile. Hendrix blew Stevie Ray outta the ball park. Not many (if any) axe men can do that to SRV.
@@Total1Now Jimmy and Jimi.
Townshend has always comes across as a rather bitter unpleasant character. I've never seen a video of Jimmy Page bad mouthing anyone.
Page's the nicest dude...he just smiles and is always humble with his fans...any of them. He also praises his peers.
Townsend has always had his head up his ass
Jimmy was always high out of his head lol.
Cinematic Passages
A genius like Bert Jansch didn't REQUIRE praise from the likes of Page - any more than Ry Cooder or Richard Thompson do.
He should've just PAID the man, FFS.
@@cinematicpassages8884 a bit too "nice" to teenagers for my liking
I always thought The Who were part of the trifecta of early British invasion (The Who, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones) and Zepp was part of the middle invasion (Led Zeppelin , Deep Purple , Black Sabbath). Pete should be proud that he was part of a group that influenced Zeppelin, not jealous.... Great stories as always guys! Love it! : )
Many thanks Davy Boy, great pleasure to hear that!!!
I believe the British Invasion consisted of The Who, The Stones , The Beatles & The Kinks.
Zeppelin was odd man out
LOL I dont think Page was influenced by Pete. Ugh.
@@jimmorrison7102 Gotta include the Animals and the Zombies in there as well..
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LOL I don't think Page was capable of something as varied and nuanced as Rough Mix on his BEST day - not w/out JPJ's help at any rate
When I was a kid I liked Led Zeppelin. I now very much favor The Who. I have heard my fill of Led Zepplin. Pete Townsend is a hero to me now!
Led Zeppelin is a band for 17 year olds
@@westerling8436 lol...well said mate. I said the same thing years ago. You know I never got into zeppelin. I think it's because I don't like jimmy. I'm more of a Pink Floyd Beatles sycophant lol..✌🏻
The WHO 🎯 as far as I'm concerned were better than zeppelin. I'd rather listen to the who any day 👍🏻🇬🇧🎸
@@ProfessorKenneth same
Zepplin's first album was great, the rest were commercial B sides. The Who had quite a few great records....Townsend's guitar takes a back seat to nobody.
It's great that Daltrey and plant are friends and robert plant is Daltreys favorite rock god
Daltrey looks at Plant and asks, why the little girls shirts? Laughs
Also Plant has stated on many occasions his love and friendship of Daltrey and his admiration of The Who. Even when Plant was young he would sneak off to see The Who perform. And on tour Plant thanked The Who for allowing him to be on the same stage and tour and said, about The Who, we have the true original professionals in the house tonight.
I've never heard Jimmy Page bad mouth anyone .. he actually goes out of his way to compliment his contemporaries of the day.. Page , plant , jonesy and Bonham .. class act ....
Jimmy Page is just an amazing and talented guy! He doesn’t need to bash other musicians to make himself look good! Pete Townsend’s insecurities have caused him to badmouth others!
@@connietaubert1776 agreed 100%
Page has said some salty things bout Clapton
Pete's rhythm playing is outstanding - one of the best hard rock right hands in the business, and he's no slouch as a blues rock lead player - but this is clearly sour grapes from Pete. They both were brilliant game changers but Jimmy had so much more width and depth on the guitar. Its sad Pete insists on comparing himself to Jimmy, and feels Zep stole what would have been The Who's crown for hard rock whether he admits it or not .
And Pete also can sing
WRONG, Zeppelin were better than the Who, & Jimmy was better than Pete, if you dont agree, just listen to a Townsend solo, & then listen to a Page solo, & you will get it.
@@francishughes2016 Wrong they very different bands Townsend not only wrote better songs but he was the one who kept the beat in the Who as Moon could not keep a beat if he tried he was all drum fills and no rhythm.Page was just a great guitar player no more no less.
The only difference is that Jimmy Page blow Pete away in a all phases
@@kethughes8266 the one that's more less was pete
All these artists are legends today. We were very spoiled musically in the seventies. The Beatles,The Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Cream, Deep Purple etc. etc.
You need to mention the Kinks specifically because they added a totally different dimension to the British invasion bands.:)
@@davidt9238 the Kinks were good.
the beatles ceased to exist in 1970 dude... though lennon, harrison, mccartney and starr released excellent albums during this decade...
Is there anyone Pete doesn't dislike?
Little boys.
@Michael lees The Brits like to muddle the topic being discussed (Does Townsend not dislike anyone?) by conflating his predilection and arrest for frequenting websites featuring photos and then downloading the numerous illegal photos of very young prepubescent boys, with the superfluous topic of Jimmy Page's affair with a teenage girl.
@Michael lees You've muddled up the point by dragging Jimmy Page into the conversation, is that not abundantly clear?
@Michael lees But the comment/question had nothing to do with Jimmy Page: it was about Townsend only. The fact that he likes little boys has nothing to do with Jimmy Page and Lori Maddox.
However, I may have misunderstood what you wrote about "the Americans" and Townsend. Perhaps you were agreeing/expanding on my comments. If so, I apologize.
Pete has no reason to be insecure. He needs to let this go and appreciate another huge band.
After all, the essence of being insecure is that there is no need for it! Otherwise you're just being realistic..
Roger and Percy,to this day very good friends.Bonzo loved Moonie,Pete doen't even like himself!
facts
Roger also said publicly that the musician he'd like to play with the most is Jimmy Page.
He's correct. And so what if he didn't like them... I can see why he wouldn't. The substance of the two bands repertoire is like chalk and cheese. There's no doubt every rock act from the mid 60s owes something to the Who. That type of power and visceral approach began with them. And it isn't pronounced "townSHend".
@THE RENAGADE they certainly were.
@THE RENAGADE how so? I can’t figure out which band I like best. They’re both extremely good groups.
Townsend has nothing to be jealous about. Growing up in the late 60’s and early 70’s The Who were hugely successful. They wrote and recorded great masterpieces. But, like every other band, their time at the top ended as music evolved and Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath took over.
No he didn't. Pete was an exceptional guitarist and songwriter. However, he was said to be egomaniacal.
Zeppelin were mega successful. 8 number one albums in Britain and 6 in the USA.
The Who only had 1 number one album in the UK and 0 in the USA.
There was a massive gulf in success between the two bands.
Zeppelin have sold three or four times as many albums as The Who.
The Who were tops live up to 1975. Zep declined and Deep Purple and Sabbath took over.
@@lyndoncmp5751 so based on your own criteria, Garth Brooks, Elvis, The Eagles, are all better than Zep because they had more hits than Zep, more hit albums, and greater album sales than Zep, who would have thunk it.
@@lyndoncmp5751 I think based on your criteria, Michael Jackson and Madonna are better than Zep.
I read an interview once where Jimmy Page said he formed the concept for Led Zeppelin after hearing Jeff Beck Group's album "Truth."
Superior musicians and quick success created haters. I think there is a backstage interview of plant and Roger backstage in ‘05 ish. I think plant says to him “I remember seeing you when I was 15 and thinking, I can do that!” The Who definitely influenced Zep and many many others. Zep just took that to a level they didn’t or couldn’t
Spot on.
Many 60s rock musicians, critics and fans alike did not like the changes in the 70s music and they blamed Zeppelin's success for paving the way.
@@stickman1742 yeah I could see that. I guess what I hear is a bunch of bands from the 60s that were able to jam but not able to take it to next level. Granted some, the Beatles wrote great songs but for many it was just a party and if you could keep rhythm cool! Zep was blowing doors off the place and really playing with swagger, energy AND composition. The Who, Deep purple and Black Sabbath were close but not on the same level as Zep. To be fair it lasted about 5/6 years for Zep and I think that’s also where people started to hate on them. Plants voice gone, page on H, bonzo alcoholism. I were over the top by the mid/late 70s so I get it. But when they were on they were fantastic
"Town-shend"? No. It's Towns-hend, and you can pretty much leave the 'h' silent. The 's' and the 'h' do not interact. There is no 'sh' in Townshend. Please re-train your pronunciation of Townshend's name, just leave the 'h' out.
Funny in the first video we made on Pete Townsend, Shawn pronounced it like "Townzend" but later it transformed into "Townjend". Come on guys, no big deal. It's just pronunciation. As for me, Townjend sounds nice too. Shawn's from California, so his pronunciation may be different
What a wealth of talent all in one relatively small scene at this particular time! Not part of this story but floating around in the same milieu we also had guitarists such as Peter Green, Mick Taylor and Eric Clapton. Bonkers!
I think you forgot to mention rory gallagher!! 🎸
@@dougreed2257 Rory Gallagher 👍👍.(rip) Rory was Irish and not part the "British invasion" of the US musical scene. Also, Van the man and Them, Thin Lizzie and others.
@@seanmagee5669 ah of course, cheers,to me he's the greatest though! 😊👍
Don't forget Jeff Beck !
@@JoseHerrera-vs8nv Oh I wouldn't do that, for sure. I didn't mention Beck because he's already mentioned in the video, that's all.
Jimmy was/is a pretty happy guy. Pete, on the other hand, admits that he's been pretty unhappy for most of his life. And when you're unhappy, you spread it around. Just like if you're joyful, you spread that around, as well.
The Led Zeppelin group seemed pretty rare for those bands because as Pete says, they were all really nice guys. The sniping and infighting from the other English rock bands was never-ending. Page almost has nothing but nice things to say about all the other bands. He just seems to care about making good music and has a very optimistic outlook.
I think of the Who as hard rock pioneers while Led Zeppelin took it further by adding folk and indian music to the blues and hard rock. Led
Zeppelin did such a brilliant work!!!
And The Who took it farther with Tommy and Quadrofenia.
The Who were Good , and Pete Townsend is an Good Guitar Player but Zep and Jimmy Page are just way above Them in my Book , the Greatest Rock Band in History!!!!
@@darylhoskins5696 The Who live are the greatest.
@@trajan6927 Zeppelin live were mind boggling and put their audiences in a trance that's how good they were. Cheers Mate !!!
@@christopherekin1747 yep you admitted Zeps boring slop on stage. I thought the trance was, why the hell did I spend a fortune on these expensive Zep tickets to listen to this slop? At a Who concert, there was no trance, it was, GOD DAMN! And total involvment in the Who's talent and showmanship. A Who concert was not a boring trance, nor a concert, but an EVENT! Cheers mate.
Just another reason to see these rock legends as people and not rock gods. 🤔
Pete has been plagued with insecurity and may not have been technically as proficient on guitar as Jimmy Page or Beck, but he had amazing songwriting craftsmanship and soul to go with it, so definitely no lesser artist.
Great and True Statement, Rob. I agree.
Excellent analysis!
If you separate Pete's play on "Love ain't for Keeping" I say it is superior.
Jimmy page is a sloppy guitarist hes horrible who are you trying to kid Townshend is a much better guitarist than page and a better song writer.. oh that's right Zeppelin wrote very little of their own music Zeppelin road the coattails of fame on other Artist songs and music
@@thepatriot4355 Balogna,page was a creative guitarist and one of the most fundamental players to ever play.Are you jealous?
That confirms my suspicion, it WAS John Entwistle that said " It will go down like a lead zeppelin" not Keith Moon Peter Grant decided to drop the "a" in lead to remove any confusion
I love The Who but I prefer Led Zep. While they were incredibly heavy, they also had that beautiful light side.
Led Zeppelin was a Supergroup... to be honest..
They were all great players day one. There was no gestation period. They didn't have a lot to play, so they extended and Bonham played long drum solos. That started a trend.
@@peterh1353 shut up
That would have been true if Plant and Bonham were well known but they weren't major names.
@@peterh1353 yes the boring long drawn out drum solos.
The solo in "Can't Explain" is totally Townshend. That's not Page.
Why do multiple sources say that it was Page simply because they couldn't record two guitar tracks? I agree that it sounds more like Townshend to me but there are so many sources saying otherwise.
@@tomscholte603 Every book that I have says the two tracks were indistinguishable...didn't matter whose they used.
@@harrykadaras9459Are you sure that means lead tracks? I can't imagine how two different guitar players solos would be indistinguishable. And, at the end of the day, they still chose one. The question is, whose is it?
Word on the street is that Page was bragging that he played on I Cant Explain. Pete got wind of it and confronted Page who didnt deny it. Pete popped Page in the face and Page ran off crying as Pete called Page a f ing lying c*** and told Page to stop lying. Nothing has been said ever since. Who knows exactly what happened. Both guys wont talk about it as Pete doesnt want anyone to know Page does have a small part that didnt make the cut and Page doesnt want to be known as a liar and someone who got beat up by Pete, lol. Who knows!
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I concur, it was Pete.
There were many original forces within Led Zep. Jon Paul’s involvement is very under acknowledged, and obviously Bonzo’s unique timing, ability and energy cannot be touched by anybody.
There were a handful of talented superstars of that time. I was lucky enough to have lived through it and applaud them all. Thank you. Those of you still alive, just enjoy your millions and put it to good use for the good of mankind. With the sort of resources you guys have, just please use it all wisely.
I wasn't lucky enough to have lived back then, but I love and devour these old British bands and their music. I'm only 24, so my opinion may not have as much merit as yours, but regarding Bonham, who I think is amazing, I'd say that imho Baker is a notch above Bonham. Nevertheless, I appreciate your comment, and love to discuss these topics. I totally agree with you about JPJ, Zeppelins secret weapon. Cheers!
John Paul Jones is a GREAT musician..
@@WranglerJess97 I'm SOO happy you're carrying on the tradition of delving into these great bands, and appreciating them like folks should. This is great music, and I was born during the time, and remember listening to my older sister (by 11 years) and brother jamming to it, and thus my musical taste was born as well. Insure others hear it too..
Two of the greatest writers. To me Page was a superior player. But both wrote so many great songs you can't be anything but impressed at these two guys. And they both had great supporting bands.
Page a great writer??? he was a session player who stole other peoples ideas and passed them off as his own. Zep built their careers off covers.
@@brianshockledge3241 Yep. Led Zeppelin has nothing good. They had 1 track per album and that was it.
@@brianshockledge3241Jeez, that,s just NOT true, everyone stole from everyone else, that,s just a fact, but Jimmy took it so far away, that people singled Zepellin out, because they were so good. Everyone stole, NOT just Zeppelin.
@@francishughes2016 You are correct everyone stole but Zep took it to another level. There was a reason they were session players for so long they didn`t have enough original material for albums which is why they leaned so heavily on rehashed blues and folk numbers.
People resent Zep. They have good records and their sound was original. They played blues /rock which isn't supposed to be original in song structure so that whole thing is pretty funny.
I love Led Zeppelin
My man! 👌👍
Who cares? They're both great bands and for him to come out and make a statement like that is a massive mistake. It does nothing for his credibility. I'd take Zeppelin over The Who anyday though. The Who pioneered the audio visual concepts better than anyone with their rock operas but for balls out hard rock Zeppelin take the cake. Few bands can match Achilles Last Stand and Kashmir. Maybe only Yes have come close to such majesty. Townsend was a great songwriter but he was overshadowed by the rest of his band who were better musicians than him.
Wait Greta VanFleet lol 😆 😂 🤣 😅 😳 😄 😆
Guess you never heard Live At Leeds
Trajan,
Live at Leeds was after Zeppelin already had two albums out and had been playing 3 hour concerts for a while. Since early 1969.
@@lyndoncmp5751 and?
@@lyndoncmp5751 ok, I dont understand your point.
Anyone else love The Yardbirds as well?
Great coverage of an interesting moment in rock history. But, just so you know, it's Pete TownSend, not Pete TownJend : )
Many thanks for checking out, much appreciated!!! Funny in the first video we made on Pete Townsend, Shawn pronounced it like "TownZend" but later it transformed into "TownJend". Come on guys, no big deal. It's just pronunciation. As for me, TownJend sounds nice too. Shawn's from California, so his pronunciation may be different
Sorry But your TownJend is driving me nuts. Just say “Pete”!
The stones, the who and a lot if British bands hated zeppelin. They considered them tossers (posers). I really believe it was because they were threatened by them. I think bands that followed them like sabbath, purple and heavy bands worshipped them. Ritchie Blackmore fired his singer and bass player and switch to playing harder music after zeps first album came out.
It was either Geezer Butler or Bill Ward who said that when they listened to the first Zeppelin album they were completely blown away by it..
@@henryalva8819 Mick was more of a poser! 2 big posers is right. I cant believe they ever got that big. Stones had some cool songs, but as Mick Taylor himself said " Stones were a garage band with great promotion" Taylor was actually a good player, he did not fit in that band at all! When he finally could not stand the glam, drama, and fairy dancing he left right before the 1975 tour. They must have really pissed him off, to leave all the fame behind. Stones tried to recruit Rory Gallagher for a while, he turned them down every time. If ever there was an awesome pure bad ass great rocker with no gimmicks. no glam, that was 100% opposite of the Stones it was Rory! Listen to any Rory song. He was far ahead of Clapton, right up there with SRV!
I love the stones and The Who. I also believe it was fashionable for bands to put down other bands eventhough many of them were friends.
@@michaelcraig9449 From what I remember, the reason was drugs. Taylor left because he'd developed a heroin habit, knew he needed to get "clean" and that he never would as long as he was in the Stones.
It’s funny that Zeppelin fans just can’t believe that some people just don’t like Zeppelins music, when someone says they don’t like them Zeppelin fans always think there has to be a reason for it.
Keith Richards doesn’t like Led Zeppelin and he said he didn’t like then even before Zeppelin got really big. He was the only one in the Stones who said he didn’t like them.
By the way Shawn hung out with John Entwistle at the Rainbow bar in the 80s
My 2 favorite English bands from the day Who couldn’t be any more different. Got to see the Who, missed Zep. Bonham passing cancelled the concert I would have seen. Daltry and Plant were amazing frontmen. I liked early Zeppelin and late Who. Led Zeppelin mesmerized me in those days, Lynyrd Skynyrd also. Think I’ll listen to Jimmy’s work with the Black Crowes tomorrow at work.
I saw the Who twice, Page and Plant 3 times , the Firm once and JP w/Black Crows once. Stones twice, Pink Floyd twice, SRV twice, Clapton twice, Deep Purple twice, Van Halen, Allman bros, Skynyrd etc...the list goes on and on ...
Back when rock and roll was Rock and Roll. Probably at least 50 different bands. Times have changed, those days are no longer what a shame.
The Who were great. Great live band too but, the Zeppelin were pure power. They had the Led!! Love both bands!
Honestly between The Who & Zeppelin's own respective live performances, Led Zeppelin are like a broadsword. The Who are like a sledgehammer. I mean watching Who shows like Shepperton or Rpck n Roll Circus, the power of footage just leaps off the screen. Led Zeppelin seems more refined and versatile musically. Each member of Zeppelin seems more in control. But also much tamer, in a way, as live performers. On the recordings though, I feel Led Zeppelin's drums were MUCH better recorded than The Who, so many of their records Bonham is front & center. Page was an innovator in how drums could recorded.
I love both of them too. There’s no way for me to choose the best. Zep and Who were both fabulous live and recorded.
The Who still had that restricted pop persona. They never really upped the anti.
Thank you for sharing this! I love The Who so very much, but can't stand Led Zeppelin.
The Who lost all of their power the day John Entwistle died. Pete has even made comments that they're not the same without him.
You are very welcome Daniel, thank you!
I can listen to Plant’s voice for maybe two tracks. Then I have to turn it off. Give me Hendrix, Paul Rogers, Steve Winwood, Pete Townsend or a host of other vocalists. The list is endless.
A ton of amazing facts on this! Awesome.
Question; are you pronouncing Pete’s last name as TownSHEND?
Many thanks! Yes Shawn is from LA, so sometimes he pronounces Pete's last name TownShend. But I explained that it's pronounced Townsend
I love 💕 Pete! Who Rocks better !!!!
It's bizarre how both drummers died, almost the same way, alcohol. Both came through the Psychedelic phase of music. At the peak of both, a band from Down Under was coming up, AD/DC. Just think, Jimmy Page wanted to be a doctor at first because he wanted to cure cancer. So glad he decided differently.
Strange conclusion.
Keith died from a overdose of the pills that were supposed to stop him drinking.
You need to reconsider your values.
Do you hinestly think Jimmy Page would have made the difference and actually cured cancer? He would have been one of the docs testing cocain on spiders lol@@ewandmunro
I agree about Townsend not playing notes. He plays more of a rhythm-lead "bang chords". John Entwistle played a "lead bass". "My Generation" on "Live at Leeds" is my favorite Townshend guitar.
Absolutely, great insight
1000%. Townshend is a Genius musician, Case closed, case re-opened and case closed Again.
I listen to the Who jam on My Generation all the time. Definitely their best live track.
Once I read in an interview with Ted Nugent when asked about Townshend. "He's a great rhythm guitarist. When he goes for a lead...I cringe. When he plays a power chord ..I refocus "
But often it is good rhythm guitarists which are principle song writers. The musical world was smaller back then. So I am sure all the British players ran into each other regularly. Sometimes the collisions resulted in good music, other times squabbles
Yeah, I never think of ripping solos when I think of Pete. But his phrasings and that TONE...there were/are enough people running up and down the fretboard. Most of that stuff gets boring to me after like ten seconds. But Pete digging into those chords, I could listen to that all day.
Who cares who was the best let's enjoy the music 🎶 👍
No! We need a champ champ! 💪
I think most all musicians (artists) have some amount of insecurity no matter how big they get. And that the arrogance and pompous attitude is a way of compensating for it.
Because he can’t play like Jimmy Page
And vice versa
Two other notes which may or may not have been mentioned. One of Page's original choices for lead vocal for Zep was Steve Mariott (of Small Faces fame). Apparently their manager got wind of it and told Page essentially 'how would you like to play guitar with your fingers broken?', Terry Reid was his next choice who declined but suggested Plant.
The other thing was just the observation that it was fairly accepted that Live at Leeds, the Who's most in your face guitar rock record, was Townsend's direct response to Led Zeppelin's early success as a 'See, I can play guitar too' retort. So , yeah I think there was a little bit of jealousy.
There was clearly a lot of jealousy between all the English rock bands back then often within the bands as well. Just listen to all their comments about each other. I guess that what happens when talented people are all competing in the same arena.
1971 was a great year for both bands
Pete is so neurotic, lol. Probably where all his talent stems from.
Yeah Pete was jealous of Led Zeppelin cos they were much bigger than The Who. That was a thing back then, the jealousy bit. They were envious of each other’s talents every now and then. I also read somewhere once that when the Beatles were out , a lot of the British groups and musicians hated them and thought of their music as nothing really to care for. Even jimmy page has gone on record saying the Beatles didn’t do anything meaningful til magical mystery tour, that is pure jealousy right there. Ginger baker said the Beatles weren’t worth the hype as they weren’t good musicians, again jealousy. They were all jealous that no other group ever became as big nor surpassed the popularity of the Beatles even after their breakup.
Jimmy page is the owner, producer and main songwriter of one of the greatest rock bands of all time. There's no one like Jimmy Page in any other bands Beatles/Stones/Floyd/Who..etc There's no need for Jimmy page to be jealous of a band like Beatles, He was just being honest. Early Beatles are the original boyband in history. Labels have been assembling their own Beatles since Beatle-mania,But it would be hard to getting three guys together who are capable of starting their own band,then making them sign contracts that basically leaving all the rights and major share of money of thier work. Then all the quiet/funny/smart/cute and clown acts. From monkeys to BTS, early Beatles are the blueprint for all the boybands followed. BTS is now moving to universal label, probably they will be marketed as the greatest band of 21'st century after 40-50 years
Beatles masters are owned by the label and publishing rights is owned by Sony,Marketed greatness and Popularity. Led Zeppelin was always "let the music do the talking" and will remain the same as long as Jimmy Page is alive. Beatles are more popular than all the classic bands expect Queen and will be more popular over time for atleast Paul McCartney's lifetime+ 75 years. More movies,cartoons,T.V series pretty much anything that will expose Beatles to a new generation and eventually a "Bohemian Rhapsody" like movie that will come out in near future.
History of boybands - ua-cam.com/video/Y7Udhetp0Zc/v-deo.html
@@keithrichards6569 lol the Beatles weren’t a boyband, thats what all the jealous people tend to call them. They were a rock group playing rock songs, pop songs, old standards, musicals etc. They launched so many other rock groups and opened the door for so many British rock groups including Led Zeppelin. You say jimmy page has nothing to be jealous of the Beatles but he does. You see, when it comes to the title of greatest rock group, the Beatles always, always take it. Led Zeppelin tends to come in second and rightfully so, they were an amazing rock group but just can’t top the Beatles. Jimmy always wanted to be number one, unfortunately that can’t happen in this instance so he is jealous. For you to say jimmy was being honest about the Beatles having nothing of worth till magical mystery tour is really a silly statement. If you check the clip here on UA-cam you’ll see how everyone says jimmy didn’t know what he was talking about to make such a ridiculous statement, even Led Zeppelin fans say he was way off saying something like that. Lastly , the Beatles played twist and shout, i saw her standing there, roll over Beethoven, rock and roll music, I’m down, paperback writer, revolution, halter smelter etc so many more songs that were hard hitting rockers so for you to call them a boyband really shows you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
@@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020 I guess Billboard and Telegraph are also jealous of The Beatles. The pre-rubber soul era Beatles are the original boyband, the band that sang "she loves you yeah "×120 times, screaming teenage girls and all the quiet/funny/cute/smart acts...etc
Probably Jimmy Page doesn't remember whether "magical mystery tour" or Revolver came out first. I guess he mentioned "magical mystery tour" as mid-phase of Beatles career. Page never really cared for 3 minute "verse" "chorus" Pop songs and hated Zeppelin's "livin loving maid" probably most Beatles-like song in catalogue.
All this greatest/best things are subjective. For some it's Zeppelin others Floyd/Stones/The Who/Queen/Beatles..etc There's no such thing as Beatles or Zeppelin are always best. You can always find poles and musicians claiming "x" band is best/greatest..
I don't think Page/McCartney/Jagger these guys care about who is best or worst. Jimmy page is the owner of his work, page owns the master tapes and publishing rights to Led Zeppelin. Nothing happens to Led Zeppelin unless he wants to, McCartney came close to that feeling for the first time (being your own Boss) in 2016 and sold that to Sony for some undisclosed amount(I guess he was a Billionaire by that time). Probably Sony and universal could manage Beatles' legacy better. If the title "greatest boyband ever" would bring more young people to listen,they would do it. Beatles popularity will surely increase till the copyright expires for sure.
@@keithrichards6569 the Beatles don’t have the title of the greatest boy band , their title is the greatest rock band of all time. But hey listen, if it makes you feel better calling them a boy band then go right ahead. You sound like those critics in the 70s who called Led Zeppelin a heavy metal band who panned Led Zeppelin 3 as being full of heavy metal noise etc. You keep going on about how jimmy page owns his work, so what? That has nothing to do with the music. That’s good that he owns it, good for him, still doesn’t take away from them being considered number 2 in list of greatest rock bands behind the Beatles and that is a fact.
@@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020 Beatles being the greatest boyband of all time is my opinion. But first 3 minutes of this video clearly explains why early Beatles are the original boyband ( including articles from Billboard and Telegraph) ua-cam.com/video/Y7Udhetp0Zc/v-deo.html
But you just don't see it. So Beatles #1, Zeppelin #2 ,Who is #3?
It seems like more and more quotes or interviews I hear from Townshend, he comes across as angry and unhappy. He is a great talent, but a miserable person apparently.
I have been around a bit and Townshend is the only famous guy who would talk to you - an ordinary member of the public - for any length of time on any subject you like.
Makes sense. He had an abusive childhood
An old article stated that Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townshend were vying for who was the better guitarist when Zeppelin hit the scene and neither could hit Page's level.
Page tried to poach Entwistle and Moon from the Who. To hell it wasn't personal. I always wondered about this I Can't Explain session that Page played rhythm guitar on. The Daltrey revelation is bizarre. Of course Townshend was pissed at Page.
Loved by The Who but Pete was and still is full of himself.
Roger daltrey is a great guy
The Led Zeppelin reunion concert in London held many years ago now, had something like 20 million ticket requests. (if I'm remembering that number correctly) I guess that Pete had reason to be jealous. I lived thru those wonderful years when these bands were new, and I loved both bands. But I loved Zeppelin a wee bit more.
Not gonna hammer Townsend, but Page never bragged. His playing said everything he didn't need to say himself.
Who would fight over credit for that shitty little solo, (more of a riff really) in I Can't Explain? It did seem a little too clean to be Pete though, but I'm sure he had his moments of not being a total fretboard slob. LOL!
Don't get me wrong, Page could be pretty damned sloppy too, (especially on his long-drawn-out self-indulgence during live performances).
thank the heroin for that which basically ruined Page in the latter '70s..
Such great insights! The history of Page’s contributions fascinates me. Thanks so much!
You are very welcome Mark Brady, thank you! Great pleasure to hear that
Page never bad mouths anyone. He is always publicly gracious. The who were a great band but Townsend comes across as bitter. Townsend is probably bitter and jealous because as time has gone on Zeppelin has grown in statue and the Who has diminished. Zep were and are bigger, better and way more adventurous in every way.
Jealousy, envy and bitterness are certainly part of human nature!!!!!!
Ironic that Pete felt his bandmates 'would all end up in the flower market' without him, but was also terrified they'd leave the band.
Both different styles, both greatest rock bands ever. Townshend was right in saying without him, there wouldn't of been the WHO. I've heard Daltrey try to give himself credit for the success of the WHO, and he is a good vocalist, but it was Townshends songwriting. Briliiant musician and composer. Led Zeppelin, great song writing and no one can come close to Plants vocals. In his prime he was the greatest rock vocalist ever.
Neither really knew what they were doing they just made it up as they went along. Daltrys voice and charisma were just as important to the who's success IMHO.
Plant had a great studio voice. On stage and as a frontman Plant was not great, rememba lafta. I can name 20 frontmen better than Plant anyday of the week. Daltrey had a great studio voice and was a super badass frontman who acted like a man..
Fascinating historical trivia. Thanks for uploading :) And Vale Jeff.
I just don't get Pete's animosity toward Led Zeppelin. Most people who love Led Zeppelin, also love the Who, and vice-versa. And let's face it, both Page and Townshend were great composers and players, but, on the guitar at least, it should be evident to anybody that Page blew Townshend away on that beautiful instrument. Please don't get me wrong, as I love both prodigies, as well as the respective bands that they led. [edit] Btw, Roger Daltry loves Led Zeppelin.
It’s interesting how some musicians in the band sometimes think they ‘own’ one another, almost like in a bad marriage. I’m an old musician and I consider myself an independent contractor at all times.
Townsend disliked Led Zeppelin because it was founded by Jimmy Page. Page had tried to hire Kieth Moon and John Entwistle away from Townsend and Daltry. Period. QED.
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THE WHO outperformed Zeppelin LIVE every time they played....
NOT A CHANCE.....
'the song remains the same' is much better than 'live at leeds....'
compare 'no quarter' to 'magic bus'....?
I love zep and the who....BOTH were superb with good songs....
and until page started putting drugs before the music in 74, zep were unstoppable live....
Daltrey is better than Plant....
Entwistle and Jonesy are about equal....
Page is better than Townshend....
Bonzo is better than Moon....
both bands had great chemistry....
tommy/quadrophenia/who's next/who are you....from the who....
four symbols/houses of the holy/physical graffiti/presence....from zep....
@@volpeverde6441 I saw Zep once...in 1975 I believe and they bored me to sleep almost. Page was obviously stoned and listless, their songs are foregettable and the 45 minute drum solo drove EVERYBODY to take a piss and buy a couple beers. Saw THE WHO in 71, 76, 79 and 82 and the the first three shows were all in my Top 10 concerts EVER along with Deep Purple 73, Van Halen 78, Ten Years After 75, Jethro Tull 71, Foghat 76, Frampton 76 and UFO 79. Best LIVE album is easily "Strangers in the Night"
@Steve Ludwig
I saw LED ZEPPELIN at KNEBWORTH in 1979 and they played well....there was no drum solo and songs were kept to the 10 minutes mark....
I see you don't mention the time that Keith Moon collapsed with booze and horse tranquillisers and had to be carried off....LED ZEPPELIN have never had to ask fans to sit in because a musician was fucked up....
maybe not the BEST live album - but takes some beating is PURPLE'S MADE IN JAPAN....
@@volpeverde6441 I had Made in Japan at #1 for a long time. And Led Zep was STONED every night they performed.
@Steve Ludwig Jimmy Page was stoned....
I think Plant and Jones (partially) keep their habits to themselves....Bonham started to overindulge on the 77 tour....but could still play....
you are trying to make out LED ZEPPELIN never did a good show....when they held records for attendances in many stadiums....and album sales....I think you'll find they beat the who....
that is why Pete hates them....
I bet Pete Townsend and Ginger Baker would have a lovely conversation about other bands! 😂
This is actually interesting I always thought Pete was older than Jimmy because the Who came first before Zeppelin. It was Beatles Stones and The Who then it was the harder stuff like Zeppelin Purple and Sabbath. Then the heavier stuff like Maiden Priest and Motorhead. I guess it makes sense as to how Zeppelin became so huge he just knew the industry and had experience with every other band around all's he needed was the right players for the sound he wanted to make. But imo Zeppelin sounds nothing like The Who Pete just sounds jealous.
I used to prefer LZ over The Who, but as I got older I definitely got more of an appreciation for The Who. Both were great bands though. I do think Pete Townshend was jealous of LZ's success, but I sort of get it. LZ had a very similar sound to The Who and even a similar look (long blond haired front men known for their rock screams). But, even though The Who came first, I think they couldn't help but be influenced by LZ when they hit it big and you can tell the The Who got a lot heavier in the 70s.
Except Led Zeppelin were musically brilliant, they were mysterious, mystical and weird. And I truly love that!
You need cooling
Baby I'm not fooling
I'm gonna send ya
Back to schooling
I wanna be your backdoor man
Hey, oh, hey, oh
In the end, once Jimmy busted out the bow on Dazed and Confused at MSG nobody even comes close, then or now. Thanks for the vid brother.
Many thanks for checking out, much appreciated!!!
You nailed it!
A good guitarist but there are many better. And on an acoustic Page is second rate next to the likes of Leo Koetke, Richard Thompson, Bert Jansch, etc. etc.
@@davidt9238 All around guitarist are never usually greatest at anything. Page dabbled with acoustic, clearly, their full catalog shows his preference. "Great Guitarist" to most is technical ability on the instrument, how well they play. To me its how well they create art, as an artist, then taking that further into improv. and creating on the spot "live" masterfully with the instrument, like mentioned in my original post, to me is the definition of "greatest" something few can do.
@@sword-and-shield I think my focus on acoustic is a reaction to the many viewer comments on UA-cam saying what a great acoustic player he is. But I would think many people who listen to a lot of acoustic guitar music are probably of the opinion that he was nowhere near one of the best acoustic players of his day. That is all I wanted to say.
Didn't realize there was so much rivalary, competition and bitterness floating around these guys.
I love The Who. In many ways I like them better than the Beatles and the Stones. That’s mostly thanks to the rhythm section of Moon and Entwistle (who were both GIANTS on their respective instruments). But NOBODY could jam together like Zeppelin. Who’s own rhythm section, was obviously none-to-shabby!
Competition in music is overrated anyway, just play what you feel, and the rest should fall into place, without the ego’s interference.
You can’t be a legendary musician without an ego
The Yardbirds was huge yes Led Zeppelin are big huge Page v Townsend different players and songwriters yes Pete you created Mod music earlier 60’s
Both cool but Damn if a punk jazz Acid band combined just jam that would be cooler
Perhaps that's why the Who's fan base never ascended to the levels of Led Zeppelin's, and others. I'd heard it was so many different people that had made the famous COMMENT about the NEW YARDBIRDS group, but I heard it was Pete the most. "They'll never succeed...but fall like a Lead Zeppelin...", of course shortened to Led Zeppelin...sounds even more obvious now..
I did like a few other songs or who did like squeezebox behind blue eyes and who are you those were great songs but nothing compared to what Led Zeppelin did I think Pete Townsend was just plain jealous of Jimmy page that’s nobody else’s problem but His Own 🎸🎼🎶
I understand this a lot because I am a guitarist myself I’ve been one for 47 years hi say hats off to Led Zeppelin a great band that will go down in history They were Great
🎸🎼🎶😎☮️✌🏻👍🏼
Townshend is the biggest crybaby/prima donna in the world. He's been going on for decades about how "The Who" never got their due as a great rock band. If anyone alive ever needed to fall straight into a hubris truck.... They were great, they had a rabid following..."Tommy" was almost incomprehensible as an album. But his ego crippled him and arguably, they never did anything to the scope of another "Tommy". Pompous doesn't even begin to define Townshend.
Ritchie Blackmore is right up there too lol...
Very informative. Thanks for the insight.
Many thanks, great pleasure!
Pete complains that the "four piece" line up of the Who consisting of: 1 loud bass, 1 loud drummer, 1 loud guitar player, & a lead singer, being copied by Zeppelin & "so many bands" yet admits he saw Jimmy already performing in a professional band when he (Pete) was 14 or 15. If that's the case then what's wrong with this picture? (01:26) Maybe it's just me but don't that look EXACTLY like the line up Pete swears Zep stole from him? Time to take yer meds now, mate! Lol
Yes, it so stupid, eh? Any case, if PT thinks that LZ were just about being loud, then he never listened to the music, many tracks of which feature Page playing acoutic guitar.
Sometimes you pronounce Townshend correctly and sometimes not. The h is not meant to be pronounced, so it's pronounced Townsend. There's a story I've read somewhere that Jimmy Page said he played lead guitar on 'I Can't Explain' and Pete Townshend, in a rage, went to Jimmy Page and thumped him saying 'never say that again' and that's when Jimmy changed his story. The normal saying is 'to go down like a lead balloon' so I can believe that was the first thing said.
JImmy Page played on Goldfinger with Shirley Bassey? Really? Wow, that seals if for me. Very cool.
Don't worry, Pete! No one compares you to Jimmy Page or to Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin will always be the greatest rock band in history. And seriously, you are never spoken of in the same sentence with Page. You're more famous for breaking guitars than playing them. Don't flatter yourself.
I'm not buying it. I bet Townshend secretly listens to Achilles Last Stand at least once a week, constantly searches youtube for recently released LZ bootlegs, and even named his cat Listen To This Eddie.
If you like this, just watch the documentary "My Generation". A fantastic film that covers British attitudes of music and culture during the 1960's.
John Paul Jones was no slouch and played bass and keyboards on many sessions.
Traffic did 'move mountains' at the time- 1968-74. Most serious musicians are at least aware of Traffic, if not influenced by them. Of course, they didn't sell as well as some of the other groups named- probably because their music might have been too deep for some listeners.
It never ceases to amaze me how many bands had studio ringers cut their studio recordings, especially considering how much shit the Monkees got for doing the same thing.
The Monkees got more crap for not writing as opposed to not playing. At the time, the Monkees didn't seem to get a lot of crap from the bands however. John Lennon said he liked the show and what they did. Frank Zappa was good friends with Michael Nesmith. They were invited to hang out with the Beatles and Stones when they visited England in the 60s. The bands seemed to respect that the individual Monkees did have some talent and they knew they were just doing a tv show so it didn't bother them.
It's weird to be bitter about inspiring one of the great bands of all time.
I liked The Who, but after seeing taped recordings of what he also thought of Jimi Hendrix, I’ve lost all respect for him! And Jimmy Page. Was a guitar genius! There Pete!
Led Zeppelin is my favorite band of all-time but the who were awesome with a different energy and talent. Love both but to me Zeppelin is number one
So much to unpack from this video. The upshot for me, as a huge Zep fan, is that Pete Townsend is one of the greatest guitarists of all time, within any genre. So is Jimmy. A hundred years from now people will be worshiping both of them and both bands, as they should. Bong hits for everyone!!
Get your facts straight. Zeppelin didn’t tour in the Starship until 1973. And, their records for concert performances were for single artist only. However, if a band like the Stones, who honor Rock ‘n Roll tradition, have always had opening acts. Thus, if you look at the Stones ‘72 Tour dates, they actually played two stadium shows and played more dates in LA and New York; often playing two shows in one day, as opposed to Zeppelin.
He,s not the only one of those early guys, who don't necessarily like Led Zep....for me ..im like others on here...I just enjoy all the dif. Styles...kinds of music
Zep shortened "Lead" to "Led" because they knew Americans would pronounce it "Leed."
Both amazing bands. Zeppelin never really had a message or quotable lyrics, which was one reason critics never liked them. Journalists deal in words, so they love a lyricist like Pete Townshend, but seem to resent virtuoso musicianship.
"Journalists deal in words", please... there fuking music monkeys. If your looking for deep meaning from music then you need to get your priorities straight. It's back ground noise.