As a sensible person, I have listened to this man for many years! As a Muslim, I have to say that he is one of the most sensible and ethical people on social media. Even funny at times.
As a Muslim, I was raised with the concept that if God provides me with more than I need, then it is only because he is giving me an opportunity to help others in need. The order of priority in Islamic teaching is firstly to support the direct family, then neighbors, then extended family, and finally if something else is left over, to charities that need support. Ideally, if the community has followed the same process, then charities would be burdened by less and it would all balance out. The subjective part, of course, is trying to determine how much I “need”... 3 months of savings...? 3 years? That’s the “jihad” (translation: struggle) that we are meant to face most often.
@Jordan B. Peterson's Pet Communist Lobster We have seen how commies have genocided Christians, Muslims, Buddhists in the Soviet Union and China, we see communism as threat to our religion and tradition, we will always be on our guard against communism. We would be crazy to want to be sent to commie gulags and be happy about it.
Does it often happen when god provides someone more than they need? LOL This is only valid for hunter-gatherer savage tribes like Bushmen who really survive on what God provides for them. and the follow that rule but they do not believe in Allah LOL
@@deltaxcd "Does it often happen when god provides someone more than they need? LOL" It happens all the time, you just have to look at people below your own social status.
@@f1aziz I think there is a difference between what I earn with my own work and what I get from God because it is one thing If I found a bag of money while walking on the street as a gift from god. I can share that with other people. But if rather than finding it I had to spend my own time and effort to get that money, then sorry rather than giving it to other people I will just not bother earning it at all and make a vacation for myself so I will have nothing to give to others. If you still work when you have spare money which you can give to others you are just stupid.
@@deltaxcd "I think there is a difference between what I earn with my own work and what I get from God" And this is where our Islamic beliefs comes in. Everything we got, every material possession, mental or emotional sanctification even our very next breath is a blessing from Allah and Allah alone. We have the free will to choose what we do with the blessings we have in this life, to spend our blessings for the good or be selfish. As Muslims believe in the afterlife, we believe we will be rewarded for all the good we do in this temporary existence. We have been strongly instructed to be charitable, empathetic, sympathetic and merciful to those who are in need. As charity and mercy are one the most pleasing actions to Allah. Yes Allah asks us to work hard to think to ponder to strive for our living, but ultimately He alone decides what and how much we get. I have seen plenty of smart hard working people failing miserably and also seen people who didn't have to do much for whatever they got. As Muslims we believe our success is Allah's blessings our failures are our faults alone. I had to work hard for everything I got but Allah has blessed me more than I ever even dreamed of, in fact sometimes I feel I don't deserve any of this. All the excess I have is a test for me, do I spend it on things that satisfies my ego or do I spend it helping people in need? I know I am going to be asked to account for whatever I have got on the judgement day. We came to this world empty handed, we will leave with everything left behind. We will only take with us our actions. Of course everything I just said would not make any sense if one doesn't even believe in God at all. Salam\Peace
Before gender, colour & religion, we are all human beings. One race, living on one planet, one breath at a time. Humanity, without humanity will eat itself.
@BoulderPM Well, deregulated capitalist countries have failed miserably to ensure their people survive and prosper during the inevitable economic crises in capitalism, as well as during this pandemic. Countries that have brought their economies under democratic govt control have survived economic crises and this current pandemic, and have prospered much more than equivalent capitalist countries. While #capitalism suffered its #GreatDepression, the #USSR prospered thru #socialism. Then when the #USA reimposed unregulated #capitalism on #Russia with their US-backed Yeltsin govt, the people there suffered an economic crisis with widespread poverty ua-cam.com/video/_Y-TWFKw4tU/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/933jsB5ChlA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/6_5XBXEvkXw/v-deo.html E.g. compare living standards and average lifespans in Cuba with capitalist Third World countries, like Brazil, Haiti, Jamaica, the Philippines, etc.. E.g. compare the % of population who have died from #COVID19 in the #USA with #China: www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200723-covid-19-sitrep-185.pdf And remember, #China's govt has lifted 800 million people out of poverty: ua-cam.com/video/Cw8SvK0E5dI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/Ff_ZkwJmfWQ/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/s0YjL9rZyR0/v-deo.html
@BoulderPM Actually, china was at the mercy of US which opened its market to cheap Chinese products, and this destroyed US production almost entirely. There is no such thing as "free-market" anywhere on earth. It neer as and never ill be. In contrast to China, USSR did all on their own power and while also being under attack of the entire capitalist world pretty much just like north Korea. nevertheless, USSR managed to become the world second superpower from the third wold shithole which it was before soviets took power.
@BoulderPM Well considering the fact that the black markets are illegal and extremely repressed by all governments they are definitely not free by definition. also, I would doubt your estimated numbers or terminology because maybe you refer to something else? like barter or unaccounted market in third world countries But even that market is not free as it is controlled by the mafia or local communities. and those markets are pretty small. >China made their markets much more free in 1979 to save their economy. You should research it, it’s common knowledge. Not sure how is all that relevant because this was the time when China started exporting goods into the US and receiving foreign investments. markets in china are not even remotely free by any means, the state controls everything and just tries to create an illusion of the free market because it was required to get permission to enter the US market. The US constantly complains about that. Even today, the Chinese domestic market is pretty small in comparison to exports and if the US closes its market to China again, China will face total economic collapse, because they will have nowhere to sell their products. (us will face social collapse as well because they will have nothing on sale either LOL as they do not produce anything anymore)
@BoulderPM If I got it right your idea is that "free-market" brings people from poverty and I obviously disagree and try to prove you wrong because there is no free market in China and other reasons. Just because China made its market freer means nothing because the reason for economic growth is the result of esports and foreign investment, not the result of the free market. If you take an example of the soviet union which actually made it market freer too, rather than bringing prosperity it ended with total collapse and disintegration of the state. A transaction between 2 people does not fit the definition of "market", as the market is the place where more than 2 people make transactions with each other. (when you have a choice with whom you will make the transaction.) The "free market" is the market where anyone can freely enter and make their offer. This kind of thing does not really exist in any significant scale because you will need permission from someone to enter the market and get the right to sell or buy there. I am not aware of any place in existence where anyone can enter to buy and sell stuff without the permission of the owner of that place
I've lived amongst Muslims and they are far from what the west have portrayed them to be..... Thanks prof for being sensitive and just when explaining the sensibilities in a wonderful way
there is a big difference between what Muslims do and what Islam requires them to do, in this case the Islamic financial system which is not followed by any Muslim country today. That system sustained the Islamic empire for a 1,000 years until western systems came in
Narrated Anas ibn Malik: “The people said: Messenger of Allah , prices have shot up, so fix prices for us. Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Allah is the one Who fixes prices, Who withholds, gives lavishly and provides, and I hope that when I meet Allah, none of you will have any claim on me for an injustice regarding blood or property.” (Sunan Abi Dawood 3451) Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)
@@kkiyomi902 it still works today, it's just used by Muslim halal banks and Muslims themselves rather than a country, well, except for the autonomous state of Puntland in Somalia, the entire region follows an Islamic economic system.
chapter 107 of Holy Quran 107:1 Have you seen the one who denies the Recompense? 107:2 For that is the one who drives away the orphan 107:3 And does not encourage the feeding of the poor. 107:4 So woe to those who pray 107:5 [But] who are heedless of their prayer - 107:6 Those who make show [of their deeds] 107:7 And withhold [simple] assistance.
Thing which strikes me the most about Islam is that not only is charging of interest considered a sin, paying interest is ALSO considered a sin. Thereby making sure that muslims not only are stopped from creating unjust and exploitative systems but are also not supporting any such system indirectly. Unfortunately, reality is far from this and muslims do pay and receive interest. Staggers me that such little work has been done on Islamic economics.
This pretense that Islam is leftist is ludicrous. I'm not even talking about social justice bullshit like views on women, black people, jews, lgbt, but the idea you impose a theocracy on people and charge a tax to non Muslims is nothing more than an imperialist protection racket. And whereas leftist ideology generally supports atheism or secularism Islam encourages an Islamic caliphate, wherein pagans and apostates can be murdered.
@Mohammad Rahman I don't believe Jesus was a socialist, no. You could cherrypick some charitable quotes but he was a theocrat, same as Mohammed and other religious leaders.
@Mohammad Rahman I am Marxist-Leninist, increasingly Stalinist as a reaction to the social justice cancer on the left. I admire a lot of aspects of Yugoslavia and Vietnam too.
Calvinist teachings that wealth was a Godly blessing, and poverty was God's punishment for sin and sloth. It has devolved into an economic trial by combat, where a wealthy person driving a poor person further into poverty is doing God's work. We currently have a government determined to continue this kind of God's work.
@Dennis Young It seems to me that modern practitioners of Christianity reads the Bible the least. Or, if they do, their minds filters out anything that is contrary to their foundational interpretations. I received this first hand at a Baptist Church, in sermons where rich people gave lots of money to hear, what they wanted to hear. Later, I discovered the doctrine in early teachings of John Calvin. This religious thought has made its way into every denomination. Everywhere I go, hymns to sooth the poor has been removed. I gave up.
Indeed. Even among the secularist mainstream in the U.S. for example, one can see this success/wealth worship and poverty condemnation poisoning the minds and hearts of society at many levels, turning people into twisted caricatures , doing mental gymnastics to try to justify their own advantaged position, or desperately claw their way out of their disadvantaged position by attempting to appease the ideology of the market as god itself.
@@Max0r847 Many of our philosophies have religious roots, as in people like Descartes and Pascal, who were careful to support church dogma. Like Calvin, there was a real danger of being burned for a witch, when Calvin had burned many for being so, himself. The Bible's King James also wrote the definitive book on the finding and burning of witches. No one wanted to end up like Galileo. But, the Bible left a left opening, where Jesus taught, fed, and healed, for near nothing in return. The Book of Acts, attributed to Apostle Paul, shows the earliest Christian church to be a Socialist Commune. So, even Marx was not an original thinker. He took what was, and replaced a religious context with a philosophical context. To fulfill, he knew religion would not work, as religion always resorted to cults of personality looking for wealth, or power over others, not to the benefit of humanity. A person who was never religious, or ever studied philosophy, is heavily influenced by both, whether they know it, or not. That is why I make the leap to Calvinist doctrine, in our business and politics. The influence is undeniably obvious.
Yes he was basically a socialist he ruled nearly 20 countries if you count by this ages map and refused to favor any of them even Jews and Christians had the same wages He refused to take money or live in a Palace he lived of his home and by his work
@@hivestalker because he's not an oligarchic caliphate poor people chose him and he refused to rule Then they threatened to kill themselves in front of him if he refused again For a man who ruled 14 hundred years ago he was pretty conscious about class struggle you can see that in his letter to Malik Al-ashtar
Thank you Professor Wolff for your comments. I have never been a Marxist but I have seen some value in Socialism since the late 1960s. Then in 1974 I converted to the religion of Islam. I can appreciate your talking about religions and economics in general but a person can get a Ph.D. in Islamic Economics. Interest was not just forbidden by the Prophet Muhammad, we Muslims consider the Quran to be a Divine revelation and interest is forbidden in the Quran as well as legislation concerning inheritance, zakat (tax on savings) etc. I know your intention was to just give a brief response to a question you were asked but I strongly suggest you devote some time and effort to the study of Islamic economics.
Government price fixing is haram in Islam: Narrated Anas ibn Malik: “The people said: Messenger of Allah , prices have shot up, so fix prices for us. Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Allah is the one Who fixes prices, Who withholds, gives lavishly and provides, and I hope that when I meet Allah, none of you will have any claim on me for an injustice regarding blood or property.” (Sunan Abi Dawood 3451) Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)
@@saburabdul-salaam2418 What did I say that makes you think I have so little knowledge of Islam? Did I say something wrong? I just want to know my mistake. "Interest was forbidden by God, not the Prophet Muhammad asw. The Prophet cannot make things forbidden or allow things. Only God."
“All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had . . . there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales . . . and it was distributed to anyone who had need.” -Acts 4:32-35
Note also in ancient societies the interest on loans (including loans of seed/grain) could amount to %30-%50, a HUGE burden on the tenant farmer who had no choice if disaster struck him.
Credit card debt is often 25% to 30%. The UK is full of companies lending to the poorest at far, far higher rates. It's not a problem only of ancient times.
I urge Professor Wolff to read in depth about Islamic Economics. Islam is the only religion that has an economic system. That economic system is built on the collection of zakat or alms which are obligatory (unlike charity). Zakat is the third pillar of the five pillars of Islam. Zakat is paid yearly and is generally 2.5% of left over wealth of every Muslim that was not needed for a whole year. This zakat is paid to the government to spend on infrastructure, schools, policing, defence, preserving the environment, etc. The Islamic government has a source of income mandated by the religion and that what makes it an economic system. That is absent in Christianity and Judaism. Taxes are forbidden. Charging interest is also forbidden as stated in the video. There are different zakat amounts and percentages on livestock, jewelry, real estate, farming, etc. That system sustained the Islamic empire for a 1,000 years until western systems were imposed on the Muslims.
There are some interesting ideas in Islamic finance. They've done a lot of work on a financial system which doesn't rely on charging interest (technically) to do things like provide mortgages and stuff. I'm not an expert, bit you should look it up if you're interested!
@BoulderPM I don't see how living in one of the most reactionary and McCarthyist countries in the world "socially engineers" me to advocate for state violence. If we are talking about state violence, might as well mention how America has literal secret police roaming its streets right now
@BoulderPM What fucking social engineers made me a communist in a REACTIONARY STATE? The politics that constantly shit on socialism just because? The teachers that say that socialism bad, capitalist exploitation good, but never say why? Family members who will always give a one-sided story?
Usury is allowed in Judaism.. and the Google definition changed from any interest to excessive interest. The concept of interest must be abolished if we're ever going to run a surplus and get rid of the debt.
Getting rid of all interest probably isn't a great idea; it would eliminate any motive for lending other than pure altruism. But sovereigns don't actually have to borrow money, though the ones that fall under the control of bankers always do; they have the power to create money out of thin air, exactly as banks do. That's how Lincoln financed the Civil War, with greenbacks, which weren't backed by anything other than people's willingness to accept them as payment.
@@lawsonj39 All money should be anchored in gold, that's what Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein wanted. I'd have a system whereby you cannot take the gold with you when you leave the country, and we'd still use paper money to represent the gold, but it would be backed up alwayw
The Caliphate economically is similar to free market socialism and interest is haraam so private property is highly discouraged and hoarding money is also haraam so it would be equally distributed in a Caliphate but Islam does not specify who should have ownership of the means of production so I think that may be flexible
Dr. Wolff: I have been watching many of your videos for a little while now and have come to learn many things about your realm of study and professing. Thank you. If you have a video on the question I am about to ask then please point me in that direction. What is your ideal society? How would it be set up? How would you set up a society if given a blank sheet of paper to start over with?
Dr. Wolf is just a liar who engages in demagogy, probably to steal money from idiots who pay for his lectures. He has no idea of ideal world or any idea which could work in the real-world at all. Although In my opinion, the closest thing to those propositions would be just banning any kind of passive income what could solve all problems and at the same time satisfy both socialist and those pseudo capitalists who are cheering for capitalism but have no clue what is the meaning of capitalism at all.
3:00 as a teenager this didn't make sense to me and 20 years later this logic of charging interests still seems absurd to me , thx for emphasizing this
We have a triumvirate of individuals that are the enemies of our middle class, Reagan, Friedman and Koch. How do these three work in concert to roll back the progress our middle class achieved in the period following WW2? Dave Schneider, Livonia, Michigan.
This was a remarkably respectful discussion of the similar critiques that both religious traditions and socialist traditions share, and what Prof. Wolff states in this video are arguably the best arguments available to combat these ideas that Marxism/socialism and Christianity/Islam/Judaism/Buddhism/etc. are somehow incompatible. If religions exist to help people make moral decisions, then socialism should be considered a precondition for moral decision-making, as the various incentives that exist under capitalism lead people to make unjustifiable and immoral decisions in order to obtain power and wealth. Conversely, socialism would ensure everyone's basic needs are met, thus people could focus on living their best selves, and there would be no incentive to harm others in order to obtain material possessions, thus leading to less amoral/immoral decision-making. Thus, religion and socialism are inherently compatible, and socialists should use this to our advantage rather than pushing for a purely "atheistic state" as the Marxist-Leninists often did in the Eastern Bloc.
Dr. Wolff.. I understand your basic position. Capitalism firms compete with one another in the marketplace. Successful firms become dominant and unsustainable firms go bankrupt. Over time, many small enterprises give way to a fewer number of large enterprises or a single firm (oligopoly & monopoly). This is the logic of capitalism. Ok that’s fine. But enter the worker cooperative. Now, a worker cooperative is structured differently. However, isn’t the competitive logic the same? What stops worker cooperatives from becoming oligopolies?
The egalitarian teachings in religious texts could be categorized as some sort of utopian/primitive communist approach. However, the material condition and productive power in the societies which founded the religions simply can't provide everyone with enough surplus to meet all the needs. What scientific socialism required is the productive power so abundant that could cause a capitalist society to implode as the power of socialized production overwhelms private consumption capacity, which is what we have now.
Religion is not a communist approach it is not a capitalist approach either but rather an attempt to freeze society in the current state snd prevent any form of changes at all. The basic idea of the religion is that God created this world and this world order and you are not allowed t change anything. Slaves have to stay slaves and masters have to stay masters. It is the same as the Indian caste system. where everyone has their predefined place on earth and they will sty in that place forever. All thsoe "communists" commandments are just to stabilize and unify society to make an illusion that rich care about poor because they provide some minuscule charity
A religion in itself is no more than a set of worldview and practices (with some dominant supernatural power) , which reflects the values of a certain human society that founded it, i.e., an ideology. It has both progressive and reactionary elements in accordance to that specific society. The problem is that the reactionary elements of a religion were commonly quoted and perpetuated by the the ruling class to make the population conform to certain rules, in preservation of their own material interest. As for the progressive elements, some early utopian socialist thinkers were actually influenced by the cooperative practices in the monasteries.
@@auferstandenausruinen Yes, but none of the existing religions have anything to do with communism. Communism rejects any hierarchy in principle while religion is all about hierarchy. In that aspect religion is more about fascism than communism.
@@deltaxcd What I mean is primitive communism, where the productive power is so low that there is almost no surplus labor to form exploitative social hierarchy, not the communism that transcends capitalism in productivity.
As a former Muslim who is an atheist now.. I can say there are some truths in what professor Wolff said, but… there are also some aspects in Islam and the main religions in the world are racist and support the class divisions in society…! Regards and appreciation to the professor for his content, I wouldn’t be this educated in socialism and Marxism without him 🙏🏻
It's obvious that the price of goods don't express its value & the wages of labors don't express their effort, that's why we have exploitation but eventually things have to change.
Narrated Anas ibn Malik: “The people said: Messenger of Allah , prices have shot up, so fix prices for us. Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Allah is the one Who fixes prices, Who withholds, gives lavishly and provides, and I hope that when I meet Allah, none of you will have any claim on me for an injustice regarding blood or property.” (Sunan Abi Dawood 3451) Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani) In other words government price fixing is prohibited in Islam.
The context behind this hadith must be well understood, even Imam Ibn Taimiyyah had a clear explanation on this. We must not neglect the principle of Maqasid sharia ( the motive, the purpose ) to achieve justice. Price fixing is not haram if judging by the situation, it will give justice to the masses.
It is ESSENTIAL, to start speaking about the detailed analysis of the worker coop, operation, from the resource to finished product. What challenges a worker coop will have, how about the democratic choices inside, how it will function in society? For example, when a democratic decision is made it is slow, not always the right one or effective. People might start grouping up to force a majority supported outcome, which is not in the interest of everyone! How would you comment on this?! We got that this is your solution to a Capitalist hierarchical undemocratic structure - democratic transformation of the work place, but democracy is not perfect and even ancient philosophers have criticised it. PLEASE START SPEAKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. The conversation has to go beyond your solution and give a detailed analysis from your perspective of an economist. DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE WORKER COOP! With examples, please! I will post this comment under all of your videos from now on in the hopes that you Mr Wolff will notice and will address this matter, it is very interesting for a vast amount of people who are your followers and watch you regularly! Otherwise it becomes repetitive if you constantly say what the solution is without delving deeper into the worker coop! Thank you!
Is the wealth concentration in the hands of the few is anti-HUMAN. how can humanity progress w/o concentrated capital. or 'material progress' is anti human? since it leads to ecological catastrophes with it it becomes human ones.
This seems very basic to me, like as if they haven't thought of, if its even possible to govern whether a product is charged fairly or unfairly. For example, people think iphones should cost cheaper, but who knows how hard those software engineers, design engineers and the gazillions of engineers have worked hard for each version, if you were to add thier hard work into the product, it would cost more. How could you possibly enumerate the value of a product like that? Or lets say watches that cost like £50,000. They are normally handmade with men who have had experience throughout thier life. If you force these men to sell it at lower price than he is worth, then who will be motivated to do any work at all?
There are some other points in Islam along with the prohibition of interests. For example, tax is based on wealth,rather then income or consumption. So people with extra wealth pays more. As idle money is taxed, investment is encouraged by default. As for currency, government can't issue money as it wishes because the currency have to be based on real value,like gold and silver. Limited liability company is prohibited, people are liable for what they invested, not more not less. All the financial assets which are not based on real assets are prohibited. People can only sell what they already own, so things like derivative trading are not encouraged. The current capitalist crisis the world is going through is largely because of the same practices Islam prohibits. Just adding a few points. :)
I agree with the idea of taxing wealth but gold and silver as money? that's just stupid. Neither of them has any value, in fact, I would even consider it idolatry as a form of worshiping something that has no real meaning. But unfortunately, other Islamic ideas practically eliminate all technological progress.
@@deltaxcd lol,you consider gold or silver standard as idol worshiping? you are funny. :.) What is truly stupid is to use valueless paper as currency and letting the bankers decide its value. Just check the rise and fall of world commodity market, despite not having any government backing, it is gold that people buy when the dollar price falls. As for "But unfortunately, other Islamic ideas practically eliminate all technological progress", that is just your opinion.
@@iftikharulhasan7913 Well, that's the whole point that gold and silver are just the same as that worthless paper. The only value those thinks have is that people worship them and are ready to obey you if you give them some of that magic stuff. Bitcoin is just a similar alternative to gold. Or will you claim that gold has any value for humans? It is just shiny worthless metal which has no use outside of anticorrosion coatings. and this gold worship makes it unreasonably expensive that way rasing the cost of other products. There are other metals like bismuth that are similarly rare as gold but nowhere near so expensive. as for technological progress that's not just opinion, it is a fact, no Islamic nation ever achieved anything and once states adopted Islam all technological progress called to a halt. In fact, Islamic faith ever bans any kind of science and research
@@deltaxcd The key word here is 'government backing'... Paper currencies have government backing, gold does not. Still people buy that. Even governments buy and store gold and silver, in case their currency falls, they know gold will be their last resort. That shows gold have value. And it is not just islamic principles that suggest gold or silver as currency,countless articles and books are out there,read them. 😊
@@iftikharulhasan7913 Well, that's even worse because paper money at least has government backing while gold has none if by some reason people just change their mind and decide that gold is worth nothing and there is something better it will be worth nothing. Bitcoin is a perfect example of its volatility. Nobody protects gold or alternatives from speculation, and market manipulations. unlike paper currencies where the government can actively fight speculators who try to alter currency rate The fact that someone is buying something does not prove that it has value, people buy snake oil land on the moon and Ponzi scheme stocks that does not make any of those things valuable. well, they are valuable as a means of manipulating idiots but nothing more. Paper money actually is backed by assets so every dollar in existence corresponds to certain aset
Communism is prohibited in islam: “Do they distribute the mercy of your Lord? It is We who have apportioned among them their livelihood in the life of this world and have raised some of them above others in degrees [of rank] that they may make use of one another for service. But the mercy of your Lord is better than whatever they accumulate.” (The Noble Quran 43:32)
To reach god To reach Allah Have the wish to reach god Have the wish to reach Allah We must have the wish to send our spirit back to god! للوصول إلى الله ، يجب أن تكون لدينا الرغبة في إعادة روحنا إلى الله
Charity is virtuous and taxation is amoral because charity is voluntary and taxation is mandated. Markets are fair and balanced by supply and demand. If a product is too expensive I am not forced to buy it so sellers try to offer products at lower prices. Labour theory of value tries to explain how things are given value by workers but that’s not how things are valued. Utility is what gives value. Interest paid on loans is the price of the service of lending. How can I afford to give away money without incentive? That’s again just the same as taxation / slavery. Extraction of property / services without payment. Religion plus socialism is just bad economics and bad ethics.
In Human society that is a triangle of governance(ruler +its military) that team up with wealth holders against the poor. to concentrate more power and wealth. where governance becomes the arm of the wealth (capitalism). the rest are resources for it. even it is painted by democracy. Even in socialism the first two becomes one entity. called governments and the rest are the poor. IS the wealth concentration in the hands of few HUMAN
It is mentioned in the Bible, in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.4, Verse No.8, it says - the same reference which Dr. William Campbell used about tempting… ‘The devil took him… that is Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, to an exceedingly high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the earth and its glory. Gospel of Luke Chapter No.4, Verse No.5…‘The devil took him to a high mountain and showed him the glory of all the kingdoms of the world.’ Now, even if you go to the tallest mountain, the highest mountain in the world… that is Mount Everest, and supposingly, you have a very good vision, and can see for thousands of miles together - Yet, you will not be able to see all the kingdoms of the world - Because today we know, the earth is spherical. You will not be able to see the kingdom, of the opposite side of the world. The only way you will be able to see, if the earth was flat. That is the description what the Bible gives…‘The earth is flat.’ Further more, this same description is repeated in the book of Daniel, Chapter No.4, Verse No.10 and 11. It says… ‘In a dream, that the tree grew up into the heaven, and there when the tree grew up into the heaven, it grew up so much, that every one from all the ends of the earth, they could see the tree. This is only possible, if the shape of the earth was flat. If a tree is very long and the shape of the earth was flat it is possible. Today it is a universal fact that the world is spherical - You will never be able to see the tree, however much long it is, from the opposite side of the spherical shape of the earth. Further more if you read, it is mentioned in the 1st Chronicles, Chapter No.16, Verse No.30, that… ‘The earth does not move.’ The same is repeated in the book of Psalms, Chapter No.93, Verse No.1, that… ‘Almighty God has stabilized the earth.’ - That means the earth does not move. And in the New International Version, it says that… ‘God has established and stopped the movement of the earth.
you could have given one or two concrete examples. i'm not familiar enough with islamic thought, but in judaism, for example, you could have used the jubilee.
Islam The Beautiful Religion ( Be Just ) Quran 5:8 '' O ye who believe! stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the HATRED OF OTHERS TO YOU make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. '' Quran 4:58 '' Indeed, God commands you to render trusts to whom they are due and when you judge between people to judge with justice. Excellent is that which God instructs you. Indeed, God is ever Hearing and Seeing.'' ( God's The Rules Of War ) Quran 2:190 '' Fight in the way of God THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors. '' Quran 2 :193 '' And fight them on until there is no more oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. '' Quran 4:90 ''.........So if they withdraw from you and cease their hostility and offer you peace, in that case Allah has not granted you permission to fight against them.'' Quran 8:61 ''And if they seek peace, then you also seek it, and put your trust in God. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.'' ( Stand Up For Justice ) Quran 4 :135O '' Ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even as against YOURSELVES, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.'' ( Who Are The Good Human Beings? ) Quran 177 '' Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in God, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, IN SPITE OF LOVE FOR IT, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives charity; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous. '' ( Freedom To Believe And To Reject ) Quran 2:256 '' Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error '' Quran 10:99 '' And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then would you compel the people in order that they become believers? '' ( Tolerance For Other Religions ) Quran 109: 1- 6 Say,"O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshipers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshiper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshipers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." ( Protection for Idol Worshiper ) Quran 9:6 "And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are people who do not know. " Quran16:125 “Call people to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good teaching, and argue with them in the most courteous way” ( Friendship With Non Muslims ) Quran 60:8 '' God does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, God loves those who act justly. '' ( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,->ANY Protecting Friends < One Of Another ) Quran 9:71 ''And the believers, men and women, are > Protecting Friends < one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey God and His messenger. As for these, God will have mercy on them. Lo! God is Mighty, Wise.'' Quran16:97 “To whoever, male or female, does good deeds and has faith, We shall give a good life and reward them according to the best of their actions. Quran 30:21 “And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquility in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy…” The Prophet Muhammad said, “Heaven lies under the feet of your mother.” ( Human Are One family ) Quran 49:13 " O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)." ( All The Racist People Will Enter Hellfire ) Quran 30:22 "And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge." My comment: The '' BASIC '' message of God to the human is that '' YOU '' believe in God and be kind to other human beings and in the RETURNED God will reward you with a new life in Paradise. * The Quran ONLY guides you how to become a good human being "Nothing Else". * You are a good human being or a bad human being that is YOUR choice. * No one can force you to become a good human being. * You MUST work HARD to become a good human being. * Why should ''YOU'' do good deeds and avoid bad deeds? * Do Good - it's for You. Do Bad - It's against you. * '' YOUR'' life is a TEST from God that you will choose to do either Good or Bad. * Find the excuse to help others and forgive others NOT the other way around. * '' YOUR '' final destination is either Hell or Heaven. * So work HARD toward choice of YOUR destination. Quran 17:7 " If you do good, you will do so for your own good. And if you do evil, it will be to your own loss."
@kn tlt hating a religion which is bigoted , intolerant,anti secular, fascist is not wrong at all. I don't think any non muslim ,in their right mind wouldn't hate islam .
ରଙ୍ଗିଲା ଟୋକା It’s not about liking and not liking mate By allowing interests to exist that desperate person who is begging for money would be asking for even more money. That means the rich and poor would be gladly apart. So long as you return the money when I need it then feel free to borrow money!
Jordan B. Peterson's Pet Communist Lobster You really couldn’t be more wrong. ESPECIALLY when it comes to Abrahamic religions. They are opposed to class as a religion can be. There is nothing in Abrahamic religion that opposes the lack of a state. For example, they advocate for women to be different yet equal than men. They also encourage donations and welfare to the poor. By doing that as well as implementing other socialist policies then the poor would cease to exist. Those Abrahamic religions co-exist just fine as proven in the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphate as well as our modern World for the most part. We have a lot of Christians living side by side with Muslims in many places. Jews are hard to find as they are small outside the US. Right now the Levant and Egypt is a mess due to colonialism. Could you please be more clear how? I’d go as far as religion is actually encouraged but religious fanaticism is WIDELY discouraged.
Jordan B. Peterson's Pet Communist Lobster Oh I see, your confusing between two VERY different things. Yes religion is used by fundamentalist to create a class based society. But no religion is not the root cause of that. The root cause of that is someone manipulating a good idea into something totally different. Russian socialism was broken since the Russian civil war because Lenin manipulated the masses into corrupt socialism. Stalin then took it to a new level. Is it Marx fault that socialism was bad? Of course not. It is Lenin’s (after the revolution) and Stalin’s fault for committing all these crimes. It’s the same with religion. There is nothing in religion that talks about class division. Is there anything else “oppressive” in religion?
Imposing concepts of modernity to Islam or any faith is to try to fit a round hole in a square peg, but it is accurate to point to the ethical, moral, and other practices that could be socialist in character in faith, as Prof Wolff does. In Islam, there are a few. The ruling against interest in Islam, zakat is a command so central that it makes one of the five pillars of the Islamic faith - on par with prayer itself. Zakat is the yearly practice of giving charity as a proportion of one's income and savings. There's others likes the collection of taxes to distribute to the poor and needy. Like throughout the world, there is a long history not of "Islamic socialism" but certainly forms of socialism that are Muslim-ish in character. The centrality of charity, redistribution, fairness, and ethics to Islam have made the translation of Islamic principles to socialism natural. Nice question! However, please note that the term should be "Muslims" not "Islamists". The latter in the Western context now only refers to Muslim fundamentalists (the connotation itself a racist bastardization by the west 🤷)
Fatih Gul There honestly isn’t much difference between Marxism and Islamic Socialism. Some practises in Islamic socialism like Zakat are hard to nationalise because nobody knows how to force them. What if your hiding your money from the public? Anyways what probably could be done is approach things in a way that could be implemented as alternatives. Our taxes would be of higher value than our Zakat for example. Or perhaps both can be separate things because after all you can’t enforce the Zakat but you can enforce taxes. Also it depends on your understanding of Islamic Law. My most liberal interpretation of a country that follows Islamic Law is socialist state that puts all religions equal when practising them while granting non-outdated laws to each religion. The society should also follow progressive Abrahamic morals. No law should be discriminated at but only Abrahamic laws should be official.
Fatih Gul Exactly, an Islamic society is effectively a secular, Christian, and Jewish society. Stuff like Alcohol for example would be heavily regulated (a person could drink as long as he / she intakes a certain amount) and done privately with a supervisor in place. Non straights can do whatever they want with whoever they consent as long as they have nothing to with anyone. Same goes to sex outside marriage
I do not doubt that Professor Wolff's heart is in the right place. He doesn't want to criticize Islam as he wants socialism to be a broad church, and religion is not his priority. However, it is simply intellectually dishonest to suggest that Islamic economics is socialist without even acknowledging some of the most obvious objections to the claim. Firstly, Muhammed bought and sold slaves, thus lending his prophetic imprimatur of legitimacy to the practice. He also sanctioned the enslavement of non-Muslims, including female sex slaves, in the course of jihad. Secondly, in Surah 9:28-9, when Muhammed is asked how Mecca will survive financially after Muhammed has expelled the pagans who spent money while worshipping at the Kaaba, 'Allah' responds that the Muslims can attack the Christians and the Jews until they have been forced them to pay the jizya tax. That way, the Christians and Jews will either be coerced into conversion, and thus finance Mecca as *Muslim* pilgrims, or else they remain as dhimmis exploited by the Islamic empire. Either way, the Islamic empire get its finances. But what about the genuinely egalitarian redistributive aspects of Islamic economics you ask? Well, a sectarian socialism that limits its egalitarianism to Muslims whilst exploiting everyone else, sounds rather like the National Socialism that Hitler tried to create for the Aryans at everyone else's expense. Is that really the kind of socialism that Professor Wolff wants to defend?
@@armandika182 "Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin 'Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave." muflihun.com/bukhari/34/351
First fall calm down your hate is showing. Muslims also buy taxes too it’s called زكاة. Muhammad used freeing salves as form of clearing sins, a thing that can’t thought about in 7 th century Arabia or any place else in matter fact. Not in the other ruls was in the regions before or were in the same time period. read about hammurabi's laws. Egyptians sacrifice. Secondly, doing goods and deeds are the factors of the religion read about it instead listing things like you did. Finally, this only a Hadith that is written after 200 years which is not popular or tought or used in name of taking slaves. It explained as the order where people can choose to do good. However, still freeing slaves is a thing Muhammad did. He freed around 60. The things need to criticize in today’s world is liberty 🗽 and democracy which it seems benefit only small group of the globe population, and leaves other to their faith in name of Darwinism.
@@MrBeautifulmountain There nothing in Muhammad teachings is immoral. It was a revolutionary actually as said in the 7th century that it thrift a lot of what we know as civilization today. I think there is something going with Europeans who can’t accept that Middle East was and still a place of civilization that even their god is middle eastern 😬
That was then when most people didn't know that religions were false. Now we know better, and religions are now most useful as tools for oppression rather than justice.
@BoulderPM you're being silly. Some people want power so they can use it for goodness and well-being. We cant get that through exploitation and oppression!
2:30 You are ignoring the risks of lending money and the inevitable failure for some to pay it back. Interest IS the charity from those who can to ensure those who make loans can in fact cover their risk so they can lend to those who will not pay it back and the system can continue. Without interest no one would ever lend money because there would be no way to recover losses. If it was true that interest is not necessary then why have churches and mosques and whomever not formed their own money lending services that are interest free? Your reductionist nonsense is ridiculous and we can see the racist underpinnings of your position.
Commerce was in the beginning criticized and admonished by Christ when he drove the Capitalist out of His temple. Islam upheld exploitation and inequality with it's dhimmi tax. Richard Wolfe, who I started out loving, is losing traction with me very fast with his endless praise and apologetics of Marx and Islam. Marxism would be better if Marx had not rejected God (and if the Vatican and Moscow Patriarchate had not corrupted Christianity), but then it would have just been called Christianity.
There’s is some slaves owned by People and there’s is slaves owned by the state who work in the government Slaves can ask for his freedom if he wants to get his freedom And get payment by the government For once and find work
So long as you keep your religion to yourself and don't enforce it upon anyone I don't mind what you believe, but as of my stance on economics I'm a Social Liberal.
As a scholar of theology I agree with you. Very well said professor, fundamentally all religions are the same and from the same source. The basic teaching of every religion is very beautiful where all people are equal. We all have to join forces together and become brothers once again. #ahmadiyya
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Religion will never be the fountain of brotherhood between humans. Religion will mantain us always divided/confronted. By the way that seems the work of aliens for mantain us divided (the same way that babel tower curse) I don't know to what are awaiting the aliens for conquer us as we are so perfectly divided
@BoulderPM How do you think capitalism works? Through the force of capital. Do you think capital is clean? Do you think that the dough (miney) isn't amassed with blood and tears? If you don't know it you are an idiot
@BoulderPM Those who kill a killer are withouth a sin. So as capitalism only thrives with imperialism and war and plunder methods (look the usa and his ways) any alternative although imposed by force is clean, because capitalism only works by force and domination
@BoulderPM Well in reallity i love some parts of religion. I'm also a religious person, in the sense that i believe in morals and in the karma law. But yes you are truth. I also believe in socialism and secularism plus separation between religion and the state. Sorry if have been rude to you 🤷♂️🙋♂️👋👋
@kn tlt read "The advantages for the Church by banning interest on loans." from Marx's Capital vol III, this is how they amassed their wealth at the expense of peasants. They never stopped renting out property from borrowers held as securities. Marx condemned religious socialism as reactionary and he was correct, let's not fall into liberal idealist notions of what role religion plays in society.
@kn tlt For example if you want to buy a house. You want mortgage gratis? And if the inflation is 3%, you need 3% interest to just break even. But if you still have to ask why then you need to learn a lot, and I am not your teacher.
@BoulderPM So basically, as usual, the problem with any kind of leftist ideology is that it is "emotional", yes? This is the trope? If you're being as responsible as possible all that means is to some degree you are factoring in that we are HUMAN BEINGS, not robots, not conscious chess pieces or statistics. Wouldn't you be stupid NOT to take that into consideration? This is how we end up with a full-blown sociopath running the country being applauded for his heartlessness, because you people have sunken into believing that any kind of empathetic capacity whatsoever is automatically weakness. But hey, anger is completely acceptable and encouraged of course, because that's not an emotion, right? I mean if I've totally got you pegged wrong, then feel free to elaborate on what the fuck you're talking about.
@kn tlt I surely would not want to be your teacher, you really should inform yourself. You could start here ua-cam.com/video/iFDe5kUUyT0/v-deo.html but there is a lot more to it!
Islam has nothing to do with socialism.. The tax in Islam is 2 percentage for everyone it is called zakat Islam say the harder you work the more you get it is a fair system everyone gets what he or she earns,Islam says some people are rich some people are poor that is what GUD wanted and it is fair there is nothing call equality in nature,Islam gives people equal opportunity but not the equal of out come Islam respects privat ownership and wealth.
My God calm down he simply explains how some 'socialists ethics' are also common in Islam or Christianity simply because it's fairer - sincerely A fellow Muslim
Is it realistic to have a financial system that uses loans without interest ! Not many institutions will lend money ! It is true also that the GFC in 2008 was caused by the logic between credit and interest rate !
When you put your money in a bank it stores your money and earns interests on your money. If the bank (this hypothetical private one) has more money stored than it is giving in loans, it will have an income. So my argument is that by storing your money, YOU are giving the bank YOUR services, since they can gain on having this money stored. So by that logic you shouldn't pay interest for borrowing, but the bank should pay you some interest for storing your money (which they used to do but now don't). (:
With all due respect, Dr. Wolf is completely and entirely off the mark on the question. "Islam overlapping Socialism" is at best, an absurd comment. I am pretty sure most people would consider that is a not-so-funny joke. Again, with all due respect, I think Dr. Wolf needs to seriously educate himself on the matter of Islam (or maybe religions as a whole) before standing up and making such an unsubstantiated verdict.
I am starting to notice that Dr. Wolf is just engaging in demagogy most of the time to push his agenda at any cost but he has no touch with reality at all.
@@deltaxcd It is very sad to see this kind of commentary from someone like him. It is dubious at best and it is a disgrace. Let's hope that he realizes that.
Except in Islam a women’s inheritance is equal to a third of a man’s inheritance and a women’s testimony is equal to half a man’s testimony, and a woman needs a direct male relative’s permission in order to work. Like all religions, Islam promotes economic equality for MEN while simultaneously pushing down women and enforcing ridiculous restrictions on their autonomy.
@@GhulamMustafa11111 extreme examples? These examples are from the Quran itself? So are you indirectly agreeing that the Quran is reactionary like the rest of the Abrahamic religions then?
@@lampshadethisforshadowthat1050 You are trying to make a case that God discriminates against women. You cite inheritance. If you had done your research you would know that is just 1 case out of so many other scenarios, many of which favour women. It is not black and white. It is not about equality. It is more about equity. Your baseless allegations can easily be disproven by 1 example, to save time. God says mother has 3 times more right than father. A mother in our religion is a women (idk about western societies). Hence God puts women 3 times over men, in this scenario. You have failed to demonstrate your case. I invite you to actually look into Islam with sincerity. Only then can you know the Truth. Salam.
@@GhulamMustafa11111 then why didn’t god create men and women on the same level then? Surly, an all knowing and all powerful god wouldn’t deliberately make half of the human race suffer less rights than the other half? The problem of evil shows itself again. Also, you cite ‘and then you will know the truth’. Really? Because I’ve had Shia, Sunni, Catholics, Judaists, Protestants, Evangelicals, and Mormons tell the same exact thing, while all being equally convinced that only they know the truth. It is ludicrous to believe the words of someone who is thoroughly convinced without tangible evidence besides their own brand of book telling me that they only know the truth to everything. A more logical explanation is that they have already been so indoctrinated by peer pressure from a society that has been indoctrinated by the same peer pressure for generations, that convincing them to think critically would require them to accept that they might be believing thing only because they were told to believe it. Like what Socrates said, in order to seek knowledge, you have to be fully willing to accept that everything you know as truth, may in fact, be not true.
@@lampshadethisforshadowthat1050 And now you're just being insincere. I have broken your narrative that God oppresses women by only showing you 1 example, i.e Mothers (women in our religion) have 3 times the rights of Fathers (Men in our religion). And this was just one example to back up my claim that you using extreme scenarios to build your narrative is either ignorance or deception. Now if you were sincere, you would admit holes in your narrative and promise to actually do your reearch. Instead here you are with all these tangents. Look brother, my duty here is done. Your premise doesn't hold. Now I invite you to Islam. To submit your will to your Creator. What you choose to do after now is upon you. Have a good day.
Leftists have an opportunity to get religion out of the hands of reactionaries. The likes of pope francis have been sympathetic to socialist policies and I have been able to convince Christians to become socialist. Yes we may have some differences but we can talk about those differences when the workplace and our institutions become more democratised.
Dear Prof , Richards ; With a great respect to your answer about that subject of Islamic tradition , your view is not appropriate to the matter , especially when it comes to financial issue such as Tax and Interest , I am a traditional Muslim . but never believed and practiced it , due to it's unfairness and brutality in every thing , I am just explaining their Islamic Banking system , how they mislead and playing with words and phrases in order to pull someone's leg , here is an example, I want to buy a car from the questioner (( Walid )) and we agreed on $ 14,000 US dollar , So I need a loan . and you and every one knows how the banks lend the money , application , then investigation to my financial history , my employment & social status , Why ?! all to make sure of my repayment , of course with interest , etce , in the end approved and advised of my payments of $ 20,000 in total after say five years , so the loan cost me extra 6000 dollar or let say the cost me 20 ,000 dollar to own it . In Islamic banking its same process ,the differences are in just changing the word interest to profit , you might ask how ?!! ,their response is , ok we sell you this car for 20.000 USA dollar and their whole contract and paper work dose not mentioning any word link or close to interest , in other way asking the Muslim buyer ,We ( Islamic Bank ) buy the car and resell it to you by such a price as means of trade or profit . so We ( Islamic Bank ) helping you that God can not punish you for accepting illicit (( Haram Money )) which's interest money , How funny and practical way to fool every naive Muslims.
So Muslims don't own business? If they're so ethical about not being charged interest on money, then why put a mark-up goods and services? Why not just sell them at cost price? Why even work for an organization at all, in the business of generating profit?!
You do understand that this is a Christian nation? We have no intention of implementing the teachings of Jesus. Are you kidding? Care about people? Yuck!
Prof. Wolff is way too diplomatic here. The first question we should ask when we consider religion, is about truth. Do gods exist? Are holy scriptures dictated from above? Is there a hell? Feuerbach, Marx, Russell and Dawkins have provided some crushing arguments against religion. Religion quite simply is not true, and this sort of consiliatory rhetoric should therefore stop. There is nothing that religion does that good secular ideology does not do better.
@@fatihgul613 I disagree. It is more respektful to be honest and confrontational that to be overly ingratiating. All marxist should care deeply about what they believe to be true, and be honest about it.
@@fatihgul613 Is religion true? I think not. If progressive people don't believe religion to be true, then they should be open about it. Beliefs in superstitions serve the powerful, not the working class.
@BoulderPM In everyday life I advocate govt controll over myself at least as much as over other. It is good practice that I pay taxes. It is good practice that I obay laws, traffic regulations and anti-epidemic advice. That does not mean that I worship the state. Does a mandatory seat belt rule imply that the state is a god? I don't think so.
@@fatihgul613 If you are that subjective, then that would imply that any religion is as good as any other religion. It seems to me that the core of the religious world view becomes rather hollow then.
As a sensible person, I have listened to this man for many years! As a Muslim, I have to say that he is one of the most sensible and ethical people on social media. Even funny at times.
As a Muslim, I was raised with the concept that if God provides me with more than I need, then it is only because he is giving me an opportunity to help others in need. The order of priority in Islamic teaching is firstly to support the direct family, then neighbors, then extended family, and finally if something else is left over, to charities that need support. Ideally, if the community has followed the same process, then charities would be burdened by less and it would all balance out.
The subjective part, of course, is trying to determine how much I “need”... 3 months of savings...? 3 years? That’s the “jihad” (translation: struggle) that we are meant to face most often.
@Jordan B. Peterson's Pet Communist Lobster We have seen how commies have genocided Christians, Muslims, Buddhists in the Soviet Union and China, we see communism as threat to our religion and tradition, we will always be on our guard against communism. We would be crazy to want to be sent to commie gulags and be happy about it.
Does it often happen when god provides someone more than they need? LOL
This is only valid for hunter-gatherer savage tribes like Bushmen who really survive on what God provides for them. and the follow that rule but they do not believe in Allah LOL
@@deltaxcd "Does it often happen when god provides someone more than they need? LOL"
It happens all the time, you just have to look at people below your own social status.
@@f1aziz
I think there is a difference between what I earn with my own work and what I get from God
because it is one thing If I found a bag of money while walking on the street as a gift from god. I can share that with other people.
But if rather than finding it I had to spend my own time and effort to get that money, then sorry rather than giving it to other people I will just not bother earning it at all and make a vacation for myself so I will have nothing to give to others. If you still work when you have spare money which you can give to others you are just stupid.
@@deltaxcd "I think there is a difference between what I earn with my own work and what I get from God"
And this is where our Islamic beliefs comes in. Everything we got, every material possession, mental or emotional sanctification even our very next breath is a blessing from Allah and Allah alone.
We have the free will to choose what we do with the blessings we have in this life, to spend our blessings for the good or be selfish. As Muslims believe in the afterlife, we believe we will be rewarded for all the good we do in this temporary existence.
We have been strongly instructed to be charitable, empathetic, sympathetic and merciful to those who are in need. As charity and mercy are one the most pleasing actions to Allah.
Yes Allah asks us to work hard to think to ponder to strive for our living, but ultimately He alone decides what and how much we get. I have seen plenty of smart hard working people failing miserably and also seen people who didn't have to do much for whatever they got. As Muslims we believe our success is Allah's blessings our failures are our faults alone.
I had to work hard for everything I got but Allah has blessed me more than I ever even dreamed of, in fact sometimes I feel I don't deserve any of this. All the excess I have is a test for me, do I spend it on things that satisfies my ego or do I spend it helping people in need? I know I am going to be asked to account for whatever I have got on the judgement day.
We came to this world empty handed, we will leave with everything left behind. We will only take with us our actions.
Of course everything I just said would not make any sense if one doesn't even believe in God at all.
Salam\Peace
Before gender, colour & religion, we are all human beings. One race, living on one planet, one breath at a time.
Humanity, without humanity will eat itself.
The points Richard Wolff is making ARE the humanity that is required to ensure a happy & harmonious society.
@BoulderPM
Well, deregulated capitalist countries have failed miserably to ensure their people survive and prosper during the inevitable economic crises in capitalism, as well as during this pandemic. Countries that have brought their economies under democratic govt control have survived economic crises and this current pandemic, and have prospered much more than equivalent capitalist countries.
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E.g. compare living standards and average lifespans in Cuba with capitalist Third World countries, like Brazil, Haiti, Jamaica, the Philippines, etc..
E.g. compare the % of population who have died from #COVID19 in the #USA with #China:
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@BoulderPM
Actually, china was at the mercy of US which opened its market to cheap Chinese products, and this destroyed US production almost entirely. There is no such thing as "free-market" anywhere on earth. It neer as and never ill be.
In contrast to China, USSR did all on their own power and while also being under attack of the entire capitalist world pretty much just like north Korea. nevertheless, USSR managed to become the world second superpower from the third wold shithole which it was before soviets took power.
@BoulderPM
Well considering the fact that the black markets are illegal and extremely repressed by all governments they are definitely not free by definition.
also, I would doubt your estimated numbers or terminology because maybe you refer to something else? like barter or unaccounted market in third world countries
But even that market is not free as it is controlled by the mafia or local communities. and those markets are pretty small.
>China made their markets much more free in 1979 to save their economy. You should research it, it’s common knowledge.
Not sure how is all that relevant because this was the time when China started exporting goods into the US and receiving foreign investments.
markets in china are not even remotely free by any means, the state controls everything and just tries to create an illusion of the free market because it was required to get permission to enter the US market. The US constantly complains about that.
Even today, the Chinese domestic market is pretty small in comparison to exports and if the US closes its market to China again, China will face total economic collapse, because they will have nowhere to sell their products. (us will face social collapse as well because they will have nothing on sale either LOL as they do not produce anything anymore)
@BoulderPM
If I got it right your idea is that "free-market" brings people from poverty and I obviously disagree and try to prove you wrong because there is no free market in China and other reasons.
Just because China made its market freer means nothing because the reason for economic growth is the result of esports and foreign investment, not the result of the free market.
If you take an example of the soviet union which actually made it market freer too, rather than bringing prosperity it ended with total collapse and disintegration of the state.
A transaction between 2 people does not fit the definition of "market", as the market is the place where more than 2 people make transactions with each other. (when you have a choice with whom you will make the transaction.)
The "free market" is the market where anyone can freely enter and make their offer.
This kind of thing does not really exist in any significant scale because you will need permission from someone to enter the market and get the right to sell or buy there.
I am not aware of any place in existence where anyone can enter to buy and sell stuff without the permission of the owner of that place
I've lived amongst Muslims and they are far from what the west have portrayed them to be..... Thanks prof for being sensitive and just when explaining the sensibilities in a wonderful way
there is a big difference between what Muslims do and what Islam requires them to do, in this case the Islamic financial system which is not followed by any Muslim country today. That system sustained the Islamic empire for a 1,000 years until western systems came in
Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
“The people said: Messenger of Allah , prices have shot up, so fix prices for us. Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Allah is the one Who fixes prices, Who withholds, gives lavishly and provides, and I hope that when I meet Allah, none of you will have any claim on me for an injustice regarding blood or property.”
(Sunan Abi Dawood 3451) Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)
@@kkiyomi902 it still works today, it's just used by Muslim halal banks and Muslims themselves rather than a country, well, except for the autonomous state of Puntland in Somalia, the entire region follows an Islamic economic system.
Read about Islam... Learn from its sources, islam is not compatible with Socialism.
chapter 107 of Holy Quran
107:1
Have you seen the one who denies the Recompense?
107:2
For that is the one who drives away the orphan
107:3
And does not encourage the feeding of the poor.
107:4
So woe to those who pray
107:5
[But] who are heedless of their prayer -
107:6
Those who make show [of their deeds]
107:7
And withhold [simple] assistance.
Though I am not Muslim, I appreciate this video. It is informative.
It really isn't. Mo was a slave trader and abrahamic religions condone and promote it. Nothing ethical about religions
Thing which strikes me the most about Islam is that not only is charging of interest considered a sin, paying interest is ALSO considered a sin. Thereby making sure that muslims not only are stopped from creating unjust and exploitative systems but are also not supporting any such system indirectly. Unfortunately, reality is far from this and muslims do pay and receive interest. Staggers me that such little work has been done on Islamic economics.
And yet ribba is being consumed daily?
This pretense that Islam is leftist is ludicrous. I'm not even talking about social justice bullshit like views on women, black people, jews, lgbt, but the idea you impose a theocracy on people and charge a tax to non Muslims is nothing more than an imperialist protection racket. And whereas leftist ideology generally supports atheism or secularism Islam encourages an Islamic caliphate, wherein pagans and apostates can be murdered.
@Mohammad Rahman I don't believe Jesus was a socialist, no. You could cherrypick some charitable quotes but he was a theocrat, same as Mohammed and other religious leaders.
@Mohammad Rahman I am Marxist-Leninist, increasingly Stalinist as a reaction to the social justice cancer on the left. I admire a lot of aspects of Yugoslavia and Vietnam too.
"islamic economics" DOES NOT EXIST - the violent sexist insane misogynist fake prophet mohommad STOLE the concept from the hebrews, dumb455
Calvinist teachings that wealth was a Godly blessing, and poverty was God's punishment for sin and sloth. It has devolved into an economic trial by combat, where a wealthy person driving a poor person further into poverty is doing God's work. We currently have a government determined to continue this kind of God's work.
Sounds like Australia.
@@gerryhouska2859 It came here with the Pilgrim Puritans, from Europe. I am sure there are many in the former colonies.
@Dennis Young It seems to me that modern practitioners of Christianity reads the Bible the least. Or, if they do, their minds filters out anything that is contrary to their foundational interpretations.
I received this first hand at a Baptist Church, in sermons where rich people gave lots of money to hear, what they wanted to hear.
Later, I discovered the doctrine in early teachings of John Calvin.
This religious thought has made its way into every denomination. Everywhere I go, hymns to sooth the poor has been removed. I gave up.
Indeed. Even among the secularist mainstream in the U.S. for example, one can see this success/wealth worship and poverty condemnation poisoning the minds and hearts of society at many levels, turning people into twisted caricatures , doing mental gymnastics to try to justify their own advantaged position, or desperately claw their way out of their disadvantaged position by attempting to appease the ideology of the market as god itself.
@@Max0r847 Many of our philosophies have religious roots, as in people like Descartes and Pascal, who were careful to support church dogma. Like Calvin, there was a real danger of being burned for a witch, when Calvin had burned many for being so, himself. The Bible's King James also wrote the definitive book on the finding and burning of witches. No one wanted to end up like Galileo. But, the Bible left a left opening, where Jesus taught, fed, and healed, for near nothing in return. The Book of Acts, attributed to Apostle Paul, shows the earliest Christian church to be a Socialist Commune. So, even Marx was not an original thinker. He took what was, and replaced a religious context with a philosophical context. To fulfill, he knew religion would not work, as religion always resorted to cults of personality looking for wealth, or power over others, not to the benefit of humanity. A person who was never religious, or ever studied philosophy, is heavily influenced by both, whether they know it, or not. That is why I make the leap to Calvinist doctrine, in our business and politics. The influence is undeniably obvious.
Ali, the 4th Caliph, was reported to have said, "There is no palace without 40,000 slums around it"
Yes he was basically a socialist he ruled nearly 20 countries if you count by this ages map and refused to favor any of them even Jews and Christians had the same wages
He refused to take money or live in a Palace he lived of his home and by his work
@@JafarMoh what the fuck are you talking about, why are you defending an oligarchic caliphate
@@hivestalker because he's not an oligarchic caliphate
poor people chose him and he refused to rule
Then they threatened to kill themselves in front of him if he refused again
For a man who ruled 14 hundred years ago he was pretty conscious about class struggle you can see that in his letter to Malik Al-ashtar
Can you link the letter here?
@@sahilshaikh1734 sure
www.al-islam.org/richest-treasure-imam-ali/imam-ali-s-letter-malik-al-ashtar-richest-treasure
Thank you Professor Wolff for your comments. I have never been a Marxist but I have seen some value in Socialism since the late 1960s. Then in 1974 I converted to the religion of Islam. I can appreciate your talking about religions and economics in general but a person can get a Ph.D. in Islamic Economics. Interest was not just forbidden by the Prophet Muhammad, we Muslims consider the Quran to be a Divine revelation and interest is forbidden in the Quran as well as legislation concerning inheritance, zakat (tax on savings) etc. I know your intention was to just give a brief response to a question you were asked but I strongly suggest you devote some time and effort to the study of Islamic economics.
Government price fixing is haram in Islam:
Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
“The people said: Messenger of Allah , prices have shot up, so fix prices for us. Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Allah is the one Who fixes prices, Who withholds, gives lavishly and provides, and I hope that when I meet Allah, none of you will have any claim on me for an injustice regarding blood or property.”
(Sunan Abi Dawood 3451) Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)
Interest was forbidden by God, not the Prophet Muhammad asw. The Prophet cannot make things forbidden or allow things. Only God.
@@sothisex5877 I am amazed at how assertively you stated your opinion while having so little knowledge of the religion of Islam.
@@sothisex5877 Peace
@@saburabdul-salaam2418 What did I say that makes you think I have so little knowledge of Islam? Did I say something wrong? I just want to know my mistake. "Interest was forbidden by God, not the Prophet Muhammad asw. The Prophet cannot make things forbidden or allow things. Only God."
“All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had . . . there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales . . . and it was distributed to anyone who had need.” -Acts 4:32-35
Note also in ancient societies the interest on loans (including loans of seed/grain) could amount to %30-%50, a HUGE burden on the tenant farmer who had no choice if disaster struck him.
Credit card debt is often 25% to 30%. The UK is full of companies lending to the poorest at far, far higher rates. It's not a problem only of ancient times.
I urge Professor Wolff to read in depth about Islamic Economics. Islam is the only religion that has an economic system. That economic system is built on the collection of zakat or alms which are obligatory (unlike charity). Zakat is the third pillar of the five pillars of Islam. Zakat is paid yearly and is generally 2.5% of left over wealth of every Muslim that was not needed for a whole year. This zakat is paid to the government to spend on infrastructure, schools, policing, defence, preserving the environment, etc. The Islamic government has a source of income mandated by the religion and that what makes it an economic system. That is absent in Christianity and Judaism. Taxes are forbidden. Charging interest is also forbidden as stated in the video. There are different zakat amounts and percentages on livestock, jewelry, real estate, farming, etc. That system sustained the Islamic empire for a 1,000 years until western systems were imposed on the Muslims.
👍👍And yes there are also different types of taxes such as Kharaj and Ushr... U can learn more at 'Economy Dissected' UA-cam channel
There are some interesting ideas in Islamic finance. They've done a lot of work on a financial system which doesn't rely on charging interest (technically) to do things like provide mortgages and stuff. I'm not an expert, bit you should look it up if you're interested!
All of them charge interest but by other names
“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” ― Warren Buffett
@BoulderPM Define "commie" please
@BoulderPM You must be fat as fuck eating up all that Red Scare propaganda
@BoulderPM not reading this entire wall of text, what the fuck do you even want to say with it
@BoulderPM I don't see how living in one of the most reactionary and McCarthyist countries in the world "socially engineers" me to advocate for state violence. If we are talking about state violence, might as well mention how America has literal secret police roaming its streets right now
@BoulderPM What fucking social engineers made me a communist in a REACTIONARY STATE? The politics that constantly shit on socialism just because? The teachers that say that socialism bad, capitalist exploitation good, but never say why? Family members who will always give a one-sided story?
Capitalism is not a human system. it is a for the few capitalists, who become non humans.
I love your words Professor. You give me hope for all of our future. Go Co Ops !
Usury is allowed in Judaism.. and the Google definition changed from any interest to excessive interest. The concept of interest must be abolished if we're ever going to run a surplus and get rid of the debt.
Usury is permitted against borrowers from other faiths.
Getting rid of all interest probably isn't a great idea; it would eliminate any motive for lending other than pure altruism. But sovereigns don't actually have to borrow money, though the ones that fall under the control of bankers always do; they have the power to create money out of thin air, exactly as banks do. That's how Lincoln financed the Civil War, with greenbacks, which weren't backed by anything other than people's willingness to accept them as payment.
@@lawsonj39 All money should be anchored in gold, that's what Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein wanted. I'd have a system whereby you cannot take the gold with you when you leave the country, and we'd still use paper money to represent the gold, but it would be backed up alwayw
Just because it's allowed doesn't make it right.
What the fuck are you implying, antisemite?
JazakAllah Khair!!!!
excellent video. The primary thing i respect about professor wolff is his unapologetic and adament stances.
Having a Liberation Theology would be great for the Left. No need to discount religion outright, just make your own, egalitarian one.
The ego of left is too big
Corruptions will always impede the implementation fair economic business model.
The Caliphate economically is similar to free market socialism and interest is haraam so private property is highly discouraged and hoarding money is also haraam so it would be equally distributed in a Caliphate but Islam does not specify who should have ownership of the means of production so I think that may be flexible
Going heavy on important questions Dr.Wolf
Great video - very informative!
Dr. Wolff: I have been watching many of your videos for a little while now and have come to learn many things about your realm of study and professing. Thank you. If you have a video on the question I am about to ask then please point me in that direction. What is your ideal society? How would it be set up? How would you set up a society if given a blank sheet of paper to start over with?
Socialism
@BoulderPM he supports worker coops try again
Dr. Wolf is just a liar who engages in demagogy, probably to steal money from idiots who pay for his lectures.
He has no idea of ideal world or any idea which could work in the real-world at all.
Although In my opinion, the closest thing to those propositions would be just banning any kind of passive income what could solve all problems and at the same time satisfy both socialist and those pseudo capitalists who are cheering for capitalism but have no clue what is the meaning of capitalism at all.
thank you richard wolff, appreciate your content
3:00 as a teenager this didn't make sense to me and 20 years later this logic of charging interests still seems absurd to me , thx for emphasizing this
We have a triumvirate of individuals that are the enemies of our middle class, Reagan, Friedman and Koch. How do these three work in concert to roll back the progress our middle class achieved in the period following WW2? Dave Schneider, Livonia, Michigan.
Im from morocco and i believe that If we want to build a good life for humains we must base our movements on science an reason .
This was a remarkably respectful discussion of the similar critiques that both religious traditions and socialist traditions share, and what Prof. Wolff states in this video are arguably the best arguments available to combat these ideas that Marxism/socialism and Christianity/Islam/Judaism/Buddhism/etc. are somehow incompatible. If religions exist to help people make moral decisions, then socialism should be considered a precondition for moral decision-making, as the various incentives that exist under capitalism lead people to make unjustifiable and immoral decisions in order to obtain power and wealth. Conversely, socialism would ensure everyone's basic needs are met, thus people could focus on living their best selves, and there would be no incentive to harm others in order to obtain material possessions, thus leading to less amoral/immoral decision-making. Thus, religion and socialism are inherently compatible, and socialists should use this to our advantage rather than pushing for a purely "atheistic state" as the Marxist-Leninists often did in the Eastern Bloc.
Dr. Wolff.. I understand your basic position. Capitalism firms compete with one another in the marketplace. Successful firms become dominant and unsustainable firms go bankrupt. Over time, many small enterprises give way to a fewer number of large enterprises or a single firm (oligopoly & monopoly). This is the logic of capitalism. Ok that’s fine. But enter the worker cooperative. Now, a worker cooperative is structured differently. However, isn’t the competitive logic the same? What stops worker cooperatives from becoming oligopolies?
The egalitarian teachings in religious texts could be categorized as some sort of utopian/primitive communist approach. However, the material condition and productive power in the societies which founded the religions simply can't provide everyone with enough surplus to meet all the needs. What scientific socialism required is the productive power so abundant that could cause a capitalist society to implode as the power of socialized production overwhelms private consumption capacity, which is what we have now.
Religion is not a communist approach it is not a capitalist approach either but rather an attempt to freeze society in the current state snd prevent any form of changes at all.
The basic idea of the religion is that God created this world and this world order and you are not allowed t change anything. Slaves have to stay slaves and masters have to stay masters.
It is the same as the Indian caste system. where everyone has their predefined place on earth and they will sty in that place forever.
All thsoe "communists" commandments are just to stabilize and unify society to make an illusion that rich care about poor because they provide some minuscule charity
A religion in itself is no more than a set of worldview and practices (with some dominant supernatural power) , which reflects the values of a certain human society that founded it, i.e., an ideology. It has both progressive and reactionary elements in accordance to that specific society. The problem is that the reactionary elements of a religion were commonly quoted and perpetuated by the the ruling class to make the population conform to certain rules, in preservation of their own material interest. As for the progressive elements, some early utopian socialist thinkers were actually influenced by the cooperative practices in the monasteries.
@@auferstandenausruinen
Yes, but none of the existing religions have anything to do with communism.
Communism rejects any hierarchy in principle while religion is all about hierarchy. In that aspect religion is more about fascism than communism.
@@deltaxcd What I mean is primitive communism, where the productive power is so low that there is almost no surplus labor to form exploitative social hierarchy, not the communism that transcends capitalism in productivity.
As a former Muslim who is an atheist now.. I can say there are some truths in what professor Wolff said, but… there are also some aspects in Islam and the main religions in the world are racist and support the class divisions in society…!
Regards and appreciation to the professor for his content, I wouldn’t be this educated in socialism and Marxism without him 🙏🏻
How the hell is islam racist?
Well said, all religions are based on ethical and moral rules.
Well done 👍
this video would be great 40 years ago in afghanistan
US : and i took that personally
It's obvious that the price of goods don't express its value & the wages of labors don't express their effort, that's why we have exploitation but eventually things have to change.
Lol no its called fair competition. No one is forced to work for a billionare. But unintelligent people do it anyway. Not the systems fault.
Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
“The people said: Messenger of Allah , prices have shot up, so fix prices for us. Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Allah is the one Who fixes prices, Who withholds, gives lavishly and provides, and I hope that when I meet Allah, none of you will have any claim on me for an injustice regarding blood or property.”
(Sunan Abi Dawood 3451) Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)
In other words government price fixing is prohibited in Islam.
The context behind this hadith must be well understood, even Imam Ibn Taimiyyah had a clear explanation on this.
We must not neglect the principle of Maqasid sharia ( the motive, the purpose ) to achieve justice.
Price fixing is not haram if judging by the situation, it will give justice to the masses.
according to islamic economics principles are 95% differ from capitalisam and 50% equal with socialism..
It is ESSENTIAL, to start speaking about the detailed analysis of the worker coop, operation, from the resource to finished product. What challenges a worker coop will have, how about the democratic choices inside, how it will function in society? For example, when a democratic decision is made it is slow, not always the right one or effective. People might start grouping up to force a majority supported outcome, which is not in the interest of everyone! How would you comment on this?! We got that this is your solution to a Capitalist hierarchical undemocratic structure - democratic transformation of the work place, but democracy is not perfect and even ancient philosophers have criticised it. PLEASE START SPEAKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. The conversation has to go beyond your solution and give a detailed analysis from your perspective of an economist. DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE WORKER COOP! With examples, please! I will post this comment under all of your videos from now on in the hopes that you Mr Wolff will notice and will address this matter, it is very interesting for a vast amount of people who are your followers and watch you regularly! Otherwise it becomes repetitive if you constantly say what the solution is without delving deeper into the worker coop! Thank you!
@@sidesplitter9497 I want his opinion and interpretation of the facts on the matter, IT IS IMPORTANT!
Akhuawat Foundation provides interest free loan as per islamic rules in PAKISTAN
MASHALLAH BROTHER WOLFF
Its about time that you speak louder and louder .
Is the wealth concentration in the hands of the few is anti-HUMAN. how can humanity progress w/o concentrated capital.
or 'material progress' is anti human? since it leads to ecological catastrophes with it it becomes human ones.
money is power; concentration of power is bad => concentration of money is bad.
blind consumerism & planned obsolesence are not progres.
take care.
This seems very basic to me, like as if they haven't thought of, if its even possible to govern whether a product is charged fairly or unfairly. For example, people think iphones should cost cheaper, but who knows how hard those software engineers, design engineers and the gazillions of engineers have worked hard for each version, if you were to add thier hard work into the product, it would cost more. How could you possibly enumerate the value of a product like that? Or lets say watches that cost like £50,000. They are normally handmade with men who have had experience throughout thier life. If you force these men to sell it at lower price than he is worth, then who will be motivated to do any work at all?
thanks a lot
I'm not Christian, Muslim, or Marxist. But, I never believed in Interest & wish it'd be abolished. It always felt like theft to me, even as a kid.
Good explain ,,May Allah blesd you
There are some other points in Islam along with the prohibition of interests. For example, tax is based on wealth,rather then income or consumption. So people with extra wealth pays more. As idle money is taxed, investment is encouraged by default. As for currency, government can't issue money as it wishes because the currency have to be based on real value,like gold and silver. Limited liability company is prohibited, people are liable for what they invested, not more not less. All the financial assets which are not based on real assets are prohibited. People can only sell what they already own, so things like derivative trading are not encouraged. The current capitalist crisis the world is going through is largely because of the same practices Islam prohibits. Just adding a few points. :)
I agree with the idea of taxing wealth but gold and silver as money? that's just stupid. Neither of them has any value, in fact, I would even consider it idolatry as a form of worshiping something that has no real meaning.
But unfortunately, other Islamic ideas practically eliminate all technological progress.
@@deltaxcd lol,you consider gold or silver standard as idol worshiping? you are funny. :.) What is truly stupid is to use valueless paper as currency and letting the bankers decide its value. Just check the rise and fall of world commodity market, despite not having any government backing, it is gold that people buy when the dollar price falls. As for "But unfortunately, other Islamic ideas practically eliminate all technological progress", that is just your opinion.
@@iftikharulhasan7913
Well, that's the whole point that gold and silver are just the same as that worthless paper. The only value those thinks have is that people worship them and are ready to obey you if you give them some of that magic stuff. Bitcoin is just a similar alternative to gold.
Or will you claim that gold has any value for humans? It is just shiny worthless metal which has no use outside of anticorrosion coatings. and this gold worship makes it unreasonably expensive that way rasing the cost of other products. There are other metals like bismuth that are similarly rare as gold but nowhere near so expensive.
as for technological progress that's not just opinion, it is a fact, no Islamic nation ever achieved anything and once states adopted Islam all technological progress called to a halt.
In fact, Islamic faith ever bans any kind of science and research
@@deltaxcd The key word here is 'government backing'... Paper currencies have government backing, gold does not. Still people buy that. Even governments buy and store gold and silver, in case their currency falls, they know gold will be their last resort. That shows gold have value. And it is not just islamic principles that suggest gold or silver as currency,countless articles and books are out there,read them. 😊
@@iftikharulhasan7913
Well, that's even worse because paper money at least has government backing while gold has none if by some reason people just change their mind and decide that gold is worth nothing and there is something better it will be worth nothing. Bitcoin is a perfect example of its volatility.
Nobody protects gold or alternatives from speculation, and market manipulations. unlike paper currencies where the government can actively fight speculators who try to alter currency rate
The fact that someone is buying something does not prove that it has value, people buy snake oil land on the moon and Ponzi scheme stocks that does not make any of those things valuable. well, they are valuable as a means of manipulating idiots but nothing more.
Paper money actually is backed by assets so every dollar in existence corresponds to certain aset
Capitalism gives rise to bankers earning indecent amount of money that is totally out of proportion to their services as compared to other industries.
It is sunna of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) that we are to want for our brothers and sisters as we would want for ourselves.
Prof. Would u pzl explain about the future of US dollar ! Thanks
Communism is prohibited in islam:
“Do they distribute the mercy of your Lord? It is We who have apportioned among them their livelihood in the life of this world and have raised some of them above others in degrees [of rank] that they may make use of one another for service. But the mercy of your Lord is better than whatever they accumulate.” (The Noble Quran 43:32)
Do you understand what communism is and what even this verse is talking about?
To reach god
To reach Allah
Have the wish to reach god
Have the wish to reach Allah
We must have the wish to send our spirit back to god!
للوصول إلى الله ، يجب أن تكون لدينا الرغبة في إعادة روحنا إلى الله
Charity is virtuous and taxation is amoral because charity is voluntary and taxation is mandated. Markets are fair and balanced by supply and demand. If a product is too expensive I am not forced to buy it so sellers try to offer products at lower prices. Labour theory of value tries to explain how things are given value by workers but that’s not how things are valued. Utility is what gives value. Interest paid on loans is the price of the service of lending. How can I afford to give away money without incentive? That’s again just the same as taxation / slavery. Extraction of property / services without payment. Religion plus socialism is just bad economics and bad ethics.
Good man
wow this was random...
but a welcomed randomness.
In Human society that is a triangle of governance(ruler +its military) that team up with wealth holders against the poor. to concentrate more power and wealth. where governance becomes the arm of the wealth (capitalism). the rest are resources for it. even it is painted by democracy.
Even in socialism the first two becomes one entity. called governments and the rest are the poor.
IS the wealth concentration in the hands of few HUMAN
It is mentioned in the Bible, in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.4, Verse No.8, it says - the same reference which Dr. William Campbell used about tempting… ‘The devil took him… that is Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, to an exceedingly high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the earth and its glory. Gospel of Luke Chapter No.4, Verse No.5…‘The devil took him to a high mountain and showed him the glory of all the kingdoms of the world.’ Now, even if you go to the tallest mountain, the highest mountain in the world… that is Mount Everest, and supposingly, you have a very good vision, and can see for thousands of miles together - Yet, you will not be able to see all the kingdoms of the world - Because today we know, the earth is spherical. You will not be able to see the kingdom, of the opposite side of the world. The only way you will be able to see, if the earth was flat. That is the description what the Bible gives…‘The earth is flat.’ Further more, this same description is repeated in the book of Daniel, Chapter No.4, Verse No.10 and 11. It says… ‘In a dream, that the tree grew up into the heaven, and there when the tree grew up into the heaven, it grew up so much, that every one from all the ends of the earth, they could see the tree. This is only possible, if the shape of the earth was flat. If a tree is very long and the shape of the earth was flat it is possible. Today it is a universal fact that the world is spherical - You will never be able to see the tree, however much long it is, from the opposite side of the spherical shape of the earth. Further more if you read, it is mentioned in the 1st Chronicles, Chapter No.16, Verse No.30, that… ‘The earth does not move.’ The same is repeated in the book of Psalms, Chapter No.93, Verse No.1, that… ‘Almighty God has stabilized the earth.’ - That means the earth does not move. And in the New International Version, it says that… ‘God has established and stopped the movement of the earth.
Brother I am Jew 😂 I have nothing to do with that... i just posts reality about christianity... a Hitler religion
you could have given one or two concrete examples. i'm not familiar enough with islamic thought, but in judaism, for example, you could have used the jubilee.
What did Mohammad have to say about whether the person "in need" should have to repay the no-interest loan he received??
If the person receiving the loan and is able to pay it back, then it should be paid back.
Islam The Beautiful Religion
( Be Just )
Quran 5:8
'' O ye who believe! stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the HATRED OF OTHERS TO YOU make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. ''
Quran 4:58
'' Indeed, God commands you to render trusts to whom they are due and when you judge between people to judge with justice. Excellent is that which God instructs you. Indeed, God is ever Hearing and Seeing.''
( God's The Rules Of War )
Quran 2:190
'' Fight in the way of God THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors. ''
Quran 2 :193
'' And fight them on until there is no more oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. ''
Quran 4:90
''.........So if they withdraw from you and cease their hostility and offer you peace, in that case Allah has not granted you permission to fight against them.''
Quran 8:61
''And if they seek peace, then you also seek it, and put your trust in God. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.''
( Stand Up For Justice )
Quran 4 :135O
'' Ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even as against YOURSELVES, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.''
( Who Are The Good Human Beings? )
Quran 177
'' Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in God, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, IN SPITE OF LOVE FOR IT, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives charity; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous. ''
( Freedom To Believe And To Reject )
Quran 2:256
'' Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error ''
Quran 10:99
'' And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then would you compel the people in order that they become believers? ''
( Tolerance For Other Religions )
Quran 109: 1- 6
Say,"O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshipers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshiper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshipers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
( Protection for Idol Worshiper )
Quran 9:6
"And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are people who do not know. "
Quran16:125
“Call people to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good teaching, and argue with them in the most courteous way”
( Friendship With Non Muslims )
Quran 60:8
'' God does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, God loves those who act justly. ''
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,->ANY Protecting Friends < One Of Another )
Quran 9:71
''And the believers, men and women, are > Protecting Friends < one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey God and His messenger. As for these, God will have mercy on them. Lo! God is Mighty, Wise.''
Quran16:97
“To whoever, male or female, does good deeds and has faith, We shall give a good life and reward them according to the best of their actions.
Quran 30:21
“And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquility in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy…”
The Prophet Muhammad said, “Heaven lies under the feet of your mother.”
( Human Are One family )
Quran 49:13
" O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)."
( All The Racist People Will Enter Hellfire )
Quran 30:22
"And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge."
My comment:
The '' BASIC '' message of God to the human is that '' YOU '' believe in God and be kind to other human beings and in the RETURNED God will reward you with a new life in Paradise.
* The Quran ONLY guides you how to become a good human being "Nothing Else".
* You are a good human being or a bad human being that is YOUR choice.
* No one can force you to become a good human being.
* You MUST work HARD to become a good human being.
* Why should ''YOU'' do good deeds and avoid bad deeds?
* Do Good - it's for You. Do Bad - It's against you.
* '' YOUR'' life is a TEST from God that you will choose to do either Good or Bad.
* Find the excuse to help others and forgive others NOT the other way around.
* '' YOUR '' final destination is either Hell or Heaven.
* So work HARD toward choice of YOUR destination.
Quran 17:7
" If you do good, you will do so for your own good. And if you do evil, it will be to your own loss."
Such a bigoted religion.
@kn tlt hating a religion which is bigoted , intolerant,anti secular, fascist is not wrong at all. I don't think any non muslim ,in their right mind wouldn't hate islam .
@kn tlt Islam is the motherload of all bad ideologies- Sam Harris( the most famous atheist in the west)
I would gladly see video about buddhist socialism
Take a look at Micro Lending by Muhemmed Younes of Bangladesh and Grameen bank
I can only speak to christianity ,capitalism and christianity are a contradiction
For the same reasons feudalism and capitalism were in contradiction.
Capitalism and Christianity are partner. One make the people blind while the other makes sure they get fucked!
@@Lavabug what about Christianity and feudalism?
@BoulderPM capitalism has been commandeered to "he with the most toys wins
@BoulderPM laws are not written for the people... they are written and upheld for the entitled elite
Islam emphasized on distribution of wealth
Judas was a capitalist.
its hard to believe this guy is an economist
@@lordkrishnassoldier says the socialist
Capitalists are the most childish individuals out there.. GoVt bad to me. TAKEit AwaY
No . It's the socialists.
So tell me you socialist would you give me/ others interest free loan because you don't like profits.
ରଙ୍ଗିଲା ଟୋକା It’s not about liking and not liking mate
By allowing interests to exist that desperate person who is begging for money would be asking for even more money. That means the rich and poor would be gladly apart. So long as you return the money when I need it then feel free to borrow money!
Jordan B. Peterson's Pet Communist Lobster
You really couldn’t be more wrong. ESPECIALLY when it comes to Abrahamic religions. They are opposed to class as a religion can be. There is nothing in Abrahamic religion that opposes the lack of a state.
For example, they advocate for women to be different yet equal than men. They also encourage donations and welfare to the poor. By doing that as well as implementing other socialist policies then the poor would cease to exist.
Those Abrahamic religions co-exist just fine as proven in the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphate as well as our modern World for the most part. We have a lot of Christians living side by side with Muslims in many places. Jews are hard to find as they are small outside the US. Right now the Levant and Egypt is a mess due to colonialism.
Could you please be more clear how? I’d go as far as religion is actually encouraged but religious fanaticism is WIDELY discouraged.
Jordan B. Peterson's Pet Communist Lobster
Oh I see, your confusing between two VERY different things. Yes religion is used by fundamentalist to create a class based society.
But no religion is not the root cause of that. The root cause of that is someone manipulating a good idea into something totally different.
Russian socialism was broken since the Russian civil war because Lenin manipulated the masses into corrupt socialism. Stalin then took it to a new level.
Is it Marx fault that socialism was bad? Of course not. It is Lenin’s (after the revolution) and Stalin’s fault for committing all these crimes.
It’s the same with religion. There is nothing in religion that talks about class division. Is there anything else “oppressive” in religion?
I disagree. Interest free capitalist halal economy is Islam. Islam is very different from others religion.
A yo, I thought you were going to explain why Muslims are so socialist. I think a part of it has to do with the Quran, but I didn't hear any of that.
Always remember the major religious teachings talk about greed. And being a Capitalist is inherently greedy
Great lecture
Imposing concepts of modernity to Islam or any faith is to try to fit a round hole in a square peg, but it is accurate to point to the ethical, moral, and other practices that could be socialist in character in faith, as Prof Wolff does. In Islam, there are a few. The ruling against interest in Islam, zakat is a command so central that it makes one of the five pillars of the Islamic faith - on par with prayer itself. Zakat is the yearly practice of giving charity as a proportion of one's income and savings. There's others likes the collection of taxes to distribute to the poor and needy. Like throughout the world, there is a long history not of "Islamic socialism" but certainly forms of socialism that are Muslim-ish in character. The centrality of charity, redistribution, fairness, and ethics to Islam have made the translation of Islamic principles to socialism natural. Nice question! However, please note that the term should be "Muslims" not "Islamists". The latter in the Western context now only refers to Muslim fundamentalists (the connotation itself a racist bastardization by the west 🤷)
Fatih Gul There honestly isn’t much difference between Marxism and Islamic Socialism. Some practises in Islamic socialism like Zakat are hard to nationalise because nobody knows how to force them. What if your hiding your money from the public?
Anyways what probably could be done is approach things in a way that could be implemented as alternatives. Our taxes would be of higher value than our Zakat for example. Or perhaps both can be separate things because after all you can’t enforce the Zakat but you can enforce taxes.
Also it depends on your understanding of Islamic Law. My most liberal interpretation of a country that follows Islamic Law is socialist state that puts all religions equal when practising them while granting non-outdated laws to each religion. The society should also follow progressive Abrahamic morals. No law should be discriminated at but only Abrahamic laws should be official.
Fatih Gul Exactly, an Islamic society is effectively a secular, Christian, and Jewish society.
Stuff like Alcohol for example would be heavily regulated (a person could drink as long as he / she intakes a certain amount) and done privately with a supervisor in place.
Non straights can do whatever they want with whoever they consent as long as they have nothing to with anyone.
Same goes to sex outside marriage
Thanks professor.
In short,
It’s cooperative economics.
Very Simple.
lol, no, it's free market Capitalism
I do not doubt that Professor Wolff's heart is in the right place. He doesn't want to criticize Islam as he wants socialism to be a broad church, and religion is not his priority. However, it is simply intellectually dishonest to suggest that Islamic economics is socialist without even acknowledging some of the most obvious objections to the claim. Firstly, Muhammed bought and sold slaves, thus lending his prophetic imprimatur of legitimacy to the practice. He also sanctioned the enslavement of non-Muslims, including female sex slaves, in the course of jihad. Secondly, in Surah 9:28-9, when Muhammed is asked how Mecca will survive financially after Muhammed has expelled the pagans who spent money while worshipping at the Kaaba, 'Allah' responds that the Muslims can attack the Christians and the Jews until they have been forced them to pay the jizya tax. That way, the Christians and Jews will either be coerced into conversion, and thus finance Mecca as *Muslim* pilgrims, or else they remain as dhimmis exploited by the Islamic empire. Either way, the Islamic empire get its finances.
But what about the genuinely egalitarian redistributive aspects of Islamic economics you ask? Well, a sectarian socialism that limits its egalitarianism to Muslims whilst exploiting everyone else, sounds rather like the National Socialism that Hitler tried to create for the Aryans at everyone else's expense. Is that really the kind of socialism that Professor Wolff wants to defend?
Muhammad never sold Slaves dude. This is a lie. You don't even know what youre talking.
@@armandika182 "Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:
A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin 'Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave."
muflihun.com/bukhari/34/351
First fall calm down your hate is showing.
Muslims also buy taxes too it’s called زكاة. Muhammad used freeing salves as form of clearing sins, a thing that can’t thought about in 7 th century Arabia or any place else in matter fact. Not in the other ruls was in the regions before or were in the same time period. read about hammurabi's laws. Egyptians sacrifice. Secondly, doing goods and deeds are the factors of the religion read about it instead listing things like you did. Finally, this only a Hadith that is written after 200 years which is not popular or tought or used in name of taking slaves. It explained as the order where people can choose to do good. However, still freeing slaves is a thing Muhammad did. He freed around 60. The things need to criticize in today’s world is liberty 🗽 and democracy which it seems benefit only small group of the globe population, and leaves other to their faith in name of Darwinism.
@@ashwaqahmed9656 Pointing to the immorality of Muhammed's teachings is not the same as hating all Muslims.
@@MrBeautifulmountain There nothing in Muhammad teachings is immoral. It was a revolutionary actually as said in the 7th century that it thrift a lot of what we know as civilization today. I think there is something going with Europeans who can’t accept that Middle East was and still a place of civilization that even their god is middle eastern 😬
next week do Scientology, then the Manson Family.
SAW not
SALUTE 💪🏿💯👍🏾❤️
That was then when most people didn't know that religions were false. Now we know better, and religions are now most useful as tools for oppression rather than justice.
@BoulderPM you're being silly. Some people want power so they can use it for goodness and well-being. We cant get that through exploitation and oppression!
2:30 You are ignoring the risks of lending money and the inevitable failure for some to pay it back. Interest IS the charity from those who can to ensure those who make loans can in fact cover their risk so they can lend to those who will not pay it back and the system can continue. Without interest no one would ever lend money because there would be no way to recover losses. If it was true that interest is not necessary then why have churches and mosques and whomever not formed their own money lending services that are interest free? Your reductionist nonsense is ridiculous and we can see the racist underpinnings of your position.
Commerce was in the beginning criticized and admonished by Christ when he drove the Capitalist out of His temple. Islam upheld exploitation and inequality with it's dhimmi tax. Richard Wolfe, who I started out loving, is losing traction with me very fast with his endless praise and apologetics of Marx and Islam. Marxism would be better if Marx had not rejected God (and if the Vatican and Moscow Patriarchate had not corrupted Christianity), but then it would have just been called Christianity.
What about slavery?
@37 different arabic qurans yeah that's my point, not exactly very socialist.
There’s is some slaves owned by
People and there’s is slaves owned by the state who work in the government
Slaves can ask for his freedom if he wants to get his freedom
And get payment by the government
For once and find work
@@HelloTher1313 slaves got paid by their master
Gets food and shelter
So it’s not different from
Modern 8 to 5 worker
So long as you keep your religion to yourself and don't enforce it upon anyone I don't mind what you believe, but as of my stance on economics I'm a Social Liberal.
@BoulderPM I'm an Athiest, and I believe the Government should be Secular the way it was founded to be in the Constitution.
@BoulderPM I don't understand what you mean, and I believe I've explained my position well enough already.
@BoulderPM No, I don't understand what you mean because it's none existant with what you're saying.
As a scholar of theology I agree with you. Very well said professor, fundamentally all religions are the same and from the same source. The basic teaching of every religion is very beautiful where all people are equal. We all have to join forces together and become brothers once again. #ahmadiyya
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Religion will never be the fountain of brotherhood between humans. Religion will mantain us always divided/confronted. By the way that seems the work of aliens for mantain us divided (the same way that babel tower curse) I don't know to what are awaiting the aliens for conquer us as we are so perfectly divided
@BoulderPM No
@BoulderPM How do you think capitalism works? Through the force of capital. Do you think capital is clean? Do you think that the dough (miney) isn't amassed with blood and tears? If you don't know it you are an idiot
@BoulderPM Those who kill a killer are withouth a sin. So as capitalism only thrives with imperialism and war and plunder methods (look the usa and his ways) any alternative although imposed by force is clean, because capitalism only works by force and domination
@BoulderPM Well in reallity i love some parts of religion. I'm also a religious person, in the sense that i believe in morals and in the karma law. But yes you are truth. I also believe in socialism and secularism plus separation between religion and the state. Sorry if have been rude to you 🤷♂️🙋♂️👋👋
This is way oversimplified! The devil lies in the detail.
Ok rabbi
@kn tlt read "The advantages for the Church by banning interest on loans." from Marx's Capital vol III, this is how they amassed their wealth at the expense of peasants. They never stopped renting out property from borrowers held as securities. Marx condemned religious socialism as reactionary and he was correct, let's not fall into liberal idealist notions of what role religion plays in society.
@kn tlt For example if you want to buy a house. You want mortgage gratis? And if the inflation is 3%, you need 3% interest to just break even. But if you still have to ask why then you need to learn a lot, and I am not your teacher.
@BoulderPM So basically, as usual, the problem with any kind of leftist ideology is that it is "emotional", yes? This is the trope? If you're being as responsible as possible all that means is to some degree you are factoring in that we are HUMAN BEINGS, not robots, not conscious chess pieces or statistics. Wouldn't you be stupid NOT to take that into consideration? This is how we end up with a full-blown sociopath running the country being applauded for his heartlessness, because you people have sunken into believing that any kind of empathetic capacity whatsoever is automatically weakness. But hey, anger is completely acceptable and encouraged of course, because that's not an emotion, right? I mean if I've totally got you pegged wrong, then feel free to elaborate on what the fuck you're talking about.
@kn tlt I surely would not want to be your teacher, you really should inform yourself. You could start here
ua-cam.com/video/iFDe5kUUyT0/v-deo.html
but there is a lot more to it!
Sup
Islam has nothing to do with socialism.. The tax in Islam is 2 percentage for everyone it is called zakat Islam say the harder you work the more you get it is a fair system everyone gets what he or she earns,Islam says some people are rich some people are poor that is what GUD wanted and it is fair there is nothing call equality in nature,Islam gives people equal opportunity but not the equal of out come Islam respects privat ownership and wealth.
My God calm down he simply explains how some 'socialists ethics' are also common in Islam or Christianity simply because it's fairer
- sincerely
A fellow Muslim
Is it realistic to have a financial system that uses loans without interest ! Not many institutions will lend money ! It is true also that the GFC in 2008 was caused by the logic between credit and interest rate !
When you put your money in a bank it stores your money and earns interests on your money. If the bank (this hypothetical private one) has more money stored than it is giving in loans, it will have an income. So my argument is that by storing your money, YOU are giving the bank YOUR services, since they can gain on having this money stored. So by that logic you shouldn't pay interest for borrowing, but the bank should pay you some interest for storing your money (which they used to do but now don't). (:
With all due respect, Dr. Wolf is completely and entirely off the mark on the question. "Islam overlapping Socialism" is at best, an absurd comment. I am pretty sure most people would consider that is a not-so-funny joke.
Again, with all due respect, I think Dr. Wolf needs to seriously educate himself on the matter of Islam (or maybe religions as a whole) before standing up and making such an unsubstantiated verdict.
I am starting to notice that Dr. Wolf is just engaging in demagogy most of the time to push his agenda at any cost but he has no touch with reality at all.
@@deltaxcd It is very sad to see this kind of commentary from someone like him. It is dubious at best and it is a disgrace.
Let's hope that he realizes that.
Except in Islam a women’s inheritance is equal to a third of a man’s inheritance and a women’s testimony is equal to half a man’s testimony, and a woman needs a direct male relative’s permission in order to work.
Like all religions, Islam promotes economic equality for MEN while simultaneously pushing down women and enforcing ridiculous restrictions on their autonomy.
You do know you are picking and choosing extreme examples to support your bias yes?
@@GhulamMustafa11111 extreme examples? These examples are from the Quran itself? So are you indirectly agreeing that the Quran is reactionary like the rest of the Abrahamic religions then?
@@lampshadethisforshadowthat1050 You are trying to make a case that God discriminates against women. You cite inheritance. If you had done your research you would know that is just 1 case out of so many other scenarios, many of which favour women. It is not black and white. It is not about equality. It is more about equity. Your baseless allegations can easily be disproven by 1 example, to save time. God says mother has 3 times more right than father. A mother in our religion is a women (idk about western societies). Hence God puts women 3 times over men, in this scenario.
You have failed to demonstrate your case. I invite you to actually look into Islam with sincerity. Only then can you know the Truth. Salam.
@@GhulamMustafa11111 then why didn’t god create men and women on the same level then? Surly, an all knowing and all powerful god wouldn’t deliberately make half of the human race suffer less rights than the other half? The problem of evil shows itself again.
Also, you cite ‘and then you will know the truth’. Really? Because I’ve had Shia, Sunni, Catholics, Judaists, Protestants, Evangelicals, and Mormons tell the same exact thing, while all being equally convinced that only they know the truth. It is ludicrous to believe the words of someone who is thoroughly convinced without tangible evidence besides their own brand of book telling me that they only know the truth to everything. A more logical explanation is that they have already been so indoctrinated by peer pressure from a society that has been indoctrinated by the same peer pressure for generations, that convincing them to think critically would require them to accept that they might be believing thing only because they were told to believe it.
Like what Socrates said, in order to seek knowledge, you have to be fully willing to accept that everything you know as truth, may in fact, be not true.
@@lampshadethisforshadowthat1050 And now you're just being insincere.
I have broken your narrative that God oppresses women by only showing you 1 example, i.e Mothers (women in our religion) have 3 times the rights of Fathers (Men in our religion).
And this was just one example to back up my claim that you using extreme scenarios to build your narrative is either ignorance or deception.
Now if you were sincere, you would admit holes in your narrative and promise to actually do your reearch. Instead here you are with all these tangents.
Look brother, my duty here is done. Your premise doesn't hold. Now I invite you to Islam. To submit your will to your Creator. What you choose to do after now is upon you.
Have a good day.
in Islam it is prohibited to make profit more than 20% and people should give 5th of the profit to the poor.
Leftists have an opportunity to get religion out of the hands of reactionaries. The likes of pope francis have been sympathetic to socialist policies and I have been able to convince Christians to become socialist. Yes we may have some differences but we can talk about those differences when the workplace and our institutions become more democratised.
So apple and Mercedes should sell their products cheaper.
Gold should be cheaper too.
???
KingMJAH he said products should not be sold way more expensive than they cost to produce.
Dear Prof , Richards ; With a great respect to your answer about that subject of Islamic tradition , your view is not appropriate to the matter , especially when it comes to financial issue such as Tax and Interest , I am a traditional Muslim . but never believed and practiced it , due to it's unfairness and brutality in every thing , I am just explaining their Islamic Banking system , how they mislead and playing with words and phrases in order to pull someone's leg , here is an example, I want to buy a car from the questioner (( Walid )) and we agreed on $ 14,000 US dollar , So I need a loan . and you and every one knows how the banks lend the money , application , then investigation to my financial history , my employment & social status , Why ?! all to make sure of my repayment , of course with interest , etce , in the end approved and advised of my payments of $ 20,000 in total after say five years , so the loan cost me extra 6000 dollar or let say the cost me 20 ,000 dollar to own it . In Islamic banking its same process ,the differences are in just changing the word interest to profit , you might ask how ?!! ,their response is , ok we sell you this car for 20.000 USA dollar and their whole contract and paper work dose not mentioning any word link or close to interest , in other way asking the Muslim buyer ,We ( Islamic Bank ) buy the car and resell it to you by such a price as means of trade or profit . so We ( Islamic Bank ) helping you that God can not punish you for accepting illicit (( Haram Money )) which's interest money , How funny and practical way to fool every naive Muslims.
Your a troll shut up!!
Islam get a real bad rep for issues like slavery. But I only came to understand what “slave” once I understood wage slavery.
So Muslims don't own business?
If they're so ethical about not being charged interest on money, then why put a mark-up goods and services?
Why not just sell them at cost price?
Why even work for an organization at all, in the business of generating profit?!
You do understand that this is a Christian nation? We have no intention of implementing the teachings of Jesus. Are you kidding? Care about people? Yuck!
Jesus would not do that. The corporate party does that in his name.
Prof. Wolff is way too diplomatic here. The first question we should ask when we consider religion, is about truth. Do gods exist? Are holy scriptures dictated from above? Is there a hell? Feuerbach, Marx, Russell and Dawkins have provided some crushing arguments against religion. Religion quite simply is not true, and this sort of consiliatory rhetoric should therefore stop. There is nothing that religion does that good secular ideology does not do better.
@@fatihgul613 I disagree. It is more respektful to be honest and confrontational that to be overly ingratiating. All marxist should care deeply about what they believe to be true, and be honest about it.
@@fatihgul613 Is religion true? I think not. If progressive people don't believe religion to be true, then they should be open about it. Beliefs in superstitions serve the powerful, not the working class.
@BoulderPM So you think I am uncritical of the state? That does not follow from what I wrote.
@BoulderPM In everyday life I advocate govt controll over myself at least as much as over other. It is good practice that I pay taxes. It is good practice that I obay laws, traffic regulations and anti-epidemic advice. That does not mean that I worship the state. Does a mandatory seat belt rule imply that the state is a god? I don't think so.
@@fatihgul613 If you are that subjective, then that would imply that any religion is as good as any other religion. It seems to me that the core of the religious world view becomes rather hollow then.